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Speaker 7 (04:57):
Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorney's Ali. I am Attorney Zulu Ali with
a Justice Watch crew, Rosen Nunas, Michael blau Clark, doctor Kilbashir,
Andrew Rodeman, and Ryan Rhodes. This week, like every week,
we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice issues that
are impacting our communities. This week, we're going to start
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out talking about the sentencing with Sean Diddy Combs that
was on on Friday. Actually, so, what's up with your boy?
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I told you he needs to be I mean, I
know he's probably not happy about it, but he needs
to be thankful. I think, yeah, I think he needs
to be super thankful. You can have a break down
exactly what everything's gonna look like for him. But I
definitely thought it was going to be longer than what
he got for sure.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I mean, so yeah, I mean basically just to recap,
I mean, what he was, what he was found guilty of.
I mean, I think there was five charges, three of
the most serious charge or just with your human trafficking
related type of cases he was acquitted of, and he
was ultimately found guilty of basically, uh, transportation, transportation for sex.
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It's kind of what they call it, but actually it's
called the Man Act. And the Man Act has been
around since I believe, like nineteen eighteen, and it was
used to convict Jack Johnson because you remember Jack Johnson,
a boxer, you know, he was you know, because he
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primarily obviously was in relationships with with with white women.
And actually that's how they referred to it as the
White Slavery Act. And then he ended up, you know,
getting convicted of that. They got r. Kelly, you know,
with a similar conviction, and they ended up you know,
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with him getting convicted for that too. And so what's interesting.
Basically it's basically the Man Act or White Slave Tract Act,
which is codified under eighteen US C or US Code
twenty four to twenty one. It's a fail ney to
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knowingly transport any individual and interstate of foreign comers for
the purpose of prostitution or any other illegal sexual activity. Okay,
so it's kind of like one of those, at least
to a certain degree, kind of vague because it says
illegal sexual activity and you know that ended of itself
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without you know, I'm not going to go into you know,
really you know, Shitty had been found guilty and the
details of what he was actually you know, the specific acts.
But at any rate, this is kind of those The
Man Act carries a potential tenure prison sentence. So he
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was convicted of two counts of the Man Act, so
technically he could have gotten twenty years, wow, right for
each for each one. So I mean, like you said,
I mean, he clearly didn't get as much time as
he could have gotten. But you know, the prosecution was
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basically wanted to give him eleven years. And so what happens, man,
when you get convicted of a federal offense, They send
it out for you know, what they call a sentencing
report to probation, and probation looks into, you know, the background,
the interview the defendant, and then ultimately they write this
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report and they give their sentencing recommendation, which is only
a recommendation, but it's not, you know, something that the
judge has to follow. But at any rate, I believe
the recommendation that was given was like somewhere between somewhere
in the neighborhood of seven years. And then the defensive
course felt you know, they were asking for a minimum
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of fourteen months. Obviously, because he'd been in there for
fourteen months, the judge could have given could actually have
given him probation probably, I don't know if you're allowed
to give probation certain offenses. You can't give probation, but
I believe in this particular case they could have. And
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the things that they're actually that they consider when it
comes to sentencing is the nature and circumstances of the offense,
such as the severity and impact on of victims, the
defendant's criminal history and characteristics. The judge then they have
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to balance the objective of, you know, the goals of sentencing,
which is basically to uh, the serious of the offense,
the you know, the needs of rehabilitation, no sort of things,
the victim impact because oftentimes I believe there was victim
impact statements. I don't know if they did them live
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or if they wrote victim impact statements and and that
sort of thing. So when you know, Judge Subramanian considered
his the what he said he considered was the history
of abusing power, the impact on the victims, is criminal
history alongside his contributions to society, devotion of family, childhood struggles.
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And while he was acquitted on sex trafficking and racketeering,
the judge considered the testimony regarding these alleged alleged acts
to emphasize the gravity of the violence and to send
a message of accountability for abuse. He also considered the
recommendations for the federal sentencing guidelines and the prosecution's call
for a significant sentence due to Coombe's unrepentant behavior and
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defenses requests for a much higher or much lighter sentence.
So he ultimately gave him, you know, fifty months. I think,
like I said, he's been in there for for fourteen months. Yeah,
I think the probation Department recommended seven years and three months.
So so, I mean, you know, he definitely in light
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of what he could have gotten. You know, when you
look at twenty years, four years and two months doesn't
look that bad, yeah, you know, and what he got
fourteen months in which but that puts in one about
another three years. But I believe that what happens is,
I know, they're appealing the case, and part of the
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appeal is that the prosecutor, I mean, the defense team
said that you know, he ultimately ended up being the
thirteenth juror. In other words, you know, instead of actually
I mean you look at the facts obviously of the case,
and you know, of course we didn't see the whole trial.
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I mean we don't, you know, and of course there
it wasn't broadcasting. We don't have no live account of
what the testimony was. We just pretty much have the
summary of it. I mean, considering that, but I mean, yeah,
I mean I think that four years and two months,
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under the circumstances, I believe it was a bit much.
You think it's a bit much, Yeah, I mean, what's
the reasoning? Well, I mean I think that the first
of all, I mean, when you're talking about the two
counts of the you know, bringing someone across state lines
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for the purpose for the purpose of having sexual illegal
sexual activity, then the question is who was he bringing
across state line? Was he bringing the sex workers across
state line? Was he bringing Cassie across state line? Or
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some of the so called alleged victims, I mean, who
was he bringing across state lines? I think that this
was kind of one of those cases where I think
ultimately we found out that there was a significant degree
of overreaching with regards to the way that they were
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trying to prosecute the case and some of the allegations.
Because obviously, with the most three of the most serious cases,
and that's about one of the smaller things that you
can actually got convicted of and it was almost like,
I mean, what was and I don't we don't know though,
I mean, I'm just speculating, but I'm just it's based
upon what I see, and I mean based the purpose
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of sentencing is primarily not necessarily to punish, but rehabilitate.
And for me, I think that what I saw from
the judge in this particular case, in my opinion, was
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there's you know, it seemed like the judge definitely had
some issues with Diddy. It's hard for me to believe
that this is the most egregious case that he's ever
seen setting in on a federal bench. And the reason
why I say that he showed his hand about how
he felt about Ditty was the fact that they did
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not allow him to post bail.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I mean that first he was he was willing to
give five hundred million dollars to post bail, which I
think is more than reasonable. And then he comes out
and he starts talking about I mean, it just seemed
to me like there was some degree of him being personal,
of it being personal.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
In my opinion, I understand that, and I think that
one of the things that in discussions with like my
friends and our discussions on the case, one thing that
consistently came up was other situations outside of what he
was actually being tried for and what he was actually like,
you know, what the case was about. You know, people
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were bringing up like the video of him beating cast
up in the hotel and stuff like that, and it
was the emotional aspects of everything like that. I do
think that, whether people want to acknowledge it or not,
that did bleed into the case. I do think that
if you talk about, like, you know, the judge and
like the being an extra durer that I feel like
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it's so hard not to get influenced by somebody of
that with that level of profile and that level of
just like you know, media, just discussion, you know. And
I think that that's been a big thing that I've seen.
And when you actually look at the facts of the case,
there are some things where you know, clearly it seems
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like Diddy is a terrible human being, But there's certain
things where it's just like from a legal standpoint, there's
some gray areas and some things that you would have
to figure out, like is this technically wrong? Is this
is this situation exactly prostitution and trafficking? Like how much
of this, you know, was people participating and then you
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know people are saying, well, no, this actually is what happened,
and you like you should feel this way, like it
was a lot of that going on. So I do
understand the idea of you know, him maybe getting more time,
you thinking that him getting was what he got was severe.
But I don't know, it's really tough, Like I can't
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really really call it. I will say that I was
gonna ask you, like, what do you think is the
earliest he could come home? So, I mean, he got
the four years, they say, he's already got fourteen in
is there like is he could he come home from
good behavior or could he go to a halfway house
or could he go to like anything like that.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I think under the federal federal government you can kind
of get some degree some early release. It's not really
significant the difference between the federal court and state courses.
You know, in state course, you get good time, like
for example, you have to do in some cases you
do fifty percent, in some cases you do, you know,
eighty percent, eighty five percent, at least in this state
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and probably in most in most states. However, in the
federal government, what you get, that's typically what you get
what you did, Okay, you know, so if he gets
he's probably gonna have to do close to one hundred
percent of the amount of time that he was he
was sentenced to. I think that also one of the
things that you mentioned that a judge can can consider
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is the psychological impact of the alleged victims. In the case,
there's this belief that he calls significant trauma, uh to
you know, to his to his ex girlfriend. I'm assuming
he's talking about Cassie, and so, you know, it's kind
of one of those things. And I had a discussion
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with this yesterday. What's interesting about I mean, it's kind
of like that, you know, it's hard to balance the
idea of of you know, this type of crime because
clearly she was in a relationship for for a very
long period of time and some of and when you
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speak to some of the sex workers or male prostitutes
or whatever you want to call them, and you talk
about a little bit about you know, some of what
you know Cassie stated because she they were both getting
high and they were both you know, you know, on
drugs and stuff like that. So you know, I try
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to be from an empathetic perspective. I mean, I'm saying, like,
what if Cassie was a relative of mine, you know,
how would I feel about what had taken place? I mean,
I do have some degree and I mean honestly a
significant degree of empathy and sympathy for Cassie and maybe
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some of the other people. But Cassie really, honestly is
the only one I really know about, yes, And so
I mean I think that what kind of you know,
becomes problematic, and I think it actually became problematic for
the prosecution in there. In this case. I really believe
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that the jury basically through the prosecution the bone. I
don't think that the prosecution was one hundred percent offended
by considering the significance of what he was really being charged,
because you got to remember how this all started, Like
they had tanks and everything, you know what I mean,
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they had an army going to his house. And this
is basically on a state level. It was almost like
a pimping charge or a pandering charge, and you know,
pimping and pandering in many places like a misdemeanor. So
it's not you know, it's not unless you had a
victim who was you know, maybe kidnapped or something a
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little bit more egregious because she was in a relationship
with him, I think, to a certain degree willingly, I
think that she was young. I think she was very vulnerable.
