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I'm Rob Bartier, the governor of Utah, says Charlie Kirk's
assassination suspect is deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Republican Spencer
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Speaker 18 (12:40):
Hit Thank you for tuning in for this additional Justice
Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali. I am Attorney Zulu Ali
with a Justice Watch crew Roseen Dunya as, Michael Blaud Clark,
Doctor Kilbasher, Andrew Rodeman, and Ryan Rhodes. This week, like
every week, we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice
issue that are impacting our communities. This week, we will
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be discussing the murder of Charlie Kirk and the most
recent Supreme Court case regarding racial profiling. Supposedly it came
out of the out of a case with ice contact
any rate Charlie. Right, So, Charlie is one of those things.
Speaker 19 (13:30):
Let me ask you this question, can you speak ill
of the dead?
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yes?
Speaker 19 (13:34):
Can you speak ill of the dead?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 18 (13:37):
So this is a situation, uh with with Charlie Kirk.
As you all know that Charlie Kirk was a I
guess what do you call it, as a media influencer
or something like that.
Speaker 15 (13:53):
He had a podcast, so yeah, I guess a media influencer.
Speaker 19 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (13:57):
So, and he uh basically had made over the years
extremely controversial statements as it related to African Americans, other minorities, LGBTQ,
gun rights, all kinds of things. I mean, he was
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really on the cuffs of so many different controversial issues.
Speaker 19 (14:22):
So just to be fair.
Speaker 18 (14:27):
In the situation, I never, honestly, I didn't know who
he was until this happened.
Speaker 19 (14:33):
Really had heard of him.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
I heard of him?
Speaker 19 (14:35):
Yeah, what about you? I actually had never heard of Charlie.
Have you heard of him?
Speaker 10 (14:40):
Jill?
Speaker 18 (14:42):
So I never knew who he was. However, after this incident. Uh,
and that being unless let me go back, So he's
actually doing for those who I'm sure everybody's heard. He
is a given a speech on the campus of he's
in Utah like that, so a university in Utah. He's
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given his speech during the or talk, I guess I
should say during the talk. Uh, there was a moment
where he was being asked a question as it related
related to gun rights and transgender during that conversation, during
while he was answering it, he was shot actually in
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the in the neck. And uh, of course it's probably
in light of where he was shot and how he
was shot, I think he probably died or passed away
right there on the scene he was taken uh to Uh,
I think by a security team to a medical facility
where I think he was immediately pronounced dad. He lost
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a whole lot of blood after the incident. Then, you know,
there was a pouring out of from individuals for some
individuals that were deeply, you know, deeply bothered and obviously
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you know, expressed their condolences and about how terrible it
was that this individual was subjected to being murdered. I
think his children were at the location, his wife and children.
I don't know if they were watching, but I believe
that they were at least in the vicinity, and rightfully so.
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People were expressing their condolences, which is clearly not really
an issue now. I don't have no problem with people
expressing their condolences to the family and saying it's a
tragedy that a man has got shot and murdered.
Speaker 19 (16:53):
Fair enough, that's terrible.
Speaker 18 (16:56):
Now, throughout this process, I first I'm like, oh, you know,
this dude I'd never heard of. I was actually seeing
it on Facebook and seeing it on social.
Speaker 19 (17:06):
Media people telling me about it.
Speaker 18 (17:10):
Then all of a sudden, I start seeing some other posts,
and a lot of it had to do with you know,
a lot of the posts were individuals that were showing.
Speaker 19 (17:22):
Like clips of where he's talking excuse me, listen, thank you.
Speaker 18 (17:31):
Clips are where he's talking about various very controversial issues,
things that he said, things that he wrote, and you know,
I can say that for me to set up here
and say that they were extremely not offensive would be
a lie. He said some extremely offensive things. He was
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did not seem to be an extremely empathetic person. In fact,
I think he made a statement about empathy.
Speaker 19 (18:03):
Ironically.
Speaker 18 (18:05):
Now there's a couple of things there, you know, let's
unpack really what's happening.
Speaker 19 (18:11):
In this situation.
Speaker 18 (18:13):
The first thing is the fact that it is a
tragedy when a human being is murdered, for sure, absolutely tragedy.
Speaker 19 (18:23):
I'll begin there.
Speaker 18 (18:24):
There's nothing I'm not gonna sit up here and say
that I'm happy that he was assassinated, because I think
that that is a tragedy, which is not the subject.
Speaker 19 (18:35):
Really, it's not going to be.
Speaker 18 (18:36):
We're going to talk a little bit about why it
happened and what I believed happened as far as you
know him, you know, being murdered like that, But I'm
also going to talk about the I think that really
what's at stake in this conversation is you know, I
see a lot of hypocrisy from the right and conservative
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is when it comes to first of all, you know,
blaming the left and black folks, you know, shut HBCUs
being threatened and shut down and being upset and blaming
you know, you know, the left for it right, which
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makes no sense where you know, you know, there's never
any there was not even any empathy for those gods
for those Capitol police on January the sixth, when they
invaded the capitol, you know, where individuals were hurt.
Speaker 19 (19:37):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 18 (19:40):
Know what's going on, where individuals, you know, were assaulted
and hurt, people were charged with I mean, this is
these are people who.
Speaker 19 (19:48):
Were you know, these were real heroes.
Speaker 18 (19:53):
That were trying to protect the capital against these individuals
who went to the Capitol and we're you know, basically mob,
a mob, that's what they were. These were terrorists right.
In fact, six within six months after the incident, at
least four or five of those Capitol police officers committed suicide.
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And a lot of it could be you know, it's
said to it could have been attributed to what they
experienced during this incident. Nobody said anything about that I mean,
did they fly the flag at half mass after that incident?
And if they did, did they fly it for the
terrorist or did they fly it for the people who
were trying to protect you know, the government or protect
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the people. You know, we don't know that, but there
is a lot of hypocrisy. But I think, you know,
I thought a whole lot about how to address this subject, right,
and there's many different ways to address the subject.
Speaker 19 (20:56):
But I think that I mean, and plus some of
the things.
Speaker 18 (21:00):
He said, like I'd have to look at a black
if I was flying a plane and there was a
black pilot, I would have to say, is he qualified
because of the color of their skin?
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Right?
Speaker 18 (21:12):
And you know, very very the thing about black women,
are they really you know, intelligent or you know the
intelligence of black people?
Speaker 19 (21:21):
And d EI and you.
Speaker 18 (21:23):
Know, affirmative action and you know, some really very ignorant
things that he was talking about. So the problem, I mean,
I thought, you know what, I'm going to go in there, man,
and you know, let me, let me give it to them,
and and I might, you know, I'm sure you guys
might set me off. But until then, what I want
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to say, and what I think is the real issue,
honestly is I think that my personal opinion is that
I think that those who harbor that type of hatred
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against people are mentally ill. I think that we would
be doing a disservice to giving them enough power to
suggest that it's privileged. Yeah, it's not privileged, because most
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of these individuals, honestly aren't privileged.
Speaker 19 (22:34):
They are pawns. They are pawns.
Speaker 18 (22:38):
That most of these individuals that harbor these types of
feelings aren't really you know, or aren't really the elite
or powerful in this country, right, They are basically really
just pawns. I think that, you know, President Lyndon B.
Johnson said it, which was a verified to say that
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as long as you can make the lowest white man
believe he's better than the highest black man, you can
keep his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 19 (23:07):
All day long.
Speaker 18 (23:09):
Same way when Donald Trump talked about how stupid Republicans
were right correct. So I think that they're pawns and
all of these things that they're doing is the fact
that they realize that they aren't very methodical, and I
do believe that there is a significant degree of sickness.
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I think that somebody the things I will say this
and it could be controversial.
Speaker 19 (23:35):
You could believe what you want to.
Speaker 18 (23:37):
But someone that would say, when I get on a
plane and I see a black man that's a polot,
the first thing that comes to my mind is whether
he's qualified. Is a sick human being. They're not privileged,
they're not special. You're not hurting my feelings, right, you're
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not hurting my feelings. I'm not going to go home
and cry. I'm not going to do any of that.
I'm going to go.
Speaker 19 (24:03):
Home and pray for you because you're sick.
Speaker 18 (24:06):
These are sick people, and I think that we give
them power when we get on there and start trying
to say you're privileged and you're this, and you're not
none of that stuff. You're just a sick human being, right.
And I think that the reason why someone like like
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Charlie Kirk does things like that and people like that
is because there isn't an ingrained degree of inferiority. When
Charlie Kirk made those statements to people, he made those
people feel good. He made those people feel like the
fact that I'm not able to do something, the fact
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that I'm not able although I'm in a society that
is basically at its very fabric based upon the oppression
of certain people. I'm not able to be successful, right,
And since I'm not able to be successful, then I'm
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gonna blame somebody else.
