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Org, NBC News Radio. I'm Tammy Truhillo. Millions of Americans
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of the economy. The protests were mostly peaceful, but there
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Thank you for tuning in for this is just additional
Justice Watch with Attorneys Zulu Adli. I'm attorney Zulu Adli
with the Justice Watch crew, Rose Nunez, Michael Balau Clark,
doctor Kilbasher, Andrew Rhodeman. This week, like every week, we'll
be discussing critical legal and social justice issues that are
impacting our communities.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Today, our.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Discussion is going to be on the No Kings protests.
And joining us in this really important UH discussion is
going to.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Be Walter Field, who serves as a.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Community Engagement in Public Policy Liaison for the National Center
for the Elimination of Educational Disparities at Morgan State University.
In that role, he also manages the Family Engagement in
Public Policy portfolio at the National Center for the Elimination
of Educational Disparities, helping to design and lead its work
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in education equity. He holds a Bachelor of Arts and
political Science from Morgan State University. He earned a Master
of Public Administration specializing in public policy analysis from the
Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New
York University, where he was a Patricia Roberts Harris Fellow
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and received several honors. He also holds a Master of
Arts and Political Science from the City University of New
York Graduate Center, and he is currently pursuing a doctoral
degree and applies sociology and social justice at Morgan State University,
with a research focus on black father hood and the
recognition of black men in sustaining healthy black families.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
In his early career of course, which.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Was primarily in journalism, public affairs, and government relations and advocacy,
he served as director of public Affairs for the New
York Trial Lawyers Association and vice president for government Relations
for the Community Service Society in New York City. He
launched a Black Parents Workshop and incorporated a nonprofit parent
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advocacy organization based in South Orange, New Jersey, which pursued
landmark federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of black students.
He also has been involved internationally consulting on democraization in
Southern Africa, product liability law in Japan, working with the
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Operation Black Vote in the UK and more. And in
his current role at Morgan State University, he is involved
in research, public engagement and he also served as the
communications director of the last administration of Aouda Fa Theta
Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And welcome Fred. How you doing brother?
Speaker 9 (08:14):
How you doing? Man? Look, I'm listening to you saying
who is that guy he's talking about? He's done a lot.
But I do want to make a disclaimer because nothing
that I say today will represent Morgan State University. I
want to keep my university safe because I may have
to say something on air.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Also, yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Also something else I wanted to say, as you know,
you know I was I'm an old country boy. I
was born and raised in Tennessee. So you know, people
always say, you know, when you're from the streets, you know,
game recognizes game. But when you're from you know, the South,
you know, a real man recognizes a real man. And
I just want to let you know, man, that it's
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been nothing more than a pleasure to know.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You and and and it did take me.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Very long to realize that you're a real man.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Man.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
There's no question about that, And I just want to
let you know that, you know, being also being a
member of all the Five Theater fraternity Incorporated. The highlights
of me becoming a member of that organization is meeting
your brother, because I have nothing more than nothing much
less than respect for you. And it's just been a
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pleasure just knowing you, man and watching you man, I do.
I definitely want you to know that. And also we're
both girl.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Dads, right so yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Yeah, so it's been nothing but a pleasure knowing you,
broh for sure.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Hey, like likewise, brother, Look, I think when we travel
through life, we hope to meet people who are the
same mind and spirit, and that's not often the case, brother,
but you were certainly one of those people. I always
smile when I look at your Facebook posts because I'm like, yeah,
brother's doing the work. He's out there doing the work.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Man.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
Look, man, we have to figure out who we are
in this moment. You know. I think when we think
about what happened yesterday, I think it was the beginning
of a real human rights movement in the United States.
You know, we've been trying to figure out, like, how
do we protect all of these vulnerable folks who this
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current administration has simply discarded or attack. And I think
yesterday with seven million people, regardless of what bag is
saying about the AI generated images and that you know
they were using video from other marches, Look, we know
that there were millions on the streets yesterday of all persuasions.
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And I think this is a moment that we've been
waiting for for a long time in this country, that
people are beginning to wake up and realize that it's
not necessarily about me, but it could be about someone
that I know or love, or someone that lives next
to me. So I can't be lazy anymore, Like I
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have to be out here and be an advocate. So
you know, the work that you do there out in
the West Coast, you know, it just has so much
meaning because there are people who don't know where to turn,
and there are people whose legal rights to being violated.
And I think, you know, you embody the spirit of
those civil rights lawyers from the nineteen fifties to nineteen sixties.
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We often forget put everything on the line, like they
risk everything, their careers, their families because going to court
in a hostile court room with a hostile jury with
a hostile judge. The fight for someone's rights took a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Of courage, right, absolutely, man, Yeah, I appreciate that. Definitely
appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (11:50):
And speaking of lawyers, joining us today is another lawyer,
Laura Marino, who I often do work with, who's a
a litigator and and and does great work and has
that same you know spirit and and and embodies you know,
that that fight spirit.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
She's a first generation uh US citizen and she also
the first generation college graduate, and she practices here in
uh southern California as well. So I appreciate you joining
us in this discussion as.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Well for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Absolutely absolutely we need her, we need her, right.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
So, yeah, the no Kings protests, so so, basically, do
you think there was a particular moment or event that
sparked this protest or I mean, and I know the answer,
but I'd love to hear your input on why choose
the phrase no kings and what does what do you
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think that symbolizes?
Speaker 9 (12:56):
Well, you know, it's funny, right because when you really
think about founding of this country, it was an act
of treason. You had a group of people from another
country who were granted land in a new country, a
new land, and who turned their back on their kings,
who basically said like, we don't care that we're British citizens,
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Like we're not gonna pay taxes anymore, We're going to
create our own country. That was an active treason. And
we talked about the American Revolution as some honorary sayings,
but it was a treason its act. And so we
come full circle now where we have a president who's
trying to act like a king, and we have a
nation that yesterday resoundingly said no, we're not going to
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accept it. So for me, I think the moment that
struck me yesterday because I was watching the video from
all across the country. I believe it might have been
in Boston where they were carrying a huge replica of
the United States Constitution down the street, and I said, wow,
that's amazing because when you think about that constitution, the
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original Constitution had no intention of including some of us
as citizens. Like what we're doing right now is the
second American Revolution, because we're saying everybody has to be included.
Those founders didn't think that black people should have been included,
and here we are saying, not only black people, but
our Latino brothers and sisters are LGBTQ community, Like everybody
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has to be included to make this document real. And
I think it's an awakening in this country where people
now their eyes are turned towards how did this country
get started? Like what were the principles upon which it
was founded? And despite the lofty language, why haven't we
ever fulfilled those principles? And we're not going to let
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somebody come into the White House and completely discard what
we've been told all of our lives has meaning. And
so you know, I laughed when I saw the video
because I thought of Donald Trump's first press conference. It's
his press sexually, his first press conference after his inauguration,
and he told the bold face lie about him have
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the largest crowd of any inauguration in history. And then
I looked at the crowds. Yes, they said, but you
can't count because if you want to see the largest crowd,
look out your window. It really filled my heart, man,
because I think for so many decades we thought people
didn't care, and every time there was a march, you
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worried about the size of the march and whether or
not it was going to be televised and effective. Man,
yesterday was just a new high mark for me in
terms of citizen action.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Right it was, Man, And you know, it's kind of like,
you know, the thing that always gets me, you know,
And I'll be honest with you, Man, I never thought
he was going to get real acted. It really blew
my mind because you know, this is what I thought.
My thought process was.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That even if.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
You believe in what he was saying, I always felt
like there were gatekeepers who knew that there was way
too much at stake with him becoming the president of
the United States, because in the final analysis, we're all,
you know, the the our mere existence I believe is
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at stake with him as president of the United States.
And I thought that there would be you know, cooler
heads would prevail, even if it meant, you know, doing
something you know that they shouldn't do, just to keep
this man from getting into into into office. But I
just I don't believe that people really understand the vulnerable
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position that we are in as a nation with him
as a president of the United States. I just don't
believe that they truly understand, you know, the consequences of
him being in that office.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Well, you know, white supremacy is a powerful drugs and
for centuries in this country, it made people vote against
their interests. And I think Donald Trump, being from ethnic queens,
understood that. And so we have a population of Americans
who habitually vote against their interests simply because they're voting
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for whiteness. Now we're going to see how long that persists,
as long as this government shutdown continues, because when people
start feeling it in their pockets, feeling it in their homes,
we're going to see if they're going to continue to
support this man in the way that they have. But
we're already seeing cracks in the armor, you know, around
issues around health care and jobs and the prices that
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people face when they walk into stores. But the tragedy
of America is that America will never fulfill its potential
until number one it acknowledges its past. Number two rectifies
this past, and number three understands that It's true strength
is the fact that we are the only nation in
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the world with this diverse of population and the human
capital that we have outpaces any country in the world.
