KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 24 Aug, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 24 Aug, 2025

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Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorney's Zulu A Lee. I am attorneys Zulu A.
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This week, like every week, we'll be discussing critical legal
and social justice issues that are impacting our communities. This week,

(17:31):
our subject is going to be on Of course, we're
going to do another Trump situation, so to speak, and
so yeah, so basically we're going to talk a little
bit about his takeover of the law enforcement functions in Washington,

(17:51):
d C. So, approximately about two weeks ago, Donald Trump
and members of his cabinet announced the takeover of law
enforcement functions is in Washington, d C. Using three tools.
One is the deployment of elements of the DC National Guard,
the invocation of a statutory emergency power to requisition the services,

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and the surge of federal law enforcement to the city streets,
including Department of Homeland Security, Federal Beer of Investigation, and
other federal agents.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And so.

Speaker 16 (18:27):
Obviously they are there's issues with him implementing this rule
or this regulation based upon what is called the Passe
Comatatus Act, which is an eighteen seventy eight federal law

(18:47):
and basically the Act was passing eighteen seventy eight following
the end of Reconstruction to prevent the military from being
used to enforce discriminatory laws or interfere with civilian government
in the South. And so basically the core principles of
it is it reinforces the idea that the military should
not act as a police force, a core concept and

(19:10):
American governance that separates military power from civilian law enforcement.
And so also what is interesting about his recent desire
to interfere with local government as well as state government's
right to enforce its own laws and use its on

(19:33):
law enforcement, He is suggesting that he may he may
actually start deploying military into other states, including Los Angeles
and in other places. So basically what you got is

(19:54):
the federal government coming during the local law enforcement, which
I believe basically goes into what ultimately I think that
people were saying what happened, but people were, you know,
not believing that. Basically, he has this fascist ideology of
basically becoming a dictator, and you know that is is critical.

(20:18):
So now you're going to go into two states and
cities across the country to bring in the National Guard
as well as federal law enforcement based upon his idea
that local law enforcement is not, you know, dealing with
crime the way that they should, right And I think

(20:40):
they probably it's money. Joe said, it's money. Obviously that
has a lot to do with it. But you know,
if he wants to reduce I mean, I don't see
how you got somebody with thirty some odd felonies that's
interested in trying to reduce crime when he, in fact
is in fact a convicted criminal. And I think they basically,

(21:01):
if you want to begin by trying to do something
about making sure that law enforcement is going to take
care of criminals and enforce laws, then they should begin
by him. And maybe they should sentence him and allow
him to serve time in prison the way he was
supposed to. What you think about that one, absolutely, you know,

(21:25):
and that's where that's where it all starts. I mean,
you know, I mean, you can't say enough about this guy.
And I know that people it's almost like, you know,
you could talk about this every week when we could
have a show on Donald Trump every week. I mean
that's you know, he's pretty much the centerspiece, the centerpiece
of you know, everything that's happening right now. And I

(21:49):
mean it's getting just you know, unbelievable. How you see
all of this things that you would think that you
would never see, you know, in this country, the things
that people said that they're fearful of. And here you who,
you got this guy going out and nobody's really paying
attention to what to that, to what he's doing right now.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, it's it's it's I mean, it's crazy. Man.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
Like I was gonna ask if you felt like, in general,
like this this term that he's serving, it feels like
a revenge term from like just like backlash of like
the last the last term and how it ended and
you know, him getting voted out because it feels like,
you know, the first time he was in office, he
did a lot of wild things, but it feels mild

(22:35):
in comparison to like what's going on right now. You know,
like right now he's really doing things where it's like
there's no checks and balances. It feels like, you know,
and he's kind of just doing whatever he wants. And
I don't know, man, you know he's talking about like
doing the same thing he's doing in DC right now,
he said in LA but also in like Chicago and

(22:58):
the thing that I think is it's making the most
sense to me, is like he's creating problems to fix
them and then said they're saying that he fixed them
when they're problems that he created.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know.

Speaker 12 (23:09):
That's then the wildest thing because so many, you know,
so much of crime comes from lack of resources, lack
of money, lack of after school programs, lack of food,
lack of all these things. And since he's been in office,
he's basically made plans to take those things away from people,
which of course will increase the crime. And then he'll

(23:29):
have all these people here in these cities, you know,
trying to help the crime, and he can take credit for.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
It, right you know.

