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Truth, Happy Saturday Night, and welcome to juxtaposition. Are for
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half of the crew, mister mc robins, an easy other
half mister Ordnance Packard. And how you doing, sir house things?
Speaker 8 (04:53):
You know?
Speaker 11 (04:54):
It occurred to me I never had a chance to
check my audio, can you hear me? No?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Just kidding?
Speaker 11 (04:59):
Yes, okay, good, all right, good, yeah, because I've been
fighting with audio demons for the last two days and
I finally got it all worked out about four hours ago.
Oh yeah, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing all right. So yeah,
you got you got things worked out just in time
for us to talk about time trouble.
Speaker 11 (05:18):
So yeah, I know right, if I had had a
time machine, I would have gone back and not done
what I had did that fucked everything up. Well I
think I did so nice. I don't have to troubleshoot
it out.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But yeah, anyway, Lucy, we can see you.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
Yeah, hi, Lucy. So, yeah, you know what this is one.
We haven't done this in a long time, especially John
te Or we haven't done him in like four years
or more.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Frazing, sir, frazing.
Speaker 11 (05:50):
Hey, you know it's pride Eve, don't be that boy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I will be how over I wish there's no Pride
month in my house.
Speaker 11 (06:02):
Yeah, as Sam was saying, today, it's food's birth month.
We'll celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We're still I still think she missed the mark. She
should have went with Webbit fled.
Speaker 11 (06:14):
Yeah, webbit from rabbit fled. Webs nice. So we got
a lot here tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes we do.
Speaker 11 (06:28):
Yeah, I went a little crazy on the John Teeter research.
You never never yeah, so John Teeter. If you're not
familiar with the story. He's probably one of the best
documented time travelers in modern era. He left quite the
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prolific trail of at you know, he was engaging with
people and everything and then just disappeared. What he said
he was going to disappear. Nobody has come forward to
claim it. So that's why his story is just so compelling.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, there's just so much to it too. And
the funny thing is what lends more credence to this
is that everybody's got to remember the age of this
story and where he's when he says he came from.
Some of the things that he talked about that that
were way back from like you know, right after ys UK,
they're just now starting to discuss as actual possibilities. And
(07:36):
I mean, this is what inspired me is an article
to come back to this topic. As an article I
found by mitchi Koku was saying that now time travel
isn't nearly as much science science fiction it anymore as
it is an engineering problem.
Speaker 11 (07:50):
Yeah, and and in this I mean he kind of
went into detail about that too, But we're going to
get into all of that. So I think we got
to talk about the story of John Teeter, where he
came from and in November of two thousand, you've got
to cast back to the early days of the Internet
that we talked about on the Dead Internet theory, when
everything was just a weird wild landscape of message boards
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and chat rooms and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
A user name time travels was that was the virtual
wild wist. Yes it was.
Speaker 11 (08:21):
It was fantastic. I miss it, so yeah, it actually
felt alive then. So in November two thousand, the user
named time travels zero, later identifying himself as John Teeter,
began posting on the Time Travel Institute forums and this
was kind of like just the clearing house for people
who wanted to talk about time travel and temporal theories.
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And around two thousand and one he began he appeared
on Art Bell's post to post forum, which was kind
of like the if you're not familiar and if you're
listening to the show and you don't know who Art
Bell is, shame on you. Good on YouTube and you
listen to some of his old shows. He started posting
on the forum there, and this is where he started
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to base his claims that he was an American soldier
from twenty thirty six sent back to nineteen seventy five,
to retrieve an IBM fifty one hundred computer due to
its unique capabilities, and he explained he stopped buying two
thousand for personal reasons. He visited his family in Florida
and collect photographs. He'd take pictures of him and his family,
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the younger him with his family before everything got dystopia
and the post war armageddon that he was living in.
He was very vivid about twenty six marketing a civil
war that happened in two thousand and four, two thousand.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And five.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
Culminating into a nuclear war by twenty fifteen, and his
descriptions of scytal collapse and everything, and how everybody just
living in small communities. He engaged actively with the forum users.
It wasn't just like you know, ship posting and then vaping.
He uh, you know, he answered as many questions as
people ask you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
All right over there, I heard a ding, Yeah that
was just I got a weather or we're coming through okay, yeah,
I mean, I guess the one thing we do have
to point out is there wasn't, in fact, no nuclear
holocaust in twenty fifteen. But other than that, a lot
of this stuff is still very plausible.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
Well, and you know, and he talked about that too,
and that you know, it's one of the uh yeah, okay.
One of the things of time travel is, you know,
on the quantum level, is when you travel back in
time in order to avoid the Grandfather paradox and everything else,
you're actually going back to a different timeline. So things
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are going to be different. Whether you caused those things
to be different, but your very presence. But it's it's
the infinite world's theory where every you know, every decision
that has ever been made has spawned another reality where
the decision went the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 11 (11:11):
So like when you think about how much we've crammed
the universe, would standardized testing where and there's a different
reality where you chose a B, C or D so
and this was kind of like, you know, so he
I mean he even said, look, things may not play
out the way that it happened in my timeline. But
some of the things he was pretty close with, I mean,
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not the big things like the civil war and the
UH and the nuclear war, but some of the things
he came pretty close on.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean, he it's one of those conspiracy theory things.
So far, he's been more right than he's been wrong,
especially with some of the technology that he's described using
to be able to time travel is the very stuff
that folks like me Shukaku was starting to talk about now.
Speaker 11 (12:02):
So yeah, and you know it's you know, one of
the things that he talked about how he how you know,
time travel worked in his time. At the time, the
theory was, you know, if you had an infinitely large
spiral and uh, it's just this is really complex theory,
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you could travel back in time. Well, the way he
described it with two micro singularities and very specific about
the properties of these micro singularities. This is the stuff
that Kaku's talking about now, going you could probably do it.
You'd have to be able to create these things. But
then you know, it's you know, like he was just
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very specific about the technology and how it worked. Yeah,
I mean in decades before.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah. Well, so here's another interesting little tidby that just
came across my feed today while I was producing for
the front or Forensics. Screw. This ties into everybody take
a drink stargate for everybody here. Remember the multi dimensional mirrors. Yeah,
they're now claiming those might actually exist.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
Of course, because you know, anytime it is you know
sci fi author I wrote the book The Torment Nexus
to you know, warn you against never making the Torment
nexus scientists. We've just invented the torment nexus.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Oh yeah, No, I mean he's not Yeah, you're not wrong,
but no, I mean that that's what has always interested
me about all of this stuff and some of the
stuff with Teeter. I mean, you know, even explaining how
you know, he predicted that where he came from there
was a nuclear holocaust in twenty fifteen, but it didn't
actually happen. The fact that cern spun up and the
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many worlds theory that he actually goes into later could
explain why for us what happened for him in twenty
fifteen didn't happen. Because sure everybody forgets there are there
are these things called the butterfly effect. Him coming back
could have actually changed our future to some degree. So
because there's.
Speaker 11 (14:13):
There's just a posting about it, him just posting about
it could have you know, caused the right person to
read it or whatever that changed that person's mind. You know,
it's that whole somebody has a shitty day that ends
up in a nuclear exchange. Yeah kind of thing. You
just yeah, like you said, the butterfly effect.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean, and think about what was going on
in twenty fifteen. How close were we actually to that
when you really want to stop and think about it.
Because the Democrats were ready to new everything to keep
Trump from getting into office around that time.
Speaker 11 (14:43):
So well, yeah, it wasn't far after that. I mean
he did talk about, you know, catastrophic change in society.
I mean, that's pretty close to I mean close enough
for you know, darts that when COVID kicked off, that
was a different kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah. I mean that was definitely a society that was
definitely a societal changing catastrophic event to saying.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
So, so let's talk about his initial mission. The uh
the IBM fifty fifty one. Now, this computer was released
in nineteen seventy five, and at the time it was revolutionary.
It was a fifty pound portable computer. It was the
first of it's kind to integrate a monitor, a keyboard,
and a wopping sixty four K of memory. It was
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the compact design. It was it was it was kind
of like it was like the first proto laptop, and
it was really marketed to UH engineers and technicians. I
think the price tag in nineteen seventy five dollars was
a round between nine and twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well, I think we need to I think we need
to slow down for a second because everybody now isn't
going to understand how revolutionary this device is. Going back
to the timeframe of the seventies, most computers were still
as large as rooms.
Speaker 12 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean you had.
Speaker 11 (16:13):
A couple like workstations, but even then they were pretty significant.
I mean, it wasn't until you got into like the
early Apples and the Commoner sixty four and the VIC
twenties that you know, when you got the home grade systems,
it was still very you know, I mean, this isn't
the kind of computer that you know, you'd have somebody
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carrying around that was doing massive engineering projects and you know,
to tie into you know, even bigger main frames over
DARPA and shit. So yeah, this was this was the
game changer. And this was in seventy five. You think
about the laptop began in nineteen seventy five. Yeah, yeah,
(16:57):
So he went back in time to get this computer.
And you know the basic function of this computer is
that you were able to program it in basic and
apl languages and which was the most common at the time.
But that's not what he came back for. There was
a what he said a secret feature in the fifty
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one hundred that it had an ability to ability to
emulate IBM mainframe systems, specifically the System three and the
System three seventy, allowing to run programs written in basic
and apl for those systems. He claimed that it was
critical in twenty thirty six for debugging legacy code to
prevent a technological crisis. And what he's talking about there's something,
(17:46):
I mean, a lot of people knew about Y two K,
and if you're really young and you don't know what
Y two K was. There was this bug in the
system in early computer systems where they did all dates
in shorthand of like you know, a year would be
ninety ninety two, ninety three, so on and so forth.
When it reached ninety nine, the fear was it would
(18:08):
revert back to nineteen hundred instead of two thousand. So
across the world, nearly a trillion dollars was spent. And
this was something that affected everything from your coffee maker
to your car, to financial institutions to government systems. This
(18:29):
was a huge problem, and we spent the world spent
nearly a trillion dollars fixing it. There were still some glitches,
just you know, there weren't planes falling out of the
sky like everybody feared. So, but this goes to a
little known bug in Unix systems. It's called the twenty
thirty eight problem. And what it is is on January nineteenth,
(18:50):
twenty thirty eight, I think it's around one PMUTC. Because
Unix systems count seconds, it will get a buffer overrun.
And again there's not a lot of people know that,
and you know it's it's because of the thirty two
bit system that Unix Systems run on, and a lot
of them were getting passed to go to sixty four
(19:11):
a bit. And I'm just turning this into an episode
of Cyberchill right now. But because this particular small forum
computer was able to emulate the code of these large mainframes,
and these large mainframes is where most of that code
originated from. So it was a plausible fix. And the
(19:34):
weird thing about it when he was talking about this,
nobody knew that that was a feature in the fifty
one hundred until years later when one of the developers
of the fifty one hundred came out and said, yeah,
we didn't advertise that because IBM didn't want its competitors
to be able to figure out what it was doing
on its mainframes, So we didn't want them to be
able to buy this, you know, fifty pound laptop to
figure out what the mainframes were doing. So it was
(19:58):
something like a handful of eng years knew.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, no, it's it's insane. Sorry, I was just double
checking something on the Y two K thing, because one
of the biggest things with the Y two K concerns
was because of the double zero format. When computers, and
I don't know if they still do or not, but
when computers used to start up before Windows was a thing,
and well even some of the earlier versions of Windows,
(20:25):
they would do what was called to check some how
they would do that was the computer doing a math
problem using the the year to do a division, and
there was no way to divide by zero. So that's
why everybody thought all the computers were looking to lock
up and just never turn on it.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
Yeah, that was that was a lot of that too.
And yeah, like I said, mean those e prom chips
they were I mean this was the most basic form
of chip that had all this program this you know,
this low level you know, this format in it, so
that uh, you know, that was part of the problem.
Why you said it was in everything from coffee bakers
(21:01):
up to but you know it was also in in
airplanes and in you know, transportation grids, power grids, I mean,
everything was like, oh my god, the world. You know,
it's like, what about the missiles, you know, I mean,
you know, the launch systems for the use for those
in that format too, and you know, so there's like a.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Whole story going along with that because remember ninety nine
to basically ninety well starting ninety six actually, but from
ninety eight until two thousand and nine, I was running
my own security company, so we were right in the
middle of that mess. So we're all standing on properties.
And one of the guys I worked with used to
be an army ranger and he was actually jacked into
a military frequency and kept waiting for the call signs
(21:45):
of the night and he said, if I start yelling
about Crystal Palace and arc lights, every single one of
you motherfuckers better start running because that means all the
missiles are in the air. It was like, oh god, yeah,
fun times. We all thought we were gonna die that night.
It was fun.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
Yeah, it was good. It really made the uh, it
really made the turn of the millennium a lot more interesting.
You know, it's not just it wasn't just another uh,
another New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It gave a lot more credence to party like it
was nineteen ninety nine, let me tell you, because everybody
was on that New Year's because everybody thought they were
gonna die. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:23):
So, I mean, and that was the significance of the computer.
So he was supposed to go back in time and
get one of those, and then on his way back
he stopped by two thousand. Yeah, and so this is
when he started posting if they finished the rest of
usself on net neutrality? Yeah, and no, that is a
(22:44):
good point. That isn't this just Teeter peppering his story
with obscure, plausible collaborat developments.
Speaker 13 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
But then, you know, like again with the fifty one hundred,
not a lot of people knew that. I mean, it
would be like he would have to be somebody in
the know or knew somebody in the know. And even
then that's not something you just make casual conversation. Hey,
did you know that the uh remember that old IBM
fifty one. You know that that actually worked on IBM
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system threes too, but that was able to emulate it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So fun Yeah, so it was that, I said, fun times,
fun times.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Yeah, fun times. So so he pops back into two
thousand and he starts, uh, starts posting and ship and
this is when he starts getting asked about his time
travel technology, and uh, you know, he was very John
Connor and his description of it. Yeah, it is the
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C two The C two four gravity distortion unit is
a stationary mass temporal displacement unit powered by two top
spin dual positive singularities producing a set off tempwork. Uh cinisoid. Now,
the tip of cinicoid was that thing that I was
talking about, that infinitely large spiral that you could use,
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but you know the problem with it being infinitely large.
Now this is where modern sciences caught up to Cheeto
and saying.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know what that might work? Yeah, I mean, well,
like I said, that's what started me down this rabbit hole.
And the funny thing is Rock fought me every step
of the way, and by the end of the conversation,
I had him convinced that it was at least probable
based on the recent article by Cocko. If not, you know,
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it's definitely gonna happen, because I mean, there have been
there have been small scale evidence that time travel is possible.
I mean, einst one of one of the first time
travel experiments ever was Einstein's. He put a bunch of
people into a plane and by the time they and
they were in the air for several several hours, and
(24:55):
by the time they landed their their their watches were
different as far as you know.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
Yeah, it's microseconds, but it's still yeah, but I mean
it's still noticeable.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So that was one of the first things that kind
of made everybody start wondering if maybe time is in
fact a relative thing, because you know, the further it seems,
and there's actual evidence of this now that the the
like these folks that were only supposed to be in
space for a few days and they were in they
were there for months. They aged slower, right because they
(25:29):
were further outside of urs effects. It's just interesting the
weird little things that that science is starting to show
with that just just seemed like they would be impossible.
Speaker 13 (25:42):
Yeah, and you know, and while you.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Know, theoretical physics, I mean at this level has been
around since the fifties. Tutor's artwork and his descriptions of
you know, the uh you know, the the tip or
sinisoid and uh, you know the micro syncle and everything
in his descriptions of it and in the questions that
(26:05):
were asked and answered, he not only knew about this
obscure IBM fifty one hundred, but he also had kind
of advanced knowledge of theoretical physics.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yes, it was I mean, it wasn't just his artwork.
He had some very sever I mean, he had some
deeply detailed diagrams and explanations that would that suggest he
had a deep understanding of some of the conflicts concepts
that are interwoven into all this stuff.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
So, you know, looking at that from the modern lens,
you know, as we can all become experts on a
topic in five minutes on the internet, but in two thousand,
relying on ask Jeeves or you know, anything to come
up with the information where you could just you fart
the shit out, I mean it's you. You had you know,
(26:59):
you're google flood had to be strong, or you had
to have a pretty you know, a pretty good you know,
college education, and not to say that that's not likely either.
I mean, you know, it's I mean, somebody who knew
this theoretical physics could also have known about the IBM
fifty one hundred and but to just turn it into
a time travel story on the interwebs that you never
(27:21):
come to, Yeah, it's you know it. The scientific literacy
is unusual for a hoaxer.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, it's not just it's not just the scientific literacy.
It's I mean, think about this. He was pretty well
spot on with some of the stuff that he predicted.
We talked about, and already the mad cow disease that
happened in two thousand and three, that was he was
already talking about that happening. He pointed out issues with
the space shuttles that wound up happening shortly after he'd
(27:51):
mentioned them. I mean, the only thing that he was
really remiss on was the twenty fifteen nuclear war stuff,
because even though some of it hasn't happened exactly when
he said it was going to. I mean, in this
one's pretty easy. The it's it's really easy to say
that it will be large, large, widespread civil unrestk be
cause it's pretty much happening everywhere, So that was still
(28:13):
kind of a give me. But the fact that it
actually is happening, even if it's happening about you know,
nine years later than he said it would still enough
to kind of when you start looking at the things
he got right, kind of make you wonder.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Well and the thing that you're talking about with you know, which, yeah,
he nailed the mad cow disease. You know, this is
kind of like with that whole you know, got the uh,
the big shit wrong with the little shit right that
you know, when we talked about bobbles are this was
another one of those two where it's like, yeah, the
mad cow, I mean, it wasn't as big of a
(28:48):
deal as you know, he made it out to me.
But then once again multiple world's theory, uh, the problem
with the shuttle program. Now you gotta he disappeared, just
completely vanished, I think around two thousand and one, two
thousand and one, two thousand and two. In that timeframe,
the Shuttle accident wasn't until two thousand and three, So
you flash forward to he's from twenty thirty eight. You're
(29:10):
gonna know, Okay, this happened around two thousand, so this
is gonna be in the timeframe I'm there and it
hasn't happened yet when I'm cruising around in two thousand
and then, you know, I can you know, give that
as a little bit of credibility. It just kind of
seemed a little I mean, you're not gonna remember the
specifics of you know, the shuttle, the Challenger explosion. It
(29:31):
was a Challenger Columbia. That one was Columbia, Challenger was sorry,
and then I always I always get those two flipped
up because Columbia came first. So anyway, Yeah, so that's
and that's why it's kind of you know, you're gonna know,
you're gonna remember, you know that you're gonna know that
something happened, that that happened, but you're not gonna remember
(29:53):
the specifics. So that was kind of a big spot
on for me.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I mean, like, like I said, it definitely has given
me lots of stuff to think about.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, and some of the things like that was
wrong is I think of the two thousand and four
Olympics will be canceled, but twenty twenties were postponed due
to COVID.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Kind of makes you wonder if maybe COVID was supposed
to have maybe COVID happened earlier where he was.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Yeah, so hey, you want to take a break and
then we'll come back and finish this one up.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yep, yep, yep. Hang on just a second, just for fun,
because we're taking music breaks of the half. I have
two time time travel related songs to go, so one
will be more of a deep cut later. This one
everybody should recognize. But yeah, we're gonna gohead and take
a break. You're listening to juxtaposition. We'll be back. I
think I may have left things unhooked for too long,
(30:52):
so I'm gonna have to fix it. Nope, there it goes.
