KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 26 Oct, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 26 Oct, 2025

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Thank you for tuning in for This is just additional
Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Adli. I'm Attorney Zulu Adli
with the Justice Watch crew, Rose Nunez, Michael blau Clark,
doctor kil Pasher, Andrew Rohdeman. This week, like every week,
we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice issues that
are impacting our communities.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
Today, our.

Speaker 10 (05:40):
Discussion is going to be on the No Kings protests
and joining us in this really important UH discussion is
going to.

Speaker 8 (05:51):
Be Walter Field, who serves as.

Speaker 10 (05:56):
A Community Engagement in Public Policy Liaison for the National
Center for the Elimination of Educational Disparities at Morgan State University.
In that role, he also manages the Family Engagement in
Public Policy portfolio at the National Center for the Elimination
of Educational Disparities, helping to design and lead its work

(06:20):
in education equity. He holds a Bachelor of Arts and
Political Science from Morgan State University. He earned a Master
of Public Administration, specializing in public policy analysis from the
Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New
York University, where he was a Patricia Roberts Harris Fellow

(06:43):
and received several honors. He also holds a Master of
Arts and Political Science from the City University of New
York Graduate Center, and he is currently pursuing a doctoral
degree and applies sociology and social justice at Morgan State University,
with a research focused on black fatherhood and the recognition

(07:03):
of black men in sustaining healthy black families.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
In his early career, of course, which.

Speaker 10 (07:10):
Was primarily in journalism, public affairs, and government relations and advocacy,
he served as Director of public Affairs for the New
York Trial Lawyers Association and Vice president for government Relations
for the Community Service Society in New York City. He
launched a Black Parents Workshop and incorporated, a nonprofit parent

(07:32):
advocacy organization based in South Orange, New Jersey, which pursued
landmark federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of black students.
He also has been involved internationally, consulting on democraization in
Southern Africa, product libility law in Japan, working with the

(07:54):
Operation Black Vote in the UK, and more. In his
current role at Morga State University is involved in research,
public policy engagement, and he also served as the communications
director of the last administration of Aolda Theta Fraternity Incorporated
and Welcome Fred, How you doing.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
Brother, How you doing?

Speaker 9 (08:17):
Man?

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Look, I'm listening to you. Who is that guy he's
talking about? He's done a lot. But I do want
to make a disclaimer because nothing that I say today
will represent Morgan State University. I want to keep my
university safe because I may have to say something on air.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
Also, yeah, I appreciate you.

Speaker 10 (08:37):
Also something that I wanted to say, as you know,
you know I was I'm an old country boy. I
was born and raised in Tennessee, So you know, people
always say, you know, when you're from the streets, you know,
game recognizes game, but when you're from you know, the South,
you know, a real man recognized as a real man.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
And I just want to let you know, man.

Speaker 10 (08:57):
That it's been nothing more than a pleasure to know
you and and and it didn't take me very long
to realize that you you're a real man man, There's
no question about that. And I just want to let
you know that, you know, being also being a member
of all the Five Theater Fraternity Incorporated. The highlights of

(09:18):
me becoming a member of that organization is meeting you, brother,
because I have nothing more than nothing much less than
respect for you. And it's just been a pleasure just
knowing you, man, and and and watching you man. I
do I definitely want you to know that. And also
we're both girl dads, right so yeah, so yeah, so's

(09:39):
it's been nothing but a pleasure knowing you, bro.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
For sure.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
They like likewise, brother. Look, I think when we travel
through life, we hope to meet people who are the
same mind and spirit, and that's not often the case, brother,
but you were certainly one of those people. I always
smile when I look at your Facebook posts because I'm like, yeah,
brother's doing the work. He's out there doing the work.

(10:02):
And look, man, we have to figure out who we
are in this moment. You know. I think when we
think about what happened yesterday, I think it was the
beginning of a real human rights movement in the United States.
You know, we've been trying to figure out, like, how
do we protect all of these vulnerable folks who this

(10:25):
current administration has simply discarded or attacked. And I think
yesterday with seven million people, regardless of what bag is
saying about the AI generated images and that you know
they were using video from other marches, Look, we know
that there were millions on the streets yesterday of all persuasions.

(10:49):
And I think this is a moment that we've been
waiting for for a long time in this country, that
people are beginning to wake up and realize that it's
not necessarily about me, but it could be about someone
that I know or love, or someone that lives next
to me. So I can't be lazy anymore, like I

(11:09):
have to be out here and be an advocate. So
you know, the work that you do there out in
the West Coast, you know, it just has so much
meaning because there are people who don't know where to turn,
and there are people whose legal rights to being violated.
And I think, you know, you embody the spirit of
those civil rights lawyers from the nineteen fifties to nineteen sixties.