Speaker 16 (23:35):
So yeah, I mean that's just Joe says, convicted felons
want to be safe walking down the street.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 16 (23:41):
I guess, So, I guess so. But I mean, I mean,
you think about first, I mean, he goes after the
you know, the schools and the academic and taking certain
things out of schools, specifically anything that has to do
with DEI so to speak, whatever you know what you
mean by so e're racing you know, obviously the real

(24:03):
history of this country, because some of it when you
talk about d I, I mean, I don't know. I
think that might be a misnomber of what he's What
he's doing is he's using his fascist objective basically disguised
as DEI. So when you begin, because these things aren't

(24:26):
necessarily has anything to do with di I, it's basically
American history. So basically what he wants to do is
a race American history and take significant figures in our
history out of the schools. And now we see what
he's doing when it comes to because basically what we're
seeing with the ICE and the way that it's enforcing

(24:51):
you know, immigration laws is obviously not pursuant to the Constitution.
The Constitution doesn't really exist anymore. The right to be
able to approach someone and without probable cause, take them
into custody, deport them without due process. I mean, all

(25:11):
those things, you know are basically fascist type of you know,
functions that he's that he's conducting. So you know, I
say that you didn't say nothing. They came after somebody else.
You didn't say nothing. Now they're coming after you. Now
Here you have all these individuals who were having their
their rights violated as immigrants are alleged immigrants of this

(25:32):
country are illegal immigrants, because I don't think it matters
whether illegal or not. But then we saw what was happening,
we didn't say anything, we didn't do anything, and we
didn't really want to speak up when it came to
those immigrants. Everybody said, this is not their fight. So
now they've the same agencies that are being utilized to

(25:53):
violate the rights of people who are alleged to be
illegal immigrants in this country are now going to be
used to do the same thing against regular citizens of
this country. So they're going to deploy military forces in
these cities, and they're probably going to be predominantly black cities.

(26:15):
And he's going to use military force to basically reduce crime. Now,
how is he going to do that. He's going to
do it the same way he did with immigration. You're
going Now, look, this is the problem with using National
Guard and using UH military forces is that they are

(26:36):
not trained to deal with uh you know, domestic civilians,
nor are they trained in understanding the rights of civilians.
So there's not going to be this concern about whether
they're violating your rights. It's basically they're going to be
dealing with you like enemy combatants. Your training. And I

(26:58):
know this firsthand because I was trained, you know, as
a marine. I was a infantry man. I was in
a military of marine security forces. You're not trained how
to deal with domestic situations. You're trained to deal with
enemy combatants. So they have no idea when they stop
someone or when they're sent to a particular area, they're

(27:18):
going to treat you like the way that they're trained
as an enemy combatant, you know, as opposed to I mean,
these aren't riots, but the fact that you have a
high crime, allegedly a high crime level, that's it begins
with what you begin your office with, and that's getting
rid of DEI. It begins in the schools. I think

(27:41):
we spend all this money, we don't understand. That's the
problem with this country. We don't understand. Well, maybe some
people do understand. Maybe that's the issue. But I believe
that if you if the way it begins, it begins
with our schools, right. I mean that's we put more
money in prisons than we do in schools, and that's

(28:04):
where it begins. We spend more money for law enforcement
and correction officials than we do for teachers. And people
who are you know, deal with our youth. So it
makes you know, it's clear that that's what the real
issues are really in this country. And basically he just
you know, and then he you know, there is money

(28:25):
behind all this.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Sure you think he makes the national go out where
body cams.

Speaker 16 (28:33):
That would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I doubt it.

Speaker 16 (28:35):
But they're probably going to be going in these places
and obviously doing what I believe are things that they
shouldn't be doing and violating people's rights. And now we're
going to be hollering out, you know, our rights are
being violated. But it began, it was it began when
they were dealing with these you know, just snatching up
immigrants or people that look like immigrants that ultimately deporting

(28:59):
citizens in some instances.

Speaker 12 (29:01):
Yeah, you know, exactly like you said, like our community
is always the ones who are going to be affected
by things the most. Unfortunately, because in very coded language,
he is very much trying to take to task black
historical things that make you know, white supremacy look like

(29:25):
the beast that it is. You know, like he's talking
about trying to take slavery out of museums, and why
are we talking about slavery let's talk about the positive things.
Let's not to talk about the negatives, right, And you know,
like once again, black communities always take the brunt of
these situations, and like you know, black and brown people specifically.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So yeah, man, I'm expecting a lot of.