I think he was much older. I think that he
basically he was in a position of power. I think
that he was in a situation where he clearly had
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the ability to manipulate her, and a lot of what
she was doing was the result of manipulation. But on
the other hand, you know, how far do we go
with that? I mean, I think the message has to
be this. The message for me has to be that nobody,
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whether you're a man or whether you're a woman, should
be put in a position where you're using your power
to get people to do things that they don't want
to do. Right, But then it becomes real shaky because
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then it's like, if someone does something that they don't
want to do under the belief that this is going
to put them in a particular position, then it becomes
kind of weird, you know what I mean? You know
what I mean. So, in other words, if someone's holding
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something like for example, if you're being if someone says, hey,
I got these pictures of you, and if you don't
do this, I'm going to use these pictures of you.
Then I clearly I think that is wrong and I
think someone should be prosecuted heavily for something like that.
But if someone says, hey, you know, you know you
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want to be a star, you know what I mean,
I'm trying to make you a star. If you don't
want to be a star, then go ahead and go on.
You can do what you want to. You don't need
to be with me. You can go ahead and do
what you want to. But if you want to be
a star, then I can make you a star. Then
that's where it becomes kind of gray, you know what
I mean, It really does, because it's like a lot
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of people enter in to situations with this is you know,
because a lot you know, especially an older man with
power or often with women that they normally wouldn't be
with had it not been for their money and power.
So you know, it's kind of like and so the
question is was it one of those situations? You know?
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And and that's the problem with this case is a
lot of it. I don't think we really got a
lot of information. I think a lot of information that
we got are like people who used to be bodyguards.
Summaries of testimony. You know, it wasn't like live like
the O. J. Simpsonate case, where you can look at
the you know, look at the testimony and because I
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mean even when you hear some of the things, it's
kind of like secondhand information and there's not really you know,
I haven't seen the transcripts of a lot of the
testimony either, So it's just kind of one of those
those those real weird cases.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
For sure, for sure, to lean a little bit away
from the case for a second. We're fast forwarding, you know,
four years from now. How do you think black culture,
hip hop culture specifically embraces him, retreats, and when he's
back on the streets. Do you think that it's like,
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you know, he just goes and started, like you know
Bill Cosby, where he's out of jail and he just started.
We just know he's out somewhere like doing what he's doing.
Or do you think that he's able to you know,
maneuver around and host things and participate again, do you
think that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I think we need to get ready for the bad
boy come back to him. That's what I think.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
I can't even fathom that.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I think that. I think that basically, I think so
too when he comes back. I think that he's going
to come back, and I think he's already planning to,
you know, get back to work he was, and and
and figure out a way that he can. Ye, I'm
sure that his publicist and everybody else has gotten together
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and try to figure out ways that he can get
back and try to find himself, you know, back on top.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I mean the thing is that of you know, everybody,
not everybody, but what you can't take away from him
is he's a visionary and he's obviously a hard working
type of dude.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I mean, he's definitely important to the story of you know,
hip hop culture specifically, right one thousand is I just like,
I'm just very curious as to how he's gonna be received. Yeah,
I mean, I just I can't. There's no way I
can imagine watching the BT Awards in four years and
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did he is like a front row you know what
I'm saying, And they're like and and we're just acting
like nothing happened, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Like, I can't.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I can't fathom that because We've seen people get out
of jail, get out of situations and be back, but
they're never really celebrated, you know.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
With him, he's been very instrumental in.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
A lot of things, from music to fashion, to marketing
to all these things, you know, liquor. I'm just curious if, like,
because I've already seen on some level people kind of
prepared for him to kind of be back in the
midst of things. And I think there's a rumor that
said that, like there was already some type of speaking
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engagement if he got out, you know, people that got
off completely and walked off, walked out.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
I think there's a lane form. I mean, right now, I.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Think there is a lane form. I just think it's
one we shouldn't go down.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Yeah, that's the thing, right I think.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I think because there's a lane for a lot of things,
it's a lane for a lot of things to exist.
And he get one thousand percent start a YouTube channel started,
you know whatever, and really just build that whatever he
wants it to be. But it's like, I don't know
if I think that this is an example where us
as a black community should really choose to start to
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filter out this type of behavior.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I think that what the problem, of course, in this
particular case, and I think that I think part of
it had to do with the prosecution in this particular case.
I mean, of course we saw you know, Mike Tyson.
We forget that he went to prison for rape, and
you know, I think that what's happening to Tupac Shakur. Absolutely,
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that's so true. I forgot about that. But I think
and I don't even think that Tupac ever, did he
ever really get that? Did they did he got out
on bail? Did they even try that case?
Speaker 8 (27:49):
I don't even remember. He definitely went to prison for.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
It, right, And so this is this is what I
see with the way that they prosecuted the case, is
that they prosecuted the case in a way in which
it seemed like he was being targeted. And I think
that's the mistake and that they made. Is that now
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when you set back and you think, okay, he was
like you had all these people they thought Diddy was
through for sure, like some of these bodyguards you see,
they're not even having their little podcast anymore. Sure because
now he didn't get They thought he was going to
go away for the rest of his life. But the
fact that this happened and the only guy, and and
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you know, it was so weak. And I think any
legal analysis of what he was being accused of and
coming out like this is really a huge victory for
him for sure. And so I think that whenever you
go after somebody with both barrels and in the final
analysis they end up getting out with something like this,
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it's like you just waste the taxpayers money. You was
like really gunning after somebody, just trying to get something. Uh.
And and this I'm telling you, this is my opinion,
is I really believe that whoever decided to go after him,
whoever made that decision, it was personal. I mean I
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don't I don't see where. And it's always like all
these cases was what was crazy. It's like, let's just
say R Kelly, Okay, people probably gonna get mad at
me for saying this. I mean, everybody knew R Kelly
like little Girls for a while. I mean, you know
what I mean. I mean we always knew R Kelly
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had this issue. And same way with the issue with
with you know, Bill Cosby. I mean, these always seemed
like they they're very similar both in some of the
allegations of them being you know, going after women, and
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they were also kind of similar in that they were
they were stale. Yeah, and it was almost like, you know,
they pick and choose the time to go after these individuals.
You know, it's like, you know, you hold something over somebody,
and it's it's almost like once a person get to
a certain point, then it's like you're nitpicking. You're not.
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It wasn't like you're not. It's almost like you're not
moved by the crime, You're moved by the time.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Oh yeah, that's that's definitely a thing, you know.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
What I mean. And so to me, I think that's
kind of where you know, I mean, I get it,
you don't. Nobody should be above the law and everybody,
anybody and everybody should be held accountable for egregious conduct.
Right Yeah. But it's but you know, I mean some
of the stuff tends to be a little you know,
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you know, methodical when they determined to go after certain
people for certain things, and you know, I mean and
plus I mean, I mean they said something they said everybody,
you know, all this stuff was gonna come out and
Hollywood is really quiet, and who's going to be next?
And it's the worst thing, and you notice people leaving
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the country and you know all this and it's like
this big old balloon and then all of a sudden,
all the area just comes out of it and it's nothing.
And that's why he's gonna be able to take advantage
of it, because you know, you know how everybody's like,
you know, man, it's gonna be big. You know, all
these you know, Hollywood's quiet people are leaving the country,
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and it was real hyped every day. You know, you had,
you know, all these people who knew him that were
coming out, they were saying certain things about them, and
then you know the next thing, you know, I mean,
Tyler Perry could be next. You just never know. So
I mean that's kind of you know. I think for me,
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the reason I have this kind of taste in my
mouth about the justice system is that basically is very selective.
That's the problem I have is that everybody, I know
that everybody is not treated the same. I can assure
you if it wasn't Sean Diddy Combs and the same
thing happened, I don't think they would have given them
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that kind of time for those types of convictions. And
in my opinion, you know, that's what I think, and
I think that's where it kind of falls off a
little bit for me, is that I know that as
a community, and I understand you're saying that basically we
need to be careful about the people that we support
as a community, and you know that that is understandable. However,
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I just feel like that, you know, it seems to
be a little bit problematic sometimes with the way that
the justice system kind of goes after certain people. And
to sit there and see, you know, I wasn't in
this trial. I wasn't in court, and I can't speak
on everything about this, but I can just tell I've
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been in I've done federal court cases, I've done federal trials,
I've done you know, a lot of state trials, and
also I've been on the prosecution level of it as
a police officer, and so I can just tell you
that clearly, when it comes to the way that people
are treated, they don't go after everybody the same. When
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it comes to the during the way that judges do
cases and make decisions and treat certain people and certain parties,
it's different, you know. And so you know, which is
why we have the Racial Justice Act, because they realize
statistically that it's just it's not by accident that certain
people are getting you know, certain types of charges you know,
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against them while other people And I can just see
it with my own eyes, where other people aren't being
pursued the same way that maybe somebody else is being pursued.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Absolutely, absolutely, I just it's definitely a tough line to
stand on because it's it's it's one it's this fight
fight for equality, but also this fight against degeneracy, and
it's like, you know, we want everybody to get treated equally,
but we also want to say, hey, I don't want
to stand by these people doing these things too, because
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you're right, it is a sign of the times.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
You look at, uh, somebody.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Like, uh, what's my man Hugh Hefner, Right, the Hugh
Heffner I did and Playboy and all that stuff was
something that was celebrated, right, so heavily, you know, seventies,
eighties and nineties, two thousands. But now people look at
that situation and they're like, uh, he was this old
guy that you know, had these eighteen nineteen year old
girls living with him in this mansion and being in
the grotto, and like they're like, Okay, that was kind
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of creepy, and like time change is what that looks like.