Speaker 19 (25:14):
You see what I mean?
Speaker 18 (25:15):
Like, come on, dude, you can't be You literally are
preaching to people who have nothing else to do but
to say that the world in America's messed up because
certain people have certain advantages. You cannot make me, you
know what I mean. If you're beneath me and you
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can't do anything, I promise you I ain't thinking about
you there. So he was so popular because they were
consumed with his rhetoric. What type of satisfaction would you
get from a person saying that black people are not intelligent?
Speaker 19 (25:56):
If that's true, why would it bother you? It wouldn't
bother you. Think about that. Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 18 (26:04):
So the reality of it is is that some of
the reaction. I understand that a lot of it is emotional,
but logically, I think we have to set back and
you know, realize that these individuals are suffering from a
significant degree of sickness and a significant degree of self
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worth and inferiority. If you're setting somewhere in this country
and you aren't successful, right, and you just happened to
be not African American or another minority, and you literally
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are going to get up and say, the reason why
I'm not able to be success full and things are
messed up in this country is because lazy black people.
Speaker 19 (27:06):
Right.
Speaker 18 (27:08):
Really, that's what we're doing, you see what I'm saying.
So I think that sometimes we got to change. I
think the narrative is an emotional narrative and people haven't
come to terms with understanding. And that's the hardest thing
to do. Man, that's hard for me to understand that.
You know, my grandfather used to say, and his name
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was A. D Reynolds, he used to say, fish swim
and ducks quack.
Speaker 19 (27:36):
I used to say, Grandad, why do they do that? Granddaddy?
Speaker 18 (27:39):
Why do they do that? And you say fish swim
and ducks quack? And I'm like, what does that mean?
And finally I realized, fish swim and ducks quack. Correct,
that's just kind of what they do, right. And I
think that as we're looking at it and we're trying
to unpack this thing and kind of dealing with the
I mean, I can come in here, and I can
blast them, and I can talk about how terrible he is,
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and I can talk about, you know, the people who
support him, and I can spew that kind of hate,
and I can go in and I could really go
in on him right now about you know, how terrible
you know, the things that he said. But then I
have to sit back and I gotta think, why are
you worried about that? You know, first of all, you're
saying all these things and people are listening to you, right,
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and if it was true, right, why would it bother you?
Speaker 19 (28:33):
Why would that bother you?
Speaker 18 (28:34):
Has has any lazy person that happens to be white
that doesn't go to work? That's not intelligent? Have you
ever had that conversation? You see what I'm saying that
that's the conversation that people like. You know, you know,
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he's telling the truth. And I've seen someone say, well,
you know, black people are lazy, they don't work, and
because no black person is working, and that they got.
You know, I even seen one was talking. He was
talking about he got a cell phone.
Speaker 19 (29:10):
He said, how can.
Speaker 18 (29:10):
You not working? How sneak two hundred dollars? Sneakers are
not working? How cell phones, and there's literally this woman says,
tell me where he's wrong.
Speaker 19 (29:22):
I'm like, work, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's
very awkward.
Speaker 18 (29:27):
Now let me say, let me tell you this if
you're upset at that, but you're not upset with someone
saying what they said about Barack Obama's wife about being
a man and being a monkey, right, and in fact
put memes about him being a monkey. But the same
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people that would degrade his wife ain't got nothing to
do with it. She's an innocent, she's a civilian, she's
an innocent bystander. But then you're gonna say that about
her his you think about that? How diabolical can you
be to condemn and do the things that you They
said some god awful things about Barack Obama and his wife, right,
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But then you're mad about people talking about this, uh,
Charlie Kirk, not to mention Nancy Pelosi who got attacked
in her home, you know, and her husband got injured.
Then you went off. You see what I'm saying Now?
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For me, it's like, am I mad at him?
Speaker 10 (30:35):
No?
Speaker 19 (30:36):
But it's just like you're just sick. That's just a sickness.
Speaker 18 (30:43):
He says, is there any Is there an argument for
removing DEI for positions like doctor in an emergency room?
Speaker 19 (30:52):
Oh, is there an argument for that? I mean, I
don't think they have DEI in emergency room.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 19 (31:01):
Well I can, I can, I can go back this.
Let's unpack DEI.
Speaker 18 (31:07):
So I think that sometimes there's a there's a confusion
about what DEI really means diversity, diversity, equity, and inclusion.
I think that the reason why that that there's diversity,
equity and inclusion is the same way that we have,
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for example, a system of certain states in this country
that have more representatives than another state. For example, when
the representatives in the state of California, there's way more
electoral electoral college votes in the state of California than
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there is in another state. It's been that way today,
it's always been that way. So it's almost like make
the argument that that's unfair and unconstitutional because every state,
even Utah, should have every state should have the same number, right,
you know what I mean? But they don't, right, because
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if you just went by just voting by the numbers
of individuals, right, and there was no electoral college, some
states would have a bigger, say so in national elections
than others. Right, So they're limiting the numbers that you
could have because they realized that a state like California
could base a state like Utah wouldn't get no representation,
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you know what I mean. So that's the reason why
they have electoral colleges. So it's not like, for example,
it's a matter of qualification. It's a matter of basically
to make sure that there's equal representation.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Now, let's just.
Speaker 18 (32:54):
Say, for example, there are let's just say there's one
hundred applicants for a position, and out of those one
hundred applicants, right, it says that you have to and
you have to have a an MD degree, you have
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to pass the medical exam boards, and you have to
be qualified to be a doctor.
Speaker 19 (33:26):
Right.
Speaker 18 (33:26):
That means, in other words, you have to have the
degree to be you have to have the degree, you
have to have the licensing. So if you think about
that situation, then the question would be, now, how do
you make a decision as to who's qualified and who's
not qualified? If we all have the same degree, have
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same degrees, same admissions, then how do you make that
determination as to who's going to be qualified.
Speaker 19 (33:56):
For the job, and who's not going to be qualified
for the job.
Speaker 18 (33:59):
The fact that everybody is qualified. Then what you're going
to do is you're going to say that in certain
cases that diversity, equity and inclusion would benefit you know,
as it's an educational two to make sure that there's
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proper representation. It's not about qualification, it's about representation, you
see what I mean? And I think that sometimes they
don't understand that issue the same way with HBCUs. I mean,
you know, white students get into hbc USED. People would
be shocked how many white people go to HBCUs historically
black colleges and universities, and they basically earmark certain numbers
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of white students to get into hbc USED. In fact,
there's been controversy about white students going to HBCUs, right,
So you know it really is is a the same way. Well,
you know, like for example, in federal jobs, in certain
jobs where we try to find people who speak Spanish, well,
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there's a reason why you need somebody to speak Spanish.
So it's kind of like I think that they kind
of like in their mindset and they've believing that DEI
means that you hire somebody based upon their color, and
they're not and they's not qualified, and that's not what
the In fact, the people who benefited the most for
(35:30):
DEI are white women. You see what I'm saying. Those
have been the bigger Like if you go into you'd
be shocked how many white women are in positions like
for example, go go look at your judges, you know
what I mean? The same way with the Supreme Court judges. Right,
they've tried to say that even some of the female
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Supreme Court justices are deis.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
You know, they're qualified.
Speaker 18 (35:55):
They basically, you know, are graduates of.
Speaker 19 (36:00):
Of law schools.
Speaker 18 (36:02):
Right, They've been admitted to the bars and and and
probably got more better experience than whatever. So DEI, the
idea of people getting positions based up on you know,
favoritism is not something that is you know, is the
subject of DEI. That's a problem period. Right, But at
(36:26):
any rate, that's enough for my introduction. So you know,
I could go on and on and on and on,
but anyway, I.
Speaker 19 (36:35):
Want to start. Who wants to start? Who wants to
go in on? Charlie Man first, don't be scared, look
look for me.
Speaker 15 (36:49):
I'll start by saying this, I think anybody having to
watch a loved one be killed on video is a
very tragic thing. I think we can all agree on that.
A kid having to watch their father be killed, I
don't want to. I don't want anybody to experience that.
And I'm not going to celebrate or dance on his grave.
(37:09):
But I'm also not going more in somebody that probably
would have spit on mind. That's how I feel, and
I honestly feel like what it comes down to is
when you build an entire career lifestyle community on just
spewing hatred and evil and divisiveness, when you build your
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entire platform on that, and you know, you use that
to kind of help win elections, like he was a
major player in as far as like youth movements in
this last election. And when you're doing that and you
create this just hateful energy and you're divisive towards people,
and your people are being affected by the things that
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you're saying, real lives are being affected by that. You
have to take whatever comes with that right, And the
honest to God truth is that means death. You know,
Like when you bring hatred towards somebody else, there might
be somebody that's like, Okay, you hate me, Well I
hate you too, and I'm gonna show you how much
I hate you. And that's just the reality you have
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to take. What comes with that, and what came with
that for Charlie was unfortunately death. And once again, I'm
not going to celebrate his death.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
I'm not cheering on anything.