Speaker 12 (29:49):
Negative things in regards to that situation because I feel
like things are not going to be discussed in the
media the way they're opposed to. He's already getting on
TV and saying like all these you know, they're they're.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Feeling with crime.

Speaker 12 (30:02):
He seems to feel with crime, and it's like disgusting
and you know, just riding with crime. And it's like
people are saying like I don't feel you know, I
don't feel like I'm in dangerous areas, Like what are
you talking about? But it's as propaganda that things have
to be fixed and things are not going well. And
once again, it's coded language for who he's trying to
talk about and who he's trying to target.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Man, So I don't know, man, it's unfortunate.

Speaker 16 (30:26):
And I mean, and I don't know if we and
again we don't really understand what this guy is doing
and we're not really paying attention. I mean, for example,
like before when we were talking about the issue with
immigration on this on this show, and we were suggesting that,

(30:46):
you know, you know, we were, you know, going to
speak out on the issue, or we should speak out
on the issue. I think there was a consensus about that,
and we were heavily criticized, and much of that criticism was,
you know, cloaked in the fact that you know, it's

(31:07):
not our fight. You know, we need to just deal
with black issues and not worry about what's going on
with the immigrants, because they really don't really come out
and speak on our behalf when things are happening to us.
So the idea was, you know that we should speak
out because you know, it's a human issue and that

(31:29):
it's important for us to speak out. And I think
somebody on the panel that could think it was you
that made the point that basically, you know, if you don't,
then ultimately they're coming for you. And now what we're
seeing is exactly what has happened. They are actually coming
for I mean, what do you think he's putting National
Guard on the ground and federal agents to reduce crime.

(31:53):
I mean, you know, that's clear indication of what they're
getting ready to you know, violate peopeople's rights. I mean,
how can the first of all violate the law because
it's literally against the law for federal government to use
military to carry out civilian laws. Absolutely, And now what

(32:14):
they're going to do. The next thing you're going to
do is they're going to go completely take away due
process and may even even if they're going to take
people and arrest them and send them across the border
without them being able to go to immigration court and
make an argument about some sort of relief that they
may be entitled to, whether it's cancelation or removal or
whether it's asylum. What makes you think that they're not

(32:38):
going to basically start arresting people and sending them directly
to prisons, because then he's going to say, well, I
don't want to keep you in county jails now, We're
going to take you to you know, federal prisons now
and hold you in federal prisons. Right, And so that's

(32:59):
what we're going to see next. And we're just not
We're not. And then another thing is before the end
of his term, he's gonna be We're gonna be in
a war somewhere. Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna make
a move to suggest that while we're in war, he
cannot be removed as a president of the United States,
that elections should be suspended. And what you're gonna do nothing?

(33:23):
You know what I mean, Ain't nobody gonna do anything.
And I think that we're, you know, just we have
to start getting ready for it, because I think we
see that coming, you know for sure. So it's crazy, man.

Speaker 12 (33:36):
What do you think it would take for his followers,
his supporters to push back on this, unlike the idea
of bringing the military onto just like civilian land and
like dealing with like just everyday citizens. Do you think
it would take something within our community? Do you think
they see humanity there? You think it would take something

(33:56):
like maybe like a higher profile accident in somebody important.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
To you know, get a situation. What do you think
would it take At this point.

Speaker 16 (34:04):
Whatever it's gonna take, it's going to be too late.
I think that I think they're going to have to
basically see the end result before they really understand what's happening.
I mean, because you have people who aren't really interested

(34:24):
in I mean, there's so many people that are that's
so frustrated with the way in which our country is going,
that they would just as soon see the country destroyed
than to see things going the way that they were.

(34:46):
They would rather see the country destroyed than to see
an equal and just society, because you know, the idea
of an equal just just in society means meant different
things to different people. And I think that there are
individual was in this country that legitimately one hundred percent
believe that America is an America for certain people, and

(35:10):
that the way America was made, it was not made
for everybody. In their minds, America was created for Europeans,
white people specifically, and that is what America was for.
That is what that's that's the essence of America that
basically they feel that it was made that way, and

(35:32):
everybody else basically is just, you know, are collateral damage.
In other words, you know, you you might be able
to get a little piece of it, but ultimately the
final analysis, that's what this world is about.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Now.