You know, even the thing with unfortunately, like the Bill
Cosby situation, like there, if you go back and look
at media in that time, the idea of like drugs
and drugging people in general was way less of a
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severe thing.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
And it's so crazy.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I saw something that people were just talking about, like yeah,
putting a mickey in their drink or something like that,
and it was so casual and it's like the perception
of that changed over time, you know. So it's like
it's so crazy to see how these things change. And
it's like this hard line between you know, what they
were doing was wrong and they should have been you know,
(35:55):
faced the consequences for that, and you know, it's also
twenty years later and there's been other people who have
done things and then they're not getting in trouble, but
these people over here is getting in trouble. And it's
just a hard just like cycle, I'm trying to figure
out exactly where you should stand. But at the end
of the day, once again, no matter if you're black
(36:16):
and if I've been a fan of you before, if
you're doing the wrong thing. I don't want to you
shouldn't still be celebrated in that regard. So that's where
I stand. And you know, even if there's unfair and
I see the other side and not getting persecuted that
same way, I think I have to stand on the
side of just the right thing regardless and hope that
(36:36):
one day it's it, you know, fleshes itself out.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I mean, what's interesting about it? And and as I
you know, get older and realize that everybody, this is
the way I say it. It's like I think that
everybody is can get some In other words, I think
(37:01):
that if a person chooses to go after someone, let's
just say, once you become a target, I think they
can always find something on someone, because I think everybody's
got skeletons in the closet. And so, you know, we
(37:22):
found that out with with the co and tel Pro
and Jay Age Hoover, like some of the things that
came out, you know, with regards to doctor King, you know,
and the fact that he basically was having enough having affairs,
and you know, the whole idea was to just you know, uh,
(37:42):
tarnish his legacy and who he was, and you know,
and so anybody can do that nowadays. I mean, there's
always something and if you go back far enough, you know,
it's like the simplest things that you can get a
person for now because everybody makes so many miss you know,
(38:03):
make mistakes, and so I'm always careful about, you know,
like Shannon Sharp situation, you know what I mean, where
you know, because everybody's always got these things in their
clause that if you look, you know, close enough and
far enough, or people can can take the smallest thing
and make them make them huge. And so that's the
(38:24):
why I don't have a lot of I've just you know,
when you see the way that they go after in
the same way with Tyler Perry, I'm sure that they
if he was in their sights, they could probably destroy him.
They could take everything away from him because they would
be able to go in and say, you know, he
did this or he did that, because you know, when
(38:47):
the lights are off, you know, I mean, these people
aren't profits, you know what I mean, They're human beings,
and human beings make mistakes. And you know, once you
get your cross hairs on somebody, all you have to
do is go out and look for their mistakes.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
It's already kind of happened.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
I think earlier this year there are some text messages
that came back between him and I'm sorry. So there's
some text messages that came out out between him and
one of the people that was on one of his shows,
and it was like, you know, this conversation about sexual
harassment and stuff like that, and like he said, all
it takes is you know, a few people to pry into,
(39:30):
you know, what the show dynamics have been and all
that stuff, and it could be different.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
Speaking of that, I mean, it's just like the president, yeah,
you know what I mean. It's just like though his
supporters and I'm I mean, there's a lot of people
who don't claim them anymore that I think still support
them for sure, you know what I mean. And the
fact that there's nothing that any of these people probably
(39:58):
did that he hasn't done, and they're gonna support them anyway. Yeah,
you see what I mean. And so I think that
it just brings you back to the whole idea of
how much how serious is this? You know what I mean.
It's like when you think about you know, it's like
(40:19):
as a kid growing up, I was hundred and ten
percent believer in the ultimate justice. I mean, I'm still
believe in the ultimate justice, which is not And when
I say ultimate justice, I'm not talking about spiritually. I'm
talking about in this country. I always felt like, you know, hey,
there's justice, and I believed in the Constitution and I
(40:42):
believe that these people who were put in positions of
power were there to do the right thing. But it's
not true. And I think that you know now that
it's on Front Street. You know, when you look at
our president right, that would take the app Now, how
(41:03):
serious can you take justice? You know what I mean?
Makes you question everything, It makes you question everything. So
it's like, I mean, how bad is Diddy? And when
you compare him to the press, and it's like, now
you know, it's it's like, it's really disheartening to be honest.
(41:24):
I mean, here you got a guy that got convicted
of thirty four felonies that ain't been sentenced yet. He
should get You think he's gonna get five years, of course,
you know what I mean. So he should be the example.
But it clearly shows you that the injustice that we
have in this country. Now he's been convicted of felonies,
(41:45):
his wife is not a US citizen. However, he's committed
to getting rid of felons and immigrants, you see what
I mean. And we're still rolling with that because it's
like sometimes we catch ourselves in our belief in our system.
But then when you look at that, then I think
(42:08):
he is he exemplifies America more than anything. And that's sad.
It's like, you know what I mean, like everything you
know what they say, everything in the dark comes to light.
That's he exemplifies that, everything in the dark comes to light.
So finally it really comes out. I mean a lot
(42:29):
of people, it's like and then it's like finally they
get a chance to say, you know, how they really
you know, you know, thank God, I really know how
you really feel about me? Yeah, you see what I mean.
And I mean I think that we're seeing that. So
I think that when you go back and you think about,
you know, it makes you look at justice differently. It is,
I mean, what I feel different about this If Barack
(42:50):
Obama was still the president, probably, yeah, I think we
had a different I mean we were mad about the
way they would treat and the president obviously.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
I mean, here's the thing I think that everybody in
life can be honest about this. You will make excuses
for the people that you love and that you like.
It's just the honest to God truth about anything. If
somebody goes out and kills somebody kills an old lady,
you'll be oh, man, that's terrible. If your son or
daughter comes out and kills an old lady, the connection
(43:26):
and emotional what you will come up with from your head,
even if you're still upset with them and think they
should be, you know, punished, somehow, you'll look at it different.
You just will. And that's what we're seeing in this
country now. I think it's the most frustrating thing is
it's just so like you said, come into the light.
It's just so very much in front of us, as
(43:49):
clear as day, and there are so many people who
are just clearly choosing not to see what it's like,
what it is like, if it's coming into life, to
turn the lights back off so they don't have to
face what these things are, you know, like speaking to me,
like you know, I'm a writer, like seeing there's like
a section of comedy with like said like Joe Rogan
(44:12):
and a lot of the people like that who have
backtracked in recent months about oh, no, we didn't vote
for this, you did for this. This is very much
what was going on before all of this. Now it's
not popular. Now you're realizing that this is actually hurting
people that you care about, but you just didn't happen
(44:32):
to think that that was hurting them then.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
And it's just like it's very disheartened. It is.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
It is, Yeah, it is. And I think that this
kind of like, I mean, this is a smaller scale
on it. I guess you can say a smaller scale,
but I think that's why this kind of exemplifies these
types of actions and how should we respond to it
sort of speak. But I can tell you this right now,
I don't think. I think that if if Barack Obama
(45:00):
ended up doing the things that Trump did, black people
wouldn't support Barack Obama. No, there's no way if he
did any of that world, we would, we would hold
him to we would even hold him to a higher standard.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
We would and and and we can be honest about
this too. The way that he would be discussed in
media would make it so hard even if you wanted
to that it was like you'd feel so bad. And
that's what I'm saying, the media, the media still on
either side, doesn't really critique him as much as they
probably should for the things that he's done. If they
(45:34):
killed Barack Obama for wearing a tan suit on Easter
one day, you know what I'm saying, Like one year
they killed him over just like that's not professional and
all these things. So if he was out here doing
the same thing, they would it would be mayhem.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah, man, they would have. He would have went
to prison. He would have went to prison president for sure,
There's no question about it. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
And we're like black people are extremely loving.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
We always have. We probably been way more forgiving than
we should be as.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
A community and to some degree naive.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
And in some degree naive because we would hope that
these people wouldn't do these things, even though time and
time again it shows that just like with any situation,
any person given power and influence, it has the potential
to corrupt. And sometimes we believe because Bill Cosby had
this show that we loved and all these things that
(46:28):
he loved, that he Bill wouldn't do that, And it's like, no,
you gotta look at what things are for what they are,
even if this person has been a great influence in
your life, and like, you're right, like we are, we
have been naive to certain things. But even with that
being said, I think that I have still seen seen
us be able to say, yeah, yeah, he did that
(46:50):
in a way that I have not seen from the
other side.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
You're talking about with Bill, for example.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Bill for Bill for a stamp, But when it all
came out eventually was like, yeah, Bill was, Bill was
out here Wiley.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Yeah, you know. I mean, and again, like think about
Bill Clinton. Okay, So, I mean imagine if a black
president would have had an intern to do that in
the White House.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
Craziness, right, craziness.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
I mean, I mean seriously, yeah, so and and and
we everybody's still cool with Bill. Yeah, you know what
I mean. We still say he's the first black president.