Speaker 12 (31:14):
Tell me we're going there side.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Jess a first nine. All I wanted to know.
Speaker 14 (31:34):
It was guitar said, stay work, I don't mine. It's
better of Thomas be back dam time.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Tell you that's his time, don't that's the future. Don't
roll the dice there the remember dimmon dover starch ties.
Speaker 13 (32:10):
This don't time.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
I will be lettle. I don't mind the thomis me
back in time?
Speaker 15 (32:29):
Dog it dot your time?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Do it dot your time?
Speaker 16 (32:38):
It dock your time, Dount bust your son, Dount bust
(33:38):
your son.
Speaker 11 (34:01):
I forgot how much riffing there was in this song.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we're gonna ahead and cut it back now because
I'm much is back anyway, So welcome back into the program.
And ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to Juxtaposition on
Taylor Ron Radio and we are discussing time travel, John
Teeter and the multiple multiple world's theory. So welcome back
into the program. How was your break, Amish? How was
(34:26):
your breath?
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It was good.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
You know, I know my new setup, I'm able to
walk around the house and listen to the break, so
I'm having to leave my cans on the floor. Yeah,
the uh god, that song is so fucking eighties movie.
And you know, one of the things I love and
hate about songs like that and like weird science and
back to school and stuff is that it's like they
(34:49):
just gave the artists a sure, here's the script, write
a song, so they have all the elements. I mean,
you could listen to the song if you know the
movie that it's like every you know, it hits on
everything that happened. You can to the song and not
actually have to watch the damn movie. But yeah, that's
just the most eighties thing ever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, I mean but that really was. I mean, that
was most of the eighties genre like wrapped up all
into one. I mean, there there were there was a
lot of big band field still going on in eighties music,
which I kind of honest, I kind of missed that,
if I'm being honest.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
Yeah. Yeah. One of the things about Hili Lewis too
is you know it's I remember stand at the time
when when you look at me, like, hey, is that
America's hottest rocker? Do you look at me and go,
is that a friend of my dad's.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh that's that's I don't know if that's funny or not.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
So yeah, but okay, so we left off with these predictions. Yeah,
so we got past y two k We talked about
the mad Cow and the uh, the shuttle disaster.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
A lot of his interactions, you know, he basically, you know,
when people would ask him, you know, for specifics about,
you know, what was going to happen in the future,
he would explain the many world's theory, and you know
he would also just say, look, I'm not here to
change the future. I'm just here to observe it. You know,
(36:18):
it was basically temporal reconnaissance, and you know, so in
that perspective and combined with his partial accuracies, they were
a little bit more than mere guesses, and it was
more of about a possible or probable future, not likely
the future. Yeah. That's the one thing that you know,
time travelers hoaxers always get wrong, you know, is they
(36:44):
try to form a doomsday cult around themselves, you know,
and uh, they're they're very specific with like this will happen.
He couched, you know, he's a hoaxer. He couches. Betsy said, look,
this might happen. It happened in my reality, doesn't mean
is going to happen in yours, you know.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But well, that's that's just it, though, because with all
the different I mean, think about this from another perspective though,
because there's so many conflicting theories about what would happen
if you actually do travel back in time. Because because
the one thing that everybody agrees on is at some
point future time travel, traveling into the future will likely
at some point become possible. Traveling backwards in time not
(37:29):
so much so. If this becomes a thing. One of
the biggest things that we have right now are two
different theories that are fighting with one another, where when
you travel back in time, you are traveling back into
your own history, or when you travel back in time,
you've immediately offshoot and branched off into a new timeline
(37:49):
because anything that you do while you're there is going
to impact the timeline, and they're therefore that kind of
gets rid of the entire temporal paradox thing. Like you know,
remember back to the future, when Marty starts disappearing. If
the newest paradox, Yeah, if the new if the newer
theory of anything you do from that point forward just
(38:10):
basically just forges a new timeline, then it would be
impossible for you to make your future self disappear because
you and your you as your past self would be
disconnected from that.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Right.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
So that's that's a whole different and let's say more
or less shittier. Yeah, and again talking about this is
around when Cern fired up too, and we've talked about
you know, Curn at length on the show with a
Mandela effect, and you know, it's again pop culture. It
is like we are in the shittiest timeline. So yeah,
(38:42):
it's it's one of those things that's just become you're
red as fact, you know. So but again you got
to think you're with your two thousand brain. This was
all still relatively cutting edge ship. I mean, all of it,
the Internet, you know, theoretical physics, just all of it
(39:05):
was at the time, it wasn't part of the collective
conscience where you know, you could just kind of like,
you know, spout it out and everybody knew what you're
talking about. He had to go into some pretty lengthy
detail about well, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Mean you're kind of hitting the nail on the head there,
because I mean it's not like time travel wasn't anything
that had been thought about. I mean, it had been
you know, postulated for forever. I mean it was starting
to become part of pop culture as far back as
the sixties was Star Trek and even before that, but
there wasn't there wasn't a lot of scientific thought. And
now how it happened, it was just we're going to
(39:39):
figure out how to do this for TV because you know,
it's a sci fi show one step away from a
kid's show. Nobody, nobody's really gonna care. But with this guy,
there's just again going into all the different details that
he got right that are now the things that are
just being talked about. And think about this from this perspective,
because we keep talking about we haven't really progressed much lately,
(40:02):
think about how much things have actually progressed in some
ways since we started talking about AI, because it's like,
all of a sudden there's been this informational explosion again,
So think about what that's going to be like eleven
twelve years from now, when this guy supposedly traveled back
in time.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Well, I mean, if you want me to put it
in perspective, it's been Jeff correct me if I'm wrong
on this. It's been three years since we did a
cyber Chill episode, and and that time AI was just
boring dipshit chat bots. Now one could argue they're not
much different. And if you've interacted with Grock lately, especially
(40:42):
on the paid version, it's basically a search engine with
a shitty chat bot attached to it. But yeah, it's
it's weird that the paid version is actually worse than
the free version, but that's we talked about that on
other shows. Yeah, one of the things that cracked me
up about this you using the back to the Future
(41:07):
theme song and everything too, was his mode of transportation,
because the one thing we kind of glossed over, you know,
when we were talking about the two micro singularities and
blah blah blah blah blah. Initially it was installed in
a sixty seven Corvette.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
Then it was later installed in an eighty seven four
wheel drive truck. So I'm just saying, I mean, why
not a car and the sixty seven Corvette would have
made a hell of a lot more sense, you know,
if you're going back to seventy five to get the
you know, because I don't recall if he made two
trips or if it was one trip and just a
(41:45):
meandering path going back. I think it was just one trip,
which would make the eighty seven and four wheel drive
not make sense. I mean practicality, yes, but from a
you know, things out of place that we're gonna be
talking about later, the eighty seven Ford pickup in a
(42:06):
nineteen seventy five would be a little odd.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, what better way to show
you from the future than to show up in a
vehicle that's, you know, out of this time.
Speaker 11 (42:20):
Yeah, that would be like showing up in two thousand
with the Tesla using the same argument of the standless
steel body construction of like a cyber truck that they
use for the Dorian.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (42:33):
So, I just the one thing about John Teeter is
that that really sticks out with me on it is
that nobody has ever stepped forward to claim it. And
you know, there was some talk that it was alleged
that John Teeter was actually a h a friend of
(42:56):
the Teeter family known as Larry Haber who's an entertainment lawyer,
saying that it was either one of him or his
brothers that uh that was doing the posting. But they've
thoroughly denied it and their only tied to this is
to the John Teeter Foundation, which was just basically set
up to collect all of his postings online and write
(43:21):
a book. So that's about it.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I mean, I guess that. I mean, that's that is
an explanation, So I mean, you know.
Speaker 11 (43:35):
Yeah, but I mean it's I mean it And this
is like fifteen years after the fact too. You know,
it's kind of like going, yeah, we did it to
sell the book, but it's still going I mean, the
John Teeter subret it still gets two hundred thousand visits
a year. You know, people were still talking about him
twenty years later and still no clues. He just up
(43:59):
and vanished in late two thousand and one, right around
right before nine to eleven, which I thought was interesting
that he didn't mention nine to eleven, But again that
may not have been something from his timeline. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, I mean, you know, who knows. He could have
been fro he could have been from Red World and
Fringe where that didn't happen. You never know.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
Yeah, that's yeah, God, I forget about the Blue World.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
It had to be done, had to be done.
Speaker 11 (44:28):
Oh yeah, So I mean it's you're just getting to it,
you know. Just the fact that nobody has come forward,
that's what That's what sticks out with me. All hoaxers
eventually exposed themselves or get exposed. And even the Foundation
(44:51):
has done nothing since the release of the book. It
was just made to release the book and then since
I mean, what's happening to the money? Who knows? But
it is still it's you know, nobody's claimed authorship. There's
just a total lack of closure with it.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well, I mean, and think about this, though we're talking
about this happening between two like two thousand and two
thousand and one, we're now twenty three, twenty four to
twenty five years later depending on timeframes, and there's there's
there's nobody saying, no, we know definitely who that wasn't
real and this is who it was that really, especially
(45:31):
with the way things are now with it, I mean,
think about this from another from another perspective, how long
does it take any more for conspiracy theory to basically
be proven either correct or incorrect. And lately, granted most
of them have been being proven correct, but for this
one to have been around as long as it is,
(45:52):
and especially for now, I mean, even with folks like
me and you taking a harder look at it, it's
hard to find any way to one thousand percent say hey,
this is actually happened. I mean, we can poke holes
in it. There's plenty of data where we've been able
to find where you know, like you said, it may
have been this guy, or it may have been or
it may have been because of this, but there's nothing
that definitely says, you know, this guy, this guy was
(46:13):
it was a hoax and here's the proof.
Speaker 11 (46:16):
Yeah, I mean given it. I mean, granted, it's far
enough in the past where you know, like those who
are likely to just don't care, But in all this time,
he hasn't gotten docked and yeah or just yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Programming director is breaking the no no politics rule tonight, sir.
Speaker 11 (46:43):
Yeah, it's part of patriot that's funny. That's true though. Yeah,
I mean maybe that is the that'd be a weird
fucking timeline for that to be the John Conners of
the future. So yeah, I mean that's it's it's just
(47:06):
a mystery to me. And this is one that I
can't really take apart intellectually, just for the fact that
he's never come forward. Well the more there's more people
who've who have claimed to be dB Sweeney or dB Cooper.
I keep doing that. DBI Cooper then claimed to be Teeter.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Topic. Sorry, I had to be.
Speaker 11 (47:35):
I don't know why. Yeah, I know exactly why, because
I worked in a video store and I saw that
fucker's name like fifty times a day.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Back in the day. That's yeah, I never had I
never had a cool job like that.
Speaker 11 (47:52):
Yeah, It's wasn't as cool as you think it was.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like it was like the eighty high school kid dream job. Though.
Speaker 11 (48:03):
Yeah, you did get to watch any movie you wanted,
and a lot of times we'd get screeners. So screeners
were always cool. I know you and A you've talked
about it where it's you know, you get you get
to It'd come out on VHS for the store employees
or whatever, like weeks or months before, and I think
everybody who ever worked at a video starter has at
(48:23):
least one VHS copy that has that scroll on the bottom.
It is illegal to copy or duplicate this cassette.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Oh, my father in law had a couple of those
because for a while he was like in one of
the somehow he managed to get on a list for
the people that managed to pick like the Oscars and shit,
so he would randomly get some movies.
Speaker 11 (48:44):
My neighbors were on that did get boxes of DVDs
a ship that they'd have to watch before the Oscars.
They were part of the academy.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's just it. As far as I know, I didn't
think he was, but somehow he still managed to get
ahold of that crap. And I'm like, that's pretty cool though, but.
Speaker 11 (49:00):
Yeah, anyway, Oh so we blasted through that a little
bit quicker than I thought we would. Do you want
to take a quick break or you want to use
a quick hit before we go on break?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Ah, I mean, if you've got another quick hit we
can do. We can do that and then just do
the top of the hour. We've only got like ten
minutes as it is. Yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (49:21):
Let's do the Chinese tune one. That's fun. Okay, okay,
I'll sorry. So in two thousand and eight in Shangxea,
Southern China, archaeologists were excavating a Ming dynasty tomb been
sealed for about four hundred years, and as they cleared
(49:43):
the soil around the coffin, they've heard a metallic clink
and they found a small gold ring watch with Swiss
inscribed in English on the bottom of it. The hands
were frozen at ten o And yeah, so Switzerland didn't
(50:05):
exist during the Ming dynasty and neither did ring watches.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 11 (50:11):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing. So if it predates Switzerlan
by a couple hundred.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Years at least, but yeah, so keep in mind this
was supposedly the tomb was supposedly completely undisturbed, so there
was no signs of any looting or anything else. So
how exactly does this switch watch Swiss watchkin in there?
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Yeah, it was a modern design with an English inscription
on it. Also, you know Ming dynasty predating English as
we know it.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Uh so.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
Was it a time traveler in the Ming dynasty? I
mean that this is one of those things that was
the tomb truly sealed, because I mean, obviously you got
tomb raiders everywhere, not just in Egypt, but it was
largely undisturbed. So the other plausible theory, other than it
(51:10):
just being a straight up hoax by the uh yeah,
China is good at that too, is that a small
rodent had a path in there and was kind of
a pack rat thing, you know, like getting its little
shiny bits, and uh discovered this along its life somehow.
(51:30):
That's probably the most plausible because I mean, like I said,
the two was relatively undisturbed, so it's not like it
showed signs of tom raiders.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I think the funniest been is just you know, seeing
the photos from the archaeologists that were holding this thing,
and it's the tiny shiny gold thing straight out of
a modern jewelry or and they found it in a
tomb that was built around the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 11 (52:06):
Yeah, anywhere from three sixty eight to sometime in the
sixteen hundreds. Yeah, So it's kind of like, I mean, yeah,
it could get the road and doing it, but that's
pretty unlikely, I mean, not completely unlikely, but it's about
(52:28):
as unlikely as time travel. Well, as was posted in
the chat. According to the Vulcan Science Directive, time travel
does not exist.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well. Speaking of the improbabilities of time travel, here's another
really weird one real quick. Since we've still got time
for one more quick hit, let's talk about Rudolph Frintz.
In nineteen fifty a guy in Victorian clothes, silk hat
frock coate pops up in Times Square looking completely lost,
and he's hit by a taxi and dies. The police,
(53:01):
while investigating find eighteen seventies cash, a letter from eighteen
seventy six, a business card with his name all in
mid condition. The kicker Captain Rim. The cop investigating, digs
up in eighteen seventy six missing person's report for a
Rudolph Friends aged twenty nine who vanished in Times Square.
The guy's widow in nineteen thirty nine confirms her father
(53:24):
in law disappeared. It's like he stepped out of eighteen
seventy six and into nineteen fifties traffic.
Speaker 11 (53:32):
See. Now, this is one of those which came first,
the checking or the egg, because because you have this
story of it happening, and it's also become quite the
urban legend. You also have Jack Fanny's nineteen fifty one
short story I'm Scared, which covers kind of the same thing.
(53:55):
So it's that which came first, the urban legend or
the short story there was the short story written based
off of these events, or is the short story the
basis of the urban legend. It's see, that one's kind
(54:15):
of a head scratcher, because, I mean the timing is
very similar. I mean, yeah it all. I mean, time
travel has been done to death in every possible way
in pulp fiction, one way or another. But this is
a little too on the nose, you know, one way
or another.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
You know, yeah, a little bit, little bit, all right.
So since I came up with another idea for the
music break at the mid for the next section, let's
go ahead and we'll go ahead and play a song
and then go to the top of the hour break.
This one's a bit long, so I'm not gonna I'm
(54:54):
not gonna run the whole thing, but we'll just go
ahead and take a music in elude right here so
we can get notes pulled back up, get ready for
hour two, and then you guys will know what we're transitioning,
because you're here the usual ads and intros here in
about five. So this is a deep cut I've never
heard before, and I thought it might be interesting. Something
called time Machine by Beggar's Opera. If it sucks, don't
(55:18):
blame me.
Speaker 11 (55:19):
I wanted to try something different.
Speaker 12 (56:15):
So it's one time machine. Well we can't tea.
Speaker 13 (56:25):
Oh way.
Speaker 12 (56:28):
Fuckload. Why God, it's Canes.
Speaker 7 (56:34):
Time machine.
Speaker 10 (56:51):
That's sudden.
Speaker 12 (56:54):
Escape sun destiny.
Speaker 10 (57:05):
We will flee, he will find a start God suwar time.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
When all man w.
Speaker 17 (57:42):
Yes, way, I trust us, Lets you to start stand.
Speaker 12 (58:09):
Why haven't seen it's mister.
Speaker 13 (58:15):
Sides find the place whether or not to run together
(58:35):
like the water in.
Speaker 15 (58:36):
A stream, I would be supp the bone. They want
to run to the weather with a legacy, this.
Speaker 12 (59:04):
Universe, infinite space.
Speaker 13 (59:13):
You ta.
Speaker 7 (59:15):
Wall where.
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He at least you've managed to hang under your account
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Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
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Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
It's Hey, I got to talk about that musical. I
don't would you left us out with before the commercials?
I know, I know that was completely unheard by you
prior to posting it. To playing it. That was the
most unironic spinal tap ship I have ever heard.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Well, I don't think it was my own that was.
Speaker 11 (01:05:41):
That was the uh that was the Stonehenge moment. But
on purpose, Okay, I had to get that off my chest.
I was listening to it when I went to go
get another cup of tea and feel better. Know I
(01:06:02):
just you know what, if I didn't say it, I
was just gonna stew about it anyway. So I got
that off my chest.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Do you notice the only music you like is yours?
Not true, liar?
Speaker 13 (01:06:17):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 11 (01:06:19):
I didn't mind Imagine Dragons, except I heard it three
times a week every show I was on with you
for two years.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Dude, you were complaining about that song like on the
third show. That's why I played it too often.
Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
No, it was like a three hundredth show. Taste the Biscuit. Yes,
that's what we need to play. Taste the Biscuit. Biscuit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
I like Jet's music too. I like yours, just like
I said that. Imagine dragons started wearing on me.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Sure it wasn't I was playing. I don't really care.
Speaker 11 (01:06:58):
Oh right was your break?
Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yeah it was. I mean I didn't really go anywhere
and do anything, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It was superfluous, but it's okay.
Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
It was a staycase.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Gave gave me a chance to figure out where we
were in my notes, because we've been flipping back and
forth with Wed a couple of efforts. It's of notes,
and I got kind of lost for a minute. So
the good news is I figured out where I am now.
Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
So good. Well, if he could let me know, that'd
be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
So yeah, we're gonna continue our deeper dive into time
travels hidden clues. So next up on our hit parade
would be Sir Robert Victor Goddard. Remember this guy?
