Juxtaposition 05-11-25 Rick and Ordys Favorite Hits -- General Patton And More

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Speaker 1 (04:58):
Better, Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you might be,
you are listening to juxtaposition what is supposed to be
our every two week four a into the weird, the unusual,
the unexplainable. However, it has been a minute. We got

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one in the can last week. Now we're back to
our regular schedule. I'm hoping this will be the last
time we take a break for a while, but mother
Nature's been a whore lately. It's it's Natior's season where
I live. And you may notice I'm a bit raspier
than usual, and you may also hear a fan of
the background. Occasionally it's because it's I don't know, I'm
having hot flashes or something. I don't know what's going

(05:43):
on anyway, I'm just having some technical issues. So we're
gonna get him in here in a second. So just
so everybody knows, I do want to do one thing
real quick, while we have almost nine hundred people hanging
out with us, don't forget tomorrow. After tomorrow, well afternoonish
early Eveningish Corn's reading room seven pm Eastern, hosted by
none other than Korn Nimick himself. We'll be live here
on Kayler right now. That'll be our opening act for

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tomorrow because there is no Vincent Charles project, I do
not think. And then we'll go into the usual stuff
with Jeff and then Alan Ray for our closing act
for the evening. But I hope everybody comes back to
join us for those And I just realized I still
never grabbed my phone, so I hope he's not trying
to text me. My phone was dying, so I put

(06:24):
it on my charger in my room and I was like,
wait a minute, I have a charger in here. I
should have grabbed it and I didn't. But yes, so
we still have no Amish. There are no Amish here.
I need an Amagh signal, like you know, white smoke
for the Pope. We need to figure out something for
when Amish's Internet's working or whatever is going on.

Speaker 10 (06:44):
So I know.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But anyway, so the plan tonight, assuming Amish is able
to join us, and I'll give it a few more
minutes before I start throwing my hands up in the
air and start trying to do the show myself. I
guess is we're gonna be talking an hour one once
we are able to get it started. Yeah, I didn't
think so. I know, I thought you were every other week.

(07:07):
Wasn't one hundred percent sure, because sometimes it starts that
way and then people are like, oh, I'm comfortable enough
now I want to do every week. I'm like, okay,
cool whatever. But anyway, so yeah, I just got confirmation
from Vincent Charles himself. No VCP tomorrow. You done with PCP.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah you know me?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Oh wait, no I'm at VCP.

Speaker 10 (07:24):
My bad.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Sorry, anyway, I'm kind of riffing here. I'm dying on stage.
This is a co hosted show. This is a co
hosted show, and I have no co host. All right,
So anyway, we're gonna start off with General Patton's assassination,
and we have a few others we'll be talking about.
I think I'm just gonna go ahead and get started

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and hopefully all much we'll join us here in a minute.
So without further ado, So this is juxtaposition again, and
for tonight we're gonna dig into some of history's murky
is mysteries. And for hour one, we're tearing into Patten's
nineteen forty five car crash. Was it an accident or

(08:07):
a hit? Then, Palames I probably sang that wrong. Nineteen
eighty six murder Sweden's unsolved riddle. So let's start with patent.
Let me set the stage for you here. So it's
December twenty first, nineteen forty five. General George S. Patten,
the bulldog who crushed Nazi armies, dies in a Heidesberg

(08:31):
hospital official story. A low speed car crash on December
nine in Mannheim, Germany paralyzed him and he died of
a pulmonary of pulmonariat pulmallary. Good lord, get paid to
talk and can't do it pulmonary edema per the National
World War two More Museum. But Patten was a walking crisis,

(08:56):
his diaries raging against Soviets as Mongols demanded war with
Stalin per target patent. You can find that book on Amazon.
And I think we might have an homice siding. Hopefully
this is working now and we may come back to
that in a minute, as long as I can get
him working. All right, So are you there?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
You are?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes? Yeah, I was starting to panic, dude.

Speaker 10 (09:25):
I was like, yeah, sorry about that everyone. For some reason,
it said that I told it not to allow you
of microphone and trying to find where that setting is
to reset it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, all right, So anyway, I kind of started diving
in a little bit because I didn't know what was
going on and when you were gonna be able to
rejoin us. So let's back up just for fun.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
So how.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
How are you other than not being able to make
restream work today?

Speaker 10 (09:54):
I you know what, I'm good. It's fucking hot today,
making ball soup that is, you know, fucking I'm doing great. Boy,
that's a lot of effing I I have.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
A fan on in my office because I'm trying to
be cheap right now and refuse to turn on my
air conditioner, so I feel your pain. It's not hot enough.
It's not hot enough for my air conditioner yet, but
it's hot enough for my man sweats to start, which
you're not cool. I hate them.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
Yeah, I've got the meat sweats. I had steak for dinner,
so that's probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I had.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I had a couple of I had like three slider cheeseburgers,
so I probably have a little bit of meat sweats
going on too.

Speaker 10 (10:30):
Good damn meat sweats. But anyway, all.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Right, so so yeah, I'm good, I'm alive. My allergies
to kick in my ass. Remember how I was bragging
the other day that I that the all of the
the cottonwood is like seven miles in the other direction. Yeah,
guess what the winds are bringing to my yard? Now,
all the damn you're outside by have fires. Still I

(11:00):
don't like you anymore.

Speaker 10 (11:04):
Well, I mean I I do love summertime fires, just
you know, not when the whole state's on fire.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well yeah, I mean you you can't ever really do
summertime fires anymore because they'd be like, we're gonna give
you a ticket.

Speaker 10 (11:14):
For that, just send you straight to get if you
try to light a fire in the state, I mean
you can't. You can't. Mean you're trying to do it
on purpose, like an arsonist or something. Then they just
don't try to be a party.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
They're like, hey, congratulations, you didn't do a good thing. Yeah,
I don't know. It's it's all where you live, it's all.
But yeah, you can't. You can't really yell it. But
you can't really boo VC about no VCP tomorrow because
he does it every two weeks, so I know, kind
of like we're supposed to, but then we want missing
and then we wind up doing two and three weeks

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in a row because we feel guilty.

Speaker 10 (11:50):
Okay, so it's our actual on week.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, this is our actual on week because you were
off members on our on our on weeks. You don't
do culture ship, so.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yes, you know, I just remember that. Well anyway, Oh,
we're doing the Russian Hobbit one next. That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
All right, So I already kind of set the stage
for everybody, but we're still going to kind of go
back that far that anyway, just because now you're here.

Speaker 10 (12:16):
So what'd you set this up for?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So remember, folks, is December twenty first, nineteen forty five.
General George S. Patten, the bulldog who crushed the Nazi armies,
dies in Heidelberg hospital. Official story a low speed car crash.
See if you're wondering how low speed, think of O. J. Simpson.

Speaker 10 (12:39):
Interesting, Yeah it was, you was. The combined speed was
twenty miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
So this happened on December high school driver's head.

Speaker 10 (12:55):
That would be akin to a forty mile that well, no,
because if they both anyway, never mind.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Wait, no math is tomorrow, sir.

Speaker 10 (13:05):
Yeah, that's math as smart show. We don't do math here.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
We don't do math on justice. Math is around here.
So anyway, so this happened on December ninth than Manheim, Germany.
It paralyzed him and he died of pulmonary edema, per
the National World War Two Museum. But Patten was, according
to most folks in the administration, walking crisis. His diaries
were full of raging, just raging diatribes against the Soviets,

(13:33):
calling the Mongols. He demanded war with Stalin. Per target Patten.
You can always go look that up on Amazon at
some point if you want.

Speaker 10 (13:41):
But yeah, so yeah, he here's for rearming German puws
to have them fight Russia. He trashized in Hower's denotification
and the worst defense of all. I mean, he was
presidential run. But you know, I mean Patton, Patton made

(14:04):
quite a few enemies because you know, the uh Polay's
gat fiasco. He wanted to, he wanted to, you know,
make that public. But you know, his plans to liberate
Eastern Europe defied. Ye, the Yelta deals stopped. That pissed
solid off. He was just a grenade.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, I mean, all of this is just the biggest
thing of all. I think was actually that he was
eyeing a presidential run because of everything. But I mean,
think about this from this perspective, looking back and seeing
all this and everything that he was saying in nineteen
forty five. Now, keep in mind, this is the beginning
of the Cold War, This is when all this is
really starting to spin up. But was he wrong about

(14:50):
maybe we should take care of the Soviets now?

Speaker 10 (14:53):
And he wasn't. He was like, you know, one of
my favorite Twitter myths is, you know, where the left
we'll talk about how Russia won World War Two. Well,
even solid said America is a country of machines. Were
it not for the len Lease, we would have lost.
So there you have it, right there. Patton knows that

(15:17):
the len Lease as Russia's you know, supply line, they
could have just finished him off or at least gotten
Hi out of Eastern Europe. Yeah, because I mean it's yeah,
he really wanted to go public with the Caden massacre,
where the Soviets massacre twenty thousand Poles. And yeah, so

(15:46):
he was not popular. His troops loved him, but the
brass hat yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
The brass not so much. But yeah, so he I
think one of the biggest sticking points for everybody because
the brass saw him as a loose cannon, was his
plan to liberate Eastern Year. He defied Yalta in raging
both sides of anybody. Remember his nickname old Blood and Guts.

Speaker 10 (16:09):
Budd and Guts.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, Padden was fearless but polarizing. Soldiers loved him, but
Eisenhower wanted him muzzled. I think Eisenhower wanted more than that,
if I'm being honest.

Speaker 10 (16:19):
Yeah, because Eisenhower wanted to run for president. So yeah,
so so.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
So question and anybody that's in the Chatkins Hiamond as
well if you want, or you can always add us
on X. Was his death convenient timing or something darker?
What do you think?

Speaker 10 (16:37):
I'm ash uh okay. All this is based off of
the the Confessions of a Douglas bot Bassa and yeah,
and he he was adamant about it.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
He uh, he had.

Speaker 10 (16:55):
Like sixty diaries where he wrote about it in it
and his story is that so Douglas pass he was
with the OSS, which, for those of you who don't know,
was the precursor to the CIA the Office of Strategic Studies,
and in nineteen seventy nine, he in an interview with
Spotlight magazine, talked about, uh, how, on the orders of

(17:21):
OSS chief Bill William Donovan, he was offered ten eight
hundred dollars to kill patent and you got to think
that's nineteen forty five money. And he laid out that,
he laid out the whole plan in Spotlight magazine and
this was absolute resistance, covert ops. This is what they

(17:41):
had been training the French to do against the Germans.
This is what they you know, this is just it.
It sounds like an assassination the way that he described it.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, I mean in just since you did mention that,
you know that was what did you say, like ten thousand,
five hundred dollars? Yeah, I think I think about that.
That's that's a lot of hooker and blow money for
back then.

Speaker 9 (18:06):
That is.

Speaker 10 (18:08):
Yeah, in the interview. Yeah, and this all came out.
It's like he you know, in his obituary the New
York Times found out, Yes, he was absolutely a world
class marksman with the OSS, and he was known and
you know he did do run covert sabotage missions and

(18:28):
he kept his story. He doubled down on it at
a OSS reunion in in the late seventies early eighties too,
that he absolutely was hired by William Donovan to assassinate
patent dude.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
That's that. I don't know. This is one of the stories.
It just kind of really weirds me out because this
is one of the first history dives I really did
when I started, and this was you know, keep in mind,
this was probably probably fourteen fifteen years old, the first
time I really dug into this, and the whole time,
all I was thinking was Reagan's quote of the nine

(19:07):
scariest words in the English language, and I'm like, damn,
he was right all alone. But yeah, So apparently, at
least according to certain claims, Soviet NKVD agents actually finished
the job in the hospital, dosing Patten with Czechoslovakian sign
a Czechoslovakian sign I like poison, triggering an embolism on

(19:30):
December twenty one.

Speaker 10 (19:33):
Yes, And to get to that point, you have to say, Okay,
so where did Boosa fit into this and how he
set the op up? Was that there was Patten was
supposed to have a meeting with another general and that
meeting got canceled, so he just kind of said, fuck it,
I'm going hunting, and him and General Gay got into

(19:55):
their nineteen thirty nine Cadillac and started driving outside Hamburger, Germany,
to go go go hunting. And on this descript nowhere
road out of nowhere, a deuce and a half comes
around the corner, driven by Sergeant Roger Thompson, who was drunk.

(20:17):
And if you can feel the air quotes on that,
then I'm putting it out right, barely hit him at
twenty miles an hour. Nobody else in the car had
more than a couple scrapes of scratches, but Patten breaks
his neck and is paralyzed. Now, the rest of the
op according to Baza, was that they had jerry rigged

(20:39):
the window in the back seat that Patten would be
sitting next to you so it couldn't roll up all
the way, and from cover he fired a low velocity
rubber bolt from a spring loaded gun and that's what
snaps Patten's neck. Patten was immediately taken to the one
hundred and thirtieth Station Hospital, which also, thinking of the time,

(21:04):
nobody's got cell phones to call. I mean, yeah, those
summer radios, but nobody's got cell phones to call for help.
The MPs show up exactly on the same show up
at the exact spot thirty five minutes later, like they
knew it was going to be there, just like that
truck happened to be there on this you know, basically
untraveled road. So he's rushed to uh the one hundred

(21:26):
and thirtieth station hospital and that's where he starts to
you know, get treated for you know, his broken neck,
and you know it's he's in the woods. At first,
they don't think he's gonna make it, and then after
a couple of days he starts to recover. I hated
the point that his wife was visiting him in the hospital,
said he was in good cheer, you know that. Yeah,

(21:48):
he was paralyzed, but he was, you know, talking about
getting back stateside and still, you know, he was joking
with everyone, and you just just being patent patent magnificent bastard.
I read your book.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
So let's back up to the crash fors just a second, though,
because to me, the crash does raise several red flags,
and you talked about this earlier, and we're not going
to try to do the math, but a twenty mile
per hour collision. Now, granted, these are vehicles that were
made in the forties, which means they were heavy as hell,
which also to me kind of lends less credence to
the idea that there would have been that much that

(22:25):
happened to the passengers at those speech because.

Speaker 10 (22:30):
It hit you know, witnesses said that the truck suddenly
swerved and hit exactly where Paton was sitting, and even that, Yes, okay,
so you're looking nineteen thirty nine count does not have
seat belts that I mean, I had a sixty four
four pickup that didn't have seat belts either, so sure.

(22:51):
But also, yeah, this is a guy who rides around
of a tank. Yeah, you're pretty used to quick adjustments
and balance and placement. I mean, yeah, nobody expects a
car accident, but I just, yeah, at twenty miles an hour,
I've you know, I've hit concrete posts going a little

(23:12):
faster than that, and right, too much damage.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
But I mean, so well, that's that's just the tip
of the iceberg for me. So you're telling me dude
was paralyzed in a car crash, and by all reports,
it was supposedly a drunk driver. But there's no photos taken,
there's no empowerment records, there's there's no records of anything
other than him being taken to the hospital.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
Yeah, and even then it was just because he showed
up at the hospital. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, all
the there was no investigation whatsoever. Now, before we go
on with this, after the accident, Sergeant Thompson received no
disciplinary action, nothing happened to him at all. He was

(23:58):
whisked off to England for four day and then rejoined
his unit.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
That I mean, you're you're driving drunk and you kill
a general and they don't they they're just like, okay,
go back to work.

Speaker 10 (24:13):
Really, yeah, you're just driving drunk and you know some
French motorcycle you picked up. You're out there in government equipment.
You're gonna deuce in a half anyway. Yeah, And that's why,
you know, it's that more than anything. And that, like
I said, no records, no reprimand, no disciplinary action, no nothing.

(24:35):
That's the four just four days off in England, which
there's no record of what he was doing in England either.
They just sent him to England and send him back.
His whole time there is in a hole too, so
nobody knows what he did in England during those four
days and no record, no records of any of it
until he gets to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I'm gonna yeah, four days do sapeing. I think we
know what was happening there.

Speaker 10 (25:02):
Yeah, that's called a deep briefing.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, there were folks with alphabet soup agencies that were
asking him questions and making sure he understood exactly what
he was supposed to say or else or else. Yeah,
So anyway, go ahead, No, no, no yet, No, I
was gonna say. I mean it. I mean, as far
as the documents and stuff there is, there are some

(25:26):
people that try to float the plausible explanation that war
postwar chaos could explain why there may may or may
not be missing files because apparently there may have been
some form of army investigation done, but apparently if there
was any paperwork that's been lost. But the precision of
that crash, I mean, think about this from this perspective,

(25:49):
this guy, I mean it, this is one of those
things where a million different things had to go right,
all at the same time for this to happen the
way that it did, and that's that's almost accident.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, for to be for it to be an accident,
there would have to have been a million different things
that went wrong, all at the same time for it
to come out the way that it did. And I'm
not trying to do.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
Yeah, you know, I mean, this is one of those things.
It's like, what seems more likely a freak auto accident, Well, okay,
using Okham's razor as a freak auto accident. But there's
just so much. Of the thirteen hundred pages in the
National Archives on patent, there's only fifteen that mentioned the crash,
and none of them are investigative. They're all from the hospital. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
So this is where this gets weird though, because in
his last days on Earth, before the before the edema,
he was in really good spirits. He was joking as
he was joking with his wife in December twelfth, who
was planning recovery on the summer night where eighteenth, he
told her, I'm feeling really well, and then the doctors

(27:07):
were even planning a US transfer and then all of
a sudden he's just.

Speaker 10 (27:12):
You know, yeah, I mean she was reading him Steinbeck's
a red pony, and he really wanted to finish it.
So you know that's but yeah, this is where the
Soviets come into play, because right before the show, one
of my followers mentioned that his grandfather was on Patton's

(27:34):
polo team between the wars, and he absolutely said it
was the Soviets. And yes, this is where the NKVD
comes into play because in this hospital there was a
lot of Soviet traffic through there too. This was probably
the most unsecured hospital in all of Germany. Everybody was
using its staff was in and out and so really

(27:56):
for you know, because the job didn't get finished by
the OSS, this is where the NKVD has to step
in and finish the job. And that's when they poked
him with the pseudo cyanide. Fun times, fun time, And
that's when it gets really weird because if a four

(28:16):
star general dies, you think there would be an autopsy.
You'd think no autopsy. His wife wanted an autopsy. In fact,
if you wanted to go back the way that she
her going off about the lack of security, the lack
of an autopsy. You know, everybody said that, you know, yeah,

(28:43):
just drew a blank cut his name. I've said that
Zada was the first anybody heard about this Hatton's own
wife was raised in the Red Fights, you know, and
why was there no autopsy?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, I mean, you know, and even I don't want
to say she started saying things like this, but it
started becoming a common talking point that a patent who
was able to talk was a threat. So the poison
silenced him.

