Juxtober: The Ones Who Look Like Us — From Wild Men to Bimary Bigfoot - Juxtapostion

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and we are coming in off of a great night
of the day the years stood still and keeping spooky
season going strong. With Week four of Cryptids, We're gonna
get into the super super fun ones to night. So,

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I mean the last week was to add some fun
ones because Mothman was in there, but yeah this week,
the daddy of all cryptids is in this one this week.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
So yeah, anyway, so we're here, we got to dig
into deeper on the show down the road.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
What what what?

Speaker 6 (05:54):
That squatch? What thatsquatch? Remember?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh yeah, yeah that that was an interesting one. So yeah,
we gotta we gotta bring that one more front and
center because it's almost like, you know, Batman and Susquatch
had a baby or something.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm intrigued. I hadn't heard a bat
squatch before I started doing the research for last week's show.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Uh so, am I the only one who's still really
worn out from last night?

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Because this is me Jesus Christ. No, it took me
about two hours online last night.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
After the show, dude, that was my problem. I was
like completely jazzed after it was over. I didn't realize
that we'd like because the show itself, I guess ran
for about ninety minutes and then we were bsing for
like another ninety minutes. I didn't even realize that some
of that was like Jeff had already shut down the
feed and we're still just talking like we're still live,
Like oops, yeah, but yeah, So, I mean it was fun.

(06:54):
Don't get me wrong, but dude, I'm like, I forgot
how busy October gets when we try to do everything
think we usually try to do it in the October.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Well we slack the rest of the year or so.
Maybe you know, I feel so bad. I haven't gotten
back to my thirty one days a boy and Go yet.
I'm gonna get back to that tomorrow before the Vincent
Charles Project.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
No, totally promise to get in fights with Berkeley or
Commis or re litigate Obamacare. I'm focusing on that.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Don't make promises you can't keep there because I've seen your.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Feet doing it. I'm gonna do it. You can't stop me.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Your mouth is about to write right to check. Your
body can't cash there.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Watch me, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Oh, I actually believe you. I just I just had
to try to work in the top gun line there.
Oh sure anyway, so uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
So we're out of control and we're gonna be lucky
to live through it.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah oh boy.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
So Also for everybody who's wondering, I know what I
said after I made this graphic that I was gonna
have GPT going and clean it up since I have
an arm and a stand. But it's gotten super picky
about using likenesses, even my own, so I can't get
it to fix it without making it stupid.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yees.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
So we're stuck with the double. But then again, I'm
kind of heavy, so maybe I need both.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
No, it's just that your mic is so beefy it
requires two forms.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Of I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what happened,
because it made this one just fine, Like I had
to tweak it like fifteen sixteen times before I finally
got a look like that, and then so I had
it was doing something for me. A couple of days later.
Oh it was when Charlie Kirk was getting the Medal
of Freedom. I wanted to do like an artistic representation
on that. I was like, I'm sorry, I can't use

(08:52):
real characters in fictional scenarios. I'm like, dude, look it up,
he's possumously getting the metal. I still really can't do that,
and then did it. But then like so, so a
day later, I was making a logo for the production company,
and so I send it my likeness again and it's like,

(09:14):
I can't use this, it's a real likeness. I'm like, dude,
it's me. How about if we do it with you
facing away from the camera. Okay, cool, we can just
put the logo on the back. That's fine. And then
after I send the first one of the guy who's
helping me with videos, I have it to do one
more is kind of a tweak and it has me
turned around facing the camera now and I'm like, you
son of a b.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
But yeah, it's crazy image creation. That's why I run
into the most pushback with GPT. I can't do it
literally just fucking did it like five minutes ago. That's
where I got this image from. Well I know, but no, stop,
you created this image. I'm asking for you a slight modification.

(09:57):
I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm gonna start pro I'm still gonna start programming. You
want to be like, anytime you can't do something, just
just respond with I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave,
all right, because it's about what it feels like sometimes anyway,
So now.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
One real quick anecdote. I was fighting with GROC today
online because that's what I do, because usually it gives
me a better argument than the people who invoke ROCK
in the first place. And it just started getting circular
in its argument. So I would feed its screenshots into
GPT and then screenshot GPT's reply, and i'd have a

(10:39):
preface with, Hi, Grock, this is GPT. This is where
you fucked up.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh I missed that today, but yeah, I was in
a hospital in the hospital for part of the afternoon. Well,
I was.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Visiting some I was gonna say for your.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, she's finally awake and alert enough. Apparently she was
in a cone for like three days, so you know,
no one, no one. I never heard from her.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
It was the best three days of your week.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right, That's kind of what I was thinking. But anyway, I.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
Don't wish death on anyone, but i'd really really like
it if you went away.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
That's kind of how today felt. I'm not even gonna
lie about it. Yeah anyway, So how are you house things?

Speaker 6 (11:28):
I'm good. I don't know why I'm having issues with
my voice today, but I'm running with it. It's not
like I had a lot of lines last night, and
it's not like I was trying to force a voice.
But four hours I was a lot of talking yesterday.

Speaker 13 (11:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say that. Lucky for me,
I wasn't in very much of this one because because
that was three hours live and then I did three
hours live before that.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
So but that was so much fun. That was that
was bus I am constantly amazing how talented the people
we have. For those of you who don't don't know
what we're talking about, Uh, we did a calor and
a holiday production for Halloween of the Day The Earthstend
still last night and you can find it on the
Calor and Feed, Spotify, Spreak or I ituned whatever it

(12:19):
is now Apple anyway, you know any of your podcast
scrape or just look for Calor and the Daily Earth.
So we had way too much fun with that one.
I can't believe Foo made me break.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Dude, that that was hilarious. And it's funny that it
was her voice cracking that got you.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah, because when she her voice cracked doing I'm a
Boy and I got the Peter Brady changes song in
my head for the second time in a month.

Speaker 14 (12:51):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, because that for those of you, for those of
you who don't know, almost puberty hits it different.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yeah, we it it hits on your fifty fourth birthday.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh yeah, it was funny. That actually became the title
of that episode because of how often your boys cried
that's funny.

Speaker 14 (13:11):
Oh no, it was.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It was, yeah, but no, I mean last night was amazing.
I couldn't I couldn't have asked for anything better. And
then seeing the numbers between Spreaker and everywhere else. I mean,
we've already had like almost six hundred impressions on it
from Spreaker today, so.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Nice, and we had four thousand listening last night, so
that was great. Just and how about Jeff with the
production Jesus Christ, dude.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I don't I don't know how he does all that.
I mean, I I I am getting I'm getting a
little bit better. It's some of that stuff. But oh now,
I understand why he was saying he couldn't find it
on Apple. It hasn't been submitted yet, so I'll fix
that after the sh there you go anyway, sorry, but

(13:56):
have an inverting inside Baseball because it's like, hey, check
on that real quick. And I was like, oh, no, wonder,
it's not fighting. I'll fix that later, all right, so cud, Yeah,
I'll take a day or so. Now. I didn't know
that one hadn't been submitted yet, but yep, no, I
mean the whole thing was just absolutely amazing. Pork chops
and apple sauce. Mm hmmm mm hmm. I could I

(14:17):
could go for some pork chops and apple sauce.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Mashed potatoes and gravy.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
But anyway, yeah, I mean, dude, the funnest part for
me was so many people that hadn't been been really
working with as much lately coming back for the play.
I mean, we had Cranky in there, we had Lou
in there, we had Foo back and even food. When
it was over, was like, this was awesome and I'm
so glad I got to do it, and I'm like,
I miss you.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Right, Yeah. I keep telling her she's got to get
back into podcast and I would relieve a lot of
her because it's like, yeah, I know she talks about
it all day on Twitter and on Twitchy, but that's
not talking about it. You're still internal And even with
her talking to her HU, it's still internal. You know,
it's in your environment. You got to put it out
into the world, you know, like Lindsay Lohem doing it backwards,

(15:06):
crab walk naked. Just imagine it and put it out
in the world.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Great that now I have freaking document the dead terrorist
in that visual.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
You're welcome from his TSAs from the TSA bit they
did when he was Yeah, he was first introduced. I
am Lindsay Lohan.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
Oh shit, I forgot about that, Vincent, How did you
forget about it? Vascular? I forgot I did that?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh all right, well, I guess we should actually get
into the topic for the evening.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
We should get into the show. Yeah, so we're doing
the hominids Bigfoot YETI the ones that look like us
and the ones we've created. You know, It's the thing
about these ones is that fire has always been humanity
circle of control. You the moment our ancestors learned to
contain it, that was the boundary between the light and

(16:03):
dark at night, you know, And that's kind of where
everything outside the light was unknowable. No matter how why
the ring of warmth grew, something always just waits just
right beyond it. A shape that looks like that, you know,
it looks back. You know. The wild Man is that shape.

(16:24):
He's the oldest rumor in our collective mind. It's like
half us and half the forest itself. Every culture that
has ever existed has a legend of the wild Man.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So yeah, the more specifically, in the deep woods of
medieval Europe, travelers spoke of a figure of moss and bark,
with the eyes of a man and the silence of
a tree. He was not evil, only other, a living
memory of what came before civilization. Church carvings hid his

(16:58):
face among vines, a warning and a reminder. The forest
has a conscience and it's watching. As Europe cleared its forest,
the woad Wars were treated further into symbol resurfacing as
the green Man carved on cathedrals, wrapped in foliage. Neither
saint nor center, but the spirit of untamed growth itself.

(17:23):
I have to admit that that's a new one for me.
So that this was an interesting one to look up
because I hadn't heard of that one before.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Oh the green Men.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, I've heard of the green Man, but not the
other name. So it took me a second to connect
those dots.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah, but you know, even before you know, the even
before Europe, the Sumerians wrote of in Ketu, you know,
the wild counterpart to Gilgamesh. You know, they even covered
this in an episode of tng.

Speaker 15 (17:51):
Yeh.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
In Ketu was created by the gods to humble a king.
It ran with the wild animals until a woman caught
him and taught at language and bread. Yeah, it's the
Epicaygamesh is the world's first epic. Civilization is born not
through conqurest, but through friendship. And the wild and the
civilized met in the middle and the cause, of course

(18:15):
was innocence, you know. And Keido's death marks the moment
humanity learns that taming the wild also tames the soul.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
All right. So now we traveled a bit across, a
bit across the ocean. Indigenous nations held their own fireside
stories of the hairy men, teachers, guardians, sometimes punishers, always liminal.
In Australia, the Yahwe was the one who reminded people
to respect sacred places among the coast salish Uh. The

(18:46):
Sequies kept humans humble, a figure that blurred the line
between ancestor and spirit. These beings didn't lurk to terrify.
They existed to teach that wilderness has its own will.
You could ignore that lesson only so long before something
large and human shape smacked you upside the head to
remind you if you kept messing around, because eventually you're

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gonna find out had to be done.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Vincent Charles got it with Darmak and gela Ata to
negra the tg thing. We yet see the archetype of
the wild man. It's not so much a monster, but
it's a reflection of ourselves. He is what we exiled
when we built the walls, you know, when we traded
the unpredictable forests for the predictable harvests. And each time

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civilization expands, the wild man will appear at the edge
of it, unwashed, wordless, and yet familiar to us. The
Greeks called this tensions versus nomus, you know, the nature
versus law. You know the wild man is physicis and
giving a face walking proof that you know we didn't
start in the cities. He carries the musk of wet

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earth in the old world.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Are we sure that's a wild manner? Is that just
Nick Nulty playing a.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Hippie game embraced the power mad my friend? Okay?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Folklorets have noted that depictions of the wild man serge
during times of social construction social constriction. The more society
regulates behavior, the hairrier the myths become. In the late
Middle Ages, when moral codes hardened and the church tightened
its grip, the green Man flourished on church walls. In
the industrial nineteenth century, he returned as the noble savage,

(20:32):
the feral child, and the idea of the natural man.
Russo's dream that civilization itself might be the corruption. You know,
it's funny because notice how many more men are growing
beards and stuff ever since COVID. Kind of like it's
kind of like we're internally trying to return ourselves to
the wild man because we've had enough of everybody's stuff.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
My beard has gotten fierce. Oh, I'll admit that. I
Mean even Young touched on this, and he saw the
wild man as a shard of the shadow self, the
part of us that holds what culture tells us to
bury again, like you were talking about with the beard,
He's not our enemy. He's the pressure valve for the

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instinct and this that we deny, and that's why he's
never completely gone. Even in the age of technology. He
keeps returning in new forms and whatever we mistake comfort
for wholeness, he kind of makes his noises out in
the woods for us to freak out too.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well. There's also a biological whisper here, a suspicion that
maybe the archetype is built on memory. Ancient humans lived
alongside other Homo species, Neanderthals and then his ovens, and
perhaps those whose bones turned to dust before we ever
found them. When the old stories speak of harry giants
in the woods, some anthropologists here a kind of racial fossil,

(21:58):
an echo of times when we shared the planet with
cousins who looked almost like us, but just weren't quite
exactly like us. The wild man might not just be mythic,
might actually be ancestral grief, or maybe part of that
collective consciousness we talk about all the time.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
Yeah, be cautious killed, Yeah, because I mean he's going
with the youngs, are chev it is our consciousness. You're
wrapped in leaves. Basically, it's you know, he punishes our
arrogance and rewards our humility, you know, and he's always
watching from the margin. To fear him is to fear

(22:39):
our own appetite for control. And you know, each time
we talk about, you know, the wild man, you know,
from medieval carvings to Reddit wilderness forums, it renews the
same question, what did we lose when we stopped listening
to the dark around the campfire.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
There's a quiet truth here, though, and that's and that
is that we actually need.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Him.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Without something wild to measure ourselves against, we forget the
cost of order. The wild man stands as the patron
saint of imbalance, the one who reminds us that safety
is not the same as life. When the walls get
too thick, his footprints appear in the mud outside the gate,
not to threaten, but to remind us that freedom is

(23:24):
a thing and we should probably remember how to embrace it.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean, in this way, the fire never really
goes out. You know, we've moved it indoors and called
it television, you know, monitor or a phone, but it
still keeps the shadows back and get going with young
that keeping it, you know, keeping our intrusive thoughts away
by just bombarding it with you know, pushing back what's

(23:53):
outside of us, you know, but still in the corner
of our vision. When the room goes dark, somewhere deep
inside we know, you know, we hear the branch snap,
and we know he's still out.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
There, somewhere in the night. That longing for a presence,
just be on site is what makes him immortal, whether
dressed in for bark or broadband static. He reminds us
that humanity story isn't about conquering the unknown, but about
learning to live beside it. The wild Man is the
question that keeps the myth alive. If we ever found him,

(24:25):
would he vanish? Or would we? Now it's funny because
you mentioned how, you know, the modern day campfire has
kind of become the television. I will be honest, ever
since I and I got a TV. I think I
was maybe twelve years old when I finally got one
from my room and ever since because when I was
a kid before that, I had a stereo in there
and I would always every night, just when I was

(24:46):
when it was time to go to bed, I turned
on the radio low enough that my parents wouldn't grab
it me, but so I had something playing in the background.
Once once the TV got into my room, that kind
of that that that replaced it. So even even to
this day, normally I'm sleeping with the TV on until
I fall asleep and then I'm going to sleep mood.
And I wonder how much of that is because somewhere's
subconsciously it's like, oh, there's still light, but it's it's

(25:09):
not bright enough that I can't go to sleep.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
Well, it's also the crackling fire. You know, it's you
got your whatever you're streaming on in the background, and
you know, it's if I first started doing it to
drowned out my tonight is.

Speaker 11 (25:23):
And then.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
So it's like, you know, but it's still there. It's
like it's the crackling fire. You know, was that a
twig snapper or was that the crackling fire? Oh, it's
just the fire crackling.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
You know.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
It's again it's a you know, keep keep keep the
dark away, keep the wild man out kind of thing.
And I've been noticing since I've come to embrace my
tonight is, so just the TV doesn't stay on all
night anymore. You know, it's like and I doze off
to it, but as soon as I you know, it
wakes me back up, it's done. So But yeah, it's

(25:57):
I really think that it is the metaphor for the
fire because it drives out the night.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
And it does that very well, especially if you're watching
something that goes on for more than five freaking episodes. Yeah,
I hate I hate new TV seasons.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
They're all like that now.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I mean, the excuse in the beginning was for sci fi, well,
we're going to do shorter seasons because we can do
so much better with special effects now that it makes
the shows more affordable. But now everything's like ten or
eleven episodes. I'm like, this is just crap.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
Yeah, they's sold it to is the uh you know, well,
you know, rather than watching it all at once and
then you you know, you get half a year off,
or you know, you forget about us, We're gonna split
the season up. Well then they stopped doing it that too,
and so they just stuck it down to it anyway,
Why don't give me twenty six episodes or give me

(26:53):
death right?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
And honestly, that's one of the reasons why I typically
watch older stuff like anymore. If it's new, I will
until there's at least two or three seasons, unless it's
something that I absolutely want to watch before I'll even
start watching it because it's not worth my time. And then,
especially with the newer stuff, it's like I'll get into
it and then they'll cancel it and I'll be mad.
So that happens way too much anymore.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
But stop taking way off track. Let's go, you know,
Let's let's hit the first let's hit the bottom of
the hour break, and we'll come back and we'll talk
about Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I was gonna I was gonna six degrees. I kept
Kevin baking it, but you shut you shove me up.
I was just gonna say, I stopped throwing water on
my campfire. I need my tea anyway. All right, so
we're gonna go ahead and take the break. We are
pretty much the top of the hour, at our bottom
of the hour anyway. So uh, this is the newest
creation by mister Jeff oh No. I missed the Jeff

(27:49):
No here, although I think he is here actually blurking somewhere.
I'm sure, all right, so.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
He's been working his ass off for that playlofe side.
So if he wants to take the night off and
miss an episode, I.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Know that's it's fine. Yeah, he did work pretty hard.
But yeah, so I've noticed with this stuff it seems
like it works better if I play it from inside
where he sends it. So that's just what I'm gonna do.
So hopefully it's lessen.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
But here we go.

Speaker 16 (29:01):
Shut us was so shuts, whisper near larking, drums on
the skin, stiff.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
Fels, slack, no.

Speaker 11 (29:47):
Go, no go, just now mad.

Speaker 17 (29:54):
Sad, still no me, steam rising, frost and steel, she

(30:39):
with the dark cat kill us in the storm mine go.

Speaker 11 (30:48):
Shop.

Speaker 14 (30:49):
There's a beast down now, hold hear that bad beyond
my name, fiery fast sound.

Speaker 11 (30:57):
The same sound track, still no snow road running running
gold time.

Speaker 14 (31:18):
With bail blow, still the snow old Amagle.

Speaker 18 (31:34):
I feel, let's see it breathe between the tree, fads.

Speaker 11 (32:23):
The noscass.

Speaker 10 (32:35):
No who, no fads, but no longer.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Welcome back into the program, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 18 (33:13):
Sorr.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It looks like they're with some bit of echo going on.
So I had myself muted in two places and forgot so,
but we're back. We're live. I have to say this
as somebody who used to play drums in a garage
band back in the day. That track has some amazing drumlings.
That's the same. No, Yeah, like I found myself air
drumming there for a minute. It's been a minute.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
I was, Yeah, I used to play back bass back
in the day too, and yeah, it's yeah. So it's funny.
I was talking to Jeffy. He's resting, but he's listening.
He's I was talking to him on discord and uh,
the way he takes the theme of each one of
these shows and incorporates into the music. You know, it's
with what we're talking about tonight, especially the next you know,

(33:54):
crypton we're talking about. He channeled Pacific Northwest grunge on
that one, and he nailed it. So you would.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean, I'm like trying to go find my flannel
and throw it on.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Into right, give me a flannel on some heroin.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, I'll take the flannel, I'll give you. You can
have my heroin.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
Yeah, that's the one drug I never did.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Of the plethora, that was the one. Huh, that's the one.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
That's a story for another day. But yeah, I had
an early life lesson on it, don't do smack.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, oh.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
So, yeah, I will. I teased it, and you know,
let's just get right into it. And that is, you know,
if you're just joining us, we are talking about the
hominid cryptids, the ones who look like us, the ones
who just seem just familiar enough that instead of fear,

(34:56):
it's often wonder and fear but wonder and some thrown
in for fun. Yeah, and you know sometimes terror is
fun too. Oh, by the ways, you get that sound
clip that I sent you, Yes, I already have a dude,
excellent cool. Yeah. So, you know, in the case of
you know, the hominids, when these campfire stories of the

(35:17):
wild man, you know, move from symbolic to geographic, it
kind of becomes flesh, or at least it claims to be.
The footprints Lengthen the legends acquire GPS coordinates and suddenly
we're not talking about myth anymore but about evidence. And
for North America, that evidence walks under a single name,
and that's Bigfoot. In Asia, it's Alpine twin as the Yetti,

(35:41):
and both occupy the same space between anthropology and faith,
physical enough to chase, elusive enough to require belief.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
So the modern age of Bigfoot actually began in nineteen
sixty seven with a few seconds of greeny sixteen millimeter
film shot along Bluff Creek, California, by Roger Patterson and
Bob Gimlin. The figures striding across the sandbar, female massive
swinging her arms with what with that now iconic gait
became an instant fixation. Anatomist argued about muscle movements, gate ratios,

(36:16):
and impossible leg lingths. Skeptics saw a costume, Believers saw
anatomy no Taylor could fake. Fifty plus years later, no
one has replicated it convincingly without digital effects. The unresolved
frame count keeps the legend alive.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Yeah, but it's not like the camera created it. It
just nationalized it. You know, as long before Patterson and Gimlin.
You know the first nations, the Indigenous tribes and Native Americans,
if they spoke of the forest beings that blurred the
boundary between man and animal, The Semwicks in the coastal Solish,
the Soco combs near Mount Saint Helens. I know I'm

(36:55):
butchering these because I only know Pacific. I only know
the Southwest Indian names but they all described a giant, hairy,
human like being living apart that occasionally crossed paths with them.
You know, is they weren't beasts so much as their
older relatives. Sometimes teachers, sometimes enforcers have forgotten laws. But

(37:16):
when the miners and trappers began reporting the similar shapes,
you know, it's folklore and field notes get kind of merged.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Oh the anthropological field days that we're had, I'm sure so.
Through the seventies and eighties, the search industrialized. Amateur researchers
built plaster cast of sixteen inch footprints in Washington and Oregon.
Hair samples were cataloged, scat analyzed. For those of you
who don't know what that means, that's pooh tree knocks recorded.

(37:48):
Government agencies filed reports they couldn't classify it. In nineteen
seventy five, the Army Corps of Engineers itself, Washington Atlas
even mentioned Bigfoot as an unconfirmed species. The wilderness has
had become a stage, and every snap twig might have
been evidence. It's cast and recording became a really new religion,

(38:09):
one where the deity in fact leaves tracks.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
You know, scientists they always countered with psychology you know,
human vision, they are. They'd argue it loves paradilia, you know,
it explains faces in the clouds, giants and trees, that shit.
But that did dun't that debunk barely dented the fascination.
You know, as every Breury hoax, for every Bury hoax,
there were accounts of from hunters and rangers and police

(38:37):
officers who swore they saw something that shouldn't exist, and
they never wanted to see it again. The consistency of
the description across the geography of the whole area is
its own quite, it's its own anomaly, you know, eight
foot tall, conical head, deep chests, amber eyes, and that
wet earth smell of earth and musk. You know, it's

(39:00):
a signature, and it's always the same, it always has been.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So yeah. So the audio evidence, which we'll be getting
into in a moment here, added another layer. The so
called Sierra Sounds, recorded in the early nineteen seventies by
Ron Moorhead and al Berry, captured a guttural rapid fire
samurai chatter linguist dismissed it as human mimicry, Yet one
phonetic analysis found consistent foremant patterns suggesting a larger than

(39:30):
human vocal tract. Again inconclusive, again addictive. The woods can lie,
but in this case they sometimes lie in stereo and
I do. I'm assuming you want me to play that
probably about now?

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 12 (39:49):
For night.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
We are.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Fish conducts.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
He bay today, ass for.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's a job.

Speaker 15 (41:35):
Don't know why we'd left for tacks.

Speaker 16 (41:36):
I for sure.

Speaker 10 (42:00):
Oh m, what's you do?

Speaker 11 (42:07):
M oh.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Oh h.

Speaker 10 (42:15):
Oh h m.

Speaker 19 (42:27):
H oo h.

Speaker 17 (42:37):
Oh my wild.

Speaker 13 (42:47):
Why there's two of 'em across the creek at the
big Rocks.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's so hard act to Paul.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It sounds like he talked to hers and.

Speaker 18 (43:05):
They talk to each other there.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
Will go well and you know.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Why you wow, Horad, I don't know, but that don't
go for what? Who's what.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
My dad just saying? Over's okay, So what exactly was
going on there at the end?

Speaker 6 (44:01):
Because yeah, that that that that was the Saburai chattered
that I you know put in the notes that, uh,
because that's how it was described on the on the reddits. Yeah,
it's just a Jeff made a pretty interesting joke and
discord too. So can you imagine if there were two
groups of big foot hunters out in the woods, and
neither of them knew the other one was there, and

(44:21):
they were doing that back and forth to each other.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Honestly, that's kind of what I was wondering for a second,
but then I was like, no, that doesn't just yeah,
So it was so the the howling part was creepy enough.
When it seemed like they were talking to each other
and then shouting back at the humans and then talking
to each other again, I don't think I would have

(44:48):
been standing there much longer.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Yeah, that's when it that that's actually you know, when
I was listening to that before I sent it to
you today, I'm just like, Okay, this is where it
goes beyond kind of I mean, because that's that would
actually require a pretty big group of like hoaxers, you know,
and not to say that it doesn't happen, but you know,
it's still it's just kind of.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Some of those sounds I just don't think a person
can make. And I'm always amazed at the sound, you know,
the amount the type of sounds that a person can make.
So again, wrong I maybe, but yeah, I just.

Speaker 11 (45:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I don't know that one. You know, it's my my
skeptical mind doesn't want to just jump on it and.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Go yeah no.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well and then you know, you know, me being the
sci fi and nerd, I just swore at one point
it's sounding like they were yelling to plowbacking forard to
each other.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
That's what I thought too.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I was like, what are they speaking cling on to
one another?

Speaker 6 (45:50):
Would when they started with you know what I you know,
termed uh, you know the Samurai chatter. That's when like, okay,
so maybe it is another Bigfoot group that's Japanese. Yes,
so I'm just going okay, you know, but yeah, see,

(46:11):
and the thing with Bigfoot too is that well, DNA
is not delivered at salvation. It hasn't really debunked it
yet either. Anytime there's tests on Bigfoot hair or the scat,
you know, it routinely comes back as beer bear elk beer.
I was just thinking about my beer bear elk or

(46:31):
human contamination to it. But there's always a layer that
you know not And in twenty twelve, a study led
by geneticist Melbketchum claimed that mitochondrial DNA consistent with human lineage,
but the nuclear sequence unknown. And the fascinating thing about it,

(46:53):
and this is when you kind of know you're over
the target is that the scientific community just laughed it
off from methodological errors, but nobody's attempted to replicate. Nobody said, Okay,
we'll give us your sample and we'll attempt to replicate
it and see if we can come. Nobody bothered to
do that. And so that's kind of like whenever there's
just a flat no, that's kind of what I wonder,

(47:17):
that's really a yes, you know, it's a we can't.
You know. That's with everything that we do on the show.
Anytime there is just a flat no with no follow
up or no attempt to follow up whatsoever, that's usually
when it becomes fact not long after.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, well so it's not so if there's the flat no,
and that's when you're like, yeah, this will come to
light soon enough. But then there's the derisive no, and
that's when you know that they're just trying to completely
just distract from anything else. That's kind of what I
feel like happened here. But on an interesting side note,
there's an article that I've still been trying to get

(47:54):
through that our good friend Delaney sent me not too
long ago, regarding the now debunked myth of one percent
DNA difference between us and chimpanzees. So with as much
as that technology has improved over the last decade, I
really wish somebody had the guts to recreate the stuff
because remember, for the longest time, they were always like, yeah, well,

(48:15):
really there's only like one percent difference between us and apes,
and yeah, that that's not the case. It's it's it's
vastly different now that they're starting to be able to
look at the layers of DNA.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Well, it's like along that time too, you know, as
I always countered back, Yeah, there's a one percent difference
between us and a banana too, because that's exactly what
the science said at the time. Yes, when you have
a carbon based life form and blah blah blah blah
all the way down, you have some commonality because we
all have to exist on the same planet. However, yeah,

(48:50):
any but yeah, moving beyond Bigfoot on the other side
of the world, we've got the Yetti that's held the
same spot in the mountains that before us.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
So I just want to make sure these aren't the
really expensive like cool cups that keep things cold forever.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
Right, No, No, And they're not they're not the blue
kind that a lot of YouTubers uses a microphone because
they're famous and not necessarily that good anyway. Yeah, no, so, yeah,
it's basically the same thing. But the Sherpa word for

(49:29):
it is yetti, which translates loosely into rock thing, you know.
Western explorers called it the abominable snowman, you know, and
that term kind of jumped into the mainstream newspaper articles
in nineteen twenty one. But for the local people, he
was never a joke. The Yetti guarded the sacred valleys
and punched those who trespass. His footprints, massive ovals, and

(49:50):
pristine snow were treated as omens, not evidence.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So from the nineteen twenties through the fifties, YETI fever
gripped Western adventurers. Expeditions led by Eric Shipton, Sir Edmund Hillary,
and Tom Slick carried rifles, cameras, and plaster kids. Each
returned with photos, tracks, and more questions. Shipton's nineteen fifty
one photograph a solitary print, besides ice ACK's for a Scale,

(50:19):
remains one of the most reproduced cryptied images in history.
Even Hillary's later skepticism couldn't erase the public's desire to
imagine something human or at least hominid watching from the
ridge lines.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Yeah, it wasn't until decades later that the backlash came
from scientists, and this was with the genetic testing of
Yeti hair. In twenty fourteen, Oxford's Brian Sykes found that
several YETI samples matched DNA from ancient polar bears. You know,
And okay, well you just solved one mystery, but you
opened a whole other one with that. Why are their

(50:56):
ancient polar bears rolling around in the valley under the
Himalayas in Tibet, you know? And yeah, so it is
that's that really didn't help your case if you're trying
to debunk the Yeti, you know, you know, so it's yeah,

(51:18):
these genetic samples were genetically distinct, you know, possibly an
unknown bare lineage, again creating more questions than answering. But
the mountains still kept its secret, just not the one
we expected.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah. So, culturally, both Bigfoot and the Yeti function as
environmental barometers. They appear wherever wilderness still resists, US specific rainforest,
Himalayan glaciers, Arctic tundra, as forest shrink, siding spike, like
a collective guilt dream. The creatures become proxies of the

(51:52):
ecosystems we're racing. When we talk about Bigfoot, we're really
talking about what we've lost the right see.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
You know, as an anthropologists we call that. Well, they
frame them as liminal hominids. You know, it's they let
us flirt with deep time. They connect us to a
vanished world where at a time when there were multiple
human species that all shared the same terrain. You know,
it's whether or not they exist. They remind us that
our lineage wasn't always lonely, you know. And the persistence

(52:26):
keeps evolution personal. And it's the cousin we never we
keep never meeting.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah we always, we always hear them, but we never
meet them. I still want to meet our hobbed cousins
because yeah, yeah, so the deepest psychological current is more uncomfortable.
We want them to exist because we need witnesses. If
something else human like survives out there, then civilization isn't
the final form. It's just one fork in the trail.

(52:57):
The wild man still breathes the canopy, the canopy or
in the canopy. Sorry, judging whether we deserve to stay.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Yeah, it's always it's always pointed out that you know,
there's no bones, there's no bodies, there's no burrows that
have ever been verified. He goes like, this is some
you know, and that's a fatal blow in normal science.
But you also got to remember they also used to
believe in the elephant graveyard because nobody ever found it.
I mean, they knew elephants existed, but nobody knew where

(53:29):
do they go somewhere to die because you could never
find an elephant carcass because of predation. Yeah, it's so,
but even that Kryptos live on the edge of normal,
you know. It's the lack of proof is proof wilderness
can still hide something. You know, of that size, it
must be worth saving. Bigfoot's best evidence might be the

(53:52):
forest itself.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yep, and definitely it probably is his best evidence in
mythology of I'm sorry. In the mythology of modern American
Bigfoot has replaced the frontier. He is the last unsurveyed thing,
the last question mark on the map. Remember that part
of the map where it is here there be monsters. Yeah,

(54:16):
so the yetti holds that post for the high places
of the world, the unreachable sanctum of snow in silence.
Both creatures carry the same quiet theology. Some thresholds are
meant to remain uncrossed, a bend and hope all ye
who enter here.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
You know, each time a new track is found, a
new cast is poured, or a new blurry shape is filmed.
At dusk, we reenact the ancient story told by the campfire.
You know, we chase the wild Man, not to catch him,
but to remember that he's still out there. Something still
walks up right where the road ends. Maybe that's the
real point of the wild Man. You know, it survives

(54:54):
not in the evidence, but in the chase. You know,
whether it's footprints melting the snow or the dryer and
the mud. He leaves behind question marks that we kind
of need. Yeah, and you know, in my personal stories,
when in my twenties I was working at a video store.
One of my coworkers he owned a camera shop. This

(55:14):
was up in their way, up in the Siirs, and
you'd tell a story that, uh, you know, somebody came
in and just developed their vacation film, you know, out
of the lake one day or something, and he when
the guy came to pick up the film. The guy
who owned the camera house said, hey, have you did
you take any you know, where'd you take these pictures at?

(55:36):
And he told them he'sid, well have you seen these?
And he's showing pictures and the pictures kind of show
a big foot in it, and you know, the man
said no. My kids came back, ran and said, hey,
let's have it. Let's have the camera. We need to
go take a picture or something. And then they ran off.
And then they came back and you know, they were like, oh,
hype and chuck late, but they didn't say anything about it.
And but the guy swears there was absolutely a big

(55:59):
foot in the pictures.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Woof, that's nope, nope, nope. Again, like I said from
that audio clip we listened to earlier when they started
talking back and forth, and I've been like, yep, deuces,
I'm out, I'm bye bye Felicia, and I am Felicia.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Oh, anyway, believe it or not, man, that's we've already
done an hour. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
I was just looking at the time and my teacup.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
All right, so we're gonna gohea and take the break.
We do still have one full hour left, so plenty
of show left when we come back from the break.
My name is Rick Robinson. He is Ordnance J. Packard.
You're listening to Juxtaposition and this is j Oxtober where
we do a show every week instead of every two weeks.
So our final one will be next Saturday, and we're

(56:50):
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of bring in some other folks like an anthropologist that's
actually part of our network, and some other big foot
in the using those kinds of things just to kind
of have a discussion about everything we've talked about this
past month. So make sure you join us for that
next Saturday night. But for now, we're gonna take a
break so Al must can go refill his tea. We'll

(57:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Truth and Welcome into hour two of Juxtaposition. This is
week four of our deep dive into the world of cryptids.

(01:02:55):
My name is Rick Robinson, he's Ordinance J. Packard, and
tonight we are discussing the ones like us, probably to me,
the scariest of the cryptids, because there is just you know,
as I joke often about this this thing that this
game of closeness called six degrees of Kevin Bacon. That's

(01:03:16):
about where we are between these things in us is
about six degrees of separation, so that they're close enough
to us that they that they let you and you're right,
probably maybe even a little bit less, but they're close
enough to us that they remind us not only of
what we used to be, but if we're not careful,
what we actually could become. Again, I think that maybe

(01:03:37):
part of what makes the miscar that's so scary to me.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Yeah, and you know that kind of back to the
first episode of this when we were talking about the
winden Goo, you know, is the wind en goo is us?
You know, it's born of us, not just mythologically, but
you know, the the when you know, the myth of
the windango is that you know, when it's cold, olden
food stocks run low and you resort to the ultimate taboo,

(01:04:04):
you become the wind Ago out of selfishness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, it's funny because the bump stocks dusted off a
really old scenario where there was, in fact a time
when people thought of whendigo was raiding a village, and
they talked about that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
Tonight yeah, yeah they did. That was a great show
there tonight. That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, I was just gonna start
steering us back towards the topic.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Yeah, but please do get us a course direct us sir.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Eh, somebody's gotta do it. Usually you lately though, I've
noticed Yeah, yeah, like you were getting I.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Mean, well, I mean with this stuff. I mean you
see these scripts that I wrote for this. They're so dense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
But hell but they're good though, They're good.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Okay, Well, then whatever, whenever you want to far into them,
I'll do.

Speaker 10 (01:05:00):
That, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
So if Bigfoot and the Yeti are the banner icons
of modern cryptozoology, and they are there, they are also
just two branches on a global family tree. Every continent,
every culture seems to carry its own version of what
we call the wild man, smaller, stronger, sometimes gentler, sometimes
far more unsettling. The pattern is almost biological. Humanity radiates outward,

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and behind it trails a shadow species that refuses to
die out or maybe simply refuses to be forgotten.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
Yeah. The most popular these outside of the most well
known of these, outside of Bigfoot in the Yetti is
the orring Pendic from Sumatra. You know, it's literally translated
as the short person. You know, it's a compact biped
that stands between three and five feet tall, covered in
brown hair, and it walks with a human stride. Western naturalists,

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again collecting reports in the early nineteen hundreds, Dutch colonials
described seeing smaller muscular figures the hobbits you were looking for,
you know, vanish into the foliage. In nineteen ninety, British
researchers Debbie Martyr and Jeremy Holton led repeated expeditions into

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Sumatra jungles, returning with footprint casts showing human like arches
and opposable big toes features incompatible with the orangutangs or
gibbons in the area. You know. And for locals though,
this was never about science, the range Pendeck was. It
was their neighbor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
It wasn't a discovery.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
He was the keeper of the taboo zones, you know,
the one who punished disrespect of the forest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
So it almost sounds like the you know, the Rudy
Hobbitt and cousin and sister had babies, right, It's kind
of what it sounds like. So the accounts carry unique
credibility because of their consistency. Eyewitnesses separated by decades described
the same details long arms, short legs, of bright posture,
and an expression almost human in nature. Cryptozoologists link it

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to the recently discovered Homo flora floresincius of nearby Florist Island,
a species of miniature humans that lived as recently as
fifty thousand years ago. See, I'm telling you it was
the rudy Hobbitt and cousin its sister. If a small
tool using hamanid could survive undetected on one Indonesian island,
wine on another, the orang pandex stands as the closest

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thing to a plausible surviving cousin in modern cryptid lore.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
Now, I mean to put that into perspective, fifty thousand
years ago, that was in the tail end of the
last ice Age. We were around fifty thousand years ago. Yeah,
I mean, thing that survived the Ice Age was in
the temperate or tropical zones. Sumatra qualifies for that. So
I mean there's no res and then an offshoot of

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Homo sapien wouldn't have existed around it. I mean, we
know that about the Neanderthals, and we co existed with them,
and there were starting to find other species that were
around at the time as well. It's no big stretch
for us to think that, you know, I mean Jesus Christ.
Japanese soldiers held out on Pacific Islands for forty years

(01:08:25):
after the war and surrender until their commanding officer came
and told them the war was over. They thought it
was a round eye trick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
So, oh, you stupid Randa, you'd let to Earth.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Sorry, but up in the north you have the Almus.
You know, these are in the Caucaus Mountains in Mongolia
and they filled the same ecological niche. Soviet era documents
contained dozens of reports from soldiers and villagers describing haired
covered humanoids living in the remote valleys and the nineteen fifties,

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the Georgians scientists named Boris Porshnev convinced the Soviet Academy
of Sciences to fund a wild Man's study, arguing that
the almost represented survive surviving Neanderthal population, but the program
collapsed in a ridicule, but the field note survived and

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testimonies describing the creature that could weave simple tools and
even communicate through gestures. You know, for a regime obsessed
with human progress, the idea of an old or untamed
intelligence living in its own backyard was very uncomfortable to
the Soviets.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I can imagine. So the most famous Almas story actually
belongs to Zena, a woman captured in the eighteen hundreds
near Kuca's village of Tikenny. To techny I'm not sure,
described as immensely strong, covered in reddish hair, damn gingers,
and incapable of speech. Wait, maybe not so about after all,

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she lived among vergers for years of board children with
local men. Genetic testing over supposed descendants in the twenty
tens showed ordinary human DNA, fueling claims she was simply
an isolated federal human. But oral history is painting more
ambiguous picture, is Zena? Or I'm sorry, Zena? I keep

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thinking more of your princess as something halfway between a
woman and legend, the embodiment of aligned humanity might have
shared a campfire with before the dawn of writing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
You know, and down in Australia you got the Yawi,
and you know that fills the continent when it's oldest footprints.
Aboriginal dream time stories described giant harry beings that coexisted
with humans long before the colonists arrived. You know, they
were not uniformly monstrous somewhere ancestral or even protective. European
settlers eager to catalog the continents fauna, logged encounters of

(01:10:57):
their own, with the Yawe, massive bipeds seen across riverbeds
vanishing into eucalyptus groves. In eighteen seventy six, a report
in Australian Town and Country Journal described an indescribable animal
manlike shape. The more the colonies expanded, the closer the
yahwe seem to follow. It was like a moral boundary

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that kept retreating west.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
So you know what the Yowi is right, you know,
you know, you know, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
What they do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
They protect the regular Australian folks from spiders.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
Season Yes, all these years later, that still creeps you out.
Huh Yes, yes, spiders of Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Dude, ABI seriously, Like, you know, I'm sitting here and
I'm looking for filler content while I'm filling in on
one of the morning shows I was helping with for
a while, and all of a sudden, I see this
thing pop up on the screen and it looks like
it's snowing in Australia and I'm like, I don't think
that's snow and no, it was freaking spider webs.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Yeah, there's there's breed a spider down in Australia. It
probably kills you that it does the if you're familiar
with a parachute spiders, it'll put out a string of
silk and let the wind catch it. Well. In austral
you this happens by the millions. It's like paratroopers landing
on D Day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah, it's like that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
I did this whole town and web it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Like that crab walk thing and part of it. So
that was the other thing, like in Jesse Waters the
other day was showing a clip in Australia of like
the there's there's millions of crabs that were that were
like traveling to Mate and I'm like, Australia is just
hell on Earth. I don't know why anybody will live
there anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
Don't forget. I saw a massive sponge migration, this is true,
migrated two feet.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Hey for them that was massive though. But yeah, so
the yarin or wild men of Central China's Hubei and
Hunan provinces occupy a similar space. Visual state interest in
the nineteen seventies led to full on expeditions completely government
sponsored teams collecting footprints, hair samples, and eyewitness reports. Don't

(01:13:13):
tell them what they don't want to hear. They're going
to weld your door close. Sorry. One nineteen seventy six
investigation log over one hundred independent testimonies hair analysis pointed
to an unknown primate, but the findings quietly disappeared into
bureaucratic hell, and a country that celebrates human achievement and

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control the existence of a primitive parallel species remains ideological inconvenient. Still,
locals in the shanne Joa forest zone continued to report tall,
rust colored figures crossing roads or watching from ridgelines. Why
are all these things freaking gingers?

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
Right? You mean a lot of reports of bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
There are ginger I know, That's what I'm saying. I
think I think we're finding the missing link, missing link.
I think I think all the gingers are hairless big feet.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
But the excuse me, hang on, try not to die here.
We see the pattern always repeats with these you know
the Hibbigon in Japan, Mabahugardi and the Amazon Captu in
Central Asia and Mandenburg and India. Each of these cultures
project its fears and desires into the wild around it.

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The core ingredients never change hair height, intelligence, and distance.
It's as though our subconscious insists on populating the blank
spaces with something that looks back something recort witnessing are advancements.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, so what unites these hamminid legends is not evidence,
but evolution's ghost. Fossil records confirm that Homo sapiens was
never was never he alone. At least eight other human
species once shared the planet. Many overlapped geographically and temporarily.
The Neanderthals faded into Europe and the Denisovans in Asia,

(01:15:11):
and others, like the mysterious Homoizonius of the Philippines appeared
and vanished with no explanation. The folklore of shadow people
in the forest might be cultural memory passed down through storytelling,
or even genetic memory. A haunting from the Plezzistine encoded

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in myth.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
Just because I used that word a lot when I'm
arguing with climatards Pleistocene.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Anthropological comparative Indian name. I live in
Indian territory. I could have I could have corrected you
butchering Indian names, but I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Yeah, okay, you know the anthropological paradox and these stories
systems the same regions where ancient DNA finds have emerged.
You know, the Caucus, Southