juxtaposition -- 08-23-25 Everything We Know Is A Lie

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Speaker 1 (03:45):
It is Saturday night, which means it's time for juxtaposition.
And Andrew, is that a typo or did you just
turn it into a verb, because I'm kind of thinking
you just turned it into a verb. Anyway, So we're here,
we're live. It's juxtaposition. Also, I could and grab the
thing Vincent sent me because it's in Twitter and I
can't download it, so I to get it from him. Later,

(04:06):
I tried to use it. I couldn't make it work anyway, So.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'll do my best events and Charles impersonation. Previously on juxtaposition.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I was really gonna run with that, and then I
couldn't make it work and I was like, there's no
way to time it because I can't download it. But anyway,
so we're here, we're live, and we we're breaking a rule.
We're doing math on Saturdays.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, it's yeah. Usually math is reserved for in the
Crease or The Lost Wanderer Jeff shows on Sunday. But
we can't get out of math on this topic. So
we're preparing you. There's going to be maths and the
worst do the maths.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
The worst parties. I hate the maths, and it was
my idea to do this topic that's you know this.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
You know what's really strange is that this was one
of those topics that when we all used to be
on the same night and Alan Jeff, we would frequently
have a theme that ran through all of our shows
that we never ever talked, you know, we never prediscussed.
It just kind of worked out that way, and this

(05:13):
is one of those things that So Jeff has been
prepping his in Thecrease months in advance, and he recently
did his show sixty seven to sixty eight, which touch
on the topics of what we're talking about tonight. How
you got the idea for doing the show was a
couple of videos I sent you and Nemic based off

(05:34):
of a comment he had made on one of his
shows about string theory in the Akashik field. So it's
just kind of like this whole stream of consciousness running
through the three of the four of us on this
topic to where they're all bunched in within month.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, it would have been even weirder, but we may actually,
I don't know if we're going to be able to
find time to pre record tomorrow. We're going to have
to postpone. He's had a family thing come up, so
other guy, it maybe would have made it even weirder
because we were actually starting on a book regarding the
ecasic field tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Yeah, so synergy everywhere.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But yeah, so the premise for tonight is everything that
you think you know about reality is a lie. Just
so you know, not to not to freak you out
or anything, but welcome to the club, because yeah, it's
all a lot.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, and just goes with everything from matter, reality, time,
all of it isn't Science is starting to show that
how we understand it isn't really true, at least the
way we understand it. And by starting too, I'm saying
this is fringe ideas from one hundred years ago that

(06:49):
have become mainstream now.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah. The well, the weirdest thing is with the time stuff.
You go back and you watch the original quantum Leap
kind of how they're talking about time and quantum leap
pretty much what they're figuring out there's actually a thing
that everything's all kind of tabled together and happening at
the same time. But we'll get into that in more
detailed leaders Well.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
And it's like you know, and you know, some conversations
I had had with GPT regarding this topic. A lot
of the stuff that we were covering on I remember
from episodes of like SG One Drink and other sci
fi shows from like two thousand. But this is just
starting to become main I mean in the general conscious,

(07:30):
you know, knowledge of how science is working. Like I said,
some of these theories are over one hundred years old,
but it's starting to become mainstream and culture. So it's
just weird that you know, you're, we're I'm you know,
we're researching stuff for this, and I'm like, yeah, I
saw that twenty years ago on a stargate, you know
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
So well, this ties into that whole lacastic field thing
because was it was it because somebody was tapping into
something that they weren't really realizing thing they were tapping into,
and that they were kind of getting some cheat codes
ahead of time. Because it kind of feels that way.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah, it really does.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
But yeah, so, uh, just to kind of give you
a bit of a premier as far as the time stuff,
every culture assumes time is linear second stacking into minutes,
minutes into hours, hours into days, days into months, months
into years, and on and on and on. Marching towards
a future that hasn't happened yet, but according to some

(08:29):
modern physics, and that may not be the case. So
they've actually been systematically dismantling this idea piece by piece.
So instead of a river I'm always flowing forward, time
may actually move kind of maybe it actually may not
move at all. It's more like a frozen landscape, so
you know all those Maybe that's why alcor was sowored

(08:51):
that that throes on ice caps we're going to go.
Maybe we were talking about the ice capsure home, so
basically we move across them instead of instead of us
you know, it moving, it marching forwards. So past president
future could also all coexist.

Speaker 11 (09:08):
At the same time, which would mean which would mean
some weird things if you think about it for a second,
because if all of time is happening all at once,
could that mean the decisions that you've.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Made in you haven't made yet have already impacted your morning.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah. The idea, the the idea is that with time
excuse me, wow, that came out of norr uh time
being three dimensional. Is that as much as the past
informs the future, the future important informs the past. And
you're like, well, great, that's two directions. The third direction
is the choice is not made branching off into other

(09:50):
time streams. Now kind of the way this works is
you know what, that's pretty compete. We'll get into that later.
It's too much to start the show with.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
All right, so where you going to go first?

Speaker 10 (10:04):
Then?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Since you since you already detoured this once.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
No, I didn't detail you. No, we'll just we'll just
keep on. So basically all this starts with the late
physicist John Archbold Wheeler, and he captured this the whole
shift in the way we think about things with the
simple phrase it from bit now to Wheeler, everything physical particles, energy, space,
time ultimately arises from an immaterial yes or noah?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Bit you know, on or off? And does that make
that makes reality? Binary? Doesn't it on or all?

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah? And yeah it does, and that that's that's another
segment later too. But yeah, no, it definitely. Uh Okay,
So this is where the whole simulation theory it kind
of gets all of this gets flattened down into that.
But the argument is actually a lot broader than and
a lot older than simulation theory. But I mean not

(11:02):
that we're literally in a machine, but physics behaves as
if we are and at the quantum level, events don't
resolve until they're observed, and the results look like outputs
with no natural inevitabilities. Scientists increased, we talk in the
term of pixels and bits and set of atoms and waves,
and the metaphors have become hardened into the conversation.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm sorry, no, well, just to put this whole quantum
physic physics thing where events don't actually uh formalize until
they're until they're until they're observed, this I just think
Schrotener's cat. So the entire quantum realm is basically in
Schroeders Shortener's cat phase until somebody opens the box. Trying

(11:45):
to make it as easy to understand as possible.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Right, Yeah, if you're familiar with you know that theory
is that you put a cat in a box with
an isotope and anyway, Yeah, so the instance the poisonous
release and another it isn't and until you open the box,
the cat is both alive and dead until you put
your impression on it. And you know, when you open

(12:12):
the box, either the cat's dead or it's alive, and
it's pissed off because it's in a box. They like
to go into the boxes, so their own volition not
to be put in one anyway.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So yeah, oh but yeah, So to go into this
in a little bit more detail, one of the biggest
suppositions is that reality is in fact not matter, but language,
not any type of substance, but more information again ones
and zeros. If that's true, then time is in the
law of the universe at all. It's a construct of

(12:41):
how the underlying informational program runs. And the interesting thing
in doing research about this, and this is coming from
a science nerd, I never really understood until I started
researching this that we don't actually know the actual speed
of light. We have we have surmised it, we don't

(13:01):
actually have an exact measurement for it, which makes the
which makes that sends even more It just poignant because
you know, it's all about information and it's time. How
can we make and see time as a law when
we don't even really understand how that lull would operate
Since we're guestimating the speed of light to begin with, Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Mean it's pretty accurate and it behaves the same way.
But as we get in further into this and you
know what the structure of the universe really is, then
the cosmological constant isn't that constant? So but yeah, and
you know it's it's the idea of the block universe,

(13:45):
where again everything is in you know, bits and blocks.
And you know this is it's implied by relatively Einstein
himself called time and illusion, but a stubbornly persistent one
in relativity all space. Time is laid out at once,
your birth, your death, in every second and between. Coexists
on the same fourth dimensional slab. Consciousness simply traces its

(14:08):
path across it. And you know, the universe doesn't unfold,
It already exists completely waiting for our awareness to move
across it.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
The odd thing is that entire paragraph just kind of
lines out with a bunch of stuff that they make
and I have been talking about on this show. Yeah,
but so to science this up a bit more, you know,
I'm sure we're already starting and people are like, dude,
we need more booze for this show, y'all aren't usually
this science? But yeah, so you still have time go

(14:39):
make a drink. So quantum mechanics actually complicates this picture
even more. Experiments continue to success cracks in times Arrow.
A twenty twenty five Physical Review Letter study of delayed
choice experiments showed that decisions made in the present can
alter the outcome of events in the past retroactively. So

(15:02):
think butterfly effect but in reverse. The idea that the
future can influence the past is no longer just speculative philosophy.
It is actually starting to show up in data. And
I don't mean the game.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Right, And this is one Jeff did a deep dive
in a few weeks ago in the crease and it's yeah,
it's in these experiments. Photons and atoms are sent through
setups like the famous double slid experiments, where researchers then choose,
you know, at the very last instant, how to measure them,
and then the particles prior behavior aligned with the future choice.