Speaker 8 (47:25):
Yeah, people people turned.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
As much as it was something that got him impeached,
it's still it's still was something people kind of celebrated
and laughed. Man oh man, he was, you know, saying
he was an office doing that, Like yeah, I don't
think it goes that way.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
And that just shows you the double standard absolutely, like
like if if like we gave him a pass that
had Barack Obama or anybody else that happened to be
even a black senator would have done that, we would
have persecuted them, yeah, you know, I mean, we would
have just liked saying that's what he did. But you
(48:03):
know that that's our own to some degree, our own
internalized racism. Not to say that we should ever support
anybody that does something that's wrong. But the problem, of
course with life is is that everybody does something wrong, absolutely,
and and and and basically, you know, life is about
redemption and forgiveness. And you know, we tend to put
(48:25):
America on a pedestal, you know, because we we feel
like it's a perfect nation, and it's at and it's
the best nation in the world, and it's untouchable. And
to to a certain degree, a lot of that is true. However,
there are individ It's just like, for example, like the
general who came up and said that basically, we're sworn
(48:46):
to protect the Constitution, not to not to protect dictators, right,
and and the constitution has a perfect ideal, but it
but these individuals are far from perfect, you know what
I mean. I mean, you know, like it's just like
you go in front of the judge, and a judge
is trying to make decisions about you, and this person
(49:07):
is very flawed, right. They conduct this as if they're
like a perfect individual. And the problem is that you know,
man is always going to mess up power and and
and that's and that's the problem. I think, even when
it came to to Bill Cosby, I mean, you know,
I mean again you said something. You know, I'm not
(49:31):
here to necessarily defend Bill cause because I basically, you know,
people were very in the black community was very critical
of Bill in a way that he stayed on black
people about the way they acted. Oh sure, But at
the same time, I mean, the fact that a black,
a man, black, white, or otherwise is a rolling stone
(49:53):
is it shouldn't surprise anybody, you know what I mean,
It shouldn't surprise I mean, because there's so many things
you know that you know, when you turn over the stones.
There's a lot of people out there in our families.
There's a lot of people in there that are politicians.
There's a lot of people out there that we put
(50:14):
in such a high esteem and high regard that we
almost forget that they're human being and make mistakes, you
know what I mean? So you know, same way with Bill.
I mean, you know Studio fifty four days. You know
they used to you know we I mean I remember
back then as a kid, I mean like being in
elementary school or middle school and high school. High school,
(50:35):
people were talking about Spanish flying. Yeah, you know what
I mean I mean, and that was like they used
to you know, they used to sell it, didn't They
used to sell it in like magazines and stuff, and
so you know, I mean, it was it was. It
was a different time. Not to excuse the behavior, but
understanding that life is about forgiveness and the redemption. And
(50:57):
the reason why I say that life redemption and regis
and forgiveness is always a very important topic for me,
especially in this country, is that the only way, the
only way that America has an argument for being a
great nation is you would have to embrace the concept
(51:18):
of forgiveness and redemption. Because there's nothing more immoral than
what America did to African Americans and Native Americans. Nothing right,
and so the same you know, so when we say
when we look at the flag and we stand for
the flag, and we salute the flag, and we do
(51:40):
the pledge of llegiance, and you know, when we celebrate
our so called founding fathers and all these other things
who were slave owners. You know, nothing nobody else did
is worse than that. So to me, I think that
if you can't embrace the concept of forgiveness and redemption,
you definitely can't concept and breaks the concept of America
(52:02):
being a great justtination, you know what I mean. So
I think that's where kind of the hypocrisy, you know,
kind of comes in, uh, into the into the fold
of things. But you know, but your boy, man, he's
gonna be out there doing that diddy dance before it's over. Man,
we might be able to get him on the podcast.
Speaker 8 (52:20):
Now, Oh my god, let's let's not do that. Let's no.
I mean I was laughing.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
I was like him getting out kind of aligns with
like the next election cycle or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (52:33):
That's what if what is he pardons him? Wouldn't that
be crazy? Why not?
Speaker 8 (52:44):
That's actually crazy, because that.
Speaker 7 (52:45):
Would be absolutely crazy. That's actually a federal offense. And
he could because he I mean, because he just think
about this, he basically posthumorously uh pardon Jack Johnson for
the Man Act. Can you imagine if he did that
(53:06):
for Diddy.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
And he's also had a you know, from a rappers standpoint,
he parted, he parted, Yeah, he partoned Lil Wayne last cycle,
and he parted Kodak Black, who also had like some
things going on. And it's like he's he does that
with the intent of, Hey, black community, look what I'm
doing for you. I'm giving you your heroes, letting them
(53:30):
be free again. So that's actually a very interesting take
that I would not be surprised if it happened.
Speaker 8 (53:38):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
Yeah, that I mean, it wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me, man,
you know. I mean, we've had what I had a
guy that was on the show that ended up getting
pardoned by Trump. Not too I guess it's we We
actually had him on to His name was Waynsworth Hall
(54:03):
and Rainsworth Hall was supposedly a drug kingpin and they
called him Waynsworth Unique Hall, good guy, good friend of mine,
and he was. He was released after twenty six years.
He had a life sentence and Trump let him go. Yeah,
(54:27):
So I mean it would be that would really throw
and honestly it would be a good move for him
if he did. I mean, it wouldn't hurt him. Yeah,
you know what I mean. I mean, you know, it
definitely wouldn't hurt him. I'd be crazy, right because you know,
(54:47):
Diddy did kind of go off on him a little bit.
But I think if can you imagine if Diddy gets
out man and starts doing the Diddy dance with the
President at a press conference.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
Because going back to what I just said though, when
he did do that with Lil Wayne and card that Black,
a major part of that was them taking pictures with him,
shaking hands like hey, the Trump platinum, playing like he's
going to get something.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
Out of it.
Speaker 7 (55:12):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (55:12):
Absolutely, So Diddy would definitely be there.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Oh man, look at what Trump did for my life,
and like he would definitely do that. So I mean,
it's definitely a two way street.
Speaker 7 (55:21):
But he'd be wearing Maga had him that because it
would and it was, like I said, it wouldn't surprise me.
Like I said, the man act, I mean, if he
if he I mean, what do you what's the what's
the chances here? You got Jack Johnson, who was probably
the most criticized polarizing black man of the nineteen twenties,
(55:44):
who was knocking out all kinds of white boxers marrying
white women dressing in p Diddy outfits, right, Yeah, And
you know what I mean, he gets he gets convicted
of a man that's all these years, then you have
President Trump to pardon him. I mean that. I mean,
(56:09):
I don't know what goes up in his head. I
don't know if he's somebody's advising him to do that,
but you know, it throws a monkey wrench in the
program to a certain extent, you know, so that that
would be absolutely crazy, man, it would be crazy. But
either way, I mean, I mean what he's as far
as Diddy is concerned, I mean he basically I mean
(56:30):
four years. Third, I mean he got four years, He's
got three more years to go. He probably can I
think that basically there is a possibility for him to
go to some sort of halfway house or something after
six months left on his sentence, so he may have
to do twenty something thirty months, maybe he might be
able to get out or again maybe pardon. But considering
(56:52):
you getting you, I mean, it looks like a lot
until you look at what you could have got. Yeah,
ten years is a long saving you. Sixteen years is
a long time, A.
Speaker 8 (57:03):
Long time, you know. I thought it was gonna be
much worse with.
Speaker 7 (57:07):
I did tell like I thought it was gonna be
closer to eleven when I was.
Speaker 8 (57:13):
Gonna be at least ten for sure.
Speaker 6 (57:14):
Yeah, Like I really did think it was gonna be
at least ten, where like we're really seeing him probably
be gone for a while to when he comes out,
it's some level of like unrecognizable. He's gonna come out,
and he's gonna be sudden, you know, Like I don't
know how these I think he's fifty something, he'll still
be in his fifties, you know, like he's not gonna
be so like it's been in jail so long that
(57:36):
he comes out, we don't know. Oh man, he's got
gray hair, Like it's not.
Speaker 8 (57:40):
Gonna be that.
Speaker 6 (57:41):
So you know, I don't know, man, It's a very
interesting thing.
Speaker 7 (57:46):
But yeah, I mean people might soften up to him
a little bit after this. I know he's gonna try
to change. He'll figure figure out some way to parlay
this into something that's profitable.
Speaker 8 (57:58):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (57:59):
You know, there's no question about it.
Speaker 6 (58:02):
Like I said, I just want to, Like, I think
I'm more interested in seeing like because, like you said,
a lot of people who thought that he was gonna
go away for a while and sort of like shut.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Up, like I wonder, like I think he gets out
and he's on the straightened arrow.
Speaker 6 (58:17):
I don't think that he's gonna be back out doing
what he was doing before for sure, but it.
Speaker 8 (58:21):
Still is like you know he was.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I mean, he's gonna have to see these people in
some place, like these security guards and all these artists
in sort of like back back the way. Are they
gonna come out and be like, hey man, we're sorry,
Like what is it gonna be?
Speaker 8 (58:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (58:35):
Is he going to have what's the name of the
therapist is Van?
Speaker 8 (58:41):
I know you're talking about it starts with an eye.
I know you're talking about that.
Speaker 7 (58:47):
Yeah, they're gonna have a show where it's life. Yeah,
changed his life story. He's gonna be sitting in there, man,
trying to get itself straight, kids and family and you know,
talking about the incident.
Speaker 8 (58:59):
The worst part.
Speaker 7 (59:00):
As people will watch, Oh yeah, absolutely, he would definitely watch.
Oh definitely, people will watch. Man. Anyway, it's a lot.
I'm looking forward to it to see what's gonna happen.
And I'm actually looking forward to that, pardon to be
honest with you.
