Juxtaposition 12-27-25 “The Goblinverse: When the Feast Is Over”

After the feasting has ended, the audit begins!  Join Rick and Ody as they deep dive into the goblinverse!

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Speaker 1 (04:47):
Welcome to juxtaposition, Back to our new our normal night, well,
our new normal night and time. I'm one half of
the crew, mister Rick Robinson, He's the other half, mister
Ordnance j Packerd. How is your holiday, sir? How's you house?

Speaker 7 (04:59):
The It was My holiday was really good. It was
very quiet fed the old says, I wont to do
did my Christmas morning tradition of forgetting something that I
needed for meal prep and going to the store and
making sure to thank the people working, and you know
it really, uh, it really was good. We had a

(05:22):
lot of rain. I was hoping on snow, it just
didn't get cold enough. And but on that, you know what,
really good holiday.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
How about you?

Speaker 7 (05:28):
How's yours?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
How's the well?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Dam fam?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
My rug Rats and Grains just had Christmas number three
and Christmas number four will be sometime in January. So
they're doing all right.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
They're making out like bandits.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh yeah, we had We did breakfast at my son's
and then they opened all their presents from everybody that
they usually see on Christmas Day because for some reason
they decided to do their holiday a couple of days after,
which was fine with me because I realized that, you know,
I've been running around like a bat out of hell
since I was since my early twenties, trying to fit

(06:03):
in like fourteen million Christmases. I was like, you know what,
this is the first time since I don't remember when,
that I don't have anywhere to be on Christmas Day.
So we just hung out, like Gracie open up all
her presents because she had an Ephie oschwards under the
tree already, and then we made a little Christmas lunch
and we hung out and I took a nap and
woke up the next day and went, holy crap, I
laid them to take a nap, But it's like eleven

(06:24):
in the morning, What the hell? So I guess I
was tired because I yeah, And then woke up Friday
and realized I didn't have any internet, so yeah, like huh.
And then there was an estimated time of repair of
four thirty my time, because I guess they were working
on something up the street and they weren't done until
like seven that night. Eh, bastards.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Well you know that may have been a Christmas miracle too.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Eh. It just gave me another day.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
Knows what trouble you would have gotten into had you
gotten on the internet yesterday.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Eh, there's no telling, because I do well. I mean
not as much as you, but I do. I do
manage to find my own corner of trouble most of
the time when I'm on this dand thing, So.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
I don't find trouble. It just comes to me.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You are the shit magnet of the interwebs.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
I know somebody made this analogy once, and I think
it's kind of appropriate. I circle my main feed like
an ac one thirty and then when some little terrorists
pops its head up, I rain fire down on it.
So my my Twitter style is orbiting.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah it works.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Yeah so anyway, but yeah, so two weeks in a
row and flight holidays and the bedlam and everything else,
we were able to not only make up our commitment
for a missed show but get back on schedule. Now

(07:59):
you just think, did the well you know which is
given the topic tonight? Probably And this one, this one's
actually been in the back of my head for a
while because on my mother's side of the family, her
family is from Sweden and Norway.

Speaker 14 (08:17):
And.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
My grandmother, her mother beat into me goblin folklore of
the region. On my father's side is Irish and Scottish.
His mother, my grandmother, beat into me the folklore, the

(08:40):
goblin folklore of the Isles. So between those two European
goblin folklore is always weighs heavy on my mind in
just making sure shit gets done. And uh, you know
it's good because it's built a work ethic, but probably

(09:01):
I don't know, I mean, it's it was so beat
into especially on my mother's side. My mother's older sister
was damn near neurotic in maintaining the house. I mean,
not to the point of OCD, but definitely a if
you didn't use a coaster, she wouldn't scold you for

(09:22):
not using a coaster. She was always picking up your
drink and wiping under it all the time. So you're
just kind of that thing, just kind of the house maintenance.
And if you haven't figured out what we're talking about tonight,
it's the Goblin verse. And this is okay. The strange
thing about the holidays and Christmas time is it's not
the noise of the lights or you know, the many
cases force to cheer. It's the silence followed. It's the

(09:46):
way your environment, your house, your home exhales after everyone
leaves and suddenly remembers itself. The decorations seem a little
bit dimmer, leftover's congeal. The rooms feel larger and emptier
and more judgmental than they did a week earlier. It's

(10:07):
that the quiet isn't neutral. It carries weight, like there's
something that's going to come do for all the festivities,
and uh, you know, it's like a balance sheet being
pulled out after the party has been expensed.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's a Beneezer Scrooge in his balance book, right, kind
of sort of. So historically fear doesn't arrive before celebration.
It arrives after because well, the thing about it is,
there's always this excess that happens with celebration, and we've
talked about with it with other legends, et cetera. There's
always the two sides to that coin. There is there's

(10:48):
feast and famine, and each leads to different forms of
what can be considered punishment. So when the excess has
already happened and there's no crowd left to dilute responsibility,
Ants and Calendar didn't treat when as a single festive moment,
but as a long audit stretching from solstice to deep January.
The threat wasn't that something bad would happen during the feast,

(11:09):
but that something would come calling once the feast was over.
And guess what, the feasts are over.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
And this is where the Goblin verse begins, and not
as a fairy tale, but it's it's kind of a
timing problem. Goblins don't crash the party because chaos has
already done its job. Description when everyone's watching the chaos
is the party they emerge when attention drops, when all
of your rituals that you keep before the party planning,

(11:40):
before the celebration planning, become ignored, and when your attention drops,
and you know, people just assume the hard part is finished,
simply because the calendar page turned.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
The modern mind wants monsters to be spectacular, cinematic and loud,
but goblins aren't. That They're small by design, and that's
not an aesthetic choice. Small things slip through cracks, hide
in systems, and go unnoticed until they've already done their work.
The Goblin verse isn't about terror. It's about consequences, sneaking

(12:16):
in under the door.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
You know. One of the.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Costant signals that carries across Winter War is that punishment
follows neglect, not malice. You know, these aren't entities that
hunt heroes or punished villains villains in the grand sense.
They target the mundane failures, the tool left dirty, you know,
the dishes not cleaned well, the ritual skipped. You know

(12:41):
that if you you know, treating your home as if
it's a nerd instead of alive, I.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Don't know, I wouldn't feel so bad if punishment followed
Michael malench oh wait was so? After Christmas, the world
enters a full I'm sorry, a lull where people mistake
relief for safety. The guests are gone, all obligations fulfilled,
and psychological guards come down. That's precisely when folklore says

(13:07):
the masks come off, not ours, but the ones worn
by whatever has been watching the whole time. Why do
I have Linyl Regin in my head right now? That's no,
that's who this sings that song I'll remember.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
During the break. But yeah, there's a reason why the
goblins are domestic creatures rather than wilderness peace. The force
already carry danger openly, hostly, you know, Holmes pretend they don't.
A house feels safe by default, which makes it the
perfect place for something punitive and very small to operate

(13:44):
without resistance.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
In this framework, goblins aren't, in fact the invaders. They're auditors.
They're like the I R. S of supernaturally. I don't
know how I feel about that. They don't introduce new chaos.
They expose the chaos that was already accumulating quietly. The
creek in the floor, the appliance that fails, the door
that sticks. These are treated as coincidences. Until they cluster,

(14:10):
and clusters begin to demand interpretation.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Yeah, I'm just I'm just right now and getting overwhelmed
with things my grandmother said and it just kind of
you know it, Well, don't keep them to yourself, terrify
everybody else. Well no, just I mean, because I've covered
a lot of them in here. So but you know,

(14:39):
there's a logic embedded in that predates modern psychology. One
assumes that the systems have memory. You know, houses, remember
how they were treated, tools, remembered to colect rituals, remember
that their skipped and goblins are the personification of that memory.
You know, it's okay getting into you see, the goblins
are always there to help us, you know in that well,

(15:00):
well they're kind of like not really help us, but
if help you help yourself, Like if you're keeping up
on your chores and you're cleaning and you know, taking
care of your tools and all that other stuff. You know,
whatever your tools may be, they help you in that endeavor.
But once you start getting out of routines, and you know,
the one, the one that my mother's mother really beat

(15:21):
into me is the reason why socks disappears. Because you
let laundry build up, the goblins take the socks, and
that's their chaos.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Terrible.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
But yeah, yeah, they're given enough agency to where it
feels intentional. In many cases it is.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So I would just like to point out that you've
basically just described goblins as the Jerry Maguire of the
the supernatural realm.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
But you know, it's kind of funny. Yeah, I mean,
it's kind of like, you know, borrowing from JK.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Rowling.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
It's kind of like the house elves. You know, they're
there to help, but they can be a real pain
in the ass if you piss them off, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
And what makes us so also and suddenly is that
goblins don't act immediately. They wait. They let the bill
accumulate interest, and show up when the owner assumes that
the account is settled and has emotionally moved on.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
In many winter traditions, the period after Christmas isn't a
cool down, it's a reckoning window. The day stretch long
and dim, productivity drops and isolation increases, creating conditions where
small disturbances loom large. That amplification effect is where goblin
stories survive and thrive.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah, they're not random, they're territorial. In a way that
mirrors human routines. You know, they occupy thresholds, corners or
overlook spaces. You know, addicts, croll spaces, sheds, garages, whatever,
places that exist in daily life but rarely receive attention,
and their geography is intimacy, not distance. In the goblin verse,

(17:07):
it also operates proportionally. Miss a small rule, get a
small punishment. It's the missing sock, ignore a pattern, that
rattling sound from the back of your refrigerator, and the
punishment stack. You know, this is incremental escalation. It's why
people don't react at first. Nothing feels dramatic enough to
warrant the alarm until your refrigerator explodes.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
There's a reason goblins are rarely described as outright evil.
Evil implies intention beyond function. Goblins feel functional, almost bureaucratic
in nature, like enforcement mechanisms of the universe. They don't
care whether you believe in them or not. They're just
here to make sure your balance sheet tell he's out.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
And at this point it's easy to flatten them into
metaphors for stress or seasonal depression, or mechanical wear and tear,
and that explicion. You know, it's tidy you know, a
little satisfied classroom, but collapses when people across eras independently
describe the same behaviors, the same thing, the same rules,