If we just stop discriminating against people, you know, it's
that simple.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yeah it is, man, I mean, it's just and it's
just funny that you know you think that it means
that much. I mean, to me, I think that when
you know, almost like supremacy is to some extent a misnomer,
you know, because I just feel like, to a certain
extent that that fear, I mean that type of fear
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where you know, you're so scared that you know, it's
almost like.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
When you when.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
You look at like and I hate to use this analogy,
but like mob bosses, you know, I mean it's like
you do so much dirt, then you you are so
focused on making sure that those people that you the
fear of, those people that you that you've done so
much dirt to, are going to somehow do to.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You what you've done to them.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
And I think a lot of people a lot of
it is is that to me right, because the reality
of it is the psychosis of believing that someone is
that you're superior to someone. It's hard for me to
believe that you would do so much to oppress people
who have no.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Ability to do anything right.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
It's just like everybody goes after the champ, Nobody goes
after the challenger.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Right. You know, it's the mythology of superiority.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
And so when we think about when we have pierced
that veil on issues that were important, but we're not
necessarily like altering. Think about Jackie Robinson breaking the color
barrier simply because they wanted to play baseball, right, and
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the death threats right against Jackie Robinson. You can think
about when Hank Aaron broke Babel's record and there were
death death threats against Hank Aaron simply because he was
going to break a athletic record of a white athlete.
This myth has been so embedded in the minds of
so many white people that they can't fathom the idea
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that number one, they could be a minority. And I
think it's because they fear that what has happened to
other folks will, like you said, be returned upon them.
But number two, they have a false sense of superiority.
And that's where you get the whole Antidia initiative. Right.
And so people you know want to talk about, well
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we didn't you didn't earn your spot, and that black
people and people are taking the jobs of white people.
And I always point to the statistics, so you know,
black lawyers make up only about four percent of all
lawyers in America. Black engineers only make up about four
percent of all black engineers. So I don't know whose
job we're taking. So either you know, or is the
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message that four percent is too much, that we shouldn't
have anything. And so you look at that and you
realize how utterly ridiculous racism is, and you look at
the contributions of black and brown people to this country,
and then you have to ask the question, Okay, let's
take away those contributions that we've made to this country.
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What would America be. We wouldn't even be an economic
power because enslaved Africans gave you know, America.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That start exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
And you know, it's funny because the attacks on Latinos,
particularly those who you know, are doing legitimate work in
this country. And what do we see happening right now?
You got farmers complaining because they can't find workers. You
got farms getting ready to go out of business. And
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so you know, as I tell everyone, look, I know
for a fact black people aren't doing those jobs, and
I know for fat white people ain't doing those jobs.
And the only reason why lack you know immigrants are
doing those jobs is because it's a first step opportunity
to create a life in this country, just like Italians
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and Chinese and you know, every other ethnic group came
into this country starting at a point to try to
create a place for themselves in America. But we have
a president who wants to demonize and MANI he's only
demonizing black and brown people. So if you want to
start talking about immigration, black and brown people are not
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the only immigrants in this country. Like so, I don't
see him going to areas where there are white European
immigrants and hauling people away from their families, throwing children
in vans, disbanding families. I don't see it happening among
white European immigrants. It's only happening among black and brown people.
So it's clear what the intention is, and that is
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why I think yesterday's mark was so significant because you
saw a see of humanity out there in the streets.
It was a little bit of everybody out in the streets,
and contrary to how it was being portrayed as being
anti American, it was probably the most American demonstration I
have seen in my lifetime.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Barnun Wow, Yeah, that's that's crazy. You know.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
One of the things that I was curious about is
I wonder, is this is just my thought about you know,
where we are. It almost seems like, you know, he
kind of stumbled onto a niche that maybe he didn't
realize that he had. So in other words, it seems
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to me that during the first his first run for office,
that when he was debating and he made the statement
about building the wall, it seemed like that's when his
popularity really took off. And you know, was that intentional
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or was it accident? I mean, has he embraced a
paradigm that he realizes that puts him in a position where,
you know, as a you know, somewhat of a businessman,
he realizes that that's a market that he basically has,
is a loyal market that he's cornered, and he realizes
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that sometimes you know, a fool is a fool, is
a fool? Or do you think all this was intentional altogether?
Speaker 9 (24:58):
Well, I think it's a little bit of I mean,
we have to trace Donald Trump's history, so we can
go back to the Central Park jogger case and saw
how he tried to manipulate the public on that issue
by running a full page ad calling for the execution
of young black men who were the alleged, you know,
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culprits who were later exonerated. And so Donald Trump has
always known how to exploit divisions. And I think what
happened when he was in the president the first time. Look,
we have to remember what his cabinet looked like the
first time. His cabinet was made up of some seasoned
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political pros compared to now, and most of those seasoned
political pros resigned from that cabinet and became enemies of
Donald Trump because they came in there and they say like,
look like, we can't do this. This is a government.
There's law, and we're not going to allow you to
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abuse the laws. So we'd rather just resign and leave.
So this collection of folks that he has, now, these
are mere servants of Donald Trump. They will do anything
that this president commands. So I think Trump knew that, yes,
he did have a market, and he understood the power
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of racism and xenophobia and combined both of them in
a way that allowed what was already festering in this country.
He allowed that to percolate and then explode. We saw
that on January sixth, right during the insurrection at the Capitol.
Who among us would have ever thought that the United
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States Capitol building would be assaulted in that way? But
he latched on to something. He latched on to that
underlying hate and fear among white Americans. And so now
you even see how it's infratry traded Christianity, where white
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Christian nationalism has taken off, Like there is truly a
thickness in America when it comes around issues of race.
And he understood that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Right it is. Yeah, he definitely has gotten to that point.
What were you showing me there?
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Yeah, so I was, you know, thinking, as you guys
are chatting here and you know, how is this affecting
our court system? And what can we do to stop this?
I mean, what voice do we really have? The No
King's Parade, as I was sharing Withzulu, was a way
that just the average person that wants to be involved
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can just release their anger and their frustrations and show
the government, Hey, we're not with this in the courthouse
or as lawyers, we're frustrated. I mean, the laws are changing,
we're constantly evolving. We're trying to calm our clients down
while fighting the cause and was thinking about this and
I've shared this before with even my husband. I mean,
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Trump is really put himself in a position to just
bombard us in that he picked three of the Supreme
Court justices out of the night. He has the house stacked.
So it's really hard to get a good legal fight
against him because it's like he's put the house on
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his side. So what do we do to combat that?
And how can we that's.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
A good ques.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Well, I think the first thing we can do is
understand that, you know, we have mid term elections coming up,
and so if Democrats gained control of the House, that's
one level of resistance that will have on Capitol Hill.
The Supreme Court issue is difficult because he understood, as
did President Bush, you will appoint fairly young justices because
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that lifetime of appointment means they're going to be on
the bench for three or four decades. And so I
think the solution to the Supreme Court and I think
Democrats have to pull a trigger on this if they
gain off. You know, all branches of government expand the
number of justices on the court. You know that nine
is not a magic number. There were once fewer than
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nine justices on the Supreme Court. So you expand those
justices and you appoint justices who are going to be
fair minded, and I think that's a solution to the
Supreme Court. Or you try to term limit Supreme Court justices.
You know the idea that you have state supreme courts
that have term limits, but in the United States Supreme Court,
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the Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court is probably
the most anti democratic institution in government. It won't allow
its sessions to be televised. You have justices that can
serve a lifetime and barring that they kill someone, and
I don't even know if that would remove them. It
is difficult to impeach a Supreme Court justice. Now, look,
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it was designed in that way because it was a
fear of what There was a fear of a monarch developing,
a king that would developed, so you needed to have
a judicial body that would keep that person in check,
that executive in check. But that's no longer the case.
You've got to renegade United States Supreme Court. That's probably
going to put the final nail in the coffin of
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the voting right back. And so you're right it's like
where do you go for relief? So I think one
thing people can do join an organization like we can't
fight this as individuals like join an organization right contribute
to the ACLU, contribute to the NAACP legal defense and
educational funds. Organize in your own community. Make sure that
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you're involved at the local level, because many of these
right wing members of Congress that we have today started
out on boards of education and started out in city
councils and state legislatures. So we have to pay attention
to lower level government because this is going to be
a long rebuild. First, even if a Democrat is elected
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in twenty twenty eight, the economy is going to be
in shamples and it's probably going to take several years
to come out of an economic decline. And so no
one should sit around thinking that there's a quick fix
to this. Donald Trump has done so much damage to
this country. Think about all the federal employees that are
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no longer there. Think about all the expertise that we
have lost, and all these critical federal agencies Department of Justice, right,
Department of Health and Human Services. We've lost so much
expertise that God forbid, we have another pandemic, because if
we do, it's going to make the last one look mild. So,
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you know, I think we need to accept the fact
that this is going to be a long road back,
and what we really have to do is lean on
each other and understand that the institutions we once relied
on for relief and justice are no longer those institutions.
We can't count on the Department of Justice anymore because
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we know what that looks like. Any time they allow
a president to violate law. You know that that's no
longer a Department of Justice, a department of injustice. You know,
you have a Department of the Defense that has reverted
back to its old titles Department of War, which just
sends a signal to American what to expect the militarization
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of our nation. And we're seeing that now with the
President of trying to send the National Guard into areas
that have done incredibly well in trying to reduce violence,
and I work in one of them, the city of
Baltimore with violent crime isn't an all time low in
the City of Baltimore, but just President it's using these
instances to create a narrative to increase his power and
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authority in a way that could eventually lead to the
declaration of martial law.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Right and and that's real, see, And that's the thing
is that that you know, there's so many people that
really don't understand. In my opinion, it's like where we're
headed and how serious you know, this uh, this administ
how serious this administration is with with regards to the
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ability or likelihood that it could be the fall of
I mean, people talk about the fall of America, you
know what I mean. You hear people say that, but
I mean, to me, I think that is the that's
such a reality right now because you know, empires, that's
how they fall, you know, from from from the from within.
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And I think that that's what we're seeing, is you're
seeing a and when it says no King, that's exactly
what we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
We're looking at somebody who.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Is basically really creating or trying to create achy of
monarchy that is you know, uh, ultimately gonna be. And
and you know, when it comes to something that's really
interesting to me is the you know, although I've never
been a Republican and you know, what I've seen as
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far as the way he's hijacked, you know, the Republican Party,
and I think that we're seeing how you know, as
you said earlier, there's there's starting to become a significant
backlash behind that is this guy. This guy has to
be the most unpatriotic human being that I've ever seen
in my life. And it began with the whole thing
(34:54):
about you know, whatever you think, and it begins here
is no matter what you thought about John McCain, the
thing that you could never criticize him for is his
service to this country. And when he said that about
John McCain and everybody was cool with it, especially that party,
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that just took me back.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It really did.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
I'm like, you know, and the way that he's done
is generals the things that he said about individuals who
even served this country, you know, and they still rolling
with him. You cannot have much, you know, at least
before in the Republican Party. You know, you could kind
of shake your head and kind of you know what
I mean, But I mean, it's it's it's terrible, man,
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it really is, and that it's hard for me to
believe that we really had those type of individuals in
this country.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
There's no Republican Party. I mean, you know, and I
think you know part of what you bring up.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And so.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
Growing up as a big fan of Superman, the comic theory,
the comic book series, in the television show, and in
a comic book series, there was bizarro Superman who was
the exact opposite of Superman. Like Superman was good and virtuous,
Bizarro Superman was evil. We've got bizarro President Trump. And
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you look at this man and you realize there's not
a patriotic bone in his body. There's not a moral
bone in his body. His only interest is in power
and accumulating wealth. It has nothing to do with governance.
And unfortunately in America, you know, the hype of capitalism
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is that you two can one day be wealthy. Well
you can't. But there are so many people in America
that have been brought into that that they see Donald
Trump as virtuous just because they consider him a wealthy man.
And he has gotten away with some things that no
other presidents would ever have been able to get away with.
(37:04):
Could you imagine Barack Obama posting some of the things
that Donald Trump post official White House Instagram page never.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Not in a way you could get away with something
like that.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
But Trump understood the moment. And look, the reality is
this was building up for some time from the very
beginning when Barack Obama was elected. What was the first attack,
He's not an American, he's a Muslim, and they were
planting the seeds then to come back in a way
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to use that as a counter to this notion of
who is truly an American? And even today they raised
Barack Obama's name. This guy's been out of office for
a nine years, Yeah, and they still use him because
they know how to stir the pot. And so you know,
(38:05):
when I look at that, you realize that I think
the Obama election so disturbed the psyche, particularly if white
men in America, that they were determine that never again.
And you saw that happen again with Kamala Harris in
the way they tried to create a narrative around her
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like she's not black. Right, we don't know what she is,
but she's not black. She's not qualified, which was the
silliest attack. But again we're not You know, these folks
don't care about qualifications. You can be the most qualified
African American or Latino and it wouldn't matter because for them,
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an uneducated, ignorant white man is more qualified. And so
I think part of what we are facing is the
reality of what America really is, like this period of
time is really and look, it may not last. You know,
we're coming upon the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of
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this nation. That's not a long time, No, it's not.
And so I always tell people like, we're still in
our infancy. There's no guarantee that what we know as
this nation will exist going forward, and we better be
ready to fight to create something new and better or
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we're all going to have a miserable time in this country.
Because when you look at when you look at the
deployment of agents who are basically acting like they have
the power of the futuritive slave law, snatching people off
the streets, wearing masks, not identifying themselves as agents, not
(39:57):
showing any credentials that they are law on for, but
basically just snatching people, right, And so it's racial profiling
on steroids.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well you said something interesting. There's a
couple of things. Number one is as far as the
infancy of the of America as a as a nation,
or so called power that you know, if there was,
as we speak, if there was a book written or
there's a world history book and it was, and it
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was a book comparing the world powers, the well, there's
not enough in American history to probably even make.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
It a chapter. And I don't think people understand that.
In other words, I know you're looking at me, but I'm.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Saying that when you look at the Chinese dynasties and
some of these other dynasties that lasted for centuries, America,
as he said, when you think about two hundred and
fifty years, we don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
That's a very very short time.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
That's an infant, right, so you know, it's not like
we've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And I think that sometimes I believe that as a nation,
you know, we.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
Forget how young we are, you know, and I think
that's an issue. The second thing I wanted to say
is that, and this is kind of a joke to
a certain extent, is that you know who probably is
happy that Donald Trump became President of the United States
is Bush too? Because man, I thought that you know
(41:41):
now that we look at Bush now, just think about
how we looked at Bush too before. Now he almost
looks like, you know what I mean, he legitimate.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
I mean because we thought he wasn't smart.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
We used to make fun of Bush and all this,
but we look back now we're like man comparison.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Yeah, well look the Bush family, they were old line conservatives,
you know, and I think we forget that. Even Richard
Nixon was an old line conservative, right. Richard Nixon was
you know, certainly corrupt and was trying to manipulate power,
and he abused the Constitution. But Richard Nixon did have
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some degree of a policy framework that he believed in.
There is none of that today in the Trump administration.
It's just simply that seems as much power as we can,
as quickly as we can, and create enough chaos to
throw people off balance. And I think that is what
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they are hoping, that they will overwhelm the American public
by just creating chaos. And the thing that we don't
understand in this country is that, yes, we are a
world power, but we are a fairly recent world power.
You know, we became a dominant power militarily after World
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War Two. Like the development of the atomic bomb just
put the United States in a position of superiority that
every other country had to fear. And so when you
really think about America's power, we're talking about a very
short period of time. But look what's happened in that
short period of time. Other countries now have developed nuclear power,
(43:34):
the nuclear weapons, So India, right, Takis, like you have
all these other countries that have nuclear capability, and we
have the most unstable president that we've ever had. Right,
so what happens when he decides that he's going to
unleash a nuclear weapon on another country or allow another
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country to unleash a new your weapons. We are dealing
with a very unstable man, a very unstable federal government.
And I'm convinced, as you pointed out, that if you
look at the other fallen empires, they always fell from within.
(44:18):
And I'm prone to believe that there is a group
of senior US military officials who think about this every day.
When Pete Hexas and Donald Trump made their appearance before
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all those generals and admirals, and you saw the stone faces,
you heard no applause, and you looked at the expressions
on their faces, I think those were men and women
who understood that they took an oath to the Constitution
and not that raging idiot who was yelling at them.
And I believe that if there is a downfall, it
(45:02):
will be because military leaders step in at the appropriate
time and sees power. Sounds crazy, but after that reaction,
you know, in most times, if you have the President
of the United States speaking, there will at least be
polite applaud from military leaders. There was nothing. You could
hear a pin drop. And I think it was because
(45:25):
these people looked at him and said, this idiot, because
they're the ones who have to execute the orders to
send men and women into combat, and they're looking at
this guy like, now, we will never follow those orders.
So you know, I just believe that time is running
short on America is and and there's no King's protests.
(45:52):
I think was the best indication that Americans will fight back.
I think Donald Trump mistakenly believed that his arrogance alone
would intimidate people, and I think yesterday the American public
spoke loudly instead f you, like, we're not gonna lay
(46:17):
down and take this anymore.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 8 (46:22):
I was going to ask you, Laura, with regards to
the Latino situation, as far as they're voting and it
seemed like there was at least there's this idea that
there was this overwhelming, at least initially the support for
you know, Donald Trump in this administration. Obviously the first
(46:44):
thing that he did is we see that that kind
of backfire to a certain extent.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So so what do you think about that aspect of it?