Speaker 8 (59:16):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (59:18):
We'll see all right. We'll appreciate everybody tuning in for
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Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorney's Ali. I am Attorney Zulu Ali with
a Justice Watch crew, Rosen Nunas, Michael blau Clark, doctor Kilbashir,
Andrew Rodeman, and Ryan Rhodes. This week, like every week,
we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice issues that
are impacting our communities. This week, we're going to start
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out talking about the sentencing with Sean Diddy Combs that
was on on Friday. Actually, so, what's up with your boy?
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I told you he needs to be I mean, I
know he's probably not happy about it, but he needs
to be thankful. I think, yeah, I think he needs
to be super thankful. You can have a break down
exactly what everything's gonna look like for him. But I
definitely thought it was going to be longer than what
he got for sure.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I mean, so yeah, I mean basically just to recap,
I mean, what he was, what he was found guilty of.
I mean, I think there was five charges, three of
the most serious charge or just with your human trafficking
related type of cases he was acquitted of, and he
was ultimately found guilty of basically, uh, transportation, transportation for sex.
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It's kind of what they call it, but actually it's
called the Man Act. And the Man Act has been
around since I believe, like nineteen eighteen, and it was
used to convict Jack Johnson because you remember Jack Johnson,
a boxer, you know, he was you know, because he
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primarily obviously was in relationships with with with white women.
And actually that's how they referred to it as the
White Slavery Act. And then he ended up, you know,
getting convicted of that. They got r. Kelly, you know,
with a similar conviction, and they ended up you know,
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with him getting convicted for that too. And so what's interesting.
Basically it's basically the Man Act or White Slave Tract Act,
which is codified under eighteen US C or US Code
twenty four to twenty one. It's a fail ney to
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knowingly transport any individual and interstate of foreign comers for
the purpose of prostitution or any other illegal sexual activity. Okay,
so it's kind of like one of those, at least
to a certain degree, kind of vague because it says
illegal sexual activity and you know that ended of itself
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without you know, I'm not going to go into you know,
really you know, Shitty had been found guilty and the
details of what he was actually you know, the specific acts.
But at any rate, this is kind of those The
Man Act carries a potential tenure prison sentence. So he
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was convicted of two counts of the Man Act, so
technically he could have gotten twenty years, wow, right for
each for each one. So I mean, like you said,
I mean, he clearly didn't get as much time as
he could have gotten. But you know, the prosecution was
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basically wanted to give him eleven years. And so what happens, man,
when you get convicted of a federal offense, They send
it out for you know, what they call a sentencing
report to probation, and probation looks into, you know, the background,
the interview the defendant, and then ultimately they write this
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report and they give their sentencing recommendation, which is only
a recommendation, but it's not, you know, something that the
judge has to follow. But at any rate, I believe
the recommendation that was given was like somewhere between somewhere
in the neighborhood of seven years. And then the defensive
course felt you know, they were asking for a minimum
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of fourteen months. Obviously, because he'd been in there for
fourteen months, the judge could have given could actually have
given him probation probably, I don't know if you're allowed
to give probation certain offenses. You can't give probation, but
I believe in this particular case they could have. And
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the things that they're actually that they consider when it
comes to sentencing is the nature and circumstances of the offense,
such as the severity and impact on of victims, the
defendant's criminal history and characteristics. The judge then they have
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to balance the objective of, you know, the goals of sentencing,
which is basically to uh, the serious of the offense,
the you know, the needs of rehabilitation, no sort of things,
the victim impact because oftentimes I believe there was victim
impact statements. I don't know if they did them live
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or if they wrote victim impact statements and and that
sort of thing. So when you know, Judge Subramanian considered
his the what he said he considered was the history
of abusing power, the impact on the victims, is criminal
history alongside his contributions to society, devotion of family, childhood struggles.
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And while he was acquitted on sex trafficking and racketeering,
the judge considered the testimony regarding these alleged alleged acts
to emphasize the gravity of the violence and to send
a message of accountability for abuse. He also considered the
recommendations for the federal sentencing guidelines and the prosecution's call
for a significant sentence due to Coombe's unrepentant behavior and
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defenses requests for a much higher or much lighter sentence.
So he ultimately gave him, you know, fifty months. I think,
like I said, he's been in there for for fourteen months. Yeah,
I think the probation Department recommended seven years and three months.
So so, I mean, you know, he definitely in light
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of what he could have gotten. You know, when you
look at twenty years, four years and two months doesn't
look that bad, yeah, you know, and what he got
fourteen months in which but that puts in one about
another three years. But I believe that what happens is,
I know, they're appealing the case, and part of the
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appeal is that the prosecutor, I mean, the defense team
said that you know, he ultimately ended up being the
thirteenth juror. In other words, you know, instead of actually
I mean you look at the facts obviously of the case,
and you know, of course we didn't see the whole trial.
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I mean we don't, you know, and of course there
it wasn't broadcasting. We don't have no live account of
what the testimony was. We just pretty much have the
summary of it. I mean, considering that, but I mean, yeah,
I mean I think that four years and two months,
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under the circumstances, I believe it was a bit much.
You think it's a bit much, Yeah, I mean, what's
the reasoning? Well, I mean I think that the first
of all, I mean, when you're talking about the two
counts of the you know, bringing someone across state lines
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for the purpose for the purpose of having sexual illegal
sexual activity, then the question is who was he bringing
across state line? Was he bringing the sex workers across
state line? Was he bringing Cassie across state line? Or
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some of the so called alleged victims, I mean, who
was he bringing across state lines? I think that this
was kind of one of those cases where I think
ultimately we found out that there was a significant degree
of overreaching with regards to the way that they were
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trying to prosecute the case and some of the allegations.
Because obviously, with the most three of the most serious cases,
and that's about one of the smaller things that you
can actually got convicted of and it was almost like,
I mean, what was and I don't we don't know though,
I mean, I'm just speculating, but I'm just it's based
upon what I see, and I mean based the purpose
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of sentencing is primarily not necessarily to punish, but rehabilitate.
And for me, I think that what I saw from
the judge in this particular case, in my opinion, was
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there's you know, it seemed like the judge definitely had
some issues with Diddy. It's hard for me to believe
that this is the most egregious case that he's ever
seen setting in on a federal bench. And the reason
why I say that he showed his hand about how
he felt about Ditty was the fact that they did
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not allow him to post bail.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I mean that first he was he was willing to
give five hundred million dollars to post bail, which I
think is more than reasonable. And then he comes out
and he starts talking about I mean, it just seemed
to me like there was some degree of him being personal,
of it being personal.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
In my opinion, I understand that, and I think that
one of the things that in discussions with like my
friends and our discussions on the case, one thing that
consistently came up was other situations outside of what he
was actually being tried for and what he was actually like,
you know, what the case was about. You know, people
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were bringing up like the video of him beating cast
up in the hotel and stuff like that, and it
was the emotional aspects of everything like that. I do
think that, whether people want to acknowledge it or not,
that did bleed into the case. I do think that
if you talk about, like, you know, the judge and
like the being an extra durer that I feel like
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it's so hard not to get influenced by somebody of
that with that level of profile and that level of
just like you know, media, just discussion, you know. And
I think that that's been a big thing that I've seen.
And when you actually look at the facts of the case,
there are some things where you know, clearly it seems
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like Diddy is a terrible human being, But there's certain
things where it's just like from a legal standpoint, there's
some gray areas and some things that you would have
to figure out, like is this technically wrong? Is this
is this situation exactly prostitution and trafficking? Like how much
of this, you know, was people participating and then you
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know people are saying, well, no, this actually is what happened,
and you like you should feel this way, like it
was a lot of that going on. So I do
understand the idea of you know, him maybe getting more time,
you thinking that him getting was what he got was severe.
But I don't know, it's really tough, Like I can't
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really really call it. I will say that I was
gonna ask you, like, what do you think is the
earliest he could come home? So, I mean, he got
the four years, they say, he's already got fourteen in
is there like is he could he come home from
good behavior or could he go to a halfway house
or could he go to like anything like that.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I think under the federal federal government you can kind
of get some degree some early release. It's not really
significant the difference between the federal court and state courses.
You know, in state course, you get good time, like
for example, you have to do in some cases you
do fifty percent, in some cases you do, you know,
eighty percent, eighty five percent, at least in this state
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and probably in most in most states. However, in the
federal government, what you get, that's typically what you get
what you did, Okay, you know, so if he gets
he's probably gonna have to do close to one hundred
percent of the amount of time that he was he
was sentenced to. I think that also one of the
things that you mentioned that a judge can can consider
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is the psychological impact of the alleged victims. In the case,
there's this belief that he calls significant trauma, uh to
you know, to his to his ex girlfriend. I'm assuming
he's talking about Cassie, and so, you know, it's kind
of one of those things. And I had a discussion
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with this yesterday. What's interesting about I mean, it's kind
of like that, you know, it's hard to balance the
idea of of you know, this type of crime because
clearly she was in a relationship for for a very
long period of time and some of and when you
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speak to some of the sex workers or male prostitutes
or whatever you want to call them, and you talk
about a little bit about you know, some of what
you know Cassie stated because she they were both getting
high and they were both you know, you know, on
drugs and stuff like that. So you know, I try
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to be from an empathetic perspective. I mean, I'm saying, like,
what if Cassie was a relative of mine, you know,
how would I feel about what had taken place? I mean,
I do have some degree and I mean honestly a
significant degree of empathy and sympathy for Cassie and maybe
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some of the other people. But Cassie really, honestly is
the only one I really know about, yes, And so
I mean I think that what kind of you know,
becomes problematic, and I think it actually became problematic for
the prosecution in there. In this case. I really believe
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that the jury basically through the prosecution the bone. I
don't think that the prosecution was one hundred percent offended
by considering the significance of what he was really being charged,
because you got to remember how this all started, Like
they had tanks and everything, you know what I mean,
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they had an army going to his house. And this
is basically on a state level. It was almost like
a pimping charge or a pandering charge, and you know,
pimping and pandering in many places like a misdemeanor. So
it's not you know, it's not unless you had a
victim who was you know, maybe kidnapped or something a
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little bit more egregious because she was in a relationship
with him, I think, to a certain degree willingly, I
think that she was young. I think she was very vulnerable.