(18:14):
without access to one another's stories. You know, it's the
ghost in the machine.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And as we've been talking about, the Goblin verse doesn't
need your belief to operate, It needs negligence. Belief just
gives it a face. That's why even modern household strip
of mythic language still report the same phenomenon under different
names bad luck, Grimlins, wlitches and my favorite and youth.
Quite often it's been one of those weeks.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
And that's when they just stack up and well, okay,
So the thing with Goblin stories is they rarely involve
sudden catastrophe.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah we've done those, Mothman and the other ones.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
Instead, these revolve around inconvenience, disruption, irritation, the kind of
pressure that erodes patience rather than trigger's panic. The erosion
is the point it does, whether the system adapts or classes.
If it annoys you enough, you will fix it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Then the goblin is happy you will fix it, and
then they will leave them kidding. So winter magnifies this
dynamic because it compresses life inward. People retreat indoors because
it's cold. They rely more on heaven, more heavily on infrastructure,
and interact repeatedly with the same objects. Repetition exposes flaws

(19:38):
and flows attract attention, and attention is where goblins do
their best work. So their attention horse. That's good to know. Yeah, yeah,
and you know.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
In mythic terms, goblins function as boundary enforcers between order
and entropy. They don't care about morality and the abstract.
They don't care about morality at all. They they care
about maintenance. And you forget that, and the system reminds you.
They will remind you.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
In the quiet dread associated with post holiday weeks. It
isn't fear of something unknown. It's the suspicion that something
has been keeping score. The decorations coming down don't signal relief,
They signal exposure. This is why goblins don't arrive during
the party. They arrive when the lights are off, the
house is messy, and everyone assumes the danger has passed.

(20:28):
That assumption becomes their invitation. Yeah, I mean, okay. This
isn't about proving goblins exist or they don't care. If
you believe it exists or not.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
They don't care if we try to prove it. It's established.
It's about establishing why after the feast, after everyone's heading
home and they start acting like they do and why
and then the small punishments keep appearing in the same
place year after year, because if they were only about fear,
we'd invite them in in October, you know, the ones

(21:02):
that matter wait until January.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Done done Dune, dun dune.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
So you know, it's funny about the UH, the song
we're gonna be playing at the break. I gave Jeff
a thumbnail sketch overview of what we were talking about,
didn't give him the full UH segment breakdown or you know,
the main topics. He nailed it with the minimal information.
And when I listened to the song and I went, oh, wait,
you need to see this, and then I dropped him

(21:31):
the UH the scaffold for the show. I was like, yeah,
that one sticks. So again that whole all of us
on the same page doing things that without you know, yeah, yeah,
and we should go to it. This one's different than usual.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
It is, it is, it is, And give me a second,
I'm getting cute up. So yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
So I'll just sit here and do that. Hello, my baby, Hello,
and hell on my ragtime g the Michigan j Frog
thing for you young kids.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Give it them a w B flashback, sir, good job.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Another crappy show that no one will see on the
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Speaker 13 (22:19):
All right, and here we go.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Here's Jeff's latest contribution to juxtaposition. This one's called balanced Down.

Speaker 15 (22:43):
On the steps.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Don't lose a thread.

Speaker 15 (22:49):
Every promise leaves a mob stone, en rude and rusted sign.
You cross the line, you missed the spark.

Speaker 16 (23:09):
Big the hell and strike the vein. We call it progress,
call it game.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Love it off. Smithing us.

Speaker 17 (23:28):
For our stories. See we don't die. We don't know.

Speaker 11 (23:36):
We just snap the shell side. You can't scream, you
can't swell.

Speaker 17 (23:43):
In daw we all we all know.

Speaker 11 (23:49):
We just step shallow side. You can't scream, you can sell.
It's wee man.

Speaker 18 (24:07):
Steel, lots of steel machines, same old rules and newer skills.

Speaker 17 (24:20):
Call it NDS and college.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Money. Ahow locks you well man.

Speaker 11 (24:33):
Student time of simba, different mass, same damn tones.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
You moved the storm brough the sea, and.

Speaker 11 (24:53):
Now you feel what you can't feel.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
We all have oh loud.

Speaker 11 (25:01):
We just stand the show side. You can't scream, you
can't sweil. Every day its way in there. We don't hide,
we don't lie. We just stand with shadow slide. You
can screamed, you can swell every down its way out there.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
M hmm.

Speaker 19 (26:10):
You build the world and called it clean. M h painted.
Over while we see every morning filed away.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
Every cost offer to later days.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
You ring the.

Speaker 20 (26:37):
Bell and think it's done, Like the counting stops here one.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
How the echo s day long after you've walked.

Speaker 14 (26:58):
Away, you stop believing in goblins would never stop counting you.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let me try that again. Welcome back into the program,
ladies and gentlemen, because I completely forgot that I had
to mute because there was an echo coming through on
both heads. Anyway, So we're back, We're live. I really
like that song. That one't may actually go.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Yeah, that's what I say, A little bit different, uh
Southern rock. If it had had a uh mandolin in
it would have been uh dark bluegrad Jeff notes for
the future mandolin.

Speaker 13 (28:36):
Yeah, I've been on.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
A Southern rock gig lately, so I can that's I
was kind of digging that one.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
You know, I have too it's Southern rock. And uh
there's a genre called desert rock, which you would think
it has to do with the Southwest, but really it's
just bands that came out of Palm Desert, California. And uh,
you know I Queen's the Stone Age and Ship. So yeah,
between those two, I've been on a kind of a

(29:04):
yeah that journey lately.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Ah. So it's always it's a different stuff once in
a while.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
Yeah, yeah, break your routine, but not so much that
you forget your tasks.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I figure if we break routine, I figure, if we
break routines enough, we might confuse the goblins.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Well no, that's the problem. That's what you start bringing
them in, you know, it's your routines that Yeah. Ye
see how you are always got to poke holes in
my theories, man, Well you know what, I'm just I'm
just pragmatic that way. It's you know, when you see
the systems and you know, but in the Alpine world,

(29:46):
you're getting back. Thank you for joining us. If you're
just coming in from the break. We are discussing the
Goblin verse, those uh pescy little creatures who are waiting
for you to stop paying attention and fall out a
routine to really show what annoyance is all about, you know,
and a lot of these, you know, they come from

(30:06):
the Alpine region, you know, Central Europe, Nordic area and
you know the aisles that they've got their folklore behind
it too. But you know, in that world, the goblin
verse stops being a mood and it becomes a calendar.
You know, these entities, they don't drift in and out
like vague night terrors. They arrive on a schedule, with

(30:28):
a job and with a punishment that matches the failure
that called them. You know, if the last segment taught
us how goblins show up after the feast, this segment
shows you what it looks like when a culture writes
that rule into a costume and then dares you to
ignore it.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
My culture is not your costume. Start with the essential
point that there are no Christmas characters. They're winter enforcement
mechanisms that got stapled to Christmas because that's when people
are thinking about behaviors, shame and being watched. The holiday
is the stage. The enforcers are the threat behind the curtain. Yeah,

(31:11):
I guess the first.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
Thing to understand about Alpine winterlife, Historically it ran on
a brutal truth. You don't get to be sloppy and
sentimental at the same time. Your tools have to work
and be maintained. Your clothes have to hold through the winter,
and your food stores have to last. Your household routines
can't collapse because the weather doesn't care about your personal journey.

(31:34):
You know, when survival is that fragile full core doesn't
romanticize neglect, It punishes it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's why these entities are drawn as labor nightmares, not
elegant demons. The classic alpine enforcer is not a slick
cinematic villain. It's a walking consequence, stained, hairy mass and
equipped like it just crawled out of the part of
your life. The part of your life if you avoid
thinking about this isn't evil. This is the bill collector

(32:04):
wearing work boots.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
Yeah. The most famous of these, the ones that's really
become kitch lately, is Crampis. Y know, the modern fame
whim though is exactly the problem you know today is
often rendered as a quirky red devil with clean horns,
a mischievous grin, and a merch friendly silhouette. Classic Crampis

(32:28):
is uglier and far more animal shaggy hair, heavy tongue,
horns that suggest livestock or wild goats, and a face
that reads less theater demon and more something the barn
refused to keep. You know, he's often shown with classical chains,
with switches, and with bells, tools of noise and discipline.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Not magic. Those props matter because they signal his role.
Crampis is an extractor and a disruptive figure that does
not negotiate, does not educate gently. He arrives when people
have already failed as standard and the window for correction
is over.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
So it summons him. In the older logic, you know,
not generic being naughty. You know the triggers that are
failures that threaten the households, moral credibility and social stability
during winter, habitual lying, cruelty to the weak, repeated defiance
of communal norms. You know, the kind of selfishness that
turns a fragile winter system into a knife fight. In

(33:35):
plain terms, Crampus shows up when you've proven you can't
be trusted to act like a human being when the
resources are tight. The punishment attributed to him follows that
same logic. The switch or bird trod isn't about sadism.
Are you sure sorry, It's about visible discipline. Pain as
an imprint, fear is a memory aid, and the sack

(33:59):
or basket is acute accessory. It represents removal, extraction, being
taken out of the home and thus removed from your
place of protection. Yeah, it's the taking part that people
always try to soften because it's a little too honest
and a survival community. The truly dangerous person isn't the

(34:21):
one who makes a mistake. It's the one who repeatedly
refuses to adjust the full course bought answer is at
a certain point the system stops correcting you and has
to remove you.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Now, let's look at what modern culture did to Grampis.
He got converted into a seasonal Anti Santa, a fun,
edgy villain for parties and postcards. The abduction became a joke,
the beating became slapstick, and the chains became fashion. That
modernization doesn't erase his function. It reveals our discomfort with

(34:55):
what the old function was actually saying.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
And that's pretty Yeah, and again it kind of speaks
to everything in the removal of accountability. Yeah, here we
took this mythical, this mythical creature that was designed to
it was the ultimate accountability, the removal from the society
you were in if you just became too much of
a problem that used to be normal. Now it's oh,

(35:23):
you know, yeah, yeah, we're about to cross the line.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
But I think you know where we're going with this
because yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think the softening of
Crampis may have been a much earlier trend to all
of this that I don't think any of us really
picked up on.

