Juxtaposition HR 2 08-31-24 Are We Living In A Simulation? A Panel Discussion

Rick Robinson, Ordy Packard, John Katz, Mickey Blowtorch, and Alien Stoner discuss simulation theory.

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Speaker 8 (05:29):
And welcome back in Ladies and Gentlemen. Hour two of
our panel on are we living in a Simulation begins
Now I'm Nick Robinson, He's Ordinance Jay Packard, and you
know the rest of the panel. Hope everybody's enjoying the
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would be cool if we got there before.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, anyway, some evidence of some weird connectivity. I
could tell you for sure that Mickey just fucking makes
me laugh remotely daring commercials and I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
There's some sort of shit going on there for sure.
Were you laughing again?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Oh? I mean I was laughing in my head.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, same, I don't know why.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
I just picture Sha.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, I just I picture mc gigglin and it makes
me fucking giggle like I'm in like a kid in
church or something.

Speaker 8 (06:24):
Oh anyway, so, uh yeah, so so far we've kind
of been all over the gambit. But uh so, I
don't know who wants to pick up now anybody.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
Well, you've been awful quiet through this whole thing, Rick,
Why don't you uh lead us into the next hour?
Random thoughts on the meaning of everything?

Speaker 8 (06:49):
Well, I mean, so here's the thing, right, I mean you,
most most everybody at least on the panel knows this.
I am, even though I don't behave like one an
ordained minister. I also do believe that the truth is
probably somewhere in the middle. I think one of the
most telling parts of the Bible was when they say that,
but now you see everything as if you're looking through

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a glass darkly. I don't think. I don't think we
know the whole story, and I don't. I do think
that one of the things that leads me to believe
that we are in some form of a simulation is
again our ability to sometimes it seems, even unwittingly, shape
the simulation.

Speaker 10 (07:26):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Cass and I touched on this a little bit. Uh
not this, not not last night, but two fridays ago
when we were taught, when we started talking about the
way that negative self talk can impact your life. It's
it's it's just weird because you would think it unless
you have some sort of control over your situation that
even you may not necessarily understand, there should be no

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reason why you talking shit to yourself impacts your life
the way that it does.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Because it now, I was thinking about that earlier, to
be honest, the exact thing with the man in gestation
and all it. I kind of agree with what you
said there. Look, there is a very straight line, and
if you just think of it this way, every look
around the room. Everything other than organic material started out

(08:15):
as a thought, right, So whoever made the first cup,
the first hat, a bottle of water, a camera, whatever
the fuck. So it has to begin as a thought.
Anything that was ever created, you have to think about it.
And if you're thinking about how fucking depressed you are,

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and you're thinking about all the shit you've's gone wrong
in your life and all the stuff you're worried about,
instead of you know, choosing to think about positive, healthy
things and creating things and so forth. And yeah, I
mean there is kind of just a straight line, simple explanation.
But I do one thousand percent agree with you that
we do not understand energy fields. We don't understand Listen.

(08:58):
I I can never put it into words, but yeah,
I pick up on that everyone does. If you're in
a room with someone, they don't have to be I
was just talking about this today. They don't have to
be talking, they don't have to be doing anything. You
can feel people's energy. I don't know if everyone can,
but I'm sure a lot of people can, because I
sure as shit can. And there's something there. There's something there,

(09:20):
and maybe we haven't fully developed it, and we'll continue
to develop that further. You know, there are a lot
of you look at people and Mickey and I talked
about you have esp with certain people in your life.
You can understand what they're thinking without them saying a word.
So thoughts really do. Everything is energy, So it's got

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to go somewhere, And just because we don't think we
can snag onto it, it doesn't mean we can't. And
just back to your main point, I'll let someone else talk.
I always fall back on that. Yeah, it doesn't mean
that there's no spiritual realm just because it might be
a simulation. It can certainly be both. And even if

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this little rock we're on here is a simulation and
this life is whatever's beyond that and beyond that and
beyond that, it still doesn't exclude the intelligent design and
the spirituality aspects of everything. Because we may just exist
somewhere else and we are playing that game, or we're

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just a soul floating around like an orb, like a star,
like Mickey was saying, it could be anything.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Well said man, Will said.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Someone else talked, Jeff. We haven't heard a lot from Jeff.
I don't think Jeff hits us with the fucking math
and shit. He makes me feel dumb. Well, I was
about to drop more. Man, Now I feel bad for me. No, no, no,
I like it. And somebody's got to come in with
some real science. A bunch of stoner talking here. You're like,
you know.

Speaker 12 (10:53):
Well, and it's funny that a stoner is giving you math,
and some of you will appreciate that joke. The one
of the things that and I brought it up as
a point I'm gonna I'm actually gonna counterpoint myself is
if you haven't listened to my show in Thecrease forty two,

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I touch on a lot of what you you bring up,
cats with souls and how it plays into the universe
and whatnot. It's very on your own your vibe here.
But one of the biggest concerns and and the skeptics
with simulation theory always bring up, is energy and the

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requirements to do so. Now civilization two or three, uh
could have dice and spears or some way to.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Tap in the galactic energy.

Speaker 12 (11:45):
And I know you mentioned it a little bit as
well about understanding the size of the universe. Most people
have struggles on Earth understanding the role of our sun
having on our climate. They never get it right. Every

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time there's a solar flare or chant temperate change. They
don't they seem to struggle with something as simple as that.
When you look at currently what is the largest known
sun uy scuty, which is, oh, gott to let me
pull it up here, one thousand, seven hundred times larger,

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which means you could fit roughly five billion of our
suns inside of it, and it produces roughly one hundred
thousand times more energy or lumens than our sun. You
tap into something that and you start getting closer to
what people's current understanding of energy output would be for

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the simulation.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
So it starts to become possible. And then the next
part becomes what everyone else, all of you have been
talking about, is why would it be a simulation? Why
are we running it?

