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Through this out, Good afternoon, good morning, good eat, wherever
you might be. I am not Urt Bell, but I
am on half of the normal crew around here for
the Juxtaposition show, our every two week four into the weird,
the unusual, the unexplainable. I'm also joined by our very
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cool Amish friend who does this show with me every
two weeks. And we also have a special guest this evening.
We've kidnapped an alien and he's with us here right now.
So Amus, I'm gonna start with you. How you been
man house things?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Uh? You know what I'm doing well? I'm uh, I'm
I'm doing well. Yeah, I could go into details, but
it's not I'm doing awesome. We haven't done this in
a fucking long time.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's been like I realized, we haven't done like an
actual live version of this thing in like two months.
I was starting to get notice this from my heart.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I missed out on the old panel on that one
panel show because I was out sick, and you know,
three weeks I'm just I've still got the cough. And
but yeah, fuck, I don't think I think we did
one episode after Juxtober together, and god, that's a long time.
So fuck it. We're here now't fuck it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We're doing it live.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But blame me.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, well, we usually do. We just don't usually
tell you we do. Think about it.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
I started working on the ITC Witches episode, which is
notoriously famed for really messing up jokes. You guys haven't
really done anything since I started talking and doing that show.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know what, I hadn't connected those dots yet. You
are a fucker you, you and your fuckery, You and
your fuckery.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, Jeff, for all to know, Uh, Jeff
did the theme song using Ai.
Speaker 11 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I liked it when you first dropped it on me.
Now I'll get it stuck in my head while I'm working.
I'll be driving in the truck to work and I'll
just have it rolling it. It's really just it's it's catchy,
it's gotten it, it's in my it's a brain worm. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:53):
I had funny it's writing the lyrics for it, and
then when AI spit out that, I was like, yes,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I'm glad I don't the only one who randomly
gets that song stuck in my head. I'll be like
working on a story and something, and all of a sudden,
I have the riff from the juxt theme in my head.
I was like, something is wrong with me, but apparently
it's not just me.
Speaker 10 (06:15):
Well it's funny because I have that witch with one
of my Witch's song We're the fire down below.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That one. Just yeah, I play that about every other day. See,
I don't have to play it. I just randomly stuck
in my head. So how are you?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Man?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
How are things?
Speaker 10 (06:33):
I would love to say great, they're not, but they're
getting better again. So one step in front of the other.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's a.
Speaker 10 (06:43):
Yeah, this will be a good mental wakening for me.
So I appreciate you guys that let me come on
to night. Of course, well it was your topic.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean you've floated the topic to me. You Rick
and I were talking about, you know, what are we
gonna do for this week? And then I said, well,
you know, Jeff hit me with this topics a lot
test come on. So I'm glad. I'm glad you pulled
it off.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I am too. I won't lie. I had forty pages
of notes for the show.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
At eight o'clock tonight, I thought I was going to
go an hour and a half to an hour and
forty minutes, so I wasn't sure if I was still
going to have a voice or not. But thankfully I
got it done in an hour, so we're good.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, that was a good show. You fired through that
content quick too.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That was.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Jeff did a a secret drop Top Secret, the old
tabletop game RPG Top Secret earlier tonight, And if you
remember playing that game, or if you weren't familiar with
the game, you got to go back and listen to
the show, because that game was a super cool RPG.
Speaker 10 (07:46):
It was so ahead of its time, and like I said,
you know, especially with shows like this the conspiratainment, that
game would be so perfect for nowaday Like it was
underappreciated I think the eighties, but now with all the
conspiracy fears, all all the drones, all the stuff that
you guys talk on a regular basis, that game would
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be perfect for all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know, since it has been a minute since we've
done this, where the hell have all the drones gone?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh? They serve their purpose. But you know what I
was thinking about it when I was researching tonight's topic
totally in their wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I was kind of think of the same thing, but.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Like, yeah, how about you, Rick, How you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ah, Well, I'm headed into week three of this. I
don't even call it a man cold anymore. It's a
man plague because it never dies. But yeah, I'm headed
into week three of it. And every time I think
I'm shaking it, Like yesterday, I had a really good day.
I was able to get a lot of work done,
I got caught up on stuff around the house. I
was able to do a full show without feeling like
I was going to die. Got up this morning, felt
pretty good, made breakfast, and the next thing I know
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was like, you let it hit you again. Then I
was like, you know what, I'm kind of sleepy. I'm
gonna take a nab. It was probably about eleven o'clock
and I was like and then next thing I know,
woke up and it was like four thirty, and I well,
actually I guess it was about four fifteen because you
texted me like a minute after I will go up,
going what do you want to talk about the day?
I'm like, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Yeah, I'm one week more of it, and I I
have either a really great day or a really bad
day where my energy I've been sleeping at work in
my vehicle to take a thirty minute power nap just
to get that little bit of a recharge to get
me through the day.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And it's been four weeks of that.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
It's like, oh, come one more, come on, please fix it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Boss makes a hundred, I make a buck. That's why
I crank my hog in the company truck on dred percent.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yep, that sounded dirty.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Anyway, I got myself coffee on that one.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So what topic did you decide to go?
Speaker 10 (09:56):
I know you said you went mine, but I actually
have two aspects of what I think we're talking about tonight.
So it's what a breakaway civilization?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, we're doing the breakaway civilization and we'll get into
what that is all about in a bit. But yeah,
one of the big you know, people who are detractors
of the breakaway civilization theory, you know, they'll point to,
you know, like scientists of San Dia or Fermi, who
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will say, you know, it's our duty, you know, it's
in our charter to release technology. That's great. But the
thing is, there's there's a thing that not many people
know about, and it is the Invention Secrecy Act of
nineteen fifty one. And this was signed in This was
codified by on sign It was signed in the federal law.
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What it does is it gives the government, you know,
because all patents have to go through the PTO, the
Patent Office and Trademark Office, So they go through there,
and anything that's listed under as an invention under a
certain criterion. I'll get take this in a minute. The government,
specifically military branches, all military branches, the d D, Homeland Security,
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even the Department of Justice, Department of Energy, Department of Justice.
They can look at that patent and go, no, we're
going to, uh, you know, we're we're making this classified.
You can't talk about it, you can't file for patents,
and foreign countries under it you'll be charged for you know,
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you'll get up to two years in prison for each
instance you talk about it. If you try to, you know,
patent in another country, you lose all rights to your
patent in the United States. And it comes up for
review every year. And the thing is you can't. You
can file an appeal, but like say, you know, the
Army says, no, you can't. You know, we're gonna we're
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making that patent classified. You can file on appeal, but
you're you know, a piece of the patent office. You
appeal to the army, the ones who made the decision
to classify your invention. You know, they have first say
to go no. And this started in World War One
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to kind of like keep people from inventing things that
would help the enemy or you know, yeah, something that
could fall into enemy hands. And it was it was
re up during World War two, and then in nineteen
fifty three they said, you know what, let's just nineteen
fifty two they said, you know what, let's just make
that permanent, and you're the list of things that that
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can be classified. They fall into these categories. Amplifiers, recorders,
sensors or electronic tubes, computers, concealment, communications, countermeasures and counter countermeasures,
explosives and inflammables, explosive actuating methods like fuses and igniters,
mind sweeping for torpedoes, anything basically anything that has to
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do with expose a new invention, and explosives or parts
of an explosive. Mapping, charting and geotagging, any patent under
that gets flagged. Meteorology that's weird. Military photography, I like
this one. Miscellaneous let's see missiles, munitions, and exposive devices,
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navigation equipment, objects, locating methods and means, power supply and generation,
propulsion systems, propellants and fuels, protective measures, radiology, unique materials. Okay,
also unique devices, performance data and characteristics. So that's every patent,
vehicles and weapons and countermap weapons and fire control. Any
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of these things can be looked at any of those
agencies I mentioned and they can go, yeah, we're classifying
that project. We're classifying that invention. And they can classify
it and definitely they review it every year and they
can say, no, that's still going to be classified. You know,
that's just like you who killed JFK. You know, they
just keep that, you know, re redacting that. It's estimated
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that ten of the inventions that have to deal with
the military in some way, shape or form are classified
under this act. Now that comes from national laboratories, but
that's also from like Joe Blow who figures out a
new way to do I don't know, mapping or cartography,
or you know, a new type of bullet resistant material.
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Any of that, any of it can be classified under
the UH the Invention Secrecy Act. So in a nutshell,
it really gives a backbone to the people who say
there's a lot of suppressed technology. When you go through
that list of things that can be suppressed, that's almost everything,
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especially that for the miscellaneous.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Well, I have a couple of questions related to that,
and I know we are I think unfortunately, going to
tread on some uh politic lines on this episode. Sure,
do you know when this goes up for revote every
year or continuation?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Uh, it's no, it doesn't. I'm not exactly sure, but
it's you mean, when they review the list of things
that they've classified and said, yeah, that's going to remain classified. Yes,
I don't know if it's on the anniversary of the
patent filing or if it's just you know, at the
end of the budget year whatever, you know, whatever department
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has you know, is holding those items on this list
saying yeah, these are still classified. You know, give it,
gives it to the PTO, and then the PTO notifies
the patent you know, the patent applicant, Yeah you're still classified.
Get fuck kickrocks.
Speaker 10 (15:47):
Okay, because where I'm going with this and just picking
up on this right now, the United States Space Force
when it was when it was created with not have
automatically been a part of this, but it is now right,
But what had been created to circumvent some things, to
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make some things happen before it got added, you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Know, in light of what we're talking about tonight, I
could absolutely see that. I mean, not as a reason
for it being created, but as a happy sidebar.
Speaker 10 (16:20):
Yes, especially with the December twentieth of twenty nineteen, when
they were created, the new Congress probably wouldn't have waited,
you know, to re up and add things to it
until a couple of weeks months later. Right, I'm just
spitballing here, but I find that fascinating.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah that Yeah, No, it doesn't say exactly when these
are up for review, but the number of secrecy orders
has they estimate, it's estimated that there is a h
eleven to fifteen hundred patents that fall under that fall
under the classification process every year.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, that's crazy to think about, Rick, I'm still here.
I was just working on some other stuff. But no,
it's just I say that, Like I said, I didn't
realize that anything was I didn't realize that I didn't
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even know this thing existed till you sent me the link.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that's like I said, when I was researching for
another topic, we were going to do that we kind
of shelved. That's when I came across this and just
kind of like wow, And then you know, it kind
of dovetails into the tonight's topic as well. But getting
into tonight's topic, Jeff, since you brought it to our attention,
why don't you kick it off? Tell us what it's
all about.
Speaker 10 (17:49):
I'm going to give this oversimplified version, and then I
guess we can go further into it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Sure see Breakaway Civilization.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
I will say this is one of my favorite theories
because it is not only in my mind, the most plausible,
because it has the widest reach. It is the idea
that either government or humankind or aliens have decided to
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create another civilization, either here on Earth or depending on
how far you want to go into the civilization breakaway
another planet. And it really depends on Okay, are they
living underground or is it a secret society? Is it
like the movie twenty twelve where they're trying to build
enough gather enough intelligence smart people to fit on an
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arcship that's not labeled Arcship B to go escape the
dangers of Earth there's so many aspects of this that
have the kernel of truth and probability that what we
witness every day is significant based on there is another
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society doing, controlling and running everything, either here or remotely.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, so let's let's start there, right, because I mean,
there's so many different aspects of this, and almost everything
that we've touched on since we've done this particular program
all stems from kind of the same thing. E've been
going as far back as the crazy ass flatter theory.
One of these One of the things that they keep
talking about is how there are all these advanced civilizations
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past the Arctic Wall that are basically you know, we're
either offshoots of them, they are offshoots of us one way,
one way.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Or the other.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But then there's just so many other parts of it,
like and then there's the whole you know, is there
an advanced civilization living inside of the hollow Earth? Are
there under sea bases? I mean, there's just so many
different aspects to this.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
And why why the sudden interest in Greenland? I mean, right,
you know, there there's a lot of Like I said,
there's a lot us so many different potentials here that
it's engaging from so many different levels, and even at
the basis level. And I know already I mentioned I'm
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going to go ahead here with my my aspect of it,
which makes me really believe that to some level this
is more accurate than some some conspiracies. The three of
us are of a certain age. I won't say that
number because it hurts, especially in lights of some events
this week.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It hurts all of us.
Speaker 10 (20:32):
The do you do you remember in a galaxy far
far away, a long long time ago, where we entered
elementary school and routinely got tested.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
For i Q.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, Yeah, I mean that was you know that that
was kind of like one of the first you know,
after you got the Yellow math book. M h. Then
you know that was kind of like you're okay now,
we're you know, when you when you started getting an
actual problem solving than doing stuff I wrote, then then
they throw you in for IQ test.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was common.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, And if you.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Happen to score a certain range, you were tested frequently
and often.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
At least I was.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Now I say this having grown up right outside of DC,
so we may have seen more direct impact than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, probably more than I did. In a ski area
in California.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
Yes, because I went growing up in elementary school where
I first went through K through five, I got tested
so often it was ridiculous. But or K through four,
when I went to fifth grade, I went to a
farming school. Even though in the same county, with the
same school district, they didn't do any of that, and
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they didn't have what I was a part of called
the gifted and Talented program. And when you research the
gift and Talented program of elementary schools in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You find out that.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
But it was first an idea as far back as
eighteen sixty eight. It didn't really stick. But it was
nineteen fifty eight, shortly after what seven years after the
Act that you talked about about the classification of materials
and everything else, the National Defense Education Act was passed,
which was the first large scale effort by the federal
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government and gifted education. Spurred by the Soviet Union's launch
of Sputneck in fifty seven, the Act aimed to identify
and educate students that were skilled in mathematic, science, and
foreign languages to bolster national security. Then in seventy two
you have the Marlind Report, officially known as the education
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of the Gifted and Talented that was issued. It provided
a formal federal definition of giftedness and encouraging schools to
define giftedness more broadly. Now, seventy two, when did the
moon landing stop?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah about yeah, seventy two said yeah, so it's also
all the Department of Education, And you know that was
seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But it was the forerunner.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
Now, this defined giftedness a little more broadly, included academic
and intellectual leadership, visual performing arts, athleticism, creativity and productive thinking,
and psychomotor ability. Then in eighty eight, the Jacob Javits
Gifted and Talented Students Education Act was passed, establishing grants
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for research and programs focused on under representative gifted populations.
Because the gifted and Talented in the early eighties got
a bad name because unfortunately it was mostly white kids
that seemed to be thrown into this this group because
of their IQ testing. So the IQ testing disappeared in
the in the early eighties, the Gifted and the Talent
program started having lack of funding.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So then the Jacob K.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Javits Acts started increasing the population of minorities.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Into the too. And it's kind of kind of stayed
in the back ground. But what greater way when public
education is mandatory for youths to find out who to
put away in a civilization that will quote unquote be
the embetterment of society unquote.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That whole process, you know, I mean, and you know,
that's basically you know, finding the Yeah, one of the
most common tropes in sci fi is that, oh my god,
you know, the world's about to end, so let's get
our best and bright us over to the alpha site
you drink starry. Yeah, But that's a trope and a
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lot of sci fi too, So you know, it's kind
of like, you know with the whole continuation government, you know,
doomsday plan. But that's also you know, yeah, it's uh,
you know, get them all together. The ones who are borderline,
will send them off to get fucked with by mk Ultra.
But the rest of them, you know, the ones that
we know that we can work with, will bring that
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will bring them into the uh, bring them into the fold,
read them into you know, the society that they didn't
know about, you know, the civilization they didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
The and this is this is one of the aspects
I love about this conspiracy, is it does. It is
so easy to tie in things like mk Ultra, Britney Spears,
you know, all that stuff. It can all be tied
into there. Because you when you're building a secret society,
not that I would know, you have to have the
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diversion society, the ones that, oh, look over here, the
shiny object, the squirrel, because that will garner more attentions. Meanwhile,
you're doing this, this this behind the scenes. Some of
it maybe out a little more out in the open
than people realize, but it's a great way to hide
it in plain sight way.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well yeah, yeah, I mean that's and you know, I've
talked about one of the local features here, which is ah,
it's a invitation only well not really invitation only, but
it's a extraordinarily small college of twenty four people, and
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they are the they are the brightest of the brightest.
You know, when you look at their alumni, it's sex State,
it's you know, Fermi Labs, it's just you know, the
top echement And this is I mean it's really remote
college and you know, it's really out in the middle
of nowhere. And but yeah, so that's absolutely you know
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that that's a real world you know, something I can
look at when I drive past it and go probably
right there. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, so one of the things that I find interesting
because this actually kind of, at least in some respects,
ties into another topic that I kind of feel like
we don't spend enough time on you as far as
the whole you know, IQ testing, figuring out who's smarter,
all these things. I blame Operation paper Clip for a
lot of that because I kind of feel like eugenics
never actually died, It just came over here.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, right, no, And and you know, talking about
Operation paper Clip, you know that was you know, part
of this theory is secret space programs. And the secret
space program actually started under FDR where he wanted us
to focus on moving into space in case of a
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global cataclysmic event or the chance that you know, we
had lost World War two and you know, getting the
best and brought us out here to go, you know,
reseat American to somewhere else. You know it is of course,
you can't blame them for thinking big. They weren't looking
at the Moon or Mars. They were looking at your
home planet of Alpha Centauri. Yep. And you know they
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figured well that distance is too far. So in nineteen
forty five, Truman dialed it back a bit with Operation Paperclip,
bringing in all the German scientists and engineers.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know, then they started saying, okay, well let's look
at the moon and let's look at Mars. Yeah, because
those are close. You know, you got to walk before
you can run kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, And and.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
Operation paper Clip would make sense one for the fifty
one Act that you talked about and the Gifted and
Talented in fifty seven that I talked about. They're all
connected in that regard of.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
How do we build this UH.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
In one hand, we can call it secret society. On
the German side, they would call it an absolutely different
kind of society. But at its core, the progress and
the language is really similar.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well that I mean, going back to another topic that
we talked about years ago. Truman was absolutely convinced that
the Germans had knowledge of annie gravity. So that goes
into see one of the one of the things with
the UH, the breakaway civilization, is that they have access
to tech that we're not even familiar with, and they've
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had access to it a long time. Anti gravity being
one of those free power being another one, a lot
of Teessel's inventions, you know, the broadcasting energy over you know,
through the air, his death ray, things like that. You know,
a lot of the suppressed technology. The reason why I
started with the Invention Secrecy Act is because a lot
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of you know, one of the things that the breakaway
civilizations rely on is advanced technology, because that's how they
have been able to break away and be independent and
unreliant on the larger civilization.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
Yeah, and as was agent k on men in Black
would say, they would occasionally release the advanced technology to
the public to help keep funding certain things like it intellectually,
you know, even if you discard the alien and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
UFO aspect of it. The breakaway civilization, God, I hate
saying it just makes so much sense. Well, the worst
part of it is it makes sense, and it also
proves we need them because they keep throwing us bones
are every so often. I mean, you know, where did
things like Velcrow come from? Because they kind of came
(30:36):
out of the middle of nowhere. It's just like, all
of a sudden, we have this stuff that you can
basically it seals together and not in any way that
we knew before. But yeah, it just proves that it's
one of those things. And it's something that's been bugging
me for a while because and it's the same kind
of thing, because we have all of this technology and
all this knowledge, and nobody really knows where the hell
(30:57):
that came from. It's just all of a sudden it
was available to us. So one there's only there's there's
two options. There's either some sort of extraterrestrial outside influence,
or there is some sort of influence that's been here
all along and is occasionally just throwing us a bone
to keep us distracted, or possibly both.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, you know, the term I discovered today during
when researching this is a term I had never actually
heard before, but it actually one I like it and
it kind of it kind of makes sense not only
with this, you know, because there's three classifications of it,
and that is a crypto terrestrial and you know that
(31:42):
kind of goes with the cryptid thing too, but it
falls under three categories. You've got the aliens who live
among us, you know, kind of like an MiB or Jeff.
You've got you've got an ancient civilization that didn't fall
with the rest of them. You know, you're at lant
Tis you're you're all of your great your your el Dorado,
(32:04):
you all your you know, Shangri Law, all the mythical
air quote mythical uh havens of technology and utopia that
exists in an island independent of us. And then you
have the third kind, and that is the elite, the
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super intelligent that you know what Jeff was talking about,
and that they have their secret societies and enclaves and
also have their own you know, it's they'll fly in
private jets for show. But it's rumored they have portal technology.