I think he was much older. I think that he
basically he was in a position of power. I think
that he was in a situation where he clearly had
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the ability to manipulate her, and a lot of what
she was doing was the result of manipulation. But on
the other hand, you know, how far do we go
with that? I mean, I think the message has to
be this. The message for me has to be that nobody,
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whether you're a man or whether you're a woman, should
be put in a position where you're using your power
to get people to do things that they don't want
to do. Right, But then it becomes real shaky because
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then it's like, if someone does something that they don't
want to do under the belief that this is going
to put them in a particular position, then it becomes
kind of weird, you know what I mean? You know
what I mean. So, in other words, if someone's holding
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something like for example, if you're being if someone says, hey,
I got these pictures of you, and if you don't
do this, I'm going to use these pictures of you.
Then I clearly I think that is wrong and I
think someone should be prosecuted heavily for something like that.
But if someone says, hey, you know, you know you
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want to be a star, you know what I mean,
I'm trying to make you a star. If you don't
want to be a star, then go ahead and go on.
You can do what you want to. You don't need
to be with me. You can go ahead and do
what you want to. But if you want to be
a star, then I can make you a star. Then
that's where it becomes kind of gray, you know what
I mean, It really does, because it's like a lot
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of people enter in to situations with this is you know,
because a lot you know, especially an older man with
power or often with women that they normally wouldn't be
with had it not been for their money and power.
So you know, it's kind of like and so the
question is was it one of those situations? You know?
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And and that's the problem with this case is a
lot of it. I don't think we really got a
lot of information. I think a lot of information that
we got are like people who used to be bodyguards.
Summaries of testimony. You know, it wasn't like live like
the O. J. Simpsonate case, where you can look at
the you know, look at the testimony and because I
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mean even when you hear some of the things, it's
kind of like secondhand information and there's not really you know,
I haven't seen the transcripts of a lot of the
testimony either, So it's just kind of one of those
those those real weird cases.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
For sure, for sure, to lean a little bit away
from the case for a second. We're fast forwarding, you know,
four years from now. How do you think black culture,
hip hop culture specifically embraces him, retreats, and when he's
back on the streets. Do you think that it's like,
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you know, he just goes and started, like you know
Bill Cosby, where he's out of jail and he just started.
We just know he's out somewhere like doing what he's doing.
Or do you think that he's able to you know,
maneuver around and host things and participate again, do you
think that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I think we need to get ready for the bad
boy come back to him. That's what I think.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
I can't even fathom that.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I think that. I think that basically, I think so
too when he comes back. I think that he's going
to come back, and I think he's already planning to,
you know, get back to work he was, and and
and figure out a way that he can. Ye, I'm
sure that his publicist and everybody else has gotten together
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and try to figure out ways that he can get
back and try to find himself, you know, back on top.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I mean the thing is that of you know, everybody,
not everybody, but what you can't take away from him
is he's a visionary and he's obviously a hard working
type of dude.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I mean, he's definitely important to the story of you know,
hip hop culture specifically, right one thousand is I just like,
I'm just very curious as to how he's gonna be received. Yeah,
I mean, I just I can't. There's no way I
can imagine watching the BT Awards in four years and
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did he is like a front row you know what
I'm saying, And they're like and and we're just acting
like nothing happened, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Like, I can't.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I can't fathom that because We've seen people get out
of jail, get out of situations and be back, but
they're never really celebrated, you know.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
With him, he's been very instrumental in.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
A lot of things, from music to fashion, to marketing
to all these things, you know, liquor. I'm just curious if, like,
because I've already seen on some level people kind of
prepared for him to kind of be back in the
midst of things. And I think there's a rumor that
said that, like there was already some type of speaking
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engagement if he got out, you know, people that got
off completely and walked off, walked out.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
I think there's a lane form. I mean, right now, I.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Think there is a lane form. I just think it's
one we shouldn't go down.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Yeah, that's the thing, right I think.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I think because there's a lane for a lot of things,
it's a lane for a lot of things to exist.
And he get one thousand percent start a YouTube channel started,
you know whatever, and really just build that whatever he
wants it to be. But it's like, I don't know
if I think that this is an example where us
as a black community should really choose to start to
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filter out this type of behavior.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I think that what the problem, of course, in this
particular case, and I think that I think part of
it had to do with the prosecution in this particular case.
I mean, of course we saw you know, Mike Tyson.
We forget that he went to prison for rape, and
you know, I think that what's happening to Tupac Shakur. Absolutely,
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that's so true. I forgot about that. But I think
and I don't even think that Tupac ever, did he
ever really get that? Did they did he got out
on bail? Did they even try that case?
Speaker 8 (27:49):
I don't even remember. He definitely went to prison for.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
It, right, And so this is this is what I
see with the way that they prosecuted the case, is
that they prosecuted the case in a way in which
it seemed like he was being targeted. And I think
that's the mistake and that they made. Is that now
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when you set back and you think, okay, he was
like you had all these people they thought Diddy was
through for sure, like some of these bodyguards you see,
they're not even having their little podcast anymore. Sure because
now he didn't get They thought he was going to
go away for the rest of his life. But the
fact that this happened and the only guy, and and
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you know, it was so weak. And I think any
legal analysis of what he was being accused of and
coming out like this is really a huge victory for
him for sure. And so I think that whenever you
go after somebody with both barrels and in the final
analysis they end up getting out with something like this,
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it's like you just waste the taxpayers money. You was
like really gunning after somebody, just trying to get something. Uh.
And and this I'm telling you, this is my opinion,
is I really believe that whoever decided to go after him,
whoever made that decision, it was personal. I mean I
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don't I don't see where. And it's always like all
these cases was what was crazy. It's like, let's just
say R Kelly, Okay, people probably gonna get mad at
me for saying this. I mean, everybody knew R Kelly
like little Girls for a while. I mean, you know
what I mean. I mean we always knew R Kelly
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had this issue. And same way with the issue with
with you know, Bill Cosby. I mean, these always seemed
like they they're very similar both in some of the
allegations of them being you know, going after women, and
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they were also kind of similar in that they were
they were stale. Yeah, and it was almost like, you know,
they pick and choose the time to go after these individuals.
You know, it's like, you know, you hold something over somebody,
and it's it's almost like once a person get to
a certain point, then it's like you're nitpicking. You're not.
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It wasn't like you're not. It's almost like you're not
moved by the crime, You're moved by the time.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Oh yeah, that's that's definitely a thing, you know.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
What I mean. And so to me, I think that's
kind of where you know, I mean, I get it,
you don't. Nobody should be above the law and everybody,
anybody and everybody should be held accountable for egregious conduct.
Right Yeah. But it's but you know, I mean some
of the stuff tends to be a little you know,
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you know, methodical when they determined to go after certain
people for certain things, and you know, I mean and
plus I mean, I mean they said something they said everybody,
you know, all this stuff was gonna come out and
Hollywood is really quiet, and who's going to be next?
And it's the worst thing, and you notice people leaving
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the country and you know all this and it's like
this big old balloon and then all of a sudden,
all the area just comes out of it and it's nothing.
And that's why he's gonna be able to take advantage
of it, because you know, you know how everybody's like,
you know, man, it's gonna be big. You know, all
these you know, Hollywood's quiet people are leaving the country,
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and it was real hyped every day. You know, you had,
you know, all these people who knew him that were
coming out, they were saying certain things about them, and
then you know the next thing, you know, I mean,
Tyler Perry could be next. You just never know. So
I mean that's kind of you know. I think for me,
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the reason I have this kind of taste in my
mouth about the justice system is that basically is very selective.
That's the problem I have is that everybody, I know
that everybody is not treated the same. I can assure
you if it wasn't Sean Diddy Combs and the same
thing happened, I don't think they would have given them
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that kind of time for those types of convictions. And
in my opinion, you know, that's what I think, and
I think that's where it kind of falls off a
little bit for me, is that I know that as
a community, and I understand you're saying that basically we
need to be careful about the people that we support
as a community, and you know that that is understandable. However,
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I just feel like that, you know, it seems to
be a little bit problematic sometimes with the way that
the justice system kind of goes after certain people. And
to sit there and see, you know, I wasn't in
this trial. I wasn't in court, and I can't speak
on everything about this, but I can just tell I've
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been in I've done federal court cases, I've done federal trials,
I've done you know, a lot of state trials, and
also I've been on the prosecution level of it as
a police officer, and so I can just tell you
that clearly, when it comes to the way that people
are treated, they don't go after everybody the same. When
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it comes to the during the way that judges do
cases and make decisions and treat certain people and certain parties,
it's different, you know. And so you know, which is
why we have the Racial Justice Act, because they realize
statistically that it's just it's not by accident that certain
people are getting you know, certain types of charges you know,
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against them while other people And I can just see
it with my own eyes, where other people aren't being
pursued the same way that maybe somebody else is being pursued.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Absolutely, absolutely, I just it's definitely a tough line to
stand on because it's it's it's one it's this fight
fight for equality, but also this fight against degeneracy, and
it's like, you know, we want everybody to get treated equally,
but we also want to say, hey, I don't want
to stand by these people doing these things too, because
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you're right, it is a sign of the times.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
You look at, uh, somebody.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Like, uh, what's my man Hugh Hefner, Right, the Hugh
Heffner I did and Playboy and all that stuff was
something that was celebrated, right, so heavily, you know, seventies,
eighties and nineties, two thousands. But now people look at
that situation and they're like, uh, he was this old
guy that you know, had these eighteen nineteen year old
girls living with him in this mansion and being in
the grotto, and like they're like, Okay, that was kind
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of creepy, and like time change is what that looks like.