(11:31):
We often forget put everything on the line, like they
resk everything, their careers, their families because going to court
in a hostile court room, with a hostile jury, with
a hostile judge, the fight for someone's rights took a
lot of.

Speaker 10 (11:46):
Courage, right, absolutely, man, Yeah, I appreciate that. Definitely appreciate that.
And speaking of lawyers joining us today, is another lawyer,
Laura Marino, who I often do work with, who's a
a litigator and and and does great work and has
that same you know spirit, and and and embodies you

(12:08):
know that that fight spirit.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
Right.

Speaker 10 (12:13):
She's a first generation uh US citizen and she also
the first generation college graduate, and she practices here in
uh southern California as well.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
So I appreciate you joining us in this discussion.

Speaker 11 (12:26):
As well for having me appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Absolutely absolutely we need her, we need her, right. So, yeah,
the no Kings protests.

Speaker 10 (12:36):
So so basically, do you think there was a particular
moment or event that sparked this protest or I mean,
and I know the answer, but I'd love to hear
your input on why choose the phrase no kings and
what does what do you think that symbolizes?

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Well, you know, it's funny, right because because when you
really think about the founding of this country, it was
an act of treason. You had a group of people
from another country who were granted land in a new country,
a new land, and who turned their back on their kings,
who basically said like we don't care that we're British citizens,

(13:20):
Like we're not going to pay taxes anymore, We're going
to create our own country. That was an active treason.
And we talked about the American Revolutionists some honorary sayings,
but it was a treason this act. And so we
come full circle now where we have a president who's
trying to act like a king, and we have a
nation that yesterday resoundingly said no, we're not going to

(13:42):
accept it. So for me, I think the moment that
struck me yesterday because I was watching the video from
all across the country. I believe it might have been
in Boston where they were carrying a huge replica of
the United States Constitution down the street, and I said, wow,
that's amazing because when you say about that constitution, the

(14:02):
original Constitution had no intention of including some of us
as citizens. Like what we're doing right now is the
second American Revolution because we're saying everybody has to be included.
Those founders didn't think that black people shouldn't been included,
and here we are saying not only black people, but
our Latino brothers and sisters are LGBTQ community, Like everybody

(14:24):
has to be included to make this document real. And
I think it's an awakening in this country where people
now their eyes are turned towards how did this country
get started, like, what were the principles up from which
it was founded? And despite the lofty language, why haven't
we ever fulfilled those principles? And We're not going to

(14:46):
let somebody come into the White House and completely discard
what we've been told all of our lives has meaning.
And so you know, I laughed when I saw the
video because I thought of Donald Trump's first press conference,
his press sexually, his first press conference after his inauguration,
and he told the bold face lie about him have

(15:08):
the largest crowd of any inauguration in history. And then
I looked at the crowds yesterday, but you can't count
because if you want to see the largest crowds, look
out your window. It really filled my heart, man, because
I think for so many decades we saw people didn't care,
and every time there was a march, you worried about

(15:30):
the size of the march and whether or not it
was going to be televised and effective. Man, yesterday was
just a new high mark for me in terms of
citizen action.

Speaker 8 (15:40):
Right, it was, man.

Speaker 10 (15:42):
And you know, it's kind of like, you know, the
thing that always gets me, you know, And I'll be
honest with you, man, I never thought.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
He was going to get real acted.

Speaker 10 (15:53):
It really blew my mind because you know, this is
what I thought. My thought process was that even if
you believe in what he was saying, I always felt
like there were gatekeepers who knew that there was way
too much at stake with him becoming the president of

(16:16):
the United States, because in the final analysis, we're all,
you know, the the our mere existence, I believe is
at stake with him as president of the United States.
And I thought that there would be you know, cooler
heads would prevail, even if it meant, you know, doing
something you know that they shouldn't do, just to keep

(16:38):
this man from getting into into into office. But I
just I don't believe that people really understand the vulnerable
position that we are in as a nation with him.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
As a president of the United States.

Speaker 10 (16:55):
I just don't believe that they truly understand, you know,
the consequence of him being in that office.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
I really don't.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
Well, you know, white supremacy is a powerful drugs and
for centuries in this country, it made people vote against
their interests, and I think Donald Trump, being from ethnic queens,
understood that. And so we have a population of Americans
who habitually vote against their interests simply because they're voting

(17:25):
for whiteness. Now we're going to see how long that persists,
as long as this government shutdown continues, because when people
start feeling it in their pockets, feeling it in their homes,
we're going to see if they're going to continue to
support this man in the way that they have. But
we're already seeing cracks in the armor, you know, around
issues around health care and jobs and the prices that

(17:49):
people face when they walk into stores. But the tragedy
of America is that America will never fulfill its potential
until Number one it is knowledge of this past. Number
two rectifies this past, and number three understands that it's
true strength is the fact that we are the only
nation in the world with this diverse of population and

(18:12):
the human capital that we have outpaces in any country in
the world. If we just stop discriminatinggainst people, right, you know,
it's that simple.