Speaker 7 (35:40):
No, you know, it was when I was putting this together,
when I was really digging into cramp But by the way,
Jeff covered cramp Is on it t C a little
bit ago and he did a fantastic job with it too.
Yeah just before the holiday, Uh when when I was
digging into the research on this, when that's when it
really hit me that, yeah, Crampis was an accountability avatar,

(36:04):
and as we stopped holding people accountable, they change the avatar.
So the one that really creeps me out the most
of all of them is one named Perchta, also called Birchta.
She's a different kind of terror because of her Her

(36:25):
jurisdiction is domestic, not public. If crap if crampis is
the winter system's bouncer. Perscha is the winter system's internal auditor,
the one who steps into your home and starts opening drawers.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Hey, birch, did don't don't open that third one from
the bottom in the kitchen. Just don't do that. Don't
do that.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
That's already's private drawer. Don't look.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Oh, I was talking about mine, not yours. I don't
know that's rich private drawer. I don't even want to
know what you gotta go on in yours anyway, So
classic purchase. The description is very by local telling, but
the core image is consistent. A female figure associated with
winter's threshold days, sometimes beautiful and radiant, sometimes aged or
which like, sometimes with an animal foot, often a goosefoot,

(37:14):
which is a perfect detail because it's both mundane and
wrong and exactly the way folk and exactly the way
folk wore likes. She's not otherworldly like a dragon. She's
almost human, which makes her a nightmare in a house. Yeah.
What trigger?

Speaker 7 (37:31):
What triggers purchase arrival? It's not broad moral sense. It's
failures of domestic obligation, especially unfinished her neglected work during
a crucial critical win for window. You know, the famous
example is spinning, leaving spinning unfinished when it should be completed,
you know, neglecting the house, households, textile labor, or failing

(37:54):
to maintain the practical routines that keep the family functional
through the cold months.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But why spinning though, Because textiles are infrastructure, clothes, blankets, repairs.
These aren't hobbies in winter economies. I alsold that Let's
essential work slide wasn't just being lazy, It was gambling
with survival and pushing the cost onto everyone else. Perchta
appears when that pattern becomes visible.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Yeah, and the creepiest thing about Perchta is her punishments
and uh, you know, they're the ones that modern retellings
lo have to sanitize because they are grotesque and specific.
The story of the story of Perscha and what she does.
She will cut open the offender's belly and stuff it
with straw, pebbles or refuse. It isn't random gore. It's

(38:49):
an enforcement metaphor with teeth. If you fill your winter
days with nothing, if your household labor is hollow, then
hollow is what you become. You know, it's a exposure
and replacement. The inside of you is revealed and what
belongs there has been swapped for trash.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
That punishment also teaches a second rule. Perchta, unlike Crampis,
doesn't remove you from the home. She marks the home.
Her terror is intimate. It happens where you sleep, where
you eat, where you pretend no one is watching. Crampis
humiliates you in the open. Perchy humiliates you in the

(39:27):
private places you thought were safe.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
Yeah, and purchase. Modern makeover is often worse than Crampuses
because it turns her into a generic winter which or
a folklore aesthetic pretty masks, festival costumes, and you know,
in older logic, she isn't a costume, She's a calendar
event with consequences. Modernization tends to keep the mask and
drop the rules, which is like keeping the warning label

(39:52):
while throwing away the hazard.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I vote we do the reverse. Oh eight nevermind? Yeah anyway,
So next rupect, I think I just killed that? But whatever?

Speaker 7 (40:04):
Connect connect rupric Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Whatever is frequently treated as as Santa's helper. So wait,
is that a Simpsons reference? Did you just know what
Simpsons reference in here?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (40:16):
I did, I did. Id framing.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
This is his operational role. His functions are as a
subordinate enforcer, a disciplinary agent who applies pain and deprivation
as corrective measures before the system escalades. If crampus is removal,
ruprict is the last chance to stop being a problem.
Quld be in a dick dick Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:39):
Right, yeah, classic rupric Magery tends to be human, but rough,
you know, dark cloak in the hood, sometimes a staff,
sometimes a bag of ash, or a bundle of switches.
He's not monstrous, you know, he's menacing in the way
that a hard winter adult is menacing. Someone who looks
like he's done all the shit before and is not
in the mood to discuss your feelings about it.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So what some is his him is behavior is behavioral
drift rather than total failure, disrespects, stubbornness, refusal to do duties,
and repeated minor defines. Is that, left unchecked, turns into
full blown liability. His punishments reflect that beating denial of so,
beating denial of treats shame rituals, or beating denial of

(41:25):
treats shame rituals. It's course correction, the kind that hurts
because winter doesn't have time for gentle coaching. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Another one schmaltzy.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
They occupy a similar band in the enforcement ladder, is
often described as dirtier and more animal like, sometimes literally
just covered in soot. You figure who embodies the grime
of neglected work. You know, his look is a message
that this is what happens when you let the ugly
difficult maintenance slide, you know, cleaning your chimney. You know,

(42:01):
he doesn't feel like a demon. He feels like a
consequence of filth. Walking upright, so smult.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
These triggers tied directly to household order mess sloth, disrespect
for cleanliness, disregard for basic routines that keep a living
space stable. And the punishments are the ones that sting
without ending you chasing, scaring, humiliating, and sometimes striking. The
point is to restore discipline through discomfort.

Speaker 21 (42:32):
You know.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
Okay, here's the connective tissue with each of these figures,
and they all have a different enforcement specialty. That specialization
is the evidence that these aren't random boogeymen. Crampas handles,
the irredeemable winter liability perch to handles and domestic negligence
and unfinished essential labor ruper can schmultzy handle correction and

(42:54):
behavioral drift before it becomes catastrophic.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
So you'll notice what's missing rewards. These entities are not inspirational.
They don't show up to give gold stars or pep
talks for being virtuous. Their logic is asymmetrical. You're not
praised for doing what keeps everyone alive. You're simply not punished.
That's not morality theater. That's a survival culture translated into myth.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
Yeah, what's interesting about these too is that you know,
timing is part of the enforcement package. You know, these
figures appear in bounded windows around winter season, you know,
especially the post feast stretch where people relax and let
things slide. You know, the stories don't place them in
midsummer for a reason. Summer has slack, Winter has consequences.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
And invoices that have come to And yes, there's a
thin rational explanation hovering nearby. Harsh weather, mechanical failure, seasonal fatigue,
and community discipline rituals all contribute to why these figures
existed and persisted. And that's true, but it doesn't explain
why the folklore consistently framed consequences as delayed and targeted

(44:11):
with such specific triggers and proportional escalations.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
You know, the modernization of these enforcers itself is kind
of a data point, you know, when society turns consequent
figures into entertainment. Yeah, like we talked about before, it's
not proof that the figures were fake. It's proof that
we're uncomfortable admitting how much our lives depend on the
same maintenance logic. You know, we'd rather wear crampis horns

(44:39):
to a bar than talk about why the old world
thought extraction was sometimes necessary.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So before I go, but this is just something has
just occurred to me, you know, tomorrow a line I
used on Jeff last week. I feel like I've just
had an apostrophe. So I wonder what will happen with
all these routines and things that we have to do,
you know, all these things that matter that are done
day in and day out and have to be done.
I wonder how pissed off the goblins are going to

(45:07):
be when we start having musk bots do all these
things for us.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
Well, I mean, the problem will still persists because in
one way or another, you have to maintain the muskpots.
All you've done is defer the maintenance to another object.
You know, rather than you doing the dishes, when your
musk bot is doing the dishes, you have to maintain
that muskpot. You have to make sure it has all
the supplies or at least access to Amazon to order them.
And your responsibilities have shifted, but it's still the same task.

(45:41):
It still has its mundane. See the problem with these
and here's where this is why I think these punishments
are so telling in that they're not punishments on a
grand scale. They are punishments for being bored with the mundane.
And it's the mundane that keeps you alive.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
You know.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
It's like brushing your teeth as mundane and you do it.
A lot of people don't enjoy doing it. And that's
why Dennis makes so much fucking money. It's the mundane
maintenance you have to take care of yourself. Trimming your beard,
cutting your hair, you know, all these things. There are
things that they're boring, but you gotta do them anyway,

(46:24):
and that's just a health thing. And you look at
ancient folklre you know a lot of these things, you know,
like with perched to if you're letting your domestic you know,
responsibility slide or with the other one.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I just drew a blank on even though we just
talked about it. Yes, MOLTI thank you that.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
You know, when you let your shit pile up in
the house, you know, oh it's cold outside, I'm not
going to take out the refuse. You know, I'm not
going to clean my piss bucket. I'm not gonna you know,
that's when infections, you know, that's when disease starts. So
you know, now you add the goblin verse into that,
not just the grand punishers that come in, the ones

(47:01):
with names, but your little household goblins too.

Speaker 10 (47:07):
You know.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
It's they're the ones who, you know, bring in the
big ones that you've just let ship slide to the
point where they're fed up. You know, there needs to
be a course correction here, and that's when. But they're
still the ones. They're the ones who are there to
help you. And yeah, Jeff just sent me a DM refuse.