Speaker 12 (13:02):
What's the purpose of souls or God or any of
that in that play? And and that's where the philosophical
aspect of the simulation theory impact on us really really
fascinates me, because if you knew today that we were
in a simulation theory, what would you do differently?

Speaker 8 (13:23):
Well, I'd find the cheat code.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
A couple of things. You first, listen, we're still discovering
planets in our own solar system. Still, they're like, well,
maybe there's this planet X and it's the biggest one
and it revolves around the Sun once every I don't
remember how many years, But like, we don't even know
we're a thousand. Yeah, we haven't even mapped our own
fucking solar system accurate. And we're still we haven't mapped
our own oceans yet, of the oceans on Discover, right,

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so we don't know shit. Forget forget the other ninety
billion light year across known universe or thirteen but whatever
they say they we can see, and then it might
just go beyond and beyond and beyond so that you
can't even wrap your head around. Yeah, we haven't even
figured out our own ocean and our own little solar system, which.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
Is wait, how do we know we didn't? And then
we change servers.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's fine as far as why I think it's Listen,
if you even forget simulation for a minute, I talk
about this in relation to just you know, from an
anthropological standpoint all the time. If you look at logically
where we will end up if we survive long enough,
at some point, resources are no longer finite. At some point,

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AI and Computer Tech is doing ninety nine percent of
all the tasks and then what the fuck do we do?
So I always think, well, we'll have to go back
to some sort of communal type of life because there
won't be you can't have capitalism and all that stuff
when there's no jobs for anybody. And if you just

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keep expanding that further and further and further, at some
point we would just become like these blobs. What's that
fucking movie?

Speaker 12 (15:05):
It's Wally Theocracy all that shit.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's like, what would we do? We'd be like, Okay,
we need some fucking meaning in our lives. I want
to get dirty again. I want to feel something again,
like this is great that we can all fuck with
our neural implants and nobody's starving and nobody has to
go to work anymore. Great, Now can we have some fun.
Let's create something where we can go get dirty and

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experience the ups and downs of life. I feel like
just human nature, we would we would crave that. And
that's I feel like where the why would come in?

Speaker 12 (15:42):
Yeah, And that's that's what what fascinates me. With Stephen
Hawking and Elon both having talked about at what point
do humans become so lethargic and reliant on Ai robots
that we actually do start doing a little bit of
the regressing and never cross that civilization one level. It's

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and you see bits of it in reality today with
you know, people wanting to work in McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
We go back to being hippies on communists.

Speaker 12 (16:13):
Yes, and so do we ever truly regress to a point?
And can any civilization ever get to a point where
it could create a simulation? Is it a self defeating purpose?
I I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's a
great thought process.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
On whether or not we could. Maybe the thing that
we create creates it. You know, we create the AI,
and then the AI creates that stuff, you know, just
because we're all lazy and hanging out in the field,
you know, trading corn, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Something still creating sounds like urban dictionary is.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yeah, usually gotta pray double for that kind of action.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Trade and corn does sound very funny as fun We
want to trade some corn later, Yeah, for sure, I'm using.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
That trade and corn. I love it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Baby, want to trade a little corn? Yeah, but no,
we would, we would assuming in the direction that we're heading.
Once everyone has once we figure out how to let's
say desalinate oceans inexpensively. Well, let's say everyone's got water,
everyone's got crops. There are no jobs for people to

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do other than and even maintaining the tech itself would
be theoretically done by the tech, right, because they're going
to be way at it, So like, really, what the
hell would we do? I heard something, sorry, somebody said that,
and I hadn't heard it. Put this one and I go,
that actually makes total sense, they saying. As AI continues

(17:53):
to advance, and we already see these videos where it's
becoming harder to tell if you're looking at a real
person or not. If it's a real person and speaking,
it still doesn't meet that as I asked Mickey the
other day, the Turing test, But it will at some point,
and they said, the more it advances, the more we're
actually gonna be demanding human interaction. We're going to go

(18:17):
back to because people are gonna need a way to
confirm I'm dealing with the real People are going to
want to know I'm dealing with a real person, and
it's going to actually force a higher demand for face
to face interaction as we've trended completely in the opposite direction,
everyone's working remotely now, everyone's on their emails and folks.
But at some point we're gonna be like, hey, wait

(18:37):
a minute, am I talking to a fucking computer? Like
I want to speak to this guy face to face.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
Well, I know, I would love to visit Elon five
years ago when he made those comments about the civilization
turning on itself, because I think Elon disproved himself five
years later by what we're seeing, especially with Space X

(19:04):
and some of the technological advances there.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
It.

Speaker 12 (19:09):
I really do struggle with this whole topic because I
try to think logically, and when both answers are possible,
I struggle. And that's the part where it just I
really can't put it in the words you know what
would persuade me to go one way more than the other,

(19:29):
because to me, it just absolutely makes sense that we
are the most scarily technologically advanced because we haven't reached
civilization one yet and killed ourselves or no, we're just
a piss ant.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
We're getting into civilization one. Once we get to civilization.