Speaker 10 (46:53):
As far as the Latino's feely like, Yeah, why do you.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
Think there was such a the support that you had
from that community? Why do you think that there was
a support for this guy?
Speaker 10 (47:06):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Do you think it's because of who he was running against?
Speaker 10 (47:11):
I honestly couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know,
and I'm not in that position to speak for why
they were. I mean, I heard different things from the
Latino community, but I don't really have an answer to that. Mean, everybody,
there's not a blanket answer as to why people do
what they do. You couldn't say that the people were educated,
(47:35):
You couldn't say that, you couldn't say that they had
something to gain from it.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
It's just.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
I mean, I think that you saw that primarily it
tended to be more Latino men than it did women.
So I was kind of wondering was it kid you
was it contributed? And I think maybe in part maybe
because it was Kamala Harris was a person and he
was running against a woman.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I don't know what you think, brother, what do you.
Speaker 9 (48:01):
Think that I think it was a combination of an
appeal to conservatism, appeal to sexism, and an appeal to religiosity.
And I think you know, when you look at the
Latino community, there are certainly aspects that resemble Black America.
(48:23):
You know, Black Americans tend to be church going, can
be very socially conservative, right, And so I think Donald
Trump would understood that with the Latino community. And I
think Donald Trump and his team they appeal to the
Latino community in a way to suggest to them that
(48:48):
you are not the other like black people are the other.
You are more like us than you are like them.
And I think for Latino men, I think that was
a message that resonated. Now, look, I think you know,
people vote based upon what they hear, and so I
(49:10):
think they heard some things that sounded good to them.
But it's always the after effect after the election, where
you really begin to understand how you've been manipulated, right,
And so I think right now in the Latino community,
because I see the social media post, I think there's
(49:31):
an awakening. I think people realize that we were lied to.
And look, it's easy to vote for someone when you
think they're going to go after somebody else and not you, right, right,
And that's just a natural thing. I don't care what
group it is. Like, if it's not us, we're gonna
be okay. So you know, but this guy is going
(49:55):
after black and brown people in a way. And look,
it's also a realization and that we can say we're
African Americans, we can say we're Latino. We are all
the same people, our roots are from the same place.
And the only reason why some of us, you know,
don't speak Spanish is because our ancestors were dropped off
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at a different port. But when the ship goes down,
we're all going to go down. It's not going to
be there's not going to be a way to save
each group separately. So I think the reality here and
this is the opportunity. The opportunity is to come together
in a way that reshapes the new nation. So Latinos,
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Black Asian Americans, American Indians, poor Americans of all races
and ethnicity. That's a powerful coalition. It's what doctor King
was trying to put together at the time of his
depth in the Poor People's March. And I think yesterday
to me was the first step towards that movement that
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for so long when we had marches in Washington, DC,
it was either women marching by themselves. It was either
Latinos marching by themselves or black folks marching by themselves.
White folks kind of took a pass because they didn't
have to march unless it was around the issue of abortion, right,
But yesterday everyone was marching together because finally the light
(51:26):
bulb went off in people's heads, like it's not about them,
it's about all of them. And so, you know, I
hear a lot of criticism of the Latino community from
the last election, and I understand, but look, we also
understand have to understand that about how politics manipulates the conscience,
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and we can forgive and we can move forward if
we just have an honest discussion about where we are presently.
I'm horrified by the way Latinos and country are being
treated right now. It's despicable. The fact that families are
being broken up, the fact that American citizens are being
(52:08):
arrested simply because of the way they look, right and
knowing that our legal protections are on thin ice right now,
right that chances are you know, you might get a
lower court ruling that goes in your favor, you might
get an appeals court ruling that goes in your favor,
but once it goes to the High Court, you know,
(52:29):
it's like your chances are slim. And that's the reality
right now because if you look at all the court
rulings against Donald Trump, they've come at the district court
level for the most part, district court and appeals court,
and those judges, and some of them are Trump appointed judges,
are saying loudly no, like we're going to violate the
(52:51):
Constitution to support this. But that Supreme Court is so
politicized that your chances are slim that you're going to
get We had a good outcome going before the Supreme
Court at this.
Speaker 10 (53:03):
Point, I think with one thing that we all have
to remember is we've got to have our representation. So
for example, in California, it's large large, I believe it's
like almost half, if not half, Latino based, and we
don't have enough judicial officers that mirror us. You know,
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we have a lot of older non minority judges in power,
and as they're getting ready to retired, we're just as qualified.
But the thing is we're not making our advancements towards
the bench. And it's not just the Latinos. It's my
Asian family and friends that aren't also. You know, we're
(53:47):
starting to get in there, but we really need to
be more representative of the people that's here.
Speaker 8 (53:55):
Yeah, and hopefully that we're beginning to start understanding that,
you know, this is a fight that if we don't
do it collectively, and maybe people are understanding that whole
idea of doing it collectively, because what sometimes has been
the issue with regards to minorities is that we tend
(54:18):
to limit humanity to our own people sometimes. And I
think that what we're seeing, as you stated, brother, they
when we were doing the protest, that you're seeing different
people from different paradigms and different ethnic groups, that we're
coming together for one cause and understanding the constitution and
(54:39):
understanding that our constitution is under attack. We need to
keep that same rhythm going, you know. So it's really
a make or break moment for this country. You know,
and hopefully that people are really understanding that, you know,
we do really need to because sometimes I mean, we
got to that got to that point, or you know,
(55:02):
Roy Jones had that song, that song called y'all must
have forgotten. So I was beginning to start thinking, you know,
y'all got you know, people must have forgot.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
And oftentimes I think that we felt like that.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
You know, people, as you said, you know, you vote,
you know, for yourself and for your own interest is
what people do. But if we don't begin to start vote,
because you know, they say that that if you don't,
it's like, for example, when that when you said, brother,
when you start talking about the things about the immigrant
immigrant community and how they were coming after immigrants and
(55:38):
specifically Latinos, right, and then now.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
All of a sudden, we've saw.
Speaker 8 (55:45):
Certain legislature that's allowing basically the law enforcement to to
basically profile racially profile people. And now all of a sudden,
in reaction to that, now we're starting to see them
putting federal troops and you know in these areas and
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are you know, they don't know anything about law enforcement.
These are these you know, I was in a military,
and I was a police officer, and I can tell
you they're two different things. I mean, well they're supposed
to be two different things. And obviously in a military
you're not taught how to you know, you're taught how
you know.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You're a trained killer. You're trained to go after the enemy.
Speaker 8 (56:34):
And now they're saying that these individuals, our own citizens
are now enemies. We're deploying troops on our own citizens.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
And to me, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (56:44):
That people really reacted to that. I mean, that's a
that's a crisis when you're when you're saying.
Speaker 9 (56:51):
About in the thing about it is that you know,
exactly outside of Washington, DC, the the National Guard that
are in Washington.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
D C.
Speaker 9 (57:04):
Are literally playing the role of the Department of Public Works.
You know, they're picking up trash, they're not doing anything.
And he's using this as a smoke screen to create
the narrative that's necessary so when you do decide to
declare martial law, you can claim that there's a president. Oh,
(57:24):
I had to send troops to Los Angeles. I had
to send troops to you know, Washington, DC. You know,
the country is out of control, so I need to
make sure that we lock the country down. All of
this is a smoke screen. And I love what's happening
in Chicago right now because the governor of Illinois Pritsville
is really fighting back. The mayor is fighting back, and
(57:45):
I think that's what has to happen. We have to
call the bluff because that's all this is. And if
you look at the faces of these National guards men
that are in these cities, they don't want to be there. Oh,
that's not their role to be police officers. And if
you look at the police officers, and here's the other irony.
(58:07):
So the Republican Party was supposed to be the party
of law and order. But you don't respect local police,
right you don't respect local police in January sixth, when
you had local police officers die from that insurrection. You
don't respect local police to do their jobs in municipalities.
The President of the United States has absolutely no authority
(58:31):
over local law enforcement. And so we have this egregious
violation of the law right now where you have a
president authorizing federal troops, deputizing the National Guard, federalizing the
National Guard in the most unconstitutional way. And the real
(58:53):
test is going to be will the Supreme Court allow
this right, and if they do, then we know what
we're up again.
Speaker 8 (59:03):
Wow, that's crazy, and it's you know, it's it's it's
you're right about your analysis of what's going on, as
far as them deploying the troops and how it's like
it is a smoke screen and a way of edging
towards you know, martial law, right, and as far as
like edging towards the issue of I mean, Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I have no idea what they're doing right now. Yes,
I really don't, man.