(15:41):
So it's like the outcome ripples backward. It's rewriting the
history to remain consistent and you know, persistent, and the
line between cause and effects starts to blur, which is
kind of implying that we no longer live in a
universe of causality.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Or that well, I don't necessarily, I don't agree with that.
Not necessarily we don't live in a universe of causality,
but in effect, we are the missing variable that creates
the causality because it doesn't really know what to do
until we tell it what to do. But okay, it's
kind of weird when you think about it, because that's

(16:19):
actually that's actually what that what that whole thing is
trying to say is, you know, based on each time
they ran this experiment, they would choose a different path
for these particles, and the particle would alter its behavior
from from before based on whatever choice they were they
were making. So in reality, this is getting into some

(16:42):
muhu stuff and I'm gonna try to stay out of
as much as possible. But in reality, what this is
saying is we seem to be shaping our reality with
our minds and with our observations of our very own reality.
That I may need a drink before this show's over, right.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
You see, when you model this in math, these dynamics,
it no longer has time on a flat slab, and
it's more like a fiber bunch. Is what's called the
fiber bundle theory that suggests that time maybe more like
braided like threads in a rope rather than a straight line,
and the strands can loop, overlap, reconnect and to a

(17:22):
consciousness moving through this weave, the result feels like deja vu,
temporal glitches, even prophetic flashes. Uh, you know, a loop
grazed twice could be experienced twice. And this kind of,
you know, if you want to go back into Greek mythology,
this was you know, the weaving of the tapestry by

(17:42):
the fates. You know, if everybody's timeline is a thread
with loops and little you know, little imperfections that you
know in phrase in the strand then the whole tapestry
of you know, the universe that kind of goes back

(18:03):
into the age. We're getting getting a little who there?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So I wondered that was gonna have it.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, And you know the line between you know, is
you're going to hear through the course tonight, the line
between quantum mechanics and mysticism is starting to get really blurred.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's it's it's a very thin line now. So so
but this whole, this whole concept would cast deja vu
in a completely different light. So rather than some sort
of neurological hiccup or his his neo putt it a
glitch in the matrix. It could in fact be the
mind brushing up against a nearby loup pre playing the

(18:45):
same moment twice. Premonitions which I'm guilty of having, if
I'm gonna be honest, might also be similar glimpses of
frames slightly ahead in the real experience before their proper order.
These interpretations kind of sound a little wild and maybe
just a little bit woo who, like, what are you
talking about? But they've flown naturally from a physics where

(19:07):
cause and effect are no longer one way, yeah, and in.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
A consciousness as the other half of the story. If
the universe is information, then the awareness and decoding awareness
is a decoding engine for it, collapsing all probability into
a lived reality. Our sense of you know, what's a
linear might simply just be the way that the brain
processes and all at once cosmos, you know, managing the
thin little slices, you know, tiny little bites for us

(19:36):
to deal with, you know, And consciousness takes this frozen
block and feeds it to us one frame at a time,
and the frame being we'll talk about the real that
later too, just in a tiny, little infinite cell, you know,
informational cells for us to process, helping us build the
narrative of past, present, and future when actually none of

(19:58):
them exist.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
That's a little scary. So hints of this, however, do
show up in theories of pixelated reality. In twenty twenty four,
new scientists covered research using quasars cosmic probes which suggested
space time may be discrete rather than smooth. Physical review

(20:20):
de added evidence from Casmiri effects testing to show texture
in the vacuum itself, as if empty space is stitched
from finite informational cells. If space is quantity, quantized time
must be two divided into frames instead of flowing continuously.

(20:42):
There's a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean this is why the analogy of the
video game always seems to fit and resonate, because if
reality is pixels and then glitches and repetitions are inevitable
dejavou or what we've talked about on this network. I
think Mickey Blowtorch coined the phrase the GTA effect. When
you steal a car in GT then you start to
see that car everywhere because it's limiting the process's power

(21:05):
needed to constantly draw a whole bunch of new vehicles,
just like when you buy a new car that you
haven't seen before. You and I both experienced just with
you know, buying new cars. In the last few years,
I didn't see a single one on the road. Now
I know like five or six of them in my
small town, you know. So yeah, it's just kind of like,
you know.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, even for me, it wasn't necessarily that I hadn't
seen the single one, because I mean, I drive a
very common car, it's a Kia Soul. But I will
say that I'm seeing even in the small town I
live in, we're seeing them more and more. Like it
was funny because the other day we were going to
Walmart and we were pulling through the parking lot and
Gracie yells out, hey, Papa, why is your car over there?
The car looked exactly like mine, same color and everything.

(21:47):
And I do have a kind of a unique colored
car because it was something they especially mixed up for
twenty twenty one. So that so, yeah, that that happens
a lot. Like There's been times I've come out and
there'll be almost the exact same car, just slightly different color,
parked in front of us, where it wasn't there before,
So yeah, I see them all over the place now,
so yeah, that gga thing that's kind of real. But

(22:12):
so anyway, So the disturbing implication in this is the
causality itself may not be fundamental, which throws a lot
of the rules out the window that we've kind of
built for ourselves. If you think about it, cause and
effect might actually be local fictions, useful for daily life,
but not anchored in the deeper code. What actually matters
may be consistency, not sequenced. The universe ensures coherence of events,

(22:36):
but not necessarily in the order that we expect, which
goes back that whole thing of you know, them be
making a decision and particles in the particle acts differently
based on the decisions that they've made.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
M Well, see what Okay, So the sweet experiment, See
what we're getting into here is you know, nondeterminations of
where if everything's determined, then we're just passengers along for
the ride, and that just SAPs out free will. But
in this and this is where I'm gonna have to
break into the time, you know, bi directional nature of time,

(23:11):
in that the past informs the future and the future
informs the past. There's an infinite number of pasts and
an infinite number of futures. When we make a decision,
we collapse down the probabilities. But what's also to one.
But what had already happened is the future informing the past.
The future had already collapsed down all the infinite pasts

(23:36):
to the choices you could make. That's still as sure
that that future comes to be. And I got into
a deep conversation with GPT about this and the nature
of bi directionalism and you know, underlying consciousness of the
universe anyway. But yeah, so in the by direction, both
of them are helping our informing each other to collapse

(23:58):
down to the choice you made, where you still made
that choice, but it's not a choice you could have
made that would have destroyed the fabric of the universe. Yet,
so well that's where that's where it gets a little
it starts. And then, like I said, with the three
dimensional space, that's going into the other choices you could
have made, the other observations you could have made, And

(24:23):
that's where you start to get in your little bumpiness
of deja vu and precognition and everything else, because based
off of timing in another timeline, you could have made
that decision a microsecond later, and then that's why you
got the days of you of making that decision, or
any number of variables that could have caused any of that.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, which means in another timeline, there's a version of
me still married to my first ex wife. Let's not
think about that, though.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Boggles the mind, don't it.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
But no, I mean, so this whole thing, though, this
whole you know, because this has been a question for
as long as man has been able to think, is
this whole idea of of you know, predestination, is there
is their free will? Are we running some sort of
is life just some sort of script of predetermined choices?
But this takes it to a whole new level in
my opinion, because not only are we getting to the

(25:13):
realm of understanding that we do in fact have free
will as far as the choices that we make, but
we're talking about, in some cases, even in small ways,
the choices that we make actually shape the universe around us.
So that's that's like super that's like super saying free will.
I'm just saying that's that's a little wreak. That's a
little Freakingiki.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
See what's funny is that our experience and a grap
on time is already becoming like it was already unstable.
You know, it was already a construct that we've kind
of had to shoehorn into our experiences, and physics is
starting to validate the instability of it all. And you know,
the reality is that if time is a loop, then

(25:57):
the great lie is linearity, and our calendars, our clocks,
and our sense of aging are all really just based
on a lie. And the truth is just too strange
for our perception to grasp a pod.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
So the next time, the next time, next time your
boss can complains that you're late, just reminding them that
time is a loop and there's no such thing as lateness.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly. So See, yeah, this
is what what what physics calls an illusion maybe the
most intimate truth we live with all day.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, it's it's just it's just it's enough to mess
with your head when you really start to think about
you know, we put all this importance on this thing
called time that we've made into this end all and
be all of everything because with with the way that
we've built our life around time, and you see this
all the time, even in saying it. You know, life

(26:55):
isn't about the start date and the end date. It's
about what you do in the dash between, in between
with the dash on your tombstone. So we have made
all of this so important, and we're just now really
starting to understand that. While it is an important thing, yes,
so it's more kind of you know, we're making it

(27:15):
that way.

Speaker 12 (27:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I'm still trying to wrap my head around some of this.
And I'll admit I've been researching this for like a
week and a half and I'm still there's just times
when I'm just in here trying to go through it
all in my mind is like I cannot keep up.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
It's okay, but I've been I mean those videos I
sent you on emergence theory, I've been beating my brain
against that for a year. And while I get it
and I can conceptually understand three dimensional time verbalizing, it
is hard.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's not easy. Oh it's not easy at all. Oh man,
I can't. We're already already up to almost that flew.
I'm still to hang on. I'm trying to figure out
how to get into the file. But I know what it.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
So, y'all still with us out there we lose you.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
They're all like, dude, we like to nove forever.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
It's gonna it's gonna get weirder. It gets weirder.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, this is only the beginning, guys. It gets weirder
from here. I think I got it figured out now,
all right, we'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Hang on.

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This isn't work for death'll just just enjoy.

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Speaker 1 (32:50):
That I'm not gonna lie. I kind of want to

(33:29):
listen to that again all right.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
You know, we can just scare a second half the
run it again. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna run it again because you
have that out.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Everybody's heard Ladder Alys. It's ten minutes long, so we
don't need to go into it one night. Jeff, when
you and I were talking about this the other day,
when I mentioned I was picking up Debbie harry influence
in it, I didn't mean from Blondie. I meant from
Rock and Rule. And for those of you who haven't
seen that Canadian cartoon that's the dysopian future thing that
has a E pop and Cheap Trick and Debbie Harry,
it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Go check it out. Dude. All I know is that
Jeff is Jeff is my spirit animal when it comes
to music because I love metal and everything he puts out.
Lately he's been slapping, so I like it. I love it.
Oh all right, So anyway back to what we were
talking about, because the interesting thing about all of this, though,
with everything that we covered in the first block, is

(34:21):
this science is finally seeming to catch up to things
that the ancient humans seem to have understood for a
long time.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Because yeah, you're gonna through this, You're gonna be picking
up a lot of stuff. It's like that sounds like
Eastern mysticism, or you know, that sounds like you know, gnostic,
that sounds and these were like and you know, I
mean a lot of this too. I mean it's you know,
some of it's even platonic. So when you're gonna be
listening to is cut that sounds like Plato or you

(34:51):
know that sounds like you know, anyway, if you're familiar
with any mysticism on any level, you're going to start
to hear elements of that in the things we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's just funny to think about because I mean, there's
there's like hints of Hinduism tied into all this stuff,
Buddhism stuff, especially with reality being treated as more of
an illusion and time being a cycle. That's the that's
the entire Buddhist existence is the time is just an
endlessly looping cycle. So just the idea that it seems
like our modern science that you know, has always been

(35:26):
we've always been so much smarter than anybody with any
type of a faith because our science proves everything. Seems
like they were ahead of us in a lot of ways.
That just again, that's just seems weird to me.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
And the one thing it's you know, quantum physics has
always been the troublemaker in the neat story of reality.
It introduces uncertainty, paradoxes, and strange rules where even just
intuition break down. And the one thing that it reinforces.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Though and.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Everything, even though it's everything we're going to talk about tonight,
sounds like it doesn't. The very nature of it. The
core idea of quantum physics is nondeterminism, and I talked
about that briefly, that it's not set in stone. It
is probabilistic. And you know, it's not that your reality
is not revealed, it's that it's chosen.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
So question for the chat while we're moving along here,
because you know, if you guys are starting to figure
out and figure it out what we're talking about. As
far as this stuff, these aren't just abstracts because a
lot of people have experienced moments that seem to break
the rules, such a sense of repeating a day, glimpses
of the future, uncanny synchronicities which we talk about all
the time. Whether science ever proves loops or not. So

(36:54):
my question to you guys is we've talked about some
of the ones we've had here kind of working together
with a large crew. So if you guys ever experienced
any moments where you're like, I feel like I've lived
this moment before that that kind of stuff. And no,
I don't just been clocking into the same job every day, Andrew,
I could. I could feel that one coming. Yeah, But
as we get ready to move into the next segment,

(37:15):
if reality is information and time is a loop, then
the great lie that we've been talking about for this
segment is linearity. Is that even a word? I guess
it is, just I felt like I made one up
for a second. There. Our calendars are clocks, even our
sense of aging. I'm gonna lean heavily on that last part,
since I just turned fifty two. Are scaffolds built to

(37:37):
make sense of reality too strange to hold in bare perception.
What physics calls illusion may be the most intimate truth
we live with daily. But yeah, that's yeah, I'm I'm
gonna aging is an illusion. That's my that's my new mantra.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
There you go, or I've been leaning into the gray
and the beard you can, you can fight it off.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh no, while I'm still embracing the gray because that's
the only way people can see my beard because I
had blonde hair in all the places that are gray
in my beard before, so it looked like I had
tough because I had really fine blonde hairs. Now they've
turned grace and you can see my beard.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah. So, I mean, you know, drop drop your DejaVu
or stories, either drop them in the chat or listening later.
We got show links that we've dropped for the network,
and you know on Rick's feed, go ahead and reply
on those, you know, we'd love to hear it.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Or you can even just add us here and just
hashtag jugs, you know, and just say that this is
what I have something. It's cool. However, however, you going
to interact with us that's often or awesome. Often I
think I just had a good hat.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Well, obvious, it's the topic, so I brought I brought
it up in the last segment, and again it's just
to reinforce that the universe is probabilistic. I'm going to
talk again about the double split experiment. If you fire,
let me expel it really quick. If you fire, particles
or photons at two slits. You know, like say you
got a flat wall behind it and then you got

(39:06):
a wall in front of it that has two slits.
Anybody who doesn't know the two slit experiment, what were
you paying attention to in high school?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Anyway?

Speaker 5 (39:14):
So what you'll do is you'll get this interference pattern
where you'll have like two waves crossing against it, you know,
between the two slits, you'll have the two waves you know, intersecting.
But the moment that it's observed, then all of a sudden,
you've just got a straight you know, target point through
one of the slits. And you know, this isn't like

(39:36):
scientific theory. It has been repeated thousands of times with particles,
you know. The original experiment was with a light. They've
even done it with objects as you know. Mit lot
just this year did it with experimenting with single atoms,
and shit shows the interference pattern vanishing, as you know,
completely as one path is recorded. So it really seems

(40:00):
to hinge on whether reality, seems to hinge on whether
information is available and not just on the physical process itself.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, so I have to I have to take a moment,
Sam very proud of you was that you were able
to say double split four times and never made a
circle kate joke. I'm proud of you.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
See now, if I had said double hole, it would
have been giggy over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So if is it just me or does this make
the universe feel rather participatory? So if observation defines outcome,
then reality does not pre exist in definite form. It's
a field of possibilities collapsing into facts when engaged. That
collapse is what opens the door to free will. We

(40:47):
are not passive observers of a scripted movie reel. Our
attention and choices helps select what frame gets projected that
So the weirdest thing about that parent that that that
whole thing we as went over is again this with
with the book the Corn and I have been talking about,
the one that we're about to go into. This is

(41:09):
kind of the very thing that we've been talking about,
is that we're kind of offshoots of the universe, and
we're here to help the universe better understand itself. So
the fact that it's kind of waiting for us to
see things and decide what we want to do with
it before it decides what happens next that So that's yeah,
I think I just fritened my brain. I think I

(41:30):
may have just friedened my brain.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Yeah, you know. Physicist John Wheeler speculated that the universe
is actually self excited, that observers looking back at the
cosmos are actually part of its construction, and Frank Wilsey
has also echoed that view and observations to create you know,
creates informational reality, and research into consciousness itself is increasingly

(41:57):
trying to connect to these dots.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I think it's doing a pretty good job right now.
So in twenty twenty five, Science Director reported on experiments
with twin quibits designed to simulate cognition. The result entangled
quibets boosted problem solving efficiency by twenty six percent. That
sounds like a computer science result, but the researchers openly

(42:23):
tied it to human thought. The brain may in fact
be using entanglement in microcon in microconstructures like neurons or
synapses to increase cognitive bandwidth.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Yeah. Supporting this, you know, there's been studies that found
quantum entanglement in brain microtubules, you know, the hollow protein
structures that scaffold the neurons. These findings echo an old
theory from Roger Penrose and Stuart hammerf from decades ago,

(42:58):
and the idea was dismissed as being two fringe. But
now evidence is pointing it back in that direction that
even you know, in the tiniest portions of our brain,
we are doing quantum calculations as well. You know, it
may even be woven into the mechanics of thought.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, so, just to break this down for the folks
that are listening, so if this is true, that would
mean consciousness isn't just a passive observer in all this,
It is, in fact a quantum level participant in the
construction of our reality. Observation doesn't just collapse wave functions
out there. The observer's brain is itself a quantum system,

(43:39):
possibly and most likely entangled with the universe. It perceives
in that case reality that it perceives in that case,
and then reality is not passively observed. It's not passibly observed,
it's co authored. So you know all those you know,
those manifestation commercials that everybody laughs at, right, just point that.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Out, Yeah, you know, it's the the whole you know,
thoughts become you know reality, you know. I mean the
pushback on this is that quantum mechanics, when it's scaled
up to neuron level, gets really messy, and you know,
decoherence usually wipes out the entanglement at biological temperatures, but

(44:25):
researchers keep finding ways around this. It's like birds appear
to use quantum effects to navigate, you know, the Earth's
magnetic field, uh, photosynthesis and plants shows quantum level efficiency
beyond what classic models predict. It's like the universe. It's
like life itself is tuned to exploit quantum loopholes, you know,

(44:45):
and if so, why not consciousness too well?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
To be fair, birds aren't real, so they're just using GPS.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
That's true in fact, so other you know what, dolphins,
humpback whales, anything with large migratory paths that aren't birds
because we know that they're just you know, clocking a route.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh, let's you have those. But there is a deeper
issue to this, and it's non determinism itself. Quantum mechanics
says the future is not written until it happens. Classical
determinism assumes that if you knew all conditions, you could
predict everything. So according to this that would be nearly impossible.

(45:26):
So the quantum r we've been discussing would actually shatter
that dream in a million pieces. You can only calculate probabilities,
not certainties. At the most fundamental level, the universe is
not predetermined. It is probabilistic. It's also kind of problematic.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah see, And this is a philosophical door is that
if the building blocks of reality aren't locked in advance,
then we aren't either. And the future is not a
fixed destination. You know, it's a it's a mess and
you know, just a a whole bunch of string of
probable outcomes collapsing into one as the choices are made.