They have you know where they you know, you just
(32:46):
kind of like, you know, stargate from one room to another,
you know, and uh so, I mean that's kind of
that's kind of fun with that too. And they're not
individual you know, they're not mutually exclusive either. You know,
any of these three groups, if there's any of these
three groups can all intermingle and move with each other.
Because if you're at that height, that enhanced state, of course,
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you're going to be aware of some you know, you're
kind of like Neo once he figures out you know, yes,
you know that you know you can see you can
see the code and realize Okay, that's a battery, that's
a that's an agent kind of thing.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
Yeah, and would also it would explain so many things
either any of the really the three tiers that I
like to call the breakaway civilization has We often stop
and ponder how did something become so mainstream? Like I
know Rick has mentioned many times on the show, and
you've mentioned it as well. When did UFOs become accepted
(33:46):
commonplace not a stigma. We seem to something seems to
be controlling the flow of information that Okay, all of
a sudden, this is is acceptable. Okay, you know twenty
years ago it was weird to see a transgendered person,
and now we're nothing but inundated with them, you know,
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as one aspect of society.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's like, why is that?
Speaker 10 (34:10):
It's like so many if you were I love the
game theory, if you were afraid someone broke away from
your society aka Elon and was about to reveal some
information is trying to break what you're doing, you would
throw every distraction and chaos into the system to protect
(34:32):
yourself that you possibly could. And it just yeah, like
I said to my brain, it just makes so much sense.
You look at the drones. Why were the drones sent
out that had all these weirdness but yet still followed
FAA lighting roles. Well, easiest explanation is they wanted us
(34:54):
to be distracted by something and to maybe demonstrate to
other people across the world who may be rising up
and going, hey, you know, we're kind of sick of
this this one world bullshit that Look, we have technology
that you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Why are we.
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Releasing the TikTok video or you know, not tiktalk but
tic tac. Sorry, different whole scenario there, but the tic
tac video that breaks all defiance of physics that we
understand it. These are just the little gentle reminders to
the leaves and most of earth that hey, we're better
(35:34):
than you, we know more than you, and pay attention
to us and respect our authority.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know, we were talking about it before the show
with the drones and you know, where did they go?
Because you know, we were talking about how we hadn't
done a show for a while, what else was going
on at that time that that was absolutely chewing the
news up for But it's sort it's not a rhetorical question.
I'm actually I'm trying to remember because ye worked. I
(36:05):
forgot what the other thing going on at the time was.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, and well, just for the record, I really forget anything,
and yeah, I can't remember what what else, But.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
There was something political going on. I remember and uh
oh it was the Omnibus when they were trying to
pass that fifteen. Yeah, it's like so it's like, well,
all that was going on. Hey, guys, here's some drones.
Don't pay attention. Yeah, you know, don't pay what we're doing. Fuck,
they caught us.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Yeah, and you you guys have talked about this on
on a handful of episodes, about the Disney connection, the
Hollywood connection, that people are are masters of.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Distraction of look over here, look at this, look at that,
and it is so commonplace that I hate saying there
are puppet you puppet masters leading people around. But the
brickaway civilization, whether alien or not, really does demonstrate that
(37:10):
this is at least feasible and and and makes it
understandable to a degree why we are seeing some of
the things we are.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know, this whole thing reminded me of while I
was researching it was the silence from doctor.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Who mm hm, that's a that's a good that's a
good takeaway that I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, because I mean you think, yeah, I mean even then,
you know, it's kind of like you a wife of
uh the okay, a wife of a man who I knew,
but his wife he had Q clearance and yeah, this
was back when X files was the thing, and he
would just comment and watch. She would tell me, he
(37:52):
would comment on watching the show, is that Chris Carter
knows somebody. And I have a feeling that Steven Moffatt
kind of knows somebody too, because they kind of always
hide those things in the show. And yeah, so it's
just kind of a I was just thinking about it.
It's like, Okay, so you have this, you have this
uh breakaway civilization that is kind of like the side
living in tunnels underneath the earth well.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And you guys have said for years on doing this
show that not to make you feel old or anything,
but Hollywood at times, we're coming up on six years
in April, so you can't really make us feel any older. Okay,
fair point, But Hollywood get so many things accurate at
times ahead of the time. And you know, there has been,
(38:38):
uh a supposition that maybe they are just releasing this
information to prep us for what's coming next, what's coming this?
And I have to say I've been ever since I
got my serious XM subscription, My my, my, Jeep, I've
been listening to a lot of Glenn Beck from nine
to twelve.
Speaker 10 (38:58):
And it's God, it's been what a decade since I've
listened to him regularly. But he's been talking about the
drones a lot, and some of the aspects of interdimensional
beings and quantum computing, and it's kind of fascinating, especially
(39:18):
coming from the computing world, what quantum computers can do
and theoretically are doing that. If a breakaway civilization had
this twenty twenty five years ago, which is feasible because
it's physics and it's all one hundred percent mathematically confirmed,
that they could have been doing this twenty to twenty
(39:39):
five years and we're just now catching up because they've
been slowly reducing It makes you think what else is coming?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You know, it really is.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Computing, and in general, I mean basically computing. Modern computing
as we know it didn't really start until early nineties. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, we had our commer sixty is we
all had our two eighty sixes and shit like that.
But computing as we know it didn't really, I mean,
modern computing didn't really start until we were moving at
(40:10):
a blazing fast thirty three six yeah kill.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, dude, I remember when that seems so fast.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
Now we're pissed off if it takes more than a
minute to download fifteen gigabytes.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Oh my god, this download this fucking app is taking forever.
It is so much bloat where yeah so.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Would sign on the AOL then it doesn't download an
entire movie now.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Right, But I mean, so you think about it, that
wasn't even thirty years ago, and not much has changed
since then. I mean, I know that it's been talked
about in other shows, you know. I'm pretty sure Al
was talking about it this week too. I think it
was Al that was talking about it. That really nothing's
really changed in that time. So, I mean, we were
(40:58):
on this rapid climb of tech knowlogy and advancement, and
then all of a sudden, we've kind of peaked, yes
for now, you know, And it's like in a way
that we haven't peaked in a long time, and all
since the end of the Industrial Revolution, which tells me
that we're probably at the end of the technological revolution
and the next phase is coming, or we start regressing.
(41:19):
One of the two.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
One of the two I do. I do believe quantum
computing is. I won't lie to you.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
I am scared about it, only because I know from
the physics side of it, what it what it could
potentially do, and that scares the but Jesus out of me.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But just because all the all the publications downplay it. Yeah,
they're just like, yeah, it's not that cool. You know,
it's not going to make your gaming that much better. No,
you're right, it's not going to make my gaming that
much faster. But it's you know, it's it's awesome and
scary in other ways that you know, it's like, oh,
I can't wait to have You're not gonna have a
(41:59):
quantum on your desk. You're going to have quantum. You're
going to be attached, You're going to be network to
a quantum computer. And then that's going to be the yeah,
you know.
Speaker 10 (42:09):
And tying into the breakaway civilization and quantum computing. Part
of quantum computing, the theory goes that at the quantum level,
you can tap into multiverse and it would be the
easiest way to have a true breakaway civilization from all
the smart people that were born or created on Earth
(42:31):
would to be living in a multiverse. They're living in
another version of ours that can traverse whichever one they
want to go in with whatever knowledge of whatever technology
they want. With quantum computing, if it can possibly pack
tap into that, because once again quantum physics does prove
to some level that that actually could exist. We are
(42:55):
looking at instead of a computer going through two point
five billion permittations one after another, we're looking at it
going two point five billion permittations.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
At once simultaneously. Yeah, multi threading becomes a joke.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yes, yes, so we I love my whole idea of this.
Speaker 10 (43:18):
This this episode with breakaway civilization is kind of a
a reinforcement of what you two have done over well.
As Rick said in April, six years of stuff, when
we went to the moon, why did we stop going
at The easiest answer is, do you know? It just
wasn't spectacular, it wasn't cost efficient. But I know one
(43:39):
of the things you talked about is we were told
not to anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, well what better.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Place to put a breakaway civilization?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And that and that and you know that kind of
goes with I mean, you know a little bit of
Richard Seahagland and uh some other you know, alternative theories,
you know, uh, conspiratatement, whatever you want to call it.
That most of the pictures of the dark side of
the moon you see are seem air brushed. Yes, the
(44:14):
resolution isn't as hot as you would on the light side.
And it's been positive that there's over two hundred structures
that have to be air brushed out every time someone
decides they want to take pictures of the dark side
of the moon. Yeah, and uh yeah, so yeah, I mean, no,
no better place again with the silence tunnels under the earth,
(44:36):
hollow Earth, yeah, even Antarctica, you know, and yeah, yeah,
Olgan's kind of made himself a joke, but it's still
he the some of his ideas was fine to mty
in the chat. Some of his some of his ideas,
I don't want to say they're sound, but they the
(45:00):
they're interesting to pause it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, and you know, even the.
Speaker 10 (45:04):
Worst people have a good idea or truth statement every
now and then. I won't mention his name, but you
could point to some really evil people that you can
sit there and go.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, they might have had a point on Issue seventy two,
had some pretty good ideas, right, yeah, yeah, you know
it's horrible to say it, but not every evil person
has a bad idea, or every stupid person has a
bad idea, unless you're me. Then it seems to reveal
itself every week.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
But it's.
Speaker 10 (45:40):
Yeah, what is really fascinating to me is it is
the naysayers on this is will say that the breakaway
civilization is to it. It explains too much of all
the scenarios. It's too much of an easy, easy bake
oven of Oh hey, I need to fit this conspiracy,
(46:02):
this conspiracy, this conspiracy and this conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
How do I make it all work?
Speaker 10 (46:06):
Right? But at the same time, isn't that kind of
Okham's razor? That is, it sounds more like Okham's razor.
I mean, think about this for a second though.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
If there is in fact an offshoot of human civilization,
whether it's spread out to the moon, under the Earth,
you know, wherever, what better way to hide from the stupid,
you know, the the redneck cousins than to portray yourself
(46:40):
as aliens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's no I I I do.
I tried like I said, a game theory. I think
a game theory so much my brain hurts at times
and I and I have to take breaks.
Speaker 10 (46:57):
You can you can look at some some benign things
if you want to conspiracy theory something. Why is Pluto
now not a planet?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, it's just been pretty much. I mean by doing that,
all intents and purposes just kind of took its Oh
that's just another Kuiper Belt object now, or you know,
it's the King of the Dwarf.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Don't don't look there.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
There's nothing to he here. It doesn't matter anymore. Speaking
of which, I just recently rewatched the episode of Atlantis
where Rodney was giving Nila grass tyson ship about Pluto.
I thought that was amazing mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But yeah, I know, I just and uh yeah, Jesus Christ, Jewel,
Saddie busting Neil uh Bill knives balls.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
That actually has become one of my sleeps now, it's
actually become one of my.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Als. An interesting theory in chat too, he says he
thinks the Breakaway Civilization is a version of anders game
where artistics geniuses are being used real time for assassinations
and starting wars. Well, they think they're playing the video game.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Funny thing is I was about to postulate the reverse.
What if there is not technically a breakaway civilization, but
we are actually not part of that civilization because we're
all in a computer outside of the actual civilization in
a simulation.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Well well yeah, not necessarily because not necessarily, because we
would still see that as a breakaway civilization from in here.
But it would also explain some of the things we
were just talking about, like the random drops of technological
upgrades that just appear.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And no, actually, right after, right after I dismissed it,
I said, now, wait a second. I was kind of
like that meme with the the woman nah and then wait,
you know.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
And in one of the articles you post the UFO
Digest one, there's a comment that that really sticks out
to me. With as far as the breakaway theory that
goes from the nineteen seventy three period up to nineteen
ninety one, there were, if I'm not mistaken, two hundred
and eighty one such anomalous events recorded by the DSP satellites.
(49:10):
The guy would go on and say, now, I'm not
saying that every one of these recorded anomalous events are
et craft, but a number of them are really bizarre.
For example, one that took place around nineteen eighty four,
recorded by satellite, showed an object that approached it to
within a certain very close distance and then moved away.
In fact, it approach from a point in deep space
and then moved on.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
We have such an.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
Open window where space travel was neanderthali ish, and it's
easy easy to explain. Oh, while you know, everything with
the American space race to get into the Moon was
was done at such a breakneck speed on chalkboards that
not everything was written down right everything?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, well, yk, you build a Saturn five day when
most of those were custom made, you know, here here,
here's the design. You know, here's the blueprints for it.
But we found out that one really didn't work. So
we took a hammer to this thing and you know,
bashed in a bit, you know, a couple of millimeters,
and then it works. So we just forgot to take
that notation.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, and and that is absolutely feasible. But the people
that were part of that program didn't die off, didn't
die out, No, well, I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Mean so recent I mean, one of my favors he
designed the second stage booster, the Saturn five. And you know,
he passed away about ten years. He was one of
my Thanksgiving feeders and but you know he has but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
The information was still accessible. No one wanted to assist it,
and the and and one of the easier ways to
explain it is this breakaway civilization said, don't.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Can't do any We can't build en F twenty two anymore. Yeah,
we can't. We can't build the kid anymore. You know.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
It's that's the part that always always entertains me, is
that the knowledge was never lost. So where did it go?
Why was it not pursued?
Speaker 10 (51:12):
Why was it not Why these guys and gals were
intelligent minds, why did they not write it down afterwards?
You know, even if they didn't have have you know,
specific all we hit it, hit it, hit this panel
seven times with a size three hammer, I get it,
but they would have had knowledge that, yeah, we had
(51:33):
to make some fine tune adjustments and it might you know,
we remember roughly in hammer and this and that.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
And to make this adjustment. So it's like, okay that
the bell on the rocket needs to be you know,
concave at the end you know, by a couple of
millimeters or a couple of centimeters. That's that's the kind
of thing. Is like, Okay, for the next rocket we build,
do this with it.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, and and.
Speaker 10 (51:59):
I I swear I am not making this up. What
really brought this to mine was a recent fat Electrician
video about about my hero and idol.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Semo Simo Simo. Hey, that's a real way, that's not
just doing I know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Right, this man who never tried to get his story
published wrote and recorded everything and it wasn't found until
twenty seventeen, right, So it just makes me wonder what
knowledge is still out there to be found by someone's
nephew or niece that oh, hey they did this, they
(52:42):
did that, or has it been purposely secluded and found
because they were working on a more top secretish project
than just your absolutely wonderful idea of killing comies.
Speaker 10 (52:55):
So, you know, is this information still accessible? Was it
taken into a civilization? You guys have mentioned Tesla, and
on that episode you talked about how everyone came in
and seemed to have rated his his apartment and everything
took all the notes. A breakaway civilization is the easiest
explanation of who took it and why we don't know
about it anymore?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, and you know, the other the other thing with
the breakaway civilization too is that you know it if
you look at the actual size of the US Defense
Department's black budget, it the dollars there don't even account
for the worst case scenario of everything that they every
(53:39):
project that is under their black budget, yes, costing more
than it. I mean, the black budget is huge compared
to what is actually being worked.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Onne.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
That can't all be going to R and D. That
can't all be going to covert operations. That can't all
be going to there, I mean, And the only thing
that really when you put a price tag on it,
The thing again Olkham's razor is oh yeah, there's a
secret space program. Only a space program could cost that much.
You wonder why we lost interest in you know, I
(54:12):
mean not just society, but it's why, you know, It's
like the thing with when you look at the you know,
the progression of military surveillance equipment. You go from the
YouTube to the SR seventy one to Spice satellites, you
have a linear path. You have nothing after the Shuttle program. Yeah,
they're talking about Artemis and that's fine and everything, but
(54:33):
we went from one to the next to the next
with only with only small gaps. You know, this has
been a very large gap with no space program. I mean,
for a while we were counting on the Russians to
get us into space, and now you we're paying an
autistic South African to do it.
Speaker 10 (54:53):
Right, right and now and now now we have these big,
gigantic metal arms catching rockets.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
We're catching rockets with chopsticks. We're Miyagi with flies, right, men?
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Do'll catch rocket with chopstick? Can do anything? Yeah, I
mean it's.
Speaker 10 (55:13):
I do find it hysterical that the understanding of rocketry
is advanced as it is, but spacecraft in itself, leaving
low Earth orbit seems to still be a struggle for us.
I do find that a little fascinating. But you know,
one of the things I love with this theory too
is and and I would love to talk about it
(55:33):
after a break is the highly specific alien aspect of
why would aliens participate with a breakaway civilization? What is
the benefits of an alien race? From say, Office Centauri
b that, why would we want to separate some of
these people from the the the everyday plebes, And what
(55:57):
would it benefit an alien civilization for having a breakaway
civilization here on Earth?
Speaker 2 (56:06):
We do believe you may again be the fifth race Odin.
I mean, I'm not saying no, but you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (56:16):
A lot of earthly explanation for breakaway civilization makes sense.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Why would aliens be a part of it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Well, that's one. That's that's something to positives. We go
into break real quick. Al made a good point too,
is I remember the Star Wars project. The only thing
keeping it from being real was geosynchronous orbit technology, the
same technology that we use a lot today.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
M h yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
It's not you know which It so blows my mind
that we didn't have geosinc arbit tech in the eighties,
reliable geosinc orbitech, Yeah, reliable.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe we did. They just didn't
want us to know.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh, that's just it.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
We probably did. All right, let's go ahead and take
a break. We didn't we see that we need We
skipped the middle break anyway, so we got to take
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Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Mm hmmm huh. Yeah.
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He was talking about a short that Terry Schapper was in. Yeah,
I haven't watched it yet. I've heard about it. I
haven't watched it yet, but anyway, apparently he from what
from what? From what I've seen, he played a much
more convincing man in black than Will Smith. But after
watching Will Smith, you know, bave like a bitch. That's
not surprising. Oh yeah, sorry, was that?
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My bad?
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But anyway, anyway, we're talking about breakaway civilizations and all
the different little handy things that come with it, and
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I had first time I did vengeance is sweet. First
time I did that was Steve At. He was like,
what the hell does that?
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:07:28):
The first time I did it, I got his video
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Ooops, see you see what happened. Was The funny thing is,
I'm actually a lot of that stuff is starting to
go away, Like I've noticed on like Facebook. Now if
you play like music, it'll flag you for a second
and then we'll say you've now determined who the rights
to this music are. If this video makes any money,
you have to share it with them. I'm like, I'm
kind of cool with that.
Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I would rather do that than just say get banned.
Let them get some of the profits, and we just
it looks like it maybe he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Maybe he wasn't, maybe he didn't come back from the
break well, so we'll see if he comes back in
a second. The government got him. Yeah, you know, black
helicopteris either that or either that or somebody illed Alection
three times in his Internet crashed. Yeah. True, true.
Speaker 10 (01:08:21):
So one of the questions I had of our breakaway
theory is trying to understand an alien mindset. And I
know it's jokes. Aside with me being one, it is
a exercise and futility to try to understand an alien
brain properly, because they're not going to think like us necessarily.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Well, I mean, if you don't mind, I'm going to
stop you right there for a second, because just to
put this into perspective, look at how much difference in
how our minds work between Western civilization and Eastern civilization.
Now imagine that in a completely separate not not even
on the same evolutionary skill civilization, and imagine what the
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disconnects would be. Yes, And.
Speaker 10 (01:09:06):
You know, there used to be an old improper saying
that Einstein had trouble remembering his own phone number, which
is absolutely asinine. But there are people, especially what we
know as autism now, who are high thinkers who may
have actually some form of telepathy and access to knowledge
we don't understand with people who are intelligent normally, if
(01:09:33):
you will, our understanding of intelligence, I still think is
rather juvenile in nature of what is needed, Like so
many people in quote unquote civilized cities who couldn't tell
you how to plant corn. We'll look at farmers as
being idiots, and yet the details that are required in
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the intelligence of knowing crop rotation and soil consistency is
actually top tier, you know, intelligence when applied.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And I go back to this one story all the time.
This friend of mine, friend of the family was oh god,
he couldn't pass high school math.
Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
He failed high school. He had to go through try
to get his ged and he just could not do math.
And my friend and I we we would laugh at him,
not because he was stupid, but because we would say, no, dude,
you're actually very smart math wise. Because he was a
he was a carpenter, he was a builder. He could
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look at things materials needed to build a wall, to
build a small hut, and no, instantly, okay, I need
this many four by fours, I need this much plywood,
I need this material, and he the numbers were one
hundred percent accurate, but he just couldn't write down the
math that he was doing in his head. So internally
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he you could tell the dude was highly intellectual, but
because he couldn't put it on paper. He couldn't pass
high school. So the way we look at intelligence is
I think a universal problem. And to think about alien intelligence.
Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
One of the things one of the research papers and
link that you sent for the show was about Harvard
researchers propose odd theory could aliens walk among us? Well, A,
here I am, but being it's it's an interesting theory.
Speaker 10 (01:11:39):
Because what is alien? Is Stephen Hawking an alien compared
to a group of kindergarteners, I mean, besides him maybe
being sexually attracted to them, what is you know, the alien?
Would he be considered an alien? If you if someone
else came into the room and they say, oh, this
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guy's in a wheelchair, can barely talk, and he's a
bunch of you know, six year olds are running around
doing things, putting blocks in the appropriate spot. You may
look at the six year olds as being more intelligent
than the guy in the wheelchair who can't speak and
do things.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, the whole all this stuff coming out about Howking
actually kind of broke my heart. He was always kind
of a nerdish hero of mine, and I was like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Really? I want the unreleased tapes on ndt. I know
they're out there. I know, I know they're out there.
I want to take that man down. It's a personal vendetta.
Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
He's just so fucking smug in the most annoying way possible.
I mean, I'm pretty fucking smug, and I look at him,
I go Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I mean, is he really smug or is it just
the the monotone, robotic voice that makes him seem that way?
Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Are you talking about Hawking or I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I don't know who we're talking about at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I miss we're talking about Tyson.
Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Oh yeah, never mind, but you no, Yeah, that dude.
I don't know. I don't even know why he's as
smug as he is. It's just, yeah, I don't get
it either.
Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I've seen some dirt on him, and not the
you know, the false sexual harassment, just the way that
he got his degree.
Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Yeah, shape, and if you ever saw his family on
the episode of Jeopardy, you'll hate him even more. But
trust me, you will cringe at his arrogance. Now the
question I have and welcome back Wardy, glad you could
come back and join us.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, no, my power flick just long enough to make
my PC reboot.
Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I hate, I hate when that happens. I want to.
Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
Because I'm biased, I know the answer. So I want
to ask you two, with a breakaway society, what relation
Why would aliens have anything to do with a breakaway
civilization involving people of Earth?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Well, okay, so in my in my opinion, the reason
why they would would be that, I mean, this would
be you kind of like the you know that scene
in Closingcounts of the Third Kind at the end where
they had the people that were actually selected to go,
you know, as part of a you know, go and
be live with the ets, you know, kind of like
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to impart our knowledge to them, and you know, you know,
it's kind of like the best of the best of
us were to go along with them to uh to
educate them, you know, just for a sharing of technology
and you know, cultural you to understand.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Each other better.
Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
And that's that's the only legitimate I mean, unless I mean, okay,
so I I'm kind of putting you know, human you know,
morals and uh yeahthos on h On an alien civilization.
(01:15:09):
But yeah, unless they are also the elites who are
just go, We're not dealing with the great unwashed on
your planet that they do spend a lot of time
being teasers. You're not going to deal with them, you know,
we're dealing you know, we need to deal with the
Secret Society because your your civilization just isn't ready for us,
which kind of goes along with every UFO theory there is,
(01:15:30):
so you know, that's you know, if there was a
breakaway civilization, that would be the that that would be
the legitimate one that I would see for you know,
interacting with aliens.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Okay, I mean maybe were there intergelect charity case my
my theory behind and oh god, I don't know what
show you guys are.
Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
I don't know if it was a Rick and Ordy
episode or not where you eventually turned around the Stargate
and Stargate universe. And my comment and chat about that
is I think what lies behind why aliens would be
involved in a breakaway civilization is you look at Stargate
SG one, You had Daniel Jackson in for a couple
(01:16:22):
of seasons, Jonas Quinn. They were the heart of that team.
If you look at other Stargate iterations, they're lacking that
heart and it shows they're still good entertaining shows, but
there's something missing. And then once again looking at SG one,
(01:16:44):
you look at the Asgard race and highly intelligent, very
you know, systematic A. They're looking for DNA replacement, which
makes sense, but you don't the way it is written
is they don't have that heart either. So are we
possibly unique in in in the universe where our heart
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are conscious? Is enough of a difference that people would
be curious about us and want us to maybe help
instill And in a perverse way, there's a good chance
that by them having the quote unquote higher intelligence people,
they may actually be missing out on a lot of it,
which is why we see all these struggles day to day.
Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I mean that that that's you know, that's try oh
to uh. One question that was at the universe did
have Eli, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
He was, He's a heart but not not Jonas and Daniel.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I mean Eli was the heart and as much as
they tried to make McKay the heart of Atlantis and
it just didn't work. Yeah, But more so so, you know,
we we have to look at earthlings as what do
we bring at the table that would make a breakaway civilization?
And I do think.
Speaker 10 (01:18:09):
No, I'm sorry, I can't think of any other better word.
I do think the humanity of us make it an
interesting aspect for an outsider to come view us.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You know, but wouldn't the concept of a breakaway civilization preclude,
you know, eliminate the fact that you know, they would
be the ones with the heart, you know that, because
they're taking the elite when you look at the way government,
the military, dust show, entertainment complex worse, they're taking the
worst people who are the best at what they do.
Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And and if I may say, I think this is not.
Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
Yet and I think this is why the breakaway civilization
fails more times than it succeeds. And we needed distractions
because they don't understand the core. They don't understand the
mass of everyone else around them. So they're trying to
do all this stuff and occasionally we get hit with this,
this and this, and they're like, wait a minute, why
is this person able to see what we're doing?
Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Why are they going?
Speaker 10 (01:19:07):
Because they don't understand the human thought process, because they
are at a a different process of their way.
Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Right, it's you know what I want to mention when
we came back from the break or you know, unfortunately, right,
with my piece you mentioned, Yeah, I wanted to One
of the best explanations for the breakaway civilization, and this
kind of goes with that too, would be, you know,
one of the best ways to explain it would be
if you go back two hundred years and then you
were to take you know, a European and then just
(01:19:36):
drop them in the Amaz the two experiences, the two
world experiences, the way that they look at the world,
their technological differences use somebody from in the Amazon and
then somebody in Central Europe, you know, during the eighteen hundreds,
or you know in the eastern United States sur in
the eighteen hundreds. They don't they're not even on the
same playing field. Yes, you know, it's just they they don't.
(01:20:00):
They can't relate to each other. And to your point
that you were making, is that in that thing you have,
you know that in this case, the technologically advanced, you know,
people who are unable to relate to nature anymore. The
way that the Amazonian would be able to relate to nature,
(01:20:22):
and kind of the same thing is that they would
be unable to relate to just basic human thought processes
anymore because they are just they're so up there you know,
you know, to crass it up a little bit. They're
so up their own ass that they don't see what's
obvious to everyone. And when they do, like to your point,
when they do something that they quickly have to you know, obfuscate,
(01:20:47):
it's kind of like, well, this is you. You thought
you were being clever. This is just fucking obvious to everybody.
Speaker 10 (01:20:52):
And it's I'm going to use an X interaction like
a I think it was happening during Asgard North, but
it might have been after where you responded to someone
who doesn't believe the Satanic panic happened. It's like, it's
just completely foreign thought that people could have looked at
D and D or music as you know, Oh it's
(01:21:16):
a Satanic panic. The difference of eras and times and
thought processes there there on display every day if you
stop and take a look, and if you try to
expand it to an alien race who is absolutely I mean,
please forgive me for making this comparison, but I.
Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Think it's apt.
Speaker 10 (01:21:40):
Look at what's going on, unfortunately in your state, and
look at what's going on in the appellations.
Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
And how the two react to it.
Speaker 10 (01:21:51):
Right, those largely those two groups of individuals in the
same country, on the same planet. Their thought processes are
largely different, you know, at least as what we're being presented.
I'm sure they're a lot closer than I'm giving them
credit for here, but you understand what I'm talking about.
(01:22:13):
There's just enough thought processes between one coast and the
other depending on where you live, that the breakaway civilization
you could see where it would succeed because you are
trying to bring the brightest and smartest and whatever gifts
they do are do bringing, are recruited, and just the
(01:22:34):
people that are making it happen, making you know who.
You would look at that as you're like, oh, these
these people are stupid. But yet you're the ones, you know,
repairing their seventy eight forward pickup truck and are keeping
it running.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Right, they understand how seeds work?
Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 10 (01:22:57):
The breakaway civilization only works in my opinion, if you
embrace the totality of humankind. You can't have a breakaway
civilization with just one cog when when the watch needs
twenty four to operate?
Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Right, So it's my one?
Speaker 10 (01:23:18):
Oh God, I hope I don't get banned from a
newspaper for saying this. It's the one chink in the
armor that I have. I struggle with with the breakaway theory.
You know it, you would really anything intelligent enough to
understand that you need everything doesn't need a breakaway civilization.
Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
I'm pondering me too.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I'm like, no, it doesn't. You just drop some deepness. Yeah, no,
I just never really thought of it like that.
Speaker 10 (01:24:03):
But that said, I could see the US government trying
to do it because they fuck up everything, right.
Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
A government in general, any government.
Speaker 10 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I could see an alien race fucking it up
because they don't understand humanity and not understanding that. You know,
it's that that individual who just shows up every day,
does his job, plans those seeds, gets that truck running again.
It is more or equally important as the guy at
(01:24:34):
Harvard trying to understand quantum physics.
Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
On paper. You're gonna look at the guy doing the
quantum physics going, oh god, he's a genius. But so
is that other guy.
Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
And that is where I think we we we fail,
and a lot of people fail understanding the components of
breakaway civilization.
Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I'm going to really blow your mind here.
Speaker 10 (01:25:01):
The part so they eat more so, at one point
on Earth, we considered ourselves the center of the universe.
Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
What if right?
Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
We are true? We truly are. We are the breakaway
civilization that was put here for a purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
And you know, even twenty years ago that seemed likely.
But as we're getting better, you know, discovering exoplanets, we
still haven't found anything earthy. We've found Earth like, yes,
we've found Earth possible, but we haven't found anything earthy
(01:25:47):
and we found several thousand planets now, and uh, I
mean it, The odds of us being unique are.
Speaker 10 (01:25:59):
Slim, mathematically slim, but yes not yeah, you know, and
you try. You look at things like octopus, starfish that
that really don't follow a lot of other other scenarios
within the normal earth physics and and geology and everything
(01:26:19):
that just doesn't biology, that doesn't seem to fit one
hundred percent in the theory.
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
This is right.
Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
You know, what the hell is a duck build platypus?
I mean that, but you you look at it and go,
what makes the breakaway civilization plausible is not only can
we see it as something we would do, something an
alien race would would do, but you in totality, you
really could see us as us being that breakaway civilization
(01:26:49):
that is as meant as the great experiment, the great Okay,
this is the the the fish bowl that makes everything work,
and maybe we're under utilizing that aspect of our civilization
that we're not breaking away until recently where we're starting
to get over into that the platinum age of discovery,
we're getting into the quantum computing, we're getting into the
(01:27:13):
idea of actually landing a ship on Mars and bringing
people back home is now just not some sci fi
on a bad TV series.
Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
It's now, for the first time, legitimate.
Speaker 10 (01:27:26):
We could have been that Petri dish of a breakaway
civilization from someone else, whether it be from the Wang
family farm on Mars.
Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Well, believe it or not, this goes This is a
callback to I think second third or fourth episode of
Juxtaposition when we talked about the Hollow Moon and how
their theory is that it might actually be a spaceship
that was used to bring us here. But in the
vein of us potentially being the breakaway society, who says
(01:27:57):
that this isn't the second, third, fourth, fifty six, three,
even millions time that we've reached this level of technology
and this is usually right about the time we screw
something up and everything gets reset and we start over. Yes,
it was.
Speaker 10 (01:28:12):
Oh god, was it Carl Sagan who said the most
likely outcome of human civilization is destruction because we don't
know how to utilize the tools at our hand.
Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
It's why we'll never I think, Yeah, I think that
was in the small blue dot.
Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's why you know many
people suggesting the kardashef scale will never hit one, We'll
never hit the first here because humanity is doomed to
repeat itself and fail because we seem to advance further
in our technological skill than our ability to understand the downsides.
(01:28:55):
And we see it every day. I mean, I know
it's a small chasm of society, but you look at
X and some of the some of the things that
people post on X, like the President can all of
a sudden say that the twenty eighth Amendment is actually
law now even though it's and you have you have
(01:29:16):
people of alleged intelligence going, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
He's right, he's right.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
You know he's right, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
What the fucking people with great check marks are like? Yes,
I'm like, are you kidding me.
Speaker 11 (01:29:28):
Yeah, So, so.
Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
That's one of the reasons I love the Kardashev scale
as well, because any society that can get past one
probably would never be visited or seen by anyone under
the scale of one. So now the question is that
are there out there are they would would they entertain it?
Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Would they you know, would they.
Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
Pull away the people to try to try to get
other civilizations to that one cardiship scale by utilizing a
break excuse me, breakaway civilization that could help that planet
get to that point?
Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
And it's yeah, well so just you know, in this
same thought process, you know, you had asked the reason
of why they why they might want to interact with us,
But I think you may have just started formulating an
answer to your own question. What if it's not that
we have wiped ourselves out repeatedly? What if we've reached
a significant enough advancement point that the people that have
(01:30:36):
reached that have been removed, Because what if we're like
some sort of galactic laboratory. It would explain so many things,
like all the weird animals that make no sense and
just just.
Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Kind of like the first ones in Babylon five. Yeah, yes,
they evolved so far out that they just kind of okay,
you know, we're you know, we're going to go out
to the fringe and you know, y'all do your you
do your thing. We're out here, you know, contemplating our
own magnificence, and.
Speaker 10 (01:31:08):
I'm going to introduce a completely new theory. It just
came to my brain, what if the Breakaway Civilization is
a prison for people that would interfere with our becoming
a Kardaschef one scale, because the people that they are
getting rid of don't understand ethics and morals. Well, on
(01:31:30):
the other end of that too, basically saying that the
Breakaway Civilization is our version of the Phantom Zone.
Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yes, hmmm, see that, you know, Okay, that reminds me
of it was either an outer limits or you know,
when they redid the Twilight Zone in the mid to
late ninete eighties, there was an episode where, you know,
it's the parents kept outing the kid go out and play,
go out and play, have fun, and he's like, no,
you know, because there's apparently this big test that everybody
(01:31:58):
in society has to take, and it was like, you know,
and he's like, no, I really want to study for
this test, it's important to do well. And you know,
the parents kept trying to say, no, just you know,
go out, have a good time, You'll do fine on
the tests. And it comes to the end of it that, yeah,
the parents receive notification from the powers that be, the
government whatever it was saying, uh, you know, your son
(01:32:20):
passed the test, so he received he achieved a score
blah blah blah blah blah. Where would you like his
remain sin where if you scored too high, they just
took you out.
Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Yeah, you know, to go with your theory, So it
got it's kind of like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Okay, So yeah, the breakaway society is a prison to
isolate them because they are going to disrupt society and
civilization with it. Like Tesla. You know, you know, if
he had had the money to do the things he
had wanted to do, he absolutely would have disrupted the
(01:32:56):
status quo for the better. In many cases except for
that fucking death ray.
Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I could see some benefits to to the death ray.
Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
And you know, well, yeah, I mean that was definitely
a mad that was mutually a sure destruction. But also
his earthquake machine. Yeah that one, yeah, that one, well,
I mean that was unintentional. He wanted it to do
something else, and then he almost shook the building apart.
So I got the name of earthquake machine because when
the police arrived, he said, no, it must have just
(01:33:26):
been a very localizer earthquake.
Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yes, And al Al has just interjected the Star Trek
four theory.
Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
What if?
Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Yes, what if none of this is actually about us
as a human.
Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
But if it's the whales or the dolphins or you know,
pretty bitchhikers, the mice, you know, and and we can
expand looking at it from this angle, the breakaway theory
Or did I mention I really like this theory?
Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Yeah? Yeah, only so you dropped it on me the
other day. You I could tell, You're like, oh, you
guys should really do the sometime. And you know, it's
like I was looking at some of the material we had,
you know, we hadn't used it. I'm okay, well that's
Christmas stuff, and there's the lost technology. And then I'm like,
you know what, fuck it, let's ship it. We'll send it.
And then I'm like, I said, you know, this falls
(01:34:14):
into the lost technology. So this could actually be a
start of you know, devetail this into the last here
the forbidden.
Speaker 10 (01:34:20):
Absolutely and and and if you take the reverse breakaway
civilization that.
Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
We are it.
Speaker 10 (01:34:30):
And we've been it for a very very long time.
And to Rick's point, what if this isn't the first attempt.
Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
When you look at that, then no, I.
Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Was gonna say, that goes with the you know, the
ancient civilizations didn't disappear, Yes, they just secluded themselves. Yeah,
what if that goes that goes with the whole like
I said, shangle on and yeah, not so much in Atlantis,
but you know the you know El Dorado and so
on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
What if Attempt one fail.
Speaker 10 (01:35:06):
And they realized what they were missing, so attempt to
took place, and they said, you know what, we there's
like seven continents, there's going to be a whole bunch
of people. What if we put oh, I don't know,
six seven, eight, nine religions out there to try to
guide people, to to give them an implant of moral
and ethics. Because what we found we noticed in an
(01:35:29):
attempt A was the self serving side of humanity of
the civilization. They got close, but they ended up destroying themselves.
So now Attempt B, C, D or E. Whatever we're
at with this breakaway civilization, like, hey, we we we
give them some guidelines, we give them some rules, we
(01:35:49):
give them some suggestions to nudge them that before you
do something, you may want to stop and think about
the implication. So they gave a certain guidelines, and now
we are that experiment of that breakaway civilization to see
if we can join the greater community.
Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Plausible. I mean, I've often wondered if if there may
not be I mean, this kind of goes back to
maybe not necessarily in the same vein, but kind of
the whole idea behind the Last star Fighter. You know
that they basically released this game and then whoever beats
the game can save them. So I'm kind of wondering
(01:36:33):
if maybe the same thing's not happening for different reasons.
And it's kind of like I've wondered, if maybe that's
one of the reasons why they have focused so much
on our best and brightest, then why so many of
them wind up disappearing, never to be heard from again.
Speaker 10 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I mean, I know you guys over the years
have talked about people that have kind of magically disappeared
or you never heard from them again, or or once
again to bring up Britney spears.
Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Have gone bast shit crazy.
Speaker 10 (01:37:02):
You know, there's so many questions that we will never
know the answer to, and far too often a specific
group or government or both seem to have their hands
in it, and you just have to stop and ask why,
why are they doing this? What are they preventing us from?
Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
What are they guide trying to guide us in this direction?
That are where we're headed.
Speaker 10 (01:37:24):
It's frustrating because is it done too with good intentions
to protect us or is it done for nefarious reasons
to keep the few selected chosen from twenty twelve that
will get to go to another planet. There are so
many questions unfortunately that will revolve around the Breakaway Civilization
(01:37:46):
that I won't say it keeps me up at night,
but keeps from brain active because I try to look
for reasons. I try to look for answers, and this
one has an equal amount answers and equal amount questions. Well,
the problem with theories like this one is every question
you answer leads to more questions. It's just it's like
an never any thing because then it's like, okay, so,
(01:38:07):
so which one is it? Are we the breakaway civilization?
Or is the breaks the breakaway civilization being kept from
us for some reason, whether it's for for our good,
for theirs and with some and you know, going back
to you know, your whole idea of maybe the breakaway
as civilization is actually a prison of some kind, it
would exp it would it would track to a point
(01:38:30):
because the few supposed interactions we've had with these supposed
breakaway people that are inside Holloworth, et cetera, did not
go well for us, So it would track that there
may be some nefariousness going on. But again, my my
question with all of this is again going back to
(01:38:52):
Okham's razor, because I know that this has been and
I think this I think the same thing that you
brought up earlier, that somebody floated this idea to try
to tie all the pieces together of all the different
conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
But the problem that I have with that is lately,
how many conspiracy theories have turned out to be conspira facts.
I mean, it's happening over and over and over again.
And part of it, I think is because we have
gotten to the point where I think we take a
lot of it for granted because we don't feel like
there's been a lot of advancement, but there really has
(01:39:24):
because think about it for a second, we have more
computing power in our hands most of the time than
send people to the moon. You and me and Amish
are in complaint. I mean you and Amish are on
opposite coasts and I'm in the middle, and we're doing
a show in front of hundreds of people. So there
has been there has been some I think there are
(01:39:45):
some things that we've started taking for granted because since
there haven't been these quantum leaps, we don't really see
the refinement that's been happening with our own technologies. But
at the same time, it's just one of those things
where you know that we're is it that we're the
breakaway society or our or is our own government starting
(01:40:06):
to develop one? Because this goes back to the whole
you know, I said this day one, what the hell
do we need the space for Space Force four?
Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
The next thing we're going to find out is the
Stargate program. And everything that we've seen from the one
Ford is real and there's actual you know, people in
Air Force uniforms flying around the galaxy and going from
galaxy to galaxy. I mean it's here, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (01:40:29):
Here's the frightening part for me is you have an
individual like Elon Musk, who we both love and hate
at the same time. One of the greatest event and
inventions in twenty twenty four that may not get mentioned much.
Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Is community notes.
Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
This is just fantastic.
Speaker 10 (01:40:51):
The idea that a collective source of individuals across the
earth can fact check the a legend individuals who may
be in a breakaway civilization in real time and swiftly
is an absolute game changer too. When you when you
(01:41:12):
look at why do they attack Elon a lot of
the times it is based on X.
Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
And like I said, I don't need to rehash foot
already has been through with X. But X has its issues.
Speaker 10 (01:41:27):
But where else do you get someone who for years
has had unrestricted spewing of absolute bullshit? Taylor, I'm looking
at you. All of a sudden, you're getting presented against
them facts checks and balances, and that would absolutely scare
(01:41:47):
the but Jesus out of anyone who would be part
of a secret society, and if you are a part
of that, you would one lash out against it.
Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
And we're seeing that kind of in real time.
Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
To your point, on that too. And you know, one
of the things about I mean talking about community notes too,
is that it's you know it one the fact checker
is becoming completely apoplectic about their relevance diminishing rapidly, where
you know, when Facebook said, yeah, that was a mistake
and it's like, no, we matter. But yeah, it kind
(01:42:22):
of reminds me. And this kind of goes with you know,
podcasting now too, podcasting in general, but community notes specifically,
is it reminds me of a comment that Daisy made
in the first season of Agents of Shield when she
was talking about the rising tide, where the problems of
the world just seem insurmountable to one person. But you know,
one person has one percent of an idea. If you
(01:42:43):
get one hundred people with one percent of the idea together,
you've solved the problem. Yeah, And that's kind of community
notes when it's like, Okay, you know, I may not
have that direct answer at my fingertips, but somebody else does.
And then when you look at you know what they're
you know, replying, you know what they've put in the
community note, and then you're like, you know what, no,
(01:43:05):
that I remember that now? That tracks that that really happened.
And then you know, so the poster themselves is full
of shit. And what I like now with community, you know,
because that actually existed under Jack's Twitter, but it was
actually you know, the thumb was on the scales of that.
Now it's you know, with Twitter's monetization. If you get
noted and it gets put live, you don't get the
(01:43:27):
monetization for your uh yes, for your engagement farming with
that particular. So not only is it democratization of information
and facts, but it is also putative for spreading misinformation.
Speaker 10 (01:43:43):
Yes, and and that is that is the antidote to
any possibility of a breakaway civilization continuing, if there is one.
Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
So no, it's all right, I lost my train. I thought, anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
It's probably running by Al's house right now. Train. So
you know, I know that, you know, the main proponent
of this theory had you know, his idea of who
was behind it. So who do you think is behind
the breakaway civilization? Because obviously something like that requires a
(01:44:27):
level at least a startup until they can start to
sell their patents or whatever. Yeah, you know, you're kind
of like once again in an MB talking about how
they funded themselves through the release of alien So you
know who's who kickstarted who's behind it? I mean, if
you think, if you think about it, I mean, who
would form this because obviously, if it works, government didn't
(01:44:50):
have a fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
To do with it.
Speaker 10 (01:44:53):
My guess would be a general probably three or four star,
that was in command of something between nineteen forty seven
and nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
And just kick the can down to subordinates through the years.
Speaker 10 (01:45:12):
Well, the way I look at it, if you are
a species who for the longest time thinks you are
the center of the universe, and in nineteen forty seven
find an alien spacecraft with maybe two or three alien
bodies on it, and you find material that you takes
(01:45:33):
years to test and you don't know where it came from.
And then four years later you get the government to
pass a law saying anything found by the military and
others are now restricted. You would want to isolate as
many of those people and smartest and brightest minds of
your kind at that point and try to figure out
(01:45:53):
what to do from there on. And the worst part
of my thinking on the breakaway civilization is it was
one hundred, one hundred percent with good intentions, but we
all know what the road to hell.
Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Is paved with. Uh yes, Delaney and Delaney in the
chat with Admiral Berden, he set it up in Antarctica.
Yeah possible.
Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Yeah, Ow does that happen? Is greater than zero percent?
Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Rick? What do you think who would be behind it?
Speaker 11 (01:46:28):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Dude, I mean, there's so many different possibilities, based on
all the different things that we've talked about over the years.
I still firmly believe that in some aspects the Germans
might have been behind some of it. I still think
that may be the real reason behind Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
That's plausible. Yeah, Because I mean, this doesn't follow it,
This doesn't see I don't have an answer. I mean
this kind of I mean it doesn't. I mean, while
it is a you know, breakaway a civilization, it doesn't
feel like secret society is you know, it's not something
like Bildberg or you know, the Rothschilds or anything like that.
(01:47:09):
This is more of a you know what. It just
occurred to me while I was speaking right now, we're
basically talking about the premise behind the TV show Eureka
pretty much pretty much so in that case, in that
that was the that was the brainchild of Einstein. You said,
you're the best and brightest. You know, they need a
(01:47:30):
place where they can be untethered too, you know, and
solve the world's.
Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Problems and reinforce the need. Yeah, m so and yeah so,
and Einstein was part of which Sing again German operation period.
Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
M Didn't he come over before?
Speaker 8 (01:47:57):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Didn't he escape?
Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Technically he was. Technically he was, he was the precursor,
but he's who gave him the idea. Yeah, I was
gonna say I would say he was the main principal
behind it. He he was the prototype proper paper clip. Basically,
he's like, hey, this guy's working pretty good. We should
grab some mood of the Gulf's gold.
Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
You know what we didn't do this week, And now
that we got Jeff on here, we can ask him
to what, uh, what are you watching? Rick?
Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
What am I as ship? What am I watching? I
don't know. I've really I've haven't really been watching that much.
I mean, you know, I've been sick again, so I've
kind of been well, I guess that's not true.
Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
I have.
Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I did rewatch most of Chuck while I was down
for like the week because it was just one of
those things I kind of left on when I was dying.
I actually I keep forgetting how much I enjoy that
show until I start watching it. Even though it's completely
just the dumbest premise ever, it's a really good show,
except for season five. Just skip that one. What is
(01:49:08):
it with shows in season five? But yeah, so that,
and then there was something else that I started watching.
Oh damn it, it's a new show on I think, well,
the Rookie's back. So I watched the first couple of
episodes of that anything with Nathan Philly, and I'm I'm
gonna watch it. I don't care because ye did did.
(01:49:30):
Dude deserves so much better than he got from Firefly,
and Groc agrees with me. By the way, Groc and
I got in the big sci fi discussion last night,
even even he even he thinks Firefly was robbed, So
I should tell you something. But and then there's and
I can't remember the name of the show, but it's
been kind of interesting. So it's a it's it's a
(01:49:54):
higher IQ individual, but she's unable to interact well with society,
and she winds up accidentally solving a crime while she's
cleaning the police department. You're talking about it and then
gets out as a consultant. That's that's that's actually be
better than I expected it to be. I've been playing
catch up with that one because it's been out for
(01:50:15):
a while. But yeah, I think that's most everything lately,
because most of the stuff I like to watch is
going away. Really sad about lower Dicks at that show
wound up being one of my favorite Star Trek things
ever and now it's gone and I'm sad. Anyway, what
about you, Almish, What are you watching now?
Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I want to hear what Jeff's watching first.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
I just said it because otherwise you were gonna yell
at me.
Speaker 10 (01:50:42):
I have been watching a ship ton of Korean Japanese campers.
Thank you for turning me on to Soapberry or yeah,
I appreciate it. I love when the the first trap
quote unquote uh campers actually have equipment that they've used before.
That that is a a level of Okay, you got
my attention and my cleanex my lubrication.
Speaker 11 (01:51:05):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
You can tell their equipments while you used It's kind
of all right, So this is the real deal.
Speaker 10 (01:51:11):
This isn't just like, yeah, their equipments almost as used
as mine is watching them. The other thing, I've been
on a guilty pleasure this week, and I swear I
never hear anyone talk about how this is one of
(01:51:32):
the episodes is the greatest episode of TV in recent years,
and it was on Disney Plus. But I have been
rewatching the hell out of people reacting to Mandalorian season
two episodes five through eight, especially contimating with the appearance
of Luke again the last yes, watching people react, and
(01:52:00):
I've been deep diving into watching reviewers of people of
age forty and greater who most likely have.
Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Seen the originals at least in their youth. Watching these
people tear up, watching the the the Red Five land
onto the ship and and Cara done gone all great
one x wing and then seeing everything that follows and
(01:52:30):
seeing their reactions, you kind of gained faith in humanity again. Yeah,
you know that that meme?
Speaker 10 (01:52:40):
You know, girls in a time travel? You know, what
would they do or they don't? What the men cry about?
They cry about that, they cry about seeing Luke fucking
Skywalker again.
Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Okay, the the I have.
Speaker 10 (01:52:53):
I've just been rewatching some reaction channels to that because
it's so pure, it's so innocent. It's so oh my god,
I love something and here you ah my god, thank you,
thank you, and I look at it going. You know,
I like channels like Overlord, DVD and others, and they
(01:53:17):
just batch bash the ship out of new shows rightfully, rightfully,
don't get me wrong. But looking back at that just
something like, oh my god. It's been one of the
watching reaction channels. In the last month or so. It
has been my guilty pleasure because watching people even watch
(01:53:37):
something as something as simple as Buffy Vampire Buffy season
two and watching their.
Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Reaction to that. God, why is just Josh such a
fucking mess up?
Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Watching watching the person?
Speaker 10 (01:53:56):
Yeah, watching them these people rewatch season one, season two
and anticipating February from them to watch season three Buffy.
Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
I'm invested in seeing their reaction because it's you get
to relive your first experience watching them.
Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Yeah, that was like when we watched je Mutch now
fucking uh Jackie, Yeah, firefighting Insterenity, Yes, yeah, just.
Speaker 10 (01:54:20):
Seeing them joy it and you're seeing them getting the
same emotions even though they're God's probably twenty five years
younger than us. Seeing them experience for the first time
helps us relive those moments of oh my god, this
was such a great time to be alive, and and
and sitting there going, oh my god, fireflies coming on
in five minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Oh my god, we got it. We can't miss this.
Speaker 10 (01:54:41):
It's it's fun, it's entertaining. And I enjoy watching the Watchers.
Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Yeah, that's actually been one of his favorite things lately.
Greasey's getting big enough now that I can start to
start letting her watch some things. And I was watching
the the three parter, the animated version of the the
the comic book series where the where the world's basically
(01:55:11):
in the DC, in the DC universe, and she didn't
even She came in and started to mess with me,
and she's like, oh, you're watching Superheroes. Oh that's Superman.
That's my favorite. Sits down on the bed starts watching
it with set hours.
Speaker 10 (01:55:23):
I do gotta say, I gotta figure out do I
spend the time putting together a show on the Terror
of Morocco or do I let the fat Electrician do it.
Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I would do it. I mean I would.
Speaker 10 (01:55:43):
I would say do it, okay, because your your perspective
may not be quite the same as his. Yeah, Anti
Uni line, and I need to do I want to
do something about him because his story is fascinating, not
as much as you know meth Not once or you
know Semo. All right, but when he mentioned the terror
(01:56:03):
of Morocco in his latest video, I'm sitting there going fuck.
I thought I had had an insight secret on this one.
Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
There are no secrets, oh the ORDI.
Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
So okay. So Wednesday is back on Netflix, gearing up
for season two. So I didn't get to watch the
first time around.
Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
So I got to interrupt.
Speaker 10 (01:56:30):
Yeah, I got in it because you mentioned Netflix. Netflix
had one of the best Marvel shows ever.
Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
On Have you seen series?
Speaker 10 (01:56:41):
Have you seen the preview of the of the Disney
new coming Daredevil Born Again?
Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
I haven't yet.
Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
No, Oh my god, check it out. Okay, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Sorry, no, I'm gonna have to check that out because
I've been very disappointed at with the whole thing, because
you know, with the exception of fucking Iron Fist, those
are fantastic. Even Luke Cage didn't suck. Jessica Jones was
great too, anyway, Yeah, curse. So yeah, I started watching Wednesday.
(01:57:13):
I haven't finished The Pretender. I have this weird thing
with me that when I know, when I get into
the final season of a show, I really drag my
feet watching it because it's like I don't want that
experience to end. So it's like, rather than watching two
episodes three episodes a day, I'll go to like one
a week. So I saw them finished The Pretender and
(01:57:36):
just you know, having weird sleep schedules late, they'll throw
on some Deep Space nine or SG one just just
to help me fall asleep, so just for background noise.
But I've been just so that way, I don't get to,
you know, not where I can't pay attention to it.
I've been watching one episode of Wednesday and Night, and
(01:57:57):
that is a good show. I you know, it's kind
of I didn't want to like it, and really a
lot of the fans service they've put in and it's
just it's genuinely entertaining. So yeah, well done, Tim Burton,
especially sliding Christina Ricci in there in a way, so
(01:58:20):
you know, good, good nod back to your previous work.
Speaker 10 (01:58:23):
Oh god, Christina Ricci, I'll never ever ever forget that video.
She did it dressed up as Martitia.
Speaker 7 (01:58:34):
Or not.
Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
The video just a picture, No, the image is a fake.
Oh really, I thought she actually did it. Disappointed, I know,
I was disappointed even if she did. Even if it's
a fake, you know what.
Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Because it's she's in the classic Marticia Yeah, the look
the sixies.
Speaker 10 (01:58:51):
I am admittedly on solo from the latest Disney failure.
Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
I'm into that. Okay. Oh so, speaking of Wednesday, I
have to admit I didn't want to like it either.
The damn thing hooked me from like the opening, Yeah,
the very very like the very first thirty seconds of
the first episode. I'm like watching her do like, did
she really?
Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Did she really? Just what I'm in, I'm in and
lost the test I'm in. Yeah, no, no, it's it's
really well done. And Catherine Aida Jones looks fantastic. Yeah,
I get you know, I grew tired of her in
the nineties, so her.
Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
You know her, everyone's selling her as Hispanic when she's Welsh.
Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Yeah, and that whole Michael Douglas thing. So yeah, that's
what I'm watching. By the way, uh m d that
that's a great theory when what we were talking about
tonight too, uh, we're so good take also, so I
(02:00:05):
think okay, so, you know, to wrap it up, I mean,
what do you guys think plausible, likely or yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
Oh, I'm going with likely. I don't know which. I
don't know which version is the most likely, but likely.
Speaker 10 (02:00:24):
I'm going to go so out of bounds on this one,
and I'm gonna say confirmed.
Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Well, of course it's confirmed, you alien bastards. If anybody
knows it would be you. I now, I don't know
which one of the possibilities, but so many ring true
I have to say, yeah, mathematically the probability of it
(02:00:51):
being true against false tilt's true.
Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Well, and you know it doesn't have to be just one.
All three of them are equally likely. So I mean,
I'm me, I'm on the page that likely to confirmed
in at least two out of the three. You know
it's I mean, well, you know there's enough evidence to
(02:01:20):
say that, Yeah, aliens are absolutely here. Now are they
running a you know, crypto terrestrial program? I don't know. Yeah,
but the other two sure as fuck are yeah, Because
I mean, I mean, here's what happened to the c people.
You know, you have the civilization that comes in wipes
(02:01:42):
out the entire Mediterranean and then just vanishes.
Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Yes, you know you have.
Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
I mean, and you have a lot of civilizations like
that through time, you know, is they may just all
just you know, be hanging out in shangrolaw.
Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Yeah, And I just can't I can't stop wondering why
I had to go through so many IQ tests in elementary.
Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
School, especially when they just abruptly stopped doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Yes, yeah, that's just it. They don't do those anymore.
Speaker 10 (02:02:11):
No, no, no, And I remember the people taking the
test very vividly. They were not school administrators.
Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
No, that's because well, so, well the other thing is
so and you bringing up the pretender just made me
think of this. What if some of that IQ testing
was for private facilities? Like that's just another plausible Oh,
(02:02:44):
I'm telling you, there's just so many things. I mean
that this could spring into like fourteen different show topics. Yeah, yeah, good,
but yeah, we've already been going for two hours. In
my throat starting to get straty, so.
Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
Yeah, mine as well. I mean, we've all been sick recently,
so I think the fact that all three of us
could pull us off.
Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
Yeah, we definitely need to start having Jeff on for
these kind of topics more often, because you could, dude,
you could tell, you could tell how excited you were
about this from the beginning. This one's in my wheelhouse.
It's a very it's a very specific set of wheelhouse.
But you have it, sir, and you did well, all right,
(02:03:26):
folks Before I guess I started playing the outro, Jeff,
where can folks find you?
Speaker 10 (02:03:33):
I am hoping tomorrow, ironically, I really didn't plan all
this that much in advance. Uh, Tomorrow, I hope to
do an ITC about the theories of how civilizational on
Earth began through the eyes of different cultures of Earth's history.
Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
And then the next.
Speaker 10 (02:03:52):
Sunday thing again maybe maybe, yeah, a little bit, and
then next Sunday Lost wonder I'll be talking space and
science and going to touch on a subject I don't
think I've talked about on that show before, so that
should be interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
That's all we get on that one. Oh huh? Nice?
And where can folks follow along with you?
Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Sir?
Speaker 10 (02:04:17):
I'm at a cosmic bard on Twitter slash x because
since my name changed, I've gone up in views and
impressions by forty percent, So thank you all for that.
Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
Other than that, just here and everywhere, see, I don't
know how much of that was algorithm and how many
people were just like, yeah, Dud's a fucking stoner. I
don't want to hang out with him and praise the
power of Ann.
Speaker 10 (02:04:42):
By the way, merchandise available at taylorn dot com backslash store.
Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
Speaking of which, I'm mad about something because I was
gonna start are real. I was gonna real, I was
gonna start pushing, you know, cause Monday, for like the weekend,
I was gonna seriously push the you know, get your handmade,
sure what you can. Apparently the website says we're out
of stock. I'm at about that.
Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
What out of sock front on demand?
Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
It's not honorable. I was like, how is that even possible?
But yeah, anyway, and Amish, where can folks find you?
Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
This week? You can find me on rank coorse Steve's
rumble x feed right here on kaylor and Radio. Wednesday night,
you and I will be doing Rick and Lady if
we can get it together this week and Thursday, I'll
be on the Culture Shift with Brad and uh, busy
week for me? How about you? Rick? Where can people
(02:05:38):
not find you? All? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Well, for the short time, we're moving rails back to
Mondays because the Ladies of Red Wine won't be back
until mid February, so that there I will not be
hanging out with the guys on Tomorrow Night's panels, but
we're gonna do it on Monday instead. Also Monday, we
will be live streaming the the inauguration, and I'll so
(02:06:00):
I'll be live blogging. That's Monday, Yep, that's Monday, and
then I'll be live blogging with Twitchy while we're live
streaming the inauguration. And then Tuesday well, and then America
off the Rails. I haven't decided what time I'm gonna
start doing that yet, so I'll let folks know later.
And then Tuesday we do the daily starting on Tuesdays.
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(02:07:05):
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Through this out, Good afternoon, good morning, good eat, wherever
you might be. I am not Urt Bell, but I
am on half of the normal crew around here for
the Juxtaposition show, our every two week four into the weird,
the unusual, the unexplainable. I'm also joined by our very
(04:10):
cool Amish friend who does this show with me every
two weeks. And we also have a special guest this evening.
We've kidnapped an alien and he's with us here right now.
So Amus, I'm gonna start with you. How you been
man house things?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Uh? You know what I'm doing well? I'm uh, I'm
I'm doing well. Yeah, I could go into details, but
it's not I'm doing awesome. We haven't done this in
a fucking long time.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's been like I realized, we haven't done like an
actual live version of this thing in like two months.
I was starting to get notice this from my heart.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I missed out on the old panel on that one
panel show because I was out sick, and you know,
three weeks I'm just I've still got the cough. And
but yeah, fuck, I don't think I think we did
one episode after Juxtober together, and god, that's a long time.
