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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've talked to the camp.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But now it's time to talk to somebody who, well,
I think probably gets quite a bit done behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We've talked to conversman Mike Rogers.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
His wife Christy joins us right now and in fact,
a very very important topic of conversation. I know I'm
very concerned about as a parent to daughters, young daughters.
One of the things I'm watching every day is education
and particularly in the state, some of the issues we've
seen recently and what do we do to get things
back on track here. Christy Rogers joins us now. Appreciate
(00:37):
you taking the time to be here with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hey, good morning, Justin and happy Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know, as I mentioned, this is not just so
important to me as a parent, but there's so many
other parents, especially I think with the last few years,
this topic has come to the forefront for a lot
of folks. If we kind of got a bit of
a glimpse at what is happening in our schools, but
also really the challenges that have come in that here
(01:04):
in Michigan, particularly that the test scores are leaving a
lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, quite honestly, they're abysmal. And you know, if there
was a silver lining with COVID and that pandemic, it
was that it's shown a big bright spotlight on what
the schools are teaching our kids and what they are
not teaching our kids. Mike and I have been involved
in literacy programs for nearly a decade, and it's a
(01:33):
silent crisis that is plaguing not just Michigan but the
entire country, and something must be done about it. It's
we are not being fair to our children right now,
We're not setting them up for success, and it is
completely preventable.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, let's talk about that. What exactly should we be long?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, obviously we've seen the problems with test scores
and some of the other things that have come back
and really been a clear picture of the last few years.
But what are some of the things that we should
be looking at doing and some of the things that
we can't go So a lot of these solutions for
a lot of different things and a lot of problems
these days do seem to be pretty simple in common sense.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, it's it's so true. I mean, my mom was
a second grade teacher, Mike's dad was a shop teacher
as you like to call himself at Redford Union. And
my mom always said, teaching second grade in Lansing, she said,
you know what it comes right down to is phonics.
And you can actually see when we stopped teaching our
(02:32):
kids to read via phonics, our test scores started to plummet.
I mean, and you actually think about what the test
results in just Michigan alone are right now. I mean,
eighty eight percent of just a Detroit public school kids
cannot pass a proficiency test. Fifty seven percent of all
of our students across Michigan high school students cannot read
(02:55):
past the sixth grade level. I mean, these are just
shocking statistics. And one of the things things that they've
studied over years that if you read to learn after
the fourth grade, you learn to read up until the
fourth grade. And if you cannot read in the fourth grade,
get this, you have a seventy percent chance of either
(03:16):
ending up on welfare and in poverty or in prison.
So we are not setting up our kids for success.
And one of the things that Mike and I discovered
several years ago is is a program a nonprofit that
was actually established right here in Michigan and Southeast Michigan.
And that's beyond basics, phenomenal program that gets at the
heart of why people cannot read, and it's going back
(03:38):
to the fundamentals. It's going back to phonics. They actually
have a program it's called a Reading Reclamation program. Depending
on your grade level. It can get an individual, not
just a student, but even an adult up to grade
level in four to sixteen weeks by just going back
to the basics and by phonics. And it's an hour
a day. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You know, that's incredible, and I think, as you mentioned,
it's so important, particularly in the early years.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I just remember my parents.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
My dad was a teacher for forty years, and my
wife's grandmother was a teacher and a principal. And then
eventually I think maybe one of the first, maybe the
first female superintendent in the state of Michigan. She's ninety
seven now, still kicking. But we had that background our parents.
I just remember always reading to us, and we've done
(04:32):
that with our kids. That's laying the foundation and they're
already starting is my wife's sort of been working with
their kids, you know, four almost four and almost two,
but she's been working with them to really learn the
basics of these things. And it's not everybody has that right.
Not everybody's going to have the parents who are going
(04:53):
to be there. But we've got to make sure that
in our schools that we are getting back to basics
and teaching the fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
We got to focus on the wrong things a lot
of times.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Oh if that's not speaking the truth. I mean, my
father in law and my mom have said, we've got
to get back to the three hours reading righte and arithmetic.
I mean, we are not not only are we not
teaching your civics and government in US history, but we
are not teaching the basics. And we have a lot
of what many people and parents discovered again back in
(05:26):
COVID is that there's just a lot of nonsense being
taught to students that is just outside of the fundamentals
that actually set kids up for success. And you know,
I don't like to make this issue political, but honestly,
the Democrats when they say they care about education, do
they because they're not teaching our kids to read. And
(05:48):
when they are in power, and as long as they're
in power, reading scores continue to plummet across our cities
and across our state. We have got to get back
to the fundamentals. This is not a teacher problem at all.
It's the administrators. I mean, if you can you imagine,
if you're a ninth grade teacher and you get half
of your class that is not reading at the fourth
or fifth grade level, what are you supposed to do?
(06:10):
I mean, it is just not fair. Not only it's
not fair to the students, it's not fair to the teachers.