Speaker 9 (59:30):
But look, and I think that's I think that's everyone's
perspective right now. But but what he's done, he has
created the equivalent of the Nazi SF and ICE. So
you have these people who show up in communities, and
I'm not convinced that all of these ICE officers are
(59:56):
truly ICE officers. No, I believe that there's infiltration by
groups like the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers. It is
why they are wearing masks, it is why they never
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Today, our.
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Discussion is going to be on the No Kings protests.
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Be Walter Field, who serves as a.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Community Engagement in Public Policy Liaison for the National Center
for the Elimination of Educational Disparities at Morgan State University.
In that role, he also manages the Family Engagement in
Public Policy portfolio at the National Center for the Elimination
of Educational Disparities, helping to design and lead its work
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in education equity. He holds a Bachelor of Arts and
political Science from Morgan State University. He earned a Master
of Public Administration specializing in public policy analysis from the
Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New
York University, where he was a Patricia Roberts Harris Fellow
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and received several honors. He also holds a Master of
Arts and Political Science from the City University of New
York Graduate Center, and he is currently pursuing a doctoral
degree and applies sociology and social justice at Morgan State University,
with a research focus on black father hood and the
recognition of black men in sustaining healthy black families.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
In his early career of course, which.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Was primarily in journalism, public affairs, and government relations and advocacy,
he served as director of public Affairs for the New
York Trial Lawyers Association and vice president for government Relations
for the Community Service Society in New York City. He
launched a Black Parents Workshop and incorporated a nonprofit parent
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advocacy organization based in South Orange, New Jersey, which pursued
landmark federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of black students.
He also has been involved internationally consulting on democraization in
Southern Africa, product liability law in Japan, working with the
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Operation Black Vote in the UK and more. And in
his current role at Morgan State University, he is involved
in research, public engagement and he also served as the
communications director of the last administration of Aouda Fa Theta
Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And welcome Fred. How you doing brother?
Speaker 9 (08:14):
How you doing? Man? Look, I'm listening to you saying
who is that guy he's talking about? He's done a lot.
But I do want to make a disclaimer because nothing
that I say today will represent Morgan State University. I
want to keep my university safe because I may have
to say something on air.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Also, yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Also something else I wanted to say, as you know,
you know I was I'm an old country boy. I
was born and raised in Tennessee. So you know, people
always say, you know, when you're from the streets, you know,
game recognizes game. But when you're from you know, the South,
you know, a real man recognizes a real man. And
I just want to let you know, man, that it's
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been nothing more than a pleasure to know.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You and and and it did take me.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Very long to realize that you're a real man.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Man.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
There's no question about that, And I just want to
let you know that, you know, being also being a
member of all the Five Theater fraternity Incorporated. The highlights
of me becoming a member of that organization is meeting
your brother, because I have nothing more than nothing much
less than respect for you. And it's just been a
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pleasure just knowing you, man and watching you man, I do.
I definitely want you to know that. And also we're
both girl.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Dads, right so yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Yeah, so it's been nothing but a pleasure knowing you,
broh for sure.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Hey, like likewise, brother, Look, I think when we travel
through life, we hope to meet people who are the
same mind and spirit, and that's not often the case, brother,
but you were certainly one of those people. I always
smile when I look at your Facebook posts because I'm like, yeah,
brother's doing the work. He's out there doing the work.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Man.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
Look, man, we have to figure out who we are
in this moment. You know. I think when we think
about what happened yesterday, I think it was the beginning
of a real human rights movement in the United States.
You know, we've been trying to figure out, like, how
do we protect all of these vulnerable folks who this
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current administration has simply discarded or attack. And I think
yesterday with seven million people, regardless of what bag is
saying about the AI generated images and that you know
they were using video from other marches, Look, we know
that there were millions on the streets yesterday of all persuasions.
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And I think this is a moment that we've been
waiting for for a long time in this country, that
people are beginning to wake up and realize that it's
not necessarily about me, but it could be about someone
that I know or love, or someone that lives next
to me. So I can't be lazy anymore, Like I
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have to be out here and be an advocate. So
you know, the work that you do there out in
the West Coast, you know, it just has so much
meaning because there are people who don't know where to turn,
and there are people whose legal rights to being violated.
And I think, you know, you embody the spirit of
those civil rights lawyers from the nineteen fifties to nineteen sixties.
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We often forget put everything on the line, like they
risk everything, their careers, their families because going to court
in a hostile court room with a hostile jury with
a hostile judge. The fight for someone's rights took a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Of courage, right, absolutely, man, Yeah, I appreciate that. Definitely
appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (11:50):
And speaking of lawyers, joining us today is another lawyer,
Laura Marino, who I often do work with, who's a
a litigator and and and does great work and has
that same you know spirit and and and embodies you know,
that that fight spirit.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
She's a first generation uh US citizen and she also
the first generation college graduate, and she practices here in
uh southern California as well. So I appreciate you joining
us in this discussion as.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Well for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Absolutely absolutely we need her, we need her, right.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
So, yeah, the no Kings protests, so so, basically, do
you think there was a particular moment or event that
sparked this protest or I mean, and I know the answer,
but I'd love to hear your input on why choose
the phrase no kings and what does what do you
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think that symbolizes?
Speaker 9 (12:56):
Well, you know, it's funny, right because when you really
think about founding of this country, it was an act
of treason. You had a group of people from another
country who were granted land in a new country, a
new land, and who turned their back on their kings,
who basically said like, we don't care that we're British citizens,
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Like we're not gonna pay taxes anymore, We're going to
create our own country. That was an active treason. And
we talked about the American Revolution as some honorary sayings,
but it was a treason its act. And so we
come full circle now where we have a president who's
trying to act like a king, and we have a
nation that yesterday resoundingly said no, we're not going to
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accept it. So for me, I think the moment that
struck me yesterday because I was watching the video from
all across the country. I believe it might have been
in Boston where they were carrying a huge replica of
the United States Constitution down the street, and I said, wow,
that's amazing because when you think about that constitution, the
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original Constitution had no intention of including some of us
as citizens. Like what we're doing right now is the
second American Revolution, because we're saying everybody has to be included.
Those founders didn't think that black people should have been included,
and here we are saying, not only black people, but
our Latino brothers and sisters are LGBTQ community, Like everybody
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has to be included to make this document real. And
I think it's an awakening in this country where people
now their eyes are turned towards how did this country
get started? Like what were the principles upon which it
was founded? And despite the lofty language, why haven't we
ever fulfilled those principles? And we're not going to let
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somebody come into the White House and completely discard what
we've been told all of our lives has meaning. And
so you know, I laughed when I saw the video
because I thought of Donald Trump's first press conference. It's
his press sexually, his first press conference after his inauguration,
and he told the bold face lie about him have
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the largest crowd of any inauguration in history. And then
I looked at the crowds. Yes, they said, but you
can't count because if you want to see the largest crowd,
look out your window. It really filled my heart, man,
because I think for so many decades we thought people
didn't care, and every time there was a march, you
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worried about the size of the march and whether or
not it was going to be televised and effective. Man,
yesterday was just a new high mark for me in
terms of citizen action.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Right it was, Man, And you know, it's kind of like,
you know, the thing that always gets me, you know,
And I'll be honest with you, Man, I never thought
he was going to get real acted. It really blew
my mind because you know, this is what I thought.
My thought process was.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That even if.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
You believe in what he was saying, I always felt
like there were gatekeepers who knew that there was way
too much at stake with him becoming the president of
the United States, because in the final analysis, we're all,
you know, the the our mere existence I believe is
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at stake with him as president of the United States.
And I thought that there would be you know, cooler
heads would prevail, even if it meant, you know, doing
something you know that they shouldn't do, just to keep
this man from getting into into into office. But I
just I don't believe that people really understand the vulnerable
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position that we are in as a nation with him
as a president of the United States. I just don't
believe that they truly understand, you know, the consequences of
him being in that office.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Well, you know, white supremacy is a powerful drugs and
for centuries in this country, it made people vote against
their interests. And I think Donald Trump, being from ethnic queens,
understood that. And so we have a population of Americans
who habitually vote against their interests simply because they're voting
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for whiteness. Now we're going to see how long that persists,
as long as this government shutdown continues, because when people
start feeling it in their pockets, feeling it in their homes,
we're going to see if they're going to continue to
support this man in the way that they have. But
we're already seeing cracks in the armor, you know, around
issues around health care and jobs and the prices that
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people face when they walk into stores. But the tragedy
of America is that America will never fulfill its potential
until number one it acknowledges its past. Number two rectifies
this past, and number three understands that It's true strength
is the fact that we are the only nation in
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the world with this diverse of population and the human
capital that we have outpaces any country in the world.
