03-22-21 Madela Effect Update 2025 part 1

Rick and The Amish One return the discussion to a fan favorite The Mandela Effect. Since they have a new audience on X and Rumble they decided to back things up and do a prime, whether you're an old hat with this one it just hearing about it for the first time, this one is fun and there's more next week.

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The true distinct, same memory takes his soul the butt
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Speaker 8 (05:20):
Let's do the mandala again.

Speaker 9 (05:25):
Let's do the man.

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Speaker 1 (05:47):
Let's do them and welcome into this episode, a special
episode of Juxtaposition makeup episode. This was supposed to be
last week, but now we've figured out that we have
so much to talk about it may actually become a
two parter. So we're here, we're live, and I guess
we shall see. This is Sophie. This was put together
by our our programming director Jeff and our resident like

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new music guy that's just going nuts with it and
doing amazing things. There was more there than I wanted
to play as an opener, so we may actually play
that as one of the breaks. And I see you
guys can hear the whole thing. So anyway, we're here,
we're live, and I think Amish's mic is hot now
it should be anyway, Yeah, I'm here, all right. How
you doing, man? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know I'm doing well? And this is absolutely gonna
have to be a two partner because you know, it's
like we were talking about this morning, if we just
focus on our favorites for this one, I mean, that's
that's all right.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean, well, we focus on the favorites and the
new ones like I just found I just found one
you did just now, just now I'm going through Facebook
and I'm like, I never heard of this shit before?
What is this?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
All right, Well, we'll add that in. We can save
it for because next week we got the uh nineteen
eighty nine anomaly to go along with it too, and
cern and all the fun fuckery that goes with this topic.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well yeah, Well the thing about it is there's just
like there's tons of there's tons of things that tie
into the nineteen eighty nine stuff, So there's all kinds
of different offshoots we could kind of take with it too.
And I was like, that's why I think we should
just kind of do like the straight up Mandela because
the night, once we get into the nineteen eighty nine stuff,
it could pour down into like fourteen to fifteen different
rabbit holes with all the new stuff coming out. So yeah,

(07:25):
so yeah, I mean we could probably have enough topics
for the next six or seven shows just off of
this one offshoot.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Next week, well we'll bleed him in. We'll bleed him
into a couple of shows to see how it goes.
But yeah, yeah, on the eighteen night, the nineteen eighty
nine anomaly that that's preoccupied my brain pan for the
last few days.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Same and that's why I tagged you with that. I
was like just scrolling last night and I'm like, wait,
did he did he just say what I think he said?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And then AL hit us, I mean totally again, how like,
you know, all three of us, Win us, Al and
uh Jeff, we're all on the same night, and we'd
unintentionally bleed the topics between the shows, Like without even knowing,
you and I have been talking about the nineteen eighty
nine anomaly. He throws us the ninety ninety nine effect. Yeah, yeah,

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so but this is all I mean. For those of
you new to the topic and new to the show,
this will all be explained. But yeah, we're we're just
throwing shorthand right now.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
So yeah, I mean, for anybody who's new to the idea.
The Mandela effect is of course named after Nelson Mandela
because the very first instance of this phenomenon is that
certain people remember him dying and yet continuing to be
alive simultaneously, depending upon who you ask. And this is
all linked back to CERN itself actually is Yeah, why

(08:49):
I blame CERN for everything bad that ever happens.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
We gotta get it. We gotta you know, now that
we can do video, we've got to get the CERN.
We are happy video too, because describing it when we
did the when we did it last anyway, Yeah, so
the Mandela effect. The phrase was coined by a paranormal
researcher named Fiona Brum and where it came from was
that she was at a conference and she was talking

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with several people and they all remember the anti apartheid
leader Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the eighties, and
they seemed to be a little shocked to find out
that not only didn't he die, but he was the
South African president. Now in this Mandela fact, there's actually
two of them, because other people remember that he did

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get out of prison in the early nineties and then
he died before becoming president, and they were shocked in
twenty thirteen when Nelson Mandela finally actually did die this
time and all the world leaders went to his state
funeral and it was like a big deal because Obama

(09:55):
was there and then you had the sign language guy Fantastic.
So that's how they that's how it got its name,
is that it's theorized that it's people from different timelines,
that something happened where timelines merged, and that's the basis,
you know, the main core behind the Mandela effect, because

(10:16):
as we go through them tonight, a lot of people
remember it one way and a lot of people remember
it the other way. Even on the show, Rick and
I remember specific events differently in a couple instances.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Because I'm from the right timeline and you're not. Okay,
you don't even argue about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't, I don't. It just just whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I don't care anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You know it is. And the other thing is, this
was another one of those topics that you know when
you started the show, and this was actually the third
show we did. Was the first time I was a
guest on it before I became a co host. Was
you'd started the show with a noticing, hey, when did
UFO has become mainstream? And why did nobody tell you?
And that was because Tucker Carlson was doing a serious

(11:02):
story on UFOs, like a legitimate news story. And this
is one of those things too that people just accept
time wise. It's in the collective consciousness where you people
will say, this is the worst fucking timeline. No, this
is the best time. You know it's so yeah, it's
it's kind of a joke, but it's also acceptance into

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the were they to find out that would totally track
in their head.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Cannon, Yeah, it's become part of the lexicon.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
The funny thing about right now is depending on your
political slant, each feels a different way about this current timeline.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Right well, I mean even I mean ever since we
first did the show, I said, this is the second
worst timeline. The only reason it's not the worst is
we have cinnamon toast crunch.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
This is you know what I miss? I miss fringe
toast crunch. Where the hell did that go?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know what? I The one I don't miss was
truro Crunch and it was just too thick. It was just, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Jinks, Jinks.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
You owe me some coke.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I don't. I don't think when you say coke and
I say coke, we're talking about the same things and
I can't afford.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You or not unless just the coke and then we're
on the same page. But it's you know, with this
with the Nel Sandela thing too, getting back to that too,
is that a lot of people distinctly remember the funeral
in the nineties, They remember their history books talking about
Nelson Mandela dying. So it's no artifacts have been produced,

(12:35):
and when we talk about artifacts, there are still some
things where you get it both ways. And you know,
we'll talk about that with one of these two where
both both both things are real. They all the artifacts,
the you know, the one way or the other, whichever
the timeline is choosing, have not all bled out yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's just it's it's it's just there's there's this whole weird,
like actual just theory behind the whole thing that what's
actually happening is a bunch of alternate universes are collapsing together,
and I'm wondering how much of that is accurate, because
it is weird, because, like I said, even just today,
just scrolling through Facebook, I saw something that I don't

(13:20):
ever remember seeing seeing before, and it's just I'm like, wait,
we had those wins. I don't ever remember hearing or
seeing anything about those. But it's it's so, it's just
it's just this whole thing, and it's it's it's not
it's not even the major thing. Some of us like
the little things like you know the one that Jeff
mentions in the song I grew up listener, I grew

(13:43):
up reading Barren Stain and now it's Berenstein And I'm like, no,
it's not, because I remember that too. That's like, this
is this is the song that never ends. Apparently that's
not how that goes.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah and yeah, And there's a lot of them too.
It is yeah, it's is it Jeff or is it
Jeffy peanut butter?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Now it's Jeff. But I do remember Jiffy.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I do remember Jiffy as well, So I mean it's
I mean, there are absolutely tons of them. So do
you want to go with the ones that are like
the easy you know, the ones that are just a
misremembrance or there's an explanation behind misremembering it, or.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Write our favorite where you want to go?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'm just here making fart noises.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, you're you're an equal host in this show. Serves
you go first.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm doing the food bar thing.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
So there is no we can get to.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
We can get to the Queen. Let's do the Queen one.
Did you did you have that? Uh? I think I
dropped it. But where this one comes from? You got it?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I think? So hang on, I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Like, did I put that on discord? Or are we
just going to talk about Oh?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I don't see that one?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, So the Queen, the one with Queen is the
song we are on.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I misunderstood what you mean? Yes, I have that one?
Hang on, my bad I misunderstood what you meant, and
I is there, Yeah, there's a clip in it. Hang on.
The problem is I didn't like doing crazy stuff again.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I don't worry about it. So anyway, what it is
is it comes from the uh, the song we Are
the Champions by Queen and where the Mendel effect comes from.
As there was an episode of Car Carry Okay, I
believe it was George Clooney, Julia Roberts, and I think
when Stefani was in it too, and they were all
belting out, you know, Queen's we are the Champions, and

(15:53):
when it comes to the last line with we are
the Champions, it just stops. But everybody in the car
sings we are the World and it wasn't there, and
they start freaking out in the cab and you know,
because it's like and the version that we all remember
too from like you know, People of Our Age was

(16:15):
from the end of Revenge of the Nerds, yep, and
uh that also had the of the World in it.
And the reason why this isn't a Mandela fact and
I know a lot of people still kind of freak
out about this is that in the studio version, it
just ends it doesn't say of the world, but at
the Live Aid concert Alive it does, and that's the

(16:40):
one that was the most played version of Queens We
Are the Champions throughout most of the eighties. Any rock
station was going to play that live version because it
was what it was. It's the it's the best version.
And so basically with this one, it comes down to
Freddie Mercury's mood. If he was going to finish the

(17:01):
song with we are the Champions or we are the
Champions of the World.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, I mean it makes sense for him to do
it in that instance though, because I mean, look at
the concert he was at, so of course he's.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Right, yeah, I mean yeah in that and all that
positive energy and everything going on, and yeah, totally. But
uh so, yeah, that one's technically not a Mandela effect.
That's just there's multiple versions of the song and depending
upon when you heard it is entirely dependent upon your
the DJ or Freddie Mercury's mood.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
So there's another one that falls into this, and we've
actually we were actually talking about this one a couple
of months ago. I'll be home for Christmas, God damn. Yeah, yeah,
everybody from everybody that I know remembers the version where
he says, I'll be home for Christmas, you can count

(17:53):
on me. But then now on YouTube there's the version
where it says plan on me, and everybody was freaking
out because it's that's not how that all goes. What
the hell said? Yeah, I guess what. It's a regional
dialect thing. There were two different versions of the song recorded,
and depending on where you were at and which which
way you said it, that's the one you typically heard.