Speaker 12 (19:45):
One, we're going to find out just how much of
everything is simulation theory or holy crap, you can do
what in physics get ready to drink like SG one
where they laugh at the team for oh, is that
where your level of physics is right now?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, and I know this isn't an.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Alien Yeah they called string theory. Oh yeah, that was
just that's just a ill conceived notion.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, what's what's I know this isn't an alien episode.
And not to go down a whole rabbit hole here,
but if we are the most advanced and what the
fuck is flying around our skies and oceans every day?
I am not allowed to comment on that. No, I mean,
there's it makes me think there's something, there's something we

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don't understand. You know, this guy was talking about the
micro organisms. It was actually a great interview on Rogan
that I can't think of his name, Cuban Cuban guy.
And he actually wasn't at liberty to say most things.
It was kind of frustrating, but he goes, you know,
if you think about it, like how the micro organisms
he goes, they may be just organisms that are native

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to this planet that we just haven't discovered that realm yet,
the same way we hadn't discovered these microbacteria and shit
like that. This is some other version of that. Maybe
they live in the ocean. We don't know, Like, they
don't have to be aliens. They could just be something
that's always lived on this planet.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
They live in the hollow Earth. Man Ordy and I
have done this show.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Yeah, you know cats. To your point about you know,
people craving, I'm sorry, Jeff to Jeffs someone.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
That to me is the clearest evidence of Hey, maybe
something is way more advanced than us. We just we
don't get it.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Well, I will tell you that we seem to forget
that one of the panel members is an alien, So
I think part of his job tonight is disinformation. I'm just.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
You know, cats. To your point about how at some
point we're going to be craving human interaction, that kind
of goes with the dead Internet theory. I didn't think
we would get I'd get a chance to interject it
into this one. But if you're not familiar with the theory,
it's that the Internet is actually slowly dying as we
can track down to fewer and fewer sites. Because you
look at the Internet twenty five years ago, when it
was just a wild West and everybody had an angel

(21:58):
fire page and it was just I mean you you
actually had to go exploring, like in the wild West,
to go find, you know, your little niche website that
you know you wanted to check out. Hey, you know,
it's kind of like finding a newsletter of you know,
somebody who agreed with you. But over time it's contracted down.
We've all been funneled into a handful of sites, you know,

(22:19):
X and Meta and Amazon and Netflix and even that's
the I mean I didn't really buy into I mean
I I I understood the theory, but I didn't buy
into it until I actually had two ais fighting in
my mention from polar opposite sides of a topic, and
it just actually I was just like, holy shit, this

(22:41):
is what they're talking about now, where most of the
interactions you have online or AI or at least scripted,
and now it's like you have to go find real
people to connect with because it's you just realize that
you have been manipulated. We're going to buy these accounts.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think we're already craving it. People are already. If
you read Twitter, there's a bunch of people every day saying, man,
don't you miss the old days when people had real
relationships and stuff. I mean, look, it's great that we
can connect with these communities that we never would have
been able to and all that fine, but people already
do miss. People already do miss the more genuine, in person,

(23:19):
authentic and that's only that Craving's only going to get
deeper as we get further and further away from it.
Everything's cyclical anyway, there's always some snapback or backlash or
whatever the fuck you want.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Brad and I talked about this often on the Culture Shift,
and you know, and how it was streaming. There's no
more water cooler moments. Yeah, there's no water cooler shows.
Nobody's watching Oh hey, did you check out that science?
But you don't have that interaction at work where everybody
was watching the same shows. Now it's just so diluted
in diffuse. You know, some people are watching, you know,
Rings of Power, much to their dismay. Some people were

(23:55):
watching old reruns of fucking Tales of the Gold Monkeys,
some people, you know whatever, and nobody's very few people
are watching the same show. And there's very few shows
that have that oh my god, did you see this moment?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Anymore? How about oh my god, this new CD came
out and you just fucking burn the shit out of
that thing for a year because it's like, yeah, it's great.
I can go on Spotify listen to any song ever made.
But how special was it when that CD and you
and your friends go to the store and get it
the day it came out, and it was it was
so special and you would play it over and over

(24:28):
and over again because you didn't have access to the
other eight billion songs.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
It's only been out a year and I'm already on
my third cassette of Cult Electric.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
But what you said about the Internet already, you know,
consolidating down. That's happened with every industry, and I know
a lot of it. Not to get political, is you know,
governments kind of regulated the little guy out of existence.
But if you look at banking, you look at pharmaceuticals,
you look at insurance, we're all using the same five banks.
We're all using the same five insurance companies. We're all

(24:57):
using you know what I mean. When I was a kid,
there was eight hundred banks. Every town had a regional bullshit.
I know some of them is still around, but all
that's going away. There is no more little guy diversity playing.
It's it's these are the five big players, and ninety
percent of humanity only interacts with those five big boys.

(25:25):
Where's your bank account here?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I was thinking of a bow on your financial.

Speaker 7 (25:32):
Wait, that's what's going off on the field.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I was just thinking, welcome to Boner Financial.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right, trade some corn? Come trade your corn at Boner Financial.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Oh man, this has been such an awesome conversation tonight.
I think we really done very well and it it's
been very well rounded, and we stayed on topic without
going down some you know, really super crazy rabbit holes either.
I've really had a good time so far.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah. Someone just said in the chat, I remember those
CDs replacing vinylin tapes and friends complaining about the loss
of warmth and non analog recordings. Yeah, it's so true.
Every time, it's always there's a there's a term for
it that I've been accused of a lot and I
can't remember, but yeah, everyone's always like the good old days.
It's always rememberedalgic. Yeah, it's the nostalgic. And there's a

(26:34):
term where people fuck. I wish I could think of
what the term is, but it's a default thing where
even beyond nostalgia, where everybody looks at the new shit
as inferior. It's always these kids don't have no idea, right,
how much better X y Z was. We're the better generation,