Speaker 15 (38:29):
But if you were a terrible person when you were alive,
I have the right to say you're a tarrit person
in death. I think that you don't get redeemed in
death just because you die tragically, you know. So I
don't have empathy for him. I really don't have empathy
for his wife. I've seen a lot of people say
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his wife. I have empathy for his wife. I don't,
because his wife chose to marry a person who was
skewing those things, and she chose to bury and love
evil every day. She chose that. I have empathy for
his kids. I have empathy for kids I won't grow
up with a father, and I have kids who I
have empathy for kids who will, well, they were going
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to probably more than likely be pushed the same things
that he was preaching, honestly, but I don't think that
kids should be like pushed evil on either. So I
do have empathy for them. I don't have empathy for
his supporters, cause I've seen a lot of them. One
of the things that's most like disturbing for me in
this week is people using religion, specifically Christianity, as a
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shield for racism. And that's been very disheartening. You know,
people like, oh, I don't care what you believe. He
was a man of God. That man of God thought
that I was inferior to him. Correct, That man of
God thought that gay people should be stoned. He thought
that they should bring back public executions and have kids
to the front rows of those executions. He thought all
of those things. And you know me personally, I don't
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think we serve the same god. If you believe those things,
I don't want to be in the same places, you know,
serving the same God.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
That that's just how you're moving.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
So once again, not gonna dance on his grave, not
gonna celebrate him being gone, but his death it's just
a result of the way he lived his life.
Speaker 20 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know, basically the same thing. Basically the
same thing with exactly what you were saying in terms
of not celebrating death. But this is ingrained in American history,
you know, violence, and so when we see something like this,
I don't think it should be much of a surprise
(40:39):
to any of us because this is just the country
that we were living. But also going back to what
you were saying, you know, you know, it's not about
celebrating death or you know, because there's innocent parties involved in,
like you said, the children and stuff like that, and
so a lot of times the children actually grew up
spearing the same thing that their pearance. But when you
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look at it, I reflect back on Malcolm when he
made that statement. They got him expelled, the chicken coming
home to roots, And that's that reality right now. Whether
or not it be something of physical nature that he
didn't do, but his words within themselves basically elicited hurt
and pain out of people, and the things that he
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spoke about made people react a certain way, made people
do certain things. He mighty didn't do it itself, but
his words alone was enough to cause harm to people.
And so with that, I mean, like you say, it's
not a celebration or anything of his death, but I
mean he knew the job was dangerous with the minute
he spoke, you know, words about of his mouth about
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different individuals, is about different subject matters.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
He was. He's the one that was a stunt supporter.
Speaker 20 (41:50):
Of the Second Amendment, right, talking about there should be
more guns on the street in the hands of the citizens.
And in fact, during the time he was asked a
question about mass shootings and he asked a question, I
believe somebody asked a question, what do you think about
mad shootings or something?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
He said, taken in account gang gang.
Speaker 20 (42:08):
Shootings as well, And that's when his life got in
speaking on the subject of matter that he was so
strongly about, what's guns, And then it happened, you know,
And like I say, it's you know for us to
be surprised, you know, but I will say this, this
was no doubt assassination. This was no doubt bigger than
(42:28):
what we can ever my belief that it's you know,
we look at it and think, okay, if somebody did,
but look where he was at. He was in the
widest place that you can ever be at making a subject.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
He wasn't like a U at C or U C
l A, you know. I mean, so come.
Speaker 18 (42:47):
On, I mean I think that when you when you
look at you know, people and people you can I
can disagree with someone, you know what I mean. I
think that there's a way of of doing that. I'm
gonna give you a great example. Then when they talked
John McCain. When someone said something that was not proper
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about John McCain, I mean about Barack Obama, John McCain says,
you know, he's not He's a good American who I
just happened to have fundamental disagreements with. Right, he's a Republican.
I got respect for him, right I do. I mean,
that's a respectful thing to say. He has just a
(43:36):
different difference of opinion, you know. And then when he
when someone tries to talk about John McCain, then you
have a president who discribed who basically says that he says,
my heroes don't get captured. Who John McCain knowing John McCain.
John McCain was in the Navy, He was a Navy pilot.
(43:58):
He got shot down, and he was a prisoner of
war and he went through hell. Right, I would never
in a million years, no matter what I think about Republicans,
would ever say anything negative about that man's service. And
if a Democrat would have said something about it, they
would have called it. If a Republican would have said
something about it, they would have called it. The President
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said that, and everybody's cool with it now. John McCain
was a hell of a much more of a it
was a real patriot.
Speaker 19 (44:27):
This Charlie Kirk was not at all, you see what
I'm saying at all.
Speaker 18 (44:33):
So you know this isn't really they made it a
race thing. He made it a race thing. You see
what I'm saying, You know what I mean. So you
know that that's where That's where I'm going with That's
where I'm saying that these people who happened to be
that whatever it is they got going on over there,
(44:55):
you know what I mean, That's that's a problem, you
know what I mean. You know, there's there's you know,
it's fine to think have issues about the economy, issue
about national security, issues about you know, many different things
that could be conservative or liberal.
Speaker 19 (45:11):
That's fine. Right. You may have your stance.
Speaker 18 (45:15):
And what you believe about people who are of the
LGBTQ community, but.
Speaker 19 (45:21):
You have no right trying to.
Speaker 18 (45:24):
Diminish them, right and who they are as human beings.
And you know, if you have an issue with that's fine,
pray for them if you're a Christian if you think
something's wrong with it. But to do but to go
out and hurt somebody, or harm somebody, or say you
should do something to them and just batter them is wrong.
It's just absolutely wrong, no matter who you are, right,
(45:49):
And so you know, that's that's where you realize that
these people are sick, and you know, God bless them,
but you know, and and it's a terrible thing to
realize that people like that.
Speaker 19 (46:00):
That's just hatred and who would.
Speaker 18 (46:04):
Have a man of God ain't gonna have that type
of hatred in his heart, you know what I mean? Now,
the next thing, why did it happen? Okay, I'm with you. You
know it was much deeper. I don't want to be
a conspiracy theorist, but it was much deeper than this
(46:24):
kid that decided that he wanted to drive five hundred
miles to get on top of a building and take
a rifle and shoot somebody in the neck from two
hundred yards.
Speaker 19 (46:36):
So this is what I think.
Speaker 18 (46:39):
I think that you know, you heard me say this
during the presidency, during the you know when.
Speaker 19 (46:48):
What's his name?
Speaker 18 (46:49):
Our president was running for president. When he was running
for president, I said, look, I said, there's some things
that are more important than you.
Speaker 19 (47:00):
There's things that are more important than him. Right.
Speaker 18 (47:05):
I think that the people that he's speaking to are
not people who are decision makers, are people who are
really in power. He's speaking to people who have no power.
That's his base. His base aren't really the powerful people,
because the powerful people aren't concerned with whether you have
(47:27):
a cell phone or whether you have two hundred dollars
sneakers sneakers, That's not really what they're concerned about. They
are concerned about our national security. I think that the
division within our country where we are now puts us
in a situation where we're extremely vulnerable. And I think
that there are people who at the highest levels of
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government and even including our intelligence communities, that understand that
we are in a situation where they're going to have
to pipe that down and no matter what happens, right,
whether it's John F. Kennedy or whoever it is, everybody
can be touched. And if they think that based upon
(48:16):
what we're seeing with regards to what's happening in this country,
I think that there are people who are concerned. I
think that they're going to get rid of this element
because this element is hurting our government so bad that
something needs to happen.
Speaker 19 (48:36):
Now, he gets on top of this roof two hundred yards.
Speaker 18 (48:40):
Away, gets in the prone position, and shoots two hundred
yards and hits someone. I mean, the logistics, the location
isn't something that just a you know, some kid just
decided overnight to do.
Speaker 19 (48:53):
For what for one hundred percent?
Speaker 18 (48:55):
Sure it was planned, Yes, so you're gonna tell me
he he knew what building to get on, he knew
where he was going to be, He knew all of this,
and you know that's that takes some planning, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 19 (49:12):
I don't care.
Speaker 18 (49:12):
Maybe he was shooting, you know, I know he they
said that, Well, you know he's from Utah.
Speaker 19 (49:16):
They do deer hunting in Utah.
Speaker 15 (49:18):
Yeah, I have to say, and skill because like to
be able to be that accurate from that far, like
you've been doing this for a while. I'm not saying
he wasn't hunting, but that was impressive.
Speaker 10 (49:28):
Honestly.
Speaker 19 (49:28):
Yeah, I mean he's a patsy in my opinion. That's
just what I think.
Speaker 18 (49:32):
I think that that you know, I do believe. I
think that that even honestly, I think that that Trump
is in danger, and I don't think that he's in
danger by some crazy left wing nut.