So fuck it. We're here now't fuck it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We're doing it live.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But blame me.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, well, we usually do. We just don't usually
tell you we do. Think about it.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
I started working on the ITC Witches episode, which is
notoriously famed for really messing up jokes. You guys haven't
really done anything since I started talking and doing that show.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know what, I hadn't connected those dots yet. You
are a fucker you, you and your fuckery, You and
your fuckery.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, Jeff, for all to know, Uh, Jeff
did the theme song using Ai.
Speaker 11 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I liked it when you first dropped it on me.
Now I'll get it stuck in my head while I'm working.
I'll be driving in the truck to work and I'll
just have it rolling it. It's really just it's it's catchy,
it's gotten it, it's in my it's a brain worm. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:53):
I had funny it's writing the lyrics for it, and
then when AI spit out that, I was like, yes,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I'm glad I don't the only one who randomly
gets that song stuck in my head. I'll be like
working on a story and something, and all of a sudden,
I have the riff from the juxt theme in my head.
I was like, something is wrong with me, but apparently
it's not just me.
Speaker 10 (06:15):
Well it's funny because I have that witch with one
of my Witch's song We're the fire down below.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That one. Just yeah, I play that about every other day. See,
I don't have to play it. I just randomly stuck
in my head. So how are you?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Man?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
How are things?
Speaker 10 (06:33):
I would love to say great, they're not, but they're
getting better again. So one step in front of the other.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's a.
Speaker 10 (06:43):
Yeah, this will be a good mental wakening for me.
So I appreciate you guys that let me come on
to night. Of course, well it was your topic.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean you've floated the topic to me. You Rick
and I were talking about, you know, what are we
gonna do for this week? And then I said, well,
you know, Jeff hit me with this topics a lot
test come on. So I'm glad. I'm glad you pulled
it off.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I am too. I won't lie. I had forty pages
of notes for the show.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
At eight o'clock tonight, I thought I was going to
go an hour and a half to an hour and
forty minutes, so I wasn't sure if I was still
going to have a voice or not. But thankfully I
got it done in an hour, so we're good.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, that was a good show. You fired through that
content quick too.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That was.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Jeff did a a secret drop Top Secret, the old
tabletop game RPG Top Secret earlier tonight, And if you
remember playing that game, or if you weren't familiar with
the game, you got to go back and listen to
the show, because that game was a super cool RPG.
Speaker 10 (07:46):
It was so ahead of its time, and like I said,
you know, especially with shows like this the conspiratainment, that
game would be so perfect for nowaday Like it was
underappreciated I think the eighties, but now with all the
conspiracy fears, all all the drones, all the stuff that
you guys talk on a regular basis, that game would
(08:08):
be perfect for all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know, since it has been a minute since we've
done this, where the hell have all the drones gone?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh? They serve their purpose. But you know what I
was thinking about it when I was researching tonight's topic
totally in their wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I was kind of think of the same thing, but.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Like, yeah, how about you, Rick, How you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ah, Well, I'm headed into week three of this. I
don't even call it a man cold anymore. It's a
man plague because it never dies. But yeah, I'm headed
into week three of it. And every time I think
I'm shaking it, Like yesterday, I had a really good day.
I was able to get a lot of work done,
I got caught up on stuff around the house. I
was able to do a full show without feeling like
I was going to die. Got up this morning, felt
pretty good, made breakfast, and the next thing I know
(08:55):
was like, you let it hit you again. Then I
was like, you know what, I'm kind of sleepy. I'm
gonna take a nab. It was probably about eleven o'clock
and I was like and then next thing I know,
woke up and it was like four thirty, and I well,
actually I guess it was about four fifteen because you
texted me like a minute after I will go up,
going what do you want to talk about the day?
I'm like, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Yeah, I'm one week more of it, and I I
have either a really great day or a really bad
day where my energy I've been sleeping at work in
my vehicle to take a thirty minute power nap just
to get that little bit of a recharge to get
me through the day.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And it's been four weeks of that.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
It's like, oh, come one more, come on, please fix it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Boss makes a hundred, I make a buck. That's why
I crank my hog in the company truck on dred percent.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yep, that sounded dirty.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Anyway, I got myself coffee on that one.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So what topic did you decide to go?
Speaker 10 (09:56):
I know you said you went mine, but I actually
have two aspects of what I think we're talking about tonight.
So it's what a breakaway civilization?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, we're doing the breakaway civilization and we'll get into
what that is all about in a bit. But yeah,
one of the big you know, people who are detractors
of the breakaway civilization theory, you know, they'll point to,
you know, like scientists of San Dia or Fermi, who
(10:28):
will say, you know, it's our duty, you know, it's
in our charter to release technology. That's great. But the
thing is, there's there's a thing that not many people
know about, and it is the Invention Secrecy Act of
nineteen fifty one. And this was signed in This was
codified by on sign It was signed in the federal law.
(10:49):
What it does is it gives the government, you know,
because all patents have to go through the PTO, the
Patent Office and Trademark Office, So they go through there,
and anything that's listed under as an invention under a
certain criterion. I'll get take this in a minute. The government,
specifically military branches, all military branches, the d D, Homeland Security,
(11:11):
even the Department of Justice, Department of Energy, Department of Justice.
They can look at that patent and go, no, we're
going to, uh, you know, we're we're making this classified.
You can't talk about it, you can't file for patents,
and foreign countries under it you'll be charged for you know,
(11:33):
you'll get up to two years in prison for each
instance you talk about it. If you try to, you know,
patent in another country, you lose all rights to your
patent in the United States. And it comes up for
review every year. And the thing is you can't. You
can file an appeal, but like say, you know, the
Army says, no, you can't. You know, we're gonna we're
(11:54):
making that patent classified. You can file on appeal, but
you're you know, a piece of the patent office. You
appeal to the army, the ones who made the decision
to classify your invention. You know, they have first say
to go no. And this started in World War One
(12:15):
to kind of like keep people from inventing things that
would help the enemy or you know, yeah, something that
could fall into enemy hands. And it was it was
re up during World War two, and then in nineteen
fifty three they said, you know what, let's just nineteen
fifty two they said, you know what, let's just make
that permanent, and you're the list of things that that
(12:38):
can be classified. They fall into these categories. Amplifiers, recorders,
sensors or electronic tubes, computers, concealment, communications, countermeasures and counter countermeasures,
explosives and inflammables, explosive actuating methods like fuses and igniters,
mind sweeping for torpedoes, anything basically anything that has to
(13:01):
do with expose a new invention, and explosives or parts
of an explosive. Mapping, charting and geotagging, any patent under
that gets flagged. Meteorology that's weird. Military photography, I like
this one. Miscellaneous let's see missiles, munitions, and exposive devices,
(13:23):
navigation equipment, objects, locating methods and means, power supply and generation,
propulsion systems, propellants and fuels, protective measures, radiology, unique materials. Okay,
also unique devices, performance data and characteristics. So that's every patent,
vehicles and weapons and countermap weapons and fire control. Any
(13:45):
of these things can be looked at any of those
agencies I mentioned and they can go, yeah, we're classifying
that project. We're classifying that invention. And they can classify
it and definitely they review it every year and they
can say, no, that's still going to be classified. You know,
that's just like you who killed JFK. You know, they
just keep that, you know, re redacting that. It's estimated
(14:10):
that ten of the inventions that have to deal with
the military in some way, shape or form are classified
under this act. Now that comes from national laboratories, but
that's also from like Joe Blow who figures out a
new way to do I don't know, mapping or cartography,
or you know, a new type of bullet resistant material.
(14:34):
Any of that, any of it can be classified under
the UH the Invention Secrecy Act. So in a nutshell,
it really gives a backbone to the people who say
there's a lot of suppressed technology. When you go through
that list of things that can be suppressed, that's almost everything,
(14:54):
especially that for the miscellaneous.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Well, I have a couple of questions related to that,
and I know we are I think unfortunately, going to
tread on some uh politic lines on this episode. Sure,
do you know when this goes up for revote every
year or continuation?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Uh, it's no, it doesn't. I'm not exactly sure, but
it's you mean, when they review the list of things
that they've classified and said, yeah, that's going to remain classified. Yes,
I don't know if it's on the anniversary of the
patent filing or if it's just you know, at the
end of the budget year whatever, you know, whatever department
(15:35):
has you know, is holding those items on this list
saying yeah, these are still classified. You know, give it,
gives it to the PTO, and then the PTO notifies
the patent you know, the patent applicant, Yeah you're still classified.
Get fuck kickrocks.
Speaker 10 (15:47):
Okay, because where I'm going with this and just picking
up on this right now, the United States Space Force
when it was when it was created with not have
automatically been a part of this, but it is now right,
But what had been created to circumvent some things, to
(16:08):
make some things happen before it got added, you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Know, in light of what we're talking about tonight, I
could absolutely see that. I mean, not as a reason
for it being created, but as a happy sidebar.
Speaker 10 (16:20):
Yes, especially with the December twentieth of twenty nineteen, when
they were created, the new Congress probably wouldn't have waited,
you know, to re up and add things to it
until a couple of weeks months later. Right, I'm just
spitballing here, but I find that fascinating.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah that Yeah, No, it doesn't say exactly when these
are up for review, but the number of secrecy orders
has they estimate, it's estimated that there is a h
eleven to fifteen hundred patents that fall under that fall
under the classification process every year.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, that's crazy to think about, Rick, I'm still here.
I was just working on some other stuff. But no,
it's just I say that, Like I said, I didn't
realize that anything was I didn't realize that I didn't
(17:21):
even know this thing existed till you sent me the link.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that's like I said, when I was researching for
another topic, we were going to do that we kind
of shelved. That's when I came across this and just
kind of like wow, And then you know, it kind
of dovetails into the tonight's topic as well. But getting
into tonight's topic, Jeff, since you brought it to our attention,
why don't you kick it off? Tell us what it's
all about.
Speaker 10 (17:49):
I'm going to give this oversimplified version, and then I
guess we can go further into it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Sure see Breakaway Civilization.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
I will say this is one of my favorite theories
because it is not only in my mind, the most plausible,
because it has the widest reach. It is the idea
that either government or humankind or aliens have decided to
(18:18):
create another civilization, either here on Earth or depending on
how far you want to go into the civilization breakaway
another planet. And it really depends on Okay, are they
living underground or is it a secret society? Is it
like the movie twenty twelve where they're trying to build
enough gather enough intelligence smart people to fit on an
(18:40):
arcship that's not labeled Arcship B to go escape the
dangers of Earth there's so many aspects of this that
have the kernel of truth and probability that what we
witness every day is significant based on there is another
(19:03):
society doing, controlling and running everything, either here or remotely.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, so let's let's start there, right, because I mean,
there's so many different aspects of this, and almost everything
that we've touched on since we've done this particular program
all stems from kind of the same thing. E've been
going as far back as the crazy ass flatter theory.
One of these One of the things that they keep
talking about is how there are all these advanced civilizations
(19:30):
past the Arctic Wall that are basically you know, we're
either offshoots of them, they are offshoots of us one way,
one way.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Or the other.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But then there's just so many other parts of it,
like and then there's the whole you know, is there
an advanced civilization living inside of the hollow Earth? Are
there under sea bases? I mean, there's just so many
different aspects to this.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
And why why the sudden interest in Greenland? I mean, right,
you know, there there's a lot of Like I said,
there's a lot us so many different potentials here that
it's engaging from so many different levels, and even at
the basis level. And I know already I mentioned I'm
(20:10):
going to go ahead here with my my aspect of it,
which makes me really believe that to some level this
is more accurate than some some conspiracies. The three of
us are of a certain age. I won't say that
number because it hurts, especially in lights of some events
this week.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It hurts all of us.
Speaker 10 (20:32):
The do you do you remember in a galaxy far
far away, a long long time ago, where we entered
elementary school and routinely got tested.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
For i Q.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, Yeah, I mean that was you know that that
was kind of like one of the first you know,
after you got the Yellow math book. M h. Then
you know that was kind of like you're okay now,
we're you know, when you when you started getting an
actual problem solving than doing stuff I wrote, then then
they throw you in for IQ test.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was common.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, And if you.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
Happen to score a certain range, you were tested frequently
and often.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
At least I was.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Now I say this having grown up right outside of DC,
so we may have seen more direct impact than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, probably more than I did. In a ski area
in California.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
Yes, because I went growing up in elementary school where
I first went through K through five, I got tested
so often it was ridiculous. But or K through four,
when I went to fifth grade, I went to a
farming school. Even though in the same county, with the
same school district, they didn't do any of that, and
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they didn't have what I was a part of called
the gifted and Talented program. And when you research the
gift and Talented program of elementary schools in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You find out that.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
But it was first an idea as far back as
eighteen sixty eight. It didn't really stick. But it was
nineteen fifty eight, shortly after what seven years after the
Act that you talked about about the classification of materials
and everything else, the National Defense Education Act was passed,
which was the first large scale effort by the federal
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government and gifted education. Spurred by the Soviet Union's launch
of Sputneck in fifty seven, the Act aimed to identify
and educate students that were skilled in mathematic, science, and
foreign languages to bolster national security. Then in seventy two
you have the Marlind Report, officially known as the education
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of the Gifted and Talented that was issued. It provided
a formal federal definition of giftedness and encouraging schools to
define giftedness more broadly. Now, seventy two, when did the
moon landing stop?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah about yeah, seventy two said yeah, so it's also
all the Department of Education, And you know that was
seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But it was the forerunner.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
Now, this defined giftedness a little more broadly, included academic
and intellectual leadership, visual performing arts, athleticism, creativity and productive thinking,
and psychomotor ability. Then in eighty eight, the Jacob Javits
Gifted and Talented Students Education Act was passed, establishing grants
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for research and programs focused on under representative gifted populations.
Because the gifted and Talented in the early eighties got
a bad name because unfortunately it was mostly white kids
that seemed to be thrown into this this group because
of their IQ testing. So the IQ testing disappeared in
the in the early eighties, the Gifted and the Talent
program started having lack of funding.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So then the Jacob K.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Javits Acts started increasing the population of minorities.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Into the too. And it's kind of kind of stayed
in the back ground. But what greater way when public
education is mandatory for youths to find out who to
put away in a civilization that will quote unquote be
the embetterment of society unquote.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That whole process, you know, I mean, and you know,
that's basically you know, finding the Yeah, one of the
most common tropes in sci fi is that, oh my god,
you know, the world's about to end, so let's get
our best and bright us over to the alpha site
you drink starry. Yeah, But that's a trope and a
(24:48):
lot of sci fi too, So you know, it's kind
of like, you know with the whole continuation government, you know,
doomsday plan. But that's also you know, yeah, it's uh,
you know, get them all together. The ones who are borderline,
will send them off to get fucked with by mk Ultra.
But the rest of them, you know, the ones that
we know that we can work with, will bring that
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will bring them into the uh, bring them into the fold,
read them into you know, the society that they didn't
know about, you know, the civilization they didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
The and this is this is one of the aspects
I love about this conspiracy, is it does. It is
so easy to tie in things like mk Ultra, Britney Spears,
you know, all that stuff. It can all be tied
into there. Because you when you're building a secret society,
not that I would know, you have to have the
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diversion society, the ones that, oh, look over here, the
shiny object, the squirrel, because that will garner more attentions. Meanwhile,
you're doing this, this this behind the scenes. Some of
it maybe out a little more out in the open
than people realize, but it's a great way to hide
it in plain sight way.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well yeah, yeah, I mean that's and you know, I've
talked about one of the local features here, which is ah,
it's a invitation only well not really invitation only, but
it's a extraordinarily small college of twenty four people, and
(26:23):
they are the they are the brightest of the brightest.
You know, when you look at their alumni, it's sex State,
it's you know, Fermi Labs, it's just you know, the
top echement And this is I mean it's really remote
college and you know, it's really out in the middle
of nowhere. And but yeah, so that's absolutely you know
(26:45):
that that's a real world you know, something I can
look at when I drive past it and go probably
right there. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, so one of the things that I find interesting
because this actually kind of, at least in some respects,
ties into another topic that I kind of feel like
we don't spend enough time on you as far as
the whole you know, IQ testing, figuring out who's smarter,
all these things. I blame Operation paper Clip for a
lot of that because I kind of feel like eugenics
never actually died, It just came over here.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, right, no, And and you know, talking about
Operation paper Clip, you know that was you know, part
of this theory is secret space programs. And the secret
space program actually started under FDR where he wanted us
to focus on moving into space in case of a
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global cataclysmic event or the chance that you know, we
had lost World War two and you know, getting the
best and brought us out here to go, you know,
reseat American to somewhere else. You know it is of course,
you can't blame them for thinking big. They weren't looking
at the Moon or Mars. They were looking at your
home planet of Alpha Centauri. Yep. And you know they
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figured well that distance is too far. So in nineteen
forty five, Truman dialed it back a bit with Operation Paperclip,
bringing in all the German scientists and engineers.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know, then they started saying, okay, well let's look
at the moon and let's look at Mars. Yeah, because
those are close. You know, you got to walk before
you can run kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, And and.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
Operation paper Clip would make sense one for the fifty
one Act that you talked about and the Gifted and
Talented in fifty seven that I talked about. They're all
connected in that regard of.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
How do we build this UH.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
In one hand, we can call it secret society. On
the German side, they would call it an absolutely different
kind of society. But at its core, the progress and
the language is really similar.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well that I mean, going back to another topic that
we talked about years ago. Truman was absolutely convinced that
the Germans had knowledge of annie gravity. So that goes
into see one of the one of the things with
the UH, the breakaway civilization, is that they have access
to tech that we're not even familiar with, and they've
(29:19):
had access to it a long time. Anti gravity being
one of those free power being another one, a lot
of Teessel's inventions, you know, the broadcasting energy over you know,
through the air, his death ray, things like that. You know,
a lot of the suppressed technology. The reason why I
started with the Invention Secrecy Act is because a lot
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of you know, one of the things that the breakaway
civilizations rely on is advanced technology, because that's how they
have been able to break away and be independent and
unreliant on the larger civilization.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
Yeah, and as was agent k on men in Black
would say, they would occasionally release the advanced technology to
the public to help keep funding certain things like it intellectually,
you know, even if you discard the alien and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
UFO aspect of it. The breakaway civilization, God, I hate
saying it just makes so much sense. Well, the worst
part of it is it makes sense, and it also
proves we need them because they keep throwing us bones
are every so often. I mean, you know, where did
things like Velcrow come from? Because they kind of came
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out of the middle of nowhere. It's just like, all
of a sudden, we have this stuff that you can
basically it seals together and not in any way that
we knew before. But yeah, it just proves that it's
one of those things. And it's something that's been bugging
me for a while because and it's the same kind
of thing, because we have all of this technology and
all this knowledge, and nobody really knows where the hell
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that came from. It's just all of a sudden it
was available to us. So one there's only there's there's
two options. There's either some sort of extraterrestrial outside influence,
or there is some sort of influence that's been here
all along and is occasionally just throwing us a bone
to keep us distracted, or possibly both.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, you know, the term I discovered today during
when researching this is a term I had never actually
heard before, but it actually one I like it and
it kind of it kind of makes sense not only
with this, you know, because there's three classifications of it,
and that is a crypto terrestrial and you know that
(31:42):
kind of goes with the cryptid thing too, but it
falls under three categories. You've got the aliens who live
among us, you know, kind of like an MiB or Jeff.
You've got you've got an ancient civilization that didn't fall
with the rest of them. You know, you're at lant
Tis you're you're all of your great your your el Dorado,
(32:04):
you all your you know, Shangri Law, all the mythical
air quote mythical uh havens of technology and utopia that
exists in an island independent of us. And then you
have the third kind, and that is the elite, the
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super intelligent that you know what Jeff was talking about,
and that they have their secret societies and enclaves and
also have their own you know, it's they'll fly in
private jets for show. But it's rumored they have portal technology.
They have you know where they you know, you just
(32:46):
kind of like, you know, stargate from one room to another,
you know, and uh so, I mean that's kind of
that's kind of fun with that too. And they're not
individual you know, they're not mutually exclusive either. You know,
any of these three groups, if there's any of these
three groups can all intermingle and move with each other.