(26:57):
these kids are, but no generation has not thought that
about the one that came after them, TVs ruining their brains.
Video games it was, you know, when we were a kid,
it was Nintendo's.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Got Dragons satanic.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, and now it's like people are sitting on their
fucking smartphone twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I did not think we would end up where we're
at today thirty years ago, dude.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
I honestly really thought we would be like like exploring
deep space and stuff. By now, I'm just being real.
It's like it's like we had we had this like
ginormous technological explosion and then it just went.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Mah well, somebody pointed out YouTube. But it's interesting. Someone
just pointed out, we can't even save these guys off
this fucking space station. And we went to the moon
fucking in the sixties, Like, didn't they think by twenty
twenty four, yeah, we'd be zipping round and and uh.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
I was promised flying cars, right my flying cars.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
Dude, I don't even want the flying car I don't
even I don't even care about that. I mean, the
flying car would be awesome. But what I want, especially
now that i'm you know, learning to be single again,
which is a lot harder of a process than I thought,
I want Rosie the Maid, because yeah, my life sucks, dude.
All I do is I work, I clean, and I sleep.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Negative if my Rosie can look like Catherine Winning. Somebody
pointed out too, and it's true, just to your point
that you just made, which is, aside from computers, that
we have not advanced at all almost you know, we're
still using the same medications, the same anti products, the
same pain killer. We're Yeah, we've advanced with surgeries and

(28:49):
some sort of like gene therapy and ship but the
same basically combustion engines up until these electric cars. If
you look around, yeah, where there's no flying vehicles and
all that shit. Every every major advancement is based on
computer technology and internet, which is boomed, but nothing else

(29:13):
is boomed. We're using the same trains, we're using the
same planes. Right, We're building then it really well, we're
building houses and buildings the same like every other thing
we make is pretty much the same, even though it's
a little fancier version.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
And even computers aren't advancing that much anymore. I mean,
there's somebody who builds computers.

Speaker 10 (29:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
It's basically the only thing that's driving the advancements of computers,
or at least your people buying the new hardware is
fomo and it's I mean emory.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
The memory gets right, the storage.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
Well even that's not that. I mean, it's getting cheaper,
but it's not getting that much bigger or better. I
mean it's and even like I mean to use an example,
Windows eleven. You know, okay, so hey, here's this new
advanced We're on Windows eleven. Now you still have to
go into Windows seven control panel, which is in it.
If you actually want to make a significant change to
your computer, you can't use the Windows eleven control panel

(30:12):
because it doesn't actually make the change. I mean, it
makes a surface change. But if you like, hey, I
don't want this bit of hardware to ever be recognized
by my computer again because it's fucking up my soundboard,
you have to go into the Windows which the whole
thing is just built on top of Windows seven. It's
like reskinning. You have, like you know, call of duty
you know, twenty is the same as Call of Duty

(30:33):
twenty five. The only difference is Mad year. Yeah, Madden
every year. It's just reskinned.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
So it's well, here's scary thought. What if the dumbing
of civilization is that is occurring? And I'm sorry, you
will never convince me it's not a purposeful dumbing of
civilizations is because we're waiting for the next quantum computing

(31:00):
step to run the simulation better. And I ironically, I
just had this revelation that it would fallow into my
twenty thirty five theory, that we're just trying to get
to twenty thirty five so we get the next upgrade.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, what the technology has done is it's even though
it's limited to this one little realm, it's bled into
every aspect of our lives. So tonight, for example, I
ordered dinner on my phone, right and some guy showed
up with fucking Latin food at my house twenty minutes later.

(31:35):
You know what I mean. Like back in the day,
you have to pick up the phone. You can get
pizza or Chinese. That would have to.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
Push twelve buttons and hopefully get somebody on the other end.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, and I hop in my car tomorrow, and I
don't have to know where I'm going because I could
just slap my GPS on and just follow whatever the
fuck it tells me to do. And I don't have
to talk to people. I can just text them instead.
And so like every aspect of our daily life has
been altered by the tech, and it has made us,

(32:06):
for sure more lacks of daisical about the shit, and
less engaged. It requires much less effort to do so
many things. And before getting the food would have been
more effort. Driving somewhere with a map would have been
more effort. Everything everything we do, communicating with communication required

(32:28):
real effort, not sending abbreviations and emojis to somebody pressing
a couple buttons. How many times do you talk on
the phone to people anymore? Even people don't even answer
their phones. No, I rarely do, dode. I hate on
the phone, right, No, it's great, it's great that we

(32:49):
don't have to, but I'm saying it's for sure, even
in that limited realm. But yeah, I used to sell
home theater back in early two thousands, like twenty years ago,
you know, flat screen, back when plasmas were ten grand
and all that shit. And yeah, we had like I
think it was called the Clide Escape and it was
like if you wanted like a half a terabyte of storage.

(33:10):
It was it was the size of like I don't
even know what to compare it to. It was a
big fucking box. It was a big, heavy black box
and it was like five thousand dollars. And yeah, now
my little phone has you know, a terabyte on it.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
Now now you get a terabyte free with your one drive.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Subscription, right.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
Well, so Stephen in the chat brings up an interesting
point because I think this is another thing that is
it has started to stimy everything. Bureaucracy is in a
lot of ways limited innovation. I mean, look at what
we're talking about right now, because we talk about all
the things that we don't have, but we don't talk
about the things that have been created that had been
shelved because nobody wants us to have access to them.
Because I remember a story from I believe it was

(33:54):
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, where somebody in Israel had built
an engine that ran on water and would separate the oxygen.
The oxygen goes out the tailpipe and the car runs
on hydrogen.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
I remember that, and where did that go? They were
running cars off fucking fry grease from McDonald's. And and
by the way, a lot of people will tell you
that they could have made electric cars one hundred years ago. Uh,
they just they obviously the auto lobby was against the
actually did they did?