We have got to get our arms around this because
it's not saying our kids up for success. It's not
helping us economically. I mean, we did a study I'm
on Barbara Bush's Foundations for Family Literacy nationally and I'm
on I'm on the Advisory Council, and we did a
(06:32):
study about extras pre COVID with Fortune Magazine, and it says,
if you get students up to grade level by the
twelfth grade, it will add one point seven trillion dollars
to our economy every year. Just think. I mean, that's
that's just staggering, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And we we're at a point now where we just
like would like to be competitive in some ways to
the world, but really we have to get back to
that place where And I know that Mike has talked
about this former Congress and Mike Rodgers, your husband, but
also President Trump has talked about this where Americans and
(07:13):
America is dominating in these.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Spaces we used to be. You know, in in China,
Communist controlled China, they require their eighth graders to take
quantum physics. Our eighth graders cannot pass a sixth grade
reading course. I mean, you know, it's we are no
longer competitive. The number one reason that we are missing
(07:37):
our recruiting numbers across all branches of the military. The
number one reason is the recruits cannot pass the test
because they can't read it. I mean, this has such
profound impacts across our society. And you know, and you
get in a lot of times within a family, it's
it's endemic. I mean, it's it's generational. If you have
(07:58):
a single mom or or parents that cannot read, you're
not going to have a book in the house. A
kid's not going to be able to pick up a
book and just start to read on their own. We
really have to look at this as a family challenge
and not just a school challenge. And you know, it's
as I said, right at the beginning. It really is
a silent crisis across the United States, across Michigan that
(08:19):
we can fix. This is preventable.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Christy Rogers with the latest on this story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The op ed, by the way, if folks want to
check it out, is out right now. It's in the
Traverse City Paper, and of course we'll put a link
to it up over on our website and the stack
as well. If folks want to stay up to date
with you and everything you do on this work, what's
the best way for them to do that?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, the best way is rogersfirsenate dot com. There's literacy
papers up there. I'm also reachable via the Barbara Bush
Foundation for Family Literacy, but you can connect contact me
directly at rogersfosunate dot com. Not that I'm giving, you know,
a plug to my husband, but we have been focused
on this for the past ten years and we are
(09:06):
both passionate about about getting our kids being able to read,
but also getting our country back on track and competing
as we know we can and unleashing the entrepreneur spirit
that michigan Anders and Americans have. So that's how to
get me.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Thank you so much, justin absolutely appreciate it and it's
been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Thank you so much, Christy Rogers,
We've talked to the camp.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But now it's time to talk to somebody who, well,
I think probably gets quite a bit done behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We've talked to conversman Mike Rogers.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
His wife Christy joins us right now and in fact,
a very very important topic of conversation. I know I'm
very concerned about as a parent to daughters, young daughters.
One of the things I'm watching every day is education
and particularly in the state, some of the issues we've
seen recently and what do we do to get things
back on track here. Christy Rogers joins us now. Appreciate
(00:37):
you taking the time to be here with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hey, good morning, Justin and happy Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know, as I mentioned, this is not just so
important to me as a parent, but there's so many
other parents, especially I think with the last few years,
this topic has come to the forefront for a lot
of folks. If we kind of got a bit of
a glimpse at what is happening in our schools, but
also really the challenges that have come in that here
(01:04):
in Michigan, particularly that the test scores are leaving a
lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, quite honestly, they're abysmal. And you know, if there
was a silver lining with COVID and that pandemic, it
was that it's shown a big bright spotlight on what
the schools are teaching our kids and what they are
not teaching our kids. Mike and I have been involved
in literacy programs for nearly a decade, and it's a
(01:33):
silent crisis that is plaguing not just Michigan but the
entire country, and something must be done about it. It's
we are not being fair to our children right now,
We're not setting them up for success, and it is
completely preventable.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, let's talk about that. What exactly should we be long?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, obviously we've seen the problems with test scores
and some of the other things that have come back
and really been a clear picture of the last few years.
But what are some of the things that we should
be looking at doing and some of the things that
we can't go So a lot of these solutions for
a lot of different things and a lot of problems
these days do seem to be pretty simple in common sense.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, it's it's so true. I mean, my mom was
a second grade teacher, Mike's dad was a shop teacher
as you like to call himself at Redford Union. And
my mom always said, teaching second grade in Lansing, she said,
you know what it comes right down to is phonics.
And you can actually see when we stopped teaching our
(02:32):
kids to read via phonics, our test scores started to plummet.
I mean, and you actually think about what the test
results in just Michigan alone are right now. I mean,
eighty eight percent of just a Detroit public school kids
cannot pass a proficiency test. Fifty seven percent of all
of our students across Michigan high school students cannot read
(02:55):
past the sixth grade level. I mean, these are just
shocking statistics. And one of the things things that they've
studied over years that if you read to learn after
the fourth grade, you learn to read up until the
fourth grade. And if you cannot read in the fourth grade,
get this, you have a seventy percent chance of either
(03:16):
ending up on welfare and in poverty or in prison.