Speaker 19 (49:47):
I think that.
Speaker 18 (49:48):
There are individuals that are high at the highest level
of government that will take him out. I believe that, Yeah,
I really believe that. And I think that basically, you know,
when it comes to his decisions about certain things, if
(50:10):
there are people who believe that he's getting ready to
divide this country in a way in which there's going
to be a civil war, I think that there's people
that will take him out for that. And I'm not
talking about a civilian. I'm literally talking about the government.
They're not gonna let that happen, you know what I mean.
And I think that that's what people have to understand.
(50:30):
These little people, these miga people, They're not powerful people,
you know what I mean. These are just actually just
everyday people who are disgruntled, right, and half of them
don't even really know much about government. They have a
personal acts to grin. They're mad because you know, whether
(50:50):
it's about their job, whether it's about they feel like,
you know, they're threatened, you know what I mean. You know,
they're feeling anxiety. They don't know that they're seeing things
are changing, you know, they're but they're not powerful people.
They're not powerful people aren't walking around with maga hats.
Speaker 19 (51:12):
On, you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 18 (51:16):
And and people who are empowered that are following him
are only doing it long enough to benefit them. If
if if they feel like that he's no longer benefiting him,
they'll drop him like a hot potato. So I mean,
that's really what you what you're what you know, really
what's going on? So I think that again, I think
that we're giving those individuals way more power than they deserve.
(51:40):
And I think that we had to sit back and
look and figure out, you know, who would take their
time I understand. And then a lot of it they're
preaching it from pulpits mm hmm.
Speaker 15 (51:51):
You know, let me just step in real quick. I'm
there's a report coming out. Trump was speaking at a
golf clubs talking to his audience, and he's said, smart
people don't like me. Really yeah, So based off what
you just said, you know, like basically like saying, like,
what do you think of your supporters?
Speaker 10 (52:10):
Are you a follower? Smart people don't like me? You know, so.
Speaker 19 (52:15):
He knows.
Speaker 18 (52:16):
I mean yeah, I mean, come on, think about it.
I mean, you're you're like, I'm disgruntled, I'm unhappy, and
he's telling me that my dissatisfaction with my life is
not because of me. It's because of someone else, and
it happens to be black people, or when black people
(52:36):
get up and you know, like for example, you know,
black people can say this, or black people can say that,
or black people, you know are killing each other in
the hood, or black people, you know don't want to work,
or black people don't want to do X, Y and z.
I mean, you know, I mean, you know who has
time for that? So if a black person doesn't want
(52:58):
to work, then you're disgruntled, you know what I mean?
I mean you know what I mean. I mean, there's
nothing to what you're just grown on about. I mean,
how was that in any way? You know you're going
to sleep. It's just like people who are overly obsessed
with homosexuality. That's weird to me. I don't go to
(53:18):
sleep thinking about nobody's sexual orientation. I've never woke up
thinking about someone's sexual orientation never in my life. I
had an argument in law school with this guy about that.
He was like it was over the top.
Speaker 19 (53:34):
Right, I'm like, dude, I mean, why are you so
obsessed with somebody? You know what I mean? Like, who
thinks about that? I don't.
Speaker 18 (53:43):
I'll be honest with you, I don't. I just it's
just I mean, I'm living my life whatever.
Speaker 19 (53:49):
I don't.
Speaker 18 (53:49):
Who has that kind of time to think about this
person who's he's not going to work? And I'm mad
at him because I mean, you grinding. You ain't got
time to think about somebody else's lifestyle. Ain't nobody got
that kind of time. The only people that's got that
kind of time are people that ain't doing nothing. Yeah,
and most of these people probably you know, you can
(54:10):
see them look at when they ask them questions, you
can see when they're interviewing them.
Speaker 19 (54:14):
It's it's shocking.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 20 (54:17):
You know, I wanted to say this real quick that
all of this is a dangerous time in America. I
think that you know, what's happening right now and what
we're seeing is you know, it reminds me of something
I read awhile back saying that there was more military
brass stepped down under this presentency than any other time.
People stepped back away from this because they didn't want
(54:38):
to serve under him, and those same entities, I believe
is those same menthitis don't want to see this war.
This this this country going to civil war. And like
you were saying, I believe that this thing is much
deeply rooted. But I think this is a terrible time
for America and this is just the start of it.
By what we're seeing, it's it's much deeper. And like
(55:00):
you say, there's people that are sitting back that don't
There's there's forces inside and outside that's seeing all of
this go down, and it's not a pretty picture.
Speaker 5 (55:11):
But I just you know, people.
Speaker 20 (55:13):
Are surprised that this is happening, and I can't say
that because of what this country was built on. You
you shouldn't be surprised at all, and you've been you
shouldn't be surprised at what's gonna follow.
Speaker 19 (55:22):
Yeah, It's it's amazing to me, man, it really is.
Speaker 10 (55:27):
Man.
Speaker 18 (55:28):
I just that's the thing that I can't really, you know,
get over, is their their their obsessions and some of
the things that they would say, I don't really know
what's going on, you know, really with you know, these
individuals and their mindsets and their their hatred or the
fact that their obsession with this particular individual.
Speaker 19 (55:50):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't. I'm not getting it.
I don't understand. I know that I don't know, man.
Speaker 18 (55:59):
I mean, it's just you can't. It's something you'll never understand,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 19 (56:06):
You can't.
Speaker 18 (56:06):
It's just like you know, who there's a lot of
people that do bad things and you don't know what
really triggers them. But there's something that's actually triggered in
the minds of certain people who you know, hold someone
like that to hot Stein, there's nothing you know what
(56:31):
I mean. I mean, you know, like I said, but
they'll never get it. So that's the thing about it
is that you can talk all day long and no
matter what you say, these individuals mentally have they they're
experiencing trauma somehow.
Speaker 15 (56:48):
I think that's the most frustrating thing for me too,
because it's like it always just like makes my brain hurt,
where like why people can't sort of realize certain things
or like come to understand why, like you know, if
it's like the Charlie thing or even the Trump thing,
Like why can't you understand why I'm not supporting him,
like why I'm mapping it out for you, And they
still don't seem to understand, Like, you know, every time
(57:09):
I say, oh, yeah, he said this thing about black people,
he feels this way about back there, like oh, and
they just excuse like excuses for it exactly, And it's
just like it's like it's really like it's really frustrated,
and it like really sort of makes me sad in
the way because it's like as time goes on, it's like,
is this just how life is? Do we ever get
(57:30):
to a place where like things are more civil and
you know, there's more solidarity across you know all. I mean,
I know, of course there's the vision that's gonna be
a voting process where people are different opinions, but like,
I don't know, it just feels like there's there's we've
lost a plot on certain things, you know, And that's.
Speaker 10 (57:49):
What's always concerning to me.
Speaker 19 (57:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 20 (57:51):
Yeah, but what about this Supreme Court thing? I know
we limited on time, but.
Speaker 18 (57:57):
Yeah, man, I mean just because we're gonna probably hit
this one's strong next week. But yeah, so there's there's
really you know, we don't see how it's going to
play out. But you know, of course, now they've been,
you know, doubling down on making contact with undocumented people,
and now there is a Supreme Court case that's going
(58:20):
to allow that initial contact, that reasonable suspicion can be
based upon an appearance, you know what I mean. So
a lot of time, but it's going to bleed over.
You remember was talking about or we're saying that this
is not our fight. Now what's going to happen. We're
(58:40):
going to start having it bleed over? And now all
of a sudden, eventually that thing is going to come
directly back to.
Speaker 19 (58:47):
Us in one way or the other, you know what
I mean. And so.
Speaker 18 (58:52):
You know that's that's kind of I kind of I
don't want to go too deep into it because I
know we don't have too much time and I think
we might hit that at the at the at the
very beginning of next week. But you know, that's that's
kind of kind of where we are on that, man.
So yeah, man, it's.
Speaker 19 (59:08):
It's crazy, man, It's it's like I couldn't even believe it, man,
I can't believe I'm still tripping over the over your.
Speaker 18 (59:14):
Boy, who is Charlie. Yeah, you know what I mean,
I just like you know, but yeah, but I'm just
still trying to figure out how people are so mad.
Yeah that this happened, and it happened to being somebody
(59:35):
that looks that's not even it's a white dude who's
a Republican.
Speaker 15 (59:40):
That's the most poetic thing about it. And I shouldn't
say poetic because it makes it seem like I'm celebrated,
but like, it's just that it's like in his last words,
in the last weeks of his life, he was talking.
Speaker 10 (59:51):
About black black on black crime and violence.
Speaker 15 (59:55):
And the last words that you say is gang violence,
about to take some anti black about how black people
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I'm Rob Bartier, the governor of Utah, says Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 18 (12:40):
Hit Thank you for tuning in for this additional Justice
Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali. I am Attorney Zulu Ali
with a Justice Watch crew Roseen Dunya as, Michael Blaud Clark,
Doctor Kilbasher, Andrew Rodeman, and Ryan Rhodes. This week, like
every week, we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice
issue that are impacting our communities. This week, we will
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be discussing the murder of Charlie Kirk and the most
recent Supreme Court case regarding racial profiling. Supposedly it came
out of the out of a case with ice contact
any rate Charlie. Right, So, Charlie is one of those things.
Speaker 19 (13:30):
Let me ask you this question, can you speak ill
of the dead?
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yes?
Speaker 19 (13:34):
Can you speak ill of the dead?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 18 (13:37):
So this is a situation, uh with with Charlie Kirk.
As you all know that Charlie Kirk was a I
guess what do you call it, as a media influencer
or something like that.
Speaker 15 (13:53):
He had a podcast, so yeah, I guess a media influencer.
Speaker 19 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (13:57):
So, and he uh basically had made over the years
extremely controversial statements as it related to African Americans, other minorities, LGBTQ,
gun rights, all kinds of things. I mean, he was
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really on the cuffs of so many different controversial issues.
Speaker 19 (14:22):
So just to be fair.
Speaker 18 (14:27):
In the situation, I never, honestly, I didn't know who
he was until this happened.
Speaker 19 (14:33):
Really had heard of him.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
I heard of him?
Speaker 19 (14:35):
Yeah, what about you? I actually had never heard of Charlie.
Have you heard of him?
Speaker 10 (14:40):
Jill?
Speaker 18 (14:42):
So I never knew who he was. However, after this incident. Uh,
and that being unless let me go back, So he's
actually doing for those who I'm sure everybody's heard. He
is a given a speech on the campus of he's
in Utah like that, so a university in Utah. He's
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given his speech during the or talk, I guess I
should say during the talk. Uh, there was a moment
where he was being asked a question as it related
related to gun rights and transgender during that conversation, during
while he was answering it, he was shot actually in
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the in the neck. And uh, of course it's probably
in light of where he was shot and how he
was shot, I think he probably died or passed away
right there on the scene he was taken uh to Uh,
I think by a security team to a medical facility
where I think he was immediately pronounced dad. He lost
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a whole lot of blood after the incident. Then, you know,
there was a pouring out of from individuals for some
individuals that were deeply, you know, deeply bothered and obviously
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you know, expressed their condolences and about how terrible it
was that this individual was subjected to being murdered. I
think his children were at the location, his wife and children.
I don't know if they were watching, but I believe
that they were at least in the vicinity, and rightfully so.
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People were expressing their condolences, which is clearly not really
an issue now. I don't have no problem with people
expressing their condolences to the family and saying it's a
tragedy that a man has got shot and murdered.
Speaker 19 (16:53):
Fair enough, that's terrible.
Speaker 18 (16:56):
Now, throughout this process, I first I'm like, oh, you know,
this dude I'd never heard of. I was actually seeing
it on Facebook and seeing it on social.
Speaker 19 (17:06):
Media people telling me about it.
Speaker 18 (17:10):
Then all of a sudden, I start seeing some other posts,
and a lot of it had to do with you know,
a lot of the posts were individuals that were showing.
Speaker 19 (17:22):
Like clips of where he's talking excuse me, listen, thank you.
Speaker 18 (17:31):
Clips are where he's talking about various very controversial issues,
things that he said, things that he wrote, and you know,
I can say that for me to set up here
and say that they were extremely not offensive would be
a lie. He said some extremely offensive things. He was
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did not seem to be an extremely empathetic person. In fact,
I think he made a statement about empathy.
Speaker 19 (18:03):
Ironically.
Speaker 18 (18:05):
Now there's a couple of things there, you know, let's
unpack really what's happening.
Speaker 19 (18:11):
In this situation.
Speaker 18 (18:13):
The first thing is the fact that it is a
tragedy when a human being is murdered, for sure, absolutely tragedy.
Speaker 19 (18:23):
I'll begin there.
Speaker 18 (18:24):
There's nothing I'm not gonna sit up here and say
that I'm happy that he was assassinated, because I think
that that is a tragedy, which is not the subject.
Speaker 19 (18:35):
Really, it's not going to be.
Speaker 18 (18:36):
We're going to talk a little bit about why it
happened and what I believed happened as far as you
know him, you know, being murdered like that, But I'm
also going to talk about the I think that really
what's at stake in this conversation is you know, I
see a lot of hypocrisy from the right and conservative
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is when it comes to first of all, you know,
blaming the left and black folks, you know, shut HBCUs
being threatened and shut down and being upset and blaming
you know, you know, the left for it right, which
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makes no sense where you know, you know, there's never
any there was not even any empathy for those gods
for those Capitol police on January the sixth, when they
invaded the capitol, you know, where individuals were hurt.
Speaker 19 (19:37):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 18 (19:40):
Know what's going on, where individuals, you know, were assaulted
and hurt, people were charged with I mean, this is
these are people who.
Speaker 19 (19:48):
Were you know, these were real heroes.
Speaker 18 (19:53):
That were trying to protect the capital against these individuals
who went to the Capitol and we're you know, basically mob,
a mob, that's what they were. These were terrorists right.
In fact, six within six months after the incident, at
least four or five of those Capitol police officers committed suicide.
(20:16):
And a lot of it could be you know, it's
said to it could have been attributed to what they
experienced during this incident. Nobody said anything about that I mean,
did they fly the flag at half mass after that incident?
And if they did, did they fly it for the
terrorist or did they fly it for the people who
were trying to protect you know, the government or protect
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the people. You know, we don't know that, but there
is a lot of hypocrisy. But I think, you know,
I thought a whole lot about how to address this subject, right,
and there's many different ways to address the subject.
Speaker 19 (20:56):
But I think that I mean, and plus some of
the things.
Speaker 18 (21:00):
He said, like I'd have to look at a black
if I was flying a plane and there was a
black pilot, I would have to say, is he qualified
because of the color of their skin?
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Right?
Speaker 18 (21:12):
And you know, very very the thing about black women,
are they really you know, intelligent or you know the
intelligence of black people?
Speaker 19 (21:21):
And d EI and you.
Speaker 18 (21:23):
Know, affirmative action and you know, some really very ignorant
things that he was talking about. So the problem, I mean,
I thought, you know what, I'm going to go in there, man,
and you know, let me, let me give it to them,
and and I might, you know, I'm sure you guys
might set me off. But until then, what I want
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to say, and what I think is the real issue,
honestly is I think that my personal opinion is that
I think that those who harbor that type of hatred
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against people are mentally ill. I think that we would
be doing a disservice to giving them enough power to
suggest that it's privileged. Yeah, it's not privileged, because most
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of these individuals, honestly aren't privileged.
Speaker 19 (22:34):
They are pawns. They are pawns.
Speaker 18 (22:38):
That most of these individuals that harbor these types of
feelings aren't really you know, or aren't really the elite
or powerful in this country, right, They are basically really
just pawns. I think that, you know, President Lyndon B.
Johnson said it, which was a verified to say that
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as long as you can make the lowest white man
believe he's better than the highest black man, you can
keep his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 19 (23:07):
All day long.
Speaker 18 (23:09):
Same way when Donald Trump talked about how stupid Republicans
were right correct. So I think that they're pawns and
all of these things that they're doing is the fact
that they realize that they aren't very methodical, and I
do believe that there is a significant degree of sickness.
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I think that somebody the things I will say this
and it could be controversial.
Speaker 19 (23:35):
You could believe what you want to.
Speaker 18 (23:37):
But someone that would say, when I get on a
plane and I see a black man that's a polot,
the first thing that comes to my mind is whether
he's qualified. Is a sick human being. They're not privileged,
they're not special. You're not hurting my feelings, right, you're
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not hurting my feelings. I'm not going to go home
and cry. I'm not going to do any of that.
I'm going to go.
Speaker 19 (24:03):
Home and pray for you because you're sick.
Speaker 18 (24:06):
These are sick people, and I think that we give
them power when we get on there and start trying
to say you're privileged and you're this, and you're not
none of that stuff. You're just a sick human being, right.
And I think that the reason why someone like like
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Charlie Kirk does things like that and people like that
is because there isn't an ingrained degree of inferiority. When
Charlie Kirk made those statements to people, he made those
people feel good. He made those people feel like the
fact that I'm not able to do something, the fact
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that I'm not able although I'm in a society that
is basically at its very fabric based upon the oppression
of certain people. I'm not able to be successful, right,
And since I'm not able to be successful, then I'm
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gonna blame somebody else.
Speaker 19 (25:14):
You see what I mean?