Speaker 16 (35:48):
If it becomes a world that's equal and just for everybody,
regardless of where they're from, regardless of what they look like,
then that's not the America that they envisioned, because that's
not the America that the founder's envision, the Founder's envision
a America for white people, specifically excluding black people. That

(36:11):
was what the founding fathers wanted, and there are individuals
that co sign that now to the extent that America
no longer exists, they are cool with that. They would
rather America not. In other words, I would America. I'm
willing to put it all on the line and not
have America exist if it has to exist in an

(36:32):
Obama America. Right, That's the way that they feel. And
it's just there's nothing you can do and nothing that
you can say to make the hardcore followers to believe that.
That's why he said I could get I could walk
in the middle of Fifth Avenue and take out a
gun and shoot somebody in the street, and I would
still have people to support me, because he really has

(36:55):
the pulls on what they really believe that they don't
care who it is that takes them. They don't care
who it is that takes them to the end that
they're looking for. They don't matter who it is, you know,
as long as I'm in a position of what I
consider to be the essence of what America is supposed

(37:17):
to be then I'm willing to I'm willing to do that.
And I think that we don't understand that. I think
that you know, we aren't. You know, our minds can't
comprehend that sort of diabolical thinking because it's just not
there's no reason in rationale, right, So you can't you

(37:39):
can't understand those people, you know what I mean? I
mean it kind of you know, it kind of is
you know what it is, whether you know, I mean,
I don't know if they got that way through conditioning
or whether they're just got that way just because it's

(38:01):
of their nature. I mean, I have And when I
say their nature, I'm saying that specific individuals. Now, I'm
not suggesting that everybody who's white is co signing the
idea of a you know, of of an America that

(38:22):
cannot be just and fair for nobody else except white people.
I'm not suggesting that. But I am suggesting that there
is a there are people that are of European descent
in this country that ultimately that basically feels that way.
It's not something that I'm I'm making up. It's just

(38:43):
that it's it's a historical fact that there are individuals
such as people who are part of white supremacist groups
in the Ku Klux Klan, et cetera, who basically have
that ideology. They're violent, They've been violent, They've known to
to do violent acts upon people of color from the

(39:04):
from everything from threats to actual physical harm to death.
You know, they are criminals. And there are individuals who
support that idea, right and so you know they exist,
and so you know, we're not making anything up. So

(39:25):
how are you going to convince someone who's willing to
go out and you know, snatch somebody Like right now,
if someone knows they can go, they could go to
certain places and snatch people up and hang them and
do what they did before. There's people that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
With that, sure.

Speaker 16 (39:42):
I mean, even if it was done in the public
and it was on television, there's people that exist today
that would not care about that. And I would almost
argue that of his followers, there are a large faction
of individuals who.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Would be cool with that.

Speaker 16 (40:00):
If he came out today and say I'm bringing back
public hangings and I'm bringing back Jim Crow, there's people
who would still support him. I mean, you know, it's
just a reality. You know what I mean and so,
and that's and that's kind of the you know, that's

(40:24):
the problem, man, I mean, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Now.

Speaker 16 (40:26):
This is now there's another faction of Trump supporters who
are just disgruntled, and they're disgruntled based upon other factors
that are not necessarily related to to race basically. But

(40:52):
there are people who are upset about issues regarding to
sexual orientation. There are people who are upset about the
LGBTQ issue. There are people who are upset about the
abortion issue. There are people who are upset about some

(41:19):
of the other issues as it relates to where our
country are headed from what they believe the extreme liberal
faction of the Democratic Party. And the only way they
feel that they can counter the extreme liberal faction of
the Democratic Party is someone who's extreme, like like Donald Trump.

(41:43):
They believe that that is as much they think that's
a threat to the American way of life. And those
oftentimes are evangelicals and people who are so called the religious,
some moderate and some extreme, but they feel like that,
you know, uh, we have a moral dilemma in this

(42:07):
country and it's such and it's so bad that they
hate the Democratic Party. Yeah, they hate the Democratic Party.
They hate, you know, they just think that we're just
you know, terrible in the way that we're gone, Like, look,
what's happening to our children? You know that there's and
then that crosses color lines and so that so there's

(42:30):
a cultural war in America, and it was a huge
cultural war about where we're headed as a society. Just
like if a guy says, look, my daughter's in school,
I'm not going to have my daughter playing basketball with
a dude because he's now transgender. You know, I'm not
going to have no you know, situations where you know,

(42:53):
we have this thing with toxic masculinity now, you know.
And so that's a huge issue with a lot of people,
including the African Americans and Mexican Americans and other individuals.
They have a huge issue with those with those issues,
and they feel that Trump is the answer. It's not
like they're not even really focused on what this dude

(43:17):
is really doing. All they're focused on is what they're
upset about.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, and you know what, that's disappointed.

Speaker 12 (43:23):
I think those people are the most disappointed and the
most dangerous, right because it's like, if you're a white
supremacist and like, you know, that's your your biggest issue
on your focus is just the advancement of whiteness and
keeping it.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
You know, yeah, right, Look, your agenda is your agenda.
I know where you stand.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
But with those people that are sort of like so
and there's no other word to use but selfish that
they have this thing that they're so hard against that
they're willing to side with more evil things to get
their point across. And it's like almost almost like a
Kamakazi like mission where it's like they'll be okay if

(44:05):
the LGBTQ I a law that they don't you know,
they want to get passed, gets passed, even if it
affects like their financial and you're like, okay, I can
live with that paying more if this happens. It's like
I don't understand, Like it's those people are a little
bit more disturbing because it's like I don't know where

(44:27):
you stand.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I don't know where you're gonna align with.

Speaker 12 (44:30):
You know, I don't know if you're on my team
or if you're not with the white supremacist I know
where you start, I know what team you're on. But
like those people that are started in the middle, and
there's like this this issue here this issue here where
they're back and forth and they're willing to do extreme
things to get their point across, like those people are.
And honestly, the people that those are the people that
swung this this election, you know, those people that were

(44:50):
in the middle, that had these very stern, you know,
issues and ideologies about certain things, and then when those
things didn't get served. Now that he's in office, it's like, oh,
what happened? Like I thought we were going to get
these things. It's like, no, like specifically specifically with like
the Latino community, they're seeing firsthand right now.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
All the things that he's saying was this. You know,
we're up in there.

Speaker 16 (45:15):
You know, so yeah, I mean it was yeah. I mean,
it's it's it's a it's a you know, And I
tell you there is you know, a legitimate And when
I say legitimate, yeah, I think there's there are some
legitimate concerns that looking objectively, that I can see that
people can, uh can can kind of be disgruntled about

(45:40):
as it relates to some of the values that we're
seeing in you know, with what's going on with our children,
you know, what's going on with some of the values.
I can I get it, but I mean clearly it's not.
And I think that that was one of the things
with the Vice president when she was our former vice president,

(46:05):
when she was running for president, I think that she
did not tap into understanding that that was really really
an issue. I mean, I know, I'm not going to
say her, I'm going to say those who were responsible
for running their campaign, they kind of overlooked it or
underestimated the moderate vote, and that there were a lot

(46:26):
of people, like for example, when she showed different people
from different cultures, specifically as it relates to the LGBTQ community,
and see, that's the thing about the LGBTQ community that
is is an issue. The thing is that the LGBTQ community,

(46:49):
it's not we at like it's new, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean that is not new.

Speaker 16 (46:54):
That's something that has you know, I mean, that's that's
not new. I mean that's that's that's as old as
old can be. That you have people who have sexual
orientation preferences, which we knew forever. I knew that when
I was a kid. I was born in the sixties.
That's not a new thing. I think that the difference

(47:15):
is the way it's perceived today.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Right.

Speaker 16 (47:21):
So in other words, you know, it is one of
those things where it's people both people on both sides
make more of it than they should in my opinion.
You know, one end, those people make too much of
it who are against it, you know what I mean.
I mean, I was the type of person who I

(47:43):
remember I was always had a side eye at people
who were consumed with it. I thought that was pretty odd, you.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 16 (47:52):
It's like I didn't wake up in the morning thinking
about that, nor did I go to bed at night.
But there's people who are consumed with it, and I
always thought, man, come on, that's kind of weird to me,
you know what I mean, that you're being you know,
it's almost like you know that you.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Know, you might be like.

Speaker 16 (48:08):
Disguise yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Right.

Speaker 16 (48:10):
Then on the other hand, you have on the other
side the issue about you know, the idea of you know,
children the sexual or you know, like the things that
they're doing in school or having a guy playing with
a girl in school. I think that that it's your
choice after you turn eighteen. But some of the things

(48:31):
that they were doing with some of the kids I
thought were a little bit over bored, and I think
that probably there's people within that community that probably felt
the same way too, you know what I mean. I
think that sometimes we demonize the entire community, but it's
not like the entire community, because there's people that have
different sexual orientations that are Republicans. So, you know, but

(48:54):
it's an issue now, it's a huge issue, and people
talked about it so much that we've made it an
issue when problem it shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
And so the point that.

Speaker 16 (49:05):
I'm trying to make when it comes to that issue
is that people have some of it is fabricated. I
think some of it is like it's not really as
serious as we really think it is. And you know,
we just live in a society now where you know,

(49:27):
they're you know, it doesn't matter you people aren't as
upset at the sexual orientation as they are that there
are a lot of people who are not you know,
that are not allegedly gay, that are that are wearing
things that aren't that aren't masculine, and people have a
problem with that. Listen, I'm just calling it as it is.

(49:48):
You know, the whole idea of the tough guy is
going away, that's it, and people have a problem like
the man is the man. The woman is a woman.
This is the value system. And men are you know,
aren't you know, out there doing what man do and
blah blah blah blah blah blah. I mean that's kind
of where it's that and that's a huge issue with people.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
It really is.

Speaker 16 (50:08):
I mean, if you have a have sit down and
have a talk with a lot of people who are upset,
that is almost kind of like a common denominator of
people who are upset and it and it fuels their
political decisions, which makes absolutely no sense to me. It's like, yeah,
that makes no sense. It's like, Okay, I feel this way,

(50:30):
and you see what's happening. You see what's happening to
our little boys. They're doing this and they got blah
blah blah. And you see how the girls are acting
and you know out for Trump. You see what I mean,
people feel that way. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (50:45):
Yeah, people are very when it comes down to it.
On a daily basis, people are trying to survive and
they're trying to survive as comfortably as possible. It's about
people's comfort, what you're okay with, and if you're talking
to like specifically older people, you know, maybe my mom's age,
they just want more traditional things, you know, just the

(51:05):
progressiveness of the world and the opening up of just
possibilities of the world some things, you know, technology wise,
they like it. You know, it's easier to shop some
certain by certain things, but there's some aspects of it
that are very challenging for them. And there are some
people who are willing to go to extremes to try
and maintain that. Yeah, and that's unfortunate, but you know,

(51:29):
it's a world that you know, as time goes on,
you know, our youth are the world they're going to
have to live in, you know, And I think that
it's important that we lay agroundwork where everybody can be comfortable,
we can take on new ideas, and we're civil in
the way that we handle those new.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Lifries, you know.

Speaker 12 (51:48):
And that's the biggest issue, Like if there's a new
is there something we want to talk about, we should
be able to talk about it and find some type
of middle ground or certain safe spaces where these things
can go on. And if you want to enjoy these things,
you can go to place and I have to not
have to worry about certain levels of criticism, you know,
that's what we need, and right now it feels like
there's a threat.

Speaker 16 (52:09):
To all of that, you know, and that's got people
different people obviously are addressing a different I think that
some people who are connected and critical thinking people aren't
going to allow that to get, you know, to interfere
with the bigger picture of really what's going on as
it relates to Donald Trump. I mean, there's not going

(52:30):
to be a society to even worry about if he can,
if we continue on this path, and I think I
don't believe that people truly understand that. Slowly, in my opinion,
and this is what I foresee in the future. And
this is one of the things that I've always been
concerned about, and I've said it, I'll probably said every show,

(52:53):
is that people, eventually the country is going to line
up against us. And that's that's what I see. I
think that we have entered a time where we're clearly
on the wrong side of history. Right during the time
period when you know, there was a on a on

(53:16):
a global scale, when we at some point in time
was entering that idea, when we were fighting the Cold
War and fighting against communism and Dick dictatorship, and we
believed in a democracy, we believed in free speech, we
believed in these certain ideals that were admired by.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
The entire world.

