Juxtober Episode 3 10-18-25 Winged Harbingers: The Monsters That Come from the Sky

The forests hid beasts. The deep hid Leviathans. But the sky has always hidden judgment. From the Mothman of Point Pleasant to the Black Bird of Chernobyl and the winged figures over Chicago, the same red-eyed watcher returns whenever disaster is near. Are these warnings from something above—or projections of fear made flesh?

In Week 3 of Juxtober, Juxtaposition looks up and asks: What if our omens are of our own making?

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (02:22):
Bear with us for just a moment, because something went
sideways on me and I didn't catch it till just now.

Speaker 8 (02:29):
Twice.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well that was something else. But yeah, I completely remove
one of the intro. They removed the intro.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
So here we go.

Speaker 9 (02:48):
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my Mother's.

Speaker 10 (03:08):
History, Storry, Sun sol.

Speaker 11 (03:13):
Serial sixty Wisdom, Beautiful Sightingaunting.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Alright, this is not my fault this time, because I
reset everything right before we launched. But anyway, I'm just
gonna play an old school and so we can get started,

(04:05):
all right, So it seems like we can't have a
jett Stober without gremlins and lots of them.

Speaker 12 (04:09):
But we're here, we're live, and.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
In the words of Bill O'Reilly just kidding, all right,
we're here. It's Saturday night, it's j October. We are
into week three of the Cryptids, So ask what ask Cayley,
you're doing almus, I'm a little frustrated over here now.
I tried to make sure all of this was tight
and then it still went just.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
Kidding, fuck it, we're doing it live.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's kind of how I feel right now.

Speaker 8 (04:32):
Yeah, that's weird, And yeah, we always have to have
some gremlin We had them at the end of last
week too.

Speaker 12 (04:40):
Well.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I mean it's so even with a new router, I've
noticed I still have some sort of a packet loss issues.
So I really need to get on the phone with
somebody out over there and figure out exactly what's going on.
But uh, but it's weird. It's like some nights it's
worse than others. And it wasn't being it wasn't being
super cranky. But I went ahead and restarted anyway, thinking, hey,
we should probably be able to get through the whole

(05:02):
two hours without there being an issue, and yeah, so
I'm gonna try to do something real quick. So hopefully
when we start playing the music breaks and stuff later,
they actually work, because otherwise I'm gonna be angry one second. Sorry,
I was trying to.

Speaker 8 (05:23):
As soon as we went live too. I had to
prove I was a human on Twitter.

Speaker 9 (05:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So things are gonna get a little weird for a
second because I'm just gonna completely redo the IP in
case I've got a conflict somewhere, So everybody hanging out
for like twenty seconds.

Speaker 8 (05:39):
It's gonna get weird. And the way you're the weirdest
thing of all is it still hasn't gotten weird enough
for me. But yeah, gremlins because even looking at the chat,
hey we're back to anyway, looking at the chat, I
was frozen on the very first screen, so everything's getting funky. Alright,

(06:05):
shut up. I was hearing a minute.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh good, I think another random thing, so hang on,
let me fix it. Okay, So I think we're good now.
I think we should be at least for a little while.
I may have to do it again. I'll break all right.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
Yeah, the live chat is actually okay, there we go.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, it'll take a second, it'll take a second.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
Yeah, because the live chat was still showing the first
intro before we anyway, but we're good now, everything's good,
everything's fine. Now, how are you?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I was doing all right until the Grimlins hit, But no,
I'm I mean, I guess I'm all right. I actually too.
I didn't really mean to, but I wound up taking
most of the day off today. I woke up and
my roommate was in my room and was completely disoriented
and had no idea where she was, so I had
to call an ambulance. So it was fun. And then
other than that, I kind of just did probably not

(06:59):
much of anything because I was exhausted after dealing with
all that first thing in the morning.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
So hey, for me, I thought you were going to
handle that problem.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I tried, it keeps coming back, Okay, Yeah, dude, She
like she like found another couple to move in with.
Then was all like I'm so excited and blah blah blah.
They threw her out after a week, okay, and then
it was well, can I come back for a week
to go through my stuff and start figuring out how

(07:31):
to move And then she's pretty much been in the
hospital for other than the last two weeks for like
two and a half months, so it's been Yeah. She
she wound up breaking both of her feet somehow, but
she's got well she had charcoal foot in one, so
that makes your bones really brittle. Now it turns out
she's got that in the other one. So they had
her in a rehab center for a while until her
insurance ran out, and uh yeah, and then she came

(07:54):
home for about a week and a half and now
she's back at the hospital again because she can't take
care of Okay, fun times.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
You're a better man than I am, mister Robinson, or
just more insane. Yeah, we're both no h So So anyway,
we're doing the uh I, we're doing the the sky.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
We we gotta we gotta do this right because we
haven't we haven't done. We haven't done the first part yet.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
So okay, juxta position.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So if you're just joining us for week three, you
missed week one and week two. Week one was more
of the the less common land cryptids. Week two was
cryptids of the water. This week is gonna be cryptids
of the Air vari which for some reason I had
kind of blocked from my memory that there were because
you were like, we're gonna do air cryptids. I'm like,
we're gonna do what? And then you started naming a

(08:56):
couple of us. Oh yeah, I don't know. I guess
air cryptids kind of scare me. I guess more than.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
And that's the thing is that they're they're the most
terrifying of all really well, I mean they're all kind
of scary. Like I said, I have a healthy respect
for deep water and yeah, water cryptids, but those are
those are I mean a lot of the a lot
of the ones we talked about anyway, were you know,
fresh water, and fresh water doesn't really bug me until

(09:27):
you like really really deep like Tahoe. Then that's like okay,
you know, that's like you know, abyss ship there, but
when you ship away the trees in the water and
there's nothing left to hide behind the air cryptos because
it's like, you know, it's I remember the old you
know horror movie based on one of the ones we're

(09:48):
doing tonight that it was really like eighties schlock horror,
but it was, uh, they would hide in the sun,
not like in the sun itself, but like they would
always move to where when you know, you couldn't see
them in the sky because they would use the sun
is camouflage, you know, and h or you know, and

(10:09):
the clouds and stuff, and it's just that, I mean,
it's a visceral terror, you know. It's I think like
going back to when we were lemurs and shit of
you know, the evolutionary nightmare of prey being caught in
the clearing, you know, and every civilization has given shape

(10:29):
to that, you know, between harpies and thunderbirds, angels and gargoyles.
The idea that something owns the skies above us is
it's older than religion.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Maybe it wasn't on the right side of notes, yeah,
but yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
But anyway, the modern ones, you know, they all have
these enormous wingspans, you know, sometimes twelve fifteen feet across,
and movement that defies the mechanics of anything that we
know that flies. They glide without flapping. The hunters in
Alaska talk too fast for eagles, too quiet for planes,

(11:16):
and Texas ranchers find cattle clustered at the fence line,
staring upward. Yeah, the details shift with the area, but
every account ends the same, you know, fear paralysis and
the feeling of being observed when there's nothing around you
but the wind. You know, the fear of the sky
is just a whole different species of terror. It doesn't

(11:38):
come from what you see, but from what you can't.
You know, on lind you can track prints, you know,
the water, you can see something bubbling up. The air
leaves no evidence. You know, something can pass over your
house every night, and you'd never know it until the day,
until the time you look up at the wrong moment.
And then there's the arc type man shaped, black figure

(12:03):
with wings.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, so speaking of In Point Pleasant nineteen sixty six,
two young couples racing down Route sixty two see a
figure with wings unfold in the headlights, red eyes, grayskin,
impossible speed by all accounts. By week's in more than
one hundred locals report the very same thing. The creature's
name Mothman becomes a shorthand for these strange convergence of

(12:29):
panic and prophecy. A year later, the Silver Bridge collapses,
forty six dead, and then the legend fused itself into
catastrophe forever. Skeptics called it mass hysteria. Yet similar stories
were already surfacing across the map in the early seventies,
Alaska's bush pilots reported shaped pacing their cessnas matching altitude

(12:50):
without instruments. In Pennsylvania, miners told of dark silhouettes that
were perched on slag in before an explosion onunderground. No
one connected them at the time, but the symmetry is
uncanny apparition warning deadly collapse.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
You know, the moth Man appeared again in twenty eleven,
you know, over the tarmac in at O'Hare Airport in Chicago.
Police scatch logs mentioned large a large airborne humanoid. Airport
workers filmed the black shape folding its wings beside a
surface service hangar. The clip disappeared. I remember watching this
clip too, and it like disappeared immediately from the internet,

(13:35):
but dozens of people swore they saw it, and whether
the video was lost or pulled, the rumors spread faster
than any official denial, and Chicago became the new point pleasant.
You know, it was just rebooted in the forest and
lights of an airport.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So what unsettles researchers with all of this stuff isn't
the sightings themselves, it's their timing. The creatures appear in
the liminal window between calm and disaster, as if drawn
to entropy, a bridge about the fall, a reactor about
the rupture, a city on the edge of panic. It's
almost as if the phenomenon sniffs out structural weakness physical

(14:10):
or psychological and materializes two feed on the tension, which
is which does so this is common with all of
their legends, though these things basically become harbor harbingers of doom.
I like that what was that fish we were talking
about last week that when it washes up, people are like,
oh my god, the world ending, because it's usually a

(14:32):
very very deep water fish and pretty huge. Yeah, yeah,
it's the.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it either, but
it was just like this blob that you know, it's
like it has elements of being a whale carcass, but
you where's the rest of the whale And usually this
is the bits that sea creatures would feed on, so
it shouldn't have made it to shore, so they think
it's something else.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
But yeah, it's okay with it, you know.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
Put we's all just framed this as periodalia at scale. Yah,
humanity is projecting a nervous energy into the clouds. But
it doesn't explain the shared physicality of it, all consistent
wing spans, they're always the glowing eyes, the sudden electrical interference,
the smell of ozone. You know, when these patterns repeat
across decades and continents, the fact that it's all coincidence

(15:23):
starts to seem a little lazy.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, I mean, as I've said before, I don't really
believe there is any such thing as coincidence. But so
the question becomes, are these things that everybody's seeing from across,
you know, in similar parts of the different parts of
the world, saying similar things, or is this some sort
of shared memory from our past? And once these things
start surfacing, everybody starts remembering. But as far as all

(15:48):
of that goes with what we're talking about right now,
the open sky itself becomes the stage where belief and reason,
Dual pilots, radar texts, and night shift guards all tell
versions of the same story, but none can ever seem
to produce any proof. The absence of evidence feels engineered,
as though the phenomenon understands exposure better than we do.