(46:07):
You know where you're like I explained earlier with you know,
the bidirectional nature of time. You know, it may not
be an absolute, but it's you know, free will is
still embedded in the structure of the cosmos.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
All right. So this is where you know, that whole
you know and grenicity thing comes into play. So another
wrinkle in this whole idea when it comes to the
idea of quantum consciousness as a collective field is the following.
So if individual brains are in fact quantum processors, the
mass untanglement across minds could be possible. Some theorists suggests

(46:43):
and cultures also believe and shared attention might shape probability, landscapes,
on and other things on a collective scale that edges
towards mysticism. But it's not far from how quantum mechanics
already behaves. Observation changes reality. A billion observers may change
it even more so. Yes, this is this is getting

(47:05):
into the area of the Akasha field.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Just yeah, I was gonna I was gonna be If
you're not familiar with the akashak field, it's that there's
this huge I guess, the universal consciousness and we're a
part of it. And again we're getting into you know,
mysticism and you know metaphysics here. But you know, one

(47:29):
of the things about the future informing the past too,
and one of the things you know how we talked
about how on the quantum level, you know, probabilities don't
occur until they're observed. Well, this brings up the conundrum, well,
what if everybody in the universe blinked at once, would
the universe wink out of existence? And the answer to
that is probably not, because there is a consciousness that

(47:51):
is also always observing. And you can call that a god,
you can call it whatever you want, but it's it
seems to be the way that things behave. I mean,
it's just discussion.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Well, it's just astounding to me to think about this,
because this would explain so many things that we've been
struggling with, even on shows like this one, like how
in the heck are there pyramids thousands of miles away
from as far as we knew, the only place that
really ever made pyramids. So there are multiple theories with that,
and we've touched on them here and we'll be coming
back around to one of those topics probably in the

(48:27):
next few weeks with Atlantis, is that there was some
sort of a common culture, probably stemming from Atlantis that
helps shape everything. But what if it's something more akin
to this. What if there was information being shared across
thousands of miles through this network and people had similar
ideas and they weren't exactly the same because it was

(48:48):
basically just tapping into an idea that somebody else had had,
And that could also explain why there's so many differences
in the construction and everything else. But there's all these
things that we've not been able to explain, like why
we have so many similar things, like halfway across the planet.
I mean, as an example, Tesla and Edison or not.
Who who's the electric guy anyway? I think I think no, Yeah,

(49:13):
Thomas Edison stole a lot of Tesla stuff. So yeah,
but well they were also kind of even though they
were you know, at one point they were far away
from each other, and they still had similar concepts, and
Tesla just got there first, and then Edison said I'm
gonna steal.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
This well and that, and I mean it's not to
say that it wasn't it wasn't possible to do at
the time. But if you look at a lot of
the earliest mosques, they still point to Petra even before
there was a Mecca. So but they you know, they
always long before there was really good maps or GPS

(49:49):
or anything else. You in the alignment of the pyramids
and everything else. It's just kind of where did this?
You know, how could they figure this out without you know,
the technology we have now, and then we can get
it into the engine alien things, But that's not the show.
So reality has always tried to separate the mental from

(50:10):
the material. Worlds, but quantum physics seems to erase that line,
and it's fusing the subjective and the subject and the object,
so that I mean, it's not that, you know, reality
is whatever we think it is, but it means that
reality might be sensitive to being known.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, and the thing about it is, and I'm sure
we'll probably get some feedback on this, but this, this
whole idea and this whole concept makes skeptics very uncomfortable
because it kind of turns science into more of a
metaphysics where I thought itself has casual weight. So the
traditional view has always separated the material from the mental.
Quantum physics seems to erase that line using subject and object.

(50:52):
That doesn't mean reality is whatever you think. It means
reality is sensitive to being known. Yeah, I just I
don't know that whole thing. Just Yeah, anyway, we're getting
into some stuff, and what.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
It brings us to the idea is that you know,
we're choosing the lie. You know, it's that you know,
where we established earlier that time and reality may be
coded illusions. You know, we're arguing now that you know,
consciousness picks what illusion we live in, and it's not random.
It's selected, it's reinforced, and it's co created by everyone.
You know. It's it's not that all of it was written,

(51:32):
it's we're constantly editing it, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So, dear consciousness, I would like to wake up tomorrow
and be a billionaire. Thank you. See. So this interpretation
reframes everything from deja vudasynchronicity. Instead of glitches in a
fixed system, they become artifacts of choice if multiple outcomes
are possible. Sometimes the seam show little leaks where one
probability path brushes against another, what we call weird experiences,

(51:59):
maybe the bleed through of choices made across timelines.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
So yeah, yeah, and this actually, you know, this, this
refrains the old opinion about chaos. You know, is that
you know, people used to argue that chaos and randomness
are dangerous, that they removed certainty. But looking at it
through quantum mechanics is that chaos is actually freedom and
determinism is a prison where a probabilistic, probabilistic world leaves

(52:28):
room for choice and creativity and novelty. You know. And
it's not a bug, it's a feature. It's the only
thing that makes meaning possible.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Oh of course, you're going to learn, and you know,
of course you're going to lean into the idea of
the chaos is freedom? Come on, man, yeah, it is
freedom chaos. So this this causes the debate to then
become whether consciousness is merely along for the rider actively
steering the ship. Some physicists are cautious, preferring to limit
consciousness to a caps mechanism without without casual power. Others

(53:04):
inspired by these brain studies push further. If neurons use
entanglement to coordinate an observation shapes reality, then human intention
may ripple outward in ways we do not yet understand.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Yeah, I mean, think about it. It's like, have you
ever felt like your thoughts influenced events? You know, it's
like you will to coin toss or you know, felt like,
you know, the world bended to your mood, which is generally,
if you're in a ship mood you drinking to drag
everybody down with you. It's science won't declare these as
proven facts, but physics is kind of inching towards it.

(53:41):
You know that, you know, consciousness has some reality and
shaping you know, has some say in shaping reality.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
So at the very least we can say this. The
universe is apparently not prescripted. The lie is chosen and
by us, and if we are among the choosers, then
reality is far less solid than we thought. Yeah, so

(54:11):
fun too.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Yeah, Okay, Now, if all this hasn't been weird enough,
and if we haven't completely lost you, coming up after
this break, we're gonna be revealing the base code of
the universe to you.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Wait, there's more. There's more. I don't know, I don't
know if I don't know if my brain can handle anymore. Bro.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
See, now we're getting into the part of this that
this is the meat. This is the stuff I spent
a lot of time on GPT talking about.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna delve into some hidden
patterns of the universe that may actually define it all.
Just just so you know, we're gonna go ahead and
take the break now, so we can go ahead and
just get it out of the way because we're pretty
close top of the hour anyway. So my name is
Rick Robinson. This is juxtaposition. It is Saturday night. We

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we will be right back, so don't go too far.
And I just realized I did not load our usual
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The scary thing is I leave the foundation for this
and it's still blow on my mind.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
I know this was this topic was all your, This
was you, it was your idea. You did it to
yourself and breaking.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
My own brain. I mean, I don't I don't know
how I feel about that. Well, I mean, honestly, doing
the show with Korn is pretty much warping that anyway.
So this is just adding to it. All right, we're
gonna take the break. We'll be right back. There's lots
more left. So hopefully you guys aren't all like you know,
Comba toast in the chat from your brain being blown.

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Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
This and welcome back into our two of juxtaposition where

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we're doing our best to not only bend your brains
but ours. And uh, we're talking about everything that you
know is a liar more specifically, more an illusion based
on your own decision paths. So fun times, fun times.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Yeah, Now we're we're getting into the stuff that I love.
I mean, all of this has been leading into it,
but this is where I've really been deep into E
eight and emergent theory for a while now. So this
is kind of where we're getting into the Like I said, before,

(01:01:19):
we went out the base Code of the universe. You know,
there was that joke in that Doctor who you for
everybody who can't read the you know, for everyone who
can't read the base code of the universe, what are
you trying to tell us? This is kind of explaining it.
It's kind of it's if you thought we've gotten weird
up until now. It hasn't gotten weird enough for me,

(01:01:41):
But we might be there by the end, you never know. Yeah,
so yeah, go ahead, I was going to say so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
In the first two segments, we've established that reality behaves
like information and the consciousness may help choose the outcome.
The next question is obvious. What is the code itself.
If we are selecting frames from a cosmic database, what
is that database made of? Increasingly, physics and mathematics suggest
the answer. And this would suck for me because I

(01:02:11):
hate I was not good at this particular math. But
apparently the answer is geometry patterns, ratios, and symmetries that
ditch reality together. Time and matter may in fact be illusions,
but the underlying canvas seems to be shapes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Yeah, so this gets into the pixelation hypothesis, and this
is the easy way to start.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
In classical physics, spacetime is smooth. It's an unbroken continuum
and it's just you know, there's vacuum and void and
bits of matter here and there, but it's all just
kind of it's smooth. It makes sense. But when you
get down into the quantum level, a new research hints

(01:02:55):
that space and time are actually granular. And you know
this described you know how quasars used as cosmic probes,
you know, to test you know, the interference patterns across
immense distances. They've found evidence that space time it may
not be infinitely divisible, that instead it appears to be
quantitized and and pitulated at the smallest scale, and that

(01:03:18):
scales what's called a plank length. And I'm gonna get
into that in a minute. But when we were talking
about earlier, where you know, as you know, time is
you know, laid out and we just take it in
small bites as our brain can process it with the
smallest segment of time is a plank length of time.

(01:03:38):
And after that the calculations, you know, the universe doesn't
make sense anymore if you go smaller than this moment
of time called a plank length of time. The plank
length of matter or distance is the same thing where
if you try to go smaller than that, then all
of the rules of the universe break apart. So these

(01:04:00):
have been determined to be the pixels, the pixel on
the screen and the ones and zeros behind the code.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
So if the universe is pixelated, could would it helped
to degaust the monitor.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
We don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Oh, good point. So supporting this theory, there was a
review paper done in twenty twenty four the Kismeer effect,
and we referenced it earlier, but the force between plates
placed close together in a vacuum was what they were
working with, and they found anomalies consistent with discrete vacuum.
If true, the idea of empty space being empty is

(01:04:43):
not so empty, so it's not actually avoid at all,
but a lattice of units. The implication is staggering. Just
as a video game environment is rendered from pixels, reality
may be rendered from informational cells. The smoothness we perceive
is in fact an artifact of resolution.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
And yeah, and then this is where the metaphors like
Cosmic Minecraft, you know, kind of resonate. You know, the
universe may not be infinitely continuous but blocky, and every photon,
every atom, every tick of time might be a rendered
unit and a geometric grid. And you know, this explains

(01:05:20):
why quantum physics is so stubbornly granular, and why energy
levels and spins and charges all only come in tiny,
little discrete packages.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
So if if we're all playing a giant game of
Cosmic Minecraft, can somebody turn on free Ply Yeah? Right,
please and thank you anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Yeah, the biggest open world MMO ever designed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
So from here the discussion inevitably turn turns towards and
this is I think this is the part that Amos
is going to like one of them. Anyway, turn towards
the E eight structure. E eight is an exceptional Lie group,
a highly complex mathematical symmetry with two one hundred and
forty eight dimensions. When projected into lower dimensions, it produces

(01:06:05):
quasi crystaline structures that look astonishingly like like candidate blueprints
for reality. In twenty twenty four, researchers highlighted how E
eight sixteen dimensional polytopes could map particle interactions in ways
that standard quantum field theory struggles with. For many the
E eight represents the most elegant candidate forty cosmic code.