Speaker 18 (25:15):
Like, come on, dude, you can't be You literally are
preaching to people who have nothing else to do but
to say that the world in America's messed up because
certain people have certain advantages. You cannot make me, you
know what I mean. If you're beneath me and you
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can't do anything, I promise you I ain't thinking about
you there. So he was so popular because they were
consumed with his rhetoric. What type of satisfaction would you
get from a person saying that black people are not intelligent?
Speaker 19 (25:56):
If that's true, why would it bother you? It wouldn't
bother you. Think about that. Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 18 (26:04):
So the reality of it is is that some of
the reaction. I understand that a lot of it is emotional,
but logically, I think we have to set back and
you know, realize that these individuals are suffering from a
significant degree of sickness and a significant degree of self
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worth and inferiority. If you're setting somewhere in this country
and you aren't successful, right, and you just happened to
be not African American or another minority, and you literally
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are going to get up and say, the reason why
I'm not able to be success full and things are
messed up in this country is because lazy black people.
Speaker 19 (27:06):
Right.
Speaker 18 (27:08):
Really, that's what we're doing, you see what I'm saying.
So I think that sometimes we got to change. I
think the narrative is an emotional narrative and people haven't
come to terms with understanding. And that's the hardest thing
to do. Man, that's hard for me to understand that.
You know, my grandfather used to say, and his name
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was A. D Reynolds, he used to say, fish swim
and ducks quack.
Speaker 19 (27:36):
I used to say, Grandad, why do they do that? Granddaddy?
Speaker 18 (27:39):
Why do they do that? And you say fish swim
and ducks quack? And I'm like, what does that mean?
And finally I realized, fish swim and ducks quack. Correct,
that's just kind of what they do, right. And I
think that as we're looking at it and we're trying
to unpack this thing and kind of dealing with the
I mean, I can come in here, and I can
blast them, and I can talk about how terrible he is,
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and I can talk about, you know, the people who
support him, and I can spew that kind of hate,
and I can go in and I could really go
in on him right now about you know, how terrible
you know, the things that he said. But then I
have to sit back and I gotta think, why are
you worried about that? You know, first of all, you're
saying all these things and people are listening to you, right,
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and if it was true, right, why would it bother you?
Speaker 19 (28:33):
Why would that bother you?
Speaker 18 (28:34):
Has has any lazy person that happens to be white
that doesn't go to work? That's not intelligent? Have you
ever had that conversation? You see what I'm saying that
that's the conversation that people like. You know, you know,
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he's telling the truth. And I've seen someone say, well,
you know, black people are lazy, they don't work, and
because no black person is working, and that they got.
You know, I even seen one was talking. He was
talking about he got a cell phone.
Speaker 19 (29:10):
He said, how can.
Speaker 18 (29:10):
You not working? How sneak two hundred dollars? Sneakers are
not working? How cell phones, and there's literally this woman says,
tell me where he's wrong.
Speaker 19 (29:22):
I'm like, work, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's
very awkward.
Speaker 18 (29:27):
Now let me say, let me tell you this if
you're upset at that, but you're not upset with someone
saying what they said about Barack Obama's wife about being
a man and being a monkey, right, and in fact
put memes about him being a monkey. But the same
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people that would degrade his wife ain't got nothing to
do with it. She's an innocent, she's a civilian, she's
an innocent bystander. But then you're gonna say that about
her his you think about that? How diabolical can you
be to condemn and do the things that you They
said some god awful things about Barack Obama and his wife, right,
(30:12):
But then you're mad about people talking about this, uh,
Charlie Kirk, not to mention Nancy Pelosi who got attacked
in her home, you know, and her husband got injured.
Then you went off. You see what I'm saying Now?
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For me, it's like, am I mad at him?
Speaker 10 (30:35):
No?
Speaker 19 (30:36):
But it's just like you're just sick. That's just a sickness.
Speaker 18 (30:43):
He says, is there any Is there an argument for
removing DEI for positions like doctor in an emergency room?
Speaker 19 (30:52):
Oh, is there an argument for that? I mean, I
don't think they have DEI in emergency room.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 19 (31:01):
Well I can, I can, I can go back this.
Let's unpack DEI.
Speaker 18 (31:07):
So I think that sometimes there's a there's a confusion
about what DEI really means diversity, diversity, equity, and inclusion.
I think that the reason why that that there's diversity,
equity and inclusion is the same way that we have,
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for example, a system of certain states in this country
that have more representatives than another state. For example, when
the representatives in the state of California, there's way more
electoral electoral college votes in the state of California than
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there is in another state. It's been that way today,
it's always been that way. So it's almost like make
the argument that that's unfair and unconstitutional because every state,
even Utah, should have every state should have the same number, right,
you know what I mean? But they don't, right, because
(32:16):
if you just went by just voting by the numbers
of individuals, right, and there was no electoral college, some
states would have a bigger, say so in national elections
than others. Right, So they're limiting the numbers that you
could have because they realized that a state like California
could base a state like Utah wouldn't get no representation,
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you know what I mean. So that's the reason why
they have electoral colleges. So it's not like, for example,
it's a matter of qualification. It's a matter of basically
to make sure that there's equal representation.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Now, let's just.
Speaker 18 (32:54):
Say, for example, there are let's just say there's one
hundred applicants for a position, and out of those one
hundred applicants, right, it says that you have to and
you have to have a an MD degree, you have
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to pass the medical exam boards, and you have to
be qualified to be a doctor.
Speaker 19 (33:26):
Right.
Speaker 18 (33:26):
That means, in other words, you have to have the
degree to be you have to have the degree, you
have to have the licensing. So if you think about
that situation, then the question would be, now, how do
you make a decision as to who's qualified and who's
not qualified? If we all have the same degree, have
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same degrees, same admissions, then how do you make that
determination as to who's going to be qualified.
Speaker 19 (33:56):
For the job, and who's not going to be qualified
for the job.
Speaker 18 (33:59):
The fact that everybody is qualified. Then what you're going
to do is you're going to say that in certain
cases that diversity, equity and inclusion would benefit you know,
as it's an educational two to make sure that there's
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proper representation. It's not about qualification, it's about representation, you
see what I mean? And I think that sometimes they
don't understand that issue the same way with HBCUs. I mean,
you know, white students get into hbc USED. People would
be shocked how many white people go to HBCUs historically
black colleges and universities, and they basically earmark certain numbers
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of white students to get into hbc USED. In fact,
there's been controversy about white students going to HBCUs, right,
So you know it really is is a the same way. Well,
you know, like for example, in federal jobs, in certain
jobs where we try to find people who speak Spanish, well,
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there's a reason why you need somebody to speak Spanish.
So it's kind of like I think that they kind
of like in their mindset and they've believing that DEI
means that you hire somebody based upon their color, and
they're not and they's not qualified, and that's not what
the In fact, the people who benefited the most for
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DEI are white women. You see what I'm saying. Those
have been the bigger Like if you go into you'd
be shocked how many white women are in positions like
for example, go go look at your judges, you know
what I mean? The same way with the Supreme Court judges. Right,
they've tried to say that even some of the female
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Supreme Court justices are deis.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
You know, they're qualified.
Speaker 18 (35:55):
They basically, you know, are graduates of.
Speaker 19 (36:00):
Of law schools.
Speaker 18 (36:02):
Right, They've been admitted to the bars and and and
probably got more better experience than whatever. So DEI, the
idea of people getting positions based up on you know,
favoritism is not something that is you know, is the
subject of DEI. That's a problem period. Right, But at
(36:26):
any rate, that's enough for my introduction. So you know,
I could go on and on and on and on,
but anyway, I.
Speaker 19 (36:35):
Want to start. Who wants to start? Who wants to
go in on? Charlie Man first, don't be scared, look
look for me.
Speaker 15 (36:49):
I'll start by saying this, I think anybody having to
watch a loved one be killed on video is a
very tragic thing. I think we can all agree on that.
A kid having to watch their father be killed, I
don't want to. I don't want anybody to experience that.
And I'm not going to celebrate or dance on his grave.
(37:09):
But I'm also not going more in somebody that probably
would have spit on mind. That's how I feel, and
I honestly feel like what it comes down to is
when you build an entire career lifestyle community on just
spewing hatred and evil and divisiveness, when you build your
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entire platform on that, and you know, you use that
to kind of help win elections, like he was a
major player in as far as like youth movements in
this last election. And when you're doing that and you
create this just hateful energy and you're divisive towards people,
and your people are being affected by the things that
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you're saying, real lives are being affected by that. You
have to take whatever comes with that right, And the
honest to God truth is that means death. You know,
Like when you bring hatred towards somebody else, there might
be somebody that's like, Okay, you hate me, Well I
hate you too, and I'm gonna show you how much
I hate you. And that's just the reality you have
(38:17):
to take. What comes with that, and what came with
that for Charlie was unfortunately death. And once again, I'm
not going to celebrate his death.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
I'm not cheering on anything.
