02-22-25 CIA False Flags -- Operation Northwoods

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I get it because I'm trying not to right now too.
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Now mine's just it's a dry cough, but it's like that,
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why he's here. Anyway, good evening.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, hello, gentlemen, thank you very much for the the
fine welcome here. And I'll join you in trying not
to cough, because that was my big fear about tonight.
I I don't think I need the iron lung yet.
But my name is Jason Jackson. I go by Dad
Hawk at Data Hawk jsj on X, please feel free

(10:04):
to follow. And I had gotten into a conversation with
Rick and we both found out that we were definitely
in each other's wheelhouses. And this is right up my
alley because I am currently in the process of writing
a book and it is going to be a critical
deconstruction of what has befallen America since the invention of

(10:30):
the Federal Reserve going forward, but tonight's topic being Operation Northwoods,
is a major turning point in where we are going forward.
It leads to so many things. I mean, we do
not obviously have confirmation that it's dealing with JFK, but
we're about to get some new classified documents maybe coming soon.

(10:53):
And it also really leads into Vietnam, because what happens
in Vietnam is exactly the type of thing they were
planning in Operation Northwoods. So when I heard that this
was going to be the topic tonight, I asked, Hey,
do you guys take guests ever? And they're like, yeah,
we could do a guest and I said, I'd love
to participate. So here I am, and I'll try not

(11:14):
to cough. But unlike these guys, I have not had
the flu. Please keep that on your side of the microphone.

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Thank you, but no promise. It seems to spread electronically,
and I don't know why or how.

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At least I had it for a full two weeks
before Rick had it, and he had the same thing
I had.

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At least we know it's not COVID two point oh yet,
because we yet we heard that yesterday and at least
we know it's not yet.

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But they're trying to roll that old chestnut out again.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes they are. But anyways, thank you very much for
the invitation and the ability to be here tonight. Guys,
I'm very happy to be here. Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Well, it's great to have you. It's like you and
I were talking about before the show when we were
talking about Operation Northwood. I I had always in my
head made it the Gulf of Tonkin thing, and because
it just seemed like, you know, that's the DODSMO fuck
with our boats. And I always added in my head

(12:14):
the CIA was Cuba, and you know Tonkin was DoD
But you know, we'll let you go into that whenever
you're ready to dive in. And you know, kind of
break down what Operation Northwoods really.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Was, Well, I mean it really to me, it all
starts at the Bey of Pigs, because when you have
the Bay of Pigs and we get so embarrassed, humiliating US, defeat,
embarrasses John F. Kennedy, It deepens the Cold War tension,
It pushes cashtro closer to the Soviets, helps lead to

(12:46):
the to the Cuban Missile crisis in nineteen sixty two.
It costs fifty three million dollars at the time, that's
nineteen sixty one money. That'd be five hundred million dollars
a half a billion dollars today would have been the
outcome that happened out of the Bay of Pigs. And
what it did was it barrass Kennedy, but it pissed

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off the Joint Chiefs something fierce, especially Lemitzer, and it
leads directly into Operation Northwoods, which we know now through
NSA declassification in two thousand and five was always real.
It was always planned, And as you stated when we
were leading in here, it's exactly what happens in the
Gulf of Tonkin. They fake an attack on a US

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boat and they lead us into a war that costs
fifty eight thousand American lives, countless other lives between age
and Orange, Vietnamese lives, lives, everywhere. Everything affects lives, and
that's what we're supposed to be trying to protect here
in America when we're fighting communism, and we just weren't
doing it because our government was literally going to be

(13:50):
willing to at least fake killing American citizens to bring
us into a conflict with Cuba.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
When I was reading up on this too, I said, well,
this is ballsy because they already played this game in Cuba.
I mean, that's what got us into the Spanish American
War with the Main And I'm like, you can't show
the same movie twice in the same venue.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Remember the Main Remember the Main?

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Yeah, I if you don't remember the main was a
false flag off to get us into the Spanish American War. Yes, so,
And I mean you can argue that Lucitana was. And
you it's whenever one of our boats gets fucked with,
it's always in the back of my head that we
did it first.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
You know.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
I always have a little bit of skepticism unless, you know,
unless the Houthis are really fucking proud of it or
something like that, and they're like, okay, all right, so
not us, but not directly us.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was just checking out the chat here for a moment,
and I just see that Alan Ray noticed the gulf
of time and didn't become to classified into anyone who
was involved was dead. Well, that's probably kind of what
we're seeing now with why it's taken so long for
them to declassify things like JFK. I still to this
day think that a big reason why they haven't declassified
that is because Kissinger and Bush were still alive very

(15:11):
late into the game. I mean, Bush was almost alive
till twenty twenty and Kissinger didn't die until twenty twenty three,
and they both could have been intimately involved. And I
mean it all goes together. It's all just vile, disgusting,
corrupt bullshit behind the scenes, and it should piss off

(15:32):
every American citizen in the country.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Well, no, you know, the backup als point too, is that,
you know, the Northwood documents didn't get released until April
or twenty oh one, so we had a lot, you know,
going on after that, so it was kind of like
it was only in you know, people's minds for a
couple of months before you know, other things happened in
that year. Yeah, they were quite distracting, So I mean,

(15:56):
not to say that they distracted from because by that
point had already been four year or so.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Sure, right, you know, but I'm like, you see, every
time I see an attack that could potentially be this,
it's always my first thought too, because it's like, we
know they've done it before, and they were doing it
sixty years ago. Now we've got all this technology and
a cooperative media that would bury the shit out of
all of it, to where you have to ask, first,

(16:24):
did we do this? And unless you can prove we didn't,
you'll never know.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well yeah, I mean, you know, not to go too
far into the declassification stuff that's going on right now,
but I guarantee you. Even with the push that is
coming to basically try to declassify everything, we're never going
to get the entire story. It's it's never going to happen.
As much as I would it would love for them
to do it, And honestly, i'm because at this point,

(16:51):
it's a month in and they were They told us
they were going to start declassifying things on day one.
So now even I'm starting to get a little cranky
because I'm like, you, guys, I said this was supposed
to be happening already. Now I just heard Pam BONDI like, yeah,
it's on my desk, really really, and it.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Was like it's as soon as they said they were
going to do it, the FBI all of a sudden says, oh, well,
we found fourteen thousand more pages of documents, so we're
going to have to pump the brakes a little bit.
And I mean, I don't want to get too off
topic about that, but I mean, you're right, we're never
going to get all the information. And I mean, I
hate to say it, I voted for Donald Trump. I
love what's going on, but I never had any faith