Speaker 10 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of like, you know,
did you know what, even if he is paralyzed, he's
still got a voice and can still cause all the
trouble that everybody was afraid of him causing.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, let's also not forget the geopolitically, this fits. By
nineteen forty five, again, the Cold War was brewing. Pattens
calls to fight Soviets and expose the massacres, defied Yalta.
And this is all sourced from Goodreads. Stalin feared war.
US leaders dreaded his presidential run. Per Bill O'Reilly's book

(29:51):
Killing Patton, which I've actually read, he's actually a good
he's a good writer. I don't know if he's writing
or if their ghosts written, but they're good books. Yeah,
so yeah, but yeah, o'ver adley's book hints that stall
that Stalin green lit the hit and it's apparently even

(30:11):
source through USA today, So I don't know. But what
do you think?

Speaker 10 (30:18):
Well, I mean that's you know, you know somebody else
that was involved in this too.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I mean, you know, my bad, I thought I muted
an accidentally.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
No, there we go. Yeah, I just almost said that too. Yeah,
there were there were reports to Donovan William Donovan had
an O S S that Stalin had a kill liss
and that patent was on it.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
And it.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Wouldn't surprise.

Speaker 10 (30:53):
This is the least surprising thing of I. Okay, what
do I think? There's a lot of questions, and I mean, yeah,
you absolutely made a valid point that you know, you
still got the fog of war going on. Paperwork gets lost, shuffled,

(31:14):
you know, the one thing that never gets lost those
invoices and receipts, right, So I that unless it's you know,
the government trying to hide an entirely fuck up anyway, but.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 10 (31:32):
I this would not surprise. This would be one of
the least surprising assassination conspiracies we've ever covered. You have,
if they were to come out tomorrow with absolute one
hundred percent proof that Patent was assassinate yep, I knew it.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
We called this over four well, three years ago.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
I think we did this with five years ago the
first time. By the way, new audience get to hear
it all again. Uh yeah, no, we did this five
years ago.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I couldn't remember exactly that it was. I guess I
probably could.

Speaker 10 (31:57):
Have little while.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, but like like you said, we were streaming to
X now, so we have basically an entirely new audience
to torment them with our stuffs, speaking of which we've
got more. But we've hit the break points, so we
should probably take a break.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
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Speaker 10 (32:12):
What do you think? Oh yeah, let's hit the brakes
all right.

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Because the drive to.

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Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yeah, that's it really does fit with the show.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
But anyway, yeah, I didn't mean to step on it there,
but yeah, but before we go, before we go back
into anything, I just want to give everybody a quick
shout to thank you. Thanks to everybody tuning in right now,
we're actually running toe We're running toe to toe on
Live on X with Real America's voice, which is amazing.

(37:10):
Now great, It's taken us like four X feeds to
get what they're getting from one, but you add them
up and we're actually right there with him. So I'll
take that.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I know I said there would be no math tonight,
but that's the math that excites me.

Speaker 10 (37:26):
Yeah. No, thanks everyone for what to say. It's awesome.
I mean, it's moving to X. Thanks Jeff was the
best move that we made, you know, so I'm a
huge fan.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I don't thank him anymore because he likes to still
orb it in my rub my nose in it all
the time. So yeah, I don't think like, well, come on, well,
I didn't really think about the fact that half the
shows we do I'm not even on camera. I was
always like, nobody wants to see my face, but then
half the shows we do the gamer anyway, so wait

(37:57):
h he doesn't. He doesn't even talked to me of
phase three, so I still know.

Speaker 10 (38:02):
Well, he's still working on it anyway, I know. So anyway,
So so I bay from the d M as uh
the his EP got to watch on from October for
the first time of tonight and uh reacts amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yes, I had to be done. So back to Patton, Ah, well,
I mean I think we've actually pretty much beat that
one to death. Unless you've got more notes than I
have here.

Speaker 10 (38:36):
Well, no, there's just one one final thing that you know,
I wanted to hit before the break, but you know,
I really needed to get some another drink, y know.
A lot of the uh you know, the doubt around
it is that it is the gun used, you know,
the U the rubber bolt with a uh spring loaded
you know, sub sonic rifle. Well that just sounds a

(39:00):
little too Ian Fleming. Ian Fleming was oss Well he
was the British Verson but yeah he was. He was
a World War Two spy guy too, So yeah, of
course it sounds a little uh yeah Ian Fleming because
he was right there with these guys, so he knew
what tools were in the spycraft and have modern and

(39:22):
make them you know.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, I mean, and let's not forget the original James
Bond stuff was not too removed from that time frame,
so no, same, So what makes sense. I mean he
he was in the middle of all that stuff.

Speaker 10 (39:38):
So yeah, so yeah, that's you know, that's I mean,
if that's your argument, that's a pretty weak argument because
you don't know about Ian Fleming or you don't know
about World War two era spycraft.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, this is why, you know, and this is not
part of the actual outline topic that we have, but
this is one of the things that drives me crazy
about the anti conspiracy theory for because especially lately, conspiracy
theorists have been right, so fucking always.

Speaker 10 (40:06):
Yeah, I mean we joke about that on Rick and already.
You know, the only difference between conspiracy theory and well
established fact is about six months and anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's not even that. It's like now it's down to
about three months normally. But now, granted there's still some
of them that were still waiting on some stuff to
come out, but at the same time, it's not like
it used to be. Think about how think about how
long it took for a sit in Congress critter to
admit that there may have been at least a second

(40:36):
gunman with JFK that just happened a few months ago.
That was forever. But now it's like, you know, just
in the last four or five years, we're like, oh, yeah, no,
there was definitely a spike protein. We're pretty sure this
came from China. Blah blah blah blah blah. When remember
we were all being demonetized and nuke for saying things
like that.

Speaker 10 (40:53):
Yeah, I lost at least two accounts during that time.
But yeah, so you want to go in next because
you know, we didn't tease it, but we've actually got
some uh some other questionable assassinations.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oh yeah, so I'm thinking we should probably go into
this fetish for next and talk about the rabbit's names foot. No,
i'ms kidding. You probably haven't seen that commercial, so you
have no idea what I'm talking about. It's like a
it's a progressive commercial. They're all, it's a bunch of
motorcycle guys, all bragging because you know, they're lucky. Rabbit's
foot keeps keeps them safe. And then some Swedish guys
like I has rabbit names this foot and it's like

(41:33):
the whole live rabbit and everybody starts freaking out. I
don't know why, but that commercial makes me laugh every
time I see it. I'm weird like that, I guess.
But yeah, so next up that I have on the
hit list, I said, what I said.

Speaker 10 (41:47):
Is Paul Me so yes, off pal. If you're not
familiar with him, he was. He was a Cold War
fire brand. He uh he railed against both superpowers and
kind of like, you know, because Sweden was always like, uh,

(42:09):
you know, hey, uh you know, we're neutral, but in
this he was like, not fuck y'all. He was the
Swedish Prime Minister and he was very vocal. He condemned
the US of allment in Vietnam, the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Uh.
He supported Andy apartheid struggles with open financial backing of

(42:31):
the Swedish government. He supported Cuba under Castro, He defended
North Vietnam, and he did it very fucking loudly. He
pissed everyone off.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, I mean, so one of the biggest things, I guess,
and you've kind of touched on it a little bit,
is he had a lot of neutral stances between the
superpowers and pushed for sanctions against apartheid in South Africa.
Pissed off heavy hitters. So in twenty twenty, sweetish prosecutor's
name stig, I'm not even going to try to say

(43:09):
that last name Eggstrom. I think, yeah, as the likely
killer closing the case since he died in two thousand
per the BBC, but no forensics and Paul May's family
backed Christer Peterson and who was acquitted in nineteen eighty nine.

(43:30):
But yeah, I mean, the dude was just kind of
I mean, for his time, even though I didn't agree
with his stances, A lot of folks would have viewed
him as kind of a powerhouse because he was just
out pissing everybody off and just didn't give it, just
didn't care.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
Yeah. So, to set the scene, on February twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty six, Palm and his wife they went out
for a movie, no bodyguards, no motorcade, just you know,
walking down the Stockholm as one does. Man walked up
behind him, shot him in the back, and then shot
him again as he was on the ground. Now, the

(44:06):
weapon of choice in this, and you have to understand Sweden,
and you have to understand the eighties. The weapon used
in this was a three fifty seven. Getting a seven
in Sweden was extraordinarily difficult. It's not something your common
street thug is going to have.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, let's not forget. They
have pretty strict gun control stuff there, if I'm remembering correctly.
So getting one of those into the country would be
kind of like you fighting to get that AKA you've
been trying to get in the country.

Speaker 10 (44:49):
Yeah, srs that I just can't sks, I just can't
get into the country. Yeah. So the assassin disappeared into
the night, and despite decades of investigation, it remains unsolved.
It became the most extensive and expensive investigation in Swedish history,
tens of thousands of police hours, spawning tens of thousands

(45:12):
of reports and up to three hundred million kronor to
investigate this. Every lead, every foreign suspect, every fringe theory
was pursued, and I mean it was a national obsession.
And the one that they charged, they charged and released

(45:37):
him was a Christer Peterson. He was convicted and then acquitted.
He is just some petty criminal with a history of
drug and mental illness. Doesn't that fit the bill of
every assassin, every Menteurian candidate, And he was picked out
of a lineup by Palme's widow. But the evidence against

(45:59):
some thin and circumstantial and even controversial, and he maintained
his innocence up until two thousand and four, though he
did make some contradictory statements. Then you talked about Scandia
man Stig Instrom. He was named that because he worked
in the Scandia building near the crime scene. He inserted

(46:22):
himself into the investigation really as a witness, and then
he began giving conflicting statements and talking to the media,
which is always dumb. And he matched several witness descriptions,
but they didn't have. The evidence on him was even
less than the evidence they had on Peterson, So it

(46:45):
wasn't until twenty years after his death they said, oh
yeah it was him. Case closed.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that feels a little weak.