You know, even the thing with unfortunately, like the Bill
Cosby situation, like there, if you go back and look
at media in that time, the idea of like drugs
and drugging people in general was way less of a
(35:31):
severe thing.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
And it's so crazy.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I saw something that people were just talking about, like yeah,
putting a mickey in their drink or something like that,
and it was so casual and it's like the perception
of that changed over time, you know. So it's like
it's so crazy to see how these things change. And
it's like this hard line between you know, what they
were doing was wrong and they should have been you know,
(35:55):
faced the consequences for that, and you know, it's also
twenty years later and there's been other people who have
done things and then they're not getting in trouble, but
these people over here is getting in trouble. And it's
just a hard just like cycle, I'm trying to figure
out exactly where you should stand. But at the end
of the day, once again, no matter if you're black
(36:16):
and if I've been a fan of you before, if
you're doing the wrong thing. I don't want to you
shouldn't still be celebrated in that regard. So that's where
I stand. And you know, even if there's unfair and
I see the other side and not getting persecuted that
same way, I think I have to stand on the
side of just the right thing regardless and hope that
(36:36):
one day it's it, you know, fleshes itself out.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I mean, what's interesting about it? And and as I
you know, get older and realize that everybody, this is
the way I say it. It's like I think that
everybody is can get some In other words, I think
(37:01):
that if a person chooses to go after someone, let's
just say, once you become a target, I think they
can always find something on someone, because I think everybody's
got skeletons in the closet. And so, you know, we
(37:22):
found that out with with the co and tel Pro
and Jay Age Hoover, like some of the things that
came out, you know, with regards to doctor King, you know,
and the fact that he basically was having enough having affairs,
and you know, the whole idea was to just you know, uh,
(37:42):
tarnish his legacy and who he was, and you know,
and so anybody can do that nowadays. I mean, there's
always something and if you go back far enough, you know,
it's like the simplest things that you can get a
person for now because everybody makes so many miss you know,
(38:03):
make mistakes, and so I'm always careful about, you know,
like Shannon Sharp situation, you know what I mean, where
you know, because everybody's always got these things in their
clause that if you look, you know, close enough and
far enough, or people can can take the smallest thing
and make them make them huge. And so that's the
(38:24):
why I don't have a lot of I've just you know,
when you see the way that they go after in
the same way with Tyler Perry, I'm sure that they
if he was in their sights, they could probably destroy him.
They could take everything away from him because they would
be able to go in and say, you know, he
did this or he did that, because you know, when
(38:47):
the lights are off, you know, I mean, these people
aren't profits, you know what I mean, They're human beings,
and human beings make mistakes. And you know, once you
get your cross hairs on somebody, all you have to
do is go out and look for their mistakes.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
It's already kind of happened.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
I think earlier this year there are some text messages
that came back between him and I'm sorry. So there's
some text messages that came out out between him and
one of the people that was on one of his shows,
and it was like, you know, this conversation about sexual
harassment and stuff like that, and like he said, all
it takes is you know, a few people to pry into,
(39:30):
you know, what the show dynamics have been and all
that stuff, and it could be different.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
Speaking of that, I mean, it's just like the president, yeah,
you know what I mean. It's just like though his
supporters and I'm I mean, there's a lot of people
who don't claim them anymore that I think still support
them for sure, you know what I mean. And the
fact that there's nothing that any of these people probably
(39:58):
did that he hasn't done, and they're gonna support them anyway. Yeah,
you see what I mean. And so I think that
it just brings you back to the whole idea of
how much how serious is this? You know what I mean.
It's like when you think about you know, it's like
(40:19):
as a kid growing up, I was hundred and ten
percent believer in the ultimate justice. I mean, I'm still
believe in the ultimate justice, which is not And when
I say ultimate justice, I'm not talking about spiritually. I'm
talking about in this country. I always felt like, you know, hey,
there's justice, and I believed in the Constitution and I
(40:42):
believe that these people who were put in positions of
power were there to do the right thing. But it's
not true. And I think that you know now that
it's on Front Street. You know, when you look at
our president right, that would take the app Now, how
(41:03):
serious can you take justice? You know what I mean?
Makes you question everything, It makes you question everything. So
it's like, I mean, how bad is Diddy? And when
you compare him to the press, and it's like, now
you know, it's it's like, it's really disheartening to be honest.
(41:24):
I mean, here you got a guy that got convicted
of thirty four felonies that ain't been sentenced yet. He
should get You think he's gonna get five years, of course,
you know what I mean. So he should be the example.
But it clearly shows you that the injustice that we
have in this country. Now he's been convicted of felonies,
(41:45):
his wife is not a US citizen. However, he's committed
to getting rid of felons and immigrants, you see what
I mean. And we're still rolling with that because it's
like sometimes we catch ourselves in our belief in our system.
But then when you look at that, then I think
(42:08):
he is he exemplifies America more than anything. And that's sad.
It's like, you know what I mean, like everything you
know what they say, everything in the dark comes to light.
That's he exemplifies that, everything in the dark comes to light.
So finally it really comes out. I mean a lot
(42:29):
of people, it's like and then it's like finally they
get a chance to say, you know, how they really
you know, you know, thank God, I really know how
you really feel about me? Yeah, you see what I mean.
And I mean I think that we're seeing that. So
I think that when you go back and you think about,
you know, it makes you look at justice differently. It is,
I mean, what I feel different about this If Barack
(42:50):
Obama was still the president, probably, yeah, I think we
had a different I mean we were mad about the
way they would treat and the president obviously.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
I mean, here's the thing I think that everybody in
life can be honest about this. You will make excuses
for the people that you love and that you like.
It's just the honest to God truth about anything. If
somebody goes out and kills somebody kills an old lady,
you'll be oh, man, that's terrible. If your son or
daughter comes out and kills an old lady, the connection
(43:26):
and emotional what you will come up with from your head,
even if you're still upset with them and think they
should be, you know, punished, somehow, you'll look at it different.
You just will. And that's what we're seeing in this
country now. I think it's the most frustrating thing is
it's just so like you said, come into the light.
It's just so very much in front of us, as
(43:49):
clear as day, and there are so many people who
are just clearly choosing not to see what it's like,
what it is like, if it's coming into life, to
turn the lights back off so they don't have to
face what these things are, you know, like speaking to me,
like you know, I'm a writer, like seeing there's like
a section of comedy with like said like Joe Rogan
(44:12):
and a lot of the people like that who have
backtracked in recent months about oh, no, we didn't vote
for this, you did for this. This is very much
what was going on before all of this. Now it's
not popular. Now you're realizing that this is actually hurting
people that you care about, but you just didn't happen
(44:32):
to think that that was hurting them then.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
And it's just like it's very disheartened. It is.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
It is, Yeah, it is. And I think that this
kind of like, I mean, this is a smaller scale
on it. I guess you can say a smaller scale,
but I think that's why this kind of exemplifies these
types of actions and how should we respond to it
sort of speak. But I can tell you this right now,
I don't think. I think that if if Barack Obama
(45:00):
ended up doing the things that Trump did, black people
wouldn't support Barack Obama. No, there's no way if he
did any of that world, we would, we would hold
him to we would even hold him to a higher standard.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
We would and and and we can be honest about
this too. The way that he would be discussed in
media would make it so hard even if you wanted
to that it was like you'd feel so bad. And
that's what I'm saying, the media, the media still on
either side, doesn't really critique him as much as they
probably should for the things that he's done. If they
(45:34):
killed Barack Obama for wearing a tan suit on Easter
one day, you know what I'm saying, Like one year
they killed him over just like that's not professional and
all these things. So if he was out here doing
the same thing, they would it would be mayhem.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah, man, they would have. He would have went
to prison. He would have went to prison president for sure,
There's no question about it. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
And we're like black people are extremely loving.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
We always have. We probably been way more forgiving than
we should be as.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
A community and to some degree naive.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
And in some degree naive because we would hope that
these people wouldn't do these things, even though time and
time again it shows that just like with any situation,
any person given power and influence, it has the potential
to corrupt. And sometimes we believe because Bill Cosby had
this show that we loved and all these things that
(46:28):
he loved, that he Bill wouldn't do that, And it's like, no,
you gotta look at what things are for what they are,
even if this person has been a great influence in
your life, and like, you're right, like we are, we
have been naive to certain things. But even with that
being said, I think that I have still seen seen
us be able to say, yeah, yeah, he did that
(46:50):
in a way that I have not seen from the
other side.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
You're talking about with Bill, for example.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Bill for Bill for a stamp, But when it all
came out eventually was like, yeah, Bill was, Bill was
out here Wiley.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Yeah, you know. I mean, and again, like think about
Bill Clinton. Okay, So, I mean imagine if a black
president would have had an intern to do that in
the White House.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
Craziness, right, craziness.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
I mean, I mean seriously, yeah, so and and and
we everybody's still cool with Bill. Yeah, you know what
I mean. We still say he's the first black president.
Speaker 8 (47:25):
Yeah, people people turned.