(01:06:30):
And this is where almost gets into the fun stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Yeah, so okay, so this is the distinction. This is
where the distinction between string theory and E eight really
starts to shine. And string theory there are is required
to have an infinite number of dimensions, and string theory
was sold as you know, being a simple, you know,
one little coat, you know, one little line equation that

(01:06:56):
was going to explain everything in the universe. And it
hasn't done that. In fact, it's actually gotten infinitely more complex,
and they just keep piling equation and equation on top
of it. And while infinite dimensions are fun if you're
writing sci fi, it's really just mathematical masturbation, where in
this one it limits it to two hundred and forty

(01:07:18):
eight dimensions a while, Yeah, that seems like a lot. Really,
when you get into E eight, you think of an
eighth dimensional crystal, an eight dimensional crystal, and when you
turn it a certain way, it projects a four dimensional
quasi crystal. And that's that's really complicated to explain what

(01:07:39):
quasi crystal is anyway. But the smallest block of these
is a tetrahedron, which, if you think of it, old
video games used to be completely in old you know,
rendering in GPUs was measured in polygons. This is you know,
it's these tetrahedrons are unplank length on a side and

(01:08:01):
that's just basically a pyramidal triangle. And this is where
the golden ratio comes into play. Now, if you're not
familiar with what the golden ratio is, it's the equation
that's behind fractals. And I know in the nineties and
early two thousands, everybody had fractal screen savers and it

(01:08:23):
was you know, fun, But those are a real thing,
and it's an irrational number. What an irrational number means
is it can't be it can't be put into a fraction,
and they're generally non terminating and non repeating ratios. You
have pie is Pie is one that everybody's familiar with.

(01:08:45):
Three point one, four, one point nine. You know, if
you take the circumference of a circle and you know,
factor in its radius and then you get pie. The
golden ratio is one of what are called the three columns.
You have pie, which I just explained. Then you have
you number, which is it's written as just a small
lowercase E, and it's around two point seven to one eight.

(01:09:08):
And what that does is that's the ratio that always
emerges when you're factoring in growth of something and something
that grows moment to moment, it always falls back to
this ratio. And everything from compounding interest to growth in
populations to particular decay, it reveals itself repeatedly. And then

(01:09:31):
the third one, the third pillar, is the golden ratio.
Now this appears in everything from black holes to the
spirals of galaxies, to architecture and art, and it's it's
the mathematical version of the mathematical game of It is
the Fibonacci sequence. That's where you take two numbers, then

(01:09:53):
you add them together, and then you get a new
number of it, and it's sequential, and it can go
on forever. Zero plus one is one, One plus one
is two, two plus one is three, three plus two
is five, eight, so on and so forth. You go
down there. But when you divide the number by its
previous number, you always get one point six one eight
infinitely going on like that, going on, And that's the

(01:10:15):
golden ratio. So in this conversation, the golden ratio is
kind of like haunts mathematics and nature like, and it
appears in the spot like I said, the spiles and galaxies,
the proportions of plant growth, even in the structure of DNA,

(01:10:36):
and it's being found to appear that not only does
it relate to you know, but it relates to black
hole physics in lots of ways, you know, from Keren
Newman's solutions describing charge and rotating black holes, you know,
to the angular momentum and mass of a black hole itself.

(01:10:57):
It appears in all of these things all over the place. Now,
you know, a lot of people argue that the golden
ratio is coincidence. You know, it's just maths flexibility when
it comes to curves, but you can't explain a way
that it recurs fundamentally over and over and over in
the architecture of the universe. It's kind of like the

(01:11:20):
universe's fingerprint saying, you know, it's hey, I'm here, and
that's what the other three you know, the other two
in the uh the three columns represent. It shows that
the universe has favorite numbers. It's like when somebody asks
you to pick a number, you say four, seven, four,
twenty sixty nine, whatever. The universe will always pick one
of these three numbers. If you ask the universe what's

(01:11:42):
your favorite number at any time, one of these three
numbers will always come back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
It's like the universe's watermark. Man, it's creepy, trippy, trippy.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
So anyway they try to tear down, you know. In
two thousand, mathematicians Garibaldi and dis were published work dismissing
the attempts of E eight to link eight directly to
particle physics, arguing that the models were they were elegant,
but they're incomplete. And I'm starting in where I'm falling
into this is that if you take E eight and
you take some super string symmetry and apply it to it,

(01:12:22):
then it'll start to fall together. It's like you have
these two theories that are almost there, one of them
closer than the other, and I think that if you
just took a little bit of one and plugged it
into the other, there's your solution.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
It's kind of like putting peanut butter and chocolate together anyway.
But no, I mean so, the weirdest part about this
is the cultural residence that comes from all this, because
it's very powerful. So mystics have long streated sacred geometry
as this guy folding of reality agent. Greeks and well

(01:12:56):
they're thinkers considered the platonic solids. Uh yeah, Platonic solids
to be the building blocks of the cosmos. Renaissance architects
built temples around that. Entire concept is it's tapping into
divine proportion. Even modern spiritual traditions use mandalas and fractals
to symbolize the unity of existence. Physics may now be

(01:13:19):
catching up. We said that way this This is a
theme that keeps coming up, but it seems like physics
is finally catching up to the intuition that geometry is
not decoration, but in fact foundation.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Yeah, in the ea quasi crystal, you can take any
element that is known, I mean even ones that we theorize,
like gravitons, and they all fit perfectly into it. They
all have their little spot in it. And yeah, and
again with the tetra the tetrahedron pixel. All of these

(01:13:53):
converge into one point and they impose a structure on
the chaos. And you know, quantum weirdness suggests that the
universe is not you know, that is probabilistic, and geometry
provides the and geometry geometry. Geometry provides the rules of
the game, you know, the constraints with which probabilities can

(01:14:14):
play out. You know, it doesn't tell you which coin
toss will land heads, but it tells you that the
coin has to have two sides, and the toss must
have a obey the rules of conservation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
So yeah, So the interplay here is chaos constrained by code.
There's almost his favorite ordering in May, and this may
explain why the universe is both unpredictable and intelligible. You
can't calculate every outcome, but you can map the underlying order.
In this sense, physics is less about predicting the future
and more about uncovering the geometry of possibility. Really wishing

(01:14:54):
I hadn't gotten the D in geometry at this point,
I'm mixing the code of life here.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Yeah, you know, to put this into perspective, you think
about how a video game renders the world. You know,
you can roam freely in it, but the environment, the
physics are all. You know, you have a you have
a contained rules of which you operated invisible grids, polygons,
and you know, just you know the structure of the
game itself. Your freedom is real, but it's bounded. And

(01:15:26):
you know, reality may work the same way as that
you have choice, but always when the patterns of geometry,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Well, this echoes so many different things because it's kind
of like, you know, even with most faiths, everybody's like, well,
if if God can do all these amazing things, why
can't we do this, this and this and this? Because
the universe has rules. That's why. You know, gravity is
kind of a constant, even if it's apparently imaginary. What
comes up must go down as long as you're inside
of gravitational field. That kind of stuff. But I mean this,

(01:15:58):
this just touches on some of the different things, because
even art and culture echo this, and you know, artists
like m c Escher I hope I pronounced that name right.
I think it explored impossible geometries that seem to fold
back on themselves. Musicians have used I'm trying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
To think, So that's that's simil. It's it's Fi, not
pi like pip with a capital P. It's yeah, but
that's with the lower case like that, that's still phi
p h.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I Okay, So I was I was like, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
You recognize the upper case version of it. That's the
lowercase version of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah. So yeah, it's so they used fly the structure
your compositions that feel strangely resonant when they when the
same ratio shows up in galaxy shells, temples, and symphonies,
it hints that human creativity is not inventing, but might
actually be I don't know, I don't necessarily want to
say discovering the code, but perhaps tapping into it. Maybe

(01:16:59):
it's our creative consciousness that allows us to access those
kind of things.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Yeah, I mean, if once again, like we talked earlier about,
you know, how the brain is operating on a quantum
level even though it shouldn't then absolutely tapping into it. Yeah,
it is the practical side of all this is that
you know, it's like in quantum computing already relies on
manipulating geometric states equibots, and in condensed matter, physics uses

(01:17:33):
crystalline symmetries to build materials out of it. So if
we're already using this, and if E eight and five
are more than curiosities, you know, if the golden ration,
if they're golden ration more than more of a curiosity,
more than the curiosities that they may point to technologies
we just haven't imagined yet. In a future where we
design reality by programming its geometry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Now that well, I don't know, I know certain people
that I don't ever hope get that ability, that would
be scary segment.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
We'll talk about that the downsides.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
But there are risks to overreading the code. Humans are
pattern seekers, prone to imposing meaning where none exists. The
danger is seeing fire everywhere and declaring it proof of
cosmic intelligence. The challenge for physics is to separate genuine
structure from epiphenia. That tension itself can drive good so

(01:18:40):
is so is geometry a real blueprint or just a
comforting illusion.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Yeah, And I actually tried to shoehorn this, you know,
while we were discussing this topic, I was playing around
in GPT where I tried to take the plank length,
which is one point six one six times ten to
the you know, out to the negative thirty fifth. That's
how small that is in meters. And I was trying

(01:19:08):
to force the golden ratio into it, you know, trying
to find a way. Are our measurements of gravity too
imprecise that this? Yeah? In the patternrection, I was like, hey,
you know, the plank length is one point six point
ones or one point six one six, golden ratio is
one point six one eight. Maybe we just aren't precise enough.