If we just stop discriminating against people, you know, it's
that simple.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yeah it is, man, I mean, it's just and it's
just funny that you know you think that it means
that much. I mean, to me, I think that when
you know, almost like supremacy is to some extent a misnomer,
you know, because I just feel like, to a certain
extent that that fear, I mean that type of fear
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where you know, you're so scared that you know, it's
almost like.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
When you when.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
You look at like and I hate to use this analogy,
but like mob bosses, you know, I mean it's like
you do so much dirt, then you you are so
focused on making sure that those people that you the
fear of, those people that you that you've done so
much dirt to, are going to somehow do to.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You what you've done to them.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
And I think a lot of people a lot of
it is is that to me right, because the reality
of it is the psychosis of believing that someone is
that you're superior to someone. It's hard for me to
believe that you would do so much to oppress people
who have no.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Ability to do anything right.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
It's just like everybody goes after the champ, Nobody goes
after the challenger.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Right. You know, it's the mythology of superiority.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
And so when we think about when we have pierced
that veil on issues that were important, but we're not
necessarily like altering. Think about Jackie Robinson breaking the color
barrier simply because they wanted to play baseball, right, and
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the death threats right against Jackie Robinson. You can think
about when Hank Aaron broke Babel's record and there were
death death threats against Hank Aaron simply because he was
going to break a athletic record of a white athlete.
This myth has been so embedded in the minds of
so many white people that they can't fathom the idea
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that number one, they could be a minority. And I
think it's because they fear that what has happened to
other folks will, like you said, be returned upon them.
But number two, they have a false sense of superiority.
And that's where you get the whole Antidia initiative. Right.
And so people you know want to talk about, well
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we didn't you didn't earn your spot, and that black
people and people are taking the jobs of white people.
And I always point to the statistics, so you know,
black lawyers make up only about four percent of all
lawyers in America. Black engineers only make up about four
percent of all black engineers. So I don't know whose
job we're taking. So either you know, or is the
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message that four percent is too much, that we shouldn't
have anything. And so you look at that and you
realize how utterly ridiculous racism is, and you look at
the contributions of black and brown people to this country,
and then you have to ask the question, Okay, let's
take away those contributions that we've made to this country.
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What would America be. We wouldn't even be an economic
power because enslaved Africans gave you know, America.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That start exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
And you know, it's funny because the attacks on Latinos,
particularly those who you know, are doing legitimate work in
this country. And what do we see happening right now?
You got farmers complaining because they can't find workers. You
got farms getting ready to go out of business. And
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so you know, as I tell everyone, look, I know
for a fact black people aren't doing those jobs, and
I know for fat white people ain't doing those jobs.
And the only reason why lack you know immigrants are
doing those jobs is because it's a first step opportunity
to create a life in this country, just like Italians
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and Chinese and you know, every other ethnic group came
into this country starting at a point to try to
create a place for themselves in America. But we have
a president who wants to demonize and MANI he's only
demonizing black and brown people. So if you want to
start talking about immigration, black and brown people are not
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the only immigrants in this country. Like so, I don't
see him going to areas where there are white European
immigrants and hauling people away from their families, throwing children
in vans, disbanding families. I don't see it happening among
white European immigrants. It's only happening among black and brown people.
So it's clear what the intention is, and that is
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why I think yesterday's mark was so significant because you
saw a see of humanity out there in the streets.
It was a little bit of everybody out in the streets,
and contrary to how it was being portrayed as being
anti American, it was probably the most American demonstration I
have seen in my lifetime.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Barnun Wow, Yeah, that's that's crazy. You know.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
One of the things that I was curious about is
I wonder, is this is just my thought about you know,
where we are. It almost seems like, you know, he
kind of stumbled onto a niche that maybe he didn't
realize that he had. So in other words, it seems
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to me that during the first his first run for office,
that when he was debating and he made the statement
about building the wall, it seemed like that's when his
popularity really took off. And you know, was that intentional
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or was it accident? I mean, has he embraced a
paradigm that he realizes that puts him in a position where,
you know, as a you know, somewhat of a businessman,
he realizes that that's a market that he basically has,
is a loyal market that he's cornered, and he realizes
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that sometimes you know, a fool is a fool, is
a fool? Or do you think all this was intentional altogether?
Speaker 9 (24:58):
Well, I think it's a little bit of I mean,
we have to trace Donald Trump's history, so we can
go back to the Central Park jogger case and saw
how he tried to manipulate the public on that issue
by running a full page ad calling for the execution
of young black men who were the alleged, you know,
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culprits who were later exonerated. And so Donald Trump has
always known how to exploit divisions. And I think what
happened when he was in the president the first time. Look,
we have to remember what his cabinet looked like the
first time. His cabinet was made up of some seasoned
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political pros compared to now, and most of those seasoned
political pros resigned from that cabinet and became enemies of
Donald Trump because they came in there and they say like,
look like, we can't do this. This is a government.
There's law, and we're not going to allow you to
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abuse the laws. So we'd rather just resign and leave.
So this collection of folks that he has, now, these
are mere servants of Donald Trump. They will do anything
that this president commands. So I think Trump knew that, yes,
he did have a market, and he understood the power
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of racism and xenophobia and combined both of them in
a way that allowed what was already festering in this country.
He allowed that to percolate and then explode. We saw
that on January sixth, right during the insurrection at the Capitol.
Who among us would have ever thought that the United
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States Capitol building would be assaulted in that way? But
he latched on to something. He latched on to that
underlying hate and fear among white Americans. And so now
you even see how it's infratry traded Christianity, where white
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Christian nationalism has taken off, Like there is truly a
thickness in America when it comes around issues of race.
And he understood that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Right it is. Yeah, he definitely has gotten to that point.
What were you showing me there?
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Yeah, so I was, you know, thinking, as you guys
are chatting here and you know, how is this affecting
our court system? And what can we do to stop this?
I mean, what voice do we really have? The No
King's Parade, as I was sharing Withzulu, was a way
that just the average person that wants to be involved
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can just release their anger and their frustrations and show
the government, Hey, we're not with this in the courthouse
or as lawyers, we're frustrated. I mean, the laws are changing,
we're constantly evolving. We're trying to calm our clients down
while fighting the cause and was thinking about this and
I've shared this before with even my husband. I mean,
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Trump is really put himself in a position to just
bombard us in that he picked three of the Supreme
Court justices out of the night. He has the house stacked.
So it's really hard to get a good legal fight
against him because it's like he's put the house on
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his side. So what do we do to combat that?
And how can we that's.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
A good ques.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Well, I think the first thing we can do is
understand that, you know, we have mid term elections coming up,
and so if Democrats gained control of the House, that's
one level of resistance that will have on Capitol Hill.
The Supreme Court issue is difficult because he understood, as
did President Bush, you will appoint fairly young justices because
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that lifetime of appointment means they're going to be on
the bench for three or four decades. And so I
think the solution to the Supreme Court and I think
Democrats have to pull a trigger on this if they
gain off. You know, all branches of government expand the
number of justices on the court. You know that nine
is not a magic number. There were once fewer than
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nine justices on the Supreme Court. So you expand those
justices and you appoint justices who are going to be
fair minded, and I think that's a solution to the
Supreme Court. Or you try to term limit Supreme Court justices.
You know the idea that you have state supreme courts
that have term limits, but in the United States Supreme Court,
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the Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court is probably
the most anti democratic institution in government. It won't allow
its sessions to be televised. You have justices that can
serve a lifetime and barring that they kill someone, and
I don't even know if that would remove them. It
is difficult to impeach a Supreme Court justice. Now, look,
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it was designed in that way because it was a
fear of what There was a fear of a monarch developing,
a king that would developed, so you needed to have
a judicial body that would keep that person in check,
that executive in check. But that's no longer the case.
You've got to renegade United States Supreme Court. That's probably
going to put the final nail in the coffin of
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the voting right back. And so you're right it's like
where do you go for relief? So I think one
thing people can do join an organization like we can't
fight this as individuals like join an organization right contribute
to the ACLU, contribute to the NAACP legal defense and
educational funds. Organize in your own community. Make sure that
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you're involved at the local level, because many of these
right wing members of Congress that we have today started
out on boards of education and started out in city
councils and state legislatures. So we have to pay attention
to lower level government because this is going to be
a long rebuild. First, even if a Democrat is elected
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in twenty twenty eight, the economy is going to be
in shamples and it's probably going to take several years
to come out of an economic decline. And so no
one should sit around thinking that there's a quick fix
to this. Donald Trump has done so much damage to
this country. Think about all the federal employees that are
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no longer there. Think about all the expertise that we
have lost, and all these critical federal agencies Department of Justice, right,
Department of Health and Human Services. We've lost so much
expertise that God forbid, we have another pandemic, because if
we do, it's going to make the last one look mild. So,
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you know, I think we need to accept the fact
that this is going to be a long road back,
and what we really have to do is lean on
each other and understand that the institutions we once relied
on for relief and justice are no longer those institutions.