Speaker 10 (46:55):
Yeah, especially since he committed suicide in two thousand. Uh
did he though?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Did he really did? Did he really? Or was this
one of them?

Speaker 10 (47:04):
That's the next thing. Yeah, And a lot and a
lot of people think, well, that's sofful convenient, isn't it,
because they can't charge him or question him.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
So my question, because it's just occurred to me, So
this has happened in like late eighties, mid eighties. Did
did Sweden have anything like unsolved mysteries back then? I'm
just curious. So I'm pretty sure they probably would have
TV show about.

Speaker 10 (47:25):
Started in the US.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I think, well, yeah, I know, I just didn't know
if maybe they had. I didn't know if maybe Sweden
had something similar, because you know, everybody's got like America's
America's got talent and shit, now like everywhere it's like,
you know, Korea's got talent. I was like, I was
just thinking that I wonder if they have like a
sweetish version of unsolved about this case, because I bet

(47:48):
they probably did. But yeah, So the the most interesting
thing to me, and the thing that I feel like
they kind of left on just not that they really
left it on the table, but they took it off
the table, is the entire idea that a lot of
this stuff could actually be pointing to South Africa.

Speaker 10 (48:10):
Well and South that there's a laundry list of state
actors who are probable you know, all of them had
equal stake in seeing him gone. And like you said,
you mentioned apartheid era of South Africa. He was a
major thrown at their fight. He was openly funding the America,
the African National Congress, and a former police colonel of

(48:35):
the South African Death Squads alleged that the regime authorized
a hit on him and it was part of a
larger campaign to neutralize Western sympathizers for the black liberation movements.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, I mean, so they were getting they were actually
trying to push to have him labeled as an enemy
of the state because of his anti apartheid work. So
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the order came
from there.

Speaker 10 (49:06):
Yeah, I And next time the hit parade, you've got
the CIA for always, the CIA, always, the fucking CIA,
palms close ties to Cuba and open defiance of America's
policy in the Cold War. UH, he refused to play
ball with NATO and UH files from some of US

(49:29):
intelligence agencies showed that they had tabs on him for years.
Some even the legend he was a that he was
a leak in security risks, so they couldn't you read
him in on a lot of stuff going on. Also
tying in with that too was elements of UH Operation Gladio,

(49:52):
And if you're not familiar with that, that was a
plan to sign NATO backed paramilitary network that actively resisted
did Soviet invasion in Eastern Europe and then was later
implicated in false flag operations and UH political manipulation to
stay for to destabilize Eastern Europe. So they had a

(50:16):
through the CIA and also through their own efforts, they
had an axe to grind with Palmy.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Well, so there's a little wrinkle here. So Palmy's death
death actually started the process to shifts Wheaton TOWARDNADO. Yeah,
that's to me, adds even more credence to the CIA angle.

Speaker 10 (50:38):
Yeah, that's absolutely within a project Gladio's toolkit. That's you know,
that that was that was their jam. Yeah. Also on
the uh the hit parade, you had Kurtis separatists and
Yugoslav's secret police for a lot of the same reasons

(50:59):
for his uh, you know, his anti Soviet expansion views.
Even had the Swedish military industrial complex to use Eisenhower's Wait, so.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Every country has a military industrial complex.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
Yeah, that's kind of the whole point. Just ours is
a military industrial entertainment complex.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Oh, probably more accurate than I want to admit.

Speaker 10 (51:30):
Yeah. So and this was just I mean, everybody was
pissed off of the dude, which you know they always say,
you know, if you're taking a lot of flak, you're
over the target. So yeah, this guy, he uh he
definitely there was There was a lot of people, There
was a lot of at the time quite powerful organizations
that wanted to see this man did or at least neutralized.

(51:53):
And in Cold War Dayton, that's the same thing. Well.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
So the thing that it trips me up right is
the three fifty seven because one that screams America, but
two who could have actually gotten the damn gun into
the country if it wasn't somebody tied to us in
the first place.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Well, I mean, anybody, it's not hard to sneak something
into a country. I mean, if it was, we wouldn't
have I mean, every country has got a heroin problem.
A heroin is illegal in almost every country, but every
country has a heroin problem. I when Australia did their
gun by back, that actually created quite a robust black
market for weapons in Australia. So yeah, it's people will

(52:42):
find a way, and you got I was thinking here,
you know, before the show, I was wondering why a
three fifty seven Jerdy Harry? That was a forty four magnum?
Who's using was that?

Speaker 8 (52:56):
No?

Speaker 10 (52:56):
Wait, that was Bronson? I was using three fifty seven, right.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It was Bronson three fifty seven. But in your defense,
I actually just said, do you feel lucky punk? When
you mentioned three fifty seven. Then I realized it was Bronson.
So I did this bigger, right?

Speaker 10 (53:09):
So yeahs still big and a big in eighty six.
So you're right. But my point stance, you know you
want to do something, and you know you got you know,
you want to be that guy.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I mean also, well, I mean to be fair, that
was that was that was one of the guns back
in the day though, too, and is as big of
a fan as I am with some of the autumn
the semi autos, I still can't. You can't beat a
good wheel gun because there's almost nothing that can possibly
go wrong unless you do self loads.

Speaker 10 (53:43):
Right. My favorite gun I've ever shot was my dad
had a fucking thirty eight Smith and Weston Kobra. That
was a snake gun, and I love firing that thing. Yeah,
just a little snub nose Saturday Night special nickel plated,
you know, just just the most the most ghetto thug
gun you could imagine. But I mean that wasn't like

(54:05):
a anyway, but uh yeah, that's still, you know, one
of my favorite guns to shoot to this day. So
I wish I had gotten it when he had passed.
What happened to it, nobody knows, which means it probably
has it or they sold it. Yeah, my dad saw
a lot of guns at the end of his life,

(54:27):
so let's.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Say it may have got he either may have sold
it off or somebody else. Dude. Yeah, anyway, that sucks though.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
Yeah, Al's got a three fifty seven snubby so but yeah,
I mean that's what I say. I mean it's not
hard to get something like that into the country. But
that's you're doing that with a purpose, you know. That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
But yeah, I mean it's just you know, in between
you know, the the sweetish extremists or you know South Africa.
I mean, there's any number of people that could have
done this, but there's just so many like little weird things.
I still can't get past the fact that they're like, oh,
let's say this guy that killed himself twenty years ago
did it.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
Yeah, they tried to do the oh you know, he
was right wing and you know, because Tommy was pretty
uh you know, pretty not full socialist, but you know
democratic socialists, you know, socialism light and uh you know,
so there's like the argument was, oh, you know, he

(55:37):
was just he was just a mad conservative who But
the thing is is, like, you know, it's like that
due to Luigi who killed the uh this insurance ceo.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Dude, that that was what I was just thinking of
when you were describing how that was done. I was like, dude,
that is like just like what happened in New York
City if you and two Yeah, and.

Speaker 10 (55:55):
You know, the thing is is like, you know, you
can't do the Street. You know the reason why that
the argument with the guy that with Peterson doesn't work
is that they weren't robbed your dude, is why, you
know it was. It reminded me of like Batman's origin,
sorry too, walking out of the theater, just gets gunned
down at random, no robbery or anything, just gunned down,

(56:18):
you know, so and the whole Oh he was just
a mad conservative, you know, mad right right wing extremes
or whatever. That that doesn't fly, you know, and without
being without it being a robbery, there goes your uh,
you know, your mentally ill drug use guy that they
originally you know, charged and convicted. It just it screams

(56:43):
of a hit. So it's not it's just a question
out of who hit him?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well, so, well this is the thing though, right, and
this is the only thing that kind of makes it
feel less ci A like to me, because if I'm
c I A and I'm hitting somebody, I'm gonna make
sure I check every box to make it look like
a robbery. So it kind of surprises me that they didn't.
This seems like somebody that originally did it, originally did
it and was intending to take credit for it, and

(57:10):
either something stopped them or something happened to them.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
A message. Yeah, you gotta remember at the time too,
it was more important to send a message that you
we can touch you kind of thing, because that was
also a very cold war thing.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
See. Thanks for the Michael Jackson flash. Yeah, all right,
I don't know, chat what do y'all think? Who you think?
Who done it? Who done it? I don't know. I'm
kind of I'm kind of all over the place with
this one. I'm still thinking. I'm still thinking South Africa.

Speaker 10 (57:44):
Though, because you know, one of the things that was
that has been forgotten. I mean unless you, you know,
were really plugged in at the time or you you.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
You you.

Speaker 10 (58:00):
Have a penchant for Southern Hemisphere history. It wasn't a
secret South Africa had death squads literally, I mean the
apartheid government, the Africanic government, they were just straight up
doing death squads. You know, it's without being communists. They

(58:21):
were pretty fucking communists when it came to.

Speaker 8 (58:22):
That, you know.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
So yeah, I'm I'm moving towards South Africa too, because
he was actively funding their opposition. The other ones are
just you know, that's the case of the ass. You know,
that's a you're just a fucking dick, you know. But
in that case, it's like you are actively trying to
harm us with the power of a state.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Well, I mean in between them, you know, moving towards
in between them, moving towards declaring him in an enemy
of the state, and then him like just you know,
openly doing the exact opposite of what they want anybody
to do. I said. The only thing that makes me
even move, maybe even one tick into the box that
maybe c I a out of probably four for South

(59:08):
Africa was the fact that his death ultimately started to
push for NATO.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
Right, Yeah, And that's where you can kind of lean
in on Glaudio and the CIA too, because that's kind
of okay, that's very Western powers thing to do. At
the time, you're not so much the well, I almost
foolishly said, not so much the assassination. Like we were
above that ship you take out our own. We got

(59:35):
a lot of hypography where we say, yeah, you can't
assassinate foreign leaders, but we can assassinate our own, right.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
And we've we've done that a lot. All right, Well,
believe it or not, man, we are back around at
the top of the hour.