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, this one.
Speaker 11 (01:07:42):
I think we actually when we were talking about From
You to Triangle, we kind of threw this in as
a similar experience. Yeah, because it is pretty close to
a uh, I mean, it shares a lot of the
hallmarks for the Yeah, try that again in English with
a Bermuda triangle and it's kind of a compelling story
(01:08:05):
because this is again from one of the you know,
it's not just some crackpot. I mean, this is you know,
in nineteen thirty five, he was an RAF Air marshal
and respected officer, and so he was flying his Hawker
Heart biplane from and Over to Edinburgh and passing over
(01:08:28):
a Drem airfield in Scotland and at the time it
was abandoned, crumbling hangars over and runways and it had
basically just gone to pasture. And on his return flight
he hit a bizarre storm with yellow clouds, lost control
for a moment, he emerged into the sunlight and he
saw Drem transformed. It was operational with yellow painted planes
(01:08:52):
and mechanics and blue overall overalls, which was not the
style at the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
I mean, it's almost like when he flew through those clouds,
yellow yellow clouds, there was kind of some sort of
a fast forward thing going on because suddenly the dilapidated
airfear is all bustling, the runways were clear, and he's
seeing all these yellow planes and mechanics and blue overall. Yeah,
let's not, let's not. There was also a monoplane, which
(01:09:18):
was not common at the time either.
Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
Yeah, no, this was he described it. Flash forward to uh,
nineteen thirty nine when he was retired. At that point
he was visiting Drum Airfield and it was exactly what
he had seen.
Speaker 18 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I mean down to the last detail. The planes
had gone yellow, mechanics were wearing blue, and the magister's
flying And Goddard said, so he saw this in nineteen
thirty nine and as well as in nineteen thirty five.
Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
Yeah. Yeah, so it was you know it, you know,
it was kind of a you know, was it a
precognitive vision? Did he travel through time? You know briefly?
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Did anyone ever ask him if he was spelling murd toast?
Speaker 11 (01:10:14):
Yeah, it was he smelling burn toast. You know, they've
tried to explain this away as like misremembering things, but
he reported nineteen thirty five, and it wasn't like you know,
he reported it later when writing a book. He documented
it at the time. So and these were things that
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weren't really prolific enough for them to you know, it was.
It wasn't standard in the RAF for a training field.
It became standard four years later. So it's that kind
of that again, did it become that way because of
(01:10:59):
his ports or you.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Know, I see, I find that a little less probable
because of anything. I think if they were gonna you know,
I don't know. That just seems kind of weird, Like, hey,
since he reported all this stuff, but he looked this way,
those are really good ideas. We should do that.
Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
Yeah, we should be the model planes. Fuck, that's a
fantastic idea.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
It's just a little weird. Hey, you know, yellow yellow
planes makes sense, and soda blue overalls. We should we
should do that.
Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
That's catchy. It's kicky, a little brat, It's.
Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Got a nice little kish to it. We should do
that anyway. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah, this is another
one that you know, while it's on one of our
Quicker hit list topics, it's one of the ones that
has kind of a little bit of teeth to it
because this isn't some crackpot. This isn't dude, you know,
this was a trained pilot. I mean, and let's let's
think about that for a second, because I mean, yes, pilots,
(01:11:56):
whether they're army pilots, air force pilots, naval aviators, they
are kicking people. But back then it took an entirely
different breed because these people were like, you know, had
the only reason they could still see when they were
flying was because of goggles and there was no fly
by wire or nothing. It was all muscle.
Speaker 11 (01:12:12):
So yeah, they were canvas and these guys were completed.
Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 11 (01:12:22):
You know it's again air marshal. That's what I keep
coming back to on the story. You know, it's just
like with Shackleton and you know, the you know, in
his stories, and it just it's that you've reached, not
to say that. You know, the people's propensity to spin
(01:12:45):
wild yarns isn't universal. It's not just you know, limited
to the lower echelon of society. But still, when you've
got things like an admiral or you know, an air
marshal in your title, you're kind of a serious person.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
You know, it's not you know, well at least until
the last administration.
Speaker 11 (01:13:07):
Yeah, well sorry, I had again, you broke the rule
this time. I know, I wasn't there for Gryffindor it
wasn't the.
Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
First one, so it doesn't count anyway. So oh dude,
we have a lot more to cover.
Speaker 11 (01:13:23):
So we do we do the next one is, actually,
these are two very similar stories. So when we talk
about this first one, you're gonna say, no, I heard
that a different one, because there's two stories that are
very similar. The first one is the nineteen thirty eight
factory workers footage. And in this there's a documentary film
(01:13:48):
at the Dumont fact at the DuPont factory in uh Leominster, Massachusetts,
and I captured workers leaving the plant, and among them
was a young woman holding a device to her ear
and appearing to talk into it, resembling a cell phone.
(01:14:09):
There's video. You can find video of it on the internet.
It suggested that the time travel I mean, why would
a time traveler go to the DuPont factory, But still,
why wouldn't they? You know, it's one of the popular
tropes in sci fi too, is you know, time traveling anthropologists,
time traveling archaeologists who go back to the time, you know,
(01:14:33):
to see how the common folk lived and you know whatever.
But yeah, it again, it's the way she's holding it
and the way she's you know, talking into it very
much appears to be a modern cell phone.
Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So yeah, I mean it's it's kind of it's honestly
some kind of creepy footage, and it's actually been authenticated too,
so it's showing workers leaving the factory. The woman pictured
to seventeen years old. Some say her name was likely
Gertrude Jones. So she's holding this small black device and
talking into it. Cell phone was won around until the
nineteen eighties, and let's not forget the ones who were
(01:15:14):
around in the nineteen eighties weren't exactly small either.
Speaker 11 (01:15:19):
So one of the excuse me, one of the theories
in this was that it could have been a similar
prototype Jupot was working on in nineteen thirty seven. Don
Hings was developing one of the first walkie talkies, but
this they were still quite large. Okay, this is looking
(01:15:42):
more like, you know, not so much like your modern smartphone,
but more like a modo Razor or Nokia that for
some reason there's the number one cell phone company on
the planet, nobody actually owns one. That's different theory, but.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
One of the other things that they've tried, one of
the other cover stories they've tried to give it was that,
you know the size of the device would have been
akin to what was considered what would have been considered
hearing aid technology back then. But again, why would a
seventeen year old working at a factory need a hearing aid?
Speaker 11 (01:16:25):
Yeah, I mean even if you're testing it for DuPont
scientists or whatever, that one doesn't really resonate with me,
just for the fact that it's not that nineteen thirties
eer a hearing aids. There were the kind you had
put in your pocket, so it would have been a
longer court. She wouldn't have been holding it close to
(01:16:47):
her ear like that, because that would be you've been
getting a lot of feedback. You know, somebody who wears
hearing AIGs, I can tell you you'd be getting a
lot of feedback. So I mean I did just when
I cut my hand over my ear or that's why
I can't anyway, Yes, fun time women lakes that anyway,
(01:17:10):
that's my personal story. I'm not going to get into that. Yes, guns,
rock and roll and swimming in lakes.
Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Here's the other thing though, assuming that she is in
fact a time traveler, and that's a cell phone, there
were no cell towers, so who the heck was she talking?
Speaker 11 (01:17:28):
Who is she telling you? That's the one thing that
always I don't get with these stories unless it's even
beyond cell phone technology that we're thinking of that we know,
and this is some temporal some temporal smartphone I don't know,
(01:17:50):
you know where, But yeah, it doesn't make sense that
you know, because they you know, say, well it looks
like they're talking on the modern cell phone. Well there's
no cell towers, Like you said, who are they talking to?
But inversely, these are time travelers. Why wouldn't they have
a communication device that they could take with them so
they could talk back to or you know, transcribe notes
or whatever too.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean there is that. I mean
assuming you know, if they've been smart enough enough to
figure out time travel, they probably have figured out some
form of temporal communication.
Speaker 11 (01:18:21):
I would assume, yeah, yeah, or you know, just for dictation.
But you know, dictation has gotten so small that you know,
you can store a lot of recording on a very
small device now, so that would be too big unless
it's I don't know, again, we're speculating with future tech
using modern tech. That's kind of but hey, star Trek
(01:18:47):
did it, dude?
Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Star Trek is the reason we have most of our
modern tech.
Speaker 9 (01:18:54):
I know.
Speaker 11 (01:18:54):
That's fucking nerds.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Kind of like one of those two in the egg
kind of things, because we're like.
Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
You know again, yeah, it's kind of like the pads
in a next generation. You know who came up with
that first Star Trek or Cook?
Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
So I'm gonna say probably Star Trek.
Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
Yeah. Well yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
See.
Speaker 11 (01:19:18):
The similar story to that goes back even further, and
that is the nineteen twenty eighth premiere of Charlie Chaplin's
The Circus. Oh I love it. Yeah, I do too,
because this one's again very You can find this on
the DVD extras, and it shows a woman walking by
(01:19:41):
holding of a device to her ear and talking similar
to the DuPont Factory story as resembling a modern cell
phone again not smartphone, more motile razor. So you have
to wonder was their time travel in the nineties and
we just didn't know it in two thousands. I Loved
My Razor. This was discovered. The footage was discovered by
(01:20:04):
George Clark in twenty ten, and again another clip that
just went absolutely viral. The woman's actions speaking into a
hand sized device just it doesn't make sense for the time,
and again with the hearing aid talking into the device,
why why would you be talking into a hearing aid
(01:20:26):
that that part of the story just doesn't track with me,
and again, massive feedback. If you tried that, well it's
not well.
Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I mean this kind of lends credence to that whole
you know, time traveling, you know, archaeologist kind of thing,
because remember that episode from Star Trek the Next Generation
where they tried to pull that actually a couple of
different times. There was the one time when Picard took
short leave to Risa and there were some time travelers
who were supposedly, you know, archaeologists trying to recover something,
and it turns out they were the ones that stole it.
(01:20:58):
It happened again, I think it was season six or
season seven where the dude that played why can I
never think of his name, same guy that plays Max
Headroom that was also in your uh played a played
a bit part in that episode and was supposed to
be an archaeologist from the future. It turns out he
was a thief again. But yeah, so I mean it
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it's just I mean, can you I mean, I would
I would have to admit if I had the ability
to go back in time, you know, going back and
checking out a chaplain Premiere would probably be top on
my list.
Speaker 11 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I don't know if taken in the future tech
with me, right, yeah, yeah, especially to be obvious. But yeah,
it's you know, it's time specific. It's not like you know,
it's This is actually from the premiere at Grammin's Chinese
Theater of Charlie Chaplin's film, So I mean it's it's
(01:22:00):
it's entirely too plausible for me, you know, and the
explanations don't wash.
Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:22:09):
The closest thing I could think was, yeah, the proto
walkie talkie tech that that I could get on board with,
But then why would you have one? Even then, this
is at the Charlie Chaplin premiere in twenty eight that's
even pre dates the earliest waukie talkie tech. So we're
saying walkie talk modern day.
Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Let's not forget, though, that the walkie talkie, the original
prototype walkie talkies were freaking huge.
Speaker 11 (01:22:39):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So to see that would have been I mean to
put this in perspective, the first cell phone was about
the size of a fairly large brick compared to what
we have today, so were the first walkie talkies. So
for them to say, well, it might have been you know,
wireless radio communication device. Okay, well that that is a
(01:23:05):
plausible explanation until you look at the size because if
everybody's equating it with what would have been a cell
phone of around the time, because let's not forget phones
got a lot smaller before they got back to these
full sized computers we keep in our pockets.
Speaker 11 (01:23:21):
Yeah, you're talking. I mean, this is the error of transistors,
you know, and you know, give the big you know,
it was before long before solid state and long before microchip.
So you had to say about the size of a
cell phone. And again I've got to go back to
the walkie talkie one. Why are you talking into not
(01:23:43):
the walkie tech, why are you talking into your own
hearing aid? Because both of these people, in both of
these instances, they're not walking next to somebody talking to them.
Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:23:51):
It's not like they're having a conversation with this person
who's holding their hearing aid up to hear. They're just
going about their business.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Yeah, maybe if there was, if there was somebody next
to them, you know, and it looked like they were
actually like talking in their direction or something, I could
almost see the hearing aid thing makes sense almost, But
just I don't know. Like I said, there's just not
any type of plausible explanation for this for me, because
I mean we're talking about the twenties and thirties. Yes,
there was the beginnings of some modern style technology, you know,
(01:24:24):
with radios and everything else, but they were still really
really big devices. There wouldn't have been any way to
fit it in the palm of your hand. So the
closest equivalent would have been a hearing aid for the time,
because that was something that was about that equivalent size
back then. But there's no practical use for them to
be being used in those scenes the way they were
being used.
Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
I mean, you've got to even going with the walkie talkie,
So you got to put your head in the timeframe too.
Where the smallest radio just radio I've seen from around
here until you get into the fifties, plastic, fantastic are
those classic wood radios with the big you know, the
(01:25:07):
kind of like the mantlepiece radios that they actually were
designed to be put on your mantle and the big
dial on it to tune in a radio station, and
the big speaker on it. That was state of the
art commercial tech at that time. You know, the tech
(01:25:29):
wasn't small enough to I mean, if a radio just
the radio end of it was that big, how big
was the transmitter? So that's this just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I mean, there's no other way to say it. It
just it does not work at all.
Speaker 11 (01:25:48):
Yeah, so that one. Those are actually creepier than you know,
the other stories because the only plausible explanations for him
are worse than the time travel explaining nation because they
just don't make sense. Yes, Jeff, back in the time
when we would joyfully shop at radio shock. God, I
(01:26:09):
missed that. I missed Radio.
Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Radio Shack was fun, dude. That's the search search.
Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
Every place that anti social psychotic would frequent. Okay, I'm
heading them radio Shack.
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Hey, I'm feeling called out here, sir.
Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
No.
Speaker 11 (01:26:27):
I love the radio Shack is. I mean, it's where
else could you be to get a USB cable and
a DC motor whatever project you were working on. Hey,
I need a way to I need to and the
people who work there too. Hey, I need a way
to connect my PC too, and long before Adreno and
(01:26:48):
everything else. Yeah, I want I want to power a
fan off my PC on or whatever. And it's like
we'll take this USB cable cut, this off cut these
put these two wires connect him on here. It's just
like surely shit, you know, it's like every one of
them had everybody who worked at a radio shack had
an electronics degree.
Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Well, I mean it was a different time. I mean
that's like, you know, used to the folks that worked
at hardware stores were hardware experts. Folks that worked at
electronics stores were electronics experts. And it's just how things were.
I love what him just putting this. Yet he said,
I set a record as the longest part time worker
at radio Shack.
Speaker 11 (01:27:30):
He was the number one capacity for salesman. That's what
he says in the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Yeah, so even more specific.
Speaker 11 (01:27:37):
Yeah, and Al probably went and looked, he said, even
more specific. She looks like she's talking in a two
thousand and five no Kia phone circ. Two thousand and
five No Kia phone, the bulletproof phone, the one that
they sold a auter box four as a joke because
the auto box would break before the phone would. Fantastic phone.
Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I remember that phone. That was That was that was
when this was when every show had that ring tone too.
Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I think I still have that ring tone no,
I just go into fault. You know, I'm the kind
of person who's just too fucking lazy to change the
ring tone. Whatever the default tone is, that's that's my tone, dude,
I used to.
Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
It's funny though, because remember when cell phones were like
a first becoming a thing, and they got to the
point where you could, you know, set individual ring tones
for your different contexts, and we all did that, dude,
I know I did that. I had different ring tones
for everybody. Now now my phone's on silent ninety nine
percent of the time and I don't care.
Speaker 11 (01:28:40):
If you remember when you used to have to buy
ring tones, yes, I remember, and they weren't chieving like
three ninety nine. You know, it's like, yeah, you give
them some JANKI sites. I'd have like ten ring tones
for ninety nine cents, and then.
Speaker 9 (01:28:55):
You know, you.
Speaker 11 (01:28:57):
Get scammed, and that'd be one of the first instances
of you're at it getting ruined because you gave your
credit card to a chinking website. God miss the early
days and the Internet. So that was the true definition
of caveat empoor.
Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Pretty much.
Speaker 11 (01:29:14):
Because every website was a sketchy website. You had to
gauge your gut feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Yeah, it was follow your gut, follow your gut. Well,
believe it or not, sir, we are at the bottom
of the hour again.
Speaker 11 (01:29:27):
Nice, We've still got a couple of stories left too, all.
Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Right, So since I had since I went ahead and
played the original bottom of the hour for a second
hour break, I came up with something else timing I
me to throw in the mix. So we're gonna go
to break with this one. Stay tuned, folks, you're listening
to Juxtaposition more on time travel after this musical interdude, eh,
(01:33:00):
and welcome back into the final segment of this week's Druxtaposition,
where we're doing a deep drive on time travel. So
I figured what more appropriate last minute time travel song
than one of the first shows that introduced me to
time travel before it went nuts?
Speaker 11 (01:33:16):
Who It hit me during the break, tom Baker's getting
up there in yours. Yeah, not wishing yell on him,
and you know, may he live forever, but when he passes,
the collective rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth of
the internets and the world is going to be unheard of.
(01:33:40):
Well it doesn't like Tom Baker. Everybody you can have
your favorite doctor that isn't Tom Baker, but Tom Baker
is you look at Tom Baker, that's the doctor. Yes,
I mean, I mean especially for gen X because we
all grew up with the PBS pledge drives watching Doctor
Who on you know, with me, it was Saturday night
so whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:34:02):
Yeah, So usually when I came back from the party,
Doctorhood be coming on, I'd make myself a case IDIA
and settle in for some really bad, really really bad
practical effects but fantastic storytelling.
Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:34:15):
Well, and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Something that's one of the things that drives me crazy
about modern sci fi. They've gotten so effects heavy that
they're like, but we're putting out him. We're putting out
a movie style episode every hour, and I'm like, it
doesn't matter because your story stucks.
Speaker 11 (01:34:33):
Did you see who's the next next Doctor is going
to be?
Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
As far as I knew, I thought they were keeping
the one they have now.
Speaker 11 (01:34:40):
No, he they just had the episode where he reachined
yeah quous every man tomorrow. He well, I'm breaking it
to you today.
Speaker 7 (01:34:52):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (01:34:52):
He hit me with the uh he hit.
Speaker 6 (01:34:56):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (01:34:57):
Yeah, I'm a time traveler. He's a time traveler and
just posted to Billy Piper Rose is the new doctor. Okay,
that could be pretty cool, but here's what I said
about it. I'm cautiously optimistic. But here's the problem. Unless
BBC has changed their culture and realized that it's not working,
and unless the writers unfunck the writing room, it's going
(01:35:21):
to be like when they brought David Tennant back, just
fucking terrible.
Speaker 10 (01:35:27):
See.
Speaker 12 (01:35:27):
I still I still kind of enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
I mean, granted, I don't like the fact that it
was basically they didn't decide to do a full season
with it. They only did like two or they did
like what was it, three specials, But I still enjoy
I still enjoyed the most recent round with Tennant.
Speaker 11 (01:35:42):
It was the actor came out of his dick.
Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Well that was a little weird. But yeah, when in
the last episode that I remember watching the Baddie just
by it generated So I mean, that's like the new
thing now. Yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Okay, so how weird is that though, because I mean,
you know, we'll talk about that afterwards. We still got
a couple of time travel Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Well, I mean it's not as weird as you think though,
because remember when Capaldi became the doctor, he kept asking himself,
I've seen this face before? Where have I seen this
face before? And in one of Capaldi's last episodes, he says,
I finally realized why I chose this face. So it's
not that unheard of for the Doctor to regenerate as
somebody that he's seen or been around before. They broke
(01:36:30):
that wall with Capaldi because remember Capaldi actually played a
bit character in the whole Pompey thing.
Speaker 11 (01:36:36):
No, here's why it's weird because Tenants doctor was kind
of in love with Rose, so anyway, it just kind
of it. It could be weird. They can make it weird,
they can not address it, or they can make it
fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Well let's well, before we get into the final couple
of stories, let's not forget that the Doctor Who world
is already weird because the David Tennant is married to
the person who played his daughter in the show who
is actually is actually the daughter of another actor that's
played Doctor Who.
Speaker 11 (01:37:13):
So yeah, it's Peter Davidson's daughter. Yeah, so, Baker, if
you're not.
Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Familiar, the weirdness is already baked in, sir.
Speaker 11 (01:37:21):
Okay, that's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
So anyway, So enough of the rabbit hole that is
known as Doctor Who, because I could seriously talk about
this double day because I have I have grown up
on Doctor almost as much as I did Star Treks.
Speaker 11 (01:37:36):
Anyway, I I Yeah, So Andrew Carlson, that's weird because
there's two s's in there. Carlson no relation to mister Carlson,
no no, or missus Carlson. So in two thousand and three,
a gentleman named Andrew Carlson turned eight hundred dollars into
(01:37:59):
three hundred and fifty million dollars in two weeks through
one hundred and twenty six perfect high risk stock train
stock trades, drawing the SEC SEC scrutiny. He claimed to
be a time traveler from twenty two to fifty six
using future knowledge and then completely vanished after posting bail.
Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, so they arrested him for in some of your training.
Speaker 11 (01:38:24):
Yeah, and uh, he posted bail and was never seen
or heard from again. Now, a lot of this is
debunked because there is no the claimants of hoax, because
there are no SEC records regarding Carlson or you know,
(01:38:44):
but if you had somebody completely vanish without a trace,
because again this is in two thousand and three, you
had close circuit TVs at every airport, train station. I mean,
this is the of paranoia and the Patriot Act. So
(01:39:06):
and nobody got into or out of this country without
at least three agencies knowing. Well, so here's here's some
of the weird stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Right. So before he just you know, before somebody posted
them out on bill, which by the way, was not cheap.
Somebody got him out on bill for a million bucks
and dude completely disappeared. But before he managed to figure
out how to make that happen, he was offering people things.
And think about when this was because he was offering
to spill secrets like you know where Osama bin Laden was,
(01:39:34):
or an age cure that he knew about for a deal.
But then somebody built him out for a million bucks
and he disappeared. But so as weird as those things are,
there was no record of this man being anywhere in
any system before two thousand and two.
Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Yeah, he he's a ghost. He didn't exist. So I mean,
it's more of it being a hoax. This if I
were to give it a pause, you know, some pausible deniability,
not some pausible deniability, but a possible you know thing.
This is more of an operation Swordfish kind of thing.
But then again, one and twenty six perfect perfectly time trades.
Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I mean, you know, we don't we don't talk about
odds much on this show, but can you imagine the
odds it would take to do that successfully one hundred
and twenty six times?
Speaker 11 (01:40:28):
Yeah, it'd be like you're in Congress.
Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah you earned that one. But yeah, I mean think
about that though, so other than your fellow other than
your local congress crider, as far as I don't, nobody's
that lucky.
Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
Righty, semi local, but yeah, yeah, not my particular card,
but yeah, exactly, So, I mean that's just and again
you know, oh there were no records, well there were
no records of them at all, but you know what
you could do with this time e trade. It took
(01:41:08):
nothing to open an e trade account back in the day.
Do you have debit card? The baby?
Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I remember the each trade babies. Those were so cool.
Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
Yeah, that was that was a pretty good ad campaign.
So yeah, with this one, I mean it's funny is
that it's Weekly World News that debunked the story, but
Snopes gives doesen't because this is completely a weakly world
news is wheelhouse. This would be something that they should
be all over. They're like, no, this didn't happen because
(01:41:41):
there are it's a hoax because there's no SEC records.
Sorry if that's your only criteria.
Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Oh yeah, just anyway, I don't I don't know. Again,
I mean, the weirdest thing for me, right, Okay, So
so let's just say it was some sort of CIA
hoax or whatever. How did he still manage to pull
off one hundred and twenty six perfect trains?
Speaker 10 (01:42:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
I mean the other thing you can say is that
the story never happened. There was never an Andrew Carlson's
But then why is there so much documentation about it?
You know, this is one of those okay again, birth
of the Internet? Is this a viral story that you
know back in the time, well, you know for the
term viral took off. Is this something that like, you know,
(01:42:32):
took on a life of its own or because this
isn't like you know, it's not some ship posts. Just
I mean that there was actual research downe on it.
So I don't buy the no SEC records.
Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Yeah, I don't really buy that either.
Speaker 11 (01:42:49):
But then again, and it's like I said, are they
really what are the SEC records going to say, Yeah,
we busted this guy for who turned eight hundred dollars
into three and fifty million dollars. He offered us all
the shit, got out on bail and then vanished. I mean,
three hundred and fifty million dollars, you're gonna show up.
So there's even since two thousand, there's very few places
(01:43:15):
in the world where you can move that kind of
money and nobody would know it and nobody would report it.
Cayman Islands ain't it anymore. Cayman Islands has been KYC
for a couple of decades, so you know that's Switzerland
is definitely not KYC. I think it's the Philippines and
in some cases of Nevada. And we talked about this
(01:43:36):
with another story with large amounts of money too, and
you know that's yeah, you're not you're not getting away
with it and not I mean, yeah, eighties, nineties, maybe
post post nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Fuck no, yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 11 (01:43:56):
So the other thing is like, okay, so three hundred
and fifty million dollars, where you go with it? I mean,
if you bury it in the backyard, that's not doing
anything because in you know, twenty two fifty six, three
hundred and fifty million dollars might buy you a chick lit.
Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Yeah, it might might might. So yeah, I remember when
Quantum Leap, like on the Pilot, when he's like, I
gotta get a I don't think I didn't think it
was the pilot. At one point he was talking about
having to get a stamp and it was like one
hundred fifty bucks for his stamp, and everybody was like,
holy shit. Yeah but yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
Weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Yeah, I can just imagine. All right, So we're into
the home stretch. We've got one final topic and we
saved one of the more cool ones for last and
fun intended, so we're still time traveling hipster on the list.
Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
This one's everyone's favorite because yeah, it's this is another
one of those photographs that just can't be explained. I
mean it could be explained. Yeah, everything, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Everything has an explanation, but it's you know, it's how
how like the whole you know, maybe it's a hearing aid,
you know that makes sense if you don't understand how
the technology work. Time. So, I mean, everything has an explanation,
but at the same time, it's you know, it's one
of those I feel like this is kind of the
MiB thing before they came up with the neuralizers, and
they're they're just you know, trying to explain it all
(01:45:28):
the way.
Speaker 11 (01:45:30):
Yeah, and that's what comes from me. If you're not
familiar with it. There's a nineteen forty one photo from
South Fork Bridge reopening in Canada, and and it just
shows a dude wearing sunglasses, a printed shirt, and holding
a small camera and it absolutely just looks like somebody
walked out of circa twenty eleven and right in I
(01:45:51):
mean just you know, your general Starbucks patron you say, hey,
you know it would be cool, let's travel on time
and go back to the South Fork Bridge real, you
know that kind of And it's it's very out of place.
It's very jarring. It's a it's a little disconcerting to see.
Once you see it in the photo, you're like, that's
(01:46:13):
out of place. I mean, this dude had to Okay,
you could have gotten all of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:46:22):
It's the sunglasses, they're a classic style. They've been available
since the twenties. The shirt style, yeah, kind of, but
it's you know, and the camera. Yeah, Kodak made a
(01:46:43):
portable one in nineteen thirty eight, but yeah, this would
have been extraordinarily casual dress for the time, and not
the kind of casual dress you just went out to
events in. Because again you have to put self in
perspective of the time you are, everybody wears a suit
(01:47:06):
or there was basically two kinds of people in the world,
those who wore a suit and those who were overalls.
There was very little in between. And this time, I
mean this was like, you know, right around the start
of World War.
Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Two, So.
Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
If you were going to something like this, you would
put on a suit. I mean, shit, people put on
suits to fly on a plane. We need to bring
that back, because it is just.
Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
To get on the train.
Speaker 11 (01:47:36):
Yeah shit, you get dressed for dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I mean so, I mean, and that's what makes all
of this so anachronistic for me, because it's just it's
completely out of time. It's not that the things didn't exist.
I mean, dude was wearing a hockey jersey. Everybody knows
there were hockey jerseys back then. Like you said that,
there was a camera that was comparable for the time.
There there was the glasses style that's been around since
(01:48:01):
the twenties. But it's all things that nobody would have
worn in public back then.
Speaker 11 (01:48:06):
Not in that not to go to an event like that,
And the closest you would have gotten to where somebody
would have been in this fashion sense would have been
the mid fifties. You know, it's now hipster's you know,
kind of like they're ironically throwing back to the fifties.
This wouldn't have been you know, the style of the time.
You know, they were still wearing onions on their belt then.
(01:48:27):
I mean, this was about fifteen years ahead of his
time in trendsetting.
Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
So it just.
Speaker 11 (01:48:41):
And even that. Okay, so time travelers are dressing up
like an ironically, you know, ironically dressing up like two
thousand and one Starbucks patrons. Maybe yeah, it's like, hey,
maybe know I did to blend it in two thousand.
Fuck I overshot him in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Like dun, dun, dun. I mean, dude, it's like, you know,
it's like the remember the episodees of the Star Trek
when they would go into and they were trying to
blend in to like you know, get rid of the
prime directive and there was there was one episode. I
don't remember whether it was one of the newer ones
or one of the older ones, or they got it
wrong and they mean done the wrong. So it's kind
(01:49:20):
of what that reminded me of because I'm like the
la I mean, And this is the thing though, was
that want brother, if you're a time travel if you're
a time traveler and you're trying to blend in, did
you overshoot your mark or what happened? Because yeah, if
you were trying to blend in, you didn't quite make it. Yeah,
(01:49:45):
but still, yeah, this is the kind of thing with
time traveler.
Speaker 11 (01:49:48):
I mean, this is suits will always be in fashion
if you're a time traveler. Okay, if you're from the
year twenty two thirty eight listening to the replays at
this spot broadcast on whatever cake device you found shoehorned
in a basement of some collapsed building after post nuclear event,
(01:50:09):
and you want to go back in time, which swear
a suit you'll fit in in any time from like
nineteen ten to twenty twenty five. You got a pretty
good range in case you overshoot.
Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Well, So the reason a lot of the stuff that
we're talking about for the second half of the show
is proof that there are potential artifacts of time travel?
Is this because what's again what started me down this
rabbit hole was a couple about three four weeks ago
at this point, because we were supposed to have done
(01:50:44):
this one already, that article about from that was quoting
that Chukaku came out. So I started, you know, trying
to see how badly I could twist Rock's brain because
it occurred to me, I'm like, wait a minute, So
if at this point, if he's saying that time travel
is more an engineering problem at this point than a
(01:51:07):
scientific impossibility, doesn't that mean that somewhere time travel likely
already exists. So that was the first question that I
postulated to Rock, and then it started down its whole thing. Well,
I mean, yeah, it's probable, but there would be artifacts.
So that's when I started making it look for different
(01:51:27):
stories that were that were potential artifacts. And this is
the whole reason why I've been pointing these things out
because what started for me, as you know, if we're
now into the realm of scientific theory, not science fiction,
that means this stuff likely already exists. Because if time
travel is possible, that means somebody has already done it
(01:51:50):
at a future time. So what started me down this
rabbit hole was, well, how many instances are there things
that seem anachronistic that everybody's tried to explain away. And
think of the list that we've gone through. We've got
a switch watch and a Chinese pyramid in China in
the sixteen hundreds that you know that may or that
(01:52:11):
you know could be possibly explained as being brought in
by a rat or something, but still plausible, yes, improbable
in my estimation. Still also yes. Then you've got the
the two different instances where it looks like people are
talking on cell phones and they've been captured on both
(01:52:31):
you know, film and photos. Then you've got this guy
seeming completely out of place. I mean, if he's from
the time, then he would obviously know how they typically
dressed for the time. So he's either just thumbing his
nose at everything or he's not from around there. So
(01:52:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
Sorry, I had a mute com what it Gid's coming
back to me and this is something Jeff and I
have talked about a lot, and you know, it's yeah,
it's an engineering thing, and it kind of okay, if
you've got the engineering to do this, then you've got
the math to do this too. The thing with time travel,
and the thing that everybody gets wrong with time travel, especially,
(01:53:17):
and this is why Jeff absolutely fucking hates Back to
the Future, is that in order to go back in time,
you would have to know the exact position and let's
just say you're going to Earth. You would have to
have to know the exact position of Earth in the
universe as it's moving to hit your target. And that's
(01:53:45):
something we don't even know right now. So you know,
it's not like you know, you're it's like you're just
you know, asking Google for you know, a fucking street address,
and this you have to know the it's exact physical
and tis amperoal position in the universe to hit your mark.
(01:54:05):
But again, if you got the engineering where you can
just put a couple of top spin fucking micro singularities
in a sixty seven Corvette and go back to get
an IBM fifty one, you got the math.
Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
To do that.
Speaker 11 (01:54:16):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Oh, I mean again, for all I know, this stuff
starts happening in the year three thousand or something, but
the fact that we're now we now have actual people
with theoretical physics degrees saying that, hey, this stuff is
now more of an engineering problem than a complete impossibility.
(01:54:41):
That That's what afflors me because for them to be saying,
for them to be saying that, that means it likely
already exists somewhere, even if you know, going into this
alternate world theory again, maybe the reason we don't have
it yet is because it's already happened somewhere else and
we're not quite down the same evolutionary path yet or something.
I don't know, but that was the other thing that
(01:55:03):
honestly tripped me out today was We're sitting here getting
ready to do do a show about time travel, and
suddenly there's an article pops up about quantum mirrors.
Speaker 11 (01:55:11):
I was like, say what Now, See the thing that
gets me again, This is going to all sci fi.
It's all time travel sci fi. Even if you look
at like Terra Nova and stuff like that. Despite the
the best intentions, despite the regulation, despite the will, there's
(01:55:34):
always human nature for somebody to fuck it up somehow.
And I guess that's where you get the temporal police
in from uh, you know, deep space nine to go
and unfunck what was fucked up? But it's just the
temporal prime. Yeah, I'm just I'm just I'm just looking
(01:55:55):
at human nature. It's it's human Nature's just funck something
like this up and then completely fuck up. But then
because it hasn't happened in our timeline yet.
Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
I don't know, that's just you know, it's just the
thing is that, you know, I can't imagine future time
travelers not finding a way to come back here, and
you know, you do the Homer Simpson and I wish,
I wish I didn't squish that fish.
Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
There's a thought. Oh boy.
Speaker 11 (01:56:31):
Uh Temple Police. Temple Police first showed up on deep
space nying in the episode uh, Trials and Tribulations, Yep,
trials and tribulations, and then it was a it was
a theory that they liked, so they went forward with
it in enterprise, but it actually was on voyage or two. Yeah,
timeship relativity, Wow ship, we got down to the wire
(01:56:57):
on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
Yep, we're just about at a time, my friend.
Speaker 11 (01:57:02):
Excellent. Every time I think we don't have enough content,
you doubt it.
Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Still after how many years I I was doing this years?
Speaker 11 (01:57:14):
Yeah, so I don't watch more people watch Voyager than Enterprise.
That was a long road. I watched them. Yeah, I
did too, well, I do. I mean it was a
long time you. I was laid up for a couple
of months with a broken shoulder, so I decided I
was going to objectively sit down and watch all the
Star Treks to figure out which one was best, and
(01:57:37):
that at that time I hated Deep Space nine and loved.
Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Next Gen.
Speaker 11 (01:57:43):
I have completely won ad done that. I cannot stand
Next Gen now. I can't even It's unwatchable to me,
but I do. I can watch Deep Space nine forever.
Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
I don't know. See I well. I still like Next Gen,
but Deep Space nine has become my favorite. By the way,
you've upset the alien. Yeah, apparently you missed a.
Speaker 11 (01:58:08):
Joke, No, I I we were talking about Companion in
the bank. Nice. I didn't miss it, Well, I did.
I just couldn't reply at that moment. I had other
thoughts in my I could only hold so much of
my brain at once. Not an alien.
Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
We're not aliens, sir.
Speaker 11 (01:58:26):
We can only do so much. Yes, especially, you know
when when your brain gets into the half century mark,
things start going slow, as you should I don't want
to hear that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
That's not true, right.
Speaker 11 (01:58:43):
This one came to me over discord. A fun time
travel story would be a bunch of engineers who built
working time machine but discover that there's a point in
the future that they can't go to, and the mystery
is trying to figure out why in that year leading
up to the wall.
Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Well, I mean, in theory they've I mean, you know,
it's not necessarily them trying to travel to a future point,
but the entire premise of this season of Doctor Who
has been them not being able to get back to
where they dropped her off at or where he picked
her up at, and they eventually figured out it's because
something destroyed the planet. So I kind of think that.
(01:59:21):
But anyway, believe it or not, my friend, we are
pretty much at a time where can folks find you?
Speaker 11 (01:59:27):
Well, surprisingly, you can still find me on Twitter as
Ordnance packard. Nobody's more shocked than me. Tomorrow you can
find me with me and Jeff on the Vincent Charles Project,
as we are going to be covering the finest film
made by mankind Hudson Hawk next week. You can find
me at the usual occasions Manorama with you on, Rick
(01:59:49):
and already, and we have to get back on schedule
with another juxtaposition next weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
As far as Hudson not great movie, I still kind
of prefer Lize Boy Scout though.
Speaker 11 (02:00:00):
So yeah, totally different, I know, but it's different movies.
Come on, Yeah, so she can stay die hard for.
Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
It was just fucking terrible. Well I find you, don't
look for me. It's a drap. I'll be pushing buttons
for Cornymick tomorrow night as Corn's reading Room comes back,
and then be here some Monday night with juxtaposition after
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next week Rick Robinson's show eleven to what is it now?
Ten eastern to one?
Speaker 11 (02:00:45):
I think I think, I think nice.
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That's it, Like, yeah, well mostly you can find me
at raddy Wick seventy three. But you know, like I said,
don't look for me, it's a drap. I was trying
not to outrun the outrou or trying not to outlast
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Speaker 8 (04:53):
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Speaker 11 (04:54):
It occurred to me I never had a chance to
check my audio, can you hear me? No?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Just kidding?