Speaker 10 (18:22):
Yeah, it is, man, I mean, it's just and it's
just funny that you know, you think that.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
It means that much.

Speaker 10 (18:31):
I mean, to me, I think that when you you know,
almost like supremacy is to some extent a misnomer. You know,
because I just feel like, to a certain extent, that
that fear, I mean that type of fear where you know,
you're so scared that you know, it's almost like when

(18:55):
you when you look at like and I hate to
use this analogy, but like mob boss, you know, I mean,
it's like you do so much dirt, then you you
are so focused on making sure that those people that
you the fear of, those people that you that you've
done so much dirt to, are going to somehow do

(19:17):
to you what you've done to them. And I think
a lot of people, a lot of it.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
Is that to me, right, because the reality.

Speaker 10 (19:25):
Of it is the psychosis of believing that someone is
that you're superior to someone. It's hard for me to
believe that you would do so much to oppress people
who have.

Speaker 8 (19:38):
No ability to do anything. Right.

Speaker 10 (19:41):
It's just like everybody goes after the champ, nobody goes
after the challenges, right.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
You know, it's the mythology of superiority, right. And and so
when we think about when we have pierced that veil
on issues that were important were not necessarily life altered.
Think about Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier simply because

(20:08):
they wanted to play baseball, and the death threats right
against Jackie Robinson. You can think about when Hank Aaron
broke Babel's records and there were death death threats against
Hank Aaron simply because he was going to break a
athletic record of a white athlete. This myth has been
so embedded in the minds of so many white people

(20:32):
that they can't fathom the idea that number one, they
could be a minority, right, And I think it's because
they fear that what has happened to other folks will,
like you said, be returned upon them. But number two,
they have a false sense of superiority. And that's where
you get the whole Antidia initiative, right. And so people

(20:55):
you know, want to talk about well we didn't you
didn't earn your spot, and that black people and brown
people are taking the jobs of white people. And I
always point to the statistics. So you know, black lawyers
make up only about four percent of all lawyers in America.
Black engineers only make up about four percent of all
black engineers. So I don't know whose job we're taking,

(21:17):
So I you know, or is this message that four
percent is too much?

Speaker 8 (21:24):
That we shouldn't have anything, exactly.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
And so you look at that and you realize how
utterly ridiculous racism is, and you look at the contributions
of black and brown people to this country, and then
you have to ask the question, Okay, let's take away
those contributions that we've made to this country, what would
America be? We wouldn't even be an economic power because

(21:49):
enslaved Africans gave you know, America that start exactly. And
you know, it's funny because the attack on Latinos, particularly
those who you know, are doing legitimate work in this country.
And what do we see happening right now? You've got
farmers complaining because they can't find workers. You got farms

(22:12):
getting ready to go out of business. And so you know,
as I tell everyone, look, I know for a fact
black people aren't doing those jobs, right, and I know
for that white people ain't doing those jobs. And the
only reason why lack you know, immigrants are doing those
jobs is because it's a first step opportunity to create
a life in this country. Just like Italians and Chinese

(22:36):
and you know, every other ethnic group came into this
country starting at a point to try to create a
place for themselves in America. But we have a president
who wants to demonize, and he's only demonizing black and
brown people. So if you want to start talking about immigration,
black and brown people are not the only immigrants in

(22:58):
this country. So I don't see him going to areas
where they are white European immigrants and hauling people away
from their families, throwing children in vans, disbanding families. I
don't see it happening among white European immigrants. It's only
happening among black and brown people. So it's clear what
the intention is. And that is why I think yesterday's

(23:20):
mark was so significant, because you saw a see of
humanity out there on the streets. It was a little
bit of everybody out in the street. Yeah, And contrary
to how it was being portrayed as being anti American,
it was probably the most American demonstration I have seen
in my lifetime.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Bar Nuns, Wow, Yeah, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
You know.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
One of the things that I was curious about is.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
I wonder this is this is just my thought about
you know, where we are. It almost seems like, you know,
he kind of stumbled onto a niche that maybe he
didn't realize that he had. So in other words, it
seems to me that during the first his first run

(24:14):
for office, that when he was debating and he made
the statement about building the wall, it seemed like that's
when his popularity really took off. And you know, was
that intentional or was it accident? I mean, has he
embraced a paradigm that he realizes that puts him in

(24:40):
a position where, you know, as a you know, somewhat
of a businessman, he realizes that that's a market that
he basically has, it's a loyal market that he's cornered,
and he realizes that sometimes you know, a fool is
a fool is a fool? Or do you think all
this was intentional altogether?