Because if you're at that height, that enhanced state, of course,
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you're going to be aware of some you know, you're
kind of like Neo once he figures out you know, yes,
you know that you know you can see you can
see the code and realize Okay, that's a battery, that's
a that's an agent kind of thing.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
Yeah, and would also it would explain so many things
either any of the really the three tiers that I
like to call the breakaway civilization has We often stop
and ponder how did something become so mainstream? Like I
know Rick has mentioned many times on the show, and
you've mentioned it as well. When did UFOs become accepted
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commonplace not a stigma. We seem to something seems to
be controlling the flow of information that Okay, all of
a sudden, this is is acceptable. Okay, you know twenty
years ago it was weird to see a transgendered person,
and now we're nothing but inundated with them, you know,
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as one aspect of society.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's like, why is that?
Speaker 10 (34:10):
It's like so many if you were I love the
game theory, if you were afraid someone broke away from
your society aka Elon and was about to reveal some
information is trying to break what you're doing, you would
throw every distraction and chaos into the system to protect
(34:32):
yourself that you possibly could. And it just yeah, like
I said to my brain, it just makes so much sense.
You look at the drones. Why were the drones sent
out that had all these weirdness but yet still followed
FAA lighting roles. Well, easiest explanation is they wanted us
(34:54):
to be distracted by something and to maybe demonstrate to
other people across the world who may be rising up
and going, hey, you know, we're kind of sick of
this this one world bullshit that Look, we have technology
that you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Why are we.
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Releasing the TikTok video or you know, not tiktalk but
tic tac. Sorry, different whole scenario there, but the tic
tac video that breaks all defiance of physics that we
understand it. These are just the little gentle reminders to
the leaves and most of earth that hey, we're better
(35:34):
than you, we know more than you, and pay attention
to us and respect our authority.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know, we were talking about it before the show
with the drones and you know, where did they go?
Because you know, we were talking about how we hadn't
done a show for a while, what else was going
on at that time that that was absolutely chewing the
news up for But it's sort it's not a rhetorical question.
I'm actually I'm trying to remember because ye worked. I
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forgot what the other thing going on at the time was.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, and well, just for the record, I really forget anything,
and yeah, I can't remember what what else, But.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
There was something political going on. I remember and uh
oh it was the Omnibus when they were trying to
pass that fifteen. Yeah, it's like so it's like, well,
all that was going on. Hey, guys, here's some drones.
Don't pay attention. Yeah, you know, don't pay what we're doing. Fuck,
they caught us.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Yeah, and you you guys have talked about this on
on a handful of episodes, about the Disney connection, the
Hollywood connection, that people are are masters of.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Distraction of look over here, look at this, look at that,
and it is so commonplace that I hate saying there
are puppet you puppet masters leading people around. But the
brickaway civilization, whether alien or not, really does demonstrate that
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this is at least feasible and and and makes it
understandable to a degree why we are seeing some of
the things we are.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know, this whole thing reminded me of while I
was researching it was the silence from doctor.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Who mm hm, that's a that's a good that's a
good takeaway that I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, because I mean you think, yeah, I mean even then,
you know, it's kind of like you a wife of
uh the okay, a wife of a man who I knew,
but his wife he had Q clearance and yeah, this
was back when X files was the thing, and he
would just comment and watch. She would tell me, he
(37:52):
would comment on watching the show, is that Chris Carter
knows somebody. And I have a feeling that Steven Moffatt
kind of knows somebody too, because they kind of always
hide those things in the show. And yeah, so it's
just kind of a I was just thinking about it.
It's like, Okay, so you have this, you have this
uh breakaway civilization that is kind of like the side
living in tunnels underneath the earth well.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And you guys have said for years on doing this
show that not to make you feel old or anything,
but Hollywood at times, we're coming up on six years
in April, so you can't really make us feel any older. Okay,
fair point, But Hollywood get so many things accurate at
times ahead of the time. And you know, there has been,
(38:38):
uh a supposition that maybe they are just releasing this
information to prep us for what's coming next, what's coming this?
And I have to say I've been ever since I
got my serious XM subscription, My my, my, Jeep, I've
been listening to a lot of Glenn Beck from nine
to twelve.
Speaker 10 (38:58):
And it's God, it's been what a decade since I've
listened to him regularly. But he's been talking about the
drones a lot, and some of the aspects of interdimensional
beings and quantum computing, and it's kind of fascinating, especially
(39:18):
coming from the computing world, what quantum computers can do
and theoretically are doing that. If a breakaway civilization had
this twenty twenty five years ago, which is feasible because
it's physics and it's all one hundred percent mathematically confirmed,
that they could have been doing this twenty to twenty
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five years and we're just now catching up because they've
been slowly reducing It makes you think what else is coming?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You know, it really is.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Computing, and in general, I mean basically computing. Modern computing
as we know it didn't really start until early nineties. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, we had our commer sixty is we
all had our two eighty sixes and shit like that.
But computing as we know it didn't really, I mean,
modern computing didn't really start until we were moving at
(40:10):
a blazing fast thirty three six yeah kill.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, dude, I remember when that seems so fast.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
Now we're pissed off if it takes more than a
minute to download fifteen gigabytes.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Oh my god, this download this fucking app is taking forever.
It is so much bloat where yeah so.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Would sign on the AOL then it doesn't download an
entire movie now.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Right, But I mean, so you think about it, that
wasn't even thirty years ago, and not much has changed
since then. I mean, I know that it's been talked
about in other shows, you know. I'm pretty sure Al
was talking about it this week too. I think it
was Al that was talking about it. That really nothing's
really changed in that time. So, I mean, we were
(40:58):
on this rapid climb of tech knowlogy and advancement, and
then all of a sudden, we've kind of peaked, yes
for now, you know, And it's like in a way
that we haven't peaked in a long time, and all
since the end of the Industrial Revolution, which tells me
that we're probably at the end of the technological revolution
and the next phase is coming, or we start regressing.
(41:19):
One of the two.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
One of the two I do. I do believe quantum
computing is. I won't lie to you.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
I am scared about it, only because I know from
the physics side of it, what it what it could
potentially do, and that scares the but Jesus out of me.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But just because all the all the publications downplay it. Yeah,
they're just like, yeah, it's not that cool. You know,
it's not going to make your gaming that much better. No,
you're right, it's not going to make my gaming that
much faster. But it's you know, it's it's awesome and
scary in other ways that you know, it's like, oh,
I can't wait to have You're not gonna have a
(41:59):
quantum on your desk. You're going to have quantum. You're
going to be attached, You're going to be network to
a quantum computer. And then that's going to be the yeah,
you know.
Speaker 10 (42:09):
And tying into the breakaway civilization and quantum computing. Part
of quantum computing, the theory goes that at the quantum level,
you can tap into multiverse and it would be the
easiest way to have a true breakaway civilization from all
the smart people that were born or created on Earth
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would to be living in a multiverse. They're living in
another version of ours that can traverse whichever one they
want to go in with whatever knowledge of whatever technology
they want. With quantum computing, if it can possibly pack
tap into that, because once again quantum physics does prove
to some level that that actually could exist. We are
(42:55):
looking at instead of a computer going through two point
five billion permittations one after another, we're looking at it
going two point five billion permittations.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
At once simultaneously. Yeah, multi threading becomes a joke.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yes, yes, so we I love my whole idea of this.
Speaker 10 (43:18):
This this episode with breakaway civilization is kind of a
a reinforcement of what you two have done over well.
As Rick said in April, six years of stuff, when
we went to the moon, why did we stop going
at The easiest answer is, do you know? It just
wasn't spectacular, it wasn't cost efficient. But I know one
(43:39):
of the things you talked about is we were told
not to anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, well what better.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Place to put a breakaway civilization?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And that and that and you know that kind of
goes with I mean, you know a little bit of
Richard Seahagland and uh some other you know, alternative theories,
you know, uh, conspiratatement, whatever you want to call it.
That most of the pictures of the dark side of
the moon you see are seem air brushed. Yes, the
(44:14):
resolution isn't as hot as you would on the light side.
And it's been positive that there's over two hundred structures
that have to be air brushed out every time someone
decides they want to take pictures of the dark side
of the moon. Yeah, and uh yeah, so yeah, I mean, no,
no better place again with the silence tunnels under the earth,
(44:36):
hollow Earth, yeah, even Antarctica, you know, and yeah, yeah,
Olgan's kind of made himself a joke, but it's still
he the some of his ideas was fine to mty
in the chat. Some of his some of his ideas,
I don't want to say they're sound, but they the
(45:00):
they're interesting to pause it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, and you know, even the.
Speaker 10 (45:04):
Worst people have a good idea or truth statement every
now and then. I won't mention his name, but you
could point to some really evil people that you can
sit there and go.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, they might have had a point on Issue seventy two,
had some pretty good ideas, right, yeah, yeah, you know
it's horrible to say it, but not every evil person
has a bad idea, or every stupid person has a
bad idea, unless you're me. Then it seems to reveal
itself every week.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
But it's.
Speaker 10 (45:40):
Yeah, what is really fascinating to me is it is
the naysayers on this is will say that the breakaway
civilization is to it. It explains too much of all
the scenarios. It's too much of an easy, easy bake
oven of Oh hey, I need to fit this conspiracy,
(46:02):
this conspiracy, this conspiracy and this conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
How do I make it all work?
Speaker 10 (46:06):
Right? But at the same time, isn't that kind of
Okham's razor? That is, it sounds more like Okham's razor.
I mean, think about this for a second though.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
If there is in fact an offshoot of human civilization,
whether it's spread out to the moon, under the Earth,
you know, wherever, what better way to hide from the stupid,
you know, the the redneck cousins than to portray yourself
(46:40):
as aliens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's no I I I do.
I tried like I said, a game theory. I think
a game theory so much my brain hurts at times
and I and I have to take breaks.
Speaker 10 (46:57):
You can you can look at some some benign things
if you want to conspiracy theory something. Why is Pluto
now not a planet?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, it's just been pretty much. I mean by doing that,
all intents and purposes just kind of took its Oh
that's just another Kuiper Belt object now, or you know,
it's the King of the Dwarf.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Don't don't look there.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
There's nothing to he here. It doesn't matter anymore. Speaking
of which, I just recently rewatched the episode of Atlantis
where Rodney was giving Nila grass tyson ship about Pluto.
I thought that was amazing mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But yeah, I know, I just and uh yeah, Jesus Christ, Jewel,
Saddie busting Neil uh Bill knives balls.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
That actually has become one of my sleeps now, it's
actually become one of my.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Als. An interesting theory in chat too, he says he
thinks the Breakaway Civilization is a version of anders game
where artistics geniuses are being used real time for assassinations
and starting wars. Well, they think they're playing the video game.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Funny thing is I was about to postulate the reverse.
What if there is not technically a breakaway civilization, but
we are actually not part of that civilization because we're
all in a computer outside of the actual civilization in
a simulation.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Well well yeah, not necessarily because not necessarily, because we
would still see that as a breakaway civilization from in here.
But it would also explain some of the things we
were just talking about, like the random drops of technological
upgrades that just appear.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And no, actually, right after, right after I dismissed it,
I said, now, wait a second. I was kind of
like that meme with the the woman nah and then wait,
you know.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
And in one of the articles you post the UFO
Digest one, there's a comment that that really sticks out
to me. With as far as the breakaway theory that
goes from the nineteen seventy three period up to nineteen
ninety one, there were, if I'm not mistaken, two hundred
and eighty one such anomalous events recorded by the DSP satellites.
(49:10):
The guy would go on and say, now, I'm not
saying that every one of these recorded anomalous events are
et craft, but a number of them are really bizarre.
For example, one that took place around nineteen eighty four,
recorded by satellite, showed an object that approached it to
within a certain very close distance and then moved away.
In fact, it approach from a point in deep space
and then moved on.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
We have such an.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
Open window where space travel was neanderthali ish, and it's
easy easy to explain. Oh, while you know, everything with
the American space race to get into the Moon was
was done at such a breakneck speed on chalkboards that
not everything was written down right everything?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, well, yk, you build a Saturn five day when
most of those were custom made, you know, here here,
here's the design. You know, here's the blueprints for it.
But we found out that one really didn't work. So
we took a hammer to this thing and you know,
bashed in a bit, you know, a couple of millimeters,
and then it works. So we just forgot to take
that notation.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, and and that is absolutely feasible. But the people
that were part of that program didn't die off, didn't
die out, No, well, I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Mean so recent I mean, one of my favors he
designed the second stage booster, the Saturn five. And you know,
he passed away about ten years. He was one of
my Thanksgiving feeders and but you know he has but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
The information was still accessible. No one wanted to assist it,
and the and and one of the easier ways to
explain it is this breakaway civilization said, don't.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Can't do any We can't build en F twenty two anymore. Yeah,
we can't. We can't build the kid anymore. You know.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
It's that's the part that always always entertains me, is
that the knowledge was never lost. So where did it go?
Why was it not pursued?
Speaker 10 (51:12):
Why was it not Why these guys and gals were
intelligent minds, why did they not write it down afterwards?
You know, even if they didn't have have you know,
specific all we hit it, hit it, hit this panel
seven times with a size three hammer, I get it,
but they would have had knowledge that, yeah, we had
(51:33):
to make some fine tune adjustments and it might you know,
we remember roughly in hammer and this and that.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
And to make this adjustment. So it's like, okay that
the bell on the rocket needs to be you know,
concave at the end you know, by a couple of
millimeters or a couple of centimeters. That's that's the kind
of thing. Is like, Okay, for the next rocket we build,
do this with it.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, and and.
Speaker 10 (51:59):
I I swear I am not making this up. What
really brought this to mine was a recent fat Electrician
video about about my hero and idol.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Semo Simo Simo. Hey, that's a real way, that's not
just doing I know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Right, this man who never tried to get his story
published wrote and recorded everything and it wasn't found until
twenty seventeen, right, So it just makes me wonder what
knowledge is still out there to be found by someone's
nephew or niece that oh, hey they did this, they
(52:42):
did that, or has it been purposely secluded and found
because they were working on a more top secretish project
than just your absolutely wonderful idea of killing comies.
Speaker 10 (52:55):
So, you know, is this information still accessible? Was it
taken into a civilization? You guys have mentioned Tesla, and
on that episode you talked about how everyone came in
and seemed to have rated his his apartment and everything
took all the notes. A breakaway civilization is the easiest
explanation of who took it and why we don't know
about it anymore?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, and you know, the other the other thing with
the breakaway civilization too is that you know it if
you look at the actual size of the US Defense
Department's black budget, it the dollars there don't even account
for the worst case scenario of everything that they every
(53:39):
project that is under their black budget, yes, costing more
than it. I mean, the black budget is huge compared
to what is actually being worked.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Onne.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
That can't all be going to R and D. That
can't all be going to covert operations. That can't all
be going to there, I mean, And the only thing
that really when you put a price tag on it,
The thing again Olkham's razor is oh yeah, there's a
secret space program. Only a space program could cost that much.
You wonder why we lost interest in you know, I
(54:12):
mean not just society, but it's why, you know, It's
like the thing with when you look at the you know,
the progression of military surveillance equipment. You go from the
YouTube to the SR seventy one to Spice satellites, you
have a linear path. You have nothing after the Shuttle program. Yeah,
they're talking about Artemis and that's fine and everything, but
(54:33):
we went from one to the next to the next
with only with only small gaps. You know, this has
been a very large gap with no space program. I mean,
for a while we were counting on the Russians to
get us into space, and now you we're paying an
autistic South African to do it.
Speaker 10 (54:53):
Right, right and now and now now we have these big,
gigantic metal arms catching rockets.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
We're catching rockets with chopsticks. We're Miyagi with flies, right, men?
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Do'll catch rocket with chopstick? Can do anything? Yeah, I
mean it's.
Speaker 10 (55:13):
I do find it hysterical that the understanding of rocketry
is advanced as it is, but spacecraft in itself, leaving
low Earth orbit seems to still be a struggle for us.
I do find that a little fascinating. But you know,
one of the things I love with this theory too
is and and I would love to talk about it
(55:33):
after a break is the highly specific alien aspect of
why would aliens participate with a breakaway civilization? What is
the benefits of an alien race? From say, Office Centauri
b that, why would we want to separate some of
these people from the the the everyday plebes, And what
(55:57):
would it benefit an alien civilization for having a breakaway
civilization here on Earth?
Speaker 2 (56:06):
We do believe you may again be the fifth race Odin.
I mean, I'm not saying no, but you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (56:16):
A lot of earthly explanation for breakaway civilization makes sense.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Why would aliens be a part of it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Well, that's one. That's that's something to positives. We go
into break real quick. Al made a good point too,
is I remember the Star Wars project. The only thing
keeping it from being real was geosynchronous orbit technology, the
same technology that we use a lot today.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
M h yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
It's not you know which It so blows my mind
that we didn't have geosinc arbit tech in the eighties,
reliable geosinc orbitech, Yeah, reliable.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe we did. They just didn't
want us to know.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh, that's just it.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
We probably did. All right, let's go ahead and take
a break. We didn't we see that we need We
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Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Mm hmmm huh. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
He was talking about a short that Terry Schapper was in. Yeah,
I haven't watched it yet. I've heard about it. I
haven't watched it yet, but anyway, apparently he from what
from what? From what I've seen, he played a much
more convincing man in black than Will Smith. But after
watching Will Smith, you know, bave like a bitch. That's
not surprising. Oh yeah, sorry, was that?
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My bad?
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But anyway, anyway, we're talking about breakaway civilizations and all
the different little handy things that come with it, and
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Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:07:28):
The first time I did it, I got his video
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Ooops, see you see what happened. Was The funny thing is,
I'm actually a lot of that stuff is starting to
go away, Like I've noticed on like Facebook. Now if
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to this music are. If this video makes any money,
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Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I would rather do that than just say get banned.
Let them get some of the profits, and we just
it looks like it maybe he wasn't.
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Maybe he wasn't, maybe he didn't come back from the
break well, so we'll see if he comes back in
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three times in his Internet crashed. Yeah. True, true.
Speaker 10 (01:08:21):
So one of the questions I had of our breakaway
theory is trying to understand an alien mindset. And I
know it's jokes. Aside with me being one, it is
a exercise and futility to try to understand an alien
brain properly, because they're not going to think like us necessarily.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Well, I mean, if you don't mind, I'm going to
stop you right there for a second, because just to
put this into perspective, look at how much difference in
how our minds work between Western civilization and Eastern civilization.
Now imagine that in a completely separate not not even
on the same evolutionary skill civilization, and imagine what the
(01:09:02):
disconnects would be. Yes, And.
Speaker 10 (01:09:06):
You know, there used to be an old improper saying
that Einstein had trouble remembering his own phone number, which
is absolutely asinine. But there are people, especially what we
know as autism now, who are high thinkers who may
have actually some form of telepathy and access to knowledge
we don't understand with people who are intelligent normally, if
(01:09:33):
you will, our understanding of intelligence, I still think is
rather juvenile in nature of what is needed, Like so
many people in quote unquote civilized cities who couldn't tell
you how to plant corn. We'll look at farmers as
being idiots, and yet the details that are required in
(01:09:56):
the intelligence of knowing crop rotation and soil consistency is
actually top tier, you know, intelligence when applied.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And I go back to this one story all the time.
This friend of mine, friend of the family was oh god,
he couldn't pass high school math.
Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
He failed high school. He had to go through try
to get his ged and he just could not do math.
And my friend and I we we would laugh at him,
not because he was stupid, but because we would say, no, dude,
you're actually very smart math wise. Because he was a
he was a carpenter, he was a builder. He could
(01:10:43):
look at things materials needed to build a wall, to
build a small hut, and no, instantly, okay, I need
this many four by fours, I need this much plywood,
I need this material, and he the numbers were one
hundred percent accurate, but he just couldn't write down the
math that he was doing in his head. So internally
(01:11:05):
he you could tell the dude was highly intellectual, but
because he couldn't put it on paper. He couldn't pass
high school. So the way we look at intelligence is
I think a universal problem. And to think about alien intelligence.
Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
One of the things one of the research papers and
link that you sent for the show was about Harvard
researchers propose odd theory could aliens walk among us? Well, A,
here I am, but being it's it's an interesting theory.
Speaker 10 (01:11:39):
Because what is alien? Is Stephen Hawking an alien compared
to a group of kindergarteners, I mean, besides him maybe
being sexually attracted to them, what is you know, the alien?
Would he be considered an alien? If you if someone
else came into the room and they say, oh, this
(01:12:01):
guy's in a wheelchair, can barely talk, and he's a
bunch of you know, six year olds are running around
doing things, putting blocks in the appropriate spot. You may
look at the six year olds as being more intelligent
than the guy in the wheelchair who can't speak and
do things.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, the whole all this stuff coming out about Howking
actually kind of broke my heart. He was always kind
of a nerdish hero of mine, and I was like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Really? I want the unreleased tapes on ndt. I know
they're out there. I know, I know they're out there.