So we are not setting up our kids for success.
And one of the things that Mike and I discovered
several years ago is is a program a nonprofit that
was actually established right here in Michigan and Southeast Michigan.
And that's beyond basics, phenomenal program that gets at the
heart of why people cannot read, and it's going back
(03:38):
to the fundamentals. It's going back to phonics. They actually
have a program it's called a Reading Reclamation program. Depending
on your grade level. It can get an individual, not
just a student, but even an adult up to grade
level in four to sixteen weeks by just going back
to the basics and by phonics. And it's an hour
a day. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You know, that's incredible, and I think, as you mentioned,
it's so important, particularly in the early years.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I just remember my parents.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
My dad was a teacher for forty years, and my
wife's grandmother was a teacher and a principal. And then
eventually I think maybe one of the first, maybe the
first female superintendent in the state of Michigan. She's ninety
seven now, still kicking. But we had that background our parents.
I just remember always reading to us, and we've done
(04:32):
that with our kids. That's laying the foundation and they're
already starting is my wife's sort of been working with
their kids, you know, four almost four and almost two,
but she's been working with them to really learn the
basics of these things. And it's not everybody has that right.
Not everybody's going to have the parents who are going
(04:53):
to be there. But we've got to make sure that
in our schools that we are getting back to basics
and teaching the fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
We got to focus on the wrong things a lot
of times.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Oh if that's not speaking the truth. I mean, my
father in law and my mom have said, we've got
to get back to the three hours reading righte and arithmetic.
I mean, we are not not only are we not
teaching your civics and government in US history, but we
are not teaching the basics. And we have a lot
of what many people and parents discovered again back in
(05:26):
COVID is that there's just a lot of nonsense being
taught to students that is just outside of the fundamentals
that actually set kids up for success. And you know,
I don't like to make this issue political, but honestly,
the Democrats when they say they care about education, do
they because they're not teaching our kids to read. And
(05:48):
when they are in power, and as long as they're
in power, reading scores continue to plummet across our cities
and across our state. We have got to get back
to the fundamentals. This is not a teacher problem at all.
It's the administrators. I mean, if you can you imagine,
if you're a ninth grade teacher and you get half
of your class that is not reading at the fourth
or fifth grade level, what are you supposed to do?
(06:10):
I mean, it is just not fair. Not only it's
not fair to the students, it's not fair to the teachers.
We have got to get our arms around this because
it's not saying our kids up for success. It's not
helping us economically. I mean, we did a study I'm
on Barbara Bush's Foundations for Family Literacy nationally and I'm
on I'm on the Advisory Council, and we did a
(06:32):
study about extras pre COVID with Fortune Magazine, and it says,
if you get students up to grade level by the
twelfth grade, it will add one point seven trillion dollars
to our economy every year. Just think. I mean, that's
that's just staggering, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And we we're at a point now where we just
like would like to be competitive in some ways to
the world, but really we have to get back to
that place where And I know that Mike has talked
about this former Congress and Mike Rodgers, your husband, but
also President Trump has talked about this where Americans and
(07:13):
America is dominating in these.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Spaces we used to be. You know, in in China,
Communist controlled China, they require their eighth graders to take
quantum physics. Our eighth graders cannot pass a sixth grade
reading course. I mean, you know, it's we are no
longer competitive. The number one reason that we are missing
(07:37):
our recruiting numbers across all branches of the military. The
number one reason is the recruits cannot pass the test
because they can't read it. I mean, this has such
profound impacts across our society. And you know, and you
get in a lot of times within a family, it's
it's endemic. I mean, it's it's generational. If you have
(07:58):
a single mom or or parents that cannot read, you're
not going to have a book in the house. A
kid's not going to be able to pick up a
book and just start to read on their own. We
really have to look at this as a family challenge
and not just a school challenge. And you know, it's
as I said, right at the beginning. It really is
a silent crisis across the United States, across Michigan that
(08:19):
we can fix. This is preventable.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Christy Rogers with the latest on this story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The op ed, by the way, if folks want to
check it out, is out right now. It's in the
Traverse City Paper, and of course we'll put a link
to it up over on our website and the stack
as well. If folks want to stay up to date
with you and everything you do on this work, what's
the best way for them to do that?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, the best way is rogersfirsenate dot com. There's literacy
papers up there. I'm also reachable via the Barbara Bush
Foundation for Family Literacy, but you can connect contact me
directly at rogersfosunate dot com. Not that I'm giving, you know,
a plug to my husband, but we have been focused
on this for the past ten years and we are
(09:06):
both passionate about about getting our kids being able to read,
but also getting our country back on track and competing
as we know we can and unleashing the entrepreneur spirit
that michigan Anders and Americans have. So that's how to
get me.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Thank you so much, justin absolutely appreciate it and it's
been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Thank you so much, Christy Rogers,
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