Speaker 7 (25:00):
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. I mean,
we have to trace Donald Trump's history. So we can
go back to the Central Park jogger case and so
how you tried to manipulate the public on that issue
by running a full page ad calling for the execution
of young black men who were the alleged you know,

(25:21):
culprits who were later exonerated. And so Donald Trump has
always known how to exploit divisions, and I think what
happened when he was in a present the first time. Look,
we have to remember what his cabinet looked like the
first time. His cabinet was made up of some seasoned

(25:41):
political prose compared to now, and most of those seasoned
political pros resigned from that cabinet and became enemies of
Donald Trump because they came in there. They say like,
look like, we can't do this. This is a government.
There's law, and we're not going to allow you to

(26:03):
abuse the laws. So we'd rather just resign and leave.
So this collection of folks that he has, now, these
are mere servants of Donald Trump. They will do anything
that this president commands. So I think Trump knew that, yes,
he did have a market, and he understood the power

(26:24):
of racism and xenophobia and combined both of them in
a way that allowed what was already festering in this country.
He allowed that to percolate and then explode. We saw
that on January sixth, right during the insurrection at the Capitol.
Who among us would have ever thought that the United

(26:44):
States Capitol building would be assaulted in that way? But
he latched on to something. He latched on to that
underlying hate and fear among white Americans. And so now
you even see how it's infiltrated Christianity right where white

(27:05):
Christian nationalism has taken off, Like there is truly a
thickness in America when it comes around issues of race.
And he understood that right it is.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Yeah, he definitely has gotten to.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
That point.

Speaker 8 (27:22):
What were you showing me there?

Speaker 11 (27:23):
Yeah, so I was, you know, thinking, as you guys
are chatting here, and you know, how is this affecting
our court system and what can we do to stop this?
I mean, what voice do we really have? The no
King's parade? As I was sharing Miszulu as a way
that just the average person that wants to be involved

(27:43):
can just release their anger and their frustrations and show
the government, hey, we're not with this in the courthouse
or as lawyers, we're frustrated. I mean, the laws are changing,
we're constantly evolving. We're trying to calm our clients down
while fighting the cause. But I was thinking about this,
and I've shared this before with even my husband. I mean,

(28:06):
Trump is really put himself in a position to just
bombard us in that he picked three of the Supreme
Court justices out of the night. He has the House staffed.
So it's really hard to get a good legal fight
against him because it's like he's put the House on

(28:27):
his side. So what do we do to combat that
and how can we right That's.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
A good question. I think the first thing we can
do is understand that, you know, we have midterm elections
coming up, and so if Democrats gained control of the House,
that's one level of resistance that will have on Capitol Hill.
The Supreme Court issue is difficult because he understood, as

(28:55):
did President Bush, you will appoint fairly young justice because
that lifetime of appointment means they're going to be on
the bench for three or four decades. And so I
think the solution to the Supreme Court, and I think
Democrats have to pull a trigger on this if they
gain off, you know, all branches of government expand the

(29:15):
number of justices on the court. You know that nine
is not a magic number. There were once fewer than
nine justices on the Supreme Court. So you expand those
justices and you appoint justices who are going to be
fair minded, and I think that's the solution to the
Supreme Court. Or you try to term limit Supreme Court justices.

(29:36):
You know the idea that you have state supreme courts
that have term limits, but in the United States Supreme Court,
the Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court is probably
the most anti democratic institution in government. It won't allow
if sessions to be televised. You have justices that can
serve a lifetime and barring that they kill someone, and

(29:59):
I don't even know if that that would remove them.
It is difficult to impeach a Supreme Court justice. Now, look,
it was designed in that way because it was a
fear of what There was a fear of a monarch developing,
a king that would developed. So you needed to have
a judicial body that would keep that person in check,
that executive in check. But that's no longer the case.

(30:20):
You've got to renegade the United States Supreme Court. That's
probably going to put the final nail in the coffin
of the voting rights that and so you're right, it's
like where do you go for relief? So I think
one thing people can do join an organizations like we
can't fight this as individuals like join an organization right,

(30:41):
contribute to the ACLU, contribute to the NAACP legal defense,
and educational funds. Organize in your own community. Make sure
that you're involved at the local level, because many of
these right wing members of Congress that we have today
started out on boards of education, and they started out

(31:02):
in city councils and state legislatures. So we have to
pay attention to lower level government because this is going
to be a long rebuild. First, even if a Democrat
is elected in twenty twenty eight, the economy is going
to be in a chample and it's probably going to
take several years to come out of an economic decline.

(31:23):
And so no one should sit around thinking that there's
a quick fix to this. Donald Trump has done so
much damage to this country. Think about all the federal
employees that are no longer there. Think about all the
expertise that we have lost, and all these critical federal aids,
Department of Justice, right, Department of Health and Human Services.