Speaker 6 (47:27):
As much as it was something that got him impeached,
it's still it's still was something people kind of celebrated
and laughed. Man oh man, he was, you know, saying
he was an office doing that, Like yeah, I don't
think it goes that way.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
And that just shows you the double standard absolutely, like
like if if like we gave him a pass that
had Barack Obama or anybody else that happened to be
even a black senator would have done that, we would
have persecuted them, yeah, you know, I mean, we would
have just liked saying that's what he did. But you
(48:03):
know that that's our own to some degree, our own
internalized racism. Not to say that we should ever support
anybody that does something that's wrong. But the problem, of
course with life is is that everybody does something wrong, absolutely,
and and and and basically, you know, life is about
redemption and forgiveness. And you know, we tend to put
(48:25):
America on a pedestal, you know, because we we feel
like it's a perfect nation, and it's at and it's
the best nation in the world, and it's untouchable. And
to to a certain degree, a lot of that is true. However,
there are individ It's just like, for example, like the
general who came up and said that basically, we're sworn
(48:46):
to protect the Constitution, not to not to protect dictators, right,
and and the constitution has a perfect ideal, but it
but these individuals are far from perfect, you know what
I mean. I mean, you know, like it's just like
you go in front of the judge, and a judge
is trying to make decisions about you, and this person
(49:07):
is very flawed, right. They conduct this as if they're
like a perfect individual. And the problem is that you know,
man is always going to mess up power and and
and that's and that's the problem. I think, even when
it came to to Bill Cosby, I mean, you know,
I mean again you said something. You know, I'm not
(49:31):
here to necessarily defend Bill cause because I basically, you know,
people were very in the black community was very critical
of Bill in a way that he stayed on black
people about the way they acted. Oh sure, But at
the same time, I mean, the fact that a black,
a man, black, white, or otherwise is a rolling stone
(49:53):
is it shouldn't surprise anybody, you know what I mean,
It shouldn't surprise I mean, because there's so many things
you know that you know, when you turn over the stones.
There's a lot of people out there in our families.
There's a lot of people in there that are politicians.
There's a lot of people out there that we put
(50:14):
in such a high esteem and high regard that we
almost forget that they're human being and make mistakes, you
know what I mean? So you know, same way with Bill.
I mean, you know Studio fifty four days. You know
they used to you know we I mean I remember
back then as a kid, I mean like being in
elementary school or middle school and high school. High school,
(50:35):
people were talking about Spanish flying. Yeah, you know what
I mean I mean, and that was like they used
to you know, they used to sell it, didn't They
used to sell it in like magazines and stuff, and
so you know, I mean, it was it was. It
was a different time. Not to excuse the behavior, but
understanding that life is about forgiveness and the redemption. And
(50:57):
the reason why I say that life redemption and regis
and forgiveness is always a very important topic for me,
especially in this country, is that the only way, the
only way that America has an argument for being a
great nation is you would have to embrace the concept
(51:18):
of forgiveness and redemption. Because there's nothing more immoral than
what America did to African Americans and Native Americans. Nothing right,
and so the same you know, so when we say
when we look at the flag and we stand for
the flag, and we salute the flag, and we do
(51:40):
the pledge of llegiance, and you know, when we celebrate
our so called founding fathers and all these other things
who were slave owners. You know, nothing nobody else did
is worse than that. So to me, I think that
if you can't embrace the concept of forgiveness and redemption,
you definitely can't concept and breaks the concept of America
(52:02):
being a great justtination, you know what I mean. So
I think that's where kind of the hypocrisy, you know,
kind of comes in, uh, into the into the fold
of things. But you know, but your boy, man, he's
gonna be out there doing that diddy dance before it's over. Man,
we might be able to get him on the podcast.
Speaker 8 (52:20):
Now, Oh my god, let's let's not do that. Let's no.
I mean I was laughing.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
I was like him getting out kind of aligns with
like the next election cycle or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (52:33):
That's what if what is he pardons him? Wouldn't that
be crazy? Why not?
Speaker 8 (52:44):
That's actually crazy, because that.
Speaker 7 (52:45):
Would be absolutely crazy. That's actually a federal offense. And
he could because he I mean, because he just think
about this, he basically posthumorously uh pardon Jack Johnson for
the Man Act. Can you imagine if he did that
(53:06):
for Diddy.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
And he's also had a you know, from a rappers standpoint,
he parted, he parted, Yeah, he partoned Lil Wayne last cycle,
and he parted Kodak Black, who also had like some
things going on. And it's like he's he does that
with the intent of, Hey, black community, look what I'm
doing for you. I'm giving you your heroes, letting them
(53:30):
be free again. So that's actually a very interesting take
that I would not be surprised if it happened.
Speaker 8 (53:38):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
Yeah, that I mean, it wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me, man,
you know. I mean, we've had what I had a
guy that was on the show that ended up getting
pardoned by Trump. Not too I guess it's we We
actually had him on to His name was Waynsworth Hall
(54:03):
and Rainsworth Hall was supposedly a drug kingpin and they
called him Waynsworth Unique Hall, good guy, good friend of mine,
and he was. He was released after twenty six years.
He had a life sentence and Trump let him go. Yeah,
(54:27):
So I mean it would be that would really throw
and honestly it would be a good move for him
if he did. I mean, it wouldn't hurt him. Yeah,
you know what I mean. I mean, you know, it
definitely wouldn't hurt him. I'd be crazy, right because you know,
(54:47):
Diddy did kind of go off on him a little bit.
But I think if can you imagine if Diddy gets
out man and starts doing the Diddy dance with the
President at a press conference.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
Because going back to what I just said though, when
he did do that with Lil Wayne and card that Black,
a major part of that was them taking pictures with him,
shaking hands like hey, the Trump platinum, playing like he's
going to get something.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
Out of it.
Speaker 7 (55:12):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (55:12):
Absolutely, So Diddy would definitely be there.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Oh man, look at what Trump did for my life,
and like he would definitely do that. So I mean,
it's definitely a two way street.
Speaker 7 (55:21):
But he'd be wearing Maga had him that because it
would and it was, like I said, it wouldn't surprise me.
Like I said, the man act, I mean, if he
if he I mean, what do you what's the what's
the chances here? You got Jack Johnson, who was probably
the most criticized polarizing black man of the nineteen twenties,
(55:44):
who was knocking out all kinds of white boxers marrying
white women dressing in p Diddy outfits, right, Yeah, And
you know what I mean, he gets he gets convicted
of a man that's all these years, then you have
President Trump to pardon him. I mean that. I mean,
(56:09):
I don't know what goes up in his head. I
don't know if he's somebody's advising him to do that,
but you know, it throws a monkey wrench in the
program to a certain extent, you know, so that that
would be absolutely crazy, man, it would be crazy. But
either way, I mean, I mean what he's as far
as Diddy is concerned, I mean he basically I mean
(56:30):
four years. Third, I mean he got four years, He's
got three more years to go. He probably can I
think that basically there is a possibility for him to
go to some sort of halfway house or something after
six months left on his sentence, so he may have
to do twenty something thirty months, maybe he might be
able to get out or again maybe pardon. But considering
(56:52):
you getting you, I mean, it looks like a lot
until you look at what you could have got. Yeah,
ten years is a long saving you. Sixteen years is
a long time, A.
Speaker 8 (57:03):
Long time, you know. I thought it was gonna be
much worse with.
Speaker 7 (57:07):
I did tell like I thought it was gonna be
closer to eleven when I was.
Speaker 8 (57:13):
Gonna be at least ten for sure.
Speaker 6 (57:14):
Yeah, Like I really did think it was gonna be
at least ten, where like we're really seeing him probably
be gone for a while to when he comes out,
it's some level of like unrecognizable. He's gonna come out,
and he's gonna be sudden, you know, Like I don't
know how these I think he's fifty something, he'll still
be in his fifties, you know, like he's not gonna
be so like it's been in jail so long that
(57:36):
he comes out, we don't know. Oh man, he's got
gray hair, Like it's not.
Speaker 8 (57:40):
Gonna be that.
Speaker 6 (57:41):
So you know, I don't know, man, It's a very
interesting thing.
Speaker 7 (57:46):
But yeah, I mean people might soften up to him
a little bit after this. I know he's gonna try
to change. He'll figure figure out some way to parlay
this into something that's profitable.
Speaker 8 (57:58):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (57:59):
You know, there's no question about it.
Speaker 6 (58:02):
Like I said, I just want to, Like, I think
I'm more interested in seeing like because, like you said,
a lot of people who thought that he was gonna
go away for a while and sort of like shut.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Up, like I wonder, like I think he gets out
and he's on the straightened arrow.
Speaker 6 (58:17):
I don't think that he's gonna be back out doing
what he was doing before for sure, but it.
Speaker 8 (58:21):
Still is like you know he was.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I mean, he's gonna have to see these people in
some place, like these security guards and all these artists
in sort of like back back the way. Are they
gonna come out and be like, hey man, we're sorry,
Like what is it gonna be?
Speaker 8 (58:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (58:35):
Is he going to have what's the name of the
therapist is Van?
Speaker 8 (58:41):
I know you're talking about it starts with an eye.
I know you're talking about that.
Speaker 7 (58:47):
Yeah, they're gonna have a show where it's life. Yeah,
changed his life story. He's gonna be sitting in there, man,
trying to get itself straight, kids and family and you know,
talking about the incident.
Speaker 8 (58:59):
The worst part.
Speaker 7 (59:00):
As people will watch, Oh yeah, absolutely, he would definitely watch.
Oh definitely, people will watch. Man. Anyway, it's a lot.
I'm looking forward to it to see what's gonna happen.
And I'm actually looking forward to that, pardon to be
honest with you.
Speaker 8 (59:16):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (59:18):
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