Speaker 8 (34:24):
They did? The auto was against it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I mean, I mean it could have taken over the
way it is now a long long time ago. It's
not like that's some new tech. The only real advancement
we made, I think is in the battery storage. But
we would have gotten there if it if that industry
had started generating that kind of competition.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
But I mean that's needed, the battery, the battery structure.
We would have invented it in the twenties.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, for real. I mean that's the only
real preventative. But the electric car technology is nothing that's
you know, no.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
It's basically it's a scaled up our sea car, right right,
And we've had those for seventy years.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
I mean, that's my exact point. Everything that the green
lobby is pushing technology that we've had since the sixties.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
We've had electric golf carts for the longest time, too.
That's the exact same shit. I mean, that's really a
good You're getting a golf cart. You hit the gas
that you know, that straight torque that's been going on.
It's been going on a long time riding those. When
we were little kids, they had electric golf carts. You
just plug them in and it's the exact same thing
as a tesla, just smaller scale. Yeah, I'm with you.

(35:39):
We haven't advanced that much, but we've all become way
more aware. That's the biggest difference, you know. That's what
the Internet is really exposed. Everybody kind of knows a
little bit about everything now. We were all very sheltered.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Yeah, we've all become what my granddad used to jacks.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Of all trades. Yeah, but what did they say, like
knowledge a mile wide and an inch deep or something
like that. Everybody when we were younger, it was like
you if you didn't go visit a place or read
a book about a place, you didn't know shit. Everyone
in their region kind of was limited to what was
going on in their town, and from from trends to fashions,

(36:25):
to the language people use, to music and movies. Like
you said, there was it was. It was you know,
half the world was watching the Seinfeld finale or whatever.
It's like we all just had these few things, and uh,
that's what's really changed. Everybody is exposed to just fucking everything,

(36:45):
but people don't even use it. You would have thought
if you would have told people thirty years ago, hey,
you can have this device where you can read anything
you can, you can read any book you can. But like,
people don't take advantage of it the way I bet
they would have thought that. We would be.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
No, they definitely, no, not one bit.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
Well, it's like, you know, your phone can translate almost
any language in real time. Nobody bothers to take it
out and do that though, right, yeah, we're carrying a
Babelfish in our pocket and still is like, you know what,
I'd rather just go what?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, I use it for measure.

Speaker 8 (37:27):
We literally we have the twenty first century equivalent of
a universal translator, and everybody would just like to say
what instead? So weird.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
But and you know, I think, to Jeff's point with
his twenty thirty five theory too, it is just waiting
for the next patch because we do seem to have
stag I mean, technologically, everything looks new and shiny. But
we've pretty much stagnated the last fifteen years. I think
at least the last ten for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
We haven't created a new antibiotic in like fifty six
years or some shit like that's a scary thing. We
don't We're not doing all kinds of stuff. If you
I would have thought we'd have cured cancer by now,
all kinds of shit. We none of it. I mean
maybe we always go it's coming, it's coming, We're gonna
have it done soon.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
But it's like, yeah, let's because they figured out they
could make more money off the promise of doing it
than actually doing it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Like you have a headache, here you go take the
same shit people were taking in nineteen sixty eight, Like
we're what are we doing? Where's all those other advancements.

Speaker 8 (38:30):
Sitting on a shelf somewhere under lock and key again to.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Keep out money though, right, I mean that's what drives everything,
isn't it. They can sell you a new phone every year.
They know that, so they're going to keep making the
phones better. But I don't know. Listen, if someone could
fucking cure migraines and shit, they would be they would
be the most successful human on earth. That shit blows

(38:57):
my mind. It's like imagine being the guy that really
cured headaches.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
But that's just it. Though. Western medicine isn't about the
cure anymore, it hasn't been for a long time. It's
about the symptom because they make more money at leave
eating the symptoms than wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
They do with the disease. But the headache is his symptom.
That's why the headache thing always kills me, because people
still would get headaches. But now you could have a
pill that is guaranteed to work, because you know how
many people suffer from migraines. And they are like, I've
tried everything, and certainly ivory profen and that' shit. That's
et cetera. I mean, it works sometimes it works, okay,

(39:33):
but imagine advocating to get rid of women. Listen, I'm
a fucking headache sufferer. If there was a pill that
just worked every time, it's the only pill anybody would
ever buy. So it's silly they don't do that. But
I do hear you when it comes to cancer and shit, yeah,
the money's in the treatment, not the cure for sure,
and heart disease and everything, but it is crazy. We

(39:54):
haven't figured it out. And I always think future humans
are gonna look at us the way we look at
medieval times. People dying of ear impections, We're paralyzation. They're
gonna go people were They're gonna think that we were
walking around scared all day of dying of cancer, having

(40:15):
a heart attack. They're gonna go, these people were break
their bones, break your back time, and giving a pill
for kidney dialysis.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
Well that's what I was about to say, is that
that that whole scene from Star Trek four where he's
like walking through the hospital and he's like, what are
you in for? And he's looking at this chart and
she's like, oh, I'm about to have to undergo dialysis.
He's like, what is this? The dark ages taking this?
And he's like walking down the hall of like thirty
seconds later, she's screaming and yelling.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
He cured me.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
He cured me, Yeah, like I grew a new kidney.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
They're gonna think it's insane that people were in wheelchairs
in twenty twenty four. They're gonna go, wait, you you
broke your spine and you just you're like it's just
now didn't work again? Like they're gonna think that was
fucking crazy and that we were really living in some
rough times. But we just kind of I'm sure the
people living in eighteen hundred weren't walking around freaking out