(31:45):
We've lost so much expertise that God forbid we have
another pandemic, because if we do, it's going to make
the last one look mild. So, you know, I think
we need to except the fact that this is going
to be a long road back, and what we really

(32:06):
have to do is lean on each other and understand
that the institutions we once relied on for relief and
justice are no longer those institutions. We can't count on
the Department of Justice anymore because we know what that
looks like. Any time they allow a president to violate laws.

(32:29):
You know that that's no longer a Department of Justice,
a department of injustice. You know, you have a Department
of the Defense that has reverted back to its old title,
Department of War, which just sends a signal to American
what to expect the militarization of our nations. And we're
seeing that now with the President trying to send the

(32:50):
National Guard into areas that have done incredibly well in
trying to reduce violence. And I work in one of them,
the city of Baltimore, were violent crime is in an
on time low in the city of Ye. But this president,
it's using these instances to create a narrative to increase

(33:10):
his power and authority in a way that could eventually
lead to the declaration of martial law.

Speaker 10 (33:16):
Right and and that's real, see, And that's the thing
is that that you know, there's so many people that
really don't understand. In my opinion, it's like where we're
headed and how serious you know this uh, this administer,
how serious this administration is with regards to the ability

(33:39):
or likelihood that it could be the fall of I mean,
people talk about the fall of America, you know what
I mean. You hear people say that, but I mean,
to me, I think that is the that's such a
reality right now because you know, empires, that's how they fall,
you know, from from from the from within. And I

(34:00):
think that that's what we're seeing, is you're seeing a
and when it says no King, that's exactly what we're
looking at. We're looking at somebody who is basically really
creating or trying to create a monarchy of monarchy that is,
you know, ultimately going to be And and you know,
when it comes to something that's really interesting to me

(34:23):
is the you know, although I've never been a Republican
and you know what I've seen as far as the
way he's hijacked you know, the Republican Party. And I
think that we're seeing how you know, as you said earlier,
there's there's starting to become a significant backlash behind.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
That is this guy, this guy has to be the most.

Speaker 10 (34:47):
Unpatriotic human being that I've ever seen in my life.
And it began with the whole thing about you know,
whatever you think, and it begins here is no matter
what you thought about John McCain, the one thing that
you could never criticize him for is his service to
this country. And when he said that about John McCain

(35:12):
and everybody was cool with it, especially that party, that
just took me back.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
It really did.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
I'm like, you know, and the way that he's done
is generals the things that he said about individuals who
even served this country, you know, and they still rolling
with him. You cannot have much, you know, at least
before in the Republican Party. You know, you could kind
of shake your head and kind of you know what
I mean.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
But I mean, it's it's terrible, man, it really is.

Speaker 10 (35:42):
And it's hard for me to believe that we really
had those type of individuals in this country.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
But there's no Republican Party. I mean, you know, and
I think you know part of what you bring up
and so growing up, I was a big fan of Superman,
the comic theory, the comic book series, in a television
show and in a comic book series. There was Bizarro Superman,
who was the exact opposite of Superman. Like Superman was

(36:13):
good and virtuous, Bizarro Superman was evil. We've got bizarro
President Trump. And you look at this man and you
realize there's not a patriotic bone in his body. You know,
there's not a moral.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
Bone in his body.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
His only interest is in power and accumulating wealth. It
has nothing to do with governors. And unfortunately in America,
you know, the hype of capitalism is that you two
can one day be wealthy. Well you can't. But there
are so many people in America that have been brought

(36:51):
into that that they see Donald Trump as virtuous just
because they consider him a wealthy man. And he has
gotten away with some things that no other presence would
ever have been able to get away with. Could you
imagine Barack Obama posting some of the things that Donald
Trump post official White House Instagram page?

Speaker 8 (37:15):
Not in a way you could get away with something
like that.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
But Trump understood the moment. And look, the reality is
this was building up for some time, like from the
very beginning when Barack Obama was elected. What was the
first attack. He's not an American, He's a Muslim, And
they were planting the seeds, then to come back in

(37:42):
a way to use that as a counter to this
notion of who is truly an American. And even today
they raised Barack Obama's name, that this guy's been out
of office for a nine years, Yeah, and they still
use him because they know how to stir the pot.