(18:14):
That was That was before everything started soaking in everywhere
because there were different There were actually different tweaks of
certain songs that would happen in the studios depending on
where they were being released at, so they would be
more common with the colloquial. Colloquial language that happens to
be one of them.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, for those of you who heard the anime, it
was a vocalization at the time where they actually did
it with music too.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
But yeah, so it was just it was one of
those things and everybody, and honestly, it freaked me out
at first two and I was like, wait a minute,
So I actually started doing a deep dive and that's
when I realized there were two different there were two
different versions of the song, and depending on where you
were at in the country, you typically heard one or
the other. So that is this is another one that
is not actually a Mandela effect, but had a lot

(18:55):
of people pissed off.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
An another one of those, and I forgot about this one.
So I'm gonna do this one completely from memory. Was
beats by Dre.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Wait, I'll just throw it. I'll just throw a wrench in.
Our explanation is to wed the world. Yeah, yeah, apparently
he's never heard it that way.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Uh you get that's for him, our resident musician. That's unbelievable.
And if I start finding out that of the world
doesn't exist out there anymore, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
To flip a table. Or could it be that Al's
from a different universe where it didn't exist originally and
now he was just joining us.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
He's just joining the program. This version of Al's just
joining the program.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I have one question, though, where's the other version of Al?
Where did he go?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I think they annihilate each other? And then a new
one is I don't know, or the dominant n I
don't know. I'll have to dig into that one. What
happens to the people when the timelines collide. So anyway,
beats by Drey. Everybody notice beats by Dre. All the
ads said beats by Dre, but people remembered beats by
Doctor Dre. And the reason for that it was a

(20:07):
you know, and people say, look, man, I I worked
at it like a Sam Goodie, you know, I worked
at a you know, a store. We sold those. It
was it was beats by Dre or it was beats
by Doctor Dre. The box head beats by Doctor Drey
on it. The actual headphones just said beats by Dre.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
That just seemed Why would that that just seemed that's
just weird anyway, Why would you Why would you have
different lettering on the box than you do the actual
That's just weird. I don't know. Yeah, maybe maybe there
well there's more space, so he wants Dre on Doctor
Dre on the box. Maybe that's what that was.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I mean, beat by Dre just sounds cooler. You're throwing
the box away anyway, unless you're hoarding him like Nikes
and something. You know. Yeah, you know, so, so what's yours.
Let's start with you. It's one of your favorite Since
we got.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Those out of the way, well, so one of my
favorites still has to be you like me, you really
really like me. The Sally Field moment that everyone here
heard and apparently is not actually what she said.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Right Yeah, now that one. I mean, we've all seen it.
It's even parodied in The Mask and lots of other places.
Sally Field wins an oscar, also Sally Field of Sally Fields,
because depending upon which timeline, anyway, she wins an oscar.
She goes up on stage, she's holding it up and
she says, you like me, you really really like me.

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But if you go to the tape, she says you
like me right now, you really like me, which doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
That doesn't even make sense though, Yeah, that's that's the
that's the part that just just gnaws it my brain
because I'm like, that doesn't that doesn't that's that's not
even good English. For one, for two, that doesn't even
make any sense.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, exactly. And that's the thing with a lot of
these Mendel effects is linguistically relevant. You know, they don't
make sense on many many levels, even in like context.
You know, so it's like, why would she say it
right now? You really like me? Well, I mean, yeah,

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you got an oscar, but still you The other way
makes more sense and would be something that you would
say more likely to say when you're jubilant. You like me,
you really really like me, You wouldn't be thinking about
you know, my cultural relevance is going to be measured
with an egg timer.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I'm just I'm just like this this. Yeah. Well
especially then though, because I mean I can almost see
it kind of being that way now because everybody's so
prescient of the fact that you know, I'm famous right now,
but it might not last forever. They didn't think about
stuff like that back then, because once you got to
a certain point, you just kind of knew you were
going to be a household name for as long as

(23:04):
you were going to be a household name. So right,
So yeah, that that and again the linguistics of that
one really bugged me because it just makes no sense none.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah. So you know, I'm gonna grab a short one
because we're about to go to the first break.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh yeah, it is about that time.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
And yeah, yeah, we've been we've been Kivinsen quite a bit.
So this one always kind of vexed me. And this
actually ties in the one we'll we talked about later too.
Was the uh, the Lindbergh baby mystery. Oh yeah, that
one's yeah, that one because okay, so cast back March first,

(23:54):
nineteen thirty two. Charles Lindbergh, national hero, kind of you
know everybody, everybody, the best known pilot for you know,
all of his antics on the plane. Someone in that
night breaks into the house, uh, steals twenty month old
Charles Junior and climbs out the ladder and leaves a

(24:17):
ransom note for fifty thousand dollars. It's dubbed the crime
of the century. Uh. The nation is obsessed. And then
here's where everybody agrees that happened. Here's where it gets weird.
After that, it wasn't two weeks later that the baby's

(24:38):
body was discovered, or sorry, two months later, the baby's
body was discovered in a shallow grave. It was discovered
by a truck driver. And there was a German carpenter
named uh Bruno Hopton who was arrested with some of
the ransom money. He's convicted and executed in nineteen three six.

(25:01):
That's the end of the story. But a lot of people,
myself included, the Limberg baby was never found. It has
been referenced many, many, many many times in pop culture,
where people including Grandpa Simpson joking, I am the Limburg Baby.

(25:22):
It was a staple of eighty sitcoms. There were I
think an unsolved mysteries on it, which was in search
of with Leonard Nimoy. I think they did one.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
See, this is one of those things that we misremember,
that we remember differently because you remember it with Leonard Nimoy.
I actually do remember it with the stag dude from
the other one.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, well, I couldn't remember this one show or the other,
so I was hedging my bets with either or That's
why I mentioned both. But so yeah, for me, it
has always been the Lindberg Baby was never found. And
this one blows my mind. When I found out, actually
when I found out that this was a Mandela fact
years ago, I'm like, how can this be? You know,

(26:03):
how can this be a Mandela fact? And finding out
that in this timeline, the Lindberg Baby was found relatively soon,
which doesn't really make it a mystery. It doesn't make
sense for it to be called the Lindbergh Baby mystery
because I was pretty much an open in this timeline
wasn't open and shutcase. Baby was kidnapped, baby was murdered,

(26:24):
dude was found with ransom money, dude was executed. That's
not a mystery.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I mean, if that's how you remember it, it definitely
wouldn't be a mystery. But speaking of a mystery, I've
got a quick one. Then we'll take the break, because
this one floored me because this is one I hadn't
heard of before. But apparently there are certain segments of
our population. Remember the show Night Writer, you know, Apparently
there are fans of the nineteen eighties TV show Night

(26:55):
Writer who sometimes swear they remember that the sentient car
kid it was physically had an automaton sitting behind the
string wheel in human like fashion. And yeah, yeah, kind
of like auto from Airplane, but more realistic looking. And
I will say, I don't ever remember that, but it's

(27:16):
weird that some people will apparently do.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I have no memory of that either. But having said that,
wasn't that the thing in like automan?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah kind of not not really sort of wasn't like
that though, Yeah, I mean, I know what you're talking about.
It's just that was that it was he was Automan
was like a computerized dude.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Though.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
It was like it was like Tron but lower but
different budget.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It was weird lower you could say lower.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, sort of. But yeah, so that that one kind
of fored me when I saw there are a couple
of a couple of different ones in here that are
supposedly well known, then I'm like, I don't remember that
one either.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
So yeah, that one's incomprehensible to me.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, that one just seems weird.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just I don't see.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
But you know, anyway, all right, you ready to go
and take the first break. We're getting pretty close anyway.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, I've already gone through a beer. This might be
a three beer show.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Might be a three beer show, all right. So what
we're gonna do for the first break, at least for
part of it anyway, I'm depending on if we're both
back in time, is play the entirety of this cool
ass song that Jeff put together for us. Because I
didn't I couldn't use the entire three minutes, three minutes
and thirty seconds as an intro, So we're gonna back
it up and let you guys hear the whole thing.

(28:40):
So that's what we're gonna do. For this first break.
So here you go, folks again. You can think Jeff
for this one, as well as the new juxtaposition theme
and a few others that he's done lately, except apparently
I still have the volume down one moment. All right,
we'll be right back.

Speaker 13 (29:01):
It's confounding, true dis dating. Memory takes his toll. But
think back, closing up very much longer, realities lost all.
I remember reading Berenstein, but now it's Berenstein. The past
keeps from shifting and questioning my brain.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Let's do the mandela again.

Speaker 9 (29:28):
Let's do the landol.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
It's just a slip in your.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Mind, Landais in the time, your memory take a twist.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
Now the beast Sosa line?

Speaker 9 (29:46):
Was it loony suons? Or looney suons? All this time?

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Let's do the mandela again.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
Let's do the mandela.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
When I was going through the net, just scratching my head.

Speaker 14 (30:05):
When a rabbit or there's filled me with try did
the monopoly man have a monocle?

Speaker 13 (30:11):
Not the world as I do, It is all the
gods and stuck and that's what I sold.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
Time feels broked.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
I'm not alone.

Speaker 8 (30:24):
Let's do the mandola again.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Let's do the mandolim.

Speaker 8 (30:32):
Again, it's just a.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
Slip in your mind and a rich in the time.
You'll never take the twist? Now, the fact don't a line?
Was it Luke I.

Speaker 8 (30:48):
Am your father or something else?

Speaker 9 (30:51):
Entirety?

Speaker 8 (30:52):
Let's do the Mandela fugain, Let's.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
Do the mandola?

Speaker 14 (31:00):
Yes, but from off the loom didn't have a cornicopia
sing bastining phil?

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Was that a crazy don't.

Speaker 13 (31:14):
Be a but truth week thoughts we knew is altered
in surreal realit sa rewired?

Speaker 15 (31:23):
How did this up?

Speaker 8 (31:28):
It's just a slipt in your life and.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
A good in the time your memories.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Take the twist?

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Now the facts donta line? Are resist same timelines?

Speaker 16 (31:42):
Or is it not?

Speaker 9 (31:43):
Stay about?

Speaker 8 (31:44):
Let's do the mandela fugain.

Speaker 9 (31:50):
Let's do the mandola.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
And welcome back baby?

Speaker 17 (32:10):
Want to do Apparently.

Speaker 16 (32:13):
There was.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Okay and now it's officially done. There there was a
little talality in there. I didn't never hear that before.
All right, anyway, did we just have a mandela effect
with the song?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Maybe? Who knows? All right?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Anyway, so we're back. Hope everybody had time to maybe
get up, grab a drink, stretch your legs, maybe smoke
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It helps us get past these dreaded algorithms, because whether
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(32:55):
I kind of feel like that, Yeah, I kind of
feel like that's a matter.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I was irritated again.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Oh I know, I saw, oh all right, so where
do you want to go next?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
The one, okay, where I want to go is the
one that still absolutely freaks me out, and that is
the that is the one surrounding Black Tom Island. Now,
if you're not familiar with it, and I've talked to
people who remember both sides of it, both people, you know,

(33:32):
people say oh, yeah, no, I totally remember that from history,
and you know, so what happened on Black Tom Island.
Black Top Island is a small island near the Statue
of Liberty close to New Jersey that on July thirtieth,
nineteen sixteen, two German savagers get we were using it

(33:53):
as an AMMO dump. We were feeding europe ammunition out
of there for to help fight. Well, we're one. Two
German sabageers snuck onto the island and detonated the ammo dump.
This was one of the largest AMMO dumps at the time.
It was one of the largest conventional explosions ever prior

(34:14):
to the MOAB and it shattered windows across all of
Manhattan and was reportedly felt as far away as Philadelphia.
I have never heard of it. I don't remember a
thing about it in history, and I'm kind of you know,
I do enjoy my history. Fast forward to September eleventh,

(34:36):
two thousand and one, in the World Trade Center attack.
You would think that it would have been mentioned once.
And at the time I was a graveyard bartender who
was pretty much glued to Fox News from nine to
eleven until halfway through the Gulf War, and I do
not remember a single utterance of it, no reference to it. Nothing. Also,

(35:03):
because of this, in the explosion, the Statue of Liberty.
Liberty was damaged and to this day you can still
not climb up the arm that has the torch on it.
I vividly remember seeing pictures of people climbing up the
arm when they renovated the Statue of Liberty in the

(35:24):
eighties under Reagan. They didn't repair this. They it just
you know, they had the whole thing wrapped in scaffolding,
working on a top to bottom. They didn't repair any
of the damage to the arm while doing that. I mean,
they had a great opportunity. And I remember the scene

(35:47):
at the end of Remo Williams the adventure begins when
he's up in the torch as well, and apparently that's
a no no. So how did they film that? And
this one it just still vexes me. This is also
one of the leading causes we entered the war World

(36:09):
War One. I was always told it was the Lusitania.
Not once do I remember ever hearing about Black tom Island.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, I've never heard about this one either, honestly, kind
of when you first brought it up again the first
time we talked about this one, this one for you
to be the hell out, Yeah, I remember this and
yeah at all.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, and it just it, I mean, it just completely
vexes me that. I mean, I've talked to people who say,
you know, people who you know remember the way I
you know, remember it, who say they have climbed up
the arm of the Statue of Liberty, and I've seen
photos of people climbing up the arm of statue. I

(36:52):
remember when like again, when they were renovating it. That
was kind of like all the things show your memories of,
you know, the Statue Liberty and people, you know, climb
I remember climbing up the armor shit. You know, that
was kind of a big thing. That was kind of
like the Tault. Anyway. Yeah, no, no memory at all.
You know. I talked to me. They said, well, maybe

(37:12):
it's just a regional thing because I grew up in
the area and I've heard of it. Yes, but no,
I mean no the first I by the way, the
first time I heard of it was six years old.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well yeah, sure, that's just well, that's just it, even
if it's a regional thing. You know, there were people
in New York covering what was happening in New York
for nine to eleven, and none of them thought dimention this.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, it's like, you know, the worst attack on New
York City since Black tom Island in nineteen sixteen. You know,
I mean, I know at the body I get it.
The body count was actually kind of low. There was
only like seven depending upon summer ports. Between seven and
a couple dozen people aren't killed, but still blowing out
most of the windows in Manhattan. That's gotta you know,

(38:05):
raise a footnote in history.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
You would think, you know at least a footnote somewhere.
But yeah, anyway, See, you're like already getting into the
heavy ones and I'm still trying to focus on the
funny ones.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
No, I just want to because every time I want
to do that one is right before we get into
a break. So I wanted to make sure we had
time to cover it before I wanted to hit it early.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
So no, no, I get it. I'm just teasing you.
But yeah, So one of the ones that drives me
absolutely crazy because I was I was a huge Scooby
Doo fan growing up was Shaggy's Adam's Apple because apparently,
depending on what universe you're from, he either had one
or he didn't. I seem to remember.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Apple, yeah always, that was part of that was part
of the gag, the Adams Apple, you know, going up
in the throat, you like when you're scared, going up
early high with the zoinks.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, but apparently in this universe he doesn't. But yeah,
so many fans of the classic cartoon Scooby Doo vividly
recalls Shaggy, the lanky, snack loving character, having a prominent
Adam's apple, especially noticeable when he gulps in fear or
swallows a giant sandwich. However, upon reviewing the original series,

(39:22):
Shaggy's neck lacks this exaggerated feature. Not when I watched it,
I'm just saying it's good stim So yeah, I mean,
it's just I'm just yeah, I remember him. It was
always a thing because it made his It made his
skinny ass neck look even funnier because it was like
looking at the turkey.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I remember that, right, Yeah, it's yeah, I just sinkly
remember that one too.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
That's yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you're a little I will admit,
because yeah, I've even like because my my granddaughter, who's
was four and now is five, is really starting to
get into Scooby Doo. So we've been watching a lot
of it. And every time I watched it, I'm like

(40:10):
he had. And I don't mean, I'm not saying it
out loud because I don't want her to be Papa
was going crazy mom, But yeah, I'm like, where did
the atoms apple go? Every time I watch an episode.
First thing I think is where did the atoms apple go?
Where did it go?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Where's the fudgical bart you said there was gonna.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Be ah oh so but yeah, so that one. That one,
honestly is probably one of the highest ones on my
list because it's one of the first ones that freaked
me out because I noticed that a long time ago
when I was watching the cartoons again and I was like, wait,
did they change something? Because I don't know where his

(40:47):
Adam's apple went. But every time we do this, I
started thinking of Fringe the Red Universe versus the Blue Universe.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right, Yeah, that kind of kind of goes along with
it too, because you know, the realities are colliding.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh you know.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
One of the more popular ones and the ones that
it kind of sticks with me because I want to say,
I remember it, but I'm not as adamant as other
people are, and that is the alleged sindbad movie Shazam.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh Yeah, I remember this one.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, apparently there was a lot of people remember and
you know, at the time that this was released, I
you know, was in college and working in video stores.
And that's why I want to say, seems familiar, but
apparently there was a genie movie starring Sindbad called Shazam.

(41:46):
People remember it vividly, They remember watching it on HBO,
they remember seeing it in Blockbuster Video. They at the time,
it totally seems like the I mean, Sinbad was hot
then and it would have been the kind of project
that he had done. Doesn't exist, not out there, not

(42:09):
in this universe, not in this universe. Now, a lot
of people say that they are confusing the movie with
Shaquille O'Neil's genie movie Kaze. No they're not, which you know, Okay, yes,
I see that. But at the time too, and those

(42:29):
of you who were around video stores and you know,
direct a video and you know, all those the heyday
of cable, you would know that when one studio was
working on something, another studio would have a clone of it,
almost shot for shot. So it was kind of like,
you know, the Cola Wars, but like if Universal was

(42:53):
making Kazam, then Paramount would make Shazam, you know. And
that was just the way that the movie industry was
operating at the time. So it's like, God, I've seen
that movie, Well, yeah, it probably you know. But in
interviews with Sindband he said, Nope, never made that movie.
Wish I had though that sounds fun so but a

(43:16):
lot of people are adamant that this was their favorite
movie as a kid, that they know it existed, they
watch it a thousand times.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
So well, the funniest thing about that is realizing that
I guess even though Sinbad says he's never done the movie,
he's gotten into it a little bit and started trolling
people because they started putting out little segments that he
was doing. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, that wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Humor did a April's Fool April Fools prank about it too,
where they did a uh, they kind of did a
here's the trailer of the movie kind of thing. But
and you know, that's kind of added the fuel of
the fire because people are going, see that's roof and
then no, it's not really, it really isn't. That's a parody.

(44:03):
But I mean, people can vividly describe that movie start
to finish, and it's different than be Cauzam.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So yeah, I mean the fact that they can vividly
describe it and there are i mean, granted, there are
some similarities, but come on, it's a i'min an African
American doing the same rule a slightly different title.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
It's just like the Cola wars used to be. Everybody
would come up with what they thought that was this
great idea, and the next colal company down the block
would do the same thing. Like a week later, you
told our idea. No you stole our idea, but yeah
no so but yeah, that did crystal coke, and well
that's good. Can you imagine if they tried to America

(44:51):
and we let that happen. I mean, there may be
a universe where they did try to do crystal coke.
Maybe there was.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I'm gonna get a DM or I'm gonna get a
message on Twitter later. I totally had crystal coke in
nineteen eighty or ninety four.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
That was crystal meth, not crystal coke.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Oh all right. So my next one's kind of a twofer,
but it's in the weird animal territory. So this one's
a newer one, but it's still kind of a lesser
known one. You ever heard of anything called our Jerboa bird?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Never?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
So some individuals actually recalling a peculiar creature called a
jeebola bird a hybrid of a small rodent like gerboa
and a bird featured in nature's documentaries or in children's books.
No such animal exists that we can find. Gerboahs are
real desert dwelling rodents with no avan traits. And the

(45:49):
reason I bring this one up is because there's another
weird thing that I know exists that, as far as
I know, never used to be poisonous, and that would
be the platypus. And I remember freaking, I think both
of us out when I found a deep dive on
a platypus and it mentioned that they were poisonous, and
I'm like, they've made cartoons about the fuckers hell, venomous, poisonous,

(46:14):
not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I had to be like that, No, I have no
memory of them being a venomous.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, I'm just like, that's not a that's that's not
a thing.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Which just makes the weirdest animal on the planet even weirder.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Well, I mean it, well, it's the most Australian animal ever.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Does make it the most Australian thing ever.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I mean, come on, Australia has seasons that will kill you,
But that that that that's weird enough all on its own.
But yeah, finding out that the platypus is venomous, I
was like, uh, I don't ever remember that being taught
anywhere anywhere. And I mean that that would make the
entire I mean, Phineas and Ferb Come on, guys, the

(47:01):
platypus never went on a killing spree. Come on, man.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
So while we're in the area, and this is a
two for as well, one of them I sent you
pictures for that. We can put up the other one.
But I'm gonna start with. Uh, since we're talking about Australia,
let's talk about New Zealand and its place in the world.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Do we have to?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Because everybody, a lot of people. I can't say everybody
because it wouldn't be a Mendel effect. A lot of people,
myself included, remember New Zealand being in northeast of Australia,
between Australia and the Philippines, a little bit out there,
but I remember it being to the northeast. Yeah, and

(47:44):
a lot of people say, is look, I've sailed there,
I've flown there. It wasn't that far south. For those
of you in this timeline who are from this timeline,
you'll say, no, New Zealand is always where it's exactly
supposed to have been, twelve hundred miles to the southeast
of Australia below Tasmania. Knocking on an Arctica store.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
No not no, sorry my bad singing.

Speaker 17 (48:14):
No.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
So I think the maps you one, I think I'm
assuming that's what these were for. Was that I said?
I was that what you wanted the maps for?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The other one's for uh, that one's for South America?
Oh okay, now yeah that one? Yeah, okay. So like
here you see New Zealand and the map is kind
of up you know, the South Island is due east
of Australia, and then the North Island would be higher
up out way out in the Pacific. You're not on

(48:51):
that one. Yeah. See, that's that's where I'm pointing at
my monitor, Like you can see what I'm to thing
pointing at the TV, but you see it off there
on the far right.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Oh yeah, I can see it.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So but with this map, I wanted to talk about
h South America because this is how I remember South
America straight down, you know, the west coast of South
of South America pretty much on Central Time, maybe a
little bit of Mountain time. So that's how I've always

(49:29):
That's how I've always remembered it. That makes sense to me.
And what when it started to hit me and I
thought that this was just a kind of a fuck up.
In the movie was in clear and present danger when
they fly down to Cartagena, they're landing there and the
pilot of the plane says, and local time is well,

(49:51):
it's the same time as in Washington, DC. And I
thought that was kind of a fuck up, because no,
that would be in central time. But if you put
it on the next map, South America is pushed way
out into the Atlantic. Now where the west coast of
South South America, I want to say, South Africa is uh,

(50:17):
right under the eastern seaboard. Now with this too, a
lot of people remember the Panama Canal is a straight
east west shot. It is now a north south shot.
Wait one, yeah, because if you go look at where
Panama is now, the only way to cross it would
be north to south or south to north, depending upon

(50:39):
which way you're coming from.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
That that's weird because yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure I
remember it was supposed to be east west.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You're like, I don't remember the South Africa thing, but
I'm damn sure. Yeah, no, Panama is right there, that
little hub under a So it's a north south shot.
So this is another one of those that has absolutely
broken my brain.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Well, now you've officially broken my brain. I don't know
if I can continue this show, sir. It's not that broken,
but it is a little broken.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
But now if you look at that map, you got
New Zealand way up there in the northeast. Right.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I'm like, wait a minute, that doesn't seem right either,
but no, so.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That's the world we live in now.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Apparently I want to go back to this one. Can
we go back to this one? Oh wait, I got
the other thing.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
That doesn't really make sense with the new map. Go
back to the old map for a second.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Okay, I was about to start to the day a kind.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Of well on the Caribbean, doesn't it. Yeah, kind of
makes sense with Pangaea and continental drift. Now go back
to the other map. Not so much.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, no, what happened?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
So there's a map to Fur that just kind of
bends my brain.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, I've had an apostrophee, you've had a lightning has
just struck me brain? SKay, I'm quoting coke for those
of you who don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh, I've just said he sent a picture in Discord
a clear coke.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Damn it, even algisar coke. Even now, just then he
remembers clear coke.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
No, hop messel with my brain.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Okay, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna send this
over to you real quick. Yeah, I have no memory
of this, and I'm a coke fan.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Of all kinds, of all kinds.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Mm hmm. Okay, yeah, let me drop this in. Ah,
we dropped this in the in the show Discord.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Oh I was just in there, but I swear I
thought he put that.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
But okay, I just dropped in Discord.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Now, oh okay, so this doesn't in my timeline.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I have no memory of this.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Let's break my brains some more. Why not.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Because cocad sprite. Why would they need to make this?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I never, I never, I never, And dude, I used
to drink the hell out of coke.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, I mean I remember when Cherry Coke was released
the first time. But yeah, that's just fuck you, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Damn it, Cern, Why do you keep having to break
my brain?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
See Coca Cola made Sprite to compete with seven up
PEPSI didn't have one of those that I recall, so
this doesn't make sense for Coca Cola to do this.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, I got, I got.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Bring Coca Cola's orange soda with caramel in it.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Oh yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Okay, audience. For those of you who didn't know that,
I just bent your brain, Coca Cola is the largest
consumer of oranges in the United States, and not to
make fanta.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh okay, my brain is officially broken. Now going back,
going back over to my semi fun ones again, so
we can unfunck our brain.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Totinos versus tostinos.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Okay, it's toastinos because that's the only way it makes sense,
because you put them in the toaster.

Speaker 17 (55:00):
So.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
In recent years, some snack enthusiasts have debated the spelling
of Totino's pizza roles, a popular frozen treat. Many insist
it was tostinos with an S, tying it closely closely
to the word toastata or toasted snacks. The brand has
always been, according to the brand itself, Totinos, but online discussions,

(55:23):
including posts and platforms like x suggests this supposed misremembering.
But I I say, is it a misremembering? Or is
this just like amish and I have no memory of
clear coke? And apparently it's a thing. Are we from
a different timeline because I remember toastinos too?

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, no, it's tostinos. I'll be dead in my grave
before I call it totino or whatever the fuck it
you say it's really called.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, it's no s just Totino's. No, Nope, didn't happen,
did happen?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
So, uh, Henry the Eighth, we're talking about his turkey leg.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, you got the picture of that.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I think so I should have any things.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Many people, myself included, remember one of the more famous
paintings of Henry the Eighth, And I dug it up
for Rick to put up what it looks like now
he's holding a turkey leg, because that's the kind of

(56:41):
guy he was. He was just this decadent kind of
you know, fuck you, I'm king, I'm eating a turkey leg.
You're going to paint the turkey leg. This is the
painting I always remember him eating holding a turkey leg.
In I don't see a turkey leg.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, no, there's no no, tricky.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
This is another one of those things that has been
referencing pop cultures. I remember a Bugs Bunny with it,
or at least a Looney Tunes, which we can talk
about that too. I Simpsons have done it. It's it's
a thing, you know, it's been parodied in pop culture
many many times.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Doesn't exist, but you have to remember, says we're getting
ready to go to a break. We can throw this
one in for free after. I remember, since you've referenced
the Simpsons now on three or four different occasions, they
apparently are immune to the mandila.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Oh, I've got a whole thing for that.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Oh yeah, I figured we'd come back around to that
after the break or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, yeah, let's talk about all right.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
So one more quick hit, and this one is kind
of a nod to the whole, you know, the fringe
thing Blue Universe versus Red Universe, because there were some
weird things in that series, depending on which universe were from.
This kind of reminded me of one of those things.
So there is a small but persistent memory among aviation

(58:07):
enthusiasts that older commercial planes, like those in the mid
twentieth century lacked engines directly under the wings.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, I actually remember those planes, and not just from
you know, like Johnny Bravo and the great uh you know,
Ultraman and the great Japanese live action kinda versus puppet shows. Yeah, no,
I remember those plants. I for I had a moment

(58:43):
where I thought, for a second year the Concord was one,
but that I remember the Concord had different types of
engines under its wings. But no, I remember seeing jet
planes with no engines under the wings. I mean not physically,
but I remember because again of an aviation buff too
earlier in life. And uh, I remember those planes.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, that's that's one I don't remember either, but we
can figure that.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Welcome back in the druxtaposition. Are usulling every two week
for you and the weird, the unusually unexplained. Well, lately
we've been doing double doses with a break in the middle.
Hopefully we can change that because he's funny. But we're back.
We're live and we're discussing the Manila effect and funny
thing because we'll get into more of this next week,
but this is a bit of a tease for this

(01:06:00):
that's coming up. As far as the new stuff will
be getting into. I've been reading a very interesting article
regarding quantum mechanics and the fact that they are now
starting to postulate the theory that current actions can actually
affect the past. So could this also be an explanation

(01:06:20):
as to why some of us remember things differently? And
we'll get into more of that next week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
You know, I was racking my brain during the break too,
and I want to say talking about the airplane with
the engines on the tail, not under the wings. I
swear to god, I remember it was a Soviet era
commercial airliner, like a tupelev or something like that that
had an engine on each side of the tail parallel
with a fuselage and nothing on the wing. That is

(01:06:50):
the image in my mind. And I don't know why.
It just it sticks out. It sticks with me, It
resonates with me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
What you're saying is you're actually a Russian spy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Duh. I mean, yes, I can call it Russian on
Twitter every other day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
So the correct answer would have been yet. I mean though, so, yeah, Simpsons, Yeah,
the Mendela proof.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Well, not only are they of Mandela proof, they're Mendela
proof in two ways, because in doing the research for
tonight's show, you're bringing up what we talked about on
The Simpsons when we firstaid this topic. It's expanded a
bit since then. Now. The first one, the one that
we've talked about, excuse me, is that the mandelafct, I mean,

(01:07:50):
the Simpsons appears to be immune to it in that
whatever timeline you believe in. They have referenced it. And
you know a lot of people say, well, yeah, that's
just because you know, the writers of The Simpsons are smart,
at least for the first twelve seasons and ten maybe,
and they kind of threw that joke in. Well, the

(01:08:14):
first ten seasons of The Simpsons pre date the coining
of the phrase of the Mandela effects, so there would
be no larfe for it. But things like you know,
things we'll be talking about too with like the limo
that Kennedy was assassinated in nine to eleven, stuff like that,
stuff that they have referenced. It goes on both sides

(01:08:36):
of it. You know, they they have had a scene
where it's Berenstein. One time Bart was reading either he
was having a flashback when was a kid reading the Berenstein.
And then another time they've mentioned where like Lisa was
reading Bearnstein. So it's they've got you covered. You know,
whatever reality you believe in, you can find confirmation of

(01:08:59):
it on the Simpsons.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
The Simpsons has its own version of confirmation bise right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
The second one. And this is what I found more
interesting in that the Simpsons, being immune to the Mandela effect,
nobody misremembers anything from the Simpsons, none of the songs,
none of the quotes. They are universally agreed upon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh hang on, I'll just send us something that I
think you'll want to see. You gotta get it put
up on the screen first, though.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I can't. That's right, yep, kind of like that following
seven fifty six adventure Liberia Airlines. That is okay, And
that looks like a tupule of two, so that that
had U the tuple of had a similar airframe, especially

(01:09:54):
with the nose, so that may be why I was
remembering that, especially with that. But there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
L oh, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
They do exist.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
He does exist.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Wait oh yeah, So with the sis remembering quotes, everybody
gets them right. You know, it's not like the Star
Wars one. It's not like you know where you know,
everybody remembers every song. You know, those are fans agree
upon the lyrics of every song in it. They agree
on the quotes. There's no they are completely immune to it.

(01:10:38):
There's that. They are a consistent tie across universes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah, and it's it's weird to think about though, because
they are. It's just like you said, no matter no
matter what, no matter what, anything, They're going to have
it for you. I'm gonna yeah, yes, oh all right,

(01:11:05):
so we gotta talk about we gotta talk about this one.
This is probably one of the ones that is driven
a lot of people nuts, the cornucopia from the Fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Of the Yeah, did you ever find that picture?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I was, I have been looking for it. I can't
find it again. Now I'm wondering if we like, maybe
we did like a brief timeline switch and now we're
I don't know, yeah, but so yeah, So there are
two different versions of the logo, and most everybody remembers
the Fruit of the Loom having a cornucopia stuffed with

(01:11:44):
the various fruits and uh, which would make sense. But
apparently that's not how it That's not how it is.
So while the fruit of the loom logo or the
lack of a cornucopia is considered a classic Mandela effect,
it's resurgence in recent discussion highlights a twist. Some now
claim they remember a specific nineteen nineties commercials showing the

(01:12:06):
cornucopia before it had vanished. However, no such ad exists,
and the company's archives continue to show no record of
their being a cornucopia. However, as I must referenced, a
few months ago, I did find an article where someone
had said that they found a T shirt with the
cornucopia logo on the tag in their closet from Forever

(01:12:29):
a Goal. But now I can't find any reference to
that article, so Yo says.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
I also remember, I don't know if it was like
a commercial or like a halftime show or something, but
remember the ads where they'd have all the fruit kind
of like just dancing around being dorks. Oh yeah, I remember,
I remember them busting through you know, kind of like
how football players, you know, they bust through the the
you know, the team graphic as they're running out of

(01:12:55):
the tunnel and onto the field. Damn cornucopia, ptycopia.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I remember the commercial you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I mean it was iconic. I mean that that was
kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Like, I mean, it was as nearly as iconic as
the mean Jo Green commercial. I'm just saying for the time,
it really was because especially for kids, because you know,
seeing a bunch of idiots dancing around, dancing around in
fruit costUS was entertaining if you were a kid, so
it would be something that you would remember. And yeah,
I remember that too. They came busting through like the

(01:13:30):
like the football players do it. It was a cornucopia.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I just simply remember that. I remember thinking because
it was cringe. I mean, all the commercials were cringe.
But I'm just like, oh, but you know, like I said,
I can't remember if it was actually like a halftime
show or an actual commercial for like the super Bowl
or something, and you know, them doing a football themed
thing with it. So this one is always kind of

(01:13:57):
freaked me out too, and it's kind of relevant to
this show and recent historic events. Daily Plaza in nineteen
sixty three, John Kennedy's riding around in an open limo
with Governor Conley and JACKIEO, and things happen, some people

(01:14:18):
did some things, And I distinctly remember the limo only
having four seats. There was in the front you had
the driver, you had Governor Conley, and in the back
you had Kennedy and Jackie. In this timeline there is

(01:14:39):
a middle bench. In the front you had the driver,
Governor Conley's wife, Governor Connley in the middle, and Kennedy
and JACKIEO in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah, I remember the dubnecr.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah. See. And the thing with that is that doesn't
make that actually makes the single bullet theory, the magic
bullet harder to have occurred. Detail it just I mean
just in the placement, the trajectory and everything else. It

(01:15:24):
the spacing would have been less uh less likely for that.
It just will have to do that for a JFK
show because I didn't put that into the research, but
just through the uh, it just it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Oh yeah, there'll be a JFK show coming soon. I'm
sure once that I can get through all the new material.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Well, once all the AI and outists comb through all
the But yeah, so my Kennedy limo has always had
four seats, not the third bench in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Well, it's it's funny that you bring this up because
one of my favorite all time arcs on Quantum Leap
was regarding the Kennedy assassination, and it was one of
the first shows I remember them doing, like a long
running series of show after show after show where it
was all kind of interconnected, and it was Becky.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Like two or three people through the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, it was Beckett bouncing back and forth between He
spent a lot of time as Oswald and there were
some other people that he jumped into. But I remember
at the end because I was like, what the hell
are they going to supposedly make different? And at the
end in the Quantum Leap episode when it all culminated
in the original timeline, Jackie died too and Sam saved

(01:16:41):
her life. That one kind of messed with me a
little bit because I was like, wait, does that mean
did they really just change something? And now I'm remembering
it this way. Granted I was a high school kid,
so it was a silly thing to think at the time,
but at the same time, it was just like, wait,
did he really just change history? So that one kind
of messed with me a little bit because of how

(01:17:01):
in depth it was, but that was probably one of
my favorite arc song Quantumly. But this brings up another
one for me. And we've talked about this one at
some point, and I guess it was during the Dreaded
season five they changed the Quantum Leap theme and I
don't ever remember hearing that before until I was watching

(01:17:24):
it about a year or so ago. I watched it
all the way through again, and I'm like, the last
season of this seem sucks, and I'm pretty sure I
would remember what did they do because they tried to
speed it up and it had more of a synth
pop feel to it, and it was just terrible, Like
this is the no go back to the other one?

(01:17:46):
Ye like to the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
That's in season five of Deep Space nine when they
changed the music and actually made it better.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
This season four, I think was when they actually did that.
But yeah, I know, I know what you're talking about.
It went from like being super slow to there was
more of an upbeat theme and there was more stuff
going on. It was actually cooler. So yeah, they tried
to do that with Quantum Leap, and they made it worse.

(01:18:14):
But I don't know. I'm still really irritated with the
newest version of that show because they screwed it up
and then it got interesting for a minute and then
they killed it anyway, and I'm like, yeah, whatever, so
I'm mad about all that too, But anyway, Yeah, that's
so that. That was another one, and the one that

(01:18:34):
I noticed today. So apparently there were hover platforms in
the nineteen fifties used for the military.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I've seen those.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
I don't ever remember seeing those, and I'm pretty sure
I'm pretty sure I would remember, but yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
It was a yeah, I remember. It's kind of like
a if you watch like those clips of like goofy
air things from the fifties and sixties, you like the
bouncing helicopter and that kind of Yeah, I remember that
being in it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
It was the precursor to the uh, the Bionic Man's
jet pack.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Well, yeah, so I remember those, but I'm like, I
don't ever remember like this. This looks like something out
of Star Wars because it's like this giant circular thing
that they're standing on and it's floating in the air
and there's like a sniper there, and I'm like, dude,
this let's take something out of Star Wars. I'm pretty
sure if I would remember that if I had ever
seen one, but apparently, according to Facebook, those are a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
So yeah, and I do remember it too, So a
year from the oddball timeline.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Yeah, I'm usually the odd ball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
So that's okay, one of the more famous ones. And
there would be a riot if we didn't touch on
this one. That is the Ed mcmahnon Publishers Clearinghouse.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Dude, this one still messes with my head.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
For those of you who are children of the eighties
and nineties, it was a big thing. You know. This
was back when Johnny Carson was on an Ed McMahon.
For those of you young kids, he was a co
host on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson also did
Star Search and a lot of things with Dick Clark. Anyway,
and if you're too young to know who Dick Clark is,
you probably shouldn't be listening to the show. Uh So,

(01:20:24):
there was a big thing of his where he would
show up at somebody's house, usually during the Super Bowl
around that time, and Publisher's clearinghouse. It was this kind
of a not really a scam, but like Columbia House,
but for magazines where you know, you'd subscribe to some
magazines and then if you were you know, you'd get

(01:20:45):
picked out at random and then Ed McMahon would show
up at your house with balloons and a million dollar
check or you know whatever. It didn't happen. And I
never clearing House.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Publishers Curling and clearing House brought boobies to my dad's house.
Don't dispair there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah, So, but apparently that never happened. Ed McMahon never
worked for Publisher's Clearinghouse.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Apparently there was supposedly a lesser known sweepstakes that he
worked for or something, and I'm like, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
It was. There was a competitor to it called American
Family Publishing. But and this one is another one of
those where people have no memory of this. They remember
Publishers Clearinghouse, and they remember Ed McMahon distinctly because Publishers
Clearinghouse had a very distinctive logo and they remember it
being on the checks that Ed McMahon would deliver. America's

(01:21:37):
Family Publishing logo is significantly different anyway, So as it goes,
is that Ed McMahon really worked for American Family Publishing,
and they were the ones who showed up with the check.
But that wouldn't make sense because why would collectively everybody
equate that would publish his clearinghouse? Nobody, And until we

(01:22:00):
researched this the first time, I had never heard of
American Family Publishing either. And the only reason why they
became notice notable was they were actually a scam. They
got busted through if you you know, the whole thing
was there was nothing to buy. You didn't have to
buy the magazines. You could still enter in the contest,
but anybody who didn't subscribe to magazine, they were just

(01:22:20):
tossing your your envelopes. So they got kind of busted
for that. And after Ed McMahon, Dick Clark worked for
him too, And I don't remember Dick Clark as well.
With Publishers clearing House. I remember Dick Clark doing it,
but I don't anyway, But I'm of the group that
distinctly remembers it being Ed McMahon and Publisher's Clearinghouse me too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I mean, I can remember the commercials he's holding. He's
holding a giant check with the logo in the corner right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
And it had the little House. Yeah, you know, yeah
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
An AFP never used a logo like that, so that
doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
But yeah, to my knowledge, I mean, I remember AFP
getting busted, and I remember in my brain saying, well,
that's because they were just you know, they weren't as
cool as Publisher's Clearinghouse, and you know, they were just
there was just a scam trying to ride on their
coat tails and stuff. Yeah, that's I I absolutely remember

(01:23:25):
it being Publishers Clearinghouse. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
So this is another one that we kind of have
to talk about or people would probably get mad. How
how is Chick fil A spelled?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
You know, I've never really had this one doesn't affect
me because they've only recently come out West, so I
haven't seen enough of them to have actually formulated an opinion. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
But so a lot of people remember it being spelled
each ic K, except however, that's not according to the
brand itself, how it's ever been spelled. Everybody at one point,
the people that remember it with the K just assumed
that at some point they had dropped the K to
make it look more trendy, you know, the like they
still call it chick fil A, but it was like

(01:24:17):
chic fil a now or something, and uh yeah, so yeah, apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I guess actually, so I guess it's the other way,
So I guess it's See, even I'm remembering it wrong
because I could have I was just I just drove
by one the other day and I could have sworn
that it wasn't a K. But so now let me
let me read through this real quick, because apparently I
just screwed it up. So another food related example that
surfaced more recently is the spelling of Chick fil A.
Some swear it was once c H I c F

(01:24:46):
I l A, dropping the K to add more of
a trendy R vibe. Especially in older marketing, the chain
has always been spelled c H I C K, playing
on the word chicken or chicken file. But again, I
even just screwed it up. So even I'm confused because

(01:25:08):
I I remember they're not being a kay damn it.
And it always messes with me. But yeah, so fun times,
fun times.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
You know, one of this kind of time. We also
with what's going on in the entertainment industry this weekend
snow white yo.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Yeah, this this one, I remember when you brought this
one up the first time, I literally almost ended the show. Yeah,
broke my brain. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
So everybody knows mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the
fairest of the ball. We've all said it. We've all
seen the nineteen thirty six cartoon a billion times.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Which is the only versions.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Yeah, that's not it, that's not it. Nope, the actual
thing is magic mirror on the wall. No, No, that's
I mean, I have never I've never heard those words
uttered by anyone ever in any situation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
And again, it doesn't even make sense because if you're
taking the time to talk to a mirror, the magic
is employed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
And when you're in a Disney movie that is full
of songs, one of the things you'll notice in a
heavy music driven Disney movie is a lot of alliteration,
a lot of rhyme, a lot of where mirror Mirror

(01:26:46):
on the Wall is it flows, it's it could be,
it could be made into it could be preempt into
a song, It could lead into a song. It could
be a pre chorus. Magic mirror does not roll off.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
The tongue, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Again, to watch, you can watch the chrismatic voice for
you know, in singing analysis of why those words would
not be chosen together in a song, and it just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
It doesn't flow, not at all. And even Delaney's like, yeah,
this disturbs me, dude, I'm telling you. The first time
he brought this one into the show, I almost ended
it because it's really broke my brain because I never
heard the phrase magic mirror, never b And it wouldn't even,
like I said, it wouldn't even make any sense because

(01:27:40):
first of all, you know Disney, well, first of all,
that's that's like the movie that put Disney on the map.
So everybody pretty much knows every aspect of this movie
that was that was born around the same time that
you and I were, So the idea that there could
be something that we were just getting that collectively wrong
for so long just doesn't make any sense to me.
And I secondly, I don't trust any Disney any further

(01:28:04):
than I can throw them anymore. So I can I
can just imagine I'm trying to mess with everybody's head
and be like, no, really it was this instead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
So it al brings up a great point in chat too,
and uh the stick song Snowblind says mirror, mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
I know, right, That's what I'm saying. This is, this
is why this one, this one was the one that
broke almost almost legitimately broke my brain the first time
we talked about this, because it just it killed my
entire childhood. But Disney's done that for me over and
over again lately, so it's probably why I'm surviving it

(01:28:38):
better this time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
You know, we got a few to come back with
after the break, you're just sticking in the movies and
pop culture.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Oh yeah, listen, this is why I told you we
would probably have to do all of this tonight and
then get into the other stuff next week, because.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
There's just no I mean, we're just heading on the
greatest hats of this one. But yeah, this is uh,
you know, for those of you who are new to
the show, new to the Mandela fact, we we're bringing
you up to speed where we hit you with the
new stuff next week. So yeah, and god, I didn't
even bring up the Forest Gump points. We're gonna have
to do that next week because that's the set. You

(01:29:12):
actually have to hear the SoundBite for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
If I mean we're about to take a break, I
can probably grab it because we can do that one
in the James Earl Jones one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Yeah, yeah, we talking about the Chick fil A one.
I wanted to throw in the snow Ie one real quick.
We talking about Chick fil A. There's another one along
those lines too, And this one personally offends me. And
that is my favorite candy bar is KitKat. Yep, the
spelling of KitKat? Is it kit cat or kit dash Cat?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
I don't remember the You're being a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Dash in this reality. There is not a dash. In
my reality, there is a dash. I just say, can
remember the dash on there because I remember one packaging
where they made the dash look like a kit cat piece,

(01:30:12):
So I remember it as kit dash Cat. And this
isn't even something that's like brand inconsistency, because that is
a thing too. Yeah, like with fabreeze. That one really
messes with people. But anyway, uh, I just think, remember

(01:30:36):
the dash and kit cat?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Are you sure?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Oh? Yeah? It's my favorite candy bar. It always has been.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Well apparently, apparently according to the British American kids, cat suck.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
So what's that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
According to the British American kid, cats suck. They don't
like her, but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
They're used to Belgian chocolate, so you know, I mean
I prefer dark chocolate myself. But all right, ready to
take close second. I used to love bit of honeys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Ready to take the last break.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Yeah, let's hit the last break and then come back
and just flood them with pop culture fuckery.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
All right, So, just for fun, as we go to break,
we're gonna play the juxtaposition theme that Jeff made for
us a while ago, just so you guys gotta actually
get to hear it that I'm for those of you
that may be new, this is another Jeff creation, and
we'll be right back.

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And welcome back in to the final segment of part

(01:36:17):
one of our deep dive into the Mandela Effect for
twenty twenty five. Since we have a new audience because
we weren't streaming on x or actually streaming video styles
type of stuff the last time we did one of these,
we've decided we're gonna kind of start from the beginning.
And apparently you guys are loving this because we're number
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we have over a thousand people hanging out with us
right now. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
We're back and we're live. And I did find I
didn't have a chance to screen it, but I did
find something that does reference the Mandela effect and its
forest company. It's only like fifty seconds long, so I
did find one. If you mber with that, now, hang on,
let me get it cute though. So one thing I

(01:37:04):
don't like about this new setup, I don't have a
way to like screen things when people are when we're live.
They need to figure that out so I can make
sure things make sense behind the scenes before I'm saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
The original DHS says life is like a box of chocolates.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Life is Listen to the movie of original VHS Quiet,
Do you want to chocolate? Do you want a chocolate?

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
I could eat about a million and a half of days.
My mom always said life was like a box of chocolate?

Speaker 18 (01:37:42):
What the hell is that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Life?

Speaker 18 (01:37:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
They was was yeah, yeah, no, And that's not even
something that you can miss here it because life that
doesn't why would it be past tense? I get it
at that by this point of the movie, his mom
has passed, but still that wouldn't have been her saying then,

(01:38:11):
because it's not like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
That, it just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
I mean in context, well, this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Is again contextually grammatically, it doesn't make any sense because
he already made it past tense. He said, my mama
always said, so that makes it past tense. So at
that point that's normally when people would start quoting the
person life is like a box of chocolates. And that's
that's not what happened. And again, just like the guy

(01:38:43):
throwing a fit pointing at the back of the box,
I remember it the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Yeah, well that's just that's just that it's again through
its unforction. You know, it's infection through pop culture. Everybody
t shirts, cuffee, monks, chuch key, everything is is.

Speaker 14 (01:39:05):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Oh look we got a little Laura's hanging out on
the chat. She's like, correct, Rick, he's speaking of his
mama in past tense since she had already died at
the point. So versus is correct, and I disagree. I disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
No, she's agreeing with you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Oh she is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
I don't know if she's agreeing with me or disagreeing
with me, because that's confusing. Means it's late. It's too
late tone for English, damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
No, he's already okay, grammatically, he's already set up. She
said past tense. But what she said would be is
because her saying was wouldn't make sense because life was
like a box of chocolates. What is it now?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Yeah, exactly, you know, And that's one of the things
that broke my brain with that. I'm like, so, if
it was like a box of childcolts, why did you
suddenly decide that it's now a box of Reese's Peanut
butter cups? What the hell? I'm confused? But yeah, anyway, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
This one Wizard of Oz, we got a twofer? We do?
We do?

Speaker 14 (01:40:22):
We do?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
We do? Now, I'll go with the first one while
you bring up the second one from the picture I
dropped in the uh in the discord. First one, Wizard
of Oz, when the Wicked Witch is sending out the
flying monkeys, the line everybody knows again infinitely referenced everybody.

(01:40:43):
I mean, it's it's the line everybody quotes fly, Fly
my pretties or fly my pretties.

Speaker 18 (01:40:50):
Fly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
That's not what she says. She just says fly. She
repeats fly, and that's it. My pretties is nowhere in it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Yeah, which is weird just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Now. The other one, this one I have no memory of,
and given the events that occurred through the movie, there
were multiple occasions where he had an instance to use it.
The scarecrow has a pistol, he has a freaking revolver.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Yeah, we've talked about this one before. This was another
one that thea rely confused me because I'm like, if
he had a revolver, why didn't he ever use it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
You like, when you know the monkeys are pulling all
this stuffing out.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Would have been the perfect time to try to shoot
the monkey.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
I mean there's a half dozen instances where he could
have gotten it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
And he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
No, never use it. You know, it's kind of why
did he have a pistol? But I mean, yeah, so,
uh it's a thing. This is a thing. No memory
of it. And you know a lot of people freak

(01:42:14):
out too, because the the Lollipop Guild, they all had
rifles again, another perfect opportunity to have used it was
when the Wicked Wish popped in on them.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Yeah, so you had the perfect time to be using
that stuff. It was a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, I mean sure it would have been the movie
significantly shorter, but uh still either have it or don't
now in the illustrations in the books, they are depicted
with rifles. They are depicted with the pistol and were

(01:43:00):
more like affectations than actual working weaponry because you know,
they also had Halbert's. You know, why were they fighting
with halberds when they had rifles. So it's one of
those mysteries. But it's set. I have no memory of it.
And again that's a Thanksgiving tradition. You watch The Wizard

(01:43:23):
of Oz. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
I got nothing. Yeah, that one makes absolutely no sense
to me. Sorry, I'm fighting with my computer for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Try. Yeah, no, I saw you were loading up, So
I'll talk into that one while you fight with it.
This is probably one of the most famous pop culture ones.

Speaker 13 (01:43:43):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Empire Strikes Back. Luke finds out where Luke is told
the Vaders as father. One of the most quoted lines
in Star Wars. One of the most quoted lines in
pop cultures. It was nineteen eighty four, eighty three, eighty four,
I think it was eighty four. I guess merchandise, T shirts,

(01:44:08):
coffee cups, unlimited infinite references, and other music and television
and movies, and the most quoted line, luke, I am
your father, except.

Speaker 15 (01:44:27):
I'll never join you if you only knew the power
on the dock side. When I first saw the dialogue
that said, hang on, I am your father, I said
to himself, he's lying. I wonder how they're gonna play that.
Liah will be waning.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Never told you. Can you hear that at all? Because
it's not working on my screen?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
I can, Yeah, we can hear it. Go back to
when James Old Joe started talking, because you kind of
stepped over the important part.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Yeah, I didn't hang on a little bit.

Speaker 15 (01:45:02):
Obi wan never told you what happened to your father.

Speaker 8 (01:45:07):
He told me, now, don't be you kill.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Im your father?

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Why is it being weird? Hang on?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
There we go. Yeah, you even see it in the
script and the notes of the script.

Speaker 15 (01:45:30):
When I first saw the dialogue that said, Luke, I
am your father, I said to himself, he's lying. I
wonder how they're gonna play that liar.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Oh be Waning never.

Speaker 15 (01:45:44):
Told you what happens with your father? He told me, no, no,
I them your father.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
And stupid say what in that you have the guy
who read the line misquoting, Yeah, right there, it just
says I am your father.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
But yeah, no, that that's another one that just kind
of blew my mind because I'm like, everybody knows that
one though, and every everybody gets it wrong. That's like
the stupid Lamb Chop song. Apparently everybody gets that one
wrong too, because I used to sing that one to
my children and apparently I was getting it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
But yeah, so the guy who read the line, all
of pulp culture, every single person on the planet has
it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Yeah, good point. I think Empire was nineteen eighty, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
It was eighty that's right, because Star Wars was seventy six,
So yeah it was Jedi that was eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Four or was it Maybe we're just remembering how it was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
And yeah, thanks Veraer, But yeah, I mean, just you know,
not not.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
To try to fry anybody's brain tonight. But like I said,
most of these things are things that we all remember
in a very particular way, and apparently that's not how
they actually happened, and that that that can be confusing
for folks. Now one of the things, and we it
won't really be a big thing that we'll touch on

(01:47:28):
next week, so this is kind of a tease for
next week. One of the things that I've been finding
out as I've been delving into the Mendela effect more
and more now that we've been doing this show now
for going on six years, and I've tried to do
at least one of these episodes every year, is there's
that there there's now there's now an there's now an
alternate theory that the reason people are misremembering these things

(01:47:53):
is because people want them misremembering them because it's a
form of gaslighting. Yeah, I mean, you know, with as
weird as everything's gotten in our current timeline, I mean,
it actually would could could it be you know, any
less plausible than some of the stuff we're seeing going
on right now that you know, maybe the advertisers won't

(01:48:14):
you misremembering because then you're always thinking about their products.
I mean, you know, I've talked about it on my
Daily show. Advertising is nothing more but a propaganda campaign.
It always has been that's why we have breakfast food
in America that they don't really have anywhere else. It's
because of a giant propaganda campaign. So it could it
be that, you know, bacon and eggs, that's not really

(01:48:35):
anything that gets eaten in this fashion anywhere else in
the world, and the only reason we have it is
because of a giant advertising campaign after beef became more
popular and everybody started eating it all the time instead
of port. But so could it be that there is
a more sinister component to this, to where people are
kind of fueling this stuff because it keeps their brands

(01:48:57):
on everybody's mind, and it keeps them coming back to it.
Like I mean, how many times when you're walking through
the impulse bisection of the grocery store do you see
a kit kat without the hyphen and you're like, what
the fuck?

Speaker 7 (01:49:10):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Because I used to accept it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
So you know, I brought up one in chat and
it was the one I was going to go to
after this one too. While we're talking about Star Wars
C three, po has a silver leg.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
Yes, I don't remember that either, But I know what
you don't remember that either.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
The toy didn't have it on and I get that, okay,
So it'd be difficult to have a you know, to
do that with the uh the plating on the action figure,
at least on the you know, the small cannon one,
the large sized ones. They could have totally done it.
But yeah, I don't remember it. And the first time
I noticed it was in the uh the THCHS re release,

(01:49:59):
because I we had the VHS tapes from before and
they all got worn out the original box set when
it came out on VHS. So when the TCHX release
came out on VHS, I bought those and that's the
first time I noticed. Where did the silver leg come from?

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Yeah, apparently Mirror remembers because he's a nerd. But he's
also correcting our timetables on the movie releases too, So yeah,
I could have swore jed I was eighty four. Maybe
it was eighty three.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
I mean that's kind of all the same time. It
would have been the summer of eighty three, so that
kind of tracks. But you know, you don't want to
put you don't want to put UH Star Wars up
against the Olympics. Nobody would have watched the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
True enough, that's probably what happened there. But yeah, no,
I mean it's just all this stuff. I mean it's honestly,
and if you if you try to think about it enough,
it's enough to melt your brain. It really can't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
So I mean, even with the just little things like
Curious George not having a tail.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
When the hell is the last time I've ever seeing
a monkey without a tale, like an actually like an
actual monkey monkey, not not like the you know, bigger monkeys,
but an actual monkey monkey. I mean, I just charge, yeah,
I just that's again that's just weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
I mean another one, this one I can kind of
I can go both ways on. This is one of
those things words right, it's where it makes sense to
quote it this way, but it apparently it was never
actually said in the TV show, and that is beat

(01:51:55):
me up Scotty.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Uh, you know, you're right. I don't think he ever
said it that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Way because I don't believe Scotty was a transporter tech. Yeah,
it made sense with O'Brien because O'Brien was a transporter
Room three. That would beat me up O'Brien. That would
have been great, But Scotty was always an engineering Actually, there.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Were several scenes where Scotty was in the transporter room,
but it was because there was something going wrong with
the transporter at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Yeah, So, I mean, but scene I really remember was
from the motion picture, but that fucking scarred me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Had that was terrifying, I will be honest, because I
wasn't that I wasn't that old, so that actually freaked
the hell out of me watching that. But yeah, that
that was I mean, it wasn't any less traumatizing than
watching Alien in the theater with my parents though, So
there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Yeah, so wow, I think we're gonna pull two hours?
Can I do any old stuff? But yeah, we've got
so much left for next week's.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Well I said it's gonna have to be a two parter,
so yeah, and that'll put us back on our regular
schedule anyway, so that we can actually take a week
off at the right spot, yeah, instead of two on
one off because we couldn't do it. But I mean
last week was just weird anyway, because I was ready
to go and then my power started acting stupid like
an hour before and I'm like, I'm just not even

(01:53:28):
gonna try. There was all kinds of overloads and stuff
going on with power everywhere because all all of fire.
So it was like it was great. It was working
all day, and then it started acting up about eight
eighties or so, and that was about the same time
that or I was like, yeah, we can't do the show,
and I'm like, yeah, you know what, I just lost
power and it actually didn't. It actually didn't start being

(01:53:51):
solid again until almost three o'clock the next morning. So
it's a good thing we didn't try. It would have
been bad. Kind of like what happened to me on
the Friday when we had Super High and I'm like
in the middle of like a sentence and everything's went
boop and it never came back. I was like, so
a bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Back there was a couple of times you had we
had to cut the show halfway through because you had
to go down to the cellar for your tornado.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
There was one time I left you guys and let's
keep talking.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Yeah, I think the show was still running for another
four three four hours afterwards. Yeah, drunk truck, the drunk
drunk on of tract or taking out your Internet. Thought
that was the best one.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
So there there is one thing I really like about
this en up though, that I just figured out there
are lots of things I can't do on the mobile version,
but if I'm like doing the late night streaming and stuff,
I can actually kill it from my room on my phone.
That is amazing, Like there you go, So yeah, I do.
I As I get used to this, I'm actually getting

(01:54:50):
I really like this set up more and more because
there are some nights that I'm running content till one
thirty two o'clock in the morning, so it's really nice
to be able to set an alarm and go oop,
I'm gonna turn it off for my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I feel your paint. He's listening to the show in
the middle format and computer. I just saw the new
motherboard and processor last last week and was racing to
get to my setup configured so that way I could
do the show last week.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
And yeah, and then Mother and Nature said never mind
because I'm a whore.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yeah yeah, Mother Nature said go ahead and finish your
setup there already.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Oh but yeah we did it two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yeah. So I hope all your new listeners are enjoying
our deleve into the Mendela Effect. Next week, we've got
We've got a lot of new stuff on the Mendel effect,
new theories behind it, and uh you know we're also
gonna uh you know, touch on some of the classics
with that one too. Fuck concern.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
New theories behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
New things even comes up in the nineteen eighty nine
anomaly too.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Yeah, new things coming out with quantum physics that that
can tie into both the nineteen eighty nine and the
nineteen ninety nine thing that I was referencing. Like I
said that this could be something we might come back
to again later. But yeah, because there's just so much,
because it's there's all there's all these different rabbit holes.

(01:56:18):
Like just as an example one that I saw today
that that is that is not necessarily a new theory,
but it's gaining prominence again, is the idea that black
holes are not what we believe they are, and that
most everything that goes into a black hole actually gets
spit to spit out in an alternate universe through a
white hole. And yeah, that's a new theory.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
But you're you're you're tripping dangers dangerously close to Jeff's
material here.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Oh I know. That's why I'm just teasing it now
because I don't want to get stabbed or approved.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Yeh, don't worre he sticks it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
So tomorrow myself, Jeff and gay Biker Dad will be
on the Vincent Charles Project. Boy, this one was painful.
I know exactly what it felt like for Jeff to
do the Rings of Power shows because we did the
We've all watched the Russian nineteen eighty one ninety one

(01:57:19):
production of The Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Oh, that's what Jeff was talking about earlier. I was like,
I'm not getting the joke here, but ooff.

Speaker 15 (01:57:30):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Amazing. So I'm on tomorrow on that and then I
think Jeff has a lost wander tomorrow if I'm right,
and you got al on Tomorrow night with Sunday Nights
with Alan Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Yep, and then I'll be back Monday night and doing
America off the reels. Then starting soon the Ladies of
the Red Winer coming back, so yay. Now, yeah, but
they're shortening their schedule, so and because we have somebody
that's coming on uh late in the evenings now on Mondays,
I'm gonna move reels to basically buttress up to that

(01:58:14):
hour to make sure that we don't have dead air.
So I guess it's gonna stay on Mondays.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
We're just filling the schedule back up again now the elections.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Yep, we've got another show that we'll be launching starting
every other Wednesday, hopefully starting this week if we can
get the pieces put together on it and then Data
Hawks supposed to be back this coming Monday. He was
he was getting some deed off stuff going on, so
got it didn't have very good internet, but I think
we've got to figure out now. So yeah, so things

(01:58:48):
are getting back to normal.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Ish, but it's never been normal around here.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
That's why I said ish because I can't really use
the words.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Here's a lost wander tomorrow So.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Wait tomorrow night, you're having tornadoes or you're discussing tornadoes.
Al yes, race the Power of vand I'm concerned anyway.
All right, man, where can folks find you? We're down
in like a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Uh shit, Well, surprisingly you can still find me as
Ordinance Packard on Twitter X. I don't know. I flatchoy
because I'm pissed off any on right now, let's see.
You can find me Tuesday nights on Manorama panel with
a lot of people on some random Canadians. Wednesday, I'll
be back with you on Rick and Ordy Thursday. I'm
off this week. Friday, I'm office Saturday, I'm back with

(01:59:39):
you doing the part two of this episode. Yeah, that's
about it for right now.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
All right, Well, as far as me you can again.
I'll be off most of tomorrow, but I'm never really off.
I'll probably be trying to work on trying to do
some writing and some stuff behind the scenes that I've
been not working on because I've been trying to deal
with a million, you know, other things. But then again,
Monday night, be back Tuesday through Friday next week noon
to three Rick Robinson Show Tuesday night, hanging out on

(02:00:07):
the manor Rama panel. On Wednesday, we'll have our usual
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(02:00:28):
Party dot com, and I also produced the Loftest Party
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We've had this discussion.