We can't count on the Department of Justice anymore because
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we know what that looks like. Any time they allow
a president to violate law. You know that that's no
longer a Department of Justice, a department of injustice. You know,
you have a Department of the Defense that has reverted
back to its old titles Department of War, which just
sends a signal to American what to expect the militarization
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of our nation. And we're seeing that now with the
President of trying to send the National Guard into areas
that have done incredibly well in trying to reduce violence,
and I work in one of them, the city of
Baltimore with violent crime isn't an all time low in
the City of Baltimore, but just President it's using these
instances to create a narrative to increase his power and
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authority in a way that could eventually lead to the
declaration of martial law.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Right and and that's real, see, And that's the thing
is that that you know, there's so many people that
really don't understand. In my opinion, it's like where we're
headed and how serious you know, this uh, this administ
how serious this administration is with with regards to the
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ability or likelihood that it could be the fall of
I mean, people talk about the fall of America, you
know what I mean. You hear people say that, but
I mean, to me, I think that is the that's
such a reality right now because you know, empires, that's
how they fall, you know, from from from the from within.
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And I think that that's what we're seeing, is you're
seeing a and when it says no King, that's exactly
what we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
We're looking at somebody who.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Is basically really creating or trying to create achy of
monarchy that is you know, uh, ultimately gonna be. And
and you know, when it comes to something that's really
interesting to me is the you know, although I've never
been a Republican and you know, what I've seen as
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far as the way he's hijacked, you know, the Republican Party,
and I think that we're seeing how you know, as
you said earlier, there's there's starting to become a significant
backlash behind that is this guy. This guy has to
be the most unpatriotic human being that I've ever seen
in my life. And it began with the whole thing
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about you know, whatever you think, and it begins here
is no matter what you thought about John McCain, the
thing that you could never criticize him for is his
service to this country. And when he said that about
John McCain and everybody was cool with it, especially that party,
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that just took me back.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It really did.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
I'm like, you know, and the way that he's done
is generals the things that he said about individuals who
even served this country, you know, and they still rolling
with him. You cannot have much, you know, at least
before in the Republican Party. You know, you could kind
of shake your head and kind of you know what
I mean, But I mean, it's it's it's terrible, man,
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it really is, and that it's hard for me to
believe that we really had those type of individuals in
this country.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
There's no Republican Party. I mean, you know, and I
think you know part of what you bring up.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And so.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
Growing up as a big fan of Superman, the comic theory,
the comic book series, in the television show, and in
a comic book series, there was bizarro Superman who was
the exact opposite of Superman. Like Superman was good and virtuous,
Bizarro Superman was evil. We've got bizarro President Trump. And
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you look at this man and you realize there's not
a patriotic bone in his body. There's not a moral
bone in his body. His only interest is in power
and accumulating wealth. It has nothing to do with governance.
And unfortunately in America, you know, the hype of capitalism
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is that you two can one day be wealthy. Well
you can't. But there are so many people in America
that have been brought into that that they see Donald
Trump as virtuous just because they consider him a wealthy man.
And he has gotten away with some things that no
other presidents would ever have been able to get away with.
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Could you imagine Barack Obama posting some of the things
that Donald Trump post official White House Instagram page never.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Not in a way you could get away with something
like that.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
But Trump understood the moment. And look, the reality is
this was building up for some time from the very
beginning when Barack Obama was elected. What was the first attack,
He's not an American, he's a Muslim, and they were
planting the seeds then to come back in a way
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to use that as a counter to this notion of
who is truly an American? And even today they raised
Barack Obama's name. This guy's been out of office for
a nine years, Yeah, and they still use him because
they know how to stir the pot. And so you know,
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when I look at that, you realize that I think
the Obama election so disturbed the psyche, particularly if white
men in America, that they were determine that never again.
And you saw that happen again with Kamala Harris in
the way they tried to create a narrative around her
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like she's not black. Right, we don't know what she is,
but she's not black. She's not qualified, which was the
silliest attack. But again we're not You know, these folks
don't care about qualifications. You can be the most qualified
African American or Latino and it wouldn't matter because for them,
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an uneducated, ignorant white man is more qualified. And so
I think part of what we are facing is the
reality of what America really is, like this period of
time is really and look, it may not last. You know,
we're coming upon the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of
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this nation. That's not a long time, No, it's not.
And so I always tell people like, we're still in
our infancy. There's no guarantee that what we know as
this nation will exist going forward, and we better be
ready to fight to create something new and better or
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we're all going to have a miserable time in this country.
Because when you look at when you look at the
deployment of agents who are basically acting like they have
the power of the futuritive slave law, snatching people off
the streets, wearing masks, not identifying themselves as agents, not
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showing any credentials that they are law on for, but
basically just snatching people, right, And so it's racial profiling
on steroids.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well you said something interesting. There's a
couple of things. Number one is as far as the
infancy of the of America as a as a nation,
or so called power that you know, if there was,
as we speak, if there was a book written or
there's a world history book and it was, and it
(40:29):
was a book comparing the world powers, the well, there's
not enough in American history to probably even make.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
It a chapter. And I don't think people understand that.
In other words, I know you're looking at me, but I'm.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Saying that when you look at the Chinese dynasties and
some of these other dynasties that lasted for centuries, America,
as he said, when you think about two hundred and
fifty years, we don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
That's a very very short time.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
That's an infant, right, so you know, it's not like
we've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And I think that sometimes I believe that as a nation,
you know, we.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
Forget how young we are, you know, and I think
that's an issue. The second thing I wanted to say
is that, and this is kind of a joke to
a certain extent, is that you know who probably is
happy that Donald Trump became President of the United States
is Bush too? Because man, I thought that you know
(41:41):
now that we look at Bush now, just think about
how we looked at Bush too before. Now he almost
looks like, you know what I mean, he legitimate.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
I mean because we thought he wasn't smart.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
We used to make fun of Bush and all this,
but we look back now we're like man comparison.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
Yeah, well look the Bush family, they were old line conservatives,
you know, and I think we forget that. Even Richard
Nixon was an old line conservative, right. Richard Nixon was
you know, certainly corrupt and was trying to manipulate power,
and he abused the Constitution. But Richard Nixon did have
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some degree of a policy framework that he believed in.
There is none of that today in the Trump administration.
It's just simply that seems as much power as we can,
as quickly as we can, and create enough chaos to
throw people off balance. And I think that is what
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they are hoping, that they will overwhelm the American public
by just creating chaos. And the thing that we don't
understand in this country is that, yes, we are a
world power, but we are a fairly recent world power.
You know, we became a dominant power militarily after World
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War Two. Like the development of the atomic bomb just
put the United States in a position of superiority that
every other country had to fear. And so when you
really think about America's power, we're talking about a very
short period of time. But look what's happened in that
short period of time. Other countries now have developed nuclear power,
(43:34):
the nuclear weapons, So India, right, Takis, like you have
all these other countries that have nuclear capability, and we
have the most unstable president that we've ever had. Right,
so what happens when he decides that he's going to
unleash a nuclear weapon on another country or allow another
(43:58):
country to unleash a new your weapons. We are dealing
with a very unstable man, a very unstable federal government.
And I'm convinced, as you pointed out, that if you
look at the other fallen empires, they always fell from within.
(44:18):
And I'm prone to believe that there is a group
of senior US military officials who think about this every day.
When Pete Hexas and Donald Trump made their appearance before
(44:38):
all those generals and admirals, and you saw the stone faces,
you heard no applause, and you looked at the expressions
on their faces, I think those were men and women
who understood that they took an oath to the Constitution
and not that raging idiot who was yelling at them.
And I believe that if there is a downfall, it
(45:02):
will be because military leaders step in at the appropriate
time and sees power. Sounds crazy, but after that reaction,
you know, in most times, if you have the President
of the United States speaking, there will at least be
polite applaud from military leaders. There was nothing. You could
hear a pin drop. And I think it was because
(45:25):
these people looked at him and said, this idiot, because
they're the ones who have to execute the orders to
send men and women into combat, and they're looking at
this guy like, now, we will never follow those orders.
So you know, I just believe that time is running
short on America is and and there's no King's protests.
(45:52):
I think was the best indication that Americans will fight back.
I think Donald Trump mistakenly believed that his arrogance alone
would intimidate people, and I think yesterday the American public
spoke loudly instead f you, like, we're not gonna lay
(46:17):
down and take this anymore.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 8 (46:22):
I was going to ask you, Laura, with regards to
the Latino situation, as far as they're voting and it
seemed like there was at least there's this idea that
there was this overwhelming, at least initially the support for
you know, Donald Trump in this administration. Obviously the first
(46:44):
thing that he did is we see that that kind
of backfire to a certain extent.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So so what do you think about that aspect of it?
Speaker 10 (46:53):
As far as the Latino's feely like, Yeah, why do you.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
Think there was such a the support that you had
from that community? Why do you think that there was
a support for this guy?
Speaker 10 (47:06):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Do you think it's because of who he was running against?