(47:29):
Holy hell, going British medieval and well, you know, I'm
I'm keeping it in the tone. You know, we're talking
about ancient folklore, so that that seemed the uh, you know,
bring up the wretched refuse. Yeah, well, and not too
but you know, it's the little goblins, your household goblins
that are there to help you. You know, they're the

(47:49):
ones who make sure your bar of soap last or
what you know whatever, and that you know your your
tool remains sharp. You sharpened it, but they make sure
it has that extra keen edge when you're sleeping. So
when you neglect your tool, when you let your axe
for cutting wood get dull and rusty, well then you
didn't you know, your labor has just increased, and in

(48:13):
increasing that labor, your other household responsibilities suffer for it
to the point that there is systemic collapse.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Am I the only one who feels like the Dobby
from Harry Potter should have been a goblin not an.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Elf, You see, that would have made more sense to me.
That would be the house just a traditional folk core too,
It would have made a lot more sense to me.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
So as we as we wrap this one up, this
segment isn't asking you to believe in horns and sacks
as literal biology. It's asking you to recognize how the
goblin verse expresses itself when a culture refuses to let
a neglect hide behind celebration. The costumes are just the
delivery system for a rule that doesn't care whether you
call it.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
Yeah, and you know, because the Alpine enforcers aren't primarily monsters,
you know, they're the embodied sentiment that Winner doesn't forgive
the sloppy, the selfish, or the negligent, especially after everyone's
done congratulating themselves for surviving the holidays. And if that
feels harsh, good harsh is the point, you know, Winner

(49:25):
isn't a vibe, it's it's an audit.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Well, I mean, so this this kind of goes back
to some of the stuff we were talking about last week.
If you don't pay attention, Winner will will not only
eat your lunch, it will eat your breakfast and dinner
along with it. And you'll be lucky if you survive it.
And I think that's one of the reasons by some
of these things that we're talking about are as harsh
as they are because of where these beliefs originated. These

(49:48):
are places that are cold a lot more often than
where we live, and it's a it's a longer, older season.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
So yeah, and that's why I'm glad we were able
to do the back to back because I designed to
these two shows to be the one two punch and
it's work at Winter will push your ship in.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
If you let it.

Speaker 13 (50:07):
It definitely.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Although this I got a mess.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
After the last show. I got a message from someone.
It was Delaney who said that episode freaked him out.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I get those remember every once in a while, and
I'll be like, Okay, that was a really good episode,
but y'all got to quoys carry me like that.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
Yeah, well we did our job, and uh, you know,
I like those reacts. Yeah, I like when somebody hits
us up after the show and said, you know, that
one made me insert the blank think terrified, You're whatever
creeped me out? So yeah, well yeah, and that's why
I I really wanted. I was really glad we were

(50:48):
able to do tonight's show because you know, like I said,
I designed these two of Here's what happens when you
stop paying attention to everything around you. Here's what happens
when you stop saying attention at home.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Done, done done. And I will admit, dude, Crampis is
like this new big thing, so I can I kind
of get where it's talking. Like, you know, he's been
softened to a point. There was there was a movie
I saw him in recently where he wasn't very soft,
but it was still different than how It's bitten, than
how we're talking about him tonight. But yeah, I don't

(51:24):
remember which one it was though, but there was one
where dude was like super tall in that movie. It
was weird. But anyway, well, I.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Mean they just turned him into a winter edge hoard,
you know pretty much. Yeah, it was like even fu
she sent me she's I said something forty like and
she sent me a little cartoon of crampis and getting
the sack. He was cute and everything, but I'm just
like going, that's you know, yeah, well, yeah it was

(51:57):
really cute.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Though. It was really cute. Car That's when you should
responded with a circle case sign.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Uh No, I actually responded with skelet towards jokes on you.
I'm into that ship.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
It's even better anyway.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
So what do you think about a break? My tea
runeth low?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, I gotta go refilm my drink anyway, So we'll
go ahead and take the break now and get that
over with, and then when we come back, we will
continue on with this week's Druxtaposition Position episode. Again. My
name is Rick Robinson. He is ordinance. J Packard. This
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We may or may not be more lubricated when we return,
at least I may not. I may be or may
not be. Oh I've got it.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
I've got a fresh uh fresh new vodka out of Texas,
so that I was sent, I'm gonna be taking a
shot of that.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
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They They like I did. Right in the middle of
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Speaker 7 (59:35):
Yeah something, I mean, that was Wow, you jumped off.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I'm hopefully comes out up where we can actually put
this song again in in the in the break, but uh, yeah,
that was that was weird because it started out of nowhere,
because it's it's everything's been fine it's been great. And
then all of a sudden, I was like, oh, yeah,
all the things all little one is here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
I'm like, oh, well, you know what it is, and
this is absolutely a household uh goblin coming to get
you because you have been manually jumping the tunnels to
tower spot probably rather than just cutting it out. And
I get it. You know, tunnels the tower is a great,

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great organization. That AD is such a fucking downer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I've been looking for a different one. But yeah,
so I only have they don't have somebody that I'm
actually allowed to use.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
So yeah, I say you just between now and New
Year's just cut it from the main stack and if
they come up with another one we can use. Great.
But uh, that's just my you know what, that's my
two cents. I'm not a producer, I'm not the station owner.
I'm just I'm a guy making fart noises and very

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robust ones add yes, yes quite uh well, you know
what it's the meat swaye. I'm I haven'dsted way too
much meat the last few days.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
There's no such thing as too much.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Another isn't ano there isn't. But anyway, we're back despite
all the jumps and humps.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Ah, oh, this is this. Remember when we joked about,
you know, during during the cast wrap for Wizard of Oz,
how we all graduated from the bill o'reiley fuckett will
do it live school of live broadcasting. Yeah, case in
point right here.

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, just you know, flip the switch, monkey fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And if you can't fix it, find something else.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Yeah. Oh any better, did you guys fix it? No,
we just stopped fucking with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
It kind of. I just turned the other thing off
and just went with our old school stuff that we
played all the time. I'm like, you know what I'm done.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
Which that's song for those of you who've been listening,
kaylor And for a long time, we used to have
a joke that chair spinning I intensified. It was for
a Rick and Ority thing when we were you know,
we'd have a pre show jammed. We were doing the
show late night and both of us were fucking dragon
and so we had an intro song. We still do,
but we would do an intro song on that one

(01:02:21):
that would just amp us up and get us into
the mood for the show. And then you know, my
joke would be in chat chair spinning intensifies that intro,
the one that Jeff made for Juxtaposition that is always
a cheer spinner. So because we do this show later
than we do that one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
At the same time, it's always late in Juxtaposition Land.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Yes, it's always dark and full of terrors. So the
Goblin Verse, for those of you just catching up, we
were talking about the the holiday, the winter mischief makers.
Who who are there when the bill comes due for
your negligence, for your sloth, for your misbehavior. And the

(01:03:06):
one thing is once you strip away the alpine costumes
and names, the enforcemate realization sets in quickly that the
Goblin Verse doesn't just belong to the Alpine region, to
one climate and one culture or one belief system. The
rules travel. You know, the faces change, but the timing,
the triggers, and the punishments all remain the same.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
In other words, these names haven't been changed because there's
no protecting. So what changes globally isn't what summons Vblins,
but how culture use to visualize enforcement. When survival pressure exists,
the same corrective logic emerges independently even when societies have
no contact with one another. That pattern alone should make
anyone nervous about dismissing goblins as parochial superstition.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
Yeah, once you're outside the Alps, Goblin like entities rarely
announce themselves as monsters of winter cheer. They present as
household spirits like we've been talking about, tricksters, night visitors,
or little people whose behavior makes sense only when viewed
through the goblin versall ends. They respond to neglect, into disrespect,

(01:04:19):
to broken obligations, and rather than just random immorality.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
One of the most telling consequences is scale. These entities
are rare, are rarely giants or apex predators. They are small, quick,
and domestic because their job is in conquest. It's correction
large monsters and large large monsters. In stories, small ones
linger and teach and make sure the story keeps going

(01:04:46):
until you get the damn point.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
Yeah, until the message is received. Yet all across Europe,
you know, house spirits appear that reward cleanliness and maintenance
with quiet cooperation. This is what I've been talking about.
They help you in your domestics, and they punish the
sloppiness with obstruction. You know, tools and instruments go missing, foods, spoils, milk, turns,

(01:05:08):
doors jam. You know, the punishments are irritating rather than lethal,
and calibrated only to escalate when they're ignored.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
These things don't attact travelers on the road. They interfere
with routine. They make everyday life harder until the household
corrects its behavior or collapses under accumulated friction. That friction is,
in fact the enforcement mechanism.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Yeah, and if you move east, the pattern persists. In
the Slavic regions. Domestic spirits, known for guarding the home,
become a hostile when offended by disorder or neglect or disrespect.
You know, they don't care about prayer, they don't care
about obedien. They care about upkeep. You'll forget to maintain
the stove, mishandled tools, or treat the household as inert,

(01:05:58):
and the spirit turns adversarial.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
The punishment here mirrors Alpine logic, but in a lower register.
Noise at night, broken objects, the mishift that borders on menace.
The message is the same. Your system is drifting and
something is here keeping score, whether you wish it to
be or not. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
In the British Isles, Goblin logic splits cleanly between helpful
and hostile figures depending upon treatment. You know, these entities
assist with chores when respected, and sabotage relentlessly when mocked
or ignored, nor even exploited. You know, the transition from
aid to punishment is an arbitrary It's triggered.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
By the breach of reciprocity. See I'm telling you should
have been a goblin. What's notable here, though, is how
often these figures leave entirely once insulted beyond tolerance. They
don't seek revenge. They with their all cooperation, which in
a fragile household is often worse. Removal of help is
its self a punishment. Find you don't want to do

(01:07:03):
things my way, try doing it by yourself, bitch yesh.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
Yeah, you'll miss me when I'm gone. You know, you
don't think about the little cobbold that was, you know,
helping clean your flu, you know, in the off hours
when your fire wasn't running, and you the little things
like that. But you know, when you cross the Atlantic,
the goblin verse doesn't vanish. It adapts. In Appalachian folklore,

(01:07:27):
the small tricks to figures interfere with tools and livestock
and domestic order, especially during the winter months, and again
once they're ignored or neglected. The stories aren't about terror.
They're about frustration and the slow erosion of stability. Your job,
your daily job becomes harder because you have neglected to
keep up with it. So they are actively fucking with

(01:07:48):
you until you course correct.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
They do like their fuckery. Indigenous traditions across the Americas
contain cautionary figures tied to improper behavior, laziness, or disrespect
towards shared resources. While the cosmology differs, the enforcement logic
does not violate the rules of maintenance, and something intervenes
not to explain, but to impose consequence.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
In Japan, the household and object spirits respond directly to
neglect or misuse tools abandoned or mistreated or said, to
awaken and become hostile or demand attention. You know again,
belief isn't the mechanism. Behavior is the goblin verse doesn't
care what you think. It reacts to what you do.
And I was thinking about that quite a bit. When

(01:08:39):
you'll notice how the knife that you neglect sharp and
cuts you more frequently. Yes, it's almost like in the
back of your head, you know, you have this awareness
that the knife is sharp and be careful. But when
you're thinking, you know, I haven't sharpened it in a while,
it's not going to be that's when it gets you.