(38:06):
And so, you know, when I look at that, you
realize that I think the Obama election so disturbed the psyche,
particularly of white men in America, that they were determine
that never again. And you saw that happen again with
Kamala Harris in the way they tried to create a

(38:27):
narrative around her like she's not black, right, we don't
know what she is, but she's not black. She's not qualified,
which was the silliest attack. But again we're not. You know,
these folks don't care about qualifications. You can be the
most qualified African American or Latino and it wouldn't matter

(38:50):
because for them, an uneducated, ignorant white man is more qualified.
And so I think part of what we are facing
is a reality of what America really is like this
this period of time is really and look, it may
not last. You know, we're coming upon the two hundred

(39:11):
and fiftieth birthday of this nation. That's not a long time, No,
it's not. And so I always tell people like, we're
still in our infancy. There's no guarantee that what we
know as this nation will exist going forward, and we

(39:32):
better be ready to fight to create something new and
better or we're all going to have a miserable time
in this country. Because when you look at when you
look at the deployment of agents who are basically acting
like they have the power of the futuitive slave law,
snatching people off the streets, wearing masks, not identifying themselves

(39:58):
as agents, not showing in credential that they are law enforcements,
but basically just snatching people, right, And so it's racial
profiling on steroids.

Speaker 10 (40:08):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well you said something interesting. There's a
couple of things. Number one is as far as the
infancy of America as a as a nation or so
called power that you know, if there was, as we speak,
if there was a book written or there's a world
history book, and it was, and it was a book

(40:31):
comparing the world powers, the well, there's not enough in
American history to probably even make it a chapter.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
And I don't think people understand that. In other words,
I know you're looking at me, but I'm.

Speaker 10 (40:49):
Saying that when you look at the Chinese dynasties and
some of these other dynasties that lasted for centuries, as
he said, when you think about two hundred and fifty years,
we don't, you know.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
That's a very very short time.

Speaker 10 (41:06):
That's an infant, right, So you know, it's not like
we've been doing it for a long time. And I
think that sometimes I believe that as a nation, you know,
we forget how young we are, you know, and I
think that's an issue. The second thing I wanted to
say is that, and this is kind of a joke
to a certain extent, is that you know who probably

(41:30):
is happy that Donald Trump became President of the United
States is Bush too? Because man, I thought that, you know,
now that we look at Bush now, let's think about
how we looked at Bush two before.

Speaker 8 (41:49):
Now he almost looks like you know what I mean,
he legitimate. I mean, because we thought he wasn't smart.

Speaker 10 (41:55):
We used to make fun of Bush and all this,
but we back now we're like man in comparison.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Yeah, well, look the Bush family, they were old line conservatives,
you know, and I think we forget that even Richard
Nixon was an old line conservative, right. Richard Nixon was
you know, certainly corrupt and was trying to manipulate power,
and he abused the constitution. But Richard Nixon did have

(42:29):
some degree of a policy framework that he believes in.
There is none of that today in the Trump administration.
It's just simply let's seem as much power as we can,
as quickly as we can, and create enough chaos to
throw people off balance. And I think that is what

(42:52):
they are hoping, that they will overwhelm the American public
by just creating chaos. And the thing that we don't
understand in this country is that, yes, we are a
world power, but we are a fairly recent world power.
You know, we became a dominant power militarily after World

(43:13):
War Two. Like the development of the atomic bomb just
put the United States in a position of superiority that
every other country had to fear. And so when you
really think about America's power, we're talking about a very
short period of time. But look what's happened in that
short period of time. Other countries now have developed nuclear power,

(43:36):
nuclear weapons. So India right, taxis like, you have all
these other countries that have nuclear capabilities, and we have
the most unstable president that we've ever had, Right, So
what happened when he decides that he's going to unleash
a nuclear weapon on another country or allow an other

(44:00):
country to unleash a nuclear weapons. We are dealing with
a very unstable man, a very unstable federal government. And
I'm convinced, as you pointed out, that if you look
at the other fallen empires, they always fell from within.

(44:20):
And I'm prone to believe that there is a group
of senior US military officials who think about this every day.
When Pete hec says and Donald Trump made their appearance
before all those generals and admirals, and you saw the

(44:43):
stone faces, you heard no applause, and you looked at
the expressions on their faces. I think those were men
and women who understood that they took an oath to
the Constitution, and not that raging idiot who was yelling
at them. And I've believe that if there is a downfall,

(45:04):
it will be because military leaders step in at the
appropriate time and sees power. Sounds crazy, but after that reaction,
you know more in most times, if you have the
president of the United States speaking, there will at least
be polite applaud from military leaders. There was nothing. You
could hear a pin drop. And I think it was

(45:26):
because these people looked at him and said, this idiot,
because they're the ones who have to execute the orders
to send men and women into combat, and they're looking
at this guy like, man, well, we will never follow
those orders. So, you know, I just believe that time
is running short on America and there's no kings protests.

(45:54):
I think was the best indication that Americans will fight back.
I think I think Donald Trump mistakenly believed that his
arrogance alone would intimidate people. And I think yesterday the
American public spoke loudly and said, f you like, we're

(46:18):
not gonna lay down UH and take this.

Speaker 8 (46:22):
Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 10 (46:24):
I was gonna ask you, Laura, with regards to the
Latino UH situation as far as they're voting, and it
seemed like.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
There was at least there's this idea that there was.