(17:30):
that we're going to get these disclosures. But if we don't,
I don't see how this is going to hold. I
really don't.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Well yeah, I mean that's just it. Especially, I mean
with what we're talking about right now and with what
we've seen. I mean the reason we're talking about this
right now is because we've seen things like that that
are starting to happen again, but instead of happening in
other countries, they're not happening on our own soil exactly.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
Well that, I mean it comes to the declassification thing too.
For the f I to suddenly say, hey, we've found
another fourteen thousand pages. I mean, you know, I'll give that.
I'll give that a thumbs up, because it's not like,
you know, well, the CIA is part of the conversation tonight,
as they always are when you're talking about MK Ultra.
Nothing survived that, there's none of that. I mean, there's

(18:19):
so little that about k I mean, Rick and I
did a show on MK Ultra last year in one
of the shows we did about MK Ultra, and those
documents were gone. I mean they were gone even before
the Church Committee.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So and I mean people will always wonder, they're like, Okay, well,
why is the CIA so stupid that they left what
they did behind behind mk ultra to prove that they
did it. And what I always say is they're trying

(18:52):
to leave themselves dirt to use on their own political enemies,
to where if they know they did something, just like
maybe like something like the Epstein List or the Ditty List,
things like that, it gives them an immense amount of
political power to be able to say, well, I saw
you do this, and now I've got you. And that's

(19:17):
the only reason that I think that any of these
documents still exist is because they need something to bury
people with if somebody gets out of line, they need
to be able to bury them. It's just dirty. It's
always been dirty. Nothing's clean. Nothing is clean, even from.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
A less nefarious and too. The reason why these things
eventually get exposed too is because as we're seeing with
stuff that's going on in current day two, is that
you know, it doesn't matter what you're doing in the government,
how black budget you are, the bean counters, what receipts,
and that's usually how a lot of these things get exposed.

(19:57):
If somebody files the right FO your requests US that
has travel documents or you know, purchase orders and then
that's when the you know, that's the thread that unravels
the tapestries most a lot of times. So you know,
thank God for the being counters when it comes to
you know, our shows.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's the one time we can think them probably, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Especially the government being counters. That's pretty much the only
time they get it out of boy.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, so we we we sidetracked a little bit. Okay,
go back into no Rick, Rick, Can I get distracted
by shiny things all the time?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Everything leads into everything?

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yeah, it really does. So okay, so break us down
the basic timeline of north Woods.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
All right, let me uh just scroll up here, because
I did have some preparation done for tonight and I
had gotten down to uh give that a little opening earlier.
So all right, well, uh, obviously, Operation Northwoods is a
nineteen sixty two United States military plan where the Joint

(21:08):
Chiefs and Lyman Lemnitzer decided to stage terrorist attacks on
United States soil, kill or at least fake killing Americans,
and blame Cuba for the war pretext. It was part
of the Cuba project in Operation Mongoose, which was post
Bay of Pigs but pre Cuban Missile Crisis. In an
effort to oust Fidel Castro, luckily for US at least

(21:31):
in nineteen sixty two. And this with Tonkin, as you
alluded to earlier, being in nineteen sixty four. John F.
Kennedy obviously was gone by November of nineteen sixty three.
But in March of nineteen sixty two, John F. Kennedy
saw this plan that was being organized by the joint
chiefs of Staff and Lemnitzer, and he rejected it. He said,

(21:52):
you guys are crazy. I'm not faking killing Americans. I'm
not killing Americans. I'm not doing fake funerals in order
to bring us into war. And we know that this
happened because it was declassified in nineteen ninety seven under
the JFK Records Act. It's in the National Archives. It's
one hundred and eighty one pages. It's raw proof. Anybody
that's listening tonight can go and watch it now. The plans,

(22:15):
some of them, were to bomb Miami, bomb Washington, d C, Florida,
fake quote unquote Cuban agents, plastic bombs, arrests, planet documents
proving Havana and Castro's guilt, hijacking, and shootdowns. Let's crash
a civilian airliner, but we'll swap it out with a drone.

(22:35):
We'll fake the passenger's death, will mock the funerals. We'll
use a remote control US plane. We'll repaint it Cuban
and crash it over Cuba. We'll sink a United States
ship in Guantanamo, just like as we said earlier with
remember the main blow up some refugee boats, maybe kill
some Cuban exiles, and then we'll blame Fidel Castro for it.

(22:56):
The casualty lists in the United States newspapers would have
national insignation, and it would have been essentially planned American
deaths for public reactions. And I mean, we've got a
lot of key players that everybody's heard of. Obviously. I've
already talked about a little bit about Lyman Lemonitzer. He
was the Joint Chiefs, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs
at the time. He's one of the most well known

(23:18):
warhawks probably to ever live. And he was the main
one that pushed Operation Northwoods. He was the main one
that clashed with President Kennedy. And this is actually what
got him fired in nineteen sixty three. And just as
a little side connection to something that's going on now.
When they fired him, they sent him to NATO. And

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I mean, you've got some other big players in there.
You had Robert McNamara, who famously alluded to it as
he was getting ready to pass on and helped confirm that, yeah,
all of this happened. He got the membo. Initially, he
got skeptical. He passed on to Kennedy. Kennedy of course
said no. It was at a meeting in March sixteenth

(24:02):
to nineteen sixty two, and he said he was not
going to discuss United States foreshoes, and that really deepened
the rift that they had with the Joint Chief of
Staff at the time. And then you had people like
Edward Lansdale, who was the head of Operation MongoosT. He
requested pretexts for it. And it's nineteen sixty two to
where it's happening, right after the Bay of Pigs failed

(24:23):
in nineteen sixty one, and right before the Cuban Missile
crisis happened, and it really made Cuba get closer to
the Soviets, and it made us want to invade. And
why it really matters is it led to the peak
of the Cold War the United States for USSR with
Cuba as a flashpoint, Castro nationalizing United States industries with

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the Soviets, Armingham and Kennedy had to come up with
a flexible response to the military's war hunger Operation Northwoods.
What it shows the most is it showed desperation. It
showed at the time at least, which we don't see
as much now, at least from the left. But it
showed anti communist zeal But it also showed that we

(25:07):
were willing to kill for policy. It was rejected, but
that mindset lingered, especially with the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
because Kennedy when he said no, he pissed them off
something fucking awful. It led immediately to a rift between
Kennedy and the Joint chiefs. It led totally to lemonits

(25:29):
are getting fired and sent Tonado. And I can't prove it,
don't quote me on it, but it probably helped lead
to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in nineteen
sixty three. And even if it didn't, it helped fuel
theories that it did, even with no direct link to
Operation Northwoods actually being proven yet. And I was going