(16:09):
The hunt to hunt it is to be lured upward
into the element and ecological trap built from curiosity and
everybody knows what happens to the cat that gets curious.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
Well, and that's funny because that's actually, you know, indigenous traditions,
you know, warned about the seduction of looking up. You know,
the Lakota spoke of the Wacayan or the thunderbirds who
punished those who stared too long at the storm you,
as tech priests described tis a timmy, which were star
demons descending during eclipses to devour the unwary. You know,

(16:44):
every warning boiled down to the same rule, don't look
too high for too long, or something might notice you
noticing it.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, unfortunately, technology hasn't saved us from that reflex either.
It's honestly seems the more cameras we aims got I read,
the more ambiguity, and the more ambiguity and ambiguity. I
don't know why I couldn't say that word. All of
a sudden, we capture A still frame becomes a rorshack
blot of terror. A drone video becomes evidence of nothing
but distance. Each failed attempt to pin down, pin everything down,

(17:16):
adds another layer to the myth, proof not of existence,
but of persistence of the myth itself.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah, and with these things too. The most credible witnesses
are often the least eager to talk. You know, we
get that way in ufology too. Air traffic controllers, law enforcement,
military observers. You know, their statements slipped through, anonymized and
clipped of emotion. But you know it's always the same thing,
a visual anomaly, an unidentified flight path. You know, beneath

(17:45):
all that jargon sits the same confession. Something was there
and we can't explain it.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So one has to ask this question, why does that
admission sting so much? Because it does, Otherwise they wouldn't
be sanitizing it so much. But maybe it's because the
sky was supposed to be ours. We've mapped it, weaponized it,
commercialized it. To glimpse something moving through it it was uninvited.
Is to be reminded that dominion is temporary. The higher

(18:13):
we fly, the further we have default.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
Well, yeah, we all know that. We all know that feeling.
You know, it's when you go outside at night and
you know, the traffic's quiet, the city isn't humming. You
just get that stillness. Excuse me, and you're looking up
at the endless black dome of the sky and then
suddenly there's a movement out of the corner of your vision.
You know, the sound of wings, you know, feathers brush

(18:40):
in the air, and your instinct just snaps your head upwards.
There's nothing there, but you swear you saw something move.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah. I mean, but so so for the chat because
I noticed we've got a few people that are hanging
out in the chat room. Have you guys ever seen
anything like this on your own? I mean, I know,
I don't thank you're just like finding it on YouTube
or anything. Have you guys actually ever experienced anything like
what we're starting to describe, Because I have to admit
this is one of the things I can say that

(19:09):
I haven't experienced yet. I've done the random haunting thing,
I've done this something trying to kill me in a
swimming pool. We've talked about that before. But as far
as cryptids, I can honestly say I don't. I don't
know if I've ever dealt with any. I can say
that when we were living and we were living in
the country when I was younger, when when my parents

(19:32):
got divorced, my dad moved in with my grandmother and
she was living on one of her daughter's properties, because
they had five acres, so they split part of it
off and put a trailer for her out there. I
will say there were some very interesting noises out there,
but I never saw anything.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
So see growing up in you know, the Sierras, up
in the mountains too, in dense forests, Yeah, there's always
that fine line of bear bigfoot, you know. But as
far as like with tonight's topic, we don't have a
lot of large prey birds here. I mean, we get

(20:11):
we have some redtail hawks, and then you get up
around the Carson Reno area. I know of you know,
some golden eagles up around there, and those are significantly big,
but not in the area where I was living. But
you know, and I do remember on one occasion we
were partying out in the woods. I walked away from

(20:31):
the fire to take a leak, and I heard big
movement up in the trees. Now, you know, was that
bigfoot swinging from tree to tree? Was that just you know,
a large raven move I don't know. I just know
that it freaked me the fuck out. It's like what
I was talking about. You know, there's certain times in
the area and places that I've been hundreds of times,

(20:53):
but every now and then, you know, I'll go to it,
I'll be there alone, and it just screams to me,
get the fuck out. You don't belong here. And this
was one of those moments where I couldn't get back
to the far party and safety in numbers faster and uh,
you know that's always when you keep that I don't
have to outrun whatever that is, I just have to
outrun him and so but yeah, I guess that's the

(21:18):
emotional core tonight's shows. It's not just the sidings, but
it's the fact that we're being surveilled, you know, the
sense that we're the ones being cataloged. You know, you know,
maybe the watchers never left, They've always been here waiting
for our attention to waiver.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I mean so, and again, not sure this falls
under the same vein. But I've talked about this before
a few times throughout my life that I've been somewhere
maybe where I shouldn't have been, or out later than
I should have been, and all of a sudden, I
can feel the hair on the back of my next
standing up. That always, to me always seemed like it
was kind of a bad sign that if I didn't
hurry up and get where I was supposed to be.

(21:55):
There were bad things about to start happening.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
So yeah, it's that whole getting that that get in
doors bit, get you.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Get your onton side.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But yeah, I mean I grew up in the air
of you know, if the street lights are on and
you're not home, you're gonna get your butt kicked. And
there were a few times I pushed that on a
little bit a little too far.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
So, you know, and keeping with the top, you know,
keeping with the topic too, especially you know, with the
uh you know, the forests hiding predators in the sky,
you know, being popular with predators. Maybe the street light
thing wasn't just uh, you know, there's a time frame
for you to be home, because I mean, you gotta remember,

(22:36):
we grew up in the generation where our parents had
to be reminded on television it's ten o'clock. Do you
know where your children are?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
The funny the funny thing is that seems so normal
back then and now I'm looking at that going. Were
our parents really that disconnected that they had to be
reminded to make sure we were inside?

Speaker 8 (22:53):
No, you know, it's really like I said, like you
just said, I that was perfectly normal. That was just
something year that was like the Indian and the uh
and Ray Charles singing America the Beautiful to the American
flag before this signing off, you know, the station signed
off at night, and you know that was just perfectly normal.
But being in hindsight, you know, as you know, we've

(23:14):
been telling the stories of gen X, it's like, holy shit,
that's uh, we were fair.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's kind of bad. We were pretty fairal but yeah,
I mean, but yeah, I mean, maybe that was where
the whole thing of you know, being before the street
lights or you know, being after right as the street
lights come on, because you gotta remember they usually come
on right about the time dust kids, so it's still
bright enough that you can see usually when they start
kicking on. So maybe that was part of the reason

(23:41):
why our parents always wandered us and right as those
things were kicking on, because that made it because at
that point it became harder for us to see what
might have been scooping us out from the sky. Yeah,
there's the thought.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
So as you listen tonight and when you glance upward,
do you remember the sky is empty, it's watching, it's
observing you, and that might not be a bird looking
back at all.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, it can't be because birds aren't real.

Speaker 8 (24:10):
All of the birds, it's true. Well they are, they're
just government drones.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well no, but they're not, you know what I mean. Yeah. Oh, So,
as we get ready to take the break, I do
have to say I've been doing some research for the play.
Actually I haven't watched the original yet, but because I want,
I want to get like various takes. I found all
the other versions I could find of the Day of
the Years That's Still, and I watched a couple of

(24:36):
those today. I'm going to watch the original probably tomorrow night.
But yeah, So for those of you who are so
inclined and do enjoy what we do when we usually
do our fall plays and our winter plays, and we're
trying to do fall, winter, and spring, we do have
a fall play again this year next week next Friday,
so we're twenty four, twenty twenty five, the kilr.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
N Playhouse will be doing The Day the Earth Stood Still.
And what I what I usually do for prepping for
these is that I'll go to the original source, and
in this case, it was the lux radio play from
I think nineteen thirty six anyway. Yeah, so you know,

(25:18):
it's kind of fun here in the old commercial spots
they did at the time too. It helps me with
the farmer willmoth spots. But yeah, so I'll go back
to the original source that you know, we usually grab
the script from because that's uh royalty free and you know,
they're all they're on YouTube, and it's just because usually

(25:39):
that it's like, you know, in the original movie, they'll
get the original the movie actors to do the radio
spot too. So it's always fun. Yeah, but so but
so so.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Because it is October though, one other thing I wanted
to talk about then. For some reason, I never really
connected the dots until the other day. You starting, you know,
with a fall play in October with the War of
the World is doing a turnip spot. Was kind of
funny considering back in the day turnips were what they
used to carve for Halloween. I thought that. I was like,

(26:15):
I want, I bet he knew that too, because he's
nerdy enough he knew it. I just don't know what
he would have done it. I just don't know why
I didn't connect the dots. Still, the other day I
was like, wait a minute, turnips. I get it now, ha,
Well it was that.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
It was also because at the time Jack still owns Twitter,
so I couldn't call people retards and you know, uh
Seltzer had already taken the moniker of potato, so I
was using turnip. And yeah, it was. It was kind
of a double meaning too, because you know with the
you know, knowing that they used to carve turnips for pumpkins,

(26:48):
and also you know, just you know, mater loops because
I have so many retards in my feed. So yeah,
that it was. There were layers. It was like an onion.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Well, to be fair though, you kind of you kind
of curate the retards that are in your feed, so
that's kind of that's kind of on you.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
They flocked to me.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
If you're like the retard whisper of Twitter.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
I am. I'm a magnet. I I don't know, but yeah,
this week appears to be communists. I don't know why
all the communists came out of the.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Woodwork, but God, because there's a lot of Because all right,
so you're ready for you tell anybody who says that
they're an American citizen on Twitter is.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
Probably not lying.

Speaker 11 (27:45):
There.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
I think I think they're all getting out of their
system before Elon puts puts a country tag on everybody.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Dude, I saw that and I was like, you know,
that's gonna make so many people's stick so.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
Much harder, especially especially among the grifter us.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
M Oh, all right, we should probably take the break
because I'm sure you're probably running out of you by now.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
Anyway, Yes, I am actually running out of both tea
and beer. All right.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
So we do have a new composition from the Alien
for tonight, hopefully since I have I hope cleared up
any ip conflicts that it behaves well enough to play it.
If not, we'll figure it out in a minute and
I'll find another way to do it. So but anyway,
here we go. New composition by Jess Jeff specifically for October.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So here we go.

Speaker 10 (29:21):
Dark clouds are movingious.

Speaker 13 (29:26):
The skies is weak, wings cut the silence, the mountains
were shad.

Speaker 10 (29:42):
I didn't know blackness.

Speaker 14 (29:47):
The propiskir shadows on the.

Speaker 13 (29:57):
Devouring Your dream means.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
You're drum over the storm. It's a lot of the swol.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
When the thunder.

Speaker 15 (30:15):
Comes over the sky will falls when the thunder comes
Still here it all wings of home man tail night
into When the thunder comes, it comes for you.