I want to take that man down. It's a personal vendetta.
Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
He's just so fucking smug in the most annoying way possible.
I mean, I'm pretty fucking smug, and I look at him,
I go Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I mean, is he really smug or is it just
the the monotone, robotic voice that makes him seem that way?
Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Are you talking about Hawking or I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I don't know who we're talking about at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I miss we're talking about Tyson.
Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Oh yeah, never mind, but you no, Yeah, that dude.
I don't know. I don't even know why he's as
smug as he is. It's just, yeah, I don't get
it either.
Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I've seen some dirt on him, and not the
you know, the false sexual harassment, just the way that
he got his degree.
Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Yeah, shape, and if you ever saw his family on
the episode of Jeopardy, you'll hate him even more. But
trust me, you will cringe at his arrogance. Now the
question I have and welcome back Wardy, glad you could
come back and join us.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, no, my power flick just long enough to make
my PC reboot.
Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I hate, I hate when that happens. I want to.
Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
Because I'm biased, I know the answer. So I want
to ask you two, with a breakaway society, what relation
Why would aliens have anything to do with a breakaway
civilization involving people of Earth?
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Well, okay, so in my in my opinion, the reason
why they would would be that, I mean, this would
be you kind of like the you know that scene
in Closingcounts of the Third Kind at the end where
they had the people that were actually selected to go,
you know, as part of a you know, go and
be live with the ets, you know, kind of like
(01:14:32):
to impart our knowledge to them, and you know, you know,
it's kind of like the best of the best of
us were to go along with them to uh to
educate them, you know, just for a sharing of technology
and you know, cultural you to understand.
Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Each other better.
Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
And that's that's the only legitimate I mean, unless I mean, okay,
so I I'm kind of putting you know, human you know,
morals and uh yeahthos on h On an alien civilization.
(01:15:09):
But yeah, unless they are also the elites who are
just go, We're not dealing with the great unwashed on
your planet that they do spend a lot of time
being teasers. You're not going to deal with them, you know,
we're dealing you know, we need to deal with the
Secret Society because your your civilization just isn't ready for us,
which kind of goes along with every UFO theory there is,
(01:15:30):
so you know, that's you know, if there was a
breakaway civilization, that would be the that that would be
the legitimate one that I would see for you know,
interacting with aliens.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Okay, I mean maybe were there intergelect charity case my
my theory behind and oh god, I don't know what
show you guys are.
Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
I don't know if it was a Rick and Ordy
episode or not where you eventually turned around the Stargate
and Stargate universe. And my comment and chat about that
is I think what lies behind why aliens would be
involved in a breakaway civilization is you look at Stargate
SG one, You had Daniel Jackson in for a couple
(01:16:22):
of seasons, Jonas Quinn. They were the heart of that team.
If you look at other Stargate iterations, they're lacking that
heart and it shows they're still good entertaining shows, but
there's something missing. And then once again looking at SG one,
(01:16:44):
you look at the Asgard race and highly intelligent, very
you know, systematic A. They're looking for DNA replacement, which
makes sense, but you don't the way it is written
is they don't have that heart either. So are we
possibly unique in in in the universe where our heart
(01:17:05):
are conscious? Is enough of a difference that people would
be curious about us and want us to maybe help
instill And in a perverse way, there's a good chance
that by them having the quote unquote higher intelligence people,
they may actually be missing out on a lot of it,
which is why we see all these struggles day to day.
Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I mean that that that's you know, that's try oh
to uh. One question that was at the universe did
have Eli, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
He was, He's a heart but not not Jonas and Daniel.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I mean Eli was the heart and as much as
they tried to make McKay the heart of Atlantis and
it just didn't work. Yeah, But more so so, you know,
we we have to look at earthlings as what do
we bring at the table that would make a breakaway civilization?
And I do think.
Speaker 10 (01:18:09):
No, I'm sorry, I can't think of any other better word.
I do think the humanity of us make it an
interesting aspect for an outsider to come view us.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You know, but wouldn't the concept of a breakaway civilization preclude,
you know, eliminate the fact that you know, they would
be the ones with the heart, you know that, because
they're taking the elite when you look at the way government,
the military, dust show, entertainment complex worse, they're taking the
worst people who are the best at what they do.
Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And and if I may say, I think this is not.
Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
Yet and I think this is why the breakaway civilization
fails more times than it succeeds. And we needed distractions
because they don't understand the core. They don't understand the
mass of everyone else around them. So they're trying to
do all this stuff and occasionally we get hit with this,
this and this, and they're like, wait a minute, why
is this person able to see what we're doing?
Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Why are they going?
Speaker 10 (01:19:07):
Because they don't understand the human thought process, because they
are at a a different process of their way.
Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Right, it's you know what I want to mention when
we came back from the break or you know, unfortunately, right,
with my piece you mentioned, Yeah, I wanted to One
of the best explanations for the breakaway civilization, and this
kind of goes with that too, would be, you know,
one of the best ways to explain it would be
if you go back two hundred years and then you
were to take you know, a European and then just
(01:19:36):
drop them in the Amaz the two experiences, the two
world experiences, the way that they look at the world,
their technological differences use somebody from in the Amazon and
then somebody in Central Europe, you know, during the eighteen hundreds,
or you know in the eastern United States sur in
the eighteen hundreds. They don't they're not even on the
same playing field. Yes, you know, it's just they they don't.
(01:20:00):
They can't relate to each other. And to your point
that you were making, is that in that thing you have,
you know that in this case, the technologically advanced, you know,
people who are unable to relate to nature anymore. The
way that the Amazonian would be able to relate to nature,
(01:20:22):
and kind of the same thing is that they would
be unable to relate to just basic human thought processes
anymore because they are just they're so up there you know,
you know, to crass it up a little bit. They're
so up their own ass that they don't see what's
obvious to everyone. And when they do, like to your point,
when they do something that they quickly have to you know, obfuscate,
(01:20:47):
it's kind of like, well, this is you. You thought
you were being clever. This is just fucking obvious to everybody.
Speaker 10 (01:20:52):
And it's I'm going to use an X interaction like
a I think it was happening during Asgard North, but
it might have been after where you responded to someone
who doesn't believe the Satanic panic happened. It's like, it's
just completely foreign thought that people could have looked at
D and D or music as you know, Oh it's
(01:21:16):
a Satanic panic. The difference of eras and times and
thought processes there there on display every day if you
stop and take a look, and if you try to
expand it to an alien race who is absolutely I mean,
please forgive me for making this comparison, but I.
Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Think it's apt.
Speaker 10 (01:21:40):
Look at what's going on, unfortunately in your state, and
look at what's going on in the appellations.
Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
And how the two react to it.
Speaker 10 (01:21:51):
Right, those largely those two groups of individuals in the
same country, on the same planet. Their thought processes are
largely different, you know, at least as what we're being presented.
I'm sure they're a lot closer than I'm giving them
credit for here, but you understand what I'm talking about.
(01:22:13):
There's just enough thought processes between one coast and the
other depending on where you live, that the breakaway civilization
you could see where it would succeed because you are
trying to bring the brightest and smartest and whatever gifts
they do are do bringing, are recruited, and just the
(01:22:34):
people that are making it happen, making you know who.
You would look at that as you're like, oh, these
these people are stupid. But yet you're the ones, you know,
repairing their seventy eight forward pickup truck and are keeping
it running.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Right, they understand how seeds work?
Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 10 (01:22:57):
The breakaway civilization only works in my opinion, if you
embrace the totality of humankind. You can't have a breakaway
civilization with just one cog when when the watch needs
twenty four to operate?
Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Right, So it's my one?
Speaker 10 (01:23:18):
Oh God, I hope I don't get banned from a
newspaper for saying this. It's the one chink in the
armor that I have. I struggle with with the breakaway theory.
You know it, you would really anything intelligent enough to
understand that you need everything doesn't need a breakaway civilization.
Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
I'm pondering me too.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I'm like, no, it doesn't. You just drop some deepness. Yeah, no,
I just never really thought of it like that.
Speaker 10 (01:24:03):
But that said, I could see the US government trying
to do it because they fuck up everything, right.
Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
A government in general, any government.
Speaker 10 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I could see an alien race fucking it up
because they don't understand humanity and not understanding that. You know,
it's that that individual who just shows up every day,
does his job, plans those seeds, gets that truck running again.
It is more or equally important as the guy at
(01:24:34):
Harvard trying to understand quantum physics.
Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
On paper. You're gonna look at the guy doing the
quantum physics going, oh god, he's a genius. But so
is that other guy.
Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
And that is where I think we we we fail,
and a lot of people fail understanding the components of
breakaway civilization.
Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I'm going to really blow your mind here.
Speaker 10 (01:25:01):
The part so they eat more so, at one point
on Earth, we considered ourselves the center of the universe.
Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
What if right?
Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
We are true? We truly are. We are the breakaway
civilization that was put here for a purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
And you know, even twenty years ago that seemed likely.
But as we're getting better, you know, discovering exoplanets, we
still haven't found anything earthy. We've found Earth like, yes,
we've found Earth possible, but we haven't found anything earthy
(01:25:47):
and we found several thousand planets now, and uh, I
mean it, The odds of us being unique are.
Speaker 10 (01:25:59):
Slim, mathematically slim, but yes not yeah, you know, and
you try. You look at things like octopus, starfish that
that really don't follow a lot of other other scenarios
within the normal earth physics and and geology and everything
(01:26:19):
that just doesn't biology, that doesn't seem to fit one
hundred percent in the theory.
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
This is right.
Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
You know, what the hell is a duck build platypus?
I mean that, but you you look at it and go,
what makes the breakaway civilization plausible is not only can
we see it as something we would do, something an
alien race would would do, but you in totality, you
really could see us as us being that breakaway civilization
(01:26:49):
that is as meant as the great experiment, the great Okay,
this is the the the fish bowl that makes everything work,
and maybe we're under utilizing that aspect of our civilization
that we're not breaking away until recently where we're starting
to get over into that the platinum age of discovery,
we're getting into the quantum computing, we're getting into the
(01:27:13):
idea of actually landing a ship on Mars and bringing
people back home is now just not some sci fi
on a bad TV series.
Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
It's now, for the first time, legitimate.
Speaker 10 (01:27:26):
We could have been that Petri dish of a breakaway
civilization from someone else, whether it be from the Wang
family farm on Mars.
Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Well, believe it or not, this goes This is a
callback to I think second third or fourth episode of
Juxtaposition when we talked about the Hollow Moon and how
their theory is that it might actually be a spaceship
that was used to bring us here. But in the
vein of us potentially being the breakaway society, who says
(01:27:57):
that this isn't the second, third, fourth, fifty six, three,
even millions time that we've reached this level of technology
and this is usually right about the time we screw
something up and everything gets reset and we start over. Yes,
it was.
Speaker 10 (01:28:12):
Oh god, was it Carl Sagan who said the most
likely outcome of human civilization is destruction because we don't
know how to utilize the tools at our hand.
Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
It's why we'll never I think, Yeah, I think that
was in the small blue dot.
Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's why you know many
people suggesting the kardashef scale will never hit one, We'll
never hit the first here because humanity is doomed to
repeat itself and fail because we seem to advance further
in our technological skill than our ability to understand the downsides.
(01:28:55):
And we see it every day. I mean, I know
it's a small chasm of society, but you look at
X and some of the some of the things that
people post on X, like the President can all of
a sudden say that the twenty eighth Amendment is actually
law now even though it's and you have you have
(01:29:16):
people of alleged intelligence going, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
He's right, he's right.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
You know he's right, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
What the fucking people with great check marks are like? Yes,
I'm like, are you kidding me.
Speaker 11 (01:29:28):
Yeah, So, so.
Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
That's one of the reasons I love the Kardashev scale
as well, because any society that can get past one
probably would never be visited or seen by anyone under
the scale of one. So now the question is that
are there out there are they would would they entertain it?
Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Would they you know, would they.
Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
Pull away the people to try to try to get
other civilizations to that one cardiship scale by utilizing a
break excuse me, breakaway civilization that could help that planet
get to that point?
Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
And it's yeah, well so just you know, in this
same thought process, you know, you had asked the reason
of why they why they might want to interact with us,
But I think you may have just started formulating an
answer to your own question. What if it's not that
we have wiped ourselves out repeatedly? What if we've reached
a significant enough advancement point that the people that have
(01:30:36):
reached that have been removed, Because what if we're like
some sort of galactic laboratory. It would explain so many things,
like all the weird animals that make no sense and
just just.
Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Kind of like the first ones in Babylon five. Yeah, yes,
they evolved so far out that they just kind of okay,
you know, we're you know, we're going to go out
to the fringe and you know, y'all do your you
do your thing. We're out here, you know, contemplating our
own magnificence, and.
Speaker 10 (01:31:08):
I'm going to introduce a completely new theory. It just
came to my brain, what if the Breakaway Civilization is
a prison for people that would interfere with our becoming
a Kardaschef one scale, because the people that they are
getting rid of don't understand ethics and morals. Well, on
(01:31:30):
the other end of that too, basically saying that the
Breakaway Civilization is our version of the Phantom Zone.
Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yes, hmmm, see that, you know, Okay, that reminds me
of it was either an outer limits or you know,
when they redid the Twilight Zone in the mid to
late ninete eighties, there was an episode where, you know,
it's the parents kept outing the kid go out and play,
go out and play, have fun, and he's like, no,
you know, because there's apparently this big test that everybody
(01:31:58):
in society has to take, and it was like, you know,
and he's like, no, I really want to study for
this test, it's important to do well. And you know,
the parents kept trying to say, no, just you know,
go out, have a good time, You'll do fine on
the tests. And it comes to the end of it that, yeah,
the parents receive notification from the powers that be, the
government whatever it was saying, uh, you know, your son
(01:32:20):
passed the test, so he received he achieved a score
blah blah blah blah blah. Where would you like his
remain sin where if you scored too high, they just
took you out.
Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Yeah, you know, to go with your theory, So it
got it's kind of like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Okay, So yeah, the breakaway society is a prison to
isolate them because they are going to disrupt society and
civilization with it. Like Tesla. You know, you know, if
he had had the money to do the things he
had wanted to do, he absolutely would have disrupted the
(01:32:56):
status quo for the better. In many cases except for
that fucking death ray.
Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I could see some benefits to to the death ray.
Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
And you know, well, yeah, I mean that was definitely
a mad that was mutually a sure destruction. But also
his earthquake machine. Yeah that one, yeah, that one, well,
I mean that was unintentional. He wanted it to do
something else, and then he almost shook the building apart.
So I got the name of earthquake machine because when
the police arrived, he said, no, it must have just
(01:33:26):
been a very localizer earthquake.
Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yes, And al Al has just interjected the Star Trek
four theory.
Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
What if?
Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Yes, what if none of this is actually about us
as a human.
Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
But if it's the whales or the dolphins or you know,
pretty bitchhikers, the mice, you know, and and we can
expand looking at it from this angle, the breakaway theory
Or did I mention I really like this theory?
Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Yeah? Yeah, only so you dropped it on me the
other day. You I could tell, You're like, oh, you
guys should really do the sometime. And you know, it's
like I was looking at some of the material we had,
you know, we hadn't used it. I'm okay, well that's
Christmas stuff, and there's the lost technology. And then I'm like,
you know what, fuck it, let's ship it. We'll send it.
And then I'm like, I said, you know, this falls
(01:34:14):
into the lost technology. So this could actually be a
start of you know, devetail this into the last here
the forbidden.
Speaker 10 (01:34:20):
Absolutely and and and if you take the reverse breakaway
civilization that.
Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
We are it.
Speaker 10 (01:34:30):
And we've been it for a very very long time.
And to Rick's point, what if this isn't the first attempt.
Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
When you look at that, then no, I.
Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Was gonna say, that goes with the you know, the
ancient civilizations didn't disappear, Yes, they just secluded themselves. Yeah,
what if that goes that goes with the whole like
I said, shangle on and yeah, not so much in Atlantis,
but you know the you know El Dorado and so
on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
What if Attempt one fail.
Speaker 10 (01:35:06):
And they realized what they were missing, so attempt to
took place, and they said, you know what, we there's
like seven continents, there's going to be a whole bunch
of people. What if we put oh, I don't know,
six seven, eight, nine religions out there to try to
guide people, to to give them an implant of moral
and ethics. Because what we found we noticed in an
(01:35:29):
attempt A was the self serving side of humanity of
the civilization. They got close, but they ended up destroying themselves.
So now Attempt B, C, D or E. Whatever we're
at with this breakaway civilization, like, hey, we we we
give them some guidelines, we give them some rules, we
(01:35:49):
give them some suggestions to nudge them that before you
do something, you may want to stop and think about
the implication. So they gave a certain guidelines, and now
we are that experiment of that breakaway civilization to see
if we can join the greater community.
Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Plausible. I mean, I've often wondered if if there may
not be I mean, this kind of goes back to
maybe not necessarily in the same vein, but kind of
the whole idea behind the Last star Fighter. You know
that they basically released this game and then whoever beats
the game can save them. So I'm kind of wondering
(01:36:33):
if maybe the same thing's not happening for different reasons.
And it's kind of like I've wondered, if maybe that's
one of the reasons why they have focused so much
on our best and brightest, then why so many of
them wind up disappearing, never to be heard from again.
Speaker 10 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I mean, I know you guys over the years
have talked about people that have kind of magically disappeared
or you never heard from them again, or or once
again to bring up Britney spears.
Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Have gone bast shit crazy.
Speaker 10 (01:37:02):
You know, there's so many questions that we will never
know the answer to, and far too often a specific
group or government or both seem to have their hands
in it, and you just have to stop and ask why,
why are they doing this? What are they preventing us from?
Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
What are they guide trying to guide us in this direction?
That are where we're headed.
Speaker 10 (01:37:24):
It's frustrating because is it done too with good intentions
to protect us or is it done for nefarious reasons
to keep the few selected chosen from twenty twelve that
will get to go to another planet. There are so
many questions unfortunately that will revolve around the Breakaway Civilization
(01:37:46):
that I won't say it keeps me up at night,
but keeps from brain active because I try to look
for reasons. I try to look for answers, and this
one has an equal amount answers and equal amount questions. Well,
the problem with theories like this one is every question
you answer leads to more questions. It's just it's like
an never any thing because then it's like, okay, so,
(01:38:07):
so which one is it? Are we the breakaway civilization?
Or is the breaks the breakaway civilization being kept from
us for some reason, whether it's for for our good,
for theirs and with some and you know, going back
to you know, your whole idea of maybe the breakaway
as civilization is actually a prison of some kind, it
would exp it would it would track to a point
(01:38:30):
because the few supposed interactions we've had with these supposed
breakaway people that are inside Holloworth, et cetera, did not
go well for us, So it would track that there
may be some nefariousness going on. But again, my my
question with all of this is again going back to
(01:38:52):
Okham's razor, because I know that this has been and
I think this I think the same thing that you
brought up earlier, that somebody floated this idea to try
to tie all the pieces together of all the different
conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
But the problem that I have with that is lately,
how many conspiracy theories have turned out to be conspira facts.
I mean, it's happening over and over and over again.
And part of it, I think is because we have
gotten to the point where I think we take a
lot of it for granted because we don't feel like
there's been a lot of advancement, but there really has
(01:39:24):
because think about it for a second, we have more
computing power in our hands most of the time than
send people to the moon. You and me and Amish
are in complaint. I mean you and Amish are on
opposite coasts and I'm in the middle, and we're doing
a show in front of hundreds of people. So there
has been there has been some I think there are
(01:39:45):
some things that we've started taking for granted because since
there haven't been these quantum leaps, we don't really see
the refinement that's been happening with our own technologies. But
at the same time, it's just one of those things
where you know that we're is it that we're the
breakaway society or our or is our own government starting
(01:40:06):
to develop one? Because this goes back to the whole
you know, I said this day one, what the hell
do we need the space for Space Force four?
Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
The next thing we're going to find out is the
Stargate program. And everything that we've seen from the one
Ford is real and there's actual you know, people in
Air Force uniforms flying around the galaxy and going from
galaxy to galaxy. I mean it's here, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (01:40:29):
Here's the frightening part for me is you have an
individual like Elon Musk, who we both love and hate
at the same time. One of the greatest event and
inventions in twenty twenty four that may not get mentioned much.
Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Is community notes.
Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
This is just fantastic.