Speaker 10 (59:47):
I didn't think we were gonna get a half hour
out of that stretch.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Well, to be fair, we because we didn't. I didn't
build breaks into this crib, so we're actually script I'm
free dogging. No, I'm in the outline.

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
All right, let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Y'all are listening to Juxtaposition live on KALON Radio, and
hopefully Amus and I can stay on schedule for a
while so I can actually have part of a Saturday off.
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Dude, mine has been terrible. Aley, I was actually surprised
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Speaker 10 (01:06:59):
Yeah, I try to, as you wrangled everybody into one chat.

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Speaker 10 (01:07:12):
That's why has eleven or nineteen hundred followers. So yeah, anyway,
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Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, the I still think that's part of the reason
why al Gore tried to convince everybody he created the
interwebs is because they decided to call them algorithms. Yeah,
I think I think he tried to make a joke
in it backfired. Yeah, anyway, fun times, fun times.

Speaker 10 (01:07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
But yeah, So if you've if you're just joining us,
because I've noticed the numbers have been creeping up the
last few minutes. We've been talking conspiracy theories around assassinations.
We've been talking about the sweetest assassin assassination that happened,
talking about General George as Patten and the conspiracies around
his assassination. And since we're in the hour two, we're

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gonna keep that topic going. Or as I've been saying
all night, just because it's fun to say, and everybody
looks at me crazy, We're going to keep the hit
list coming and they don't look at me in that Doorboys,
it had to be done.

Speaker 10 (01:08:21):
I've been wanting to redo this show for a while,
or the patent one, and I'm sorry, but the Kennedy
assassinations just bore the fuck out of me. Now everything's
been said on the topic, you know, it's I mean,
you're not wrong. We got a couple months ago that
was lame.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
So yeah, I just.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
I'm so tired. You know, what's more interesting is the
characters around the assassination rather than the assassination.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Themselves exactly, because that's that's more. That's where you actually
start finding out more from it. Anyway, I mean the
only thing that interested me was seeing somebody with a
great check say, hey, we think there may have been
a second shooter. I'm like, welcome to the fucking party, pal,
second shooter theory.

Speaker 10 (01:09:10):
Yeah, I did. I saw jfk Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I don't know. I still as much as Trump pissed
me off during his first run up because of how
he was just a dick to everybody on the stage.
I did love the little you know, the whole ted
cruise as the Zodiac killer thing, and his dad was
the grassy and old gunman that that.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
Made me well that and I like Ted leaning into it.
So anyway, yeah, I mean I got he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
He got some respect points for me because instead of
like shying away from it, I mean he still does it.
Somebody tagged him in a couple like a month ago
and they were like, are you are you sure this
wasn't you. He's like, can you prove it wasn't?

Speaker 10 (01:09:58):
Like that's hard to better be ted. Yeah, yeah, there's
always a second shooter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
So I want to just well, you know, second shooter theory, right,
not only was it second Shooter, but with Patton there
were entire teams because there was one guy that tried
to do it and that didn't work, and then they
sent in like Russian assets and everything else to get
it done apparently, So it's it's not it's not an
uncommon theory for there to be more than one group involved. Sometimes.

Speaker 10 (01:10:28):
You know, the next one we're going to talk about,
you know, keeping with unpronounceable Scandinavian names. Hey is that
I know? I did? This one also has a lot
of people with fingers in their pot in the pie
in their pie, and this one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Hey on, I don't get to do this this often
on this show, but this rules giggy giggy giggley. Good
to be done.

Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
Anyway, it was coming. So this one is with the
the death of the second Secretary General of the United Nations,
Dag Hammer Skulp. I it's the silent jay and all
the bullshit above the letters that throws me up. So

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I probably butchered it. It's probably no, that's just Hammer
because Mords are weird. So anyway, September eighteenth, nineteen sixty one,
he Dag was flying to Dola, Northern Rhodesia to broker
a ceasefire and what was known at the Congo crisis

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at the time. There was where mining companies, Belgian mercenaries,
katang and separatists, everybody was fighting in that and that
it was basically all for the uranium and cobal deposits
in the region. In the middle of the night, the
plane went down. Of course, the immediate story will was

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pilot error.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Of course it was.

Speaker 10 (01:12:06):
I had a little cotton wood moment there for a second.
The problem with the official theory is, uh, airplanes are
up in the air and people see them, and you know,
not everything is the gods must be crazy in Africa,

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people recognize, you know. So there were several witnesses. The
official story started falling apart immediately. Several witnesses report a
second plane, hearing gunfire, a ball of fire in the air,
and the plane coming down.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Yeah, yeah, which which blew, which blew all kinds of
holes in the accident theory.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
Yeah, how was it pilot error to get shot down?

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah? So the top theory is something called Operations Celeste.
Apparently there was a South African plot with CIA and
MI six backing.

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
This was young. Yeah, that was a yeah, because one
of the things Dag had, Dag made his enemies he uh,
he was really trying to stop colonialism in the southern
hemisphere in Africa and South America. So a lot of

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the Cold War players at the time needed the global
South because that's where a lot of the uranium and
cobal and things you needed to build a Cold War
came from. So and just like today, everybody's fighting over
the mineral rights down there. Uh. Where it got weird

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is Harris Gold's body was found away from the wreckage
of the plane. He was wearing a perfect with clean
shirt that had no burns in it, unlike everybody else
on the plane, and there was an Asus SPADs tucked
into the collar of a shirt. Not making that up.
That's that's real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
So it seems like somebody, I hate to use this phrase,
but it fits. It seems like somebody leaving a calling
card for that to be there.

Speaker 10 (01:14:20):
Yeah. No, that's absolutely a calling card. I mean, that's
it's actually a calling card to the point of being
a trope, you know, And that's kind of it's just
so TV movie. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I mean, that's that just seemed that really seems like
something like straight out of a Bond movie.

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
No, really, it does. But yeah, you had this Operation Celeste,
and and that there was actually part of the plan
of Operation Celeste was to eliminate Hammer School using sabotage
or an onboard explosive. This was a South African and
like you said, Joint CIA five they were working together

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for a lot of African interest in keeping the global powers,
you know, doing the Cold War thing down there. So
in twenty ten a UN investigation was launched because all
this stuff that was suppressed for fifty years started coming forward,

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intercepted radio traffic for mercenary pilots, Zambian witnesses that had
been suppressed for decades. And then there was a secret
cable suggesting that the ambush was planned.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
So well, yeah, there's a little bit more from that.
And this is actually backing up a little bit more so.
In nineteen ninety eight, South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
released the Semar Letters detailing a bomb in Hammer School's
d wheel. And this this was actually even before the

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twenty nineteen, twenty twenty stuff that you were just talking
about a second ago. So yeah, I mean, it's just
you know, we went from accident to potential sabotage to again.
But if it's only if it's sabotaged, what's up with
the second plane?

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
Well, and that's just it, you know. Okay, So this
is where you learn to have a backup plan.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:16:26):
It's like, so, how's the bomb going to go off?
Because if the bomb was supposed to go off when
the plane took off. So because as we all learned,
if something's gonna happen on an airplane, it happens during takeoff,
except when it suddenly falls out of the sky. So
if the bomb didn't work, which didn't because they were

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well into the flight by that point, then that's where
you get intercepted by mercenary pilots.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
The plan well, so yeah, this goes back to that
second plane you were talking about earlier. So according to
a Susan Williams, who killed Hammer scold, I guess a
book that was written about it, it was they were.
She was arguing that there was a mining cover up
for Hearst publishers. So in a twenty nineteen Guardian piece,

(01:17:13):
says an RAF veteran Jan Van Riskin trying not to
butcher the name, confess to shooting the plane, though his
family denies it. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I guess,
I guess maybe you're right. Maybe maybe the bomb was
supposed to do the job. The bomb didn't do the job,
so r a F dude shot down the plane. I
don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:17:34):
Yeah, which kind ties on with m I five six
is a yeah, involvement in it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
And then why why are we always doing this shit
to people?

Speaker 12 (01:17:43):
Though?

Speaker 10 (01:17:44):
I don't know? Is that you know the CIA had
full knowledge of this plan? So too. I mean, that's
part of the cable about the ambush was to see
it was I guess this came from a uh from
yeah I released documents around the time, or from the

(01:18:04):
but anyway, so yeah, the CIA was mentioned in the cable,
so yeah, it's yeah. And the whole thing is just
for Congo's resources. And as we all saw, those diamonds
are great for making lasers. True enough, terrible movie, good book,

(01:18:27):
terrible movie. Even the books we know the book is okay,
book just fun. Yeah, the book was better. The book
is always better. There. Yeah, there you have again, Oh

(01:18:48):
pilot error, Yeah so much and.