Speaker 16 (30:46):
The fine was a burning, the devil takes flight, The
muffman is screaming, no safety.

Speaker 10 (30:54):
It's night.

Speaker 17 (30:56):
The all in the rafters, the storm over, the sunder
brassing living.

Speaker 10 (31:07):
Forces in the stars.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Wings become.

Speaker 10 (31:17):
Lading. So the truths. When the thunder comes, the.

Speaker 14 (31:30):
Sky will fall. When the thunder comes, you'll hear it
all feathers place and shadows breaking him through. When the
thunder comes, it comes.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
For you, one of.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
One of one of five, one of.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
The thunder car.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
And welcome back in ladies and gentlemen. And no broken
is not but it's not over. Actually we were just
taking the music break. My name is Rick Robinson. He
is the homage one. This is juxtaposition. We are week
three into cryptids and we've been talking cryptids of the
year so far this week, and I think the Amish
one is back now.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
I indeed, Amy know Jeff made a good comment to
me in discord about h when we were talking about
how it's ten o'clock. Do you know how your children in?
Oh you do you know where your children are?

Speaker 18 (33:39):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (33:40):
Yeah. In the seventies and eighties, parents needed to be
reminded by their television. Now they need to be reminded
by their car.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Eh, good point. Have you checked your back back seat? Oh?
Yeah that that freaked me out at first when I
got the Kia, because it actually every time I off
the key, it flashes on the dash check your check
rear seats. Dude, you know this is not the show

(34:08):
for that. But I have to say this real quick.
I worked twenty two hour days when my kids were
little and I was still miss I was mister mom
during the day, so I did if a lot of
office work. I did from home during the day, got
them off to school, took a nap while they were
at school, got them home, got them squared away, helped
them with their homework, all those things. Even even with
all of that, like working twenty two hour days, getting

(34:31):
a two hour nap usually about six days out of
the week, and then crashing on the seventh, I never
once ever left my kids in a car. I just,
I just I don't understand that.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Yeah, I I mean, I don't have children that I
know about, and I don't think I could forget that
they were in the vehicle either. I mean, I do
some pretty retarded shit, but you know, I I've never
left anything in my car.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Actually, I mean I've left my wallet and like my
phone in there from time to time, but I've never
I've never left the human being in the car, at
least not you, at least unintentionally. Anyway, you know, after
my kids got a little bit bigger, it was like, hey,
I'm just running in for a minute. But that's only
after they were like fifteen sixteen years old and they

(35:23):
didn't want to come into the convenience store with me
to something. Anyway.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Oh. I also told you aff during the break too,
this was that that song is one of my favorites.
He's done it absolutely slapped. I really got the whole
Southwest vibe in it with a thunderbird dude.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah. Well, ye, before I got distracted by the whole
check your back seat thing, I was gonna say this
is probably one of my favorite ones too. I am
a big fan of Woodwinds, I really am.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Yeah, so we've got to do it. Everyone's been asking
us all month long. You're gonna do the moth maad,
You're doing the Mothman. We're doing the moth Man, guys.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
So we should have lifted off.

Speaker 8 (36:05):
Yeah, no, that's gonna be its own show get fucked
previously position. So for those of you who don't know
the story, the story begins in the dark heart of
the American sixties, the industrial decline, the Cold War dread,

(36:26):
and a small town divided by a river. In November
nineteen sixty six, point Pleasant, West Virginia became the stage
for a myth that never left. Two young couples were
driving past the old TNT area World War two bunkers
that were being swallowed by time in weeds when the
headlights caught something tall, gray and wrong. They said. It

(36:47):
had eyes that burned red and wings that opened wider
than the car was long. It followed them a highway,
speeds gliding, not flapping, until they crossed the bridge into town.
They didn't, but something in them broke open. They went
straight to the police, and by dawn reporters were calling
it the Mothman.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Done Dune done So. Within days, the sightings multiplied. Contractors
on a night shift saw a figure perched on a
crane a local couple said had stood in their yard,
wings folded like a cloak, watching through the window, just
peeping them out. Dogs vanished, engine stalled people complained of
static on the phone line and shadows that hummed. The

(37:32):
sheriff tried to contain the panic, but the newspaper couldn't
resist man sized bird creatures. Something The name was an
accident of pop culture. The batman craze turned cryptid, and
the northern action was what was that? And the Mothman
was born.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
The Mothman was born, and over the next year there
are more than one hundred reports that came in from
farmers to factory workers and housewives. The details changed, but
the core remained glowing eyes, huge wing, impossible silence. Even
before the collapse of the Silver Bridge in December fifteenth,
nineteen sixty seven, vocals they were connecting the dots. The

(38:11):
creature was a warning, they said, a harboringer. Forty six
people died when the bridge went into the Ohio River,
and the sighting stopped, almost amasing immediately. It's like fear
fossilized into folk lore.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
So John Keel and New York journalist Chasing UFOs arrived
just in time to record the contagion known as Mothman.
As nineteen seventy five book The Mothman Prophecies framed the
story not as a single monster, but as an interference
pattern between realities. Keel described ultra terrestrial entity not from

(38:45):
outer space, but overlapping ours, manipulating attention, feeding on emotion.
He documented Men in Black encounter in Men in Black Encounters,
psychic phone calls, dream premonitions, even poltergeist effects. To Keel point,
pleasant was a spiritual radiation where one world rushed another
and everything went strange. And we've talked about this before
because we when we were doing Shadow People, we've often

(39:07):
wondered if maybe the Mothman might not be a bleed
over with some kind of that. So it's interesting that
they kind of had that same idea.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean the stories, you know, they absolutely the
encounters kind of intertwined. As we talk about how everything
we talk about in one way or another gets connected
to something else. And yeah, the Mothman absolutely reeks of
transdimensional being but also ancient god. You know, it kind

(39:40):
of has that that feel about it too. But the
ultradimensional being, the ultraterrestrial that theory stuck because it gave
structure to the chaos, you know, instead of random hysteria.
The Mothman became an experiment in contact. The town wasn't haunted,
it was chosen.

Speaker 9 (39:56):
You know.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
People wanted to believe that the tragedy had meaning, that
the deaths on the bridge were part of a pattern,
and you know, instead of just a malfunctioning eyebar. You know,
the ulban redeemed the randomness of it all, and the
watch returned catastrophe into prophecy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Decades later, the shadow moved because guess what, it went
away for a time, and then it came back. In
twenty eleven, a fresh wave of reports came out of Chicago,
again industrial, nocturnal, and uneasy. The first was a security
guard at O'Hare International who saw a red eyed humanoid
gliding between cargo planes, then a truck driver, a pilot,

(40:36):
and an airport mechanic. The descriptions echoed point pleasant, almost
word for word. Ten foot wings, membrane like leather, not feathers,
red eyes, bright enough to reflect on metal, and a
smell like electricity. Now I have to admit the smell
is a new one. I don't remember them mentioning that
in the point pleasant reports, but they did talk about
a hum in the air, so maybe that's kind of yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
Yeah, Well, I mean, you got to think in the sixties.
I'm not going to say that they weren't exposed to
electricity as much. But anybody who's ever worked on computers
knows the ozone smell. Oh yeah, and because you just
cooked something.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
And well, actually it just occurred to me. There may
have been another reason why they never never really noticed
the ozone smell as much either, because everybody smoked back then.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Well that too, yeah, so good, you know, by twenty
I mean, that's you know, I'm old enough to remember
when doctors sold cigarettes on television.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'm old enough to remember when they were asherys and hospitals.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
An airplanes. But by twenties seventeen, a database being kept
by investigator LAWNS. Strickler listed nearly sixty sidings across the
Great Lakes region. Witnesses include police officers, construction workers, and
families at the lake front. You know, a pattern emerged.
The sidings were near water, near bridges, near energy infrastructure.

(41:59):
You know, if the West Virginia West Virginia creature had
attached itself to a single bridge, Chicago's version perched over
an entire grid.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Of course, skeptics offered cranes, owls, and drones. The sandhill
crane in particular, was blamed for a Point Pleasant, a
tall bird with red around the eyes and a wingspan
that fits the math, if not the myth. But few
ornithologists can explain why a common migratory bird would tail
cars at eighty miles per hour, or even could, for

(42:31):
that matter, or be seen standing motionless on a factory
roof for hours. The crane theory became a symbolic firewall,
a way to name the shape without acknowledging the presence
of something otherworldly.

Speaker 8 (42:44):
And that's what they always do with these things, they
really do. Yeah. But so it appears that there's like
a psychological gravity to the mothman legend. You know that
simple hoaks theories can't dismiss you. I've never actually heard
hoax used in either of the you know, either in
Chicago or in uh West Virginia. Yeah, it's the sightings,

(43:09):
clusters and periods of collective stress. You know, in Point
Pleasant you had the Vietnam build up, or you've got
nuclear panic, economic spiral the twenty tens, you know, they
they're like fever dreams of an anxious civilization manifestation, manifestations
of somebody who's under psychic strain, and the more that

(43:31):
we fear collapse, the more likely something with wings appears
to witness it.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
So here's the thought though, and this goes back to
the idea of these things being interdimensionary because we've actually
theorized the idea before that the shadow people, which could
be an offshoot of the Mothman, actually feed on people's fears.
So it would make sense that they always show up
when there's going to be fear or plenty because it's

(43:57):
like a buffet for them.

Speaker 8 (43:59):
So yeah, just so with some form of prescience, where
they could you know, be posting up around West Virginia
knowing that the bridge was going to collapse, or you know,
posting in Chicago just before the shoe drops on you
know a lot of the markets, you know. And so yeah,

(44:19):
I mean it was, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Something something else that has just occurred to me. I
wonder how much of the Mothman stuff might have something
to do with, you know, the the Dark Ages, Gargoyle
legends and stuff.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
With each new report, they all seem to carry sensory
weight too specific to file under any form of hallucination.
Witnesses describe the way headlights them when it passes overhead,
the pressure in the chest, the hair raising hum some here,
radio static that spike on dead frequencies. The creature doesn't
just show itself. It alters the environment, as if broadcasting

(45:04):
on a wavelength that human nerves were never built to receive.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Yeah, you know, the people who call the ultraterrestroom model
interpret that interferences bleed through you like we talked about
with channel people. You know, reality isn't fixed, and it
wavers where attention is strongest. Keel's theory predicted that area
is charged with emotion, fear, awe, grief become conductive, you
like lightning rods for entities to draw the voltage through rather,

(45:32):
you know, rather than your virtue and that light. You know,
mothmat isn't the cause of disaster, but a signal that
it's already in motion.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So I'm going to six degrees of Kevin Bacon for
a second because something else just occurred to me. Remember
the story a couple of months ago where we started
talking about, you know, in the realm of quantum physics,
future decisions can impact past or future choices can impact
past decisions.