Speaker 10 (46:37):
This overwhelming, at least initially, the support for you know,
Donald Trump in this administration. Obviously, the first thing that
he did is we see that that kind of backfired
to a certain extent. So, so what do you think
about that that aspect of it, as.

Speaker 11 (46:55):
Far as the Latino's feeling.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Like, Yeah, why do you think there was such a
the support that you had from that community?

Speaker 8 (47:04):
Why do you think that there was a support for
this guy?

Speaker 11 (47:08):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Do you think it's because of who he was running against?

Speaker 11 (47:13):
I honestly couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know,
and I'm not in that position to speak for why
they were. I mean, I heard different things from the
Latino community, but I don't really have an answer to that.
And everybody there's not a blanket answer as to why
people do what they do, right. You couldn't say that

(47:35):
the people were educated, You couldn't say that, you couldn't
say that they had something to gain from it.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
It's just.

Speaker 10 (47:43):
I mean, I think that you saw that primarily it
tended to be more Latino men than it did women.
So I was kind of wondering, was it kid you?
Was it contributed? And I think maybe in part maybe
because it was Kamala Harris was the person and he
was running against a woman.

Speaker 8 (48:01):
I don't know, what do you think, brother? What do
you think that.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
I think it was a combination of an appeal to conservatism,
appeal to sexism, and an appeal to religiosity. And I think,
you know, when you look at the Latino community, there
are certainly aspects that resemble Black America. You know, Black

(48:26):
Americans tend to be church going, can be very socially conservative, right,
And so I think Donald Trump would understood that with
the Latino community. And I think Donald Trump and his
team they appeal to the Latino community in a way

(48:47):
to suggest to them that you are not the other
like black people are the other. You are more like
us than you are like them. And I think Forlatino men,
I think that was a message that resonated.

Speaker 11 (49:04):
No.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
Look, I think you know, people vote based upon what
they hear, and so I think they heard some things
that sounded good to them. But it's always the after
effect after the elections, where you really begin to understand
how you've been manipulated.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Right.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
And so I think right now in the Latino community,
because I see the social media posts, I think there's
an awakeness. I think people realize that we were lied to.
And look, it's easy to vote for someone when you
think they're going to go after somebody else and not you, right, right,

(49:47):
And that's just a natural thing. I don't care what
if it's not us, We're gonna be okay. So you know,
but this guy is going after black and brown people
in a way. And look, it's also a realization that
we can say we're African Americans, we can say we're Latino.

(50:08):
We are all the same people. Our roots are from the
same place. And the only reason why some of us,
you know, don't speak Spanish is because our ancestors were
dropped off at a different port. But when the ship
goes down, we're all going to go down. There's not
going to be there's not going to be a way
to save each group separately. So I think the reality

(50:30):
here and this is the opportunity. The opportunity is to
come together in a way that reshapes the new nation.
So Latinos, Black Asian Americans, American Indians, poor Americans of
all races and infamit that's a powerful coalition. It's what

(50:51):
doctor King was trying to put together at the time
of his depth in the Poor People's March. And I
think yesterday to me was the first step towards that
movement that for so long, when we had marches in Washington, DC,
it was either women marching by themselves. It was either
Latinos marching by themselves, or black folks marching by themselves.

(51:13):
White folks kind of took a pass because they didn't
have to march unless it was around the issue of abortion, right,
But yesterday everyone was marching together because finally the light
bulb went off in people's heads, like it's not about them,
it's about all of us. And so, you know, I

(51:35):
hear a lot of criticism of the Latino community from
the last election, and I understand, but look, we also
understand have to understand that about how politics manipulates the consciousness,
and we can forgive and we can move forward if
we just have an honest discussion about where we are presently.

(51:59):
I'm horrified by the way Latinos in this country are
being treated right now. It's despicable. The fact that families
are being broken up, the fact that American citizens are
being arrested simply because of the way they look. Right
and knowing that our legal protections are on thin ice
right now, right that chances are, you know, you make

(52:22):
get a lower court ruling that goes in your favor,
you make it an appeals court ruling that goes in
your favor, but once it goes to the High Court,
you know, it's like your chances are slim, right, And
that's the reality right now because if you look at
all the court rulings against Donald Trump, they've come at
the district court level for the most part, district court

(52:43):
and appeals court, and those judges, and some of them
are Trump appointed judges, are saying loudly no, like we're
going to violate the Constitution to support this. But that
Supreme Court is so politicized that your chances are land
that you're going to get a good outcome going before

(53:04):
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 11 (53:05):
At this point, I think with one thing that we
all have to remember is we've got to have our representation.
So for example, in California, it's large large, I believe
it's like almost half, if not half, Latino based, and
we don't have enough judicial officers that mirror us. You know,

(53:26):
we have a lot of older, non minority judges in power,
and as they're getting ready to retired, we're just as qualified.
But the thing is we're not making our advancements towards
the bench. And it's not just the Latinos, it's my
Asians family and friends that aren't also. You know, we're

(53:49):
starting to get in there, but we really need to
be more representative of the people that's here.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
Yeah, and hopefully that we're beginning to are understanding that,
you know, this is a fight that if we don't
do it collectively, and maybe people are understanding that whole
idea of doing it collectively because what sometimes has been
the issue with regards to minorities is that we tend

(54:20):
to limit humanity to our.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Own people sometimes.