Speaker 12 (01:18:53):
You just.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Well, so like, well, what one of the funniest things
for me right, because because there are some there are
some other dark horse theories for this. But one of
the funniest things for me is seeing all the stuff
coming out where at one point you had the CIA
blaming the KGB, the KGB blaming the CIA, and I
six is just over there going, I don't know what

(01:19:16):
y'all talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:19:18):
Right by six was the one who probably set up
the the Mercenary Fighter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
So but because the CIA started blaming the KGB, that
actually started pushing theories that maybe the Soviets are even
Cattanga rebels may have actually been involved in this as well.
This is actually this is actually from a United Nations report.
One of the things that keeps this one of those

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conspiracies that keeps cropping back up once in a while
is even to this day, nobody knows what happened to
the black box of the plane. They never found it.

Speaker 10 (01:19:58):
Yeah, I mean it was a so it was I mean,
it had some telemetry in it. But yeah, okay, I
this is you really have to get the Congo at
the time too, because I mean it's so yeah, the
kg B, this is where you know, Saint Raphael Ganowitz
of Poland was doing some of his fighting at the

(01:20:21):
time with Belgian mercenaries. So yeah, doing the anti communist thing,
and so this was just it was the domino theory
on a smaller scale because you've got mining operations there
fighting with the separatists. It's just it's shit that cotton
is permanently fucked up. I don't care what any anyway,

(01:20:45):
it's just a mess. What's your country's name this week?
So it's as bad as Southeast Asia was at the
time too, so.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Oh good, even don't even get me started. Sounds it's
like those countries change names like every five minutes. That's why,
you know, not that we talk politics that much on
this one, but that's why I laugh at everybody throwing
a fit over the renaming of the Gulf and stuff.
I'm like, you guys are alive in the city. You're
not understand how much this happens all over the world

(01:21:22):
all the time.

Speaker 10 (01:21:24):
I'll be cold in the grave before I call it Campuccia.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Well about that, but yeah, so so so, after doing
a little bit of a discussion on this one, what
do you think in piloter sabotage shot.

Speaker 10 (01:21:45):
I'm I'm going with it getting shot down now where
I'm lost in this Even if it was shot down,
how did dude land away from the wreckage? And I
get people get sucked out of airplanes and still clean
shirt or the National Spades shoved in the collar. That's

(01:22:08):
I mean. So, yes, the plane was shot down, that
sort of blew up whatever it was definitely sabotage or
just shot down. That's really the plane went down and
it wasn't pilot error. How about that You got dag
away from the wreckage and a clean shirt with a
calling card. That's my big question.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Well, yeah, for me, it's a clean shirt and the
calling card because I have a working theory because think
about it, if the bomb didn't go off and another
plane started shooting at the plane, there's a good chance
that when the plane caught fire, whatever was keeping the
explosion from happening probably happened, which explains maybe why and
how he got sucked out of the plane. But how

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he meant? I mean, there's no report of him having
any kind of a parachute or anything. So how in
the hell during that entire time is there a playing
card stuck in his collar and there's no sign of
anything on his shirt? No, I mean, the clean the
clean shirt part is what really throws me, because I'm

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like you, you would think, granted, if you're if you're
in a plane that is on fire and you've been
sucked out of it, there's a good chance that there
may be some smoke or something, or that maybe at
some point when you hit the ground at terminal velocity,
your shirt wouldn't have looked so clean anymore. I'm really
I'm really confused by this.

Speaker 10 (01:23:35):
So I'm gonna throw in my theory on that right now.
Just formulated this while we've been talking about he was
never on the plane in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
See, that's kind of what I'm thinking.

Speaker 10 (01:23:46):
They shot the plane down and threw the body by it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
That that, I mean, it's the only way, it's the
only way the calling card fits, and that that's That's
kind of where I was going with it. But I
was trying trying to rationalize my way past that. But
this seems like they did something to him and then
use the plane crash to cover up the fact that
they had already done something to him, whoever they may be.

Speaker 10 (01:24:10):
Because I didn't send anything else to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Well, because it doesn't make any sense. I mean, again,
there's no mention of parachute, failed parachute nothing. Dude apparently
was supposedly fell out of the plane and was way
far away from the plane apparently, well far enough away
that everybody's like, oh, look he's way over here and somehow,
like I said, I mean, I don't know if you
guys have ever, you know, studied physics things like that,

(01:24:35):
but hitting the ground a terminal velocity is bad.

Speaker 10 (01:24:40):
Well, the thing is you have in the cartoons, you
make a crater, you actually bounce.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Yeah, which means I mean think about that for a second.
And I Matt, I mean, so think about this, because
I know we've all done this, this this probably if
you were a cups out boy scout, probably maybe for
science class, a stupid thing where they make you build
a thing to try to keep an egg cradled so
you can drop it from like the second story and
it doesn't break. Think about how badly that goes when

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you get it wrong, right, And imagine what that guy
would have looked like if he had fallen. And I
mean even from two three thousand feet there, there there's
no way that Oh look he's got a perfectly clean
shirt on and there's a playing card in the collar.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
It just happened to be playing you know, cribbage on
the flight and uh see I said there was gonna
be no math and criviad Crivage is probably the most
math centric gamers, which.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Is why I've never played it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
Okay with that, we used to play, uh when I
was a graveyard bartender. We used to play penny a
point that can get expensive. So but yeah, so anyway,
so that's the uh that, that's the offing of Dag hammerskold.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Oh will Conner coming in breaking news. It turns out
he was a Democrat, which means he was full of
hot air. Yeah, ballanced b Yeah, how cartoons she put
you pumped the airbrakes that too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:26:29):
So you know, I'm going with dude on the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I think you're right. I I I not only am
I about one thousand percent certain that the plane was
shot down, which probably triggered the original explosive device that
was supposedly in the Willwell, I don't think dude was
even on.

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
The plane, even though it is his plane, and the
fact that it was you know, the the general secretary
of DC six, is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It really that real?

Speaker 8 (01:27:00):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:27:01):
Well, I mean to be fair, I'll catch up with
you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Fair air Force. Air Force one does go places occasionally
without the president. Of course, it's not the thinking of
the Air Force one when he's not on it. But still,
you know, it's the it's it's honestly, as we've talked
through it, the only plausible explanation for how dude's body
was apparently in such good shape, because otherwise it should

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have never been.

Speaker 10 (01:27:27):
Yeah, and in this case, you know who did it? Everybody?
I mean everybody. In this case, everybody's got equal footing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
You know, pretty much.

Speaker 10 (01:27:37):
Everybody's got the same The only one that doesn't really,
I mean, aside from them being like the major power
in southern in the Southern Africa region, South Africa's involvement
doesn't really make sense unless they had mining interests there.
But also that would be like saying the United States

(01:27:59):
involvement doesn't really makes sense somebody, you know, when you're
talking about something in central South America. So yes, regional
powers got their thumbs in everybody's pie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Hey you said it right this time?

Speaker 10 (01:28:13):
Yes? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Well, any final thoughts on this one before we take
the break?

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
No, this, I think we can put this one to bed.
I just, yeah, that's weird. Yeah, yeah, he wasn't on
the plane though, because then everything I researched on this,
not one person said maybe he wasn't on the plane.
They he just got sucked out of the plane, or
you know, it's just weird. He you know, it's weird.

(01:28:40):
He wasn't in the plane. Yeah, that's weird. Why do
you think?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Yeah, maybe because they planted the body. I mean, come on,
perfectly clean shirt and a playing card. I'm feeling that
this is a Columbo.

Speaker 10 (01:28:58):
Moment Foster suicide. We're gonna do an Arkansas episode.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, we actually when we do, I actually have somebody
that may want to come on for that. When he
was actually a corner during a lot of that stuff.
So in Arkansas. All right, so we're gonna take the
bottom of the hour break. I cue the wrong one,
so I'll come back with the right one in a minute.
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Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I missed you all so much. I rush the returns.
Welcome back to the program, ladies and gentlemen. We are
about three quarters of the way through this episode of Juxtaposition.
Hope everybody's having a good time. Chat's kinda hoppen tonight.
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
All right.

Speaker 10 (01:33:47):
So anyway, you know, before we get al, before you
take it off, uh, give us a heads up before
your next vacation. I want to do tails from the
Rock and roll Graveyard again. That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Oh yeah, we need to We need to do that,
but I do, I do need to find and cut
a segment because if I remember right, Ron was in
that one.

Speaker 10 (01:34:07):
So no, he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
He wasn't in that one.

Speaker 10 (01:34:11):
I thought he was in there was He did a
shadow Man, Yeah, and I think he was on a
I think he was on the Area fifty one Roswell
one we did with Jeff too, if I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
It was just because he was really active in the
chat during that one.

Speaker 10 (01:34:26):
He was really active in the chat that night because
that was that was a topic that spoke to him
for for us new listeners. One of the original staples
of kal Or in chat back when we had chat
on our own website and for a while the only
person in chat for most of the shows was a
gentleman named and he passed away a couple of years ago.
So a lot of what we do is for him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Yeah, I remember there. I mean there were times that,
you know, especially when Reels was like a late night
show and everybody else was going to bed and he's like,
are you doing a show tonight? I'm like, dude, you're
the only one that He's like getting the fucking chat
and do a show.

Speaker 10 (01:35:03):
Fine, Fine, anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
How far we have come since then, I think he
would love how far we've come. He would be beside
himself for everything that we've done now. But anyway, I'm
gonna get for climp. If we don't get back on.

Speaker 10 (01:35:22):
Top, don't don't get misty on me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
So all right, So we've got one last person on
the hit list.

Speaker 10 (01:35:34):
Yeah, this one. Okay, this one. There's no doubt it
was an assassination. There's no doubt who did it. It's
everything else surrounding it that's the big question mark. And
this is kind of a quick hit. This was just
kind of you know, we'll have some time for VAM
because I don't think we'll get more than ten minutes
out of this one. Lord Lewis mount Bottom, Mount Boughton.