Speaker 8 (45:58):
Yeah, the future informs passed as much as the pas
and forms of the future.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
So what if that's part of what's happening here. These
things are able to pick up on the energy build
up that already happened, and therefore they know exactly when
to show up to get the most out of it.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
Well, and you know, you're you know, what you're pointing
it to is that, you know, the signal and the
event are entangled, you know, quantum entanglement, you know, and
psychologists studying mass precognition point to experiments where human subjects
reacted to stimulize section seconds before exposure. It's as if
the nervous system anticipated the shock. So maybe on the

(46:39):
collective level, you know, we sense instability and projected outwards
and you know, psychologically into an archetype warning of a
winged form.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Or it could be a real thing and it's tapped
into our acastic field, and then it can figure out
when everybody's going nuts. There's another one.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, that yeah, because I mean you're going through history.
I mean, the archetype is older than point pleasant. You know,
the Samerians had Pizzazu, you know, demon of the Western wind,
protect her and destroy her. Both medieval Europe had black
angels of pestilence, you know, and they carved them into
their cathedrals. Each carried the same, the archetype wings, red eyes,

(47:26):
and a promise of disaster. You know, the Mothman is
just that angel, stripped of theology, is driving into the
secular age.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
So locals and point Pleasant still hold, believe it or not,
an annual festival. The statue in the town square turns
menace into mascot steel wings polished by tourists. But the
mythology resist containment. Every retailing recharges it. Chicago's witnesses don't joke.
They talk about sleepless nights. Electrical disturbments is the feeling

(47:58):
of being monitored. One woman described dreaming of collapsing structures
weeks before a fatal warehouse accident in her district. She
hadn't read the Mothman prophecies until afterwards.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
You know.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
The thing is, if this is all imagination, it's a
remarkably organized one. Each generation upgrades the Mothman to match
its technology. You know, from bridge to reactor to airport.
The symbol adapts like a living species. Does you know.
It's feeding on the attention, mute and mutating through the media.

(48:30):
You know, whether that makes it more than folklore or
feedback loop of fear and manifestation of it, it's still
the amazing thing about, you know, going through the ages,
is that this particular arc type is always evolved with
the age. You know, Bigfoot has always been bigfoot. NeSSI
has always been Nessy, But Mothman evolves. And that's what's

(48:55):
really fascinating about.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, that's all so why skeptics can never seem to
kill it. Every exploit, every explanation given generates its opposite.
Labeled it a bird, and someone films a shape that
defies biology, call it hysteria, and a radar anomaly appears,
silence it, and it migrates to a new city. So yeah,
I mean, not only is this something that is not

(49:20):
locked into a particular you know, like you said, Bigfoot
is bigfoot, cheop of cobras, cheop ofcabra, Nessi's NeSSI. But
this thing not only does it seem I mean, it's
general appearance doesn't ever really change, but what it's where it,
where it feeds does. Because I'm still of the mind
that it's feeding off of the fear. It's the only
thing that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
I'm absolutely on board with that, you know, and at
its core, mothmat is the modern world's conscious and soll
of that form. You know, it's appearing whenever structure fails,
you know, whispering that our systems aren't that or as
solid as we think. And whether you call to harboring

(50:00):
or hallucination or a herald, the meeting doesn't change. It
comes when we're about to remind be reminded that gravity
always wins. You know, there's nothing in gravity that says
fall until you take it off the paper.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, so the watcher in this instance doesn't save it witnesses,
and that might be worse because if the Mothman isn't
there to warn us, is it there to watch us
fall and possibly even to feed off of all of
the fear and angst that we generate as we fall.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
Well, and that's what we talked about with the shadow
people too, is that they're always just watching, you know,
their malevolence is in there not doing anything, you know,
aside from the skidders, you know, which is what I
call the ones that kind of move around the corner
of the eye and the corners of your room and shit.
But yeah, the the archetype shadow person is just standing

(50:58):
there watching you. And also that usually as a major
life decision is about to happen, now, whether that's your
subconscious manifesting it as you know you're about to you know,
break through. Right now, I've got tools forty six and
two blasting in my head and I had to do
that to wash out a song that Jeff tortured me

(51:20):
with discord. But uh but yeah, but it, you know,
and the Mothman does follow, and I'm actually surprised that
it hasn't fallen into a shadow person archetype because everything
about Mothman screams shadow person to me. And I know

(51:40):
you mentioned it too, so it's almost like we're doing
this one in the wrong show. But it also is
a cryptid because it has presence.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean, there's there's a reason Bigfoot is on the
front of our Embrace the Power of and merchandise or yeah,
because crypto cryptids can be more than one thing.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
Yeah. Well, it's like when we were talking about the
when Dego. You know, it's both a warning and a curse,
you know, and that you know it informs you what
not to do, but when you do it, you become one.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh, somebody's trying to put a joke in the chat
and I just I just.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
Thought I'm there for it. What is the difference?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, I don't know what is the difference. That's a
good question. Oh broken, that's terrible, sir. Ye hmm.

Speaker 8 (52:47):
Yeah, you gotta throw the main the main chat feed
up when we come back for the next segment.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I thought I did that already, but I'll fire. Yeah,
it'll take it take a second to load zones and
do it now because yeah, like I said, I think
we're being earlier anyway.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
So yeah, that's fine, it's there now, we'll be in
the moment. So yeah, so I gotta get back to
this moth manished shadow person thing though. It's it's really
ringing with me tonight.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, it started resonating with me too, him like because
well actually because it never really occurred to me until
we were looking into that one guy's research, and I'm like,
sounds suspiciously like shadow people. And it would also explain
why there's such gaps between appearances, because my guess would be,
if this is a bleed through from from an alternate dimension,

(53:39):
it probably I'm sure there's probably an EBB and flow
to the bleed through too.

Speaker 8 (53:43):
Yeah, you know, this is what we talked about in
the Quantum Mechanics episode. Is is the the membranes weaken?
You know, that's when when they break through? No, the
end so did not go through. So Twitter probably censored it.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You may have to get creative because Twitter Twitter chat
has been extra cranky lately. And so yeah, which is
funny for the supposed you know, bashed in a free
speech platform.

Speaker 8 (54:16):
Post the joke on the the feed for the show
on the Calor and on the Calor and Twitter feed
on the Yeah, and I'll find it on the break,
and we'll find it during the break.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Speaking of we are just about.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
I do know, I do know some b y U
co eds and uh or did I spent a lot
of time up in Utah?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
So yeah, I don't know that too. H fun times,
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Speaker 8 (54:52):
Never really is a beautiful state. I'm sorry what yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I said, I never really did the co ed thing. So,
but then again I was. I was always kind of
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Speaker 8 (55:09):
I remember when I didn't swear.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
You're right that it's all the time I don't. I
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team effort between me and you, because well and I
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If we're being honest, I think we just continued.

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It, just deepened it.

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Speaking of the I'm glad for the play, though.

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I am too, and Fu and Lou.

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That would surprise me.

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We got Lou too. She hasn't popped in the room yet.
But so we're getting all the walk, a lot of
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Yeah, I'm excited.

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Well. Speaking of which, yeah, well yeah, I was kind
of when you guys said that we were gonna be
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you guys have already decided the Winter Play, y'all.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
I had this rip done.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
But all right, we've hit that point. It's time for
the break again. My name is Rick Robinson. This is duxtaposition.

Speaker 12 (56:28):
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And here in a second, I go figure out the
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get in again, and I can't blame the motive.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
We just had a replaced I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
Yeah, I was gonna say again, but you know what, Okay,
I'll take this curse rather than us being incompletely incapable
of doing a show.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Right, So I guess, I guess this is this is
an improvement after Also, but you know.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
The Mothman is supposed to bring technological hiccups.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
So yeah, all right, So I finally got the punchline
we were looking for. So what is the difference between
Bigfoot and a B b yu co ed made on me?
One weighs five hundred pounds in stings, the other has
big feet?

Speaker 8 (01:01:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, my half sister was a b y
U grad and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Accurate. Nice. And then we got a comment from it
looks like of von v One dominion is temporary. The
higher we fly that's deep. So thanks for the feedback.
Even you know, I've noticed some people are starting to
comment on the feeds instead of coming into the chat,

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so I try to check that everyone.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
Okay, cool, Yeah, hey we got your signing. Awesome, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
He's in, Yeah, he's in.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
Uh, he's in the calor end chat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Nice. Just got home from the bachelor party. We did
act throwing. That's not that, that's not How does bachelor
party not mean what it used to mean?

Speaker 20 (01:02:56):
You know what?

Speaker 8 (01:02:56):
And act strong? I'm down, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I mean, I'm not saying it couldn't be fun, but
you know that's I had two bachelor parties in my life,
and neither one of them involved backstory. Okay, usually cope
of boobs and some shenanigans, but you know, boobs, boobs, boobs,
boobs and shenanigans.

Speaker 8 (01:03:23):
It looks like the vidscreen is still up to in
the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah it's frozen. I'm fixing it now, all.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
Right, just bringing it to your attention. So going beyond
the moth Man. Back, long before the moth Man, the
sky belonged to giants. The earliest oral traditions described wing
beings that tore through storms or ferried the dead across
and across continents and millennia. These creatures aren't aberrations. They're constants.

(01:03:54):
You know, when the ground shakes or the sky breaks,
wings appear. The stories of flight and catastrophe. They're braided
so tightly even now the pattern feels inevitable. Thunder wings, fire,
and revelation. The big wall, the one that the one
that always being in the Southwest, the one that's always

(01:04:14):
been you know, one that I've been interested in is
the is the thunderbird. And that's kind of the backbone
of that mythic lineage, you know, the storm spirit of
the Great Plains and the Pacific northwest northwest, so vastest
wings that they made thunder and its blinking eye cast lightning.
The tribes of the La Cota, the Hyata, the Ojibewi,

(01:04:36):
you know, each kept different versions, but the core was identical.
The thunderbird enforced balance, It punished arrogance and toppled the
proud you know, it restores order from striking from above.
Ye and this modern cryptosologists trace this possibly back to
fossil memory when we were still you know, when the

(01:05:01):
human era began, there were still territorns around, and these
were giant predatory birds with twenty foot wingspans, which is
why I think that, you know, this is genetic memory,
you know, kind of like with the sabertoothed tiger and
the wol wee. Madded you the territorns were terrifying. They

(01:05:21):
were gigantic flying beasts that we were its food. You know,
maybe maybe these myths are just palaeontology and disguise.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Could be. But you know, sightings didn't stop with the
Age of worl myth because in eighteen ninety two, Arizona
cowboys allegedly shot and photographed a massive, leathery winged creature
resembling a terrace or. The photo vanished, but newspapers across
the region printed the account. A few years later, Alaskan

(01:05:54):
miners swore a bird the size of a small aircraft
in Alaska that was probably a mosquito. I'm just saying,
passed overhead, blotting out the sun. Even as science filled
them filled in the map, the sky remained unclaimed territory,
and the thunderbird refused extinction, morphing from divine enforcer to
rogue survivor.