Speaker 15 (38:29):
But if you were a terrible person when you were alive,
I have the right to say you're a tarrit person
in death. I think that you don't get redeemed in
death just because you die tragically, you know. So I
don't have empathy for him. I really don't have empathy
for his wife. I've seen a lot of people say
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his wife. I have empathy for his wife. I don't,
because his wife chose to marry a person who was
skewing those things, and she chose to bury and love
evil every day. She chose that. I have empathy for
his kids. I have empathy for kids I won't grow
up with a father, and I have kids who I
have empathy for kids who will, well, they were going
(39:12):
to probably more than likely be pushed the same things
that he was preaching, honestly, but I don't think that
kids should be like pushed evil on either. So I
do have empathy for them. I don't have empathy for
his supporters, cause I've seen a lot of them. One
of the things that's most like disturbing for me in
this week is people using religion, specifically Christianity, as a
(39:36):
shield for racism. And that's been very disheartening. You know,
people like, oh, I don't care what you believe. He
was a man of God. That man of God thought
that I was inferior to him. Correct, That man of
God thought that gay people should be stoned. He thought
that they should bring back public executions and have kids
to the front rows of those executions. He thought all
of those things. And you know me personally, I don't
(40:00):
think we serve the same god. If you believe those things,
I don't want to be in the same places, you know,
serving the same God.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
That that's just how you're moving.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
So once again, not gonna dance on his grave, not
gonna celebrate him being gone, but his death it's just
a result of the way he lived his life.
Speaker 20 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know, basically the same thing. Basically the
same thing with exactly what you were saying in terms
of not celebrating death. But this is ingrained in American history,
you know, violence, and so when we see something like this,
I don't think it should be much of a surprise
(40:39):
to any of us because this is just the country
that we were living. But also going back to what
you were saying, you know, you know, it's not about
celebrating death or you know, because there's innocent parties involved in,
like you said, the children and stuff like that, and
so a lot of times the children actually grew up
spearing the same thing that their pearance. But when you
(41:02):
look at it, I reflect back on Malcolm when he
made that statement. They got him expelled, the chicken coming
home to roots, And that's that reality right now. Whether
or not it be something of physical nature that he
didn't do, but his words within themselves basically elicited hurt
and pain out of people, and the things that he
(41:23):
spoke about made people react a certain way, made people
do certain things. He mighty didn't do it itself, but
his words alone was enough to cause harm to people.
And so with that, I mean, like you say, it's
not a celebration or anything of his death, but I
mean he knew the job was dangerous with the minute
he spoke, you know, words about of his mouth about
(41:45):
different individuals, is about different subject matters.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
He was. He's the one that was a stunt supporter.
Speaker 20 (41:50):
Of the Second Amendment, right, talking about there should be
more guns on the street in the hands of the citizens.
And in fact, during the time he was asked a
question about mass shootings and he asked a question, I
believe somebody asked a question, what do you think about
mad shootings or something?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
He said, taken in account gang gang.
Speaker 20 (42:08):
Shootings as well, And that's when his life got in
speaking on the subject of matter that he was so
strongly about, what's guns, And then it happened, you know,
And like I say, it's you know for us to
be surprised, you know, but I will say this, this
was no doubt assassination. This was no doubt bigger than
(42:28):
what we can ever my belief that it's you know,
we look at it and think, okay, if somebody did,
but look where he was at. He was in the
widest place that you can ever be at making a subject.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
He wasn't like a U at C or U C
l A, you know. I mean, so come.
Speaker 18 (42:47):
On, I mean I think that when you when you
look at you know, people and people you can I
can disagree with someone, you know what I mean. I
think that there's a way of of doing that. I'm
gonna give you a great example. Then when they talked
John McCain. When someone said something that was not proper
(43:14):
about John McCain, I mean about Barack Obama, John McCain says,
you know, he's not He's a good American who I
just happened to have fundamental disagreements with. Right, he's a Republican.
I got respect for him, right I do. I mean,
that's a respectful thing to say. He has just a
(43:36):
different difference of opinion, you know. And then when he
when someone tries to talk about John McCain, then you
have a president who discribed who basically says that he says,
my heroes don't get captured. Who John McCain knowing John McCain.
John McCain was in the Navy, He was a Navy pilot.
(43:58):
He got shot down, and he was a prisoner of
war and he went through hell. Right, I would never
in a million years, no matter what I think about Republicans,
would ever say anything negative about that man's service. And
if a Democrat would have said something about it, they
would have called it. If a Republican would have said
something about it, they would have called it. The President
(44:18):
said that, and everybody's cool with it now. John McCain
was a hell of a much more of a it
was a real patriot.
Speaker 19 (44:27):
This Charlie Kirk was not at all, you see what
I'm saying at all.
Speaker 18 (44:33):
So you know this isn't really they made it a
race thing. He made it a race thing. You see
what I'm saying, You know what I mean. So you
know that that's where That's where I'm going with That's
where I'm saying that these people who happened to be
that whatever it is they got going on over there,
(44:55):
you know what I mean, That's that's a problem, you
know what I mean. You know, there's there's you know,
it's fine to think have issues about the economy, issue
about national security, issues about you know, many different things
that could be conservative or liberal.
Speaker 19 (45:11):
That's fine. Right. You may have your stance.
Speaker 18 (45:15):
And what you believe about people who are of the
LGBTQ community, but.
Speaker 19 (45:21):
You have no right trying to.
Speaker 18 (45:24):
Diminish them, right and who they are as human beings.
And you know, if you have an issue with that's fine,
pray for them if you're a Christian if you think
something's wrong with it. But to do but to go
out and hurt somebody, or harm somebody, or say you
should do something to them and just batter them is wrong.
It's just absolutely wrong, no matter who you are, right,
(45:49):
And so you know, that's that's where you realize that
these people are sick, and you know, God bless them,
but you know, and and it's a terrible thing to
realize that people like that.
Speaker 19 (46:00):
That's just hatred and who would.
Speaker 18 (46:04):
Have a man of God ain't gonna have that type
of hatred in his heart, you know what I mean? Now,
the next thing, why did it happen? Okay, I'm with you. You
know it was much deeper. I don't want to be
a conspiracy theorist, but it was much deeper than this
(46:24):
kid that decided that he wanted to drive five hundred
miles to get on top of a building and take
a rifle and shoot somebody in the neck from two
hundred yards.
Speaker 19 (46:36):
So this is what I think.
Speaker 18 (46:39):
I think that you know, you heard me say this
during the presidency, during the you know when.
Speaker 19 (46:48):
What's his name?
Speaker 18 (46:49):
Our president was running for president. When he was running
for president, I said, look, I said, there's some things
that are more important than you.
Speaker 19 (47:00):
There's things that are more important than him. Right.
Speaker 18 (47:05):
I think that the people that he's speaking to are
not people who are decision makers, are people who are
really in power. He's speaking to people who have no power.
That's his base. His base aren't really the powerful people,
because the powerful people aren't concerned with whether you have
(47:27):
a cell phone or whether you have two hundred dollars
sneakers sneakers, That's not really what they're concerned about. They
are concerned about our national security. I think that the
division within our country where we are now puts us
in a situation where we're extremely vulnerable. And I think
that there are people who at the highest levels of
(47:50):
government and even including our intelligence communities, that understand that
we are in a situation where they're going to have
to pipe that down and no matter what happens, right,
whether it's John F. Kennedy or whoever it is, everybody
can be touched. And if they think that based upon
(48:16):
what we're seeing with regards to what's happening in this country,
I think that there are people who are concerned. I
think that they're going to get rid of this element
because this element is hurting our government so bad that
something needs to happen.
Speaker 19 (48:36):
Now, he gets on top of this roof two hundred yards.
Speaker 18 (48:40):
Away, gets in the prone position, and shoots two hundred
yards and hits someone. I mean, the logistics, the location
isn't something that just a you know, some kid just
decided overnight to do.
Speaker 19 (48:53):
For what for one hundred percent?
Speaker 18 (48:55):
Sure it was planned, Yes, so you're gonna tell me
he he knew what building to get on, he knew
where he was going to be, He knew all of this,
and you know that's that takes some planning, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 19 (49:12):
I don't care.
Speaker 18 (49:12):
Maybe he was shooting, you know, I know he they
said that, Well, you know he's from Utah.
Speaker 19 (49:16):
They do deer hunting in Utah.
Speaker 15 (49:18):
Yeah, I have to say, and skill because like to
be able to be that accurate from that far, like
you've been doing this for a while. I'm not saying
he wasn't hunting, but that was impressive.
Speaker 10 (49:28):
Honestly.
Speaker 19 (49:28):
Yeah, I mean he's a patsy in my opinion. That's
just what I think.
Speaker 18 (49:32):
I think that that you know, I do believe. I
think that that even honestly, I think that that Trump
is in danger, and I don't think that he's in
danger by some crazy left wing nut.