(25:57):
for a minute there, let me let you catch up yep.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Okay, No, I was just you know, a couple of
the other creative plans that they had too. I think
both of these came from Lansdale himself. Was they had
a plan in place to where if anything had happened
to John Glenn and the Mercury mission that he was
on in sixty two, if it had crashed or anything
like that, they had it all set to blame Cuba

(26:20):
with electronic interference, that they're the ones who caused the
Mercury space mission to fail and kill John Glenn, and
that was going to be a pretext for it. Another
one was that they were planning on doing a false
flag attack against a couple a couple of members of
the OAS the Organization of American States, most predominantly Cuba

(26:42):
or not sorry, not Cuba, Jamaica or Trinidad Tobago because
those were both British protectorates and they wanted to drag
the British into this too.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Absolutely, and I mean a big part of this is
a lot of the fallout from it. We still see
it today. I mean, things like this weren't being declassified
till like nineteen ninety seven, and that's only four years
from nine to eleven to where if we didn't find
out about this, there probably might not be the speculation

(27:18):
there is today about that because obviously a lot of
people out there will likely never be able to prove it.
But a lot of people out there think that nine
to eleven was an attack that we pulled on ourselves,
and it showed the risks of these false flags. It
opened the debate on what the CIA and the Pentagon

(27:38):
were doing when they were fucking around with everything, and
it showed massive gaps in oversight. The ends don't always
justify the means, and how far is too far?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, if we've learned anything, we've figured out our government
doesn't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
They absolutely do not. Nothing is too far.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because the ends always justify the means.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
I mean, look at it, say that's kind of our stick.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I mean, look at what they put us over the
last four years, We've been called every name in the book.
We had Joe Biden giving a speech with marines in
a backdrop with flags and red lights, and they want
to call this guy hitler. I'm like, yeah, I think
he missed the boat. Guys, he missed the boat.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I mean, why this is so important to me
is because my father he volunteered and enlisted in nineteen
sixty six, and he served three heroic tours of duty
as a gunnery sergeant in the United States Marine Corps
in Vietnam. He died at forty two years old in
nineteen eighty nine from the poisoning that will eventually take

(28:47):
my life too. I've been sick my entire life over
it to where these things are the things that truly
matter to me because they've destroyed my family. I mean,
we talk about these things every day, but they had
true human cost for so many people, not just here
in America. Vietnam is a clusterfuck. If anybody has ever

(29:11):
looked at some of the pictures of what we have
done to Vietnamese children with dioxin and agent orange, if
you haven't looked at those pictures, you will be fucking disgusted.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
And it's account Vietnam is entirely populated with large breasted
lingerie models who love me just for me.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
The lawney that's what I that's what I remember from
Full Metal Jacket. They they that's what they.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
Try to account on minds. It's all Vietnamese underwear models.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Anyway, Bobby Bob, that's being Vietnam, Bobby b beer, only
beer in Vietnam.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I love that movie. It's one of the it's it
was my father favorite war movie before he passed. I
still feel it's the best war movie ever. But I digress.
I don't want to get us too off topic here. Yeah,
I'll throw it back to you guys there. But I
mean everything leads to everything. I mean, there's so many

(30:18):
risks today because look at twenty nineteen, the Israel r
An hacks everything after nine to eleven, the narratives in Ukraine,
that Northwoods mindset is always going to persist, and even
more importantly now with drones and AI, the tech is
gonna make it so much easier. And I mean they
say that with the FOIA and Congress being watchdogs, it

(30:42):
should be tighter, but does anybody fucking believe that, because
I sure as hell don't.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, I mean so, and because we are talking CIA.
Here's a prime example, USAID, which has basically been exposed
to CIA front. Anytime Congress ever tried to get in
anything to do any over they're like, yeah, we don't
answer to you. So no Congress is I mean when
you're dealing with alphabet soup agencies, Congress can't do anything.
That's one of the reasons why you've got the current

(31:08):
administration going through and just gutting everything because they're tired
of not getting any answers.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Apparently they don't think they answer to the President of
the United States either, which is really fucking interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I mean that's been a thing for a while,
but well yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
That's every department in the federal bureaucracy.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It shows just too much power to them, and it
really needs to be broken up. I doubt it ever will,
but it needs to be.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I mean, it's being gutted pretty well right now. We'll
see how long it lasts, though, because I mean, with
the way the Democrats are screaming and yelling, you think
there was nobody lived in DC.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
They just scream and yell for fun.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, that's true, I mean, I mean that's kind of
their whole stake.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So I don't want to pile too much on them,
because you never know that they may find the show
and just try to figure out way that they can
call us crazy to where I don't want to just
throw them away. They're Americans too, They need to know
this stuff, and maybe if they knew more of it,
they wouldn't be so fucking crazy and they wouldn't be
calling us crazy, and they'd go, hey, you guys might

(32:13):
not be crazy because we're not. It's all back by facts,
and it's all backed by documents.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It won't matter because any I mean, anybody who does
shows like this is automatically tenfold hat. What I love though,
is in the last basically ten years, every conspiracy theorist
has basically been shown to be batting one thousand. That's like,
I know, they haven't completely declassified in everything, but just
before the FBI said, oh, look we found fourteen thousand
more pages, you had a Congress Coulter take to X

(32:40):
and say, hey, information I've seen is actually indicating there
might be credence to the fact that there may have
been a second shooter. For JFK, I know about a
half a dozen conspiracy theorists that were like, fucking told you,
and then the theorists punched the air.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I was shocked when I saw Luna come out and
basically say there was two shooters, which completely invalidates the
warrant commission. No, it made no dense I don't even
think it trended on X.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
No, it didn't, because I mean I was streaming about
everything else and I'm like, you're telling me. We've just
basically told you that everything you've believed your entire childhood
has been and for some of you, most of your
adult life has been a lie. And it doesn't even trend.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
On X doesn't even trend.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
That's how that's everything is.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's the one thing when I hear that people say, oh,
more and more people are waking up. Yeah, but it's
not enough. We've got to keep working and make sure
that we get more people to wake up because there's
so many people out there. I mean, I was talking
to people yesterday that are still certain that Lee Harvey
Oswald acted alone, and it's like, did you hear what

(33:53):
Luna said the other day there's two shooters.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, that can't be true.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Yeah, And in fairness, there was a commission after the
Warren Commission in the name I'm drawing an absolute blank
on right now. Jerald Ford was on it. No, he
was on the Warren Commission, but it was the one
after it. We're basically and it's the one that's downplayed
because the Warren Commission was the one that gave the
government story how they wanted it play it out. But

(34:20):
there was the Federal Commission after the Warren Commission basically
said yeah, this whole thing was a sham and they
got it completely wrong. But that one doesn't you know.
I'm gonna when we go to break, I'm going to
google it so I can find out get the exact name.
But uh, yeah, it was right now. Yeah, they had

(34:42):
contradict the Warren Commission in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I mean, obviously there wasn't social media then, but
I don't think I think back then it probably would
have made more of a dent than it is now,
which is really sad considering we say we're in the
information age. Yeah, it was the Rocker fell At Commission,
by the way, Yes, thank you, thank you, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, well, I mean the thing about being in the
information age is that's just everybody's way of trying to
make everybody feel smart. Right now, you and I talked
about this a little bit yesterday. All this has done
is put the entire world's information at your fingertips, which
means nobody remembers anything anymore because they don't have to
if they all they got to do is look it up.
Nobody remembers anymore. Nobody remembers information anymore. Nobody retains information

(35:29):
because you don't need to. I mean, it reminds me.
I think it was in one of the the the
color reboots of The Twilight Zone where they had an
episode where everybody was like jacked into this network and
somehow somebody had traveled to the future and found it.
They were just freaking out because nobody could remember. Nobody
could retain anything because they didn't need to. Because any

(35:49):
anytime they ever had a question, all they had to
do was think, and the computer would find the answer
for them. And it made them completely worthless.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
And it won't talk about again exactly and you shut up.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
What commission was that? But uh yeah, it was the
Rockefeller Commission. It was in seventy five, and uh yeah,
Ford appointed the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States,
the Rockefeller Commission to investigate alleged abuses of the CIA
is charter, including any possible involvement by the CIA and
the Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But remember, the CIA can't do things on American soil.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, of course not.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well here. Here, here's something else that I don't think
they meant to accidentally let folks know. But with the
creation of the Patriot Act, they actually there was there
was a division of the CIA that already existed. It
became a lot more, a lot more powerful, called the
DPD Domestic Production Division, and they can actually do things

(36:51):
on US soil. And yeah, I didn't even know that
was a thing until USA put out a series called
COVID Affairs, and I'm like, surely this is not legitimate.
And I looked and it was, and I was freaking.
I was like, what the hell? I was always able
to do anything when it was soiled.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I hate to bring it more forward to today again,
but just to go a little bit off what you
were saying there, it's like, Okay, you see all these
people today that are saying I when Trump and Elon
started actually breaking in to some of these things and saying, okay,
here's this information. And then of course the response immediately

(37:33):
from the left was, oh, they're in all our information
and data. And it's like the NSA has had every
action in your life and every purchase you've made, at
least for the last twenty years, and yet didn't give
a shit. Then do you not remember Edward Snowden Because

(37:55):
I told you twelve years ago almost now he told
you the NSA had all of your data. They know
where you are. They're pining your cell phone right now.
They know where you are, they know what you buy,
they know everything about you. And now everybody wants to
whind Oh they've got my data. They've always had your data.

(38:17):
Wake up.

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Speaker 1 (42:24):
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you might be
coming to you. No, I'm just kidding, Hi, Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Into the program.

Speaker 7 (42:30):
This is Jack Crosstination around the World. This is Ordnance
Packard and I'm not I'm Rick Robinson and this is juxtaposition.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
We do this thing usually every two weeks. It's our
for you into the weird, the unusual, the unexplainable. And
tonight we are talking false flags and c I a
with an awesome guest who's actually running circles around us,
I feel, which is rare.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I don't think so, but that's very kind of you.
I just want to take a second. I have to.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
I have to.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's this joke by Kevin and ABQ out here about
the Rockefeller Commission. They were probably actually called on to
answer the question where in the world is Carmen san Diego.
That joke was great. You made me and my wife laugh.
Thank you very much, Kevin, throw it back to you guys.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I mean, you know, doesn't everybody get asked that question? Yeah? Anyway, yo, Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
Posted a meme the other day about you know two
thousand and one, Oh it comes with a little book
you know video games? Oh, it comes with a little booklet,
two thousand and ten, Where's my little booklet? Twenty twenty,
Where's my game? So, but it was if you remember
the original Carmen San Diego game, it came with a
fucking atlas.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Yeah it did.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
I sure did, fifteen hundred page outless.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I really liked to where in Time is Carmen San
Diego game? That was a really good one too.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
That was funny.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, going back in time and stuff and seeing some
of the art, and especially at the time that game
was ahead of ahead of its time. But anyways, I
just wanted to acknowledge that joke because I laughed so
so much, so much.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
Better than chat all the time to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, so much better than the games that we played
when we were in school. Because I died of dysentery
every fucking.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Day that there would always be a cold snap that
fuck up my lemonade stand.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
They got a really cool new org On Trail game. Actually,
if you haven't seen it, you should check it out.
They they brought it into the New Day. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
Nice as long as you can see, that's the important thing.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think I've actually played that game a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Typhoid was a problem too.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, you know, damn Mary.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
So one of the things during the break it hit
me while I was refreshing my tea. One of the
dirty tricks that they were planning on in North Woods was, uh,
they were going to take a military plane painted is
either a commercial airliner or Cuban airliner and then remote
control it into crashing and then blame it on Cuba.

(45:05):
And it reminded me of the often talked about but
nobody can find it on the internet anymore, episode of
The Lone Gunman if you remember that spin off from
the X Files, where they were on an airplane that
was being remote controlled into the Twin Towers and it
was a big thing right after nine to eleven where
it was like, oh my god, the Loan Gunman predicted this.
It was like four or five years, a couple of

(45:27):
years before it actually happened. But it's just that these
dirty tricks keep coming up and they keep recycling them
and whatever you think, oh, there's no you know, whatever
you think of the most outlandish thing possible that would
you know, drag us into a war. It's already been
war gamed out, there's a contingency plan for it. But
they keep falling back to their favorites, fucking with our boats.

(45:50):
I was good.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Sorry, No, I was just gonna say, what is it
with them in boats, because they do seem to have
a they have a flavor there.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Anyway. Well, if you shoot down a plane, there's a
lot of collateral damage. If you kill a boat, it
just sinks.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Eh, good point, you're helping a circle of life. You've
made a reef.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
And I mean, I don't want to joke about our
ship's getting sunk, but I really think that might have
something to do with it, because if you shoot down
a plane, you're going to have debris go everywhere to
where if you shoot down a boat, it's pretty much
just going in the water. But one thing I did
want to say there with your foray into the Lone

(46:36):
Gunman is it's predictive programming. And that's probably a whole
another two hour show.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
Yeah, that's because I.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Remember right when we started and we were talking about
things that have happened since twenty twenty. I remember when
Kobe Bryant died and there was that big move about
the cartoon out there that had been released about five
years before he passed away, called Chamberlain Heights, and they
actually had Kobe Bryant in that video dieing a helicopter crash,

(47:11):
and the joke in it was that Kobe dies in
the helicopter crash. He's still alive, but his rings come
flying out of the helicopter as he's dying, and the
little kids from the Chamberlain Heights show go and pick
them up and say these were shacks anyways. But it
was like five years before he died, and there was

(47:31):
another commercial that was like six minutes long by Robert Rodriguez,
which is probably one of the most illuminatiesque commercials that's
ever been made. And that commercial ends with Kanye West
getting shot down in a helicopter and it's like, Okay,
that happened. The helicopter crashed. He really died, and I

(47:56):
knew about it five years ago because of a cartoon,
And it happens all the time. And people just don't
put it together sometimes, but my brain never stops, so
I do. So let me kick it back to you guys.
I just when you said that about the Lone Gunman
and having come out before the event happened, it that
shit happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, I mean this goes into something else that we've
talked about. Well, we haven't really talked about it on
this show yet, but I keep meaning to have us
reach or reach into it. I mean, I guess we've
kind of touched on it in other like allegories, but
we haven't done complete show on it. The Collective consciousness
mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
Yeah, we talked about that. I thought we had done
that one, but then I realized that that was me
and Mickey on John Katz's show, which I was talking
to cats after your show last night. We got to
do another panel with those guys.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, we do, we do, but then then again we
have to be able to rain Mickey in because he's
always off doing Mickey shit. But yeah, no, it's just
it's weird to think about because there are so many
things that if you look, it's almost like we've seen
things that have been that have played out in TV
that have come through years later, and it's like, okay,

(49:12):
so did they see this too and it put the
idea in their head? Or was this some sort of
collective consciousness way of trying to warn us that bad
things were happening and it's just something well, yeah, that too.
We joke about The Simpsons all the time because I'm
pretty sure what the Simpsons is from the future.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
The Simpsons are all stripped into the Mandela effect, which
is we I think.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I think Futurama is Matt Groening's actual life and the
Simpsons is him telling us history.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Okay, you know what you might be able to make?
You might be able to make?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Is that a good juxtapositions? Did I just like pull
something off to perfectly name the show?

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Well, we actually joke about that, but we uh that
that could actually be what and Jeff with.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
The uh the the uh.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
The most memorable and best line from Men in Black
out there about a person being smart but people were stupid.
I use that the other day in some other context,
but it just keeps ringing true idiocracy and getting back
to the uh. The you know your point about you know,
boats sink and they're you know, they're harder to find.
And that's actually true because when an airplane crashes, you'll

(50:32):
have dozens of scrubs all over the wreckage before NTSB
or anybody else even shows unless it's planned on where
it's going to crash, and then it gets cordoned off
pretty quick. But a boat sinking, that's rarefied air of
the people who could actually get to it, you know,
for investigators, the the amount of people who especially if

(50:54):
it's like in you know, blue water, the amount of
people who have access to the deep or pretty limited.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Absolutely, I'm actually pulling something up about that right now.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
Yeah, I'm going call data dumpster Delaney. That's we need him. Yea.
Nancy Mays teased us all with the UFO commission right before, uh,
you know, at the end of last year, and so
we need to, uh we need to keep that momentum going.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Are we still allowed to call them UFOs or do
we have to call them U A P s.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Now we call them whatever we want to for UFOs,
you know. That was actually that's actually what inspired the
whole juxtaposition thing. I had been doing political shows for
forever and I'm and this was back when Tucker Carlson
was on was still on Fox News, and I'm doing
show prep and all of a sudden, I'm just flipping

(51:51):
through the channels and I hear Tucker Carlson talking about
fucking UFOs. I'm like, when the hell did UFOs become mainstream?
And when did I know? How did I not get
the memo? And and then I was just talking and
doing the usual show with the chat, and I just
I wasn't getting into it. I was like, you know what,
fuck it, we're going to talk about this. And then
like the next week, I was like, Yeah, this is

(52:12):
one of the shows I'm doing. Then three weeks later,
I said, hey, you should do this show with me,
and he's like, that's never been done before, it won't work.
And we're coming up on six years.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
I can't believe it was.

Speaker 15 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
The good thing with the two hour format is we
can actually dig into a topic.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
And it helps with our squirrels because then we're not
we don't spend half the show going off on squirrels
and then even on the table, which I'm about and
all admitted.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I don't want to give him too much credit, but
I honestly think one of the reasons that the UFO
thing became more mainstream was because of the links lead
singer of Blink one eighty two, Tom DeLong and all
everything he was putting out there. Because his music was
so mainstream, when he started talking about it, people that
probably wouldn't have been looking into it were going, why

(52:59):
is the lead singer at Blink one eighty two telling
me there's UFOs? And now I hear he's working with
people that were at the Pentagon and all these different places.
And obviously we've not gotten disclosures since, but I definitely
think it helped bring it more into the awareness of
the public, just because of his platform that he achieved
through music.

Speaker 7 (53:20):
That and you know, you know, not to give you know,
pop culture too much credit. I already talked about the
Lone Gummon, but the thing with the X Files too
is that I knew people who had security clearance and
the only thing they would say to me is that
Chris Carter knows somebody.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
So he made it. Yeah, he took it from the
you know, the absurdity of what was UFO culture at
the time, and then really kind of you white breaded it,
you know, he made it easier to digest over a
long story arc of several years. But yeah, it's like,

(54:00):
you know, we years ago, I think twenty fifteen, you know,
during you know, when Trump was coming down the escalator.
You know, we all started joking about, you know, the
fucking timeline, And now you know is you can't find
a person who doesn't know what a Mandela effect is
in the timeline switching right.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
The Mandela effects always been weird to me because I
mean I'm old enough I'm forty six years old to
where I grew up on the Berenstained Bears and all
that to where some of it I definitely buy into
some of it I don't, but it's definitely weird. I mean,
everything's weird, but that's always been a little weird to
me with that.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
But well, speaking of CIA falls flags, what if I
told you one of the most prominent new theories about
the Mandela effect is it's been a gas lighting experiment
funded by the CIA.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I believe it. The CIA wrote that and Flemming that one.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
I have a hard time with because scrubbing, I mean,
there's just too many artifacts to scrub, but I mean
the one that's still frees. But getting okay, getting back
to Northwood's real quick. Something else that I was really.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, before you before you go back to the main topic.
The point I'm trying to get to is they use
the artifacts of their advantage because even though they're out there,
they keep trying to tell people they're not real. Okay,
so that's like.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
The whole top of gas flighting.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Well, that's like the whole of the Cornucopia not being
a thing. Somebody actually found a T shirt in their
closet that had the Cornucopia logo.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Right, so they didn't sneak I remember that.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, anyway, so that Yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
So what surprised me about this too and doing it
is that how hands off McNamara was with this because
he I mean, yeah, he's the one who actually, ultimately
I mean as sect, he's the one who eventually took
you know, the plans to Kennedy, but he was balls
deep and everything around Tonkin. Yeah, it's like he was

(56:04):
mad that, you know, they didn't get to do Northwoods.
So he's all, I'm just gonna I'm gonna steer Tonkin
straight in.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And how much money did the military industrial complex make
from that?

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Yeah, well it really took us into the jet age.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I guess that's one benefit of it. I don't think
it was worth the cost, but.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
For sure, well, as we talked about on the show
often that Eisenhower didn't go far enough in his farewell
address talking about the military industrial complex. He should have
called it the military industrial entertainment complex.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Absolutely, boy, I don't know how many times I've said
that myself, but you're one of the few persons I've
ever heard say it back.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
Well, there we go. See kissmet You're on the show tonight.
We're all meeting this week for reasons.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
We came together somehow because I had been off X
for a while, and obviously our discussion yesterday did not
start on any of this stuff, and we just figured out.
I believe I even told you yesterday I think we
might be related.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, there's a possibility there.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I just saw chat up there. Y'all need to find
some retired navymen. My dad was a marine to where
I don't have any navymen. I don't have a marine
anymore either, but they definitely have a lot of stories
about what they saw at sea. I just noticed that
chat by Larry Wolf up there, and that would be
cool to hear some more stories from the Navy about

(57:38):
why they go so much after boats instead of planes,
because it's got to scare them. If you were a navyman,
you could know that if they pull a north Woods
on you, you could either be killed or faked to
be killed and have a fake funeral for you because
of Operation Northwoods. I mean, it could happen on a

(58:01):
plane too. But like you said earlier, why is it
always boats. Well, there's a lot of collateral damage with planes,
and as we learn from nine to eleven, you'd get
things like jet fuel and it's burning temperature, and there's
a lot of questions where how long has the Arizona
been down there?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Very deep, not very deep at all, but I mean
obviously they've brought a lot of stuff up. But when
you see the things with the boats. I've only been
on one cruise in my life and it kind of
just weirded me out because there's so much open around you.
And that's another thing. If you're in a boat out there,

(58:44):
it could be they could tell anything that happened because
who's there to see it. You're right, I mean planes,
especially today Taylor Swift's plane, you can find any time
of the day, you can find a plane in the sky.
I don't really know if they have those for boats,

(59:05):
the jet track. I'm sure they do, but not as popularized,
but I'm sure they do. But yes, ships, the Navy
has ships. You're correct, unless it's the submarine that it's
a boat. Yes.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
That drives me crazy because I watched so many Navy
movies and shows where they do that backwards, and I'm like,
come on, man.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
So getting back to the main topic, is or anything
we haven't touched on yet that you wanted to you
wanted to drop into it.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I mean, I'm looking at it, and I see it
was tough because I want to. I mean I haven't
been on a show or done anything in a while
to where I didn't want to try to get off
topic too much, because I mean, the big thing about
it is the legacy and the fallout and the ethics
of it. I mean, we know based off that that

(01:00:02):
we know there isn't a place too far that they
won't go. We know they've already thought about it, we
know they've already done it. It has to constantly be
on your mind every time some tragic event happens. You
have to think about okay, is what they're telling me real?
And with our modern media, you can't be sure that

(01:00:23):
anything's real because they do nothing but lie. But I
don't think. I mean, I'm trying to remember in my youth,
like let's say, three years after nine to eleven, I
don't remember too many people knowing what a false flag
attack was unless they were like deep in to the

(01:00:44):
lore and the information, like people like us are, Like
I've said the word false flag to people before and
they're like, what are you talking about? And they have
no idea because it's not like they teach about it
in school, like oh yeah, our government that will just
fake your death to get political aims. They're not going
to tell you that. They're not going to tell you

(01:01:06):
that on the news. The people in office aren't going
to tell you that. The CIA, you're never going to
know who they are, so they definitely aren't telling you.
And it shapes all of our modern scrutiny. Nine to
eleven WMD's in Iraq. All of this echoes Northwoods and
there's major modern risks out of it now today with

(01:01:27):
the technology, like we didn't get into it before. But
look at the cyber false flags like the Israel Iran
Haaks in twenty nineteen. That's all a Northwoods start off.
The whole reason that they knew that false flags work
is because of Operation Northwoods, which means that it's one

(01:01:49):
of the most important projects that's ever come out of
the intelligence community that is going to have an effect
on your life for the rest it and for the
rest of the lives of your children. They need to
know this information. They need to know that everything they
get told they need to question, because there's far too

(01:02:11):
much apathy in our country today. I mean, look at
the vote turnout. There was only one hundred and fifty
thousand or excuse me, one hundred and fifty million people
that voted, and obviously there's over three hundred and thirty
million in the country. Our country is in the toilet,
and over half of us don't care enough to go
to the polls.

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
Yeah, and that's actually been the real that's actually been
the real death of democracy is an apathetic electorate. And
that's by.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Design, absolutely by design.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Well, I mean we talked about it on this show.
The modern education system was started was basically researched, funded
and started by the Rockefellers during the Industrial revolution because
they he wanted to figure out how to basically get
a populace that was smart enough to work his machines
and not smart enough to think on their own. So
one of the first things he did was start commissioning

(01:03:08):
folks to do research to figure out how long it
took to basically, you know, reprogram people and it's or
in doctrinate people, and it's twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
While he was handing out dimes to make you think
that he was a kindly old man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, I mean, and that's one of the reasons why
they're screaming right now about Donald Trump wanted to try
to send education back to the States because we're trying
to get away from the cookie cotter approach on everything.
Kats and I talked about this a little bit last night,
but yeah, you're right, it's by design. They want people
to be apathetic. They don't want people to be able
to critically think, because if they can critically think, then
they would be able to understand all of the things

(01:03:45):
that they would have understood them a hell of a
lot sooner than COVID there would have been there wouldn't
have been parents going and only finding out how bad
the schools were because their kids were home watching and
having to do with the schoolwork on computers, and the
parents were actually able to see it and they're like,
what are you teaching my children? I mean, everything that's happening,
everything that's happening right now is all an offshoot from

(01:04:05):
that from that quote unquote happy accident, and then all
the things they tried to do afterwards to see how
far they could push things and people started waking up
from it, and you're right, not enough people have woken up.
It's another reason why we I mean, I started this
show before COVID, but it was right around It wasn't
too far from it, but it was just another way

(01:04:27):
for me to try to wake people up because people
weren't paying attention. Now we have a lot of people
who are starting to pay attention. But my concern is
I think a lot of people are going to start
trying to go back to sleep, which is why we
still try to do shows like this as often as
we can to try to people that are awake awake
and let them know about things that they didn't really

(01:04:47):
know about, because I mean, I've always been a history
buff a conspiracy, not all the above and This is
not something that I had ever really done more of
a curse research on until you brought it up when
we were talking yesterday, and I'm like, yeah, and then
I started looking at it today. You can ask Amish
in our discord. The first thing I typed was holy shit. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
See, like I said, I remembered hearing all this, but
you know, my brain just put it into Tonkin, you know,
because boats that's the d D thing and it's the
CIA that was always fucking castro. But yeah, and you
to your point too, Rick. You know I say this often.
I should say this more often on this show. But
you just because your team's uh call in the plays

(01:05:33):
right now doesn't mean you should fall asleep. And you know, question,
keep question. When we were in school, we were taught
by the hippies who taught us to question everything. Well
that was to their destriment because we did question everything
and we found out you're full of shit. So yeah,
well that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Well, that was That was actually kind of twofold though,
because not only they teach us the question every thing,
then we got old enough to understand that the fallout
shelter that they told us our desk was was a
lying thing, and then we really stopped trusting everyone because'
and I've had this conversation on multiple shows lately, because

(01:06:15):
I before we started moving around the country, I was
three miles from a primary target. We were from kindergarten
until second grade. Every morning it was Pledge of Allegiance
announcements and fallout drill. So every morning I hiding under
my desk, ducking and covering. And then I got old
enough and started realizing what nuclear fallout would actually do.
And I'm like, you are a bunch of lying sons

(01:06:37):
of bitches because cover your head so you don't go blind.
And then thirty seconds later, I'm melting because I'm three
miles from a nuclear blast. That's why anybuddy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Detroit. I grew up in suburban Detroit. I mean, if
there was an attack, we were going to be the
first one hit because of the auto factories, because if
something happens, they're going to convert the auto factories into
making munitions.

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
If you look at Detroit now, it was the first
one hit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Pretty much.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
I had, uh, you know, I I was kind of
the asshole in school. I know, shocking, right, but I
remember asking, you know, if this desk is so awesome
that it can save me from an earthquake and a
nuclear blast. Why don't they just build a school out
of the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
That sounds like ques, that sounds like I look at
it because they always say, because I'm gen X, that
we were the first ones to have computers in the classroom,
And I say, yeah, and we were the last ones
to duck and cover.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah, but everything leads into everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I mean, yeah, we all assumed we were going to
be dead before we were twenty. That's why most of
us don't have retirements.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I definitely didn't think i'd be here right now. Oh
that's why just one thing, the mean thing I did
want to touch on from the apathy that we were
speaking about earlier. One of the things that bothers me
the most. And I know that you gentlemen don't know
my history. I have run for office in the United States.

(01:08:14):
I ran for local office in my hometown. I didn't win.
I did lose in the primary because imagine that the
corporations and the police and the fire departments were all
donating to the other guys because I had ideas they
didn't like. But the thing that bothered me most when
I was in that primary election. The turnout for that

(01:08:35):
primary election was thirteen percent. And what people don't realize
is they sit and bitch about national politics all day,
is that your local politics is what's affecting your day
to day life. Your property taxes, your garbage being picked up,
your water, the things that actually matter to you on
a day to day basis are being covered mostly in

(01:08:56):
your local politics. And most people, ninety eight percent of them,
they only vote in the presidential elections, and they don't
realize how bad they're fucking themselves doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Oh It's something I've been trying to tell already for
a long time, because you know, the I mean, look
in the national politics is how it is how I
make my money. I mean, that's what I write about,
is what I do a lot of my shows about.
But I'm also really involved in local politics because you know,
local politics is where the where the real change is made.
And that was actually one of my points in the

(01:09:29):
midterms when everybody was freaking out because there wasn't the
red wave that everybody was expecting, but it really was
kind of a red well spring though, because there were
lots of sea changes in school boards and everything else,
So there were changes that were happening where it really mattered,
not necessarily where we needed instant gratification. And I think
that's part of what's led to the electorate shifting as

(01:09:49):
much as it has been, because there's actually there's actually
been an eight point swing in our direction in the
last four years, because it was plus six four years
ago for the other side, it was plus two for
us this time. And that's because I think we started
some people have started figuring out that if you make
the changes locally that you need to make, it can
actually help you make the changes nationally you need to make.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
And I mean they take it very seriously because when
I ran for office here, I shook the tree enough
to where they had politically connected people parking down the
street from my house and staring my wife down in
the street to try to scare and intimidate us out
of it. Because there's just as much money coming through
your city as obviously not nationally. But I mean, my

(01:10:40):
city has like one hundred and fifty million dollars a
year budget. It's not tittley winks to where they're getting
their hands on their money, and they don't want to
let it go and everybody's asleep. Like I said, in
that primary election, it was thirteen percent of the people.
I'm like, eighty seven percent of you don't care about
your property.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Really, don't even get me started on the fact that
we have property Texas to begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Agreed, agreed, But at least then if you're voting for
the people that are helping decide your assessments, at least
you have some control over the people that are actually
doing it. But if you don't care, they're just going
to keep raising them and you're gonna bitch and then
you're gonna go vote for president and do nothing about
it in your local community. And that's not the way

(01:11:27):
to go. People have to start being far less apathetic,
start paying attention to what's going on, first in their
local community, then in their county, then in their state,
and then federal. They're all important. None of them are
not important. They're all important.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Well, what I think a lot of people are figuring
out is gen X has two settings. We have apathy
and nihilism. Our apathy went away and now we're being
very nihilistic and we're only taking care of ourselves and
those we care about, and that means if you're in
our way, we're going to take care of you too.
Oh all right, jense I don't know about you, guys,

(01:12:07):
but I don't know how much more my voice can do.

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
So you've been, uh been, Yeah, you talked a lot
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Well yeah, especially for lately because for like two weeks
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Do anything i'd planned for two hours. But I definitely
don't want you to hurt your voice. So but I mean,
if there's anything else you did want to cover before
you signed off, I'm happy to stay or else. I'm
happy to thank you both for the opportunity to come
on your show and try to help inform the public
about the hell that's going on in our lives. And

(01:12:41):
I've had a blast. I'm having a blast now. I see.
We've got some actually really bright people, some really funny
people in the chat and M D. Campbell just saying
good night. It was a lot of fun. I really
appreciate you guys having me on, and I definitely would
want to come back and do it again any other topic.