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, if the thunderbird is just raw elemental justice. Yeah,
because it's like I talked about earlier, the myth of
the thunderbird is don't stare at the storm too long.
Apparently that was a significant a signifier pride, you know,
among especially among the Lakota. So you know, it's if

(01:06:38):
you stared at the sky too long, you were prideful, yo.
But the inversion of that would be the Jersey Devil.
You know, I love the new the Jersey Devil because
it's just so much, so much more tied into one,

(01:06:59):
you know. In seventeen thirty five, in New Jersey, it
is said that a desperate mother cursed her thirteenth child,
who emerged shrieking with hoofs and bat wings in a
serpent's tail and flew up the chimney before anybody could
catch it, and the Jersey Devil terrorized the pine barrens
for centuries. Livestock mutilated footprints in the snow that began

(01:07:21):
and ended defence's eerie cries in the night. In the
nineteen oh nine panic, the newspapers reported hundreds of sidings
across multiple states, forcing the factories and schools to close.
The creature became the first American media monster uniting folk
core and mass hysteria into a single shape.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
So where the thunderbird defends cosmic balanced, the Jersey Devil
in bodies social disorder, fear of poverty, wilderness, and sin
turned into a flying scapegoat. Every retelling mirrors a new anxiety, disease, immigration,
and industrialization, nuclear power. When the fear changes, the wings
still remain.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
Yeah, and that's like with the Mothman too. You know,
it evolves with the technology. The Jersey Devil evolves with
whatever fear happens to be gripping the area.

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
They this isn't just unique to America, you know, across
the Atlantic. The pattern continues in Cornwall. During the nineteen seventies,
two schoolgirls in Monan saw a red eyed figure hovering
over a church tower.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
The newspaper's christened it owl Man and the description man
shaped body, large wings, glowing eyes. It was indistinguishable from Mothman.
The town's name Manan, you know, kind of sounds like Mothman.

Speaker 9 (01:08:46):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:46):
So there's the legend. My it's as if the legend migrated.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
The cha cultis tied it to lay lines and bronze
age burial sites, Skeptics said it was an eagle owl,
and the reports kept coming in anyway, often from children,
always near a church, you know, where Americans saw omens,
the corners saw sentinels, their guardians of the dead, not
their heralds.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So then, and this one's kind of freaky to think
about it, Then came batsquatch.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
Batsquatch. See, I'm one behind batsquatch.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
The eruption born mutation from the Pacific Northwest. In nineteen eighty,
when Mount Saint Helens exploded, locals in Washington reported a
massive bat winged humanoid rising from the ash cloud. Later,
hikers found claw marks high on fir trees and described
something gliding silently above logging roads at dusk. The mountain

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that burned destruction also burned the monster. Fire and flight
again intertwined. Skeptics blamed hoaxes and misidentified bats, but even
witnesses who laughed about it admitted a strange logic. The
eruption felt alive, like a living thing, ex wieling something,
exhaling something into the world.

Speaker 8 (01:10:05):
Now, this one always stuck with me too. You like
the uh, I gotta love thatad squatch.

Speaker 12 (01:10:10):
We got it right.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
A way to do a whole show on bad squatch,
So I had a hard time finding material for it.
I'm gonna have to dig deeper. I might have sick
sick chpt on that, but with the thunderbird. Another one
of my favorites is cats a quaddal, and that one
kind of completes the circle. It's it's a feathered surface,

(01:10:34):
feathered serpent of meso America, the god of renewal, intelligence,
and cosmic cycles. He brought civilization, only to vanish with
a promise to return to the Aztecs. He was both
man and bird, light and air, and when the conquistors arrived,
their ships sails resembled wings, and some believed that the

(01:10:54):
prophecy was being fulfilled. Even now, sightings of enormous feathered
serpents in northern Mexico and the America Southwest are framed
as his ghost. You know, it's not divine, but residual.
The deity stripped of faiths becomes encryptid.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
So these are not separate myths. They're evolutionary, evolutionary branches
of one primal idea that wings belong to the forces
we can't control, storms, volcanoes, conquest, revelation, the sky, the
Sky's violence anthropomorphized and when cultures lose their gods, they

(01:11:33):
inherit their monsters, and well, it goes, it goes even
further than that though, in my opinion, because this goes
back to the whole idea of you know, prehistoric shared memory,
you know of things that used to hunt us when
we first started, you know, emerging from our caves as hominids.
I think, I think there's a lot to that. I

(01:11:55):
really do.

Speaker 8 (01:11:56):
Oh I do too, And that's you know, it's like
I talk about genetic memory or fall memory. You know,
it's that you these beasts were around when we were around,
so you know, it's not a stretch that you know,
part of our lizard brain, you know, it's I mean, yeah,
we could find beauty and birds even though they aren't real,

(01:12:17):
you know, you like, you got your cockatiels in your
parents and stuff. But still it's like the intelligence of
a raven is fucking freaky sometimes, and they hold grudges,
so it's you know, it's all good AI should, but yeah,
they're just you know, something about being the prey and

(01:12:39):
having it swooped down and ketch Aquada. That was the
bad but good horror movie from the eighties that you
use the sun to hide its movements. Yeah, yeah, so
yeah that but it's just so, I don't know, but

(01:13:01):
our chaeologists and full oars have noticed a constant migration
pattern the older culture's deities.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
The more.

Speaker 8 (01:13:10):
They descend over time. You know, the storm god becomes
an angel, then a demon, then a cryptid. You know,
Divinity degrades into anomaly or encryptid. You know, the sacred
mutates into the uncanny, and every civilization eventually reclassifies its
gods and miracles as misfortunes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah. So, anthropologists have proposed that flight symbolizes transcendence, the
human wish to escape mortality. Yet when that symbol is
projected outward, it becomes predatory. The more advanced or our
understanding of physics, the more terrifying true flight becomes. We
may master engines and thrust, but a living thing that

(01:13:51):
outflies our machines violates not science, but our very egos.
It reminds us that nature still has permissions we don't,
and sometimes, you know, some some crazy things do still
happen in nature. That's that's the whole point of these shows.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
Yeah, but it is with the with the with the
air crypt is with the flight cryptids. You know, the
one thing that is also consistent, consistent with them is that,
you know, witnesses rarely describe joy or wonder. You know,
nobody's standing on the shore waiting to see you know,
everybody stands on the shore wanting to see NeSSI. You know,
people go out and you know, look for Bigfoot, but

(01:14:32):
nobody's you know, it's always a sense of dread with
these airborne cryptids. You know, even when the creature makes
no threat, to see something enormous and alive where biology
should not sustain it, that's the shock of the divine
returning uninvited. Yeah, believers call it proof, Skeptics call it stress.

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Responds mythologists call it a return to the sacred in
another name.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
So if we line them up the thunderbird, Jersey, Devil, Alman, bad,
squatch cats, aquaddal, we get an evolutionary chart of faith itself,
from God to Guardian to Omen to mutation. Each step
down the ladder is civilization shedding certainty until all that
remains are wings without a message. So still the myths

(01:15:23):
refuse extinction because they fill a vacuum that logic leaves
behind the more we explain the world the lonelier the
sky becomes. It needs inhabitants, and we keep inventing them
or rediscovering them, depending on your perspective. And I'm gonna
go with rediscovering because yeah, yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
In a sense, modern cryptids are theology's fossils. They carry
the shape of the old god's strip of context. Well
maybe they were always there and they just gave context
to the old gods, you know. But the sky doesn't change.
It's just our interpretation of what moves through it, that does.
You know, Once a storm meant divine anger, now it's

(01:16:05):
just radar interference and weather patterns. But it's still the
same reflects of odd The storm remains. Why wouldn't that
be with the sky cryptids too, you know. It's it's
like we talk about with everything else, you know, the
ancient cultures worshiped these beasts as gods. Now that we've
stripped all the theology around it, they're still there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
But yeah, so even the language, even the language we use,
gives it away. Though we call them things like winged menaces,
fallen angels, birds of ill omen every phrase is a
survival of ritual vocabulary, a linguistic fossil of worship disguised
as a warning. We call them monsters because we no
longer have temples to house them. That's kind of a

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deep thought.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
Yeah, it's like when the volcano or when the lightning
fractures the night. You know, something vast crosses the horizon.
The old words reassert themselves. You know, we see fire
and wings and understand extensively. You know, the old gods
have advantaged so they've just adapted to disbelief.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, so the wing cryptids of the modern age are
less about zoology and more about continuity. They prove that
mythology isn't dead. It's airborne. What the ancients painted on
cave walls. We now upload the YouTube that that's that's
very true. What they called divinity we call Anominally. Either way,
we're still staring upward, waiting for the meeting to descend.

(01:17:43):
I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment, though, because you know,
I don't find myself staring upward that often, probably because
of the fact that I do believe there are things
out there that we can't necessarily explain, and I don't
really want to see any of them. If I can
avoid them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:00):
I mean, that's just you know, you keep your eyes
down and you won't see the gods.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Coming, you know, knows of the grindstone. That's my that's
my philosophy saying saying, you know, stay busy and stay
focused on what you got right in front of you,
and you don't won't have anything trying to scoop you
up from the sky.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
Well, you know, it's like I said earlier, you know,
if you're not watching, then it won't notice your what
you know you're watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Although I will say that that if there is such
a thing as a storm god, Oklahoma's kind of bad
at that theory, because you know, we find out about
terrible whether we grab launcheers and ice chests and come
watch it. So I don't know. I guess I can't
say I don't always look up with this guy, and
I probably do it as some of the worst times,
depending on these these things we're talking about tonight, to

(01:18:51):
be honest, So never mind, I rescind my last comments.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
Yeah, I'm reading something in the chat Sequius every you know,
we really touched on that when we did the Quantum
Mechanics show. You know what if causality is cumulative and
alternative instead of direct. You know, we have many mutable
pass yes, we do. We have an infinite number of pasts.
They're all informed by the future, and we have an
infinite number of futures that are informed by the pass

(01:19:20):
and everything collapses down into the ones most legally most
likely to result in the future. So I guess what
you're saying with that. As we move, you know, as
we move through from the concept of gods to cryptids,
that's just once again, you know, the structure collapsing down

(01:19:41):
into it's ultimate final form.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah, I know, Jeff. You know a show that promotes
looking up I'm away.