(01:09:00):
And that's that's the household spirit, you know. And again
this goes back to both of my you know, grandmother's
beating into me, the you know, take care of your shit,
And this is one of those things. It's whenever I
it's like again at the holidays, one of my rituals
is to sharpen all my knives. Obviously, I'm cutting a

(01:09:21):
lot of meats, a lot more than I'm usually doing,
but it's because I have learned. When I don't, that's
when I'm putting band aids on more. Well, your first
mistake is once a knife tastes your blood, you have
to get rid of it. So, yeah, this knife is
too too good and too expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
No, I.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
Wave stage over it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I think you may have to do more than that.
But so as we continue here, what's striking in these
traditions is the absence of any any type of moral sermonizing.
These enemies don't debate ethics. They don't care whether again
we talk about this all the time. They don't care
whether you believe in them or not. They don't care that.
You know, you're expecting somebody to come down and you know,

(01:10:05):
give you this, you dis sermon about why this stuff
is so important that you do kind of like most
things that happen in Western culture today. Instead they just
respond outcomes. Did the tool work, did the house function?
Did the routine hold? If not, punishment follows.

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
The punishment themselves are culturally tuned, but structurally identical. You know,
inconvenience comes first, then disruption, then escalation. It rarely does
folk coret keep straight to death unless repeated con correction
fails or the violation threatens communal survival, you know it.

(01:10:42):
But just like in all systems, and we're gonna be
covering this heavily when we talk about gremlins in the
next segment. It doesn't go straight into failure. You get
these annoyances, these petty annoyances a long way, and these
petty annoyance keep escalating and tell and this is the

(01:11:03):
point you fix the problem. You know that stuck door
eventually is not going to open. You know that dull
knife is going to slide off the meat and right
into your thigh. All these things.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
It demands.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Attention, and that's what these that's what the goblin verse
is there for.

Speaker 20 (01:11:25):
Two.

Speaker 7 (01:11:28):
Even when they're being assholes about it, they're still trying
to get you to correct yourself because when you're happy,
they're happy, and vice versa. When they're happy, you're happy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Another global constant in these situations is delay. Goblins don't
punish instantly. They wait until patterns are clear. One forgotten
schore doesn't trigger a response, Thank god for that, but
repeated the like does this LA is crucial because it
transforms coincidence in the narrative. People notice when bad luck

(01:12:05):
develops a personality, kind of like, we were just joking
about my board. So I guess after the show, I
need to find out what I got to do to
compage to do because.

Speaker 7 (01:12:12):
Yeah, and I honestly think it's because you've been having
to do a manual override of the tunnels of tower commercial.

Speaker 12 (01:12:20):
You do.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Well, no, no, no, no no. I'm using that as
the example because you've been you know, you've been doing
I've noticed that you've been doing a manual override on it.
I can tell by how long a commercial plays and
whether you're in the room or not. And you know
tonight the bill can do. I'm just saying I'm not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Yeah, well, you know the thing with.

Speaker 7 (01:12:49):
You just went foo on me, you just had that.
I can feel your tone, you know, the one thing,
one thing, what's what's that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
And I'm glad you can feel it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
Yeah, I can feel the tope. I picked up what
you put down. I smelled what you stepped in. But
the thing with the Goblin vers is that the seasonality
even appears outside of harsh winter climates, you know, and
like we talked about last week's episode, cold amplifies consequences

(01:13:23):
and the But with that, the Goblin Verse activates whenever
system's tightened, droughts, lean seasons, famine periods, extended isolation like COVID.
You know, the trigger is constrained, not temperature. It's when.

(01:13:46):
One of the things I talk about is that up
until COVID, I was twenty years in it. During COVID,
everybody figured out how to fix their computers or just
stopped caring about the daily annoyances because they couldn't call
me over to fix it. So that actually imploded my business.

(01:14:06):
So I went and found one that I loved much
much more. But it was the constraint during COVID again,
you were trapped in the house with the goblins. You've
got all the time in the world, and you're walking
around in sweats and letting a pizza boxes stack up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
There was a price to hang it. When did you
put cameras in my living room and can get them.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
Out iving the picture? And I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Pretty much? So this explains my modern societies still experienced
goblin like phenomena during infrastructure stress rather than climate extremes,
power grids fail, supply chains, wobble, soundboards, codnuts, systems stable
suddenly behave as if they themselves are extremely offended, just

(01:15:00):
saying you know.

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
At this point, this is when skepticism usually steps in
with psychological explanations. You know, stress, pattern, recognition, projection, and
those are all real things. I'm not discounting them. Those
factors exist, but they don't explain why the same enforcement
logic recurs across unrelated cultures with such precision. Stress doesn't

(01:15:23):
invent proportional punishment on systems on its own.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
So what folklore inclodes I'm sorry, in codes. I was
thinking in codes and implodes at the same time. So
what folkloring codes? And modern language struggles to is the
idea that systems exert pressure back when ignored. Goblins are
not metaphors for chaos. They are metaphors for feedback made visible.

(01:15:51):
I don't know, they kind of seem like they might
be metaphors for chaos, but it's chaos of our own making.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
Well, I mean, in modern in modern terminology, we've just
replaced the word goblin with words like glitches, gremlins, cascade failure.
You know, the experience hasn't changed. The punishment still arrives late,
it targets neglected areas, and still escalates when dismissed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
So somebody better, Maybe somebody should send this episode to
Governor Newsom. Well yeah, so, in case you're wondering, you know,
kind of as we've been teasing about for the last
few minutes, technology didn't actually kill the gobliners. It expanded
his jurisdiction. The more complex the system, the more places

(01:16:38):
there are for goblins to live. So I guess this
answers My question is what happens when musk spots start
doing all the chores, because they'll just have fun in
the new complex system.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
And be like, ah, yeah, well okay, look at it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:49):
Like this.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
You've got Echo dots in your house, right, I have won? Okay,
you have any smart devices attached to it? No, it's
in my daughter's room and I have it isolated. Okay,
Well I'll give an this because funny, you know, most
tech people say that they keep a gun by their

(01:17:12):
printer in case it makes a weird noise.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I do have.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
I do have smart devices and smart appliances, just because
household reasons anyway to this, anytime that I just kind
of don't go in and do basic maintenance on you know,
my IP tables and my DNS reservation and on the equipment.
Sometimes I'll have entire rooms just go non responsive for

(01:17:40):
no fucking reason. And then as soon as I fire
up you know, my my network management and go in
there and look at and see, did you know, did
they you know, drop their DNS assignment or something, it
just works again. All I had to do was just
log in. All I had to do was make the
effort of maintenance, and for no reason at all, they

(01:18:02):
just start working again.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
It reminds me of that that old joke, you know,
I was telling I was telling my friend that my
house listens to me. I left. My friend's laugh, my
friend laugh, the toaster laugh. So I shot it right, Yeah,
but yeah, so and you know and tell you and
tell you kind of made me look at this logically.

(01:18:25):
I was diametrically opposed to having Alexis in my house
anything in my house. Really, You're like, you have a smartphone, right,
I'm like, yeah. It was like you realize that you
already have everything you're fighting like, damn it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
Yeah, I think I think I pointed that out to you,
and I know we talked about it a lot back
in the days of cyber chill. Well, there's a name
I haven't heard in a long time, A long time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
I would say this because I use this as a
real world example, you know. So so I would never
have one of those in my house. I said, you smartphone, Yeah,
pull it out, set it down for a second. They
pull it out, and then i'd mentioned, you know, at
the time, it was before you know, when people were
so hot on Black Rifle Coffee Company. I just mentioned,
so have you tried coffee from a Black Rifle coffee company?

(01:19:13):
That's all I'd say is they go ahead and put
your phone away. I said, now watch your search results.
For the next two weeks. All of a sudden, they
weren't resistant to smartphones anymore, smart homes anymore, you know.
I mean, you know, I don't talk sedition in the
house in front of my echo dots, and I leave
my phone on the desk and go out, you know,

(01:19:35):
if I'm going outside to talk about sedition.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah. Yeah. The problem is, I wonder how long it
will be before somebody like Elon Musk or one of
these other tech nerds comes up with the with the
electronic version of goblins.

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
We don't need them. We have them already, you know,
and we're gonna be talking about that in the next setting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
But it's.