Speaker 11 (04:59):
Yes, okay, good, all right, good, yeah, because I've been
fighting with audio demons for the last two days and
I finally got it all worked out about four hours ago.
Oh yeah, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing all right. So yeah,
you got you got things worked out just in time
for us to talk about time trouble.
Speaker 11 (05:18):
So yeah, I know right, if I had had a
time machine, I would have gone back and not done
what I had did that fucked everything up. Well I
think I did so nice. I don't have to troubleshoot
it out.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But yeah, anyway, Lucy, we can see you.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
Yeah, hi, Lucy. So, yeah, you know what this is one.
We haven't done this in a long time, especially John
te Or we haven't done him in like four years
or more.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Frazing, sir, frazing.
Speaker 11 (05:50):
Hey, you know it's pride Eve, don't be that boy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I will be how over I wish there's no Pride
month in my house.
Speaker 11 (06:02):
Yeah, as Sam was saying, today, it's food's birth month.
We'll celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We're still I still think she missed the mark. She
should have went with Webbit fled.
Speaker 11 (06:14):
Yeah, webbit from rabbit fled. Webs nice. So we got
a lot here tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes we do.
Speaker 11 (06:28):
Yeah, I went a little crazy on the John Teeter research.
You never never yeah, so John Teeter. If you're not
familiar with the story. He's probably one of the best
documented time travelers in modern era. He left quite the
(06:55):
prolific trail of at you know, he was engaging with
people and everything and then just disappeared. What he said
he was going to disappear. Nobody has come forward to
claim it. So that's why his story is just so compelling.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, there's just so much to it too. And
the funny thing is what lends more credence to this
is that everybody's got to remember the age of this
story and where he's when he says he came from.
Some of the things that he talked about that that
were way back from like you know, right after ys UK,
they're just now starting to discuss as actual possibilities. And
(07:36):
I mean, this is what inspired me is an article
to come back to this topic. As an article I
found by mitchi Koku was saying that now time travel
isn't nearly as much science science fiction it anymore as
it is an engineering problem.
Speaker 11 (07:50):
Yeah, and and in this I mean he kind of
went into detail about that too, But we're going to
get into all of that. So I think we got
to talk about the story of John Teeter, where he
came from and in November of two thousand, you've got
to cast back to the early days of the Internet
that we talked about on the Dead Internet theory, when
everything was just a weird wild landscape of message boards
(08:12):
and chat rooms and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
A user name time travels was that was the virtual
wild wist. Yes it was.
Speaker 11 (08:21):
It was fantastic. I miss it, so yeah, it actually
felt alive then. So in November two thousand, the user
named time travels zero, later identifying himself as John Teeter,
began posting on the Time Travel Institute forums and this
was kind of like just the clearing house for people
who wanted to talk about time travel and temporal theories.
(08:44):
And around two thousand and one he began he appeared
on Art Bell's post to post forum, which was kind
of like the if you're not familiar and if you're
listening to the show and you don't know who Art
Bell is, shame on you. Good on YouTube and you
listen to some of his old shows. He started posting
on the forum there, and this is where he started
(09:05):
to base his claims that he was an American soldier
from twenty thirty six sent back to nineteen seventy five,
to retrieve an IBM fifty one hundred computer due to
its unique capabilities, and he explained he stopped buying two
thousand for personal reasons. He visited his family in Florida
and collect photographs. He'd take pictures of him and his family,
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the younger him with his family before everything got dystopia
and the post war armageddon that he was living in.
He was very vivid about twenty six marketing a civil
war that happened in two thousand and four, two thousand.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And five.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
Culminating into a nuclear war by twenty fifteen, and his
descriptions of scytal collapse and everything, and how everybody just
living in small communities. He engaged actively with the forum users.
It wasn't just like you know, ship posting and then vaping.
He uh, you know, he answered as many questions as
people ask you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
All right over there, I heard a ding, Yeah that
was just I got a weather or we're coming through okay, yeah,
I mean, I guess the one thing we do have
to point out is there wasn't, in fact, no nuclear
holocaust in twenty fifteen. But other than that, a lot
of this stuff is still very plausible.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
Well, and you know, and he talked about that too,
and that you know, it's one of the uh yeah, okay.
One of the things of time travel is, you know,
on the quantum level, is when you travel back in
time in order to avoid the Grandfather paradox and everything else,
you're actually going back to a different timeline. So things
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are going to be different. Whether you caused those things
to be different, but your very presence. But it's it's
the infinite world's theory where every you know, every decision
that has ever been made has spawned another reality where
the decision went the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 11 (11:11):
So like when you think about how much we've crammed
the universe, would standardized testing where and there's a different
reality where you chose a B, C or D so
and this was kind of like, you know, so he
I mean he even said, look, things may not play
out the way that it happened in my timeline. But
some of the things he was pretty close with, I mean,
(11:33):
not the big things like the civil war and the
UH and the nuclear war, but some of the things
he came pretty close on.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean, he it's one of those conspiracy theory things.
So far, he's been more right than he's been wrong,
especially with some of the technology that he's described using
to be able to time travel is the very stuff
that folks like me Shukaku was starting to talk about now.
Speaker 11 (12:02):
So yeah, and you know it's you know, one of
the things that he talked about how he how you know,
time travel worked in his time. At the time, the
theory was, you know, if you had an infinitely large
spiral and uh, it's just this is really complex theory,
(12:23):
you could travel back in time. Well, the way he
described it with two micro singularities and very specific about
the properties of these micro singularities. This is the stuff
that Kaku's talking about now, going you could probably do it.
You'd have to be able to create these things. But
then you know, it's you know, like he was just
(12:44):
very specific about the technology and how it worked. Yeah,
I mean in decades before.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah. Well, so here's another interesting little tidby that just
came across my feed today while I was producing for
the front or Forensics. Screw. This ties into everybody take
a drink stargate for everybody here. Remember the multi dimensional mirrors. Yeah,
they're now claiming those might actually exist.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
Of course, because you know, anytime it is you know
sci fi author I wrote the book The Torment Nexus
to you know, warn you against never making the Torment
nexus scientists. We've just invented the torment nexus.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Oh yeah, No, I mean he's not Yeah, you're not wrong,
but no, I mean that that's what has always interested
me about all of this stuff and some of the
stuff with Teeter. I mean, you know, even explaining how
you know, he predicted that where he came from there
was a nuclear holocaust in twenty fifteen, but it didn't
actually happen. The fact that cern spun up and the
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many worlds theory that he actually goes into later could
explain why for us what happened for him in twenty
fifteen didn't happen. Because sure everybody forgets there are there
are these things called the butterfly effect. Him coming back
could have actually changed our future to some degree. So
because there's.
Speaker 11 (14:13):
There's just a posting about it, him just posting about
it could have you know, caused the right person to
read it or whatever that changed that person's mind. You know,
it's that whole somebody has a shitty day that ends
up in a nuclear exchange. Yeah kind of thing. You
just yeah, like you said, the butterfly effect.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean, and think about what was going on
in twenty fifteen. How close were we actually to that
when you really want to stop and think about it.
Because the Democrats were ready to new everything to keep
Trump from getting into office around that time.
Speaker 11 (14:43):
So well, yeah, it wasn't far after that. I mean
he did talk about, you know, catastrophic change in society.
I mean, that's pretty close to I mean close enough
for you know, darts that when COVID kicked off, that
was a different kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah. I mean that was definitely a society that was
definitely a societal changing catastrophic event to saying.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
So, so let's talk about his initial mission. The uh
the IBM fifty fifty one. Now, this computer was released
in nineteen seventy five, and at the time it was revolutionary.
It was a fifty pound portable computer. It was the
first of it's kind to integrate a monitor, a keyboard,
and a wopping sixty four K of memory. It was
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the compact design. It was it was it was kind
of like it was like the first proto laptop, and
it was really marketed to UH engineers and technicians. I
think the price tag in nineteen seventy five dollars was
a round between nine and twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well, I think we need to I think we need
to slow down for a second because everybody now isn't
going to understand how revolutionary this device is. Going back
to the timeframe of the seventies, most computers were still
as large as rooms.
Speaker 12 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean you had.
Speaker 11 (16:13):
A couple like workstations, but even then they were pretty significant.
I mean, it wasn't until you got into like the
early Apples and the Commoner sixty four and the VIC
twenties that you know, when you got the home grade systems,
it was still very you know, I mean, this isn't
the kind of computer that you know, you'd have somebody
(16:34):
carrying around that was doing massive engineering projects and you know,
to tie into you know, even bigger main frames over
DARPA and shit. So yeah, this was this was the
game changer. And this was in seventy five. You think
about the laptop began in nineteen seventy five. Yeah, yeah,
(16:57):
So he went back in time to get this computer.
And you know the basic function of this computer is
that you were able to program it in basic and
apl languages and which was the most common at the time.
But that's not what he came back for. There was
a what he said a secret feature in the fifty
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one hundred that it had an ability to ability to
emulate IBM mainframe systems, specifically the System three and the
System three seventy, allowing to run programs written in basic
and apl for those systems. He claimed that it was
critical in twenty thirty six for debugging legacy code to
prevent a technological crisis. And what he's talking about there's something,
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I mean, a lot of people knew about Y two K,
and if you're really young and you don't know what
Y two K was. There was this bug in the
system in early computer systems where they did all dates
in shorthand of like you know, a year would be
ninety ninety two, ninety three, so on and so forth.
When it reached ninety nine, the fear was it would
(18:08):
revert back to nineteen hundred instead of two thousand. So
across the world, nearly a trillion dollars was spent. And
this was something that affected everything from your coffee maker
to your car, to financial institutions to government systems. This
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was a huge problem, and we spent the world spent
nearly a trillion dollars fixing it. There were still some glitches,
just you know, there weren't planes falling out of the
sky like everybody feared. So, but this goes to a
little known bug in Unix systems. It's called the twenty
thirty eight problem. And what it is is on January nineteenth,
(18:50):
twenty thirty eight, I think it's around one PMUTC. Because
Unix systems count seconds, it will get a buffer overrun.
And again there's not a lot of people know that,
and you know it's it's because of the thirty two
bit system that Unix Systems run on, and a lot
of them were getting passed to go to sixty four
(19:11):
a bit. And I'm just turning this into an episode
of Cyberchill right now. But because this particular small forum
computer was able to emulate the code of these large mainframes,
and these large mainframes is where most of that code
originated from. So it was a plausible fix. And the
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weird thing about it when he was talking about this,
nobody knew that that was a feature in the fifty
one hundred until years later when one of the developers
of the fifty one hundred came out and said, yeah,
we didn't advertise that because IBM didn't want its competitors
to be able to figure out what it was doing
on its mainframes, So we didn't want them to be
able to buy this, you know, fifty pound laptop to
figure out what the mainframes were doing. So it was
(19:58):
something like a handful of eng years knew.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, no, it's it's insane. Sorry, I was just double
checking something on the Y two K thing, because one
of the biggest things with the Y two K concerns
was because of the double zero format. When computers, and
I don't know if they still do or not, but
when computers used to start up before Windows was a thing,
and well even some of the earlier versions of Windows,
(20:25):
they would do what was called to check some how
they would do that was the computer doing a math
problem using the the year to do a division, and
there was no way to divide by zero. So that's
why everybody thought all the computers were looking to lock
up and just never turn on it.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
Yeah, that was that was a lot of that too.
And yeah, like I said, mean those e prom chips
they were I mean this was the most basic form
of chip that had all this program this you know,
this low level you know, this format in it, so
that uh, you know, that was part of the problem.
Why you said it was in everything from coffee bakers
(21:01):
up to but you know it was also in in
airplanes and in you know, transportation grids, power grids, I mean,
everything was like, oh my god, the world. You know,
it's like, what about the missiles, you know, I mean,
you know, the launch systems for the use for those
in that format too, and you know, so there's like a.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Whole story going along with that because remember ninety nine
to basically ninety well starting ninety six actually, but from
ninety eight until two thousand and nine, I was running
my own security company, so we were right in the
middle of that mess. So we're all standing on properties.
And one of the guys I worked with used to
be an army ranger and he was actually jacked into
a military frequency and kept waiting for the call signs
(21:45):
of the night and he said, if I start yelling
about Crystal Palace and arc lights, every single one of
you motherfuckers better start running because that means all the
missiles are in the air. It was like, oh god, yeah,
fun times. We all thought we were gonna die that night.
It was fun.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
Yeah, it was good. It really made the uh, it
really made the turn of the millennium a lot more interesting.
You know, it's not just it wasn't just another uh,
another New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It gave a lot more credence to party like it
was nineteen ninety nine, let me tell you, because everybody
was on that New Year's because everybody thought they were
gonna die. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:23):
So, I mean, and that was the significance of the computer.
So he was supposed to go back in time and
get one of those, and then on his way back
he stopped by two thousand. Yeah, and so this is
when he started posting if they finished the rest of
usself on net neutrality? Yeah, and no, that is a
(22:44):
good point. That isn't this just Teeter peppering his story
with obscure, plausible collaborat developments.
Speaker 13 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
But then, you know, like again with the fifty one hundred,
not a lot of people knew that. I mean, it
would be like he would have to be somebody in
the know or knew somebody in the know. And even
then that's not something you just make casual conversation. Hey,
did you know that the uh remember that old IBM
fifty one. You know that that actually worked on IBM
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system threes too, but that was able to emulate it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So fun Yeah, so it was that, I said, fun times,
fun times.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Yeah, fun times. So so he pops back into two
thousand and he starts, uh, starts posting and ship and
this is when he starts getting asked about his time
travel technology, and uh, you know, he was very John
Connor and his description of it. Yeah, it is the
(23:45):
C two The C two four gravity distortion unit is
a stationary mass temporal displacement unit powered by two top
spin dual positive singularities producing a set off tempwork. Uh cinisoid. Now,
the tip of cinicoid was that thing that I was
talking about, that infinitely large spiral that you could use,
(24:05):
but you know the problem with it being infinitely large.
Now this is where modern sciences caught up to Cheeto
and saying.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know what that might work? Yeah, I mean, well,
like I said, that's what started me down this rabbit hole.
And the funny thing is Rock fought me every step
of the way, and by the end of the conversation,
I had him convinced that it was at least probable
based on the recent article by Cocko. If not, you know,
(24:35):
it's definitely gonna happen, because I mean, there have been
there have been small scale evidence that time travel is possible.
I mean, einst one of one of the first time
travel experiments ever was Einstein's. He put a bunch of
people into a plane and by the time they and
they were in the air for several several hours, and
(24:55):
by the time they landed their their their watches were
different as far as you know.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
Yeah, it's microseconds, but it's still yeah, but I mean
it's still noticeable.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So that was one of the first things that kind
of made everybody start wondering if maybe time is in
fact a relative thing, because you know, the further it seems,
and there's actual evidence of this now that the the
like these folks that were only supposed to be in
space for a few days and they were in they
were there for months. They aged slower, right because they
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were further outside of urs effects. It's just interesting the
weird little things that that science is starting to show
with that just just seemed like they would be impossible.
Speaker 13 (25:42):
Yeah, and you know, and while you.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Know, theoretical physics, I mean at this level has been
around since the fifties. Tutor's artwork and his descriptions of
you know, the uh you know, the the tip or
sinisoid and uh, you know the micro syncle and everything
in his descriptions of it and in the questions that
(26:05):
were asked and answered, he not only knew about this
obscure IBM fifty one hundred, but he also had kind
of advanced knowledge of theoretical physics.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yes, it was I mean, it wasn't just his artwork.
He had some very sever I mean, he had some
deeply detailed diagrams and explanations that would that suggest he
had a deep understanding of some of the conflicts concepts
that are interwoven into all this stuff.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
So, you know, looking at that from the modern lens,
you know, as we can all become experts on a
topic in five minutes on the internet, but in two thousand,
relying on ask Jeeves or you know, anything to come
up with the information where you could just you fart
the shit out, I mean it's you. You had you know,
(26:59):
you're google flood had to be strong, or you had
to have a pretty you know, a pretty good you know,
college education, and not to say that that's not likely either.
I mean, you know, it's I mean, somebody who knew
this theoretical physics could also have known about the IBM
fifty one hundred and but to just turn it into
a time travel story on the interwebs that you never
(27:21):
come to, Yeah, it's you know it. The scientific literacy
is unusual for a hoaxer.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, it's not just it's not just the scientific literacy.
It's I mean, think about this. He was pretty well
spot on with some of the stuff that he predicted.
We talked about, and already the mad cow disease that
happened in two thousand and three, that was he was
already talking about that happening. He pointed out issues with
the space shuttles that wound up happening shortly after he'd
(27:51):
mentioned them. I mean, the only thing that he was
really remiss on was the twenty fifteen nuclear war stuff,
because even though some of it hasn't happened exactly when
he said it was going to. I mean, in this
one's pretty easy. The it's it's really easy to say
that it will be large, large, widespread civil unrestk be
cause it's pretty much happening everywhere, So that was still
(28:13):
kind of a give me. But the fact that it
actually is happening, even if it's happening about you know,
nine years later than he said it would still enough
to kind of when you start looking at the things
he got right, kind of make you wonder.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Well and the thing that you're talking about with you know, which, yeah,
he nailed the mad cow disease. You know, this is
kind of like with that whole you know, got the uh,
the big shit wrong with the little shit right that
you know, when we talked about bobbles are this was
another one of those two where it's like, yeah, the
mad cow, I mean, it wasn't as big of a
(28:48):
deal as you know, he made it out to me.
But then once again multiple world's theory, uh, the problem
with the shuttle program. Now you gotta he disappeared, just
completely vanished, I think around two thousand and one, two
thousand and one, two thousand and two. In that timeframe,
the Shuttle accident wasn't until two thousand and three, So
you flash forward to he's from twenty thirty eight. You're
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gonna know, Okay, this happened around two thousand, so this
is gonna be in the timeframe I'm there and it
hasn't happened yet when I'm cruising around in two thousand
and then, you know, I can you know, give that
as a little bit of credibility. It just kind of
seemed a little I mean, you're not gonna remember the
specifics of you know, the shuttle, the Challenger explosion. It
(29:31):
was a Challenger Columbia. That one was Columbia, Challenger was sorry,
and then I always I always get those two flipped
up because Columbia came first. So anyway, Yeah, so that's
and that's why it's kind of you know, you're gonna know,
you're gonna remember, you know that you're gonna know that
something happened, that that happened, but you're not gonna remember
(29:53):
the specifics. So that was kind of a big spot
on for me.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I mean, like, like I said, it definitely has given
me lots of stuff to think about.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, and some of the things like that was
wrong is I think of the two thousand and four
Olympics will be canceled, but twenty twenties were postponed due
to COVID.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Kind of makes you wonder if maybe COVID was supposed
to have maybe COVID happened earlier where he was.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Yeah, so hey, you want to take a break and
then we'll come back and finish this one up.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yep, yep, yep. Hang on just a second, just for fun,
because we're taking music breaks of the half. I have
two time time travel related songs to go, so one
will be more of a deep cut later. This one
everybody should recognize. But yeah, we're gonna gohead and take
a break. You're listening to juxtaposition. We'll be back. I
think I may have left things unhooked for too long,
(30:52):
so I'm gonna have to fix it. Nope, there it goes.
Speaker 12 (31:14):
Tell me we're going there side.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Jess a first nine. All I wanted to know.
Speaker 14 (31:34):
It was guitar said, stay work, I don't mine. It's
better of Thomas be back dam time.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Tell you that's his time, don't that's the future. Don't
roll the dice there the remember dimmon dover starch ties.
Speaker 13 (32:10):
This don't time.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
I will be lettle. I don't mind the thomis me
back in time?
Speaker 15 (32:29):
Dog it dot your time?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Do it dot your time?
Speaker 16 (32:38):
It dock your time, Dount bust your son, Dount bust
(33:38):
your son.
Speaker 11 (34:01):
I forgot how much riffing there was in this song.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we're gonna ahead and cut it back now because
I'm much is back anyway, So welcome back into the program.
And ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to Juxtaposition on
Taylor Ron Radio and we are discussing time travel, John
Teeter and the multiple multiple world's theory. So welcome back
into the program. How was your break, Amish? How was
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your breath?
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It was good.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
You know, I know my new setup, I'm able to
walk around the house and listen to the break, so
I'm having to leave my cans on the floor. Yeah,
the uh god, that song is so fucking eighties movie.
And you know, one of the things I love and
hate about songs like that and like weird science and
back to school and stuff is that it's like they
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just gave the artists a sure, here's the script, write
a song, so they have all the elements. I mean,
you could listen to the song if you know the
movie that it's like every you know, it hits on
everything that happened. You can to the song and not
actually have to watch the damn movie. But yeah, that's
just the most eighties thing ever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, I mean but that really was. I mean, that
was most of the eighties genre like wrapped up all
into one. I mean, there there were there was a
lot of big band field still going on in eighties music,
which I kind of honest, I kind of missed that,
if I'm being honest.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
Yeah. Yeah. One of the things about Hili Lewis too
is you know it's I remember stand at the time
when when you look at me, like, hey, is that
America's hottest rocker? Do you look at me and go,
is that a friend of my dad's.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh that's that's I don't know if that's funny or not.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
So yeah, but okay, so we left off with these predictions. Yeah,
so we got past y two k We talked about
the mad Cow and the uh, the shuttle disaster.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
A lot of his interactions, you know, he basically, you know,
when people would ask him, you know, for specifics about,
you know, what was going to happen in the future,
he would explain the many world's theory, and you know
he would also just say, look, I'm not here to
change the future. I'm just here to observe it. You know,
(36:18):
it was basically temporal reconnaissance, and you know, so in
that perspective and combined with his partial accuracies, they were
a little bit more than mere guesses, and it was
more of about a possible or probable future, not likely
the future. Yeah. That's the one thing that you know,
time travelers hoaxers always get wrong, you know, is they
(36:44):
try to form a doomsday cult around themselves, you know,
and uh, they're they're very specific with like this will happen.
He couched, you know, he's a hoaxer. He couches. Betsy said, look,
this might happen. It happened in my reality, doesn't mean
is going to happen in yours, you know.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But well, that's that's just it, though, because with all
the different I mean, think about this from another perspective though,
because there's so many conflicting theories about what would happen
if you actually do travel back in time. Because because
the one thing that everybody agrees on is at some
point future time travel, traveling into the future will likely
at some point become possible. Traveling backwards in time not
(37:29):
so much so. If this becomes a thing. One of
the biggest things that we have right now are two
different theories that are fighting with one another, where when
you travel back in time, you are traveling back into
your own history, or when you travel back in time,
you've immediately offshoot and branched off into a new timeline
(37:49):
because anything that you do while you're there is going
to impact the timeline, and they're therefore that kind of
gets rid of the entire temporal paradox thing. Like you know,
remember back to the future, when Marty starts disappearing. If
the newest paradox, Yeah, if the new if the newer
theory of anything you do from that point forward just
(38:10):
basically just forges a new timeline, then it would be
impossible for you to make your future self disappear because
you and your you as your past self would be
disconnected from that.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Right.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
So that's that's a whole different and let's say more
or less shittier. Yeah, and again talking about this is
around when Cern fired up too, and we've talked about
you know, Curn at length on the show with a
Mandela effect, and you know, it's again pop culture. It
is like we are in the shittiest timeline. So yeah,
(38:42):
it's it's one of those things that's just become you're
red as fact, you know. So but again you got
to think you're with your two thousand brain. This was
all still relatively cutting edge ship. I mean, all of it,
the Internet, you know, theoretical physics, just all of it
(39:05):
was at the time, it wasn't part of the collective
conscience where you know, you could just kind of like,
you know, spout it out and everybody knew what you're
talking about. He had to go into some pretty lengthy
detail about well, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Mean you're kind of hitting the nail on the head there,
because I mean it's not like time travel wasn't anything
that had been thought about. I mean, it had been
you know, postulated for forever. I mean it was starting
to become part of pop culture as far back as
the sixties was Star Trek and even before that, but
there wasn't there wasn't a lot of scientific thought. And
now how it happened, it was just we're going to
(39:39):
figure out how to do this for TV because you know,
it's a sci fi show one step away from a
kid's show. Nobody, nobody's really gonna care. But with this guy,
there's just again going into all the different details that
he got right that are now the things that are
just being talked about. And think about this from this perspective,
because we keep talking about we haven't really progressed much lately,
(40:02):
think about how much things have actually progressed in some
ways since we started talking about AI, because it's like,
all of a sudden there's been this informational explosion again,
So think about what that's going to be like eleven
twelve years from now, when this guy supposedly traveled back
in time.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Well, I mean, if you want me to put it
in perspective, it's been Jeff correct me if I'm wrong
on this. It's been three years since we did a
cyber Chill episode, and and that time AI was just
boring dipshit chat bots. Now one could argue they're not
much different. And if you've interacted with Grock lately, especially
(40:42):
on the paid version, it's basically a search engine with
a shitty chat bot attached to it. But yeah, it's
it's weird that the paid version is actually worse than
the free version, but that's we talked about that on
other shows. Yeah, one of the things that cracked me
up about this you using the back to the Future
(41:07):
theme song and everything too, was his mode of transportation,
because the one thing we kind of glossed over, you know,
when we were talking about the two micro singularities and
blah blah blah blah blah. Initially it was installed in
a sixty seven Corvette.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
Then it was later installed in an eighty seven four
wheel drive truck. So I'm just saying, I mean, why
not a car and the sixty seven Corvette would have
made a hell of a lot more sense, you know,
if you're going back to seventy five to get the
you know, because I don't recall if he made two
trips or if it was one trip and just a
(41:45):
meandering path going back. I think it was just one trip,
which would make the eighty seven and four wheel drive
not make sense. I mean practicality, yes, but from a
you know, things out of place that we're gonna be
talking about later, the eighty seven Ford pickup in a
(42:06):
nineteen seventy five would be a little odd.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, what better way to show
you from the future than to show up in a
vehicle that's, you know, out of this time.
Speaker 11 (42:20):
Yeah, that would be like showing up in two thousand
with the Tesla using the same argument of the standless
steel body construction of like a cyber truck that they
use for the Dorian.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (42:33):
So, I just the one thing about John Teeter is
that that really sticks out with me on it is
that nobody has ever stepped forward to claim it. And
you know, there was some talk that it was alleged
that John Teeter was actually a h a friend of
(42:56):
the Teeter family known as Larry Haber who's an entertainment lawyer,
saying that it was either one of him or his
brothers that uh that was doing the posting. But they've
thoroughly denied it and their only tied to this is
to the John Teeter Foundation, which was just basically set
up to collect all of his postings online and write
(43:21):
a book. So that's about it.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I mean, I guess that. I mean, that's that is
an explanation, So I mean, you know.
Speaker 11 (43:35):
Yeah, but I mean it's I mean it And this
is like fifteen years after the fact too. You know,
it's kind of like going, yeah, we did it to
sell the book, but it's still going I mean, the
John Teeter subret it still gets two hundred thousand visits
a year. You know, people were still talking about him
twenty years later and still no clues. He just up
(43:59):
and vanished in late two thousand and one, right around
right before nine to eleven, which I thought was interesting
that he didn't mention nine to eleven, But again that
may not have been something from his timeline. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, I mean, you know, who knows. He could have
been fro he could have been from Red World and
Fringe where that didn't happen. You never know.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
Yeah, that's yeah, God, I forget about the Blue World.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
It had to be done, had to be done.
Speaker 11 (44:28):
Oh yeah, So I mean it's you're just getting to it,
you know. Just the fact that nobody has come forward,
that's what That's what sticks out with me. All hoaxers
eventually exposed themselves or get exposed. And even the Foundation
(44:51):
has done nothing since the release of the book. It
was just made to release the book and then since
I mean, what's happening to the money? Who knows? But
it is still it's you know, nobody's claimed authorship. There's
just a total lack of closure with it.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well, I mean, and think about this, though we're talking
about this happening between two like two thousand and two
thousand and one, we're now twenty three, twenty four to
twenty five years later depending on timeframes, and there's there's
there's nobody saying, no, we know definitely who that wasn't
real and this is who it was that really, especially
(45:31):
with the way things are now with it, I mean,
think about this from another from another perspective, how long
does it take any more for conspiracy theory to basically
be proven either correct or incorrect. And lately, granted most
of them have been being proven correct, but for this
one to have been around as long as it is,
(45:52):
and especially for now, I mean, even with folks like
me and you taking a harder look at it, it's
hard to find any way to one thousand percent say hey,
this is actually happened. I mean, we can poke holes
in it. There's plenty of data where we've been able
to find where you know, like you said, it may
have been this guy, or it may have been or
it may have been because of this, but there's nothing
that definitely says, you know, this guy, this guy was
(46:13):
it was a hoax and here's the proof.
Speaker 11 (46:16):
Yeah, I mean given it. I mean, granted, it's far
enough in the past where you know, like those who
are likely to just don't care, But in all this time,
he hasn't gotten docked and yeah or just yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Programming director is breaking the no no politics rule tonight, sir.
Speaker 11 (46:43):
Yeah, it's part of patriot that's funny. That's true though. Yeah,
I mean maybe that is the that'd be a weird
fucking timeline for that to be the John Conners of
the future. So yeah, I mean that's it's it's just
(47:06):
a mystery to me. And this is one that I
can't really take apart intellectually, just for the fact that
he's never come forward. Well the more there's more people
who've who have claimed to be dB Sweeney or dB Cooper.
I keep doing that. DBI Cooper then claimed to be Teeter.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Topic. Sorry, I had to be.
Speaker 11 (47:35):
I don't know why. Yeah, I know exactly why, because
I worked in a video store and I saw that
fucker's name like fifty times a day.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Back in the day. That's yeah, I never had I
never had a cool job like that.
Speaker 11 (47:52):
Yeah, It's wasn't as cool as you think it was.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like it was like the eighty high school kid dream job. Though.
Speaker 11 (48:03):
Yeah, you did get to watch any movie you wanted,
and a lot of times we'd get screeners. So screeners
were always cool. I know you and A you've talked
about it where it's you know, you get you get
to It'd come out on VHS for the store employees
or whatever, like weeks or months before, and I think
everybody who ever worked at a video starter has at
(48:23):
least one VHS copy that has that scroll on the bottom.
It is illegal to copy or duplicate this cassette.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Oh, my father in law had a couple of those
because for a while he was like in one of
the somehow he managed to get on a list for
the people that managed to pick like the Oscars and shit,
so he would randomly get some movies.
Speaker 11 (48:44):
My neighbors were on that did get boxes of DVDs
a ship that they'd have to watch before the Oscars.
They were part of the academy.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's just it. As far as I know, I didn't
think he was, but somehow he still managed to get
ahold of that crap. And I'm like, that's pretty cool though, but.
Speaker 11 (49:00):
Yeah, anyway, Oh so we blasted through that a little
bit quicker than I thought we would. Do you want
to take a quick break or you want to use
a quick hit before we go on break?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Ah, I mean, if you've got another quick hit we
can do. We can do that and then just do
the top of the hour. We've only got like ten
minutes as it is. Yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (49:21):
Let's do the Chinese tune one. That's fun. Okay, okay,
I'll sorry. So in two thousand and eight in Shangxea,
Southern China, archaeologists were excavating a Ming dynasty tomb been
sealed for about four hundred years, and as they cleared
(49:43):
the soil around the coffin, they've heard a metallic clink
and they found a small gold ring watch with Swiss
inscribed in English on the bottom of it. The hands
were frozen at ten o And yeah, so Switzerland didn't
(50:05):
exist during the Ming dynasty and neither did ring watches.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 11 (50:11):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing. So if it predates Switzerlan
by a couple hundred.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Years at least, but yeah, so keep in mind this
was supposedly the tomb was supposedly completely undisturbed, so there
was no signs of any looting or anything else. So
how exactly does this switch watch Swiss watchkin in there?
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Yeah, it was a modern design with an English inscription
on it. Also, you know Ming dynasty predating English as
we know it.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Uh so.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
Was it a time traveler in the Ming dynasty? I
mean that this is one of those things that was
the tomb truly sealed, because I mean, obviously you got
tomb raiders everywhere, not just in Egypt, but it was
largely undisturbed. So the other plausible theory, other than it
(51:10):
just being a straight up hoax by the uh yeah,
China is good at that too, is that a small
rodent had a path in there and was kind of
a pack rat thing, you know, like getting its little
shiny bits, and uh discovered this along its life somehow.
(51:30):
That's probably the most plausible because I mean, like I said,
the two was relatively undisturbed, so it's not like it
showed signs of tom raiders.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I think the funniest been is just you know, seeing
the photos from the archaeologists that were holding this thing,
and it's the tiny shiny gold thing straight out of
a modern jewelry or and they found it in a
tomb that was built around the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 11 (52:06):
Yeah, anywhere from three sixty eight to sometime in the
sixteen hundreds. Yeah, So it's kind of like, I mean, yeah,
it could get the road and doing it, but that's
pretty unlikely, I mean, not completely unlikely, but it's about
(52:28):
as unlikely as time travel. Well, as was posted in
the chat. According to the Vulcan Science Directive, time travel
does not exist.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well. Speaking of the improbabilities of time travel, here's another
really weird one real quick. Since we've still got time
for one more quick hit, let's talk about Rudolph Frintz.
In nineteen fifty a guy in Victorian clothes, silk hat
frock coate pops up in Times Square looking completely lost,
and he's hit by a taxi and dies. The police,
(53:01):
while investigating find eighteen seventies cash, a letter from eighteen
seventy six, a business card with his name all in
mid condition. The kicker Captain Rim. The cop investigating, digs
up in eighteen seventy six missing person's report for a
Rudolph Friends aged twenty nine who vanished in Times Square.
The guy's widow in nineteen thirty nine confirms her father
(53:24):
in law disappeared. It's like he stepped out of eighteen
seventy six and into nineteen fifties traffic.
Speaker 11 (53:32):
See. Now, this is one of those which came first,
the checking or the egg, because because you have this
story of it happening, and it's also become quite the
urban legend. You also have Jack Fanny's nineteen fifty one
short story I'm Scared, which covers kind of the same thing.
(53:55):
So it's that which came first, the urban legend or
the short story there was the short story written based
off of these events, or is the short story the
basis of the urban legend. It's see, that one's kind
(54:15):
of a head scratcher, because, I mean the timing is
very similar. I mean, yeah it all. I mean, time
travel has been done to death in every possible way
in pulp fiction, one way or another. But this is
a little too on the nose, you know, one way
or another.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
You know, yeah, a little bit, little bit, all right.
So since I came up with another idea for the
music break at the mid for the next section, let's
go ahead and we'll go ahead and play a song
and then go to the top of the hour break.
This one's a bit long, so I'm not gonna I'm
(54:54):
not gonna run the whole thing, but we'll just go
ahead and take a music in elude right here so
we can get notes pulled back up, get ready for
hour two, and then you guys will know what we're transitioning,
because you're here the usual ads and intros here in
about five. So this is a deep cut I've never
heard before, and I thought it might be interesting. Something
called time Machine by Beggar's Opera. If it sucks, don't
(55:18):
blame me.
Speaker 11 (55:19):
I wanted to try something different.
Speaker 12 (56:15):
So it's one time machine. Well we can't tea.
Speaker 13 (56:25):
Oh way.
Speaker 12 (56:28):
Fuckload. Why God, it's Canes.
Speaker 7 (56:34):
Time machine.
Speaker 10 (56:51):
That's sudden.
Speaker 12 (56:54):
Escape sun destiny.
Speaker 10 (57:05):
We will flee, he will find a start God suwar time.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
When all man w.
Speaker 17 (57:42):
Yes, way, I trust us, Lets you to start stand.
Speaker 12 (58:09):
Why haven't seen it's mister.
Speaker 13 (58:15):
Sides find the place whether or not to run together
(58:35):
like the water in.
Speaker 15 (58:36):
A stream, I would be supp the bone. They want
to run to the weather with a legacy, this.
Speaker 12 (59:04):
Universe, infinite space.
Speaker 13 (59:13):
You ta.
Speaker 7 (59:15):
Wall where.
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Anyway, trying me try living in my world.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
He at least you've managed to hang under your account
for the longest time in your history. We still have
a We still have a chat with more of your
corpses in it than people.
Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
I know.
Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
It's Hey, I got to talk about that musical. I
don't would you left us out with before the commercials?
I know, I know that was completely unheard by you
prior to posting it. To playing it. That was the
most unironic spinal tap ship I have ever heard.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Well, I don't think it was my own that was.
Speaker 11 (01:05:41):
That was the uh that was the Stonehenge moment. But
on purpose, Okay, I had to get that off my chest.
I was listening to it when I went to go
get another cup of tea and feel better. Know I
(01:06:02):
just you know what, if I didn't say it, I
was just gonna stew about it anyway. So I got
that off my chest.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Do you notice the only music you like is yours?
Not true, liar?
Speaker 13 (01:06:17):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 11 (01:06:19):
I didn't mind Imagine Dragons, except I heard it three
times a week every show I was on with you
for two years.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Dude, you were complaining about that song like on the
third show. That's why I played it too often.
Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
No, it was like a three hundredth show. Taste the Biscuit. Yes,
that's what we need to play. Taste the Biscuit. Biscuit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
I like Jet's music too. I like yours, just like
I said that. Imagine dragons started wearing on me.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Sure it wasn't I was playing. I don't really care.
Speaker 11 (01:06:58):
Oh right was your break?
Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yeah it was. I mean I didn't really go anywhere
and do anything, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It was superfluous, but it's okay.
Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
It was a staycase.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Gave gave me a chance to figure out where we
were in my notes, because we've been flipping back and
forth with Wed a couple of efforts. It's of notes,
and I got kind of lost for a minute. So
the good news is I figured out where I am now.
Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
So good. Well, if he could let me know, that'd
be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
So yeah, we're gonna continue our deeper dive into time
travels hidden clues. So next up on our hit parade
would be Sir Robert Victor Goddard. Remember this guy?
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, this one.