Speaker 8 (01:19:57):
Yes, And isn't it interesting that the ads for that
show broke in this show?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
Oh, you know Jack Horkheimer told us to keep looking up.
Well maybe that wasn't such a good idea, but yeah,
it's weird that the Skycryptis shows the one time we
cannot get through a lost Wanderer at that it just
for us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Yeah, I haven't been able to play it once.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
Yeah, that's weird. That's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Right, Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, it's Juxtober. We
should be used to this by now that we are.
I mean, I'm just glad. I'm just glad the Grimlins
aren't so bad that we can't do the show.

Speaker 8 (01:20:42):
For those of you who are new to Juxtober, is
we're not. We're seriously not building our own lore. We
have done topics that like when we did Witchcraft and Demonology,
we were lucky to get half the shows off. Between
technical errors, life blowing up in our faces, any number
of things interfered with us being able to pull The
fact that we've been able to pull three Juxes off

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in Juxtober in a row is unheard of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yeah, it got so bad. I almost it got so bad.
I almost thought about making a parody Juxtober commercial with
the the Witches for Macbeth.

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
In the background.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, for the month we were doing Witches because that
was another one, dude, Like the the Demonology was a
terrible one. Like there there were there were times when
I was just like downright sick that month and then
we did Witches, Like, well, was it a gear? It wasn't.
The next year, I think it was. The fun was
a couple of years after and and that was it
was the same thing. Like every time I turned around,

(01:21:42):
we were you were having some sort of a technical issue.
I was having a technical issue, or there were just
days when neither one of us felt good at all,
and I'm like, I think we're being cursed.

Speaker 8 (01:21:52):
I think, yeah, it was when we did the Witches
one too. I got called in on emergency job an
hour before the show, and that never happens. I mean
I never got night calls for emergency and just yeah,
so again, you know, we're not inventing this. If you've
been listening to Oxtober for a long time, every one
of these things has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Which is which is interesting because it always seems like
it does happen more this time of year, which kind
of is because we're talking about, you know, with the
Mothman stuff, you know, the thinning of the veil, so
to speak, between realities, and that's actually the whole point
of you know, all Hollows Eve is that there's supposedly
a thinning between the veil of life and death that

(01:22:35):
night and do you de les marta day of the day.

Speaker 8 (01:22:43):
Anyway, Yeah, So, I mean, yeah, it's it's it's really
bizarre how we get played with the most technical difficulty
even though these are minor, they're still vexing and annoying
because we don't have these problems generally. Usually the problems
we have are our own Yo. Yeah, Rick pushes the
wrong button, I forget that, I'm muted for ten minutes,

(01:23:05):
shit like that. These are just external influences that are
really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah. And there's stuff that doesn't happen anywhere else.

Speaker 8 (01:23:15):
Yeah, I mean it's between you and I and you
just I do three four podcasts a week. You do
two dozen of them, and uh, we don't have the
technical difficulties like we have when we do this show
during Juxtober. It's just bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Well, well it's like even when I had, because I
mean I do sometimes like I'll be busy working and
I'll forget to reset the router before I go live,
and then normally I have to reset it when I'm
on a break or something, and then it clears up
for the rest of the show. Like tonight, I've already
reset the router. I've released and renewed the IP multiple times.
And some of this stuff is still just unwilling to play.

(01:23:55):
And if it it's so, and that makes no sense
to me because if it was, if it was a server,
ish you then I should be losing you too when
I'm not. So something weird is going on and I
don't know what it is.

Speaker 8 (01:24:06):
Yeah, and I've only heard a couple of echoes back.
So usually when you're crashing, when your setups crashing, I'll
hear myself in my ears, you know, And that's how
I know we're about to lose Rick and I start
to vamp.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
So except for that one time you didn't realize that
I was gone and that people could still hear you.
That was fun.

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
Yeah, that's always gooding were like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Wait, you could have you heard me this whole time fighting? No, man,
I would have kept up.

Speaker 8 (01:24:32):
Yeah, let's roll that Jeff song again because I am
out of tea.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yeah, I was about to do that anyway. Hopefully, hopefully
it works. It's a it's a fresher load. I think
what may happen is I think I may actually have
to go in and refresh these ad spots every once
in a while to get the connections fresh again. So
we're gonna test that, they though, because this one just
got loaded tonight. So if it works well, we'll know
what the problem is. And if it doesn't, then we'll
just blame the witches again.

Speaker 8 (01:24:59):
Yeah, in this case, moth man.

Speaker 13 (01:25:53):
Dark clouds are moving, the sky is away. Wings cut
the silence.

Speaker 17 (01:26:08):
The mountains were shade.

Speaker 10 (01:26:14):
In the blackness.

Speaker 14 (01:26:18):
The provisiscir.

Speaker 8 (01:26:24):
Shadows are under.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Devouring your dream in the drum of the storm.

Speaker 8 (01:26:40):
It thet of the sword.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
When the thunder comes, the sky will fall.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
When the thunder.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
Comes, you'll hear it. All wings are all tailor into.

Speaker 16 (01:27:01):
When the thunder comes, it comes for you. The fin
woods are burning, the devil takes flight. The muffman is

(01:27:24):
screaming the safety night.

Speaker 9 (01:27:28):
The earl in the.

Speaker 17 (01:27:29):
Rafters, the storm over, the thunderbod rating living and.

Speaker 10 (01:27:38):
Poses.

Speaker 14 (01:27:39):
In the storm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Wings become the wool at least so the true.

Speaker 14 (01:27:53):
Popism you. When the thunder cot, the sky will fall.
When the thunder comes, you'll hear it. All feather place
and shadows breaking him through. When the thunder comes, it

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comes for you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
When the sun there come.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
And welcome back into the program, ladies and gentlemen. We
are about three quarters of the way done with the show.
I want to thank everybody for hanging out with us
right now. Just took a brief peak of the numbers.
Looks like we're sitting at about seven hundred right now,
So that's pretty good for us Saturday night anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:29:59):
So no, so, yeah, well hurt bad mass.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Yeah no though, that's why I was double checking the
math when he said that. I was like, did I
count that wrong? Sometimes that happens because you know, math
isn't math math on camera Alreadio was until Sundays usually Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
Yeah, Sundays or math that's Jeff, that's Jeff Stick. But yeah,
so I generally I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Say this though, because the very opening of the song,
you know, when it kicks off with the woodwind I had.
I had a Paul Simon vibe a second ago, which
is kind of cool because it reminded me of one
of my dad's favorite songs when I was a kid.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
I just wish I had a headdress. I could stomp
around the house getting my tea.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Very nice, very nice. Oh but anyway, so I want
to thank everybody for hanging out with this. Looks like
a rooster who just got back from his bachelor party
is turning in already.

Speaker 8 (01:30:51):
He's turning into.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Kind of early for a bachelor party.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
Well you gotta know him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I know. I know, and
then again, you know, I'm the guy who almost never sleeps,
so I'm not used to people being like I'm going
to bed at like ten thirty, Like what what? Why? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
I mean i can get up around three, four o'clock
and I'm still up to like ten to thirty eleven o'clock,
usually fighting with communists, which has been my week.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Well, yeah, it's funny because you know, now that I'm
getting older, I find some commercials or humorous like the
one where they're like, hey, we should get together this
week and they're like, you should come out to my
house by nine, and then we're gonna meet up with
my friends at like ten thirty, and they're like at night.
Oh yeah, it's funny because remember when we were kids

(01:31:45):
and we're like, I can't wait until I'm able to
stay up as late as I want to and nobody
can yell at me about it, and most of the
time we're wishing we could be in bed by nine.
Nine thirty now.

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, sounds too late, you know after four.

Speaker 9 (01:32:00):
I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
It used to be it used to be four am,
and I was like, I should probably go home. Now
it was four pm, and I'm like why am I
not already at home?

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Dude. I remember rolling into work the next day in
the same uniform because it was in my car. Because
I left work, went straight to a club, partied all
night through my uniform back on in the club bathroom,
and then came back to work and was frantically like
trying to wash the handstamp off because I realized, even
though they don't normally show up except for anything under

(01:32:32):
black Life, for some reason, you could see that one,
and I'm like, gotta get it all. No, no, no, no,
But yeah, dude, I miss being young.

Speaker 8 (01:32:40):
I don't. Well, well you cocaine, I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Was gonna say, I think the reason you don't miss
being young is because, see I had I had some fun,
but I didn't really do anything too wild and crazy.
You kind of you kind of you, kind of rode you,
kind of rode the young the you Traine kind of hard,
my friend.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
I uh, you know, I did my share and your share.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
And have the chat chears.

Speaker 8 (01:33:07):
Yeah, I half the people in the chest share. So yeah.
But skycryptids is the topic. Yes, not what we did, right,
you know, the one thing that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Everything that we've.

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
Talked about up to this point, you know, the pattern
is really hard to ignore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Every time the.

Speaker 8 (01:33:29):
Wig ones appear, something breaks. Soon after a bridge collapses,
a reactor explodes, the skyline burns. You know, at first
it looks like superstiction, linking coincidence with calamity. But like
you say, you don't believe in coincidence. But trace the
timeline and the proximity titans until the boundary between omen

(01:33:49):
an event dissolves. The sightings are like a timestamp. You know,
you have the Silver Bridge in sixty seven that still
anchors that pattern. A year of red eyes, dead pets,
and electrical interference followed by metal fatigue. No one predicted,
you know. The engineers called it a stress failure. Locals

(01:34:09):
called it a prophecy fulfilled. Even now, the survivors of
that night will tell you they saw something on the
bridge hours before the collapse, something purged, as if purcha,
as if waiting. You know, whether that memory is literal
or reconstructed from the myth, it really doesn't matter. The
event retroactively created its witness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
So there's another instance like this. Churner Obl's Blackbird actually
followed the same script. Shall we say, workers that the
reactor described a dark manscaped figure with enormous wings hovering
over Unit four. In the days before the explosion that
we all heard about on TV and radio, several received
anonymous phone calls filled with static. Others dreamed of screaming metal.

(01:34:55):
After the meltdown, those who lived long enough to recount
it said the creature a warning. Investigators later wrote the
accounts off as trauma's way of making sense of chaos,
but the description matches point pleasant word for word, wings eyes, dread, disaster,
and by two thousand and one, the myth itself had
gone global. The days leading up to the September eleventh attacks,

(01:35:19):
a handful of New York folks witness New Yorker's witnesses
claimed to see winged shadows crossing the skyline at night,
big shapes that vanished into the drawn into the dawn hayes. Afterward,
photos circulated online showing blurred silhouettes around the towers, every
pixel of smoke, a warshack blot for grief. Experts dismissed

(01:35:40):
them as paradalia, Yet the public fascination was instant. Once again,
catastrophe had summoned the watcher. Every lens turned skyward became
a confessional.

Speaker 8 (01:35:55):
He had the same thing. After Fukushima. In twenty eleven,
YoY the same repeated rich One. Locals near the Diaeti
plant described black figures in the smoke, shapes flickering through
the rising heat after the earthquake. You know, some thought
it was debris, and others said it was the same
old omen. The myth had mutated into a contagion, carried

(01:36:15):
by fear and broadcast by satellite. You know, the disaster zones,
people didn't just look for survivors, they looked for wings.

Speaker 9 (01:36:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:36:22):
Statistically the pattern means nothing. Psychologically it means everything. In
Jungian terms, the wings shadow is the collective embodiment of anticipation,
the human psyche warning itself of collapse. You know. In Young,
in terms of flight symbolizes freedom, then the shadow of
flight symbolizes consequence. We dream of flyming, we dream of flying,

(01:36:46):
and that's all great and fun. But the dream almost
always turns dark. And that's because something in the unconscious
has recognized that the drop, the drop that's coming. You know,
we don't imagine wings to escape disaster. We imagine them
to acknowledge its inevitability.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
So Young called this compository symbolism, the psyche balancing the
rationale with the irrational to restroy or to restore internal order.
When societies approach crisis, they're collective unconscious projects omens archetypes
of impending correction wings become the visible face of that adjustment.

(01:37:24):
We summon this guy's predators to devour the illusion we
can't let go of. And because these archetypes repeat them repeat,
they feel prophetic. We are being warned by something outside
of us, we're warning ourselves.

Speaker 8 (01:37:41):
But the other interpretation is darker. What if the omen
isn't prediction but participation?

Speaker 9 (01:37:48):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:37:49):
What if the awareness itself acts as ignition? You know what,
enough people focus dread on an idea, reality bends to
accommodate it. And we covered this in the Quantum Mechanics show,
you know. And in this case, fear creates the stage
and belief animates the actor. The mothman doesn't predict tragedy.

(01:38:10):
We manifest tragedy to justify the mothman, you know, And
then the loop completes itself. Every sighting becomes both cause
and effect.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
So physicists exploring the observer effect might appreciate the symmetry
attention collapses probability into event. In that light, the omen
becomes a quantum hunting consciousness, interacting with its own catastrophe.
The wings appear because we expect them, and the expectation
is creative. We are, in effect authoring our own prophesies

(01:38:43):
in real time. That theory aligns uncomfortably well with data.
Every viral panic accelerates catastrophe, not physically, but socially. Markets crash,
government's falter reactors fail from human error. We look up
for the monster, and in looking we become its engineers.
It's not that the winged ones call is ruined, It's

(01:39:06):
that ruin requires wings to take shape. Energy seeks form,
and fear is very efficient fuel.

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
Yeah, with this archetype, it always ends with descent. You know,
from Prometheus to Lucifer to Icarus, flight is punished. We
never imagine the creature returning safely to heaven. It always falls.
The modern omens play replay that myth through technology, bridges,
fall towers systems. Each collapse is a feather shed by

(01:39:36):
civilization itself. To use the flight metaphor, you know, what
began as folk word becomes a self portrait.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yeah so, but maybe That's why the winged figures keep
coming back, not to save us, not to even warn us,
but to remind us of what it looks like when
the ground rushes up. They're not angels or demons. They're accelerants.
They appear when balanced tips, when enter by overtakes control.
When the future needs a symbol, we call them omens

(01:40:11):
because it's easier than admitting they might be us, our
shadows from within, projected skyward.

Speaker 8 (01:40:20):
You know, when the next disaster arrives, and there will
always be a next disaster, someone will see wings, you know,
they'll swear the air went still, the pressure built before
the fall, the look up and fuel recognition. Not surprised.
It's because on some level we know what we've called
down and or you know, more to the point, we

(01:40:41):
sense its presence, you know, if it is a Hartbringer,
if it is you know, prophecy, or you know, like
in that Twilight Zone with first William Shatner than John Lithgow,
the gremlin on the wing ripping out the engine. You
know it's yea, we it's always out of the corner

(01:41:03):
of our eye, you know, and whether it's causing the catastrophe,
prophesizing it or just watching it. Whether we manifested or
you know, it bleeds through, it's always going to seem
to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Well, I mean, so well, you're bringing up an interesting
point because these things have always been here and they
they've been such a part of our collective consciousness that
they've now made their way into pop culture. I would
like to remind everybody of the show Fringe, where one
of the several of the story arcs involve a group
called the Observers that you know, most people couldn't that

(01:41:43):
couldn't see them. They were they're basically like they're they're
that writer's version of the Shadow People, and they always
showed up at the worst possible times. So, I mean,
these things have been around so long that they've they
weave their way into our pop culture references, they weave
their way into our nightmare and I still, you know,
as we start wrapping things up, I can't stop thinking

(01:42:06):
about the fact that just a few months ago, I
was reading an article that said that pretty much at
this point, with our level of understanding, that time travel
is now an engineering problem, not not a sci fi problem,
And that that started me thinking that, you know, if
we've already determined that it's possible to do it even

(01:42:27):
if we don't understand the engineering of it yet. That
means it's probably already happened. Then it actually inspired a
show that we did recently. So I keep coming back
to these things that are here and some of the
worst parts of our history, and keep wondering, is it
possible that they're in these worst parts of our history
because they already know about them from their history.

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
Absolutely, And that gets into the shadow people, you know,
where there are they you know, time travelers or ultra
dimensional that gets in I mean, so much of what
we touch on, you know it really I don't want
to say it can be explained by quantum physics, but
it can't not be explained, you know, as we understand
it right now. It's just one piece of the puzzle

(01:43:12):
we haven't figured out yet. And from everything I'm understanding,
especially about you know eaight, and it's it's all really possible.
You know, all of these things you know exists somewhere,
and it's just whether we you know, it's like that,

(01:43:36):
it's like in the original Beetlejuice, you know, it's not
that you know, they can't see the ghosts that they
choose not to, you know, and in times of catastrophe,
you know, it's when everything, when everything is falling apart,
and our reality is already shaken by the calamity that's occurring,

(01:43:58):
then why wouldn't there be a moth man there? Or cats,
a quaddal or batsquatch? You know. I mean, it's it
just makes perfect sense that, you know, whether we manifested
itself or it's there, we can finally see it, you know,
because our reality has just been completely shattered by Yo,

(01:44:22):
the World Trade Center falling in front of our face.
Mount Saint Helen's blowing up, a bridge falling. You know,
all these catastrophes are already shaking us to the core.
Why wouldn't something all of a sudden become visible.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Yeah, so, I will admit we moved to the Seattle
area in eighty six. That was one of the biggest
things I brought up to my mom when she was like,
we should move to Seattle with this guy that I've met,
And I'm like, you know, there's a volcano that just
blow up there a few years ago, right, I don't
know how I feel about that.

Speaker 8 (01:44:54):
Well, you can't do it again, but.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Oh well, I didn't know how long we were going
to be there, so I didn't know. You know, for
all I know, it could have done it again before
we moved away. But luckily we weren't there as long
as I thought we were going to be. But anyway,
it's the story for another day.

Speaker 8 (01:45:13):
So for the last three weeks we've covered all the monsters,
each of them older than language. But as curtis Tomorrow's news,
you know, the forest gave us the predators that walk
among us, the deep gave us things that rise from below,
and the sky gives us judgment and prediction, and from
above every element is complete, and the only one that

(01:45:36):
remains is ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
It's funny that in this didn't occur to me until
we were going through the notes. This is basically the
basic elements that everyone used to keep track of, you know,
when you know, science was young and new and we
were just starting to understand everything. The only one that
isn't here yet is fired. It's earth, air, and water.

(01:46:01):
I just that's interesting, So that just that just occurred
to me. But the pattern of October is has always
no accident. Each layer strips away another illusion of safety,
until all that's left is reflection. So we built fences, submarines, airplanes,
and cameras, Yet the monsters keep pace. They've adapted to

(01:46:22):
every light we shined them. What if that's because they
were never out of sight to begin with.

Speaker 20 (01:46:31):
Yeah, and you know the.

Speaker 8 (01:46:32):
Monster of the sky they exposed. The final inversion is
humanity's fear of being watched is the inverse of us
being craving to be noticed. You know, Warhol set everybody's
favorites for fifteen minutes. You know everybody wants to be noticed.
This is the opposite of that. This is the You
don't want to be noticed by the thunderbird. You don't
want to be noticed by the moth man. You know

(01:46:54):
it open air is terrifying because it's too large to control.
You know, we can air into it as sooner or
later it stares back. It's not because it's haunted, but
it's because.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
You know we are. So the lesson across every legend
tonight is that the moment we name a thing, we
give it flight. And I'm gonna take it a step
further when you when when you name something, you give
it power, so that that that's just so. The first
step a creation is at tension. The second is fear.

(01:47:27):
Together they form wings, and so long as we keep
looking up, the watchers will keep returning reflections, searching for hosts.

Speaker 8 (01:47:40):
Yeah, I'm sorry, that just kind of gave me the
chools from it. Uh So, looks like we turn we
turn the len you know, we're turning the lens downwards.
The monsters won't descend from the clouds, but they're in
our neighborhoods. You know, they're on the quiet corners of
our own design, you know, because these opens, you know,

(01:48:02):
they don't arrive, they evolve, you know, And we'll be
doing big the bigfoots and you know, the the heavy hitters.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Yeah were we We gave the heavy the heavy hitters
there their own hour because we're like, yeah, we need
to do that. But so until next week, ladies and gentlemen,
keep your lights low, your cameras ready, and your questions open.
If you see something that you that overheard tonight, don't run.
Just remember belief first reason. Second doubt is eternal. If

(01:48:34):
it explains itself, it dies. If it resists explanation, it lives.
And that's why our show is in that particular sweet
spot because we talk about all the things that deflyf
the fly defy explanation.

Speaker 8 (01:48:50):
So and also week five because we're doing we called
an audible on this one, because the first of November
is a Saturday, too, we will be doing a panel
show discussing our favorite cryptids. Hopefully we'll get Aggie on.
We'll be able to talk to some anthropology about him.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
And yeah it's I know we've got I know, we've
got VS on that night to talk Bigfoot, so that
I think we can rope jeff in on that night too.
I just want to talk about alien.