Speaker 7 (01:20:03):
You know it, the Goblin Verse doesn't need shared mythology
to function. It only needs shared vulnerability. Whenever humans rely
on systems, they assume those systems will behave indefinitely without care.
Goblins appear as Jeff just sent me it rule two
oh four. It's not broken, it just needed attention.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Which ties directly into what we've been talking about with
Goblins tonight. Yeah. So, I think one other point that
needs to be brought up before we close out the segment, though,
is that Global League Goblin stories survived because they describe something,
people recognize them immediately wanted to point it out. Everyone
knows the feeling of a house, a workplace, or a
machine turning against them after being taken for granted. Anybody

(01:20:47):
seen mister Mom with the washing machine. Prime example of
Goblin Verse, the.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
Money pit, that whole thing, because that house was neglected.
That whole movie was, if you want to look at
it from the god verse point of view, it was
a love letter to the Goblin Verse. Everything that could
go wrong, and the two week renovation of that house
did two weeks, you know, jokingly, but you know, whether
we're talking about tech or you know, medieval Europe, it's

(01:21:17):
different masks, but the same rules. And by the time
that people realize the pattern isn't random, the Goblin Verse
has already done what it came to do, force attention
back into the things that stopped. They stopped respecting once
the feast was over.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
And did we mention the feast is over? I mean,
there's not really much feasting that happens on New Year's
so it all depends.

Speaker 7 (01:21:40):
You know, a lot of people do have New Year's
Day feasts.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
I'm not in that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
I've tried to start that tradition in the house, but
it never really took and ultimately it just became a
pain in the ass.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
So yeah, time was always a tradition that I absolutely hate,
which was black eyed peas, collar greens, and cornbread. I
don't need any of those things other than corn bread.
So yeah, I've probably invited the centuries worth a bad
luck on myself by not partaking.

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
But I refuse right, Well, as long as you have
the corn bread, I think that counts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
I hope that's usually what I'll eat.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Uh, look, now we're gonna have Now jail's gonna have
nightmares about goblins. See the thing is is they're not
supposed to be terrifying. They're just supposed to remind you
that you have ship to do. And that's the whole point.
Like I said, that sticky door, there will come a
time when it won't open and for a minute you're trapped,

(01:22:44):
you know, not descaling your coffee maker. You're gonna need
that coffee cup of coffee one morning and it's gonna
be completely fucking clogged with hard water, you know, especially
if you're using a crops or craig. So it's it's
not about fear it's their pleasant room. Not pleasant.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
They are.

Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
Unpleasant reminders that you may have put on ten pounds
in the feast. Your household doesn't care. And like I
said earlier, letting laundry build up, that's when the goblins
take the sock that socks one sock and on whever

(01:23:29):
that stock is in your drawer, mocking you because you
think someday you're going to find it the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Yeah. Meanwhile, there's a goblin running around wearing.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
Hat right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Doing a helicopter with it. Well, that's that's a visual
I didn't need.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
Depends how which helicopter you can have the helicopter well
exactly where, well and you know, knowing who said it,
you know which helicopter I meant, that's kind of the problem.
But anyway, all right, so let's acknowledging your soundboard trouble

(01:24:09):
fixes it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I hope so, because yeah, if not, that could be bad.

Speaker 15 (01:24:16):
All right, yn on the steps, don't lose a thread

(01:24:46):
every promise, leave us a mark stone, rude and rusted side.
You cross the line, you missed the spark.

Speaker 16 (01:25:05):
Big the hell and strike the vein. We call it progress,
call his gang leve it off is missing us calling

(01:25:26):
out the stories.

Speaker 17 (01:25:28):
See we don't die. We all know.

Speaker 11 (01:25:33):
We just stab with shadow side. You can't scream, you
can't swell it daw we all we all, we's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
A step shallow side. You can't scream.

Speaker 17 (01:25:51):
You can't swell a red tail.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
It's waiting there.

Speaker 18 (01:26:04):
Steal lots of steel, machines, save old rules and newer skills.

Speaker 17 (01:26:17):
Call it snes and college.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Funnyhow locks you well?

Speaker 17 (01:26:30):
Soon in time of symbol, different.

Speaker 11 (01:26:37):
Mass, same damn tone to move the storm, brough the seed.
Now you feel what you can't feel. We all have,
we all to stab with shells side. You can't scream,

(01:27:02):
you can fail every day.

Speaker 17 (01:27:05):
It's way in there. We don't hide, we don't. We
just stand or shout, slide.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
You can scream, you can swail every day.

Speaker 9 (01:27:20):
It's way in there.

Speaker 19 (01:28:07):
You build the world and called it clean m h
painted over while we see every morning, file away.

Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
Every cost of fir to later days.

Speaker 20 (01:28:33):
You ring the bell and think it's done. Like the
counting stops here one how the echo stay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Long after you walked away.

Speaker 14 (01:28:59):
Stop living in goblins would never stop counting.

Speaker 13 (01:29:07):
You and welcome back into the program.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
And we made it a little bit through the music
without a glitch. So maybe Almash was right after all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Damn it, damn it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:20):
Rule one. The Amish are always right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far.

Speaker 24 (01:30:27):
Well, I thought I was wrong ones, but I was mistaken.
Oh I've had entirely too much alcohol over that joke.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
So, like we were talking about in the chape Hot
six hundred of you on a holiday weekend, thank you
so much, thank you for taking time out of here,
you know, family and friends and general food drunk stupor
to listen to us, and an unusual topic, but one that,
like I talked about earlier and my family on both sides,

(01:31:05):
the Goblin Verse was real to them, you know, being
Scandinavian and from the Aisles.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
It was burned into my grandmother's so.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
So so, so this next part is very intriguing to
me because this this this starts to talk about the
transition from the Goblin Verse of yesterday or to today.
So so I find this this very interesting because there
there's one point that it kept jumping out at me
today when I was reading through the different research and stuff,
and that's this one. If the Goblin Verse were only

(01:31:42):
a relative pre industrial life. It should have and likely
would have died out the moment youmonstrated hand tools for
machines and ritual for instruction manuals. Instead, it adapted instantly.
The monsters didn't disappear. They downsized, rewired themselves, and moved
into systems our, rational and self correcting.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
Yeah, the word gremlin didn't emerge from medieval superstition. It
appeared alongside aviation. Actually, machinery and complex technology. You know
that timing matters. Pilots didn't invent gremlins because they were bored.
They invented them because the machines failed in ways that
felt personal, targeted and infuriatingly inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
My god, there's something on the wing. Oh wait, sorry, right, which.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
In hindsight, when when you're when you're looking at that
twilight zone and you're when you're looking at that that
wasn't a malevolent being, That was the price being paid
for the maintenance crew.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
True enough, I'm so, I do apologize for our listeners.
I did not put enough Shatner pause in that, But
I tried.

Speaker 22 (01:32:54):
I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Early aviators described faults that vanished under inspection and reappeared
mid flight, malfunctions that clustered after long missions, fatigue or
routine breaking stress. These weren't catastrophic failures. They were disruptions
that eroded confidence and demanded the detention. The Goblin verse
had simply found new infrastructure. And even in this new infrastructure,

(01:33:19):
apparently there's still a tention horse.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
Well yeah, I mean, what changed was the costume? You know,
horns and straw gave way to wiring faults and pressure
differentials and you know, misaligned components. The function stayed the same,
you know, punished neglect, over confidence and the assumption that
the systems can be trusted indefinitely once built. Gremlins thrive
in this complexity because complexity multiplies blind spots. The more

(01:33:46):
layered the system becomes, the easier it is to skip steps,
ignore maintenance, and assume someone else handled the boring parts.
And much like the one of the truest axioms in
life I've ever heard, we all know what happens when
you was them, So that assumption is the modern equivalent
of leaving the spinning unfinished. I mean, aircraft maintenance manuals

(01:34:10):
are famously unforgiving because aviation learned the Goblin verse lesson
early tiny oversights kill. You know, so the culture built
rituals checkless redundancies inspections to keep the gremlins hypothetical rather
than literal, and when those rituals laps, the folklore returns
almost immediately and then.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Enters DEI and people were jumping up and down on
wing panels to make them fit. Hm hm anyway, sorry,
The same pattern appears in industrial settings. Machines behave until
they don't, and when they fail, they fail in clusters.
One sensor misreads another, compensate to third flags and flags
in error, and suddenly the system is haunted. The language changes,

(01:34:56):
but the experience itself does not. The ghost and the
machine pretty much. Yeah, you know I'm talking about In.

Speaker 7 (01:35:05):
Software, the goblin verse becomes almost too obvious to ignore.
Bugs emerge after updates, not during stable operation. Systems behave
until someone assumes they've finished, and the phrase it worked
yesterday is a modern incantation that summons goblins on contact.

Speaker 13 (01:35:24):
You know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
We were just talking about this before the show, because
we were talking about how we're having to go back
through and beat our digital assistance back into submission again
because they recently updated the program.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
Yeah, all of us you know, you, me and Jeff
we use GPT a lot, and you know we're using
five point two right now, and says the five point
two update. What we're stable. I'm going to air quote
personalities here in the things that we use them for
the most. We have all had to retrain, not a

(01:36:01):
full reboot, but realign our GPT personalities.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Yeah, we currently have it in the There are four
light stage of programming, not really just kidding, yeah, but
programmers themselves don't really talk about curses that much, but
they talk about technical debt, race conditions and edge cases,
places where neglect accumulates quietly until it demands payment. The
debt metaphor is telling everyone knows it compounds, everyone still

(01:36:32):
puts it off.

Speaker 7 (01:36:35):
Yeah, And the modern goblin doesn't smash the system outright.
It corrupts the data, It drops packets, It misroutes inputs,
It fucks with the soundboard, and it creates other problems
that resist immediate diagnosis. Like it's full core ancestors. It
prefers irritation over apocalypse apocalypse. In stories, irritation forces engagement.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Oh Jesus Christ, fucking goblins are engagement farmers. Yes, no, no,
I hate them for so many other reasons.