(01:19:31):
And then it blew up the other way. I was
really disappointed because I figured, you know, man solves you know,
mysteries of the universe while sitting in his underwear, eating
a taco bolt tacka bowl, waiting for a conspiracyment show
to start.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Delaney in the jet. Our brains are tapping that quantum mass.
You know, it's true, leave it to break it down.
That's yeah, I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Yeah. So, but I mean, ultimately, the lattice and golden
ratio function as symbols of the search itself. You know,
they embody the suspicion that reality has hidden coherence and
a unifying pattern beneath all of the noise and your
quantum foam and uh yeah, whether the pattern is divine, mathematical, emergent,

(01:20:26):
informational where you were just looking, you know, being trained
to seek patterns and everything, and that's actually our hunter
brain is to seek patterns, your changes in patterns where
the deer is in the shrub and you know the
break in the pattern is, you know, that's we're coded
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
But in most normal humans, like in most normal humans
actually like to find order out of chaos. Most of
us don't like it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
In rivers, I look for chaos in order. That's why
eight and all of the speaks to me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
But so as we as we come to the end
of this segment, one of the key points and kind
of takeaways of this is if reality is information and
consciousness chooses from possibilities, then geometry provides the library of option.
The code is in fact not arbitrary, it's structured. And
the strange beauty of E eight and five maybe glimpses

(01:21:21):
of the architecture behind the existence itself, which is kind
of deep when you think about it. But again, yeah,
helps me lament the fact that I got a d
in geometry because I feel like I feel like they
were trying to teach me the cheap code to the
universe and I wasn't paying attention.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
Yeah, it's kind of funny. I when I was researching
this part the you know, the three columns, I tapped
on something that actually Jeff is doing a future show on.
So I'm like, hey, try to put this into one
of your shows, because it's a deep dive into I
you know, teasing it a little bit because this show
isn't going to be for a while. On it, there

(01:21:59):
was an Indian mathematician whose name is escaping me right now,
and he was able to take the three columns and
he said, all these formulas came to him in a
dream from one of the Indian gods. I can't remember
which one. I'm kind of failing in this section right here,
but anyway, so he came up with a formula for
calculating pie that when you look at it, it looks extraordinary,

(01:22:23):
extraordinary complex, but it collapses down so quickly. He came
up with this in the twenties. It is still used
today to calculate pie out to the trillions. And he
was able to work out formula where all three of
these ratios almost made a full whole number. And he

(01:22:46):
died at the age of thirty two. I think that
if he was given more time, he would have cracked
this nut. And like I said, this was one hundred
years ago. He did this in nineteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
So I have to admit on shows like this one,
I can't really pay that much attention to the chat.
But I think I somehow I've missed along the way
that it looks like him might actually have a background
in physics.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Really based on some of this. Yeah, so at times
that's in your chat, not that's in yours, not in
the well chat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah, I thought you it's in the main one. I
figured you'd be able to see it. I thought guess
could see it too, But maybe I'm wrong. So anyway,
this is time. Yeah, so yeah, it timestamped it like
nine point fifty three. He was like, not to us
real physicists. So yeah, next time we get into this,
we should pick his brain a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
you're guest hosting sometimes that would be fun. So he

(01:23:45):
also he also wanted to point out the second ago,
you know, when I was grabbing him about bad grades
and geometry. He's like, well, I trisected an angle and
the teacher said that I cheated, just like at Leo.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Anyway, dude, that's who's been in our chat off and
on all different shows for months and I never realized
he was an actual physicist.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
Yeah, that's the one thing I love about our listeners
is that they always surprise us with their And yeah,
if you don't follow him, the great too. He is
a great follow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Yeah, he's not yelling at you. He types him. He
types him blocks so he can see. So yeah, because
I have people like the other day there was somebody
that was fairly new to him being in the chat
and they were like, why are you yelling. I'm like,
he's not yelling. It makes it easier for him to
be able.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
To read loud voices.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
No, I wish I could go back where he was
giving me shit, where I was trying to explain the uh,
you know, the three the three pillars.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Wow, noise is oh anyway, all right, So man, I just,
like I said, trying so as somebody who does not
have a physicist background and just really enjoys learning things
that this while he even though this was my idea
for the topic, it took me forever to get put
together because there were just times when my brain was

(01:25:05):
like I cannot look at this stuff anymore.

Speaker 10 (01:25:08):
But the.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Irony of me starting to do and again, remember with Coren,
it was ultimately the show started and he was supposed
to be reading and interacting with the chat, and then
he's like, you know what, I don't like that so much.
How about if I start telling you what book we're
doing and you start interacting with me too, Because there
was once I started doing that on the pre records
because he's like, I don't have the chat, I don't
know what to do. And then we started doing living

(01:25:31):
and he's like, no, dude, just key, I like it.
So yeah, I've gone from just producing the Second Chair,
but it's taken a lot of things that I've taken
at face value and just kind of turned it on
its head, just like the stuff that we're talking about tonight,
because I mean I'm not and we'll get into the
downsides of this in the last segment. And I'm not

(01:25:52):
saying that all of the wu wu stuff that you
see everywhere is accurate, but the fact that even in
small ways you're shaping versus means that in some if
you if you can figure it out, there probably are
ways that you can do it in big ways if
you if you know how, which would explain would explain
a lot of things that you know, have been you know,

(01:26:15):
exemplified as deism and everything else in our history is
maybe as people that just understood more about how everything
worked and knew what the tea codes were.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
That's there, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
We have a jest citing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I said, I've i mean E
eight emergence theory. I've really been leaning heavy into it lately,
and it's become my predominant universal view. I don't know
if elegance, you know, elegance of simplicity is you know,

(01:26:51):
really the uh, the hallmark for you know, what's true,
but it seems to fit, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Yeah, well so the irony of and this is kind
of a crossover into some of the other stuff I
do because the weirdest thing about what we're talking about
tonight is the old axiom everything old is new again,
which I talk about a lot in politics because it's
the you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
So the idea that you know, we're coming back around

(01:27:25):
all these concepts that have been around for thousands of
years and we're going, oh, maybe these people actually were
onto something.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Yeah, and you know it's back like we talked about before.
I mean a lot of Eastern mysticism, gnocissism and stuff
like that. You know, if you've been paying attention, you'll
pick things up from those that we have been talking
about in quantum mechanics. And you know, maybe with all
the noise that we have had in our world for

(01:27:56):
the last two thousand years or more, that we I
mean not to argue going back to a grarian you know,
fucking bullshit, but you know, maybe getting out to touch
a grass more. You know. It's well so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Well interesting point, and we're up against the break, so
I'm probably gonna carry that over to the other side.
But there is a theory that is now being referred
to as grounding, so yeah, there's actually scientific data there
or too. All right, So I jinxed this. I am
starting to have intermittent internet issues, So I'm hoping this works.
If not, I'll figure something else out because I can
still play something for my phone because I don't have

(01:28:34):
to have a connected to the network. But we're gonna
try to play this awesome song from Jeff again because
we're at the bottom of the hour. Cross your fingers, folks,
because my internet's being cranky again. Hopefully this works. Hopefully I.

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Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Welcome back into the final segment of juxtaposition. Ladies, we're
trying to make it go away. Yes, I actually kind
of want to us to do it again. By the
do there right now? Anyway, so we're back, we're live.
What are the final segments? And this is where we
really break your brain again.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
I gotta throw I gotta throw a nerd bone real quick,
because he said in the chat that you know, Hawkings
needs to uh, you know, for my idea to work,
Hawkings needs to take the constant, you know, needs the
constants to change for it. And where I tried to
throw it in was the weakest of the constants, which
was g and it worked in solar systems and astrophysics

(01:34:31):
and dimensional gravity. But it was an actual lab experience experiments.
Unless every single major lab experiment biased the same way,
it was off by about ninety six sigma.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Okay, say that in English for those of us that
aren't physicists.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
He it's something he'll get. So that's our it was.
It worked on every level but the most important one.
How about that? Okay, that helps, But yeah, so before
basically it would mean all the labs experiments all biased
the same direction. If I was right, then that means
like most of the lab it was still within the
deviation of the spread of the lab experiments, but the

(01:35:09):
most hyper sensitive ones are would mean if they all
biased in one direction.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Dude, I'm buying you a pocket protector for Christmas, all right. So, anyway,
before we went to Break, we were kind of touching
on this whole idea of you know that, you know,
this is all stuff that's come around before, and now
there's scientific theories starting to back it up. One of
the ones that I find the most interesting is the
fact that a lot of scientists are starting to understand

(01:35:36):
that on a physical level, a lot of the health
issues and things that we may have may come from
the fact that we try to completely disconnect ourselves from
the world around us. As a matter of fact, there's
now this this process called grounding where you go out
and you actually touch grass in your bare feet and
it pulls the negative ions out of your body, which
which does all kinds of things to your system. So

(01:35:58):
I wanted to finish that thought because we have to
get to Break. But so many things that just just
you be like, oh my god, you're a hippie are
now being backed up in science, and.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
One of the things I wanted to get on earlier too.
You know, I don't I think I briefly touched on this,
but I really wanted to put it more in depth,
is that with reality being information, Einstein proved you know
through relativity that you know, matter is energy and energy
has two states potential and kinetic zero and one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Meaning it's by now its meaning it's binary anyway, So
we're into the final stretch. So so far, what we've
discussed is information is reality, time is illusion consciousness. As
co author, geometry is code again kicking myself for that,
you get Geometry right about it. And so this leaves

(01:36:56):
us to ask the hardest question, what happens if we
actually crack all of this? What happens if we learn
to actually edit the code instead of just being able
to passively through our observations, potentially shaping the universe, what
if we could learn how to do it? So every breakthrough,
once we once we reached that point carries promise and peril.