Speaker 19 (49:47):
I think that.
Speaker 18 (49:48):
There are individuals that are high at the highest level
of government that will take him out. I believe that, Yeah,
I really believe that. And I think that basically, you know,
when it comes to his decisions about certain things, if
(50:10):
there are people who believe that he's getting ready to
divide this country in a way in which there's going
to be a civil war, I think that there's people
that will take him out for that. And I'm not
talking about a civilian. I'm literally talking about the government.
They're not gonna let that happen, you know what I mean.
And I think that that's what people have to understand.
(50:30):
These little people, these miga people, They're not powerful people,
you know what I mean. These are just actually just
everyday people who are disgruntled, right, and half of them
don't even really know much about government. They have a
personal acts to grin. They're mad because you know, whether
(50:50):
it's about their job, whether it's about they feel like,
you know, they're threatened, you know what I mean. You know,
they're feeling anxiety. They don't know that they're seeing things
are changing, you know, they're but they're not powerful people.
They're not powerful people aren't walking around with maga hats.
Speaker 19 (51:12):
On, you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 18 (51:16):
And and people who are empowered that are following him
are only doing it long enough to benefit them. If
if if they feel like that he's no longer benefiting him,
they'll drop him like a hot potato. So I mean,
that's really what you what you're what you know, really
what's going on? So I think that again, I think
that we're giving those individuals way more power than they deserve.
(51:40):
And I think that we had to sit back and
look and figure out, you know, who would take their
time I understand. And then a lot of it they're
preaching it from pulpits mm hmm.
Speaker 15 (51:51):
You know, let me just step in real quick. I'm
there's a report coming out. Trump was speaking at a
golf clubs talking to his audience, and he's said, smart
people don't like me. Really yeah, So based off what
you just said, you know, like basically like saying, like,
what do you think of your supporters?
Speaker 10 (52:10):
Are you a follower? Smart people don't like me? You know, so.
Speaker 19 (52:15):
He knows.
Speaker 18 (52:16):
I mean yeah, I mean, come on, think about it.
I mean, you're you're like, I'm disgruntled, I'm unhappy, and
he's telling me that my dissatisfaction with my life is
not because of me. It's because of someone else, and
it happens to be black people, or when black people
(52:36):
get up and you know, like for example, you know,
black people can say this, or black people can say that,
or black people, you know are killing each other in
the hood, or black people, you know don't want to work,
or black people don't want to do X, Y and z.
I mean, you know, I mean, you know who has
time for that? So if a black person doesn't want
(52:58):
to work, then you're disgruntled, you know what I mean?
I mean you know what I mean. I mean, there's
nothing to what you're just grown on about. I mean,
how was that in any way? You know you're going
to sleep. It's just like people who are overly obsessed
with homosexuality. That's weird to me. I don't go to
(53:18):
sleep thinking about nobody's sexual orientation. I've never woke up
thinking about someone's sexual orientation never in my life. I
had an argument in law school with this guy about that.
He was like it was over the top.
Speaker 19 (53:34):
Right, I'm like, dude, I mean, why are you so
obsessed with somebody? You know what I mean? Like, who
thinks about that? I don't.
Speaker 18 (53:43):
I'll be honest with you, I don't. I just it's
just I mean, I'm living my life whatever.
Speaker 19 (53:49):
I don't.
Speaker 18 (53:49):
Who has that kind of time to think about this
person who's he's not going to work? And I'm mad
at him because I mean, you grinding. You ain't got
time to think about somebody else's lifestyle. Ain't nobody got
that kind of time. The only people that's got that
kind of time are people that ain't doing nothing. Yeah,
and most of these people probably you know, you can
(54:10):
see them look at when they ask them questions, you
can see when they're interviewing them.
Speaker 19 (54:14):
It's it's shocking.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 20 (54:17):
You know, I wanted to say this real quick that
all of this is a dangerous time in America. I
think that you know, what's happening right now and what
we're seeing is you know, it reminds me of something
I read awhile back saying that there was more military
brass stepped down under this presentency than any other time.
People stepped back away from this because they didn't want
(54:38):
to serve under him, and those same entities, I believe
is those same menthitis don't want to see this war.
This this this country going to civil war. And like
you were saying, I believe that this thing is much
deeply rooted. But I think this is a terrible time
for America and this is just the start of it.
By what we're seeing, it's it's much deeper. And like
(55:00):
you say, there's people that are sitting back that don't
There's there's forces inside and outside that's seeing all of
this go down, and it's not a pretty picture.
Speaker 5 (55:11):
But I just you know, people.
Speaker 20 (55:13):
Are surprised that this is happening, and I can't say
that because of what this country was built on. You
you shouldn't be surprised at all, and you've been you
shouldn't be surprised at what's gonna follow.
Speaker 19 (55:22):
Yeah, It's it's amazing to me, man, it really is.
Speaker 10 (55:27):
Man.
Speaker 18 (55:28):
I just that's the thing that I can't really, you know,
get over, is their their their obsessions and some of
the things that they would say, I don't really know
what's going on, you know, really with you know, these
individuals and their mindsets and their their hatred or the
fact that their obsession with this particular individual.
Speaker 19 (55:50):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't. I'm not getting it.
I don't understand. I know that I don't know, man.
Speaker 18 (55:59):
I mean, it's just you can't. It's something you'll never understand,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 19 (56:06):
You can't.
Speaker 18 (56:06):
It's just like you know, who there's a lot of
people that do bad things and you don't know what
really triggers them. But there's something that's actually triggered in
the minds of certain people who you know, hold someone
like that to hot Stein, there's nothing you know what
(56:31):
I mean. I mean, you know, like I said, but
they'll never get it. So that's the thing about it
is that you can talk all day long and no
matter what you say, these individuals mentally have they they're
experiencing trauma somehow.
Speaker 15 (56:48):
I think that's the most frustrating thing for me too,
because it's like it always just like makes my brain hurt,
where like why people can't sort of realize certain things
or like come to understand why, like you know, if
it's like the Charlie thing or even the Trump thing,
Like why can't you understand why I'm not supporting him,
like why I'm mapping it out for you, And they
still don't seem to understand, Like, you know, every time
(57:09):
I say, oh, yeah, he said this thing about black people,
he feels this way about back there, like oh, and
they just excuse like excuses for it exactly, And it's
just like it's like it's really like it's really frustrated,
and it like really sort of makes me sad in
the way because it's like as time goes on, it's like,
is this just how life is? Do we ever get
(57:30):
to a place where like things are more civil and
you know, there's more solidarity across you know all. I mean,
I know, of course there's the vision that's gonna be
a voting process where people are different opinions, but like,
I don't know, it just feels like there's there's we've
lost a plot on certain things, you know, And that's.
Speaker 10 (57:49):
What's always concerning to me.
Speaker 19 (57:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 20 (57:51):
Yeah, but what about this Supreme Court thing? I know
we limited on time, but.
Speaker 18 (57:57):
Yeah, man, I mean just because we're gonna probably hit
this one's strong next week. But yeah, so there's there's
really you know, we don't see how it's going to
play out. But you know, of course, now they've been,
you know, doubling down on making contact with undocumented people,
and now there is a Supreme Court case that's going
(58:20):
to allow that initial contact, that reasonable suspicion can be
based upon an appearance, you know what I mean. So
a lot of time, but it's going to bleed over.
You remember was talking about or we're saying that this
is not our fight. Now what's going to happen. We're
(58:40):
going to start having it bleed over? And now all
of a sudden, eventually that thing is going to come
directly back to.
Speaker 19 (58:47):
Us in one way or the other, you know what
I mean. And so.
Speaker 18 (58:52):
You know that's that's kind of I kind of I
don't want to go too deep into it because I
know we don't have too much time and I think
we might hit that at the at the at the
very beginning of next week. But you know, that's that's
kind of kind of where we are on that, man.
So yeah, man, it's.
Speaker 19 (59:08):
It's crazy, man, It's it's like I couldn't even believe it, man,
I can't believe I'm still tripping over the over your.
Speaker 18 (59:14):
Boy, who is Charlie. Yeah, you know what I mean,
I just like you know, but yeah, but I'm just
still trying to figure out how people are so mad.
Yeah that this happened, and it happened to being somebody
(59:35):
that looks that's not even it's a white dude who's
a Republican.
Speaker 15 (59:40):
That's the most poetic thing about it. And I shouldn't
say poetic because it makes it seem like I'm celebrated,
but like, it's just that it's like in his last words,
in the last weeks of his life, he was talking.
Speaker 10 (59:51):
About black black on black crime and violence.
Speaker 15 (59:55):
And the last words that you say is gang violence,
about to take some anti black about how black people
are inherently you know, violent, correct, And you die in
the whitest state in the country by a white man.
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