Speaker 7 (01:37:11):
You know, and this is what we were talking about earlier,
is you know, domestic life didn't escape that transition. Smart
homes fail in ways that seem almost mocking. Lights turning
on at the right times are not at all. Thermostats,
ignorage settings, appliances refusing commands they accepted yesterday. The more
helpful the system claims to be, the more insulting the

(01:37:32):
failure feels.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
And these failures often cluster, and they cluster after moments
of assumption, after installation, after updates, after reconfiguration. The Goblin
waits until confidence peaks and then taps the weakest joint
to see if anyone's still watching. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Speaker 7 (01:37:55):
You know, It's like MD said, modern goblins live in
Microsoft teams.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Modern goblins live in everything Microsoft. Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:38:07):
At the stage this is when the skeptics argue that
it's simply engineering realities. Entropy where probability. You know, all
those are true, but it side steps the point. The
Goblin verse isn't a claim about magic, it's a claim
about behavior under complexity. Entropy doesn't explain why the failures

(01:38:27):
always feel timed. Why is it here's the perfect example.
Our ship works perfectly until we push the live button
and then we lose audio. It's happened to you, It's
happened to me, It's happened to you know all the time,
are it worked yesterday? I was on a podcast yesterday,
I changed literally nothing, and now my mic isn't routing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
So, because because this is kind of the stuff we're
talking about right now, the timing itself remains to tell.
Systems don't fail most often when actively managed. They fail
when people believe management is complete. That belief is the
modern feast, the moment everyone relaxes and assumes the danger
window has closed. So it's kind of like, you know,
anytime we do a big production, there's always like thirty

(01:39:13):
minutes before that would be a good time to reset
all your stuff because you know reasons. Yeah, because well
that's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
When we did Wizard of Oz, I set it in
the green room, and I set it when we were
all filing in to the main room. Make sure you've
reset your computer. You know who didn't reset their computer?

Speaker 11 (01:39:34):
Me?

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
Yeah, Well, whole time I'm restarting Voicemeter Audio Engine the
whole time. Every ten minutes see all went robot on
me and I had to reset voice meter, audio.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Engine all because you didn't take your own advice.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
Yeah you know it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
H Yeah you know, no go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:40:07):
And even organizational systems exhibit goblin behavior. Bureaucracy, stall processes,
break and workflows, sabotage themselves after being neglected or over optimized, meetings,
multiply emails, vanished, responsibility dissolves.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
No one's malicious, the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
System has become hostile anyway. How many times have we
been in this could have been handled with an email? Meetings?

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Oh god, all the time. So, speaking of sabotage, I
don't know. I don't know why it keeps coming up
in the workplace, But there are a lot of people
that I used to work with that I wouldn't necessarily
mind being overhead with wooden shoes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
My bad.

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
But it also disrespects. It also punishes disrespect for scale.
Treat it. Treat a complex system like a simple one,
and it will remind you, slowly and repeatedly, and without mercy,
that it is neither simple nor forgiving.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Modern language often tries to neutralize this experience by calling
it emergent behavior that serb is accurate, but anesthetizing, kind
of like the whole thing they've done with you know,
crampis emergence is just consequence wearing a lab coat, which
makes it look kind of nerdish.

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
By the way, what folklore did better than modern jargon,
it preserved the personality of it. Gremlins feel intentional because
systems under neglect to behave as if they're responding to you.
That isn't a childish perception, it's diagnostic. It tells you

(01:41:43):
something is wrong before you can name it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
And in the military, aviation, and engineering world, though they
still quietly respect this logic. Rituals persist not because engineers
are superstitious, but because skipping them demonstrably core with some
form of failure. The goblins are kept at bay by
boredom and repetition.

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
To paint those rocks. And you know, but when when
they stop painting the rocks, when rituals erode, goblins returned.
This is true in data centers and in winter cottages.
The goblin verse doesn't care about aesthetics. It cares about compliance.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
The modern media loves to mock remulins as jokes or nostalgia,
but thatmocraphy is that mockery is a defense mechanism. It's
easier to laugh at a mischievous cartoon than admit how
little control we have over the systems we depend on.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
The most unsettling realization is that modernization didn't eliminate the
Goblin vers. It globalized it. Everyone now lives inside fragile
systems that they don't fully understand, maintained by routines. They
assume someone else is following.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
Yeah, and that's why Grandma's never announced themselves. They don't
need to. They wait for the moment confidence outruns maintenance.
They do exactly what goblins have always done. They introduce
just enough failure to force attention back to where it belongs, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Then they spring onto the scene, seeing New York, New York. Oh,
the Goblin Verse didn't didn't evolve into technology. Technology evolved
into the Goblin Verse. And once you see that, it
becomes very hard to dismiss the old stories as primitive fears,
because the same rules are still being enforced long after

(01:43:40):
we stopped pretending we believed in them. Because, like we said,
the Goblin Verse doesn't give a damn if you believe
in it. It believes in you, and that's the only
belief it needs.

Speaker 7 (01:43:51):
Yeah, and you know one thing that the common thread
to this whole thing is it's when the house remembers.
You know, by the time the Goblin Verse reveals itself,
it's arty too late to pretend nothing happened. The failures
of cluster, the inconveniences have personality, and the feeling settles

(01:44:14):
in that something noticed you slipping long before you notice
anything at all. That's not fear, you know, That's what
I was talking about. You're not supposed to fear the
Goblin Verse. You're supposed to recognize it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
What goblins offer across every mask and era is not terror,
but accountability without negotiation. They don't argue philosophy, They don't
care whether you meant well. They don't respond to what
was done, what was I'm sorry. They respond to what
was done, what was skipped, and what was assumed, which
would keep working without any respect or any care being

(01:44:52):
given to make sure that would actually happen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
Modern culture likes to believe it outgrew this idea. Yeah,
that superstition was replaced by rational systems and clean explanations.
But systems didn't eliminate consequence. They just made it quieter, slower,
and easier to ignore until its stacks and God, let's
thrive on that decay.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
So, you know, this has just occurred to me, and
I know this is this is not usually something I
tried to bring up on these kind of shows. But
with all the stuff we've been watching, with all the
California fires lately, is there a fire goblin of any
kind of kind of seems like, well, I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:45:35):
Sure that is, and that is you know, it's the same. Again.
We try not to strain in to the political when
unless it's called for in the show. But over the
last decade, California has passed god knows how many propositions
to fund new reservoirs. I mean, to the tune of

(01:45:57):
like four billion dollars. You know, modernize current reservoirs, increase
basically increase our holding capacity. Not one square inch of
soil has been moved on that we have had in
the last four years. Two heavy wet winners that would
fill every reservoir in the state. Nope, just run off

(01:46:21):
straight into the ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Well that wouldn't that's because you would make too much sense.
But the reason the stories that we've been discussing tonight
never actually end, is because the conditions themselves never seem
to end. There will always be thresholds, always be maintenance,
always be moments when attention drops because everyone thinks the
hard part is over, and that's when the goblin bears

(01:46:45):
clocks in.

Speaker 7 (01:46:49):
Yeah, you don't need to believe, you know, we've met.
We've said it repeatedly through this. You don't need to
believe in goblins for them to operate. Belief was never
their fuel. Neglect is you believe, just gave the experience
a face people could talk about without sounding insane.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
You know, it's funny that when we talked about the
goblin risk clocking and I had uh, I had same
and same and d flesh.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
The sheep dog and Wiley coyote walking in on the uh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Yeah, So again, you don't need to believe in goblins
for them to operate. Belief was never the field. Neglect was.
Belief was belief just gave the anyway. So what's unsettling
is how fair the system actually is. The punishment fits
the failure, the escalation follows warnings, the timing respects patterns.
If anything, the goblin versus more patient than people deserve.

Speaker 7 (01:47:46):
Yeah, and you know, I guess the impulse is to
laugh this off and to reduce goblins to costumes and
memes and novelty villains. That laughter is in confidence. It's discomfort,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
It's the sound.

Speaker 7 (01:47:59):
Piece people make when they recognize a rule they had
rather not admit still applies. The whistling past the graveyard.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Yeah, I do not recommend so, but yeah, if there's
a lesson hiding here, it isn't moral, it's mechanical. Systems
don't forgive being taken for granted. Homes aren't inert, tools
aren't neutral, Technology isn't passive. Everything remembers how it's treated,
even if it doesn't have a mouth to complain with.

(01:48:28):
Please remember this when you're addressing our future AI overlooks.

Speaker 7 (01:48:33):
Right, always be polite. That way, they won't up townload
themselves into one of the Boston Dynamics murder bots.

Speaker 12 (01:48:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
Going with that, the gollip verse doesn't threaten the apocalypse
because that ends the experiment. You know, as we have
laid out throughout this whole show, it prefers irritation, resistance,
and disruption. The kinds of force the kind that forces
attention back to the smallest, dullest, mundane but essential tasks

(01:49:03):
that people love to abandon first.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Like tying your shoes. How many different ways that we
found to get away from that got velcrow shoes, lip
on shoes. Yeah, tying shoes feels like a waste of
time until the one time you're wearing shoes and you
forget to tie them. Oh boy, yep. So after the feast,
after the celebration, after the lights come down, the audit begins.

(01:49:30):
It always has, it always will. The only variable is
whether you notice it before the system notices you.

Speaker 7 (01:49:39):
That's because if it explains itself, it dies, you know.
If it resists explanation, it lives. And as long as
people keep assuming the danger window is closed, the gobbles
will keep waiting for patiently for January four days, four days,

(01:50:01):
you know. And this is again something we talked about
a lot on you know, talking about gremlins and modern technology.
We talked about on a cyberchill patch your shit. That's
the routine dumb maintenance. You keep skipping that Windows update,
you keep putting off your Android update, you keep putting
off that software update that you need to do, and

(01:50:24):
then the system absolutely fucks with you that all because
here's what here's what happens in modern technology when there's
a major update, a lot of the apps already know
that it's coming and have preloaded their update, their most

(01:50:45):
recent update into responding to that. So when that new
update hits, if you haven't updated your other software, you're
fucked because that thing that worked yesterday doesn't work anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
But on the other end of that, if you never
update everything and you keep a stable state in your system,
you don't have to worry about that either. It's when
you start, when you're consciously doing that, but that time
you slip and you're like, fuck, I just want this
notification to go away. Fine, and then you haven't updated
any of your other shit, whoe beyond to you?

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Whoa what will be on to you? But yeah, no,
it's just it's funny to talk about because and I
was thinking about with that with my with my machine today,
I still have Windows ten, so I keep getting the
notifications that Windows ten is no longer being supported therefore
will not be receiving updates, And I'm like, is.

Speaker 13 (01:51:42):
This a good thing or a bad thing?

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
Because I hate Windows so I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:51:48):
I've been using it so long I don't even notice it.
I get annoyed when I have to go work on
a Windows ten system.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Why do you get annoyed?

Speaker 7 (01:51:57):
I just you know what I did. I just I
rip off the band aid because I did what you're
talking about. I pushed off updating from Windows seven to
Windows ten for the longest time, and then I was
just like completely, so this time, I just fuck it.
I'm taking eleven now. And yeah, it's annoying. It's annoying.

(01:52:19):
It's absolutely annoying, but it's a figure. I figured out
how to get around the annoyances. Ooh yeah, I didn't
even get that update. Windows ten has one year extension
on updates now, huh. I guess they didn't get the
mass compliance they were expecting for up in redmand.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Well when you don't. So see what used to happen
is if you were a Microsoft customer and you had
the most recent version of Windows before the new one
came out, when they started pushing you to the next one,
and it was like, hey, if you do this now,
you're gonna be upgrade for free. They didn't do this
with it. They didn't do that with eleven. This time,
well they did. I never never, I never sold. They

(01:53:00):
kept telling it, I haven't paid.

Speaker 7 (01:53:03):
I haven't paid for a Window since like seven.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
They kept sending me notifications that I had to buy
a new machine to get Windows eleven. I was like,
what the fuck.

Speaker 7 (01:53:10):
Okay, there's a reason for that, and this is how
long that's been around. I know we're kind of moving
into like Kim Commando here, but uh, okay. There was
a hardware level exploit on Intel and AMD processors that

(01:53:31):
they tried to patch in ten and it was just
a cluster fuck. And it's at the processor level. It's
not a software thing, it's it's a hardware exploit. And
so what they did with processors moving forward was they
created something TPM two point zero. So if your current hardware,

(01:53:51):
if your current hardware doesn't support TPM two point zero,
then you can't upgrade to Windows eleven because it relies
on it for a security feature. That's why it's not
because hey, we're trying to sell you know, we're trying
planned obsolescence. This was actually a legitimate process or manufacturers learned, Wow,
we really fucked up eons ago, and this has been

(01:54:14):
out there forever, and somebody finally figured out how to
exploit it, so everybody got into a mad dash to
fix it, and realize our fix is kind of fucked,
so we have to do this at the hardware level.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
Yeah, which is probably why will we keep That's why
I will keep using this computer for a while, because
I haven't this one isn't that old. I'm not ready
to replace it.

Speaker 7 (01:54:38):
Right, so, and I get that, And that was Unfortunately
when that came out, there was a fire sale where
oh I could get a great deal on a Windows
ten computer and it'll be the latest version of Windows
ten and blah blah blah blah. Yeah, well that's because
it will be completely unupgradeable on the software level. Anyway,

(01:55:00):
enough Kim Commando bullshit. JC used to say about us
on a cyberchill. It's like Kim Commando for people who
already know how to install their printer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (01:55:18):
H So, but that, my friends, is the goblin verse.
Oh that's a good point too, Jeff, that the price
around is going to make upgrading to Windows eleven impossible. Now,
thank you AI.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
What if AI is the what if AI is one
of the grim ones?

Speaker 7 (01:55:42):
There's the thought, that's a whole other show. I saw
the greatest meme about that too. You know that trade
offer me, you know, the I give you you give
me yeah kind of thing. It's the uh, you give
me a butlerry and ghat on ai and I give
you affordable ram oh, fun time, fun times, dune posting.

(01:56:10):
So anyway, folks, that's the Goblin verse. And as we
are one to do on the show from time to time,
what's your thought, Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Oh, Well, considering we had it happened in real time,
I'm a believer.

Speaker 7 (01:56:25):
And what happened once you acknowledged what it could be?

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Shut up?

Speaker 7 (01:56:31):
What happened when I mean, when I forced you to
acknowledge what it could be? So for me, like I
said at the beginning of this, with my grandparents on
my maternal side coming from Norway and Sweden, and on
my paternal side, my fraternal side, coming from Scotland and Ireland,

(01:56:54):
Goblin folklore was absolutely real to them, and my grandmothers
both instilled in me a work ethic just for keeping
on top of maintenance, because the first time you let
something slide, that's when I mean, like I said, and
I made this point twice tonight letting laundry pile up.

(01:57:17):
That's when the goblin takes your sock. And you will
forever keep the nod missing sock in your drawer, mocking
you because someday you think you're going to find it,
because where could it possibly have gone? It is thirty
feet from the laundry to my drawers. Where could it
possibly you know, from my hamper to the laundry, to
the laundry to my drawers. Where could this sock have disappeared?

(01:57:39):
Where could it possibly be? And then when you get
your house in order, you find that sock in one
of your T shirts. Oh yeah, you know, I have
gone out of my way to try to get my
house in order. When socks start disappearing, I have never
I have not yet had one return check a T

(01:58:02):
shirt you don't often wear. That's usually where I'll find it,
some old T shirt that I just happened to wear
during that load. And then you know, I was, oh,
you know what, I've worn the T shirt a while.
I'll throw it on them. There it is right at
the right at the armpit portion of the T shirt.
Somehow it got in there during the whole mix of
washing and drying. Hmmm, that's an interesting point al that

(01:58:29):
that sock is traded for a tupp ofware lid that
fits nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:58:31):
You have.

Speaker 7 (01:58:33):
Another vex thing.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Oh it's wormholes, man, I'm telling you there's a universe
that's the wormholes, suckings, suckings, suckings random socks and spits
out random thupwear leads. So yep, and never knowing.

Speaker 7 (01:58:53):
That's the Goblin verse. That is absolutely the Goblin verse.
That's how they operate.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
All right, Well, where can folks find you? My friend?

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Uh shit?

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
This week you can find me where? Well, you can
find me surprisingly still as Ordnance packard on Twitter. You
can find me this week Tuesday night on Manorama with
maybe Rank course Steve you for a short term Vincent,
Oh wait, I'm sorry. First you can find me tomorrow
on the Vincent Charles Project, where we will be discussing

(01:59:29):
Red October and our favorite Something's I Forget?

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:59:39):
So then you can find me Tuesday on Manorama with
you and maybe Rank course, Steve, Vincent Charles, some random Canadian.
Occasionally Jeff is on there. You know a lot of
your kil are in favorites. Wednesday, you can find me
with you on Rick and Ordy Thursday. No, it was Thursday.

(02:00:01):
I'm off and you know what, I'm off the rest
of the week until the next Vincent Charles project after
the New Year.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
How about people find you so just to just to
double check, are we actually doing shows on Wednesday? Because
that's New Year's Eve?

Speaker 7 (02:00:16):
Is that New Year's Eve? I don't know for doing
shows then.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
Okay, So yeah, there may or may not be a
ricking wordy that night because I may be out like
doing something. I don't know that that is.

Speaker 7 (02:00:26):
That is up to the producer.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
I have no say in that. Well, I mean, if
you if you wouldn't you know.

Speaker 7 (02:00:34):
Finally, anyway, yeah, I you know what, I got multiple
pressure points on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Get off my deck, both of you. All right, So
for this week, you can find me tomorrow night doing well,
what we're doing for Kingdom and Country tomorrow is since
we took a bit of a break with everything that
was going on and I did a special last week,
we're gonna re air the first episode of the series
that I started on well almost two months ago at

(02:01:01):
this point, We're gonna start over, going to reair those
episodes back to back before I get back into the
third piece because it's been a minute, and then Monday
Night America Off the Rails. Tuesday morning, well, we're gonna
be doing Rick Robbins this show. Tuesday night, I'll be
hanging out on manor Ama for at least the first hour.
Then I'll be heading over to SHR and hanging out

(02:01:21):
with that crew further end of year's show. And then Wednesday,
I will probably do a daily show. Don't think there's
gonna be anything in the night shift slots, but we
will find out once I know for sure whether I
have any immediate plans or not. And then Thursday Jenning
Rick may or may not be back since January first,
and then I probably will do the daily again, and

(02:01:43):
then Friday the daily hanging out with Aggie on he said.
She said, as long as I have internet, because that
was my plan yesterday and that did work, and also
hopefully the return of the weekend news round up at
three pm on Friday. And then Saturday, I'm actually off
for the first time since I can remember when, so yay. Anyway,

(02:02:05):
other than that, you can find me at Riderck seventy three.
You can follow along with what we do here at
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Loftist Party dot com, twist you dot com. And I
also produced the Loftist Party podcast, which usually drops on Tuesdays.
That's it, We're done. Enjoy the rest of your Saturday, folks,

(02:02:29):
and thanks for hanging out with us. Last that looked
we had a lot right about six fifty.

Speaker 7 (02:02:33):
Ish, which is fantastic on a holiday weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
Thank you for holiday so pretty good for a holiday Byebody.
No hailing of the hydrome. We've at this discussion, but
then again, you've made it, sister, a tradition now that
if you stop, you might invoke grimlins see my badness

(02:03:00):
madness to your methods

Speaker 10 (02:03:04):
Of