Speaker 16 (53:40):
I think that the entire world doesn't see us that
way anymore. Obviously, with a president like this who is
doing things that are that you know, are clearly not
consistent with a democracy and not considered not consistent with
a free and democratic society. The world is seeing that,

(54:03):
and we've seen what's happened to almost every country who
basically stood on the principles of dictatorship. And basically that's
what we're doing. We have these principles that we're seeing.
For example, who in their rabbit right mind would think
that it's okay to send the national guard in to

(54:25):
help reduce crime and can't see what the consequences of
things like that are. Who cannot see that basically? I
mean cool, if you have an issue with illegal immigration,
I don't have no problem with that. But the problem
is is that you're ignorant and you don't really understand
how it really works, and what happens is, yeah, there's

(54:45):
a way to do that. So in other words, when
you come to the attention of the immigration officials, that
you're out of status, or that you're not here, that
you're here illegally. There is a process by which you're
given notice and an opportunity to be heard, and you
go through this process. If in the final analysis, you

(55:09):
know you you know, you do not prevail, then you
can be removed. It's not like people aren't being deported.
People have always been deported. People sneaking across the border
to come into this country. You know, that's always been
an issue, but it's also been it's disingenuous for us
to believe that our country did not benefit from it,

(55:31):
and we benefited from it from both our labor and
business wise, not to mention that you have a president
who basically is a is a is a child of
an immigrant, and every one of his wives are immigrants.
His children were our children of immigrants. So based upon

(55:52):
I mean, so they need to go somewhere, you see
what I'm saying. So it's it's just hypocrisy, and it's
just unintelligent. And you know, how do you who are
we talking to right now?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Man?

Speaker 16 (56:08):
Are we talking are we preaching to the choir? Or
are we in any way making individuals who are not
getting it? Making them truly understand that, you know, we're
going in the wrong direction, and you know, we need
to really start paying attention and doing as much as

(56:28):
we can, whether it's in these mid term elections and
local elections, to try to get people into office that
are going to really look out for our best interest.
You know, That's what I'm hoping would happen with someone
who is listening to this. You know, I understand that
we live in a society and none of us are

(56:48):
always going to see eye to eye on critical issues. However,
I think there's always a way to address that the problem.
You know, I think that as a society, and a
democrat society, there's a way to make sure that the
government and the best way possible is representative, representing what

(57:10):
all of its citizens, what's in the best interest of
all the citizens. And maybe what is in the best
interest of all the citizens is not going to make
all of us necessarily happy, but at least we realize
that we have a government that's trying to make everything
fair and equal and just for everybody, which is an
extremely difficult thing to do, but it's a process. And

(57:33):
then when you decide to take a hard stance and
believe that I'm going to take this position and I'm
going to be a ruler, not for the masses and
not for the not for the both the masses as
well as those who don't who are don't have an
adequate voice. Then when you begin to start, you know,

(57:55):
moving that way, then I believe you're moving away from
a democracy, and becomes dangerous because now you know the
it's the citizens that make up the nation, not the rulers.
You know what I mean. So in other words, if
I was someone who wanted to if I was China,
I would roll out the carpet for the disenfranchised, right

(58:20):
and if I rolled out for the carpet, you want
your forty acres and a mule, Come on over here.
I got your forty acres and a mule, and you know,
and basically turn this country because that's what we did.
I mean, we were the masters at creating the coups.
We would go in through our intelligence agencies and our operatives,

(58:41):
and we would find out to find the disenfranchised, we
would arm them, and then we would we would encourage
them to take over the government. And now you know
what I mean, So they have to be careful, man,
they don't have to worry about the immigrants. There's gonna
be people in this country that's probably going to be
other Why is going to be willing to do that

(59:01):
if you start bringing in military troops to start policing
up people.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, man, that's a wild thought, that's even a possibility.

Speaker 16 (59:10):
But you're right, that's crazy because that's really when you
go to another country. That's really how they get down.
They're they're they're they're. The military and the police are
basically the same. That is one common thing that you
would find in these fascist dictatorships is that the military

(59:32):
controls everything, you know what I mean so much. So
the irony is is that when you give the military
that type of domestic power, then military leaders generally are
the ones that overthrow the government. Like think about all
the ones who ended up being that way, like Ed.
I mean, all these dudes were military. Who was the

(59:56):
guy that they went after in Lebanon? You know what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I didn't need somebody the name slips.

Speaker 16 (01:00:02):
I see his face right right now. Man, But he
was a military Uh general, wasn't