(01:36:05):
He was the last Viceroy of India, Queen Elizabeth's cousin,
Prince Philip's uncle, Prince Charles's mentor. He was a Navy vet,
He was a war hero.

Speaker 8 (01:36:19):
He was.

Speaker 10 (01:36:21):
The model of the British monarchy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
He was the.

Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
He was the ideal that when when you thought of
a lord and not just like the one who actually
who was a doer and he had his fingers in everything.
He was in the intelligence services. He was he knew OSS,
he knew CIA, he knew he knew all of the
Western powers.

Speaker 12 (01:36:49):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:36:50):
He had deep ties to British intelligence. During World War Two,
he coordinated secret operations.

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
UH.

Speaker 10 (01:36:57):
During a Cold War. He was in the upper echelon
of power. He was also saying as the potential peacemaker,
he was really trying to do his best in the troubles.
And if you don't know what the troubles were, that
was the war in Northern Ireland over British occupation.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I thought you were doing it haven throwback there for
a second. I was like, wait, different troubles.

Speaker 10 (01:37:24):
That was totally different troubles. Yeah. So he he was
pushing for reconciliation with Northern Ireland. This pissed off the
British military, and it pissed off the Irish Republicans, the

(01:37:44):
radical nationalists and the hardline British loyalists all saw him
as a threat because he was if anybody was going
to get them to the table to talk, it was him.
And this was in this This was in seventy nine.
So yeah, there was way, way, way, way, way way
before there was any even hint of reconciliation.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
So, by the way, I hate you right now?

Speaker 10 (01:38:13):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Because the way you open your show put something in
my head and I can't get it out, or the
way you open this.

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
Segment, what's that laying on me?

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
I am the very model of a modern movie general.
I hate you right now. I cannot get that song
out of my head.

Speaker 10 (01:38:27):
Now, I hate you talking about doing musicals with one
of the plays, and Pirates of Pens Answer or HMS
Ptaphore was listed as one of the anyway So August
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine, Mount Boughton was vacationing at
his castle in Ireland. That morning, him and the family

(01:38:48):
and some friends took out a small fishing boat into
the bay. A few minutes later, explosion tore through the vessel,
killing Mount Boton, his grandson and many others. Immediately, the
IRA claimed responsibility and that should have been that, but

(01:39:10):
it wasn't. Yeah, it's never that simple.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
But yeah, So just to give a little bit more,
I know you've covered it pretty well, but there's a
couple of other little backstory bits here. So Mount Botten
was actually the very symbol of British imperialism, So that
thought running through my head with how you opened everything
was what put that dams on in my head. Also,
he would have been a perfect IRA target during the

(01:39:34):
troubles that you mentioned earlier. However, even though they did
quickly you know, claim responsibility, et cetera, there is some
whisperings and always have been that there may have been
British intelligence complicity involved, and there's there's reasons for that too.

Speaker 10 (01:39:57):
Yeah, the main question is so basically is in a
war zone you have a British lord at his castle
in a war zone, because that's you know, it was, Yes,

(01:40:17):
it was an insurgency, but it was still anyway, security
was laughably lax and to the point of how could
IRA a agent's sneak that much explosive The kind of

(01:40:38):
the size of the explosion was apparently quite significant onto
a boat right in view of the castle, I mean
a walking distance of the castle. So you know, it's
not like they just kind of went out and know, hey,
let's go ride of boat for the day. This was
you know, at the pier at the you know, and
when you think small fishing boat with the amount of

(01:40:59):
people they're talking about small fishing boat for British Royalty.
Probably not that small, so you would think that there
would be security on the boat too. I mean, they're
not just taking out some aluminum fu controller.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Right, yeah, no, I mean any I mean think about
this from a royalty perspective. This was probably some form
of small yacht used for the purpose.

Speaker 10 (01:41:23):
If you want, like you know, cigar boat or something
like that. Still it's it's not going to be a
small boat. But yeah, there's no security of it around that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
And this.

Speaker 10 (01:41:39):
There's some evidence that m I five knew the attack
was coming and let it happen anyway, because the assassination
of a well known British ward with such ties to
the royal family really is going to galvanize the population
and probably set reconciliation back a decade.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Well, and according to some that may have actually been
the plan, because that's yeah, because I mean, yeah again,
we're gonna start talking about some of these very same
alphabet soup agencies we've been talking about all night. M
I five, m I six, possibly even CIA may have
let this happen intentionally not only to cause an escalation

(01:42:22):
in the troubles, but also to possibly help cut IRIS
US nor AID funds.

Speaker 10 (01:42:30):
Yeah, well that, I mean, there had been reports suggesting
that there had been warnings and even tips issued prior
to the attack that the attack was going to happen,
and they were all ignored or downplayed for reasons unbeknownst
to anybody. Mount Bottom security detail had been reduced in
the days leading up to the bombing and have never

(01:42:53):
been adequately explained. That sounds familiar, and then yeah, it's
I mean, just the symbolism of this was a great
rally point for the IRA and a great rally point
for the British loyalists. So exactly want to fight. This

(01:43:16):
is I want to keep fighting. This is how you
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
But so, well, here's the thing. So assuming that it
was that there was some sort of intrigue involved in
one of the Alphabet agencies was involved, the exact motive
is pretty simple because his death actually justified Margaret Thatcher's
hardline policies at the time. She was wanting to do

(01:43:41):
internment and everything else.

Speaker 10 (01:43:43):
Yeah, yeah, this it really escalated things. And then the
money involved too, because the Irish in the US we're
throwing gobs of money at the IRA. It was actually
kind of a bone of contention between the USA and England,

(01:44:05):
that you know, elements of the American public were funding
a war against the British Empire, basically what was left
of the British Empire. So yeah, this is those were
one of those hot spots in the world that just
a tiny ripple made huge waves in one way or another.

(01:44:29):
And yeah, this was the real question is if all
the intelligence agencies knew this was coming, nobody stopped it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Well, I mean how many times has that come out too? Though,
that there were all these different warning signs and everybody
was like, yeah, no, no, don't worry about it. And
then it turns out that one of the I mean,
even with nine to eleven in this day, there's all
these different I mean, or even Pearl Harbor for that matter,
there's an entire consphere the theory that we let Pearl
get hit on purpose to rally the American troops that well,

(01:45:06):
not we, but that military leadership did. So I mean,
we may actually have to do a return on that
one at some point too, because I know we've touched
on that one before with something else, but that would
be a fun one to go back to again. But
now I just I don't know it again. I just
feel like everything comes back to government involvement here because

(01:45:29):
I mean, think about what Thatcher was able to do
once this guy was basically taken out almost it basically
became a wet dream for everybody because the US was
able to use as an excuse to to do all
kinds of things to also even kind of put back
in good graces with Britain because well, now we obviously

(01:45:50):
can't support these basters because they supposedly yield this guy.
Blah blah blah. I don't know, it's just.

Speaker 10 (01:45:56):
Well, at another angle, I mean, this is going deep down,
deep down the rabbit hole. There were room this is why,
you know. But there were rumors that he was allegedly
working behind the scenes on constitutional reform of the British
government within the monarchy, exploring options to give Charles more
public presence and preparation for the throne. Because if you remember,

(01:46:16):
before Elizabeth died, the only time you ever really saw
Prince Charles was at his weddings. True enough, you knew
more about his kids, especially as they were Die's kids,
but still you knew more about his kids, and you
knew more about Princess Diana than you ever heard of him,
which kind of lends to the theory that he is

(01:46:38):
just a fucking moron. But yeah, so it's kind of
like he was never allowed to have the public presence
to prepare him for being king of course in nineteen
seventy nine. And who knew that, you know, Queen Elizabeth
would hang on another fifty years almost.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
I'm pretty sure she knew it on us. Yeah, because
apparently King Charles's health is not so great either.

Speaker 10 (01:47:06):
So no, you got the royal disease in there a
little bit, I think too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Well, yeah, but that's that whole got to keep the
blove line pure crap.

Speaker 10 (01:47:15):
Yeah yeah, So I mean there you have it. Everybody.
You know, it seems like everybody had steak in that,
at least in the UK and Ireland, had steaken that
to make this happen, except for the people who wanted peace.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
So what do you think, gosh IRA or intelligence hit.

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
Oh no, absolutely, the IRA was involved. Oh and I
just did found in my nose too. It was a
fifty pound explosive. Fifty pounds of explosives took out that boat.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
That's a lot of explosives for a boat, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:47:59):
They're British. I don't know how howbody stone that is,
but I'm sure somebody will google that and let us
know in the chat. No, it was absolutely the IRA
did it. It's everybody. It's the fact that everybody else
let it happen.

Speaker 12 (01:48:13):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:48:13):
It's like I always joke about dancing in the streets
with Mick Jagger and David Bowie. That happened to America
and we let that happen. Same thing, m I five
let it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
It's most likely because it changed the trajectory of everything again,
kind of like all the rest of these things, if
in one way or the other, changed the shape of
the political landscape. So very interesting how that always happens.
And it's weird how much I don't know. It's one
of those hindsight being twenty twenty things. I guess because
now we can look at all this stuff, like with Patton,

(01:48:52):
you know, realizing how hardline he was against Russia and
how he wasn't wrong. I think that's that's the scariest
part for me, is realizing that, you know, I mean,
I don't know how things would have turned out if
we hit and I know why the US was trying
not to think about this. This was forty five, forty six,

(01:49:14):
This wasn't that long from long removed from World War Two,
and he's basically rattling sabers to start World War three
and they're like.