Speaker 10 (47:11):
I honestly couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know,
and I'm not in that position to speak for why
they were. I mean, I heard different things from the
Latino community, but I don't really have an answer to that. Mean, everybody,
there's not a blanket answer as to why people do
what they do. You couldn't say that the people were educated,
(47:35):
You couldn't say that, you couldn't say that they had
something to gain from it.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
It's just.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
I mean, I think that you saw that primarily it
tended to be more Latino men than it did women.
So I was kind of wondering was it kid you
was it contributed? And I think maybe in part maybe
because it was Kamala Harris was a person and he
was running against a woman.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I don't know what you think, brother, what do you.
Speaker 9 (48:01):
Think that I think it was a combination of an
appeal to conservatism, appeal to sexism, and an appeal to religiosity.
And I think you know, when you look at the
Latino community, there are certainly aspects that resemble Black America.
(48:23):
You know, Black Americans tend to be church going, can
be very socially conservative, right, And so I think Donald
Trump would understood that with the Latino community. And I
think Donald Trump and his team they appeal to the
Latino community in a way to suggest to them that
(48:48):
you are not the other like black people are the other.
You are more like us than you are like them.
And I think for Latino men, I think that was
a message that resonated. Now, look, I think you know,
people vote based upon what they hear, and so I
(49:10):
think they heard some things that sounded good to them.
But it's always the after effect after the election, where
you really begin to understand how you've been manipulated, right,
And so I think right now in the Latino community,
because I see the social media post, I think there's
(49:31):
an awakening. I think people realize that we were lied to.
And look, it's easy to vote for someone when you
think they're going to go after somebody else and not you, right, right,
And that's just a natural thing. I don't care what
group it is. Like, if it's not us, we're gonna
be okay. So you know, but this guy is going
(49:55):
after black and brown people in a way. And look,
it's also a realization and that we can say we're
African Americans, we can say we're Latino. We are all
the same people, our roots are from the same place.
And the only reason why some of us, you know,
don't speak Spanish is because our ancestors were dropped off
(50:16):
at a different port. But when the ship goes down,
we're all going to go down. It's not going to
be there's not going to be a way to save
each group separately. So I think the reality here and
this is the opportunity. The opportunity is to come together
in a way that reshapes the new nation. So Latinos,
(50:39):
Black Asian Americans, American Indians, poor Americans of all races
and ethnicity. That's a powerful coalition. It's what doctor King
was trying to put together at the time of his
depth in the Poor People's March. And I think yesterday
to me was the first step towards that movement that
(50:59):
for so long when we had marches in Washington, DC,
it was either women marching by themselves. It was either
Latinos marching by themselves or black folks marching by themselves.
White folks kind of took a pass because they didn't
have to march unless it was around the issue of abortion, right,
But yesterday everyone was marching together because finally the light
(51:26):
bulb went off in people's heads, like it's not about them,
it's about all of them. And so, you know, I
hear a lot of criticism of the Latino community from
the last election, and I understand, but look, we also
understand have to understand that about how politics manipulates the conscience,
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and we can forgive and we can move forward if
we just have an honest discussion about where we are presently.
I'm horrified by the way Latinos and country are being
treated right now. It's despicable. The fact that families are
being broken up, the fact that American citizens are being
(52:08):
arrested simply because of the way they look, right and
knowing that our legal protections are on thin ice right now,
right that chances are you know, you might get a
lower court ruling that goes in your favor, you might
get an appeals court ruling that goes in your favor,
but once it goes to the High Court, you know,
(52:29):
it's like your chances are slim. And that's the reality
right now because if you look at all the court
rulings against Donald Trump, they've come at the district court
level for the most part, district court and appeals court,
and those judges, and some of them are Trump appointed judges,
are saying loudly no, like we're going to violate the
(52:51):
Constitution to support this. But that Supreme Court is so
politicized that your chances are slim that you're going to
get We had a good outcome going before the Supreme
Court at this.
Speaker 10 (53:03):
Point, I think with one thing that we all have
to remember is we've got to have our representation. So
for example, in California, it's large large, I believe it's
like almost half, if not half, Latino based, and we
don't have enough judicial officers that mirror us. You know,
(53:24):
we have a lot of older non minority judges in power,
and as they're getting ready to retired, we're just as qualified.
But the thing is we're not making our advancements towards
the bench. And it's not just the Latinos. It's my
Asian family and friends that aren't also. You know, we're
(53:47):
starting to get in there, but we really need to
be more representative of the people that's here.
Speaker 8 (53:55):
Yeah, and hopefully that we're beginning to start understanding that,
you know, this is a fight that if we don't
do it collectively, and maybe people are understanding that whole
idea of doing it collectively, because what sometimes has been
the issue with regards to minorities is that we tend
(54:18):
to limit humanity to our own people sometimes. And I
think that what we're seeing, as you stated, brother, they
when we were doing the protest, that you're seeing different
people from different paradigms and different ethnic groups, that we're
coming together for one cause and understanding the constitution and
(54:39):
understanding that our constitution is under attack. We need to
keep that same rhythm going, you know. So it's really
a make or break moment for this country. You know,
and hopefully that people are really understanding that, you know,
we do really need to because sometimes I mean, we
got to that got to that point, or you know,
(55:02):
Roy Jones had that song, that song called y'all must
have forgotten. So I was beginning to start thinking, you know,
y'all got you know, people must have forgot.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
And oftentimes I think that we felt like that.
Speaker 8 (55:16):
You know, people, as you said, you know, you vote,
you know, for yourself and for your own interest is
what people do. But if we don't begin to start vote,
because you know, they say that that if you don't,
it's like, for example, when that when you said, brother,
when you start talking about the things about the immigrant
immigrant community and how they were coming after immigrants and
(55:38):
specifically Latinos, right, and then now.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
All of a sudden, we've saw.
Speaker 8 (55:45):
Certain legislature that's allowing basically the law enforcement to to
basically profile racially profile people. And now all of a sudden,
in reaction to that, now we're starting to see them
putting federal troops and you know in these areas and
(56:09):
are you know, they don't know anything about law enforcement.
These are these you know, I was in a military,
and I was a police officer, and I can tell
you they're two different things. I mean, well they're supposed
to be two different things. And obviously in a military
you're not taught how to you know, you're taught how
you know.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You're a trained killer. You're trained to go after the enemy.
Speaker 8 (56:34):
And now they're saying that these individuals, our own citizens
are now enemies. We're deploying troops on our own citizens.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
And to me, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (56:44):
That people really reacted to that. I mean, that's a
that's a crisis when you're when you're saying.
Speaker 9 (56:51):
About in the thing about it is that you know,
exactly outside of Washington, DC, the the National Guard that
are in Washington.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
D C.
Speaker 9 (57:04):
Are literally playing the role of the Department of Public Works.
You know, they're picking up trash, they're not doing anything.
And he's using this as a smoke screen to create
the narrative that's necessary so when you do decide to
declare martial law, you can claim that there's a president. Oh,
(57:24):
I had to send troops to Los Angeles. I had
to send troops to you know, Washington, DC. You know,
the country is out of control, so I need to
make sure that we lock the country down. All of
this is a smoke screen. And I love what's happening
in Chicago right now because the governor of Illinois Pritsville
is really fighting back. The mayor is fighting back, and
(57:45):
I think that's what has to happen. We have to
call the bluff because that's all this is. And if
you look at the faces of these National guards men
that are in these cities, they don't want to be there. Oh,
that's not their role to be police officers. And if
you look at the police officers, and here's the other irony.
(58:07):
So the Republican Party was supposed to be the party
of law and order. But you don't respect local police,
right you don't respect local police in January sixth, when
you had local police officers die from that insurrection. You
don't respect local police to do their jobs in municipalities.
The President of the United States has absolutely no authority
(58:31):
over local law enforcement. And so we have this egregious
violation of the law right now where you have a
president authorizing federal troops, deputizing the National Guard, federalizing the
National Guard in the most unconstitutional way. And the real
(58:53):
test is going to be will the Supreme Court allow
this right, and if they do, then we know what
we're up again.
Speaker 8 (59:03):
Wow, that's crazy, and it's you know, it's it's it's
you're right about your analysis of what's going on, as
far as them deploying the troops and how it's like
it is a smoke screen and a way of edging
towards you know, martial law, right, and as far as
like edging towards the issue of I mean, Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I have no idea what they're doing right now. Yes,
I really don't, man.
Speaker 9 (59:30):
But look, and I think that's I think that's everyone's
perspective right now. But but what he's done, he has
created the equivalent of the Nazi SF and ICE. So
you have these people who show up in communities, and
I'm not convinced that all of these ICE officers are
(59:56):
truly ICE officers. No, I believe that there's infiltration by
groups like the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers. It is
why they are wearing masks, it is why they never
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