Speaker 11 (01:07:42):
I think we actually when we were talking about From
You to Triangle, we kind of threw this in as
a similar experience. Yeah, because it is pretty close to
a uh, I mean, it shares a lot of the
hallmarks for the Yeah, try that again in English with
a Bermuda triangle and it's kind of a compelling story
(01:08:05):
because this is again from one of the you know,
it's not just some crackpot. I mean, this is you know,
in nineteen thirty five, he was an RAF Air marshal
and respected officer, and so he was flying his Hawker
Heart biplane from and Over to Edinburgh and passing over
(01:08:28):
a Drem airfield in Scotland and at the time it
was abandoned, crumbling hangars over and runways and it had
basically just gone to pasture. And on his return flight
he hit a bizarre storm with yellow clouds, lost control
for a moment, he emerged into the sunlight and he
saw Drem transformed. It was operational with yellow painted planes
(01:08:52):
and mechanics and blue overall overalls, which was not the
style at the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
I mean, it's almost like when he flew through those clouds,
yellow yellow clouds, there was kind of some sort of
a fast forward thing going on because suddenly the dilapidated
airfear is all bustling, the runways were clear, and he's
seeing all these yellow planes and mechanics and blue overall. Yeah,
let's not, let's not. There was also a monoplane, which
(01:09:18):
was not common at the time either.
Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
Yeah, no, this was he described it. Flash forward to uh,
nineteen thirty nine when he was retired. At that point
he was visiting Drum Airfield and it was exactly what
he had seen.
Speaker 18 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I mean down to the last detail. The planes
had gone yellow, mechanics were wearing blue, and the magister's
flying And Goddard said, so he saw this in nineteen
thirty nine and as well as in nineteen thirty five.
Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
Yeah. Yeah, so it was you know it, you know,
it was kind of a you know, was it a
precognitive vision? Did he travel through time? You know briefly?
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Did anyone ever ask him if he was spelling murd toast?
Speaker 11 (01:10:14):
Yeah, it was he smelling burn toast. You know, they've
tried to explain this away as like misremembering things, but
he reported nineteen thirty five, and it wasn't like you know,
he reported it later when writing a book. He documented
it at the time. So and these were things that
(01:10:37):
weren't really prolific enough for them to you know, it was.
It wasn't standard in the RAF for a training field.
It became standard four years later. So it's that kind
of that again, did it become that way because of
(01:10:59):
his ports or you.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Know, I see, I find that a little less probable
because of anything. I think if they were gonna you know,
I don't know. That just seems kind of weird, Like, hey,
since he reported all this stuff, but he looked this way,
those are really good ideas. We should do that.
Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
Yeah, we should be the model planes. Fuck, that's a
fantastic idea.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
It's just a little weird. Hey, you know, yellow yellow
planes makes sense, and soda blue overalls. We should we
should do that.
Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
That's catchy. It's kicky, a little brat, It's.
Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Got a nice little kish to it. We should do
that anyway. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah, this is another
one that you know, while it's on one of our
Quicker hit list topics, it's one of the ones that
has kind of a little bit of teeth to it
because this isn't some crackpot. This isn't dude, you know,
this was a trained pilot. I mean, and let's let's
think about that for a second, because I mean, yes, pilots,
(01:11:56):
whether they're army pilots, air force pilots, naval aviators, they
are kicking people. But back then it took an entirely
different breed because these people were like, you know, had
the only reason they could still see when they were
flying was because of goggles and there was no fly
by wire or nothing. It was all muscle.
Speaker 11 (01:12:12):
So yeah, they were canvas and these guys were completed.
Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 11 (01:12:22):
You know it's again air marshal. That's what I keep
coming back to on the story. You know, it's just
like with Shackleton and you know, the you know, in
his stories, and it just it's that you've reached, not
to say that. You know, the people's propensity to spin
(01:12:45):
wild yarns isn't universal. It's not just you know, limited
to the lower echelon of society. But still, when you've
got things like an admiral or you know, an air
marshal in your title, you're kind of a serious person.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
You know, it's not you know, well at least until
the last administration.
Speaker 11 (01:13:07):
Yeah, well sorry, I had again, you broke the rule
this time. I know, I wasn't there for Gryffindor it
wasn't the.
Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
First one, so it doesn't count anyway. So oh dude,
we have a lot more to cover.
Speaker 11 (01:13:23):
So we do we do the next one is, actually,
these are two very similar stories. So when we talk
about this first one, you're gonna say, no, I heard
that a different one, because there's two stories that are
very similar. The first one is the nineteen thirty eight
factory workers footage. And in this there's a documentary film
(01:13:48):
at the Dumont fact at the DuPont factory in uh Leominster, Massachusetts,
and I captured workers leaving the plant, and among them
was a young woman holding a device to her ear
and appearing to talk into it, resembling a cell phone.
(01:14:09):
There's video. You can find video of it on the internet.
It suggested that the time travel I mean, why would
a time traveler go to the DuPont factory, But still,
why wouldn't they? You know, it's one of the popular
tropes in sci fi too, is you know, time traveling anthropologists,
time traveling archaeologists who go back to the time, you know,
(01:14:33):
to see how the common folk lived and you know whatever.
But yeah, it again, it's the way she's holding it
and the way she's you know, talking into it very
much appears to be a modern cell phone.
Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So yeah, I mean it's it's kind of it's honestly
some kind of creepy footage, and it's actually been authenticated too,
so it's showing workers leaving the factory. The woman pictured
to seventeen years old. Some say her name was likely
Gertrude Jones. So she's holding this small black device and
talking into it. Cell phone was won around until the
nineteen eighties, and let's not forget the ones who were
(01:15:14):
around in the nineteen eighties weren't exactly small either.
Speaker 11 (01:15:19):
So one of the excuse me, one of the theories
in this was that it could have been a similar
prototype Jupot was working on in nineteen thirty seven. Don
Hings was developing one of the first walkie talkies, but
this they were still quite large. Okay, this is looking
(01:15:42):
more like, you know, not so much like your modern smartphone,
but more like a modo Razor or Nokia that for
some reason there's the number one cell phone company on
the planet, nobody actually owns one. That's different theory, but.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
One of the other things that they've tried, one of
the other cover stories they've tried to give it was that,
you know the size of the device would have been
akin to what was considered what would have been considered
hearing aid technology back then. But again, why would a
seventeen year old working at a factory need a hearing aid?
Speaker 11 (01:16:25):
Yeah, I mean even if you're testing it for DuPont
scientists or whatever, that one doesn't really resonate with me,
just for the fact that it's not that nineteen thirties
eer a hearing aids. There were the kind you had
put in your pocket, so it would have been a
longer court. She wouldn't have been holding it close to
(01:16:47):
her ear like that, because that would be you've been
getting a lot of feedback. You know, somebody who wears
hearing AIGs, I can tell you you'd be getting a
lot of feedback. So I mean I did just when
I cut my hand over my ear or that's why
I can't anyway, Yes, fun time women lakes that anyway,
(01:17:10):
that's my personal story. I'm not going to get into that. Yes, guns,
rock and roll and swimming in lakes.
Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Here's the other thing though, assuming that she is in
fact a time traveler, and that's a cell phone, there
were no cell towers, so who the heck was she talking?
Speaker 11 (01:17:28):
Who is she telling you? That's the one thing that
always I don't get with these stories unless it's even
beyond cell phone technology that we're thinking of that we know,
and this is some temporal some temporal smartphone I don't know,
(01:17:50):
you know where, But yeah, it doesn't make sense that
you know, because they you know, say, well it looks
like they're talking on the modern cell phone. Well there's
no cell towers, Like you said, who are they talking to?
But inversely, these are time travelers. Why wouldn't they have
a communication device that they could take with them so
they could talk back to or you know, transcribe notes
or whatever too.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean there is that. I mean
assuming you know, if they've been smart enough enough to
figure out time travel, they probably have figured out some
form of temporal communication.
Speaker 11 (01:18:21):
I would assume, yeah, yeah, or you know, just for dictation.
But you know, dictation has gotten so small that you know,
you can store a lot of recording on a very
small device now, so that would be too big unless
it's I don't know, again, we're speculating with future tech
using modern tech. That's kind of but hey, star Trek
(01:18:47):
did it, dude?
Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Star Trek is the reason we have most of our
modern tech.
Speaker 9 (01:18:54):
I know.
Speaker 11 (01:18:54):
That's fucking nerds.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Kind of like one of those two in the egg
kind of things, because we're like.
Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
You know again, yeah, it's kind of like the pads
in a next generation. You know who came up with
that first Star Trek or Cook?
Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
So I'm gonna say probably Star Trek.
Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
Yeah. Well yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
See.
Speaker 11 (01:19:18):
The similar story to that goes back even further, and
that is the nineteen twenty eighth premiere of Charlie Chaplin's
The Circus. Oh I love it. Yeah, I do too,
because this one's again very You can find this on
the DVD extras, and it shows a woman walking by
(01:19:41):
holding of a device to her ear and talking similar
to the DuPont Factory story as resembling a modern cell
phone again not smartphone, more motile razor. So you have
to wonder was their time travel in the nineties and
we just didn't know it in two thousands. I Loved
My Razor. This was discovered. The footage was discovered by
(01:20:04):
George Clark in twenty ten, and again another clip that
just went absolutely viral. The woman's actions speaking into a
hand sized device just it doesn't make sense for the time,
and again with the hearing aid talking into the device,
why why would you be talking into a hearing aid
(01:20:26):
that that part of the story just doesn't track with me,
and again, massive feedback. If you tried that, well it's
not well.
Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I mean this kind of lends credence to that whole
you know, time traveling, you know, archaeologist kind of thing,
because remember that episode from Star Trek the Next Generation
where they tried to pull that actually a couple of
different times. There was the one time when Picard took
short leave to Risa and there were some time travelers
who were supposedly, you know, archaeologists trying to recover something,
and it turns out they were the ones that stole it.
(01:20:58):
It happened again, I think it was season six or
season seven where the dude that played why can I
never think of his name, same guy that plays Max
Headroom that was also in your uh played a played
a bit part in that episode and was supposed to
be an archaeologist from the future. It turns out he
was a thief again. But yeah, so I mean it
(01:21:23):
it's just I mean, can you I mean, I would
I would have to admit if I had the ability
to go back in time, you know, going back and
checking out a chaplain Premiere would probably be top on
my list.
Speaker 11 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I don't know if taken in the future tech
with me, right, yeah, yeah, especially to be obvious. But yeah,
it's you know, it's time specific. It's not like you know,
it's This is actually from the premiere at Grammin's Chinese
Theater of Charlie Chaplin's film, So I mean it's it's
(01:22:00):
it's entirely too plausible for me, you know, and the
explanations don't wash.
Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:22:09):
The closest thing I could think was, yeah, the proto
walkie talkie tech that that I could get on board with,
But then why would you have one? Even then, this
is at the Charlie Chaplin premiere in twenty eight that's
even pre dates the earliest waukie talkie tech. So we're
saying walkie talk modern day.
Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Let's not forget, though, that the walkie talkie, the original
prototype walkie talkies were freaking huge.
Speaker 11 (01:22:39):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So to see that would have been I mean to
put this in perspective, the first cell phone was about
the size of a fairly large brick compared to what
we have today, so were the first walkie talkies. So
for them to say, well, it might have been you know,
wireless radio communication device. Okay, well that that is a
(01:23:05):
plausible explanation until you look at the size because if
everybody's equating it with what would have been a cell
phone of around the time, because let's not forget phones
got a lot smaller before they got back to these
full sized computers we keep in our pockets.
Speaker 11 (01:23:21):
Yeah, you're talking. I mean, this is the error of transistors,
you know, and you know, give the big you know,
it was before long before solid state and long before microchip.
So you had to say about the size of a
cell phone. And again I've got to go back to
the walkie talkie one. Why are you talking into not
(01:23:43):
the walkie tech, why are you talking into your own
hearing aid? Because both of these people, in both of
these instances, they're not walking next to somebody talking to them.
Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:23:51):
It's not like they're having a conversation with this person
who's holding their hearing aid up to hear. They're just
going about their business.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Yeah, maybe if there was, if there was somebody next
to them, you know, and it looked like they were
actually like talking in their direction or something, I could
almost see the hearing aid thing makes sense almost, But
just I don't know. Like I said, there's just not
any type of plausible explanation for this for me, because
I mean we're talking about the twenties and thirties. Yes,
there was the beginnings of some modern style technology, you know,
(01:24:24):
with radios and everything else, but they were still really
really big devices. There wouldn't have been any way to
fit it in the palm of your hand. So the
closest equivalent would have been a hearing aid for the time,
because that was something that was about that equivalent size
back then. But there's no practical use for them to
be being used in those scenes the way they were
being used.
Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
I mean, you've got to even going with the walkie talkie,
So you got to put your head in the timeframe too.
Where the smallest radio just radio I've seen from around
here until you get into the fifties, plastic, fantastic are
those classic wood radios with the big you know, the
(01:25:07):
kind of like the mantlepiece radios that they actually were
designed to be put on your mantle and the big
dial on it to tune in a radio station, and
the big speaker on it. That was state of the
art commercial tech at that time. You know, the tech
(01:25:29):
wasn't small enough to I mean, if a radio just
the radio end of it was that big, how big
was the transmitter? So that's this just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I mean, there's no other way to say it. It
just it does not work at all.
Speaker 11 (01:25:48):
Yeah, so that one. Those are actually creepier than you know,
the other stories because the only plausible explanations for him
are worse than the time travel explaining nation because they
just don't make sense. Yes, Jeff, back in the time
when we would joyfully shop at radio shock. God, I
(01:26:09):
missed that. I missed Radio.
Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Radio Shack was fun, dude. That's the search search.
Speaker 11 (01:26:17):
Every place that anti social psychotic would frequent. Okay, I'm
heading them radio Shack.
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Hey, I'm feeling called out here, sir.
Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
No.
Speaker 11 (01:26:27):
I love the radio Shack is. I mean, it's where
else could you be to get a USB cable and
a DC motor whatever project you were working on. Hey,
I need a way to I need to and the
people who work there too. Hey, I need a way
to connect my PC too, and long before Adreno and
(01:26:48):
everything else. Yeah, I want I want to power a
fan off my PC on or whatever. And it's like
we'll take this USB cable cut, this off cut these
put these two wires connect him on here. It's just
like surely shit, you know, it's like every one of
them had everybody who worked at a radio shack had
an electronics degree.
Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Well, I mean it was a different time. I mean
that's like, you know, used to the folks that worked
at hardware stores were hardware experts. Folks that worked at
electronics stores were electronics experts. And it's just how things were.
I love what him just putting this. Yet he said,
I set a record as the longest part time worker
at radio Shack.
Speaker 11 (01:27:30):
He was the number one capacity for salesman. That's what
he says in the chat.
Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Yeah, so even more specific.
Speaker 11 (01:27:37):
Yeah, and Al probably went and looked, he said, even
more specific. She looks like she's talking in a two
thousand and five no Kia phone circ. Two thousand and
five No Kia phone, the bulletproof phone, the one that
they sold a auter box four as a joke because
the auto box would break before the phone would. Fantastic phone.
Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I remember that phone. That was That was that was
when this was when every show had that ring tone too.
Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I think I still have that ring tone no,
I just go into fault. You know, I'm the kind
of person who's just too fucking lazy to change the
ring tone. Whatever the default tone is, that's that's my tone, dude,
I used to.
Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
It's funny though, because remember when cell phones were like
a first becoming a thing, and they got to the
point where you could, you know, set individual ring tones
for your different contexts, and we all did that, dude,
I know I did that. I had different ring tones
for everybody. Now now my phone's on silent ninety nine
percent of the time and I don't care.
Speaker 11 (01:28:40):
If you remember when you used to have to buy
ring tones, yes, I remember, and they weren't chieving like
three ninety nine. You know, it's like, yeah, you give
them some JANKI sites. I'd have like ten ring tones
for ninety nine cents, and then.
Speaker 9 (01:28:55):
You know, you.
Speaker 11 (01:28:57):
Get scammed, and that'd be one of the first instances
of you're at it getting ruined because you gave your
credit card to a chinking website. God miss the early
days and the Internet. So that was the true definition
of caveat empoor.
Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Pretty much.
Speaker 11 (01:29:14):
Because every website was a sketchy website. You had to
gauge your gut feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Yeah, it was follow your gut, follow your gut. Well,
believe it or not, sir, we are at the bottom
of the hour again.
Speaker 11 (01:29:27):
Nice, We've still got a couple of stories left too, all.
Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Right, So since I had since I went ahead and
played the original bottom of the hour for a second
hour break, I came up with something else timing I
me to throw in the mix. So we're gonna go
to break with this one. Stay tuned, folks, you're listening
to Juxtaposition more on time travel after this musical interdude, eh,
(01:33:00):
and welcome back into the final segment of this week's Druxtaposition,
where we're doing a deep drive on time travel. So
I figured what more appropriate last minute time travel song
than one of the first shows that introduced me to
time travel before it went nuts?
Speaker 11 (01:33:16):
Who It hit me during the break, tom Baker's getting
up there in yours. Yeah, not wishing yell on him,
and you know, may he live forever, but when he passes,
the collective rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth of
the internets and the world is going to be unheard of.
(01:33:40):
Well it doesn't like Tom Baker. Everybody you can have
your favorite doctor that isn't Tom Baker, but Tom Baker
is you look at Tom Baker, that's the doctor. Yes,
I mean, I mean especially for gen X because we
all grew up with the PBS pledge drives watching Doctor
Who on you know, with me, it was Saturday night
so whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:34:02):
Yeah, So usually when I came back from the party,
Doctorhood be coming on, I'd make myself a case IDIA
and settle in for some really bad, really really bad
practical effects but fantastic storytelling.
Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:34:15):
Well, and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Something that's one of the things that drives me crazy
about modern sci fi. They've gotten so effects heavy that
they're like, but we're putting out him. We're putting out
a movie style episode every hour, and I'm like, it
doesn't matter because your story stucks.
Speaker 11 (01:34:33):
Did you see who's the next next Doctor is going
to be?
Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
As far as I knew, I thought they were keeping
the one they have now.
Speaker 11 (01:34:40):
No, he they just had the episode where he reachined
yeah quous every man tomorrow. He well, I'm breaking it
to you today.
Speaker 7 (01:34:52):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (01:34:52):
He hit me with the uh he hit.
Speaker 6 (01:34:56):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (01:34:57):
Yeah, I'm a time traveler. He's a time traveler and
just posted to Billy Piper Rose is the new doctor. Okay,
that could be pretty cool, but here's what I said
about it. I'm cautiously optimistic. But here's the problem. Unless
BBC has changed their culture and realized that it's not working,
and unless the writers unfunck the writing room, it's going
(01:35:21):
to be like when they brought David Tennant back, just
fucking terrible.
Speaker 10 (01:35:27):
See.
Speaker 12 (01:35:27):
I still I still kind of enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
I mean, granted, I don't like the fact that it
was basically they didn't decide to do a full season
with it. They only did like two or they did
like what was it, three specials, But I still enjoy
I still enjoyed the most recent round with Tennant.
Speaker 11 (01:35:42):
It was the actor came out of his dick.
Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Well that was a little weird. But yeah, when in
the last episode that I remember watching the Baddie just
by it generated So I mean, that's like the new
thing now. Yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Okay, so how weird is that though, because I mean,
you know, we'll talk about that afterwards. We still got
a couple of time travel Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Well, I mean it's not as weird as you think though,
because remember when Capaldi became the doctor, he kept asking himself,
I've seen this face before? Where have I seen this
face before? And in one of Capaldi's last episodes, he says,
I finally realized why I chose this face. So it's
not that unheard of for the Doctor to regenerate as
somebody that he's seen or been around before. They broke
(01:36:30):
that wall with Capaldi because remember Capaldi actually played a
bit character in the whole Pompey thing.
Speaker 11 (01:36:36):
No, here's why it's weird because Tenants doctor was kind
of in love with Rose, so anyway, it just kind
of it. It could be weird. They can make it weird,
they can not address it, or they can make it
fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Well let's well, before we get into the final couple
of stories, let's not forget that the Doctor Who world
is already weird because the David Tennant is married to
the person who played his daughter in the show who
is actually is actually the daughter of another actor that's
played Doctor Who.
Speaker 11 (01:37:13):
So yeah, it's Peter Davidson's daughter. Yeah, so, Baker, if
you're not.
Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Familiar, the weirdness is already baked in, sir.
Speaker 11 (01:37:21):
Okay, that's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
So anyway, So enough of the rabbit hole that is
known as Doctor Who, because I could seriously talk about
this double day because I have I have grown up
on Doctor almost as much as I did Star Treks.
Speaker 11 (01:37:36):
Anyway, I I Yeah, So Andrew Carlson, that's weird because
there's two s's in there. Carlson no relation to mister Carlson,
no no, or missus Carlson. So in two thousand and three,
a gentleman named Andrew Carlson turned eight hundred dollars into
(01:37:59):
three hundred and fifty million dollars in two weeks through
one hundred and twenty six perfect high risk stock train
stock trades, drawing the SEC SEC scrutiny. He claimed to
be a time traveler from twenty two to fifty six
using future knowledge and then completely vanished after posting bail.
Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, so they arrested him for in some of your training.
Speaker 11 (01:38:24):
Yeah, and uh, he posted bail and was never seen
or heard from again. Now, a lot of this is
debunked because there is no the claimants of hoax, because
there are no SEC records regarding Carlson or you know,
(01:38:44):
but if you had somebody completely vanish without a trace,
because again this is in two thousand and three, you
had close circuit TVs at every airport, train station. I mean,
this is the of paranoia and the Patriot Act. So
(01:39:06):
and nobody got into or out of this country without
at least three agencies knowing. Well, so here's here's some
of the weird stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Right. So before he just you know, before somebody posted
them out on bill, which by the way, was not cheap.
Somebody got him out on bill for a million bucks
and dude completely disappeared. But before he managed to figure
out how to make that happen, he was offering people things.
And think about when this was because he was offering
to spill secrets like you know where Osama bin Laden was,
(01:39:34):
or an age cure that he knew about for a deal.
But then somebody built him out for a million bucks
and he disappeared. But so as weird as those things are,
there was no record of this man being anywhere in
any system before two thousand and two.
Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Yeah, he he's a ghost. He didn't exist. So I mean,
it's more of it being a hoax. This if I
were to give it a pause, you know, some pausible deniability,
not some pausible deniability, but a possible you know thing.
This is more of an operation Swordfish kind of thing.
But then again, one and twenty six perfect perfectly time trades.
Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I mean, you know, we don't we don't talk about
odds much on this show, but can you imagine the
odds it would take to do that successfully one hundred
and twenty six times?
Speaker 11 (01:40:28):
Yeah, it'd be like you're in Congress.
Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah you earned that one. But yeah, I mean think
about that though, so other than your fellow other than
your local congress crider, as far as I don't, nobody's
that lucky.
Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
Righty, semi local, but yeah, yeah, not my particular card,
but yeah, exactly, So, I mean that's just and again
you know, oh there were no records, well there were
no records of them at all, but you know what
you could do with this time e trade. It took
(01:41:08):
nothing to open an e trade account back in the day.
Do you have debit card? The baby?
Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I remember the each trade babies. Those were so cool.
Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
Yeah, that was that was a pretty good ad campaign.
So yeah, with this one, I mean it's funny is
that it's Weekly World News that debunked the story, but
Snopes gives doesen't because this is completely a weakly world
news is wheelhouse. This would be something that they should
be all over. They're like, no, this didn't happen because
(01:41:41):
there are it's a hoax because there's no SEC records.
Sorry if that's your only criteria.
Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Oh yeah, just anyway, I don't I don't know. Again,
I mean, the weirdest thing for me, right, Okay, So
so let's just say it was some sort of CIA
hoax or whatever. How did he still manage to pull
off one hundred and twenty six perfect trains?
Speaker 10 (01:42:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
I mean the other thing you can say is that
the story never happened. There was never an Andrew Carlson's
But then why is there so much documentation about it?
You know, this is one of those okay again, birth
of the Internet? Is this a viral story that you
know back in the time, well, you know for the
term viral took off. Is this something that like, you know,
(01:42:32):
took on a life of its own or because this
isn't like you know, it's not some ship posts. Just
I mean that there was actual research downe on it.
So I don't buy the no SEC records.
Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Yeah, I don't really buy that either.
Speaker 11 (01:42:49):
But then again, and it's like I said, are they
really what are the SEC records going to say, Yeah,
we busted this guy for who turned eight hundred dollars
into three and fifty million dollars. He offered us all
the shit, got out on bail and then vanished. I mean,
three hundred and fifty million dollars, you're gonna show up.
So there's even since two thousand, there's very few places
(01:43:15):
in the world where you can move that kind of
money and nobody would know it and nobody would report it.
Cayman Islands ain't it anymore. Cayman Islands has been KYC
for a couple of decades, so you know that's Switzerland
is definitely not KYC. I think it's the Philippines and
in some cases of Nevada. And we talked about this
(01:43:36):
with another story with large amounts of money too, and
you know that's yeah, you're not you're not getting away
with it and not I mean, yeah, eighties, nineties, maybe
post post nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Fuck no, yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 11 (01:43:56):
So the other thing is like, okay, so three hundred
and fifty million dollars, where you go with it? I mean,
if you bury it in the backyard, that's not doing
anything because in you know, twenty two fifty six, three
hundred and fifty million dollars might buy you a chick lit.
Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Yeah, it might might might. So yeah, I remember when
Quantum Leap, like on the Pilot, when he's like, I
gotta get a I don't think I didn't think it
was the pilot. At one point he was talking about
having to get a stamp and it was like one
hundred fifty bucks for his stamp, and everybody was like,
holy shit. Yeah but yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
Weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Yeah, I can just imagine. All right, So we're into
the home stretch. We've got one final topic and we
saved one of the more cool ones for last and
fun intended, so we're still time traveling hipster on the list.
Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
This one's everyone's favorite because yeah, it's this is another
one of those photographs that just can't be explained. I
mean it could be explained. Yeah, everything, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Everything has an explanation, but it's you know, it's how
how like the whole you know, maybe it's a hearing aid,
you know that makes sense if you don't understand how
the technology work. Time. So, I mean, everything has an explanation,
but at the same time, it's you know, it's one
of those I feel like this is kind of the
MiB thing before they came up with the neuralizers, and
they're they're just you know, trying to explain it all
(01:45:28):
the way.
Speaker 11 (01:45:30):
Yeah, and that's what comes from me. If you're not
familiar with it. There's a nineteen forty one photo from
South Fork Bridge reopening in Canada, and and it just
shows a dude wearing sunglasses, a printed shirt, and holding
a small camera and it absolutely just looks like somebody
walked out of circa twenty eleven and right in I
(01:45:51):
mean just you know, your general Starbucks patron you say, hey,
you know it would be cool, let's travel on time
and go back to the South Fork Bridge real, you
know that kind of And it's it's very out of place.
It's very jarring. It's a it's a little disconcerting to see.
Once you see it in the photo, you're like, that's
(01:46:13):
out of place. I mean, this dude had to Okay,
you could have gotten all of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (01:46:22):
It's the sunglasses, they're a classic style. They've been available
since the twenties. The shirt style, yeah, kind of, but
it's you know, and the camera. Yeah, Kodak made a
(01:46:43):
portable one in nineteen thirty eight, but yeah, this would
have been extraordinarily casual dress for the time, and not
the kind of casual dress you just went out to
events in. Because again you have to put self in
perspective of the time you are, everybody wears a suit
(01:47:06):
or there was basically two kinds of people in the world,
those who wore a suit and those who were overalls.
There was very little in between. And this time, I
mean this was like, you know, right around the start
of World War.
Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Two, So.
Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
If you were going to something like this, you would
put on a suit. I mean, shit, people put on
suits to fly on a plane. We need to bring
that back, because it is just.
Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
To get on the train.
Speaker 11 (01:47:36):
Yeah shit, you get dressed for dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I mean so, I mean, and that's what makes all
of this so anachronistic for me, because it's just it's
completely out of time. It's not that the things didn't exist.
I mean, dude was wearing a hockey jersey. Everybody knows
there were hockey jerseys back then. Like you said that,
there was a camera that was comparable for the time.
There there was the glasses style that's been around since
(01:48:01):
the twenties. But it's all things that nobody would have
worn in public back then.
Speaker 11 (01:48:06):
Not in that not to go to an event like that,
And the closest you would have gotten to where somebody
would have been in this fashion sense would have been
the mid fifties. You know, it's now hipster's you know,
kind of like they're ironically throwing back to the fifties.
This wouldn't have been you know, the style of the time.
You know, they were still wearing onions on their belt then.
(01:48:27):
I mean, this was about fifteen years ahead of his
time in trendsetting.
Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
So it just.
Speaker 11 (01:48:41):
And even that. Okay, so time travelers are dressing up
like an ironically, you know, ironically dressing up like two
thousand and one Starbucks patrons. Maybe yeah, it's like, hey,
maybe know I did to blend it in two thousand.
Fuck I overshot him in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Like dun, dun, dun. I mean, dude, it's like, you know,
it's like the remember the episodees of the Star Trek
when they would go into and they were trying to
blend in to like you know, get rid of the
prime directive and there was there was one episode. I
don't remember whether it was one of the newer ones
or one of the older ones, or they got it
wrong and they mean done the wrong. So it's kind
(01:49:20):
of what that reminded me of because I'm like the
la I mean, And this is the thing though, was
that want brother, if you're a time travel if you're
a time traveler and you're trying to blend in, did
you overshoot your mark or what happened? Because yeah, if
you were trying to blend in, you didn't quite make it. Yeah,
(01:49:45):
but still, yeah, this is the kind of thing with
time traveler.
Speaker 11 (01:49:48):
I mean, this is suits will always be in fashion
if you're a time traveler. Okay, if you're from the
year twenty two thirty eight listening to the replays at
this spot broadcast on whatever cake device you found shoehorned
in a basement of some collapsed building after post nuclear event,
(01:50:09):
and you want to go back in time, which swear
a suit you'll fit in in any time from like
nineteen ten to twenty twenty five. You got a pretty
good range in case you overshoot.
Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Well, So the reason a lot of the stuff that
we're talking about for the second half of the show
is proof that there are potential artifacts of time travel?
Is this because what's again what started me down this
rabbit hole was a couple about three four weeks ago
at this point, because we were supposed to have done
(01:50:44):
this one already, that article about from that was quoting
that Chukaku came out. So I started, you know, trying
to see how badly I could twist Rock's brain because
it occurred to me, I'm like, wait a minute, So
if at this point, if he's saying that time travel
is more an engineering problem at this point than a
(01:51:07):
scientific impossibility, doesn't that mean that somewhere time travel likely
already exists. So that was the first question that I
postulated to Rock, and then it started down its whole thing. Well,
I mean, yeah, it's probable, but there would be artifacts.
So that's when I started making it look for different
(01:51:27):
stories that were that were potential artifacts. And this is
the whole reason why I've been pointing these things out
because what started for me, as you know, if we're
now into the realm of scientific theory, not science fiction,
that means this stuff likely already exists. Because if time
travel is possible, that means somebody has already done it
(01:51:50):
at a future time. So what started me down this
rabbit hole was, well, how many instances are there things
that seem anachronistic that everybody's tried to explain away. And
think of the list that we've gone through. We've got
a switch watch and a Chinese pyramid in China in
the sixteen hundreds that you know that may or that
(01:52:11):
you know could be possibly explained as being brought in
by a rat or something, but still plausible, yes, improbable
in my estimation. Still also yes. Then you've got the
the two different instances where it looks like people are
talking on cell phones and they've been captured on both
(01:52:31):
you know, film and photos. Then you've got this guy
seeming completely out of place. I mean, if he's from
the time, then he would obviously know how they typically
dressed for the time. So he's either just thumbing his
nose at everything or he's not from around there. So
(01:52:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
Sorry, I had a mute com what it Gid's coming
back to me and this is something Jeff and I
have talked about a lot, and you know, it's yeah,
it's an engineering thing, and it kind of okay, if
you've got the engineering to do this, then you've got
the math to do this too. The thing with time travel,
and the thing that everybody gets wrong with time travel, especially,
(01:53:17):
and this is why Jeff absolutely fucking hates Back to
the Future, is that in order to go back in time,
you would have to know the exact position and let's
just say you're going to Earth. You would have to
have to know the exact position of Earth in the
universe as it's moving to hit your target. And that's
(01:53:45):
something we don't even know right now. So you know,
it's not like you know, you're it's like you're just
you know, asking Google for you know, a fucking street address,
and this you have to know the it's exact physical
and tis amperoal position in the universe to hit your mark.
(01:54:05):
But again, if you got the engineering where you can
just put a couple of top spin fucking micro singularities
in a sixty seven Corvette and go back to get
an IBM fifty one, you got the math.
Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
To do that.
Speaker 11 (01:54:16):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Oh, I mean again, for all I know, this stuff
starts happening in the year three thousand or something, but
the fact that we're now we now have actual people
with theoretical physics degrees saying that, hey, this stuff is
now more of an engineering problem than a complete impossibility.
(01:54:41):
That That's what afflors me because for them to be saying,
for them to be saying that, that means it likely
already exists somewhere, even if you know, going into this
alternate world theory again, maybe the reason we don't have
it yet is because it's already happened somewhere else and
we're not quite down the same evolutionary path yet or something.
I don't know, but that was the other thing that
(01:55:03):
honestly tripped me out today was We're sitting here getting
ready to do do a show about time travel, and
suddenly there's an article pops up about quantum mirrors.
Speaker 11 (01:55:11):
I was like, say what Now, See the thing that
gets me again, This is going to all sci fi.
It's all time travel sci fi. Even if you look
at like Terra Nova and stuff like that. Despite the
the best intentions, despite the regulation, despite the will, there's
(01:55:34):
always human nature for somebody to fuck it up somehow.
And I guess that's where you get the temporal police
in from uh, you know, deep space nine to go
and unfunck what was fucked up? But it's just the
temporal prime. Yeah, I'm just I'm just I'm just looking
(01:55:55):
at human nature. It's it's human Nature's just funck something
like this up and then completely fuck up. But then
because it hasn't happened in our timeline yet.
Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
I don't know, that's just you know, it's just the
thing is that, you know, I can't imagine future time
travelers not finding a way to come back here, and
you know, you do the Homer Simpson and I wish,
I wish I didn't squish that fish.
Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
There's a thought. Oh boy.
Speaker 11 (01:56:31):
Uh Temple Police. Temple Police first showed up on deep
space nying in the episode uh, Trials and Tribulations, Yep,
trials and tribulations, and then it was a it was
a theory that they liked, so they went forward with
it in enterprise, but it actually was on voyage or two. Yeah,
timeship relativity, Wow ship, we got down to the wire
(01:56:57):
on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
Yep, we're just about at a time, my friend.
Speaker 11 (01:57:02):
Excellent. Every time I think we don't have enough content,
you doubt it.
Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Still after how many years I I was doing this years?
Speaker 11 (01:57:14):
Yeah, so I don't watch more people watch Voyager than Enterprise.
That was a long road. I watched them. Yeah, I
did too, well, I do. I mean it was a
long time you. I was laid up for a couple
of months with a broken shoulder, so I decided I
was going to objectively sit down and watch all the
Star Treks to figure out which one was best, and
(01:57:37):
that at that time I hated Deep Space nine and loved.
Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Next Gen.
Speaker 11 (01:57:43):
I have completely won ad done that. I cannot stand
Next Gen now. I can't even It's unwatchable to me,
but I do. I can watch Deep Space nine forever.
Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
I don't know. See I well. I still like Next Gen,
but Deep Space nine has become my favorite. By the way,
you've upset the alien. Yeah, apparently you missed a.
Speaker 11 (01:58:08):
Joke, No, I I we were talking about Companion in
the bank. Nice. I didn't miss it, Well, I did.
I just couldn't reply at that moment. I had other
thoughts in my I could only hold so much of
my brain at once. Not an alien.
Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
We're not aliens, sir.
Speaker 11 (01:58:26):
We can only do so much. Yes, especially, you know
when when your brain gets into the half century mark,
things start going slow, as you should I don't want
to hear that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
That's not true, right.
Speaker 11 (01:58:43):
This one came to me over discord. A fun time
travel story would be a bunch of engineers who built
working time machine but discover that there's a point in
the future that they can't go to, and the mystery
is trying to figure out why in that year leading
up to the wall.
Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Well, I mean, in theory they've I mean, you know,
it's not necessarily them trying to travel to a future point,
but the entire premise of this season of Doctor Who
has been them not being able to get back to
where they dropped her off at or where he picked
her up at, and they eventually figured out it's because
something destroyed the planet. So I kind of think that.
(01:59:21):
But anyway, believe it or not, my friend, we are
pretty much at a time where can folks find you?
Speaker 11 (01:59:27):
Well, surprisingly, you can still find me on Twitter as
Ordnance packard. Nobody's more shocked than me. Tomorrow you can
find me with me and Jeff on the Vincent Charles Project,
as we are going to be covering the finest film
made by mankind Hudson Hawk next week. You can find
me at the usual occasions Manorama with you on, Rick
(01:59:49):
and already, and we have to get back on schedule
with another juxtaposition next weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
As far as Hudson not great movie, I still kind
of prefer Lize Boy Scout though.
Speaker 11 (02:00:00):
So yeah, totally different, I know, but it's different movies.
Come on, Yeah, so she can stay die hard for.
Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
It was just fucking terrible. Well I find you, don't
look for me. It's a drap. I'll be pushing buttons
for Cornymick tomorrow night as Corn's reading Room comes back,
and then be here some Monday night with juxtaposition after
(02:00:34):
the Spirited Bubbee Hudson Hawk, and then Tuesday through Friday
next week Rick Robinson's show eleven to what is it now?
Ten eastern to one?
Speaker 11 (02:00:45):
I think I think, I think nice.
Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
That's it, Like, yeah, well mostly you can find me
at raddy Wick seventy three. But you know, like I said,
don't look for me, it's a drap. I was trying
not to outrun the outrou or trying not to outlast
the outru Bye everybody.
Speaker 11 (02:01:10):
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