Speaker 10 (01:40:51):
The idea that a collective source of individuals across the
earth can fact check the a legend individuals who may
be in a breakaway civilization in real time and swiftly
is an absolute game changer too. When you when you
(01:41:12):
look at why do they attack Elon a lot of
the times it is based on X.
Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
And like I said, I don't need to rehash foot
already has been through with X. But X has its issues.
Speaker 10 (01:41:27):
But where else do you get someone who for years
has had unrestricted spewing of absolute bullshit? Taylor, I'm looking
at you. All of a sudden, you're getting presented against
them facts checks and balances, and that would absolutely scare
(01:41:47):
the but Jesus out of anyone who would be part
of a secret society, and if you are a part
of that, you would one lash out against it.
Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
And we're seeing that kind of in real time.
Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
To your point, on that too. And you know, one
of the things about I mean talking about community notes too,
is that it's you know it one the fact checker
is becoming completely apoplectic about their relevance diminishing rapidly, where
you know, when Facebook said, yeah, that was a mistake
and it's like, no, we matter. But yeah, it kind
(01:42:22):
of reminds me. And this kind of goes with you know,
podcasting now too, podcasting in general, but community notes specifically,
is it reminds me of a comment that Daisy made
in the first season of Agents of Shield when she
was talking about the rising tide, where the problems of
the world just seem insurmountable to one person. But you know,
one person has one percent of an idea. If you
(01:42:43):
get one hundred people with one percent of the idea together,
you've solved the problem. Yeah, And that's kind of community
notes when it's like, Okay, you know, I may not
have that direct answer at my fingertips, but somebody else does.
And then when you look at you know what they're
you know, replying, you know what they've put in the
community note, and then you're like, you know what, no,
(01:43:05):
that I remember that now? That tracks that that really happened.
And then you know, so the poster themselves is full
of shit. And what I like now with community, you know,
because that actually existed under Jack's Twitter, but it was
actually you know, the thumb was on the scales of that.
Now it's you know, with Twitter's monetization. If you get
noted and it gets put live, you don't get the
(01:43:27):
monetization for your uh yes, for your engagement farming with
that particular. So not only is it democratization of information
and facts, but it is also putative for spreading misinformation.
Speaker 10 (01:43:43):
Yes, and and that is that is the antidote to
any possibility of a breakaway civilization continuing, if there is one.
Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
So no, it's all right, I lost my train. I thought, anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
It's probably running by Al's house right now. Train. So
you know, I know that, you know, the main proponent
of this theory had you know, his idea of who
was behind it. So who do you think is behind
the breakaway civilization? Because obviously something like that requires a
(01:44:27):
level at least a startup until they can start to
sell their patents or whatever. Yeah, you know, you're kind
of like once again in an MB talking about how
they funded themselves through the release of alien So you
know who's who kickstarted who's behind it? I mean, if
you think, if you think about it, I mean, who
would form this because obviously, if it works, government didn't
(01:44:50):
have a fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
To do with it.
Speaker 10 (01:44:53):
My guess would be a general probably three or four star,
that was in command of something between nineteen forty seven
and nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
And just kick the can down to subordinates through the years.
Speaker 10 (01:45:12):
Well, the way I look at it, if you are
a species who for the longest time thinks you are
the center of the universe, and in nineteen forty seven
find an alien spacecraft with maybe two or three alien
bodies on it, and you find material that you takes
(01:45:33):
years to test and you don't know where it came from.
And then four years later you get the government to
pass a law saying anything found by the military and
others are now restricted. You would want to isolate as
many of those people and smartest and brightest minds of
your kind at that point and try to figure out
(01:45:53):
what to do from there on. And the worst part
of my thinking on the breakaway civilization is it was
one hundred, one hundred percent with good intentions, but we
all know what the road to hell.
Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Is paved with. Uh yes, Delaney and Delaney in the
chat with Admiral Berden, he set it up in Antarctica.
Yeah possible.
Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Yeah, Ow does that happen? Is greater than zero percent?
Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Rick? What do you think who would be behind it?
Speaker 11 (01:46:28):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Dude, I mean, there's so many different possibilities, based on
all the different things that we've talked about over the years.
I still firmly believe that in some aspects the Germans
might have been behind some of it. I still think
that may be the real reason behind Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
That's plausible. Yeah, Because I mean, this doesn't follow it,
This doesn't see I don't have an answer. I mean
this kind of I mean it doesn't. I mean, while
it is a you know, breakaway a civilization, it doesn't
feel like secret society is you know, it's not something
like Bildberg or you know, the Rothschilds or anything like that.
(01:47:09):
This is more of a you know what. It just
occurred to me while I was speaking right now, we're
basically talking about the premise behind the TV show Eureka
pretty much pretty much so in that case, in that
that was the that was the brainchild of Einstein. You said,
you're the best and brightest. You know, they need a
(01:47:30):
place where they can be untethered too, you know, and
solve the world's.
Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Problems and reinforce the need. Yeah, m so and yeah so,
and Einstein was part of which Sing again German operation period.
Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
M Didn't he come over before?
Speaker 8 (01:47:57):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Didn't he escape?
Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Technically he was. Technically he was, he was the precursor,
but he's who gave him the idea. Yeah, I was
gonna say I would say he was the main principal
behind it. He he was the prototype proper paper clip. Basically,
he's like, hey, this guy's working pretty good. We should
grab some mood of the Gulf's gold.
Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
You know what we didn't do this week, And now
that we got Jeff on here, we can ask him
to what, uh, what are you watching? Rick?
Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
What am I as ship? What am I watching? I
don't know. I've really I've haven't really been watching that much.
I mean, you know, I've been sick again, so I've
kind of been well, I guess that's not true.
Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
I have.
Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I did rewatch most of Chuck while I was down
for like the week because it was just one of
those things I kind of left on when I was dying.
I actually I keep forgetting how much I enjoy that
show until I start watching it. Even though it's completely
just the dumbest premise ever, it's a really good show,
except for season five. Just skip that one. What is
(01:49:08):
it with shows in season five? But yeah, so that,
and then there was something else that I started watching.
Oh damn it, it's a new show on I think, well,
the Rookie's back. So I watched the first couple of
episodes of that anything with Nathan Philly, and I'm I'm
gonna watch it. I don't care because ye did did.
(01:49:30):
Dude deserves so much better than he got from Firefly,
and Groc agrees with me. By the way, Groc and
I got in the big sci fi discussion last night,
even even he even he thinks Firefly was robbed, So
I should tell you something. But and then there's and
I can't remember the name of the show, but it's
been kind of interesting. So it's a it's it's a
(01:49:54):
higher IQ individual, but she's unable to interact well with society,
and she winds up accidentally solving a crime while she's
cleaning the police department. You're talking about it and then
gets out as a consultant. That's that's that's actually be
better than I expected it to be. I've been playing
catch up with that one because it's been out for
(01:50:15):
a while. But yeah, I think that's most everything lately,
because most of the stuff I like to watch is
going away. Really sad about lower Dicks at that show
wound up being one of my favorite Star Trek things
ever and now it's gone and I'm sad. Anyway, what
about you, Almish, What are you watching now?
Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I want to hear what Jeff's watching first.
Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
I just said it because otherwise you were gonna yell
at me.
Speaker 10 (01:50:42):
I have been watching a ship ton of Korean Japanese campers.
Thank you for turning me on to Soapberry or yeah,
I appreciate it. I love when the the first trap
quote unquote uh campers actually have equipment that they've used before.
That that is a a level of Okay, you got
my attention and my cleanex my lubrication.
Speaker 11 (01:51:05):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
You can tell their equipments while you used It's kind
of all right, So this is the real deal.
Speaker 10 (01:51:11):
This isn't just like, yeah, their equipments almost as used
as mine is watching them. The other thing, I've been
on a guilty pleasure this week, and I swear I
never hear anyone talk about how this is one of
(01:51:32):
the episodes is the greatest episode of TV in recent years,
and it was on Disney Plus. But I have been
rewatching the hell out of people reacting to Mandalorian season
two episodes five through eight, especially contimating with the appearance
of Luke again the last yes, watching people react, and
(01:52:00):
I've been deep diving into watching reviewers of people of
age forty and greater who most likely have.
Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Seen the originals at least in their youth. Watching these
people tear up, watching the the the Red Five land
onto the ship and and Cara done gone all great
one x wing and then seeing everything that follows and
(01:52:30):
seeing their reactions, you kind of gained faith in humanity again. Yeah,
you know that that meme?
Speaker 10 (01:52:40):
You know, girls in a time travel? You know, what
would they do or they don't? What the men cry about?
They cry about that, they cry about seeing Luke fucking
Skywalker again.
Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Okay, the the I have.
Speaker 10 (01:52:53):
I've just been rewatching some reaction channels to that because
it's so pure, it's so innocent. It's so oh my god,
I love something and here you ah my god, thank you,
thank you, and I look at it going. You know,
I like channels like Overlord, DVD and others, and they
(01:53:17):
just batch bash the ship out of new shows rightfully, rightfully,
don't get me wrong. But looking back at that just
something like, oh my god. It's been one of the
watching reaction channels. In the last month or so. It
has been my guilty pleasure because watching people even watch
(01:53:37):
something as something as simple as Buffy Vampire Buffy season
two and watching their.
Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Reaction to that. God, why is just Josh such a
fucking mess up?
Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Watching watching the person?
Speaker 10 (01:53:56):
Yeah, watching them these people rewatch season one, season two
and anticipating February from them to watch season three Buffy.
Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
I'm invested in seeing their reaction because it's you get
to relive your first experience watching them.
Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Yeah, that was like when we watched je Mutch now
fucking uh Jackie, Yeah, firefighting Insterenity, Yes, yeah, just.
Speaker 10 (01:54:20):
Seeing them joy it and you're seeing them getting the
same emotions even though they're God's probably twenty five years
younger than us. Seeing them experience for the first time
helps us relive those moments of oh my god, this
was such a great time to be alive, and and
and sitting there going, oh my god, fireflies coming on
in five minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Oh my god, we got it. We can't miss this.
Speaker 10 (01:54:41):
It's it's fun, it's entertaining. And I enjoy watching the Watchers.
Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Yeah, that's actually been one of his favorite things lately.
Greasey's getting big enough now that I can start to
start letting her watch some things. And I was watching
the the three parter, the animated version of the the
the comic book series where the where the world's basically
(01:55:11):
in the DC, in the DC universe, and she didn't
even She came in and started to mess with me,
and she's like, oh, you're watching Superheroes. Oh that's Superman.
That's my favorite. Sits down on the bed starts watching
it with set hours.
Speaker 10 (01:55:23):
I do gotta say, I gotta figure out do I
spend the time putting together a show on the Terror
of Morocco or do I let the fat Electrician do it.
Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I would do it. I mean I would.
Speaker 10 (01:55:43):
I would say do it, okay, because your your perspective
may not be quite the same as his. Yeah, Anti
Uni line, and I need to do I want to
do something about him because his story is fascinating, not
as much as you know meth Not once or you
know Semo. All right, but when he mentioned the terror
(01:56:03):
of Morocco in his latest video, I'm sitting there going fuck.
I thought I had had an insight secret on this one.
Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
There are no secrets, oh the ORDI.
Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
So okay. So Wednesday is back on Netflix, gearing up
for season two. So I didn't get to watch the
first time around.
Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
So I got to interrupt.
Speaker 10 (01:56:30):
Yeah, I got in it because you mentioned Netflix. Netflix
had one of the best Marvel shows ever.
Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
On Have you seen series?
Speaker 10 (01:56:41):
Have you seen the preview of the of the Disney
new coming Daredevil Born Again?
Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
I haven't yet.
Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
No, Oh my god, check it out. Okay, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Sorry, no, I'm gonna have to check that out because
I've been very disappointed at with the whole thing, because
you know, with the exception of fucking Iron Fist, those
are fantastic. Even Luke Cage didn't suck. Jessica Jones was
great too, anyway, Yeah, curse. So yeah, I started watching Wednesday.
(01:57:13):
I haven't finished The Pretender. I have this weird thing
with me that when I know, when I get into
the final season of a show, I really drag my
feet watching it because it's like I don't want that
experience to end. So it's like, rather than watching two
episodes three episodes a day, I'll go to like one
a week. So I saw them finished The Pretender and
(01:57:36):
just you know, having weird sleep schedules late, they'll throw
on some Deep Space nine or SG one just just
to help me fall asleep, so just for background noise.
But I've been just so that way, I don't get to,
you know, not where I can't pay attention to it.
I've been watching one episode of Wednesday and Night, and
(01:57:57):
that is a good show. I you know, it's kind
of I didn't want to like it, and really a
lot of the fans service they've put in and it's
just it's genuinely entertaining. So yeah, well done, Tim Burton,
especially sliding Christina Ricci in there in a way, so
(01:58:20):
you know, good, good nod back to your previous work.
Speaker 10 (01:58:23):
Oh god, Christina Ricci, I'll never ever ever forget that video.
She did it dressed up as Martitia.
Speaker 7 (01:58:34):
Or not.
Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
The video just a picture, No, the image is a fake.
Oh really, I thought she actually did it. Disappointed, I know,
I was disappointed even if she did. Even if it's
a fake, you know what.
Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Because it's she's in the classic Marticia Yeah, the look
the sixies.
Speaker 10 (01:58:51):
I am admittedly on solo from the latest Disney failure.
Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
I'm into that. Okay. Oh so, speaking of Wednesday, I
have to admit I didn't want to like it either.
The damn thing hooked me from like the opening, Yeah,
the very very like the very first thirty seconds of
the first episode. I'm like watching her do like, did
she really?
Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Did she really? Just what I'm in, I'm in and
lost the test I'm in. Yeah, no, no, it's it's
really well done. And Catherine Aida Jones looks fantastic. Yeah,
I get you know, I grew tired of her in
the nineties, so her.
Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
You know her, everyone's selling her as Hispanic when she's Welsh.
Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Yeah, and that whole Michael Douglas thing. So yeah, that's
what I'm watching. By the way, uh m d that
that's a great theory when what we were talking about
tonight too, uh, we're so good take also, so I
(02:00:05):
think okay, so, you know, to wrap it up, I mean,
what do you guys think plausible, likely or yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
Oh, I'm going with likely. I don't know which. I
don't know which version is the most likely, but likely.
Speaker 10 (02:00:24):
I'm going to go so out of bounds on this one,
and I'm gonna say confirmed.
Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Well, of course it's confirmed, you alien bastards. If anybody
knows it would be you. I now, I don't know
which one of the possibilities, but so many ring true
I have to say, yeah, mathematically the probability of it
(02:00:51):
being true against false tilt's true.
Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Well, and you know it doesn't have to be just one.
All three of them are equally likely. So I mean,
I'm me, I'm on the page that likely to confirmed
in at least two out of the three. You know
it's I mean, well, you know there's enough evidence to
(02:01:20):
say that, Yeah, aliens are absolutely here. Now are they
running a you know, crypto terrestrial program? I don't know. Yeah,
but the other two sure as fuck are yeah, Because
I mean, I mean, here's what happened to the c people.
You know, you have the civilization that comes in wipes
(02:01:42):
out the entire Mediterranean and then just vanishes.
Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Yes, you know you have.
Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
I mean, and you have a lot of civilizations like
that through time, you know, is they may just all
just you know, be hanging out in shangrolaw.
Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Yeah, And I just can't I can't stop wondering why
I had to go through so many IQ tests in elementary.
Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
School, especially when they just abruptly stopped doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Yes, yeah, that's just it. They don't do those anymore.
Speaker 10 (02:02:11):
No, no, no, And I remember the people taking the
test very vividly. They were not school administrators.
Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
No, that's because well, so, well the other thing is
so and you bringing up the pretender just made me
think of this. What if some of that IQ testing
was for private facilities? Like that's just another plausible Oh,
(02:02:44):
I'm telling you, there's just so many things. I mean
that this could spring into like fourteen different show topics. Yeah, yeah, good,
but yeah, we've already been going for two hours. In
my throat starting to get straty, so.
Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
Yeah, mine as well. I mean, we've all been sick recently,
so I think the fact that all three of us
could pull us off.
Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
Yeah, we definitely need to start having Jeff on for
these kind of topics more often, because you could, dude,
you could tell, you could tell how excited you were
about this from the beginning. This one's in my wheelhouse.
It's a very it's a very specific set of wheelhouse.
But you have it, sir, and you did well, all right,
(02:03:26):
folks Before I guess I started playing the outro, Jeff,
where can folks find you?
Speaker 10 (02:03:33):
I am hoping tomorrow, ironically, I really didn't plan all
this that much in advance. Uh, Tomorrow, I hope to
do an ITC about the theories of how civilizational on
Earth began through the eyes of different cultures of Earth's history.
Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
And then the next.
Speaker 10 (02:03:52):
Sunday thing again maybe maybe, yeah, a little bit, and
then next Sunday Lost wonder I'll be talking space and
science and going to touch on a subject I don't
think I've talked about on that show before, so that
should be interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
That's all we get on that one. Oh huh? Nice?
And where can folks follow along with you?
Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Sir?
Speaker 10 (02:04:17):
I'm at a cosmic bard on Twitter slash x because
since my name changed, I've gone up in views and
impressions by forty percent, So thank you all for that.
Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
Other than that, just here and everywhere, see, I don't
know how much of that was algorithm and how many
people were just like, yeah, Dud's a fucking stoner. I
don't want to hang out with him and praise the
power of Ann.
Speaker 10 (02:04:42):
By the way, merchandise available at taylorn dot com backslash store.
Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
Speaking of which, I'm mad about something because I was
gonna start are real. I was gonna real, I was
gonna start pushing, you know, cause Monday, for like the weekend,
I was gonna seriously push the you know, get your handmade,
sure what you can. Apparently the website says we're out
of stock. I'm at about that.
Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
What out of sock front on demand?
Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
It's not honorable. I was like, how is that even possible?
But yeah, anyway, and Amish, where can folks find you?
Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
This week? You can find me on rank coorse Steve's
rumble x feed right here on kaylor and Radio. Wednesday night,
you and I will be doing Rick and Lady if
we can get it together this week and Thursday, I'll
be on the Culture Shift with Brad and uh, busy
week for me? How about you? Rick? Where can people
(02:05:38):
not find you? All? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Well, for the short time, we're moving rails back to
Mondays because the Ladies of Red Wine won't be back
until mid February, so that there I will not be
hanging out with the guys on Tomorrow Night's panels, but
we're gonna do it on Monday instead. Also Monday, we
will be live streaming the the inauguration, and I'll so
(02:06:00):
I'll be live blogging. That's Monday, Yep, that's Monday, and
then I'll be live blogging with Twitchy while we're live
streaming the inauguration. And then Tuesday well, and then America
off the Rails. I haven't decided what time I'm gonna
start doing that yet, so I'll let folks know later.
And then Tuesday we do the daily starting on Tuesdays.
(02:06:21):
That's Tuesday through Friday noon to three right here on
kaylor and Radio, The Rick Robinson Show, Tuesday night, Manorama
ten pm Eastern, right here on our ex feeds, my
ex feeds, Rank Course, Steves Rumbling YouTube channels. Wednesday, we
I think we're gonna have full boat again, so some
sort of pop up at seven. I think g should
(02:06:42):
be back at eight, and then me and Stacey at nine,
me and you at ten, and then we start changing
over into the syndicated content from elsewhere. Then Thursday, jenn
and Rick ten pm Eastern Friday background doing Aggie things
with Aggie ricon on he said, She said, eight thirty
pm Eastern and then pushing buttons for front Ports Forensics
a week from tonight. And then on top of all that,
(02:07:05):
I also produced the Lofts Party podcast which drops on Tuesdays,
and you can find me as an occasional contributor to
Misfits Politics, the Loftisparty dot com and Twitchy dot com,
which I had planned on writing there today and then
again I told Aggie I shouldn't said anything last night
because was like, no, I'm gonna wake up till like
crap in the morning and I know it. But anyway, dude,
this man plague has been nuts. It just needs to
(02:07:27):
go away. But yeah, you can find me also on
x at Rady Rick seventy three. You can follow along
with the network at KLARM Radio and our new news
feed at Digital Beacon Us. I think that's everything, and
if not, I've said way too much anyway, So we're
getting out of here. You guys enjoy the rest of
your night. Thank you so much for hanging out with
(02:07:49):
us on your Saturday, Because I know a lot of
you had other things you could be doing, and you
chose to hang out with us instead. It was almost
eight hundred and fifty of you saying bye everybody. Pama
on Tapa hell hydra, no healing of the hydra. We've
had this discussion.
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