Speaker 10 (01:49:23):
All there, right, you know, And that was a strike
while the iron is hot thing because the Soviets didn't
get the nukes and didn't get atomic weapons until forty nine.
So true, So I would have bet, yeah, you never
get into a war in Rush in the winner.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
So but I mean, we could have just dropped the
sum on them a couple of times like we did
Japan though, right, I was saying, and yes, I know
how flip it that sounds. Don't email me, don't hit me.

Speaker 10 (01:49:56):
But yeah, like I said, like I said at the
top of the show too, is that I mean Russia
was entirely dependent upon our I mean everything from tanks,
detractors they were getting from us. So that I mean,
I'm not don't ever assume Russia is going to be
an easy role, but it would have been easier than
you know. Plus they had just had what when did

(01:50:19):
when did uh?

Speaker 12 (01:50:22):
What was it?

Speaker 10 (01:50:23):
Forty thirty nine forty and the Bolshevik Revolution and that
was in nineteen seventeen. No, when there was thirty nine
forty when uh the written boy pack. So yeah, Jeff said,
if they were real with they aren't.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
So yeah. Well I gotta say it's it's it's been
a hell of a ride the night. We've kind of
been all over the place.

Speaker 10 (01:50:52):
I've been dying for the two in a row. That yeah,
three in a row because we did Mendel effects, so
they got you get to pick the next one. I
got three in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
I thought, I hope picked the last one. Maybe I didn't.
I don't remember, but no, I'll figure it out. I
got two weeks now, so I got time.

Speaker 10 (01:51:12):
At least two.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
I don't don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:51:15):
Jinxing your jinks don't do it cool, excellent show. Thanks
everyone for joining us. This was a lot of fun,
and I'm glad you joined us on this journey.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
It's been a lot of fun. I mean, there's the
fun the fun thing for me, and AI's made this
a lot easier because once you started sending me some notes,
I started specifically making AI look for newer references to
the same stuff, and I didn't realize how much new
stuff there was. It actually took me a couple hours
today to coordinate everything well enough for me to have

(01:51:51):
kind of a bullet point kind of thing going on,
because I was like, oh wait, we left this one out.
Do that again. I think I think Rock was cussing
me by the end of like hour or too. Can
you make up your mind, motherfucker I had.

Speaker 10 (01:52:05):
I had to fight with Groc so hard just to
get you know, the patent stuff together. I just fucking
went over to GPT for the my research on the
other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Are you still using like the full one or are
you back to the phone Yeah, that's guarantee it go
back to the phone one.

Speaker 10 (01:52:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
I don't have near I don't have near the issues
that you have when you use super Groc. But then again,
I'm not sure which one of us uses Grock more,
and Croc is one of those creatures that kind of
learns as you go, so I don't have to smack
it around nearly as much as I used.

Speaker 10 (01:52:40):
I use Groc a lot, and that's just the thing.
And that's I mean, I even I set up one
chat in Groc just to give it a personality that
all the other chats are the reference.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
So yeah, I think your personality quirks are leaking into
the rest of groc because now it talks to me
like that too, and I'm like, I don't stop it.

Speaker 10 (01:53:04):
The next chill Vibe might swear Yeah, it's like out
of nowhere. You know, if if if your rock started
using yo and then suddenly stops, then that's absolutely because
I had to beat mine up to get it to
stop saying yo.

Speaker 8 (01:53:21):
Dog.

Speaker 10 (01:53:22):
I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Yeah, it was bad about that for about a week
or so, and I'm like, dude, I'm white.

Speaker 10 (01:53:32):
Stop with the YO. I just I've always hated that
word yo.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
The only time I ever thought it was fun.

Speaker 11 (01:53:44):
Was that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
The only time I ever thought it was funny was
in Short Circuit, and that's only because the robot was
trying to quote John Wayne.

Speaker 10 (01:53:50):
Anyway, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
That was funny, but yeah, the way everybody else uses it.

Speaker 10 (01:53:58):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
I gotta get better with Canva, though stocks like cheach well, yeah,
ask it when the last time it sparked up was se.

Speaker 10 (01:54:10):
What it tells you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
I've got to start figuring out how to get better
with Canva because now it's trying to give me prompts
on how to make visualizations. And cans canvas stuff for
the show. Like, there was two or three times when
it was like you could do this graphic, you could
use canva, and I'm like, I don't know, no, but
I'm thinking if I can start mapping things out early

(01:54:33):
and earlier enough, that could be fun. Started to do
like visual linked and stuff too.

Speaker 10 (01:54:39):
Jeff says, GPT started calling him captain because all the
alt acs stuff he does.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
For yeah, you and the cat and make it happen.

Speaker 10 (01:54:52):
So one of the things that you like about GPT
is that in the main settings, at least in the
paid version, because I have the paid version of that too,
in the main settings, you can set up all the
personality traits there rather than having like one that's referenced
by the other chats and GROC, you can you set
it all up in your main settings.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
So nice.

Speaker 10 (01:55:12):
Yeah. So the thing with GPT is it's the opposite
of a I've caught it lying too, but it's the
opposite of GROC in that it won't go on the
Internet until you specifically tell it to you, and you
have to hit a button to give it Internet access,
so it'll just start pulling stuff out of its ass too.
If you get two in the weeds and you forget

(01:55:35):
to tell it to go on, go look on the internet,
so it'll start making stuff up too. Not as bad
as Grok does.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
But well, I mean, if you think about it in
the grand scheme of things with I mean, how long
has has groc been around? Now? We're on like what
iteration three? So if you if you figure the usual
six month timeframe for evolution of electronics, these things are
just now starting to hit the teenage years, so this
should get fun.

Speaker 10 (01:56:04):
Yeah, unruly teenagers, fantastic. So show yeah, how you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Look for me? It's a trap. You can find me
Tomorrow night pushing buttons for Corn's Reading Room, hosted by
none other than Koren Imick, which just launched for us
last week. We have another episode of that coming up
tomorrow night at seven pm Eastern, and then we'll hand
things over to the other Sunday night, folks. I know
Jess got some cool things in the works for his

(01:56:38):
show tomorrow night. Then I think Ali is on Tomorrow night.
I think I haven't seen an official announcement before yet,
so we're gonna go with that he is for now,
and then I am off other than that for Tomorrow night,
and I will be off Monday during the day because
my granddaughter has an awards ceremony kind of awards ceremony
slash pre K track and field thing and on on Monday,

(01:57:00):
so I'll be at the school for most of the day.
I should be back in time to do a rails.
I'm trying to decide if I'm gonna do one or
not this Monday, because I already have to do one
on Wednesday because it's the off week for inquiry. I'm like,
do I really want to do two rails this week?
But I might because there's been some There's been a
lot of things I've been having to leave on the
table for the Daily so I may actually do some

(01:57:21):
cleanup on Monday night for that. Other than that, you
can find me doing the Daily Show for now Tuesday
through Friday between the hours of noon to three. That
may actually be changing when we get into the summer months.
Probably if it does change, I'll make an announcement towards
the end of May because that's when my granddather gets
out of school. I'm gonna try to rearrange my schedule
a little more so we can start doing some fun

(01:57:42):
stuff during the day instead of me always being chained
in my desk. You can also find me at right
Aby seventy three. You can follow along with a network
at KLARM Radio and Tuesday Night of course you can
catch me on Manorama and then Wednesday night producing for
all of that stuff. Just easiest thing to do right
now is just go to check the Kalin radio dot
com schedule, because if I have to tell you everything

(01:58:02):
I do, we'll be here all night. Other than that,
I write for tweet You dot com, Misfits Politics dot com,
the Loftiest Party dot com, and I also produce the
Lofts Party podcast. How about you? I'm a Shwhere can
folks find you when you're not.

Speaker 10 (01:58:14):
Buying well shit? You can find me. You can find
me on Twitter as ordinance packard. Still, thank god, you
can find me Tuesday Night on Manorama with you and Vincent,
Charles and Steve rank Er, Steve and probably some random Canadian.
Uh they're usually on with us. That's on Caleran Radio

(01:58:35):
right here on x Calenradio dot com, Rumble and YouTube,
just like you can find all of our shows on
Rumble and YouTube or most of them. Uh, Wednesday Night,
I've got toxic masculinity with you with Aggie, with g
and Andrew. Then later on Wednesday night, I'm get back
with you again on Rick and already Thursday, I've got

(01:58:55):
Culture Shift with Brad Slager the Great Hair, and next Sunday,
apparently we are my God doing the Russian Hobbit as
they follow up to the Russian Lord of the Rings
we did a few weeks ago on the Vincent Charles Project.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
So you guys are not only are you doing the
Russian versions, but you've done them out of order. What
the hell's wrong with you?

Speaker 10 (01:59:18):
Well, Peter Jackson released them out of order.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Just kitting, just kidding.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
So yeah, so that's where you can find me. And
then yeah, that's it for now.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
You did mention culture shifts, right, Yeah you did because
I heard yeah, okay, yeah, I forgot I heard I
When I rewind rewind the tape. In my head, I
was like, wait, he mentioned Brad with a good hair,
So we had to be talking about Culture Shift. All right, folks,
we are gonna get out of here. I want to
thank everybody for taking that. I'm to hang out with
us tonight. Over thirteen hundred of you, some of you

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were just joining us, which makes me sad because you
just tuned in in time for us to say goodbye,
but thank you for tuning in any way. The replay
will be up on X and start over here in
just a moment if you want to check it out
since you're just joining us, and the archived audio versions
will be up in a few minutes system as I
cut them and put them in the right places. Then
I'm going to bed, so bye everybody. Thanks for hanging

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out with us. El Hydra no hailing of the Hydra.
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