(41:04):
that they might die of strep throat, but they might
tuberculosis or whatever they would get.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
What did they call that action from a splinter? Nice
knowing you there.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Was a different name for tuberculosis. It was called consumption.
They were all dying of consumption back then.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yeah, you've got the humors are out of alignment in
your I'll make up some you know, only I'll cure
it this prenology.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, we are very primitive if you look at a
big picture. We got a lot of fancy things and
fancy devices, but we're really very primitive from like a
health and wellness standpoint for sure.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
Which if we getting back to the main topic, if
we are in a simulation, that means we're still in
the early game.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, and we don't understand any of this. We don't
understand the human brain. They're just trying to map that
now for the first time. We don't understand anything. We
all these mental illnesses that we give labels to, like
we don't even understand them. We have medications that treat
the symptoms, and it's a band aid that mass the symptoms,
but we can't fix it because we don't even know
what's causing it. This guy is bipolar. This guy's got

(42:25):
fucking you know what I mean, the schizophrenic. It's like,
what is schizophrenic? They go, I don't know, but take
these pills and you'll stop hearing the voices as much.
We'll just be a fucking zombie. Like we don't even
know what we're treating.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
I mean, it's just well no, I mean not really.
But back to something already was saying a second ago.
I think if we are in a simulation, I think
the closest we're probably as far as being in a
simulation technology wise, would be like Atari twenty six hundred
because of how broken it all seems to be. But

(43:04):
I don't know. I just know that there there's just
too many things that just seem completely out of whack
and disjointed now. And it's like I said, there's time
and it's it's happens to me all the time. I'll
wake up from from you know, I rarely sleep anyway.
I'm an insomniac. So normally when I do sleep, it's
really deep. But if it's only for a couple hours,
and when I get into that kind of sleep, when

(43:25):
I start waking up. I've even noticed that sometimes the
room around me looks different. I'm like, why does it?
It's it's impossible to explain. I mean, it's not it's
not as like the Neo scene where he's suddenly seeing
everything in binary coding, but it just everything has like
this weird animation feel to it, and I'm like, what
the hell? And I've noticed that more and more I's.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Be similar to that that girl coming out of the
Shroom trip. And Mickey and I talked a lot about
sleeping and dreaming too. You know, you're it's like you
are entering a different realm. You can. The fact that
we can lay down at night, close our eyes and
be on some wild, crazy journey that we believe is
real is way stranger than any acid trip or any

(44:10):
DMT trip or anything you could take. We're creating the
most detailed, vivid world that we can't even discern from reality.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
And yeah, well you and I talked about it too.
It's like, you know you're in this dream and all
of a sudden, you're like talking to this person that
you've never seen before, but you know everything about them, right.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So when we first come out of that, there is
that part of waking up where it's we're half in
one world half in the other. And that's always a
very strange experience, like what you're talking about, But yeah,
that's always weird for me too. It's that it's like
I'm still there, but I'm in the real place and
I'm not sure which is real, and it's still bleeding

(44:49):
over a little and once you get up and you
kind of fully wake up, it's gone. You can't access
it at all. But I get what you're saying. You're
viewing your reality different for a.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
Minute, and it's very disorienting.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I will say that, Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I like it though. I like that stage. I like
it when I'm just kind of first dozing off and
I can kind of control it a little bit, and
then when I'm first waking up. I like that in between.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Dreaming aspect, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
You can just be aware of It's like, oh, I'm
aware of this world, whereas when you're in a dream,
you're not aware you're in a dream, unless it's the
lucid dream like you're saying, but you wake up, you go,
I can't just have a dream. But yeah, I like
you can kind of see it and feel it.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
It's very cool, and I know we're running out of time.
I can't quit thinking about that girl on that shoom
prip though. I had a very similar experience several years ago.
I was at a pool party with a bunch of
girls and we were having a good time, and then
we were all true and I ended up breaking off

(46:00):
from the festivities imagine that, you know, and going off
on my own. Because I don't know what even happened.
I had some kind of epiphany. Man, I don't remember.
I can't explain it, but there was like this just
this feeling of enormous relief as I was coming back,

(46:21):
and as I was coming back, my biggest takeaway from
whatever it is it was revealed to me on this
this whimsical journey was that none of this matters. And
I would not stop saying that that I was excited
about it at it.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Listen. She she also broke off from the group and
went off alone, and when she came back, that's when
She was like, this is some sort of game. What
is this? Fucking ants the same thing?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Same just comes man almost as yeahal scenario with her
and I.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, it's just like coming out of that dream where
you're seeing this reality with fresh eyes rather than just
being so deep in the forest that you can't you
can't see the trees, right.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
You know.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
It's funny as while you guys are talking about that's
something I hadn't thought about and got almost thirty years
just popped into my head when I was at the
Dead Shows up at Sholine Amphitheater, and a friend of
mine and I we just decided we need to take
a break. We'd had enough beer, we'd had enough drugs.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Thick. By the way, can I just say that that's
such a sick venue and that you saw the Dead
there is fucking ridiculous? Okay, God, it was fucking awesome.