(01:37:19):
If reality is in fact editable, then the frontier is
not just discovery but risk.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
Yeah, the physics community is already wrestling with this. You know,
it's competing unification attempts from strength theory. Like I talked
about E eight mappings. You know, it's less about elegance
and more about survival. You know, it's like you talked
about where strength theory once, you know, promise the theory
of everything. It's it's only produced more questions than answers,

(01:37:51):
and really it's it's just quicksand in my opinion, and
it's infinitely complex and never falsifiable, and that's not science,
you know, like the camp that I fall on E eight,
while I argue it's more elegant, but the math is complete,
and you know, there's the danger of chasing beautiful illusions
while missing brutal mechanics behind it all. And that's where

(01:38:14):
I kind of said somewhere, if you take a little
bit of one and then plug it into E eight,
I think that's going to make you know, all the
pieces fit too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
So I just I just want to take a moment
and point out that science found the quicksand that all
of us were afraid of in the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
Eighties, right, they created it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:32):
So still some.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Unification attempts are making progress. In twenty twenty five, researcher
Alina Tensen or tensor Sorry published work suggesting new bridges
between quantum mechanics and general relativity, so using non Galaxian
tests of entanglement to probe spacetime curvageure. Quantum Magazine covered
similar work with this within the same year, where wormhole

(01:38:56):
models tied to the er equals EPR conjecture implied in
tanglement itself may form shortcuts through reality. These are not
idle speculations, they're testable proposals. If true, the code may
in fact be hackable.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
Yeah, but that's not really safe. I mean, you know
these hormoles, for example, you know, they imply that manipulating
entanglement could create traversible bridges, and that sounds like science
fiction when you consider the resource of pouring.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
And I mean, so wait, wait, hang on, I gotta
stop you right there, because it sounds like we're talking
about a stargate.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
Yeah. I was gonna saye this was the stargate and
last one where they tried to suck vacuum energy out
of their own universe. Yeah, so, I mean, this does
really sound like science fiction. But Moody's reported that this
year quantum research quantum research investments are over forty billion globally.
Governments and corporations. You know, they're not finding it out

(01:39:56):
of curiosity. They're looking for leverage. They see weapons, they
see empires, and they see waiting for things to be
built on quantum control.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Well, so the interesting thing about this is, you know,
because because quantum computing is kind of becoming a thing,
and they have actually, in very small ways, instituted quantum tells.
It's called quantum teleportation. So basically they have managed to
simultaneously send one particle to another part in like completely

(01:40:28):
different areas. So it's kind of remember the old Sci
Fi where you know, they add teleportation, but the original
stepped in, the copy came out, and they killed the original,
and the copy kept going. Kind of same thing with this,
So the copy of the particle winds up far far
away from point A and continues on from point B,
and then the original is destroyed. That that, the fact

(01:40:51):
that we're even talking about this on the quantum level
is again enough to break my brain.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
But then okay, so taking that and you know, we'll
take Star Trek transport is in is this example because
one of the you know, questions in Star Trek and
that's plagued the community all along, was that, you know,
so because you're destroying one version, turning it into a pattern,

(01:41:18):
moving it and then rebuilding another pattern, what happens to
the soul? Well, on this level. If you know, if
you're remapping everything even down you know, to the entanglement
in the uh you know, the sinat the neuron proteins,
then that would still be part of the acastic field.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
And as the main what I was about to say
that the whole idea of the acoustic field turns all
that on its head because even though you're destroying the
original reincorporating it after you've transmitted it, however you transmit it,
then if if everything is attached to this acoustic field,
I mean to put this in simpler terms, Basically, your
information is in a cloud. So when your reform, when

(01:42:04):
you reform, all of your information still there because when
they remap everything, you still have access to everything that
you had access to before, and it's all coming from
a central location. So it's kind of like updating, like
backing up your data to the cloud, which.

Speaker 5 (01:42:22):
Is you know, kind of yeah, yeah. All this is
where risk and utopia collide. Is Like on the utopian side,
you know you've got limitless clean energy and enthanglement can
be harnessed, and you know it might offer lossless transfer
power across a distance, and you know, quantum systems already
already allow for efficiency and you know photosynthesis and in superconductivity,

(01:42:47):
you know, that defy the classical limits. And when we
talked about that in you know, quantum computing processing when
treated like synapses and like I just mentioned and we
mentioned earlier with you know, the you know, the subtewe
levels of the protein youtubes and synapses as well, so
you know, but extrapolated forward and it could be tapped

(01:43:09):
to a RaSE scarcity. But on the dystopian side, it's
easy to imagine entanglement being used for surveillance and control
and for warfare. You know, a society that cracks you know,
informational reality might be able to monitor every quantum state,
every action in real time. You know, then you're getting
into precog you know, and you know, and worse, you know,

(01:43:31):
if consciousnce does play a role, then controlling thought, you know,
it could become part of the system. You know, it's
not only just propaganda, but then shaping perception, which is
kind of where social media has gotten now, just not
on the quantum level, you know, is actual quantum systems
tuned to reward certain belief states and punish others.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
This is very orwellian, you know, this could make where
we'll look kind of tame.

Speaker 10 (01:43:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
So the thing about it is, even if we just
you know, even short of dystopia, there are even more
subtle risks. Quantum research is already straining ethical frameworks. Should
scientists run experiments that might destabilize vacuum states? Looking at you, user,
what if a laboratory probe triggered a collapse in space

(01:44:23):
time fabric? Again, looking at you, user, The chances are
remote but zero, and once the frontier is open, someone
will always push too far. But the downside to this,
if you listen to shows like this is we possibly
that cern already did that in the first place. So
the genies already out of the bottles. So been nice
knowing you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
Just say, yeah, you know, I mean we face this
pattern all the time. You know. Splitting the atom gave
us both nuclear power and nuclear weapons. Unlocking DNA gave
us genetic medicine, but it also gave us COVID. You know,
it's cracking the code, as you know, this code would
really be no different just on a scale that I

(01:45:12):
not just nations. It could put entire civilizations at risk.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Dude, I mean, let let's let's put this on the
scale that it that it deserves to be on if
if this gets cracked, and I would surmise that it's
probably already been cracked and we just don't know it
yet from some of the weird things that we're starting
to notice, this could put the entirety of reality at risk,
not just civilizations.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
And then we're going back to the nineteen eighty nine
anomaly you've covered on the last Mandela effect. See how
all those ties together.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Entangled And it's not even on purpose because some of
the stuff that we've tied together has kind of occurred
to me while we've been discussing the topic. I'm like,
wait a minute, that's back to this, and wait that
ties back to that. Like I'm just like over here
going I don't know how much more, but anyway, So
the so the other side of this, so you know

(01:46:11):
you've got dystopian, then of course there's the other side
of science fiction utopian, where everything turns out lovely and
amazing and you know, there's no want, there's no scarcity,
you know, none of the above. So the utopian visions
with this particular technology, should ever be able to crack
it and master it are of course rather seductive. Dreamers

(01:46:32):
probably are, and would imagine collective unconsciousness harness through entanglement.
A planetary mind able to coordinate instantly, ending conflict, solving
resource crisis moving is one species science fiction. Science fiction
often imagines this as the next step in evolution. The
point where humanity stops being a swarm of individuals and

(01:46:52):
becomes a coherent whole of consciousness is quantum. Wait, so
so if if, sorry, if consciousness is quantum, the future
may not be fiction at all.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
I don't know that that that sounds like collectivism and
not just like the Star Trek level of collectivism. That
sounds like an ant colony to me. Pretty well, yeah,
no exactly, I mean, and collective systems can easily oppress
as they can liberate. You know. A high mind may

(01:47:28):
eliminate war, but it also erases individuality, you know. A
perfectly intangled society may not allow to send you know,
or privacy you know. At that point, utopia feels like
a prison with perfect Wi Fi.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I don't know, I could still be down for some
perfect Wi Fi. So there's there's another side to this.
So the economics suicide does loom large as well. With
forty billion dollars already invested. Quantum technology is being driven
not by philosophers but by vincure capital and by governments.

(01:48:01):
So that raises the question who owns the code? If
the geometry of reality becomes programmed? Programmable, will it be patented, restricted,
sold to the highest bidder? The frontier, of course, probably
will not be shared equally, It may be fenced off
before we even glimpse it, and probably given to the
have and not the have nots. And you know is

(01:48:23):
in like the you know, the people that control everything,
they're going to literally control everything.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Well, yeah, I mean if you like three fifths of
our DNA is patented, now that's scary. Probably higher, yeah,
probably that was Yeah, that was the last figure I heard,
and it is probably closer to eighty percent.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Now, dude. But and so this isn't necessarily the realm
of things that we're talking about today, But I was
doing research on something because it's something that I have
a friend that's going through. And do you realize they're
talking about in like anywhere between the next decade or so,
we can probably start using crisper technology to repair kidney
damage for people in kidney failure.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Yeah, no, I mean that's you know again, it's you
rewriting you know this, This would probably work perfectly in
that because once you once you crack the entanglement theory,
then you know, all of a sudden you're rewriting genetic
code at the base level, at the geometric level. That

(01:49:23):
becomes fucking easy, you know. Yeah, And you know I
mean the dystope, I mean, the utopias. All this sounds great,
your free energy. I don't know about collective consciousness, but
your cosmic travel. And then you know you've got surveillance
and weaponization and collapse and you just know it's always

(01:49:46):
but it's one technology. What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
I know why you don't want collective consciousness. You don't
want everybody to know exactly what happens behind the circle case.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
I know, you know three between three and five PM
is already time, you know, but it's always with all
new technology. It's the clash between hope and fear. And
you know that's really what makes it also compelling too.
It's you know, it's the code is either salvation or damnation.

(01:50:15):
It's just a tool, like everything, the atom, DNA, the wheel,
the wheel, it's all just a tool and it can
cut both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Well, so there's something else that's being research that piqued
my interest when they showed in the research they're they're
researching and exploring something called quantum sonar, which would be
a symptom a system damn can't talk tonight that uses
entanglement to map environments with unprecedented and accuracy. So imagine

(01:50:44):
if you could extend that to a cosmic scale. You know,
all the stuff we throw a fit about every day
that's showing up in the web telescope. Yeah, imagine what
we could do if we could if we had quantum sonar,
so we could use entanglement to see in the black holes,
other dimensions, or even one of the aforemants in alternate
timelines we've been discussing all night.

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's yeah, I guess you'd say.
The payoff all this is recognizing that the lie of reality,
it isn't theoretical anymore. You know, for most of history
debates about time and reality, we're always philosophical. Now it's engineered.
You know, it's just you know, it's it's gone from

(01:51:31):
a philosophical problem to an engineering problem. And you know,
and now that we're testing it and funding it and
building systems based on, you know, the suspicion that reality
is information and editable.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Yeah, and that's well, I mean, so this goes back
to and this is this is This show was actually
fed off of another one that we did several months
ago when I when I saw a story about the
fact that that basically the sentence you just used was
in a story about time travel, that it was no
longer a theoretical problem but an engineering problem. So with

(01:52:05):
our little artificial intelligence buddies that we help that we
have helped put shows together, I started working between the
two of them and postulating the idea, well, if if
it's already down to an engineering problem, doesn't that mean
that technically would already exist since it likely exists in future,
in a future time already meaning that it's technically already here,

(01:52:26):
because if it exists in the future, they've obviously they've
they've obviously already had the ability to come back. And
then it started spinning out all these different articles that
were showing things that could be construed as possible time
travel artifacts. And that's what led to the whole show
that we did that one time, which we've touched on
briefly before, but never really at that level before with
all the cliffs notes and everything to go with it.

(01:52:48):
But the thing about all this is is the payoff
is recognizing the fact that the lie isn't just theoretical anymore,
because because if it is really an engineering problem, then
if if past can impact future and future can impact past,
we're only a certain amount of time away from this

(01:53:09):
thing being cracked. How long that is, who knows. We
may destroyal ship, we may wind up destroying ourselves first.
But I submit that in some ways, I think it's
already been cracked because there's some of the things that
we've talked about on this show.

Speaker 7 (01:53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
Jeff made a good point too in the chat. He said,
remember this episode when we do political shows that talk
about the US government buying parts of Intel, right, s Yeah,
that's the thing is that you know, Intel said that
they were you know, shelving the four the one point
for Angstrom chip because nobody was buying it, and then
all of a sudden, the US government is into Intel.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Yeah. Coincidence, I think not?

Speaker 5 (01:53:55):
Yeah, I think about that fabs at one point four nanometers.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
But so here's another kicker about all this though. If
reality is informational, then might it actually respond to the
stories that we that we tell about it, Because if
it is informational and it's interactive, and it does have
some form of consciousness, even if it's all of our
consciousness intertwined together. If if that is the case, and

(01:54:24):
we're postulating the belief shapes perception, perception shapes observation, and
observation shapes outcome, the frontier is not just out there,
it's actually en us.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
Hey, I'm gonna bow your mind for a second. Go ahead,
more more so than we've done tonight. So we've talked
about how you know, we're observing the cosmos, we're observing
the universe, and that you know, the universe appears to
have a level of consciousness. Back, let's tie that into
the shadow People episode we just did last Oh my damn.

(01:55:04):
So if we're observing the universe and the universe has
some consciousness, maybe that's the consciousness observing back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Okay, mind blown?

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Okay, Yeah, And that just hit me while you were talking.
You said something that triggered that whole thought process, and
I just went, wait a second.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Dude, that's been happening. So I don't blame you. Like
there's been things that have been coming up. I'm like,
oh this this tie that. Yeah, I've said that already.
This ties back into this, This ties back into this.
So yeah, I'm just mine. Mine mind is officially blown.

Speaker 5 (01:55:35):
Mm hmm. Yeah, you're welcome. And for those of you
who listen to both shows, chew on that for a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Yeah, and if you haven't, you can go find it.
We have archives all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:55:46):
So yeah, speaking of archives, if you want really deep
dives into two shows that really dug into this, uh
that's Jeff's ITC sixty episode sixty seven and sixty eight Errick,
you really need to listen to the Quantum Immortality one again,
especially what you're gonna be talking about with Yacosha Field

(01:56:06):
with the mnemic.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Oh yeah, I'd already planned on listening to it tomorrow
because I figured I'll holp with my research if we
do get to do that show.

Speaker 10 (01:56:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:56:14):
So again, all of you out there, you know, uh Speaker, Spotify, Apple,
kaylor End dot com, you know you can find the
old shows, go find Increase and those are even deeper
than we dove into this topic on very two very
specific things and yeah, if this turned you on at all,

(01:56:37):
you're gonna love those shows. Because Jeff's better at relaying
this than I am. I mean, I conceptually get it.
He's much better at explaining it than I am.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
Listen, alien the humans in the chatter shocked. Okay, that's
all we were going for.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
Yeah, so, uh wow, right up, push that right up
to the end of the show. It was a bunch
of content. Yeah, that was a fun one. I got
to flex my eight legs that I don't get to
do often. I get to talk to Jeff about it
all the time, but you know, finally being able to
put it out into the world.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Yeah, but the difference is when you talk to Jeff
about it, you both understand it most of the chat
other than him and Jeff.

Speaker 5 (01:57:26):
Also, yes, yeah, if the eight stuff, you know, if
that piqued your interest, just drew a blank Quantum Gravity
group on uh YouTube. They've they're self funded and they've
been doing a lot of a bunch of nerds physicists.

(01:57:47):
Is such a theoretical physicists have been working on uh,
you know, the deep into this theory, emergent theory and
E eight and so yeah, go find them on YouTube.
They've got really easy to digest videos.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
So all right, yeah, you guys should probably go check
them out. Actually, I'm going to make a note of
that and probably check them out because I hadn't heard
about them before. Where can Folks Find You?

Speaker 5 (01:58:10):
Because we were Those are actually the two videos I said,
the two videos I sent you were from them.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
That's oh, the process already followed them along. Then I didn't.
I didn't recognize it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:19):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's what spawned all this, was
me sending them to you and nemic to go fuck
string theory anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
Well, so the thing about that was I didn't actually
so I did listen to the videos, but I didn't
actually watch them because I had them playing while I
was working on other stuff. So that's probably why I
never connected the names, because I had because it was
kind of like playing in the background while I was
working on other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:58:43):
And then then I got kind of stuff, you're working
on other stuff when there's an attractive redhead explaining quantum
physics to you. I had a lot of work priorities, man,
I had a lot of work to catch up on.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Don't judge me. Where can Folks Find You? You judgmental bastard.

Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
This week, I got a light week because it seems
that we intentionally unintentionally have shifted all of my shows
to heavy one week light the other week. There's no
Manorama this week, so you will only be able to
find me with you Rick on Wednesday night for Rick
and Orty. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
Wow, What are you vacation?

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
What are you gonna do for the rest of your time?

Speaker 5 (01:59:25):
Oh don't know. How about you? Where can people find you?

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Well tomorrow if we can manage to. If once I
hear back from Corn and figure out what's going on
with the family stuff, I will find out whether we're
going to do an episode tomorrow or not. Once I
know you guys will know. Monday Nights Reels is on
at ten pm Eastern Tuesday night no Manorama, so I'll
probably be doing some twitchy stuff, probably when I get
done with birthday lunch for my youngest son or well know,

(01:59:51):
my middle son tomorrow. Then I'll probably write some twitchy
stuff today too. I was gonna try to today and
then almost let me know that the notes weren't working well,
so spent hours doing research again today, and by the
time I got all that done, my brain was fried,
and I'm like, I'm not writing. I'm not writing, but yeah, no.
So other than that, you can find me at tweeter

(02:00:13):
dot com, Misfits Politics dot com, at the lots Party
dot com, and also I produced a lots Party podcast
which drops on Tuesdays. So other than that, I think
that's it. Well, that in the Daily Show on Tuesday
through Friday. Did kind of forget to plug that one
today in Eastern be there or b Square.

Speaker 5 (02:00:32):
Hey, I'm if you're still listening, fire me a DM
let me know how we did.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
He's probably good. He's probably making all kinds of red marks.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
Yeah, it's just going through the transcript with a highlighter. Wrong, wrong,
hilariously wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
I'll get the archives up probably sometime in the morning,
because these take foreword to process for some reason, restream
audio takes forever to down them. So I'm just gonna
start it now. Bye, everybody, Male Hydra, no hailing of

(02:01:12):
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