(01:13:03):
I could sit here all night and talk to you guys,
because there's nothing better than talking to an informed friend.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
So the one thing I do want to do with
the last couple of minutes before we start doing the
usual closings, is is there anything else that you want
to touch on on the topic and then feel free
to tell everybody where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I mean, I think we've actually we went forward from
a lot of it, but I think when we came in,
I laid everything down pretty good to where people are
able to find the information if not. As I said before,
I am going by Data Hawk on X at Data
Hawk Jazz Jay. I am gonna post a lot of

(01:13:46):
the stuff that I actually put into my plan tonight
to where if any of the viewers that are on
here want to come on, I'll have it all into
text files so they can take a look at it.
As I said earlier, I am working on a book
that's going to be a critical deconstruction. It's going to
be part memoir because a lot of the reasons why
I'm in this, as I said earlier, is because of

(01:14:07):
the death of my father, because of his zeroic service
in Vietnam. To where it's going to take us right
from where America started to die, right when they started
the Federal Reserve. It's going to go through Tonight's topic
in Northwoods. It's going to go through JFK and it's
going to go all the way into today and try
to show everybody without people being able to assail it

(01:14:30):
as conspiracy theory. It'll be all backed up by facts
and they can go, well, I can go and look
at that. Yeah you can. It's all been there forever.
You just got to go and actually be willing to
take a look at the information. And that's why I'm
working on the book. That's why I said, hey, do
you guys take guests on your show, because I'd love

(01:14:51):
to come on and talk about this stuff. Because I mean,
my wife, she'll sit there and she says, you might
think he's crazy, but doubt them at your fucking peril.
Because I hate to say it, because we didn't really
touch on COVID too much tonight. But I have a

(01:15:12):
small family. Every person in my family that took that shot,
they're dead. The only people in my family that are
still alive or pure blooded. Everybody else is dead. That's great. Yeah,
I mean my stepfather. My mother was widowed again after

(01:15:32):
my father's death from age and orange. It sounds really bad,
but my father and I will be murdered by Monsanto
and dow Chemical, and my stepfather was murdered by Johnson
and Johnson, And that really hits hard when you put
the human element behind it, that people are out here

(01:15:55):
losing lives. The shit's important people. And that's the main
reason why I appreciate you guys letting me come on
and let me sit on your platform tonight and talk,
because there's nothing more interesting than real life people. TV
just don't do it. This is the greatest story ever told,
and you're part of it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
Well, that's why they call what you see on TV
programming exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Oh, there's there's a whole of there's a whole other juxtaposition.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
You know, and that we haven't done. I'm the next juxtaposition.
Now to your earlier point, you know, talking about our chat.
We've got the best listeners and we've got the best
chat people. They they are smart and informed, and they'll
jump in and correct us if we uh, if we
got something wrong. They're the first ones to correct us
before we even get the sentence out of our mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
We must have been good. We must have been good,
because I didn't see anybody correct us except for one.
We we did. We did need to say ships. He
was right, they were not boats, they were ships. That
was the only correction I saw though. I think we uh,
I think we fucking nailed guys. Yeah, but yeah, I've
had a real pleasure. And I know your voice is

(01:17:06):
going and you need to wrap it up, but it
was great and really thanks again for the opportunity to
come on and talk to your listeners this evening.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Not a problem at all. Like I said, we do
this all the time, and I do about twenty hours
of shows a week, so if you ever want to
come on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
You know I'm on disability so I'm always available.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
All right, folks, I think we are going to go
ahead and get out of here. I want to thank
everybody for hanging out with us this evening. As far
as what's going on for tomorrow night, I don't really
know because I've been off on Sundays for a while.
I'll be back Monday night doing America off the Reels
because I still haven't heard from the ladies of the
Red One yet. And then of course Tuesday through Friday,
Rick Robinson's showing noon to three Eastern time Tuesday night,

(01:17:48):
hanging out with the Man, Hanging around with the Man,
Aram the panel, and that's all I'm saying for now,
because otherwise I'll keep talking for another five minutes. You
can find me and follow along with me at Roddy
Rick seventy three, find me and our network at kaylaar
And Radio and our new news arm at Digital Week
in US and I'm just where can folks find you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
My guy?

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Well, because I have been around on Sundays. There's not
a Vincent Charles project tomorrow, but I'm correct Jeff is
doing part two of his ITC on Origin Stories of
the Origins of a Creation Creation MSS and I will
be on tomorrow night too, so me. You can find
me surprisingly still as Ordinance Packard on X. Still haven't

(01:18:26):
got my monetization reinstated, but you know anyway. Uh, you
can find me on Tuesday night on uh Manorama panel
Rank or Steve's Rumble channel here on X and Calor
and Radio with you and Jeff and Vincent and Steve
and random Canadian from time to time. And you can
find me next Wednesday with you on Rick and Ordy.

(01:18:49):
Yeah there is an l oh LW tomorrow, Okay, great, Yeah,
Lost Wonder tomorrow, Thanks Jeff, And uh, where was I oh,
and no culture shift anything this week, so I'll be
back with you next Saturday on the next juxtaposition as
we resign our normal day and time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
All right, so one one bit of programming from on off,
we decide we don't want to do makeups the bump
The bump stocks have moved for in an hour, so
it's it's in perfect alignment now. I just didn't worry
about moving anything around because we'd already scheduled the caest.
So so we if we want to play catch up
since we've missed a couple we can do that for
a little bit, because I think they're going to have

(01:19:27):
me working every Saturday for a few weeks too, so.

Speaker 7 (01:19:31):
Might as well go on flood the podcast scrapers with
Juxtaposition to make up for a couple of months that
we've kind of we've fucked it off between the holidays
and being sick.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Hey, we actually got one in last month too, so
we did.

Speaker 7 (01:19:45):
And that was a good one too, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I didn't hear any coughing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
That's because we're experts at muting. You've got beautiful Brick
and I are both sympathetic yawners, so we're pretty quick
on the mute, so we don't get the other one
yawning and at.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
And oddly enough when them sick. I'm a sympathetic cover
tube because that's terrible. But anyway, all right, we are
going to get out of here, ladies and gentlemen. The
podcast audio version of this will be up on Spreaker
momentarily and out to the rest of the podcast scrapers
around the world within an hour or so, so if
you're just joining us, you can also find the replay

(01:20:20):
right here on x on Rumble, and on YouTube, but
the audio versions are monetized, so please at least go
click that one once, just saying bye everybody. And I
don't know why I'm playing this one instead of the
actual outro, but we're leaving anyway. No hailing of the hybrid.
We've had this discussion.