Speaker 7 (47:36):
It absolutely was. I actually broke a rib there while
we were playing King of the Mountain throwing each other
down a hill and hit a sprinkler head. But I
was on acid, so what else do you expect? But anyway,
so get the point is we're sitting there on acid.
He just he just stops from it and he's all,
does everything outside the other side of the car window
look like a TV show? And we just sat there
and pondered that for like an hour and a half.

(47:56):
And it was because you know, at the time, this
was pretty much I mean, yeah, the word video game.
It was pretty much before PC gaming. And you know,
when you're still thinking of everything in sn e S
terms or you know, Second Genesis terms, you know, saying
it looks like a video game wouldn't have made sense,
but you know, just like does everything does that look
like a TV show? And then we just started watching
the whole crowd like it was a TV show, and

(48:17):
like the same experience was like we broke off and
realized nothing outside the car was real.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, it's the same. Well because even even listen when
we used to do a lot of that ship back
in the day, when you're fully tripping your face off,
you you aren't here, You're you're you really are in
touch with that whatever it is in the universe. You're

(48:45):
you feel the connectivity of everything, you feel that it's
this whole other thing, and it's like just like a dream. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know, you're talking to your soul.
You're talking to something. So yeah, when you come back,
this is just seems so trite and like basic, and
I like, I just understood the meaning of life and

(49:07):
now I'm back in this weird, little basic bullshit. There's
a depressed I remember feeling depressed about that a lot
coming off the trips and stuff. It's like, oh, this
is so all, this is so dumb.

Speaker 8 (49:21):
I don't cut down to cut into this, but lending
lending credence to who are we living in a simulation?
This just came up in a breaking news feed on
a computer pop up on my something kind of alarming.
This should the universe shouldn't actually exist for Popular Mechanics.

(49:43):
Apparently it's been a story. It's been a story for
three weeks. But because we've been talking about it, my
computer just said, hey, you want to read this.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I think our ship I covered it on Lost Wonderer.
By the way, our device is to listen to us.
I actually do think that there's there's too many samples
of that happening for sure.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
No, but you know, talking about Popular Mechanics because I
did drop an article in the showroom about the scientist
who believes that he's proven that we are in a
simulation because he calls it the second law of infodynamics,
because he believes information is the fifth force in the
University of and much like how the universe is really

(50:25):
not experiencing the heat death that we thought it would
at the rate we would that there is not a
maximum level of entropy, then the same thing with information
is that if we're in a simulation, then it would
require compression and energy management to keep the process or
cycles down in such a way that we are not
experiencing the information death. That the entropy of information the

(50:47):
way that we should be doing as well, because everything
has a level of entropy to it.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Right. That's interesting, Mickey, were you saying something before about
Does you say something else about the shroom thing? I
think we touched off there.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Oh, there's just gotta be something to it. You know,
when you break through that realm, when when you're frying,
all kinds of shit starts making sense on these epically
celestial levels. Right, and we get to that other side,
and it's like we're speaking another language. We can't take
back to this realm with us.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You can.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Everything that we knew and understood on that other side.
And that blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
It's so frustrating, that feeling, because it's like, wait, I understood, Yes,
it's I understood it all, and I can't even It's
like you have this profound thought in your head and
you just yeah, you can't communicate it to anybody or
even to yourself. It's like trying to fully remember that
dream later in the day.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Maybe that's how you Maybe that's how you want to
plug out of the simulation.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, that's what I think we're doing. I think when
we dream at night and when we take acid or
shrooms or whatever, I think we are unplugging from what
this is and we're experiencing the underlying reality. And then
that's why when we come back we can't even articulate it.
It's ineffable.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
As they say, Man, that second hour just flew by two.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
I know, right, we're actually almost at it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, it's a great commo guys, Thank you, thanks for
having me on. Sorry for talking so fucking.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
Much, jump right in anytime.

Speaker 8 (52:38):
We like it when other people talk besides us, we
do this all the time.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Two years in the making.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
And worth the weight. Yeah, I wish we'd have done
it sooner, but it's been worth the wait.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
I'm kind of glad we didn't because we've actually developed
more information and grown a little bit on the topic,
and the topic has grown in information on it too.
So Plus, you know, Mickey and I have been talking
about you, and we talk about back and forth quite
often that we have more anecdotal experiences to reinforce our

(53:09):
opinion of it.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
You're a real glass half fool guy. I wish I am.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I brilliant, We're always, I'm very up, We're always learning,
We're always If I look at myself ten years ago,
I think I was an idiot for sure. Always that's
how it should be.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
We're always advice tattoos.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
Yeah, I'll just go out and don't just go out
and get a tattoo. Remember what you were into ten
years ago, you were fucking more on. Can you imagine
if you'd gotten the tattoo?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Then well, that's why I have no tattoos. It's the
two reasons that and because I just I'm too ocd
and it wouldn't be exactly right, and I'd be like
it needs to move a centimeter to the fucking But yeah,
I go, there's nothing I could think that I get
that I would just know. For yeah, look at everyone
that has a tribal on their bicep or a tramp
stamp above their ass. Like, imagine if you fell into

(53:58):
the tramp stamp or tribal friends and you just have
that barb. If any of you have it, I apologize,
but imagine you just have that barb tribal around your
bicap your whole life. It's like, oh, you got that
nineteen ninety two, Okay.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
All right.

Speaker 7 (54:12):
I was just gonna say, you can timestamp exactly when
they got.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
That a few years one hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (54:19):
For me, it's it's not even the tattoos, right because
technology has kind of come along ways with that. So
if there's something you get that you decide was dumb,
it's painful, but you can have it undone now. The
one that really tripped me out, and it was like
late nineties, early two thousands, was when they started doing
the branding stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I was like, you, the fraternities are still do it,
the black ones, especially black fraternities still do that hardcore.