Speaker 10 (54:25):
And I think that what we're seeing, as you stated, brother,
when they when we were doing the protest, and you're
seeing different people from different paradigms and different ethnic groups,
that we're coming together for one cause and understanding the
constitution and understanding that our constitution is under attack. We

(54:46):
need to keep that same rhythm going, you know. So
it's really a make or break moment for this country,
you know, and hopefully that people are really understanding that,
you know, we do really need.

Speaker 8 (54:58):
To because sometimes I mean, we got to that got to.

Speaker 10 (55:03):
That point or you know, Roy Jones had that song,
that song called y'all must have forgotten. So I was
beginning to start thinking, you know, y'all got you know,
people must have forgot. And oftentimes I think that we
felt like that. You know, people, as you said, you know,
you vote, you know, for yourself and for your own

(55:26):
interest is what people do. But if we don't begin
to start vote, because you know, they said that, if
you don't, it's like, for example, when that when you said, brother,
when you start talking about the things about the immigrant
immigrant community and how they were coming after immigrants and
specifically Latinos, right.

Speaker 8 (55:45):
And then now all of a sudden, we saw.

Speaker 10 (55:49):
Certain legislature that's allowing basically the law enforcement to to
basically prof file racially profile people. And now all of
a sudden, in reaction to that, now we're starting to
see them putting federal troops and you know in these

(56:10):
areas and are you know, they don't know anything about
law enforcement. These are these you know, I was in
a military and I was a police officer, and I
can tell you they're two different things. I mean, well
they're supposed to be two different things. And obviously in
a military you're not taught how to you know, you're

(56:31):
taught how you know you're a trained killer. You're training
to go after the enemy. And now they're saying that
these individuals, our own citizens are now enemies. We're deploying
troops on our own citizens. And to me, I don't
think that people really reacted to that. I mean, that's
a that's a crisis when you're.

Speaker 7 (56:54):
The thing about it is that, you know, I a
outside of Washington VC. The National Guards that are in Washington,
d C. Are literally playing the role of the Department
of Public Works. You know, they're picking up trash, they're
not doing anything. And he's using this as a smoke

(57:16):
spring to create the narrative that's necessary so when you
do decide to declare martial law, you can claim that
there's a president. Oh, I had to send troops to
Los Angeles. I had to send troops to you know, Washington, DC.
You know, the country is out of control, so I
need to make sure that we lock the country down.

(57:37):
All of this is a smoke spring. And I love
what's happening in Chicago right now because the Governor of Illinois, Pritston,
is really fighting back. The mayor is fighting back, and
I think that's what has to happen. We have to
call the bluff because that's all this is. And if
you look at the faces of these national Guards, then

(57:58):
that are in these cities, they don't want to be there.
They know that's not their role to be police officers.
And if you look at the police officers, and here's
the other army. So the Republican Party was supposed to
be the party of law and order. But you don't
respect local police, right, you don't respect local police in
January sixth, when you had local police officers died from

(58:22):
that insurrection. You don't respect local police to do their
jobs in municipalities. The President of the United States has
absolutely no authority over local law enforcement. And so we
have this egregious violation of the law right now where
you have a president authorizing federal troops, deputizing the National Guard,

(58:48):
federalizing the National Guard in the most unconstitutional way. And
the real test is going to be will the Supreme
Court allow this.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Right?

Speaker 7 (59:00):
And if they do, then we know what we're up against.

Speaker 10 (59:03):
Right, Wow, that's crazy, and it's you know, it's it's
it's you're right about your analysis of what's going on
as far as them deploying the troops and how it's
like it is a smoke screen and a way of
edging towards you know, martial law, right and as far

(59:23):
as like edging towards the issue of I mean Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
I have no idea what they're doing right now.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
I really don't, man, But look, and I think that's
I think that's everyone's perspective right now. But but what
he's done, he has created the equivalent of the Nazi
s F and I. So you have these people who
show up in communities, and I'm not convinced that all

(59:55):
of these ice officers are truly ice officers. No. I
believe that there's infiltration by groups like the Proud Boys
and the Oathkeepers. It is why they are wearing masks.