Speaker 8 (01:49:23):
Oh no, no, no, no, he's a big bigfoot guy too.
He saw him on Besy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
No, I know, I was just easing. I have to
give Jeff gives me a hard time.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
Okay, going back to that, I reminded when I was
a kid at camp and you know, this was this
was in the days of in search of and I
was in the front of the bus. I was talking
to the bus driver. You know, this was before the
days of the internet. This was before you know, this
is when if you wanted to you know, find out

(01:49:57):
about you know a cryptid or something or you know
some conspiracy theory, you had to go get a book
you know, you had to go out and do your
own research. You had to experience it, and it was
just kind of funny with the crossover with with aliens
and Bigfoot. Is that the bus driver put it into

(01:50:18):
my head. I don't know how we got on the topic,
but this was up in Tahoe and it was kind
of a freaking night. We were driving home from something
back to camp, and uh, we got talking about Bigfoot
and then he's all, you know, every time there was
a Bigfoot fight siding, there was also a flap of
UFO sidings.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Because Bigfoot is an alien man?

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
I mean it would would it would fit? I mean,
you know, everybody's seen Star Wars. Chebacca looks in off like.

Speaker 8 (01:50:49):
It was quite the US.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Oh all right, so this seems like it'd be a
good time to mention the play one more time so
I don't get sign from the programming director. So yeah,
Friday night, October twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, come hang
out with the k on Radio KLR and radio players
as we present the Day the Earth Stood Still. It'll
start at Aggie time, so there will be no he

(01:51:16):
said she said that week, but you'll get the play instead,
So we're gonna do the play in its entirety. Then
we're gonna do an after party where we hang out
with the folks in the chat and also announce the
Winter play because I guess that has already been decided
to play. So I'm excited about that. I usually ask
to be left in the dark about this stuff until
the announcements comes so I can be the giddy school kid.

(01:51:37):
So I'm cool with that.

Speaker 8 (01:51:39):
Yeah, No, I'm excited about the Winter play. And uh,
you know, we've already got quite a the bit of
the cast in mind to just provide and everybody who's
already committed to the Winter play too, you know, like
Chen and Yeah, there's some people who won't be in
our fall play because you know they've got family and

(01:51:59):
Halloween stuff going on. But we did get a lot
of old names back. We got Mickey Mickey Blowtorch, he'll
be there, Fu, we got Lou back. We've got new
people with Biff and Janelle Wawse, you'll have me, Rick, Dave, Media,
Jeff obviously. You just it's it's great fun. We have

(01:52:24):
such fun doing it because you know, our instruction is
here's your lines. Have fun with it, and I don't
know anybody who doesn't add.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Lib a lot. Well, it's because the original instructions where
well the original instructions that I got because I missed
the first one on October, but I was there for
the for the one for for the Winter play, and
everybody was like, all right, so your objective is to
add lib and try to get the person who has
lines right after you the left hard that they miss.

Speaker 8 (01:52:56):
That was it was kind of fun when we did
the first one. You know, Mickey pitched it to me
and you know, we got talking about it, and you know,
when we brought everybody in. It was when we did
War of the Worlds. Was read it like the rat
Pack in you know, Vegas Suite, just drunk and reading
the script, you know, and just messing with you, you know,
and just having fun with it. And everybody was playing

(01:53:20):
it pretty straight until I came out with Farmer Wilmouth
and Aggie almost lost her shit. So after that everybody
just kind of loosened up and had a blast. And
that's been the method going forward ever since. And uh, yeah,
it's just it's just so much fun to do.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
So yeah, I will say this, if you're expecting to
tune in and hear like polished, audible style radio plays.
We do our best to give you a great production,
but we also have a lot of fun with it too,
so it's not going to be completely perfect and polished
and all that, because none of us really believe in that. Anyway,
you listen to our shows, we try not to do
that because to me, I mean, and I get it,

(01:54:05):
a lot of podcasts that make all the money and
stuff are perfect and their pollos and they always hit
all their marks and they edit like crazy. To me,
I always feel like they lose a step somewhere when
they started doing all that. I like the raw field.
I don't know if that keeps us mid level forever.
I'm kind of okay with, you know, and.

Speaker 10 (01:54:22):
That's just it.

Speaker 8 (01:54:23):
I have fun, you know, and that's you. And that's
why it's kind of funny, is that the evolution of
kale R and a lot of people pre recorded their shows.
I don't think we have a pre record anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
No, we know all but we did the yeah, I mean,
which surprises me because some of Jeff's I was like, dude,
yours would still be so much easier if you pre
recorded them, and he's like, yeah, it's not as much.

Speaker 8 (01:54:52):
I remember who hesitant of doing it live and then
after he did it live. Doing it live is so addictive.
It's just because you get the immediate feedback from the
chat you get and we've gone off on so many
tangents and you but getting back to your point about
us not being polished it, there have been actual people
who are like, what is this a high school production? Yes,

(01:55:12):
with alcohol and drugs.

Speaker 18 (01:55:15):
So I see, yeah, so basically over again. But yeah,
what what is this a bunch of high school kids
sitting on a zoom call? Yeah, basically because we were
using Skype bag we.

Speaker 8 (01:55:25):
Were We literally pulled it off with Skype. And if
you've ever used Skype, you know what a herculean task
that was to pull it off. And uh yeah. Now
we're using a stream yard and restream for everything we do,
and those are great. You know, if if you're thinking
about doing a podcast, use those. I love both of them. So,

(01:55:48):
but yeah, it's yeah, if you're looking for polish, we
ain't it. If you're looking for fun that we're your jam, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Mean, and and to me and it's it's part of
the theater of the mind the live radio thing. Even
with the podcast versions, the one that you can catch later,
I usually don't go heavily edited on those, and trust me,
I get complaining emails from people. You know, more people
would listen to this if you, if you, if you
made it sound more perfect, I'm like, that's never been
my plan though, So thanks for your coming back though,

(01:56:21):
appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
Thanks, thanks for the listen, so.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
You want so and so there was one guy who
said that send it. Send the email to me like
three three weeks in a row, like the same day
every day. You know, this is the third time I
emailed you about this, and you know, if you'd cleaned
some of this stuff up and make it sound more polished,
more people would listen. I'm like, so you want us
to be just like everybody else, that's kind of that's
kind of what we're trying not to do. But again,

(01:56:47):
thanks for the feedback for the third time.

Speaker 8 (01:56:50):
I mean not to talk. But that's like when you know,
foo and I when we were doing you know, foo bar,
and then we went over to Mojo five oh for
a while, and then you know, after Doc left us,
the instructions came down to how they wanted the podcast
to go, and we just kind of said thanks, but

(01:57:10):
no thanks, and we're going back to you know, we're
just gonna stick strick with calor. And because there was simulcast,
it was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
But you know, yeah, well, all I can say about
that is, you know, there's the only thing left on
Mojo of five oh anymore is the morning show. Yeah,
everything else is pretty much gone a couple And now
the funny thing about Mojo is they actually there were
some folks that use them as a springboard. They're over

(01:57:39):
on not not Newsmax, but the other one, one America.
I can't think of that, Yeah, that one. There's there's
a couple of folks that started out with me over
on Red State Talk Radio and then went to other places,
and now they're on like one American news network. And
I'm like, yeah, I haven't so And everybody's like, why

(01:58:04):
don't you try harder to get your stuff on there?
And I'm like, because the one time they ever interviewed me,
they took my best line and stole it as their own.
I hold grudges, dude. That really did make me better.

Speaker 8 (01:58:17):
And it was years ago by you know, behind the scenes,
you were going off about it for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Dude, it was well, it was like it was right
around the It was right around the time that I finally,
you know, came to terms with the fact that I
was going to be voting for Trump in twenty twenty,
and I put a post out about it and it
absolutely blew up. And the next thing I know, I've
got a producer from OA and N wanting to know
if I wanted if I want to be interviewed about it.
I'm like, okay, sure. So they talked to me for

(01:58:44):
like ten minutes. They cut it down to three minutes,
and they took in the person that actually was talking.
As you know, they were cutting in and out of
what I was I was talking about, took my closing
line and made it their own. I was, dude, that's
still I'm mad. I'm still mad.

Speaker 8 (01:59:04):
People steal my memes. I had a perfectly good meme
and Ian Miles want Wrong stole it, posted it as
own as funny is in My original tweet still got
more than his did, and most of his replieshere people saying, yeah,
it was funnier when already did it, but fuck that. Yeah, well, anyway,

(01:59:24):
believe it or.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
Not my friend. We've come to the end of the
two hours working folks.

Speaker 8 (01:59:29):
Find this week you can find me which ship? Where
am I? This week? Tomorrow you can find me on
the Vincent Charles Project, where we will be discussing the
radio play Deep Space nine and a few other things.
Then uh, Tuesday will be I'll be on Manorama with
you and Vincent Charles and some random Canadian and you know,

(01:59:53):
hopefully we get Jeff on there again. And uh, let's
see Wednesday, I'm here with you, and then back get
on Rick and Ordy and then Friday night I'll be
in the play.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Are you back with me?

Speaker 9 (02:00:07):
Was doing?

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Are you really?

Speaker 8 (02:00:08):
Because well, you know I'm not traveling this week, and
yes I know I have. I have several days to
catch up with on my thirty one days of one Go.
This has been a hell of a week, but I'm
not abandoning it like I've had to do.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
In years past.

Speaker 8 (02:00:22):
It's just, uh, I've got to catch up tomorrow. I
was supposed to catch up today, but once again things
went He's work that you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Don't look for me, it's a trap. You can find
me tomorrow night doing the Kingdom and Country podcast right
here on Kayla already. You can find me Monday Night
doing America Off the Rails Kingdom and Country, depending on
Jeff's timeframe. When he wraps up will be probably sometime
around or after nine pm Eastern, since al is still
out for a little bit longer, and then Monday Night

(02:00:58):
America Off the Rails ten Eastern. Tuesday, we do the
Rick Robinson Show. That's Tuesday through Friday, starting at ten
am Tuesday Night. Back around with you at Manorama Wednesday night.
A full panel on our full showboat as usual on Wednesday,
so I'll be involved in all that there somewhere, so
for everything else, feel free to check our schedule because
if I told you all the shows I did, we'd

(02:01:19):
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(02:01:39):
Wednesday Night. Looks like we did finally get pretty close
to nine hundred, So i'll take that. I'll take that.
Did I say Wednesday? Yeah, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday,
kind of like Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. All right, bye. Everybody
that el hydra no healing of the hydro, had this discussion.

Speaker 8 (02:02:17):
M hmm