Speaker 8 (54:44):
You have got to be insane to do that.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Well, now we're cutting our own dicks off.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Yeah, well yeah, right, that's joining a whole difference, soroory.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
How about the uh how about the ear those ear gauges,
the fucking earring where they would stretch their ear about.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Yeah, brothers got that ship.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah they still You see people that still have that
dangly globe from like they can. There is a surgery
that corrects it. But even still, it doesn't look like
you're permanently.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
You prolapsed your whole.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Those were so big back in the day you could
stick your whole finger through that thing.

Speaker 8 (55:25):
All right, guys, well, believe it or not, this is
we are actually about to be overtime. So we're gonna
start with the guests first, starting with the when we
drug out a retirement to do the show. Mickey, where
can folks find you?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
You guys can find me on Twitter at Mickey Blowtords
being an asshole and causing Shenanigans.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
You shenanigans. Never speaking of this is now contractually required.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy
that says Shenanigans.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
All right, and Jeff, where can folks find you?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Stoner Brewing Co? Over on Twitter?

Speaker 12 (56:06):
Sunday night, eight pm Eastern, I will be reviewing episode
two of season two of Ranks of Power Monday Night
with the One the Only Aggie Reekin with our once
a month book podcast, Spirited Books, starting at Aggie Time
eight thirty pm Eastern and then next Sunday My Space
and Science Show, The Lost Wonderer Podcast.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
And John Where can folks find you?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
You can find me on my pods pods now plural.
I got the John Cats Show which is on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
all that stuff. Just search John Cats Show. And I
am also ongoing Mental every other Friday with mister Rick Robinson.
One will be coming up this coming Friday, and hit

(56:53):
me up on Twitter, John Cats seven nine And for
my more exclusive content trading Corn dot Com t r
A d Apostrophe Corn. That's your only fans trade and Corn.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
Yeah, just tell them the truth that you're only fans.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Self explanatory with the content involves and honest.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
Where can folks find you?

Speaker 7 (57:18):
This week? You can find me on man Rama on
Rank or Steve's Rumble channel. You can find me on
the ER's YouTube channel as well. Uh that's on Tuesday
night Wednesday night. You can find me with you on
Rick and Already at.

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Uh doesn't stop you.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
Yeah, providing work doesn't get in the way this week.
That sucked last week. Uh, Thursday, you can find me
on Culture Shift with Brad Schlager, our deep dive with
our skeptical eye into the entertainment industry. Uh that's it
for next week or this week. Next week the main
change is Wednesday with Fubar pullit a Bunny on food
Bar and uh, back with you in two weeks and

(57:57):
we'll find me on Twitter. Unfortunately, as Yoder's creto, hopefully
those irons I have in the fire worked to getting
Ordnance Pas crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Are still banned. Dude, Holy shit, what did you even say?
It was nothing?

Speaker 7 (58:09):
Okay, Yeah. The two things I said that got me
band was one of them. I was talking about Austin
Peterson and I said that if John McAfee was still alive,
he alive, he had pistol whip him for what a
grifter to wad he's become. And the other one was
when I read an article about Hamas using an IDF
dog in mocked up attacking a Palestinian woman and then

(58:32):
killing the dog and booby trapping it for when IDF soldiers,
I said, Glassgowt fuckers, it's so say pretty came by
Twitter standards.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, Jakefield, his assholes can just rant all day about
whatever the fuck, and that you get perma band for
that shit is insane. Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
So but yeah, hopefully, I I said, I've got some
irons on the fire that may get Ordnance back and
we'll see fingers crossed. All Rick, can people not find you?

Speaker 8 (59:04):
You wanna say, that's a much shorter list, especially these days.
All Right, So tomorrow night I'll be back on here
America Off the Rails, nine thirty Eastern. I think I
think we're still divining up Al's air time. I don't
think it comes back till like October. And then Monday,
well actually Tuesday through Friday. This coming week I'll be
doing the Provinces show that is now one pm to

(59:26):
three pm Eastern, and then Wednesday night I do whatever
with Stacey and then produce for the Conservative Curmudgeon, and
then produce for you and Fou and then you and
I finish off the night Thursday, Gen and Rick ten
pm Eastern Friday, back around doing he said, she said,
with aguyykin because somebody's in retirement, just kidding, Mickey. And

(59:47):
then Saturday night I'll be producing for front Porch Forensics
and then back around doing America Off the Rails again.
When I'm not doing all that, you can find me
as a contributor on Twitter dot com, Misfitspolitics dot com,
and the Optics Party dot com. And I also produced
the Lots Party podcast which usually drops on Tuesdays, and
you can find me on most social media platforms at

(01:00:07):
rowdy Rick seventy three. And I am also the news
director for Digital Beacon US. Because you know, I didn't
have enough to do, but uh yeah, so there, there
we have it. I think that's all of it. If not,
that's enough of it, all right. I'd like to thank
everybody for hanging out with us tonight. We actually nearly

(01:00:30):
broke four hundred gents and guys.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
It was absolutely great having you. We got to do
this to get on another topic or this topic again
sometime let's say, probably hopefully sooner than two years.

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
But you never know, you never know. It's the matrix.
It's the matrix. It's fault. Speaking of the matrix, my
dumb ass forgot to unmute the speaker feed. So I'll
be putting the podcast version up in just a few minutes.
The non video version anyway, Bye everybody. We're just going
to break with random stuff because are going out random
stuff because I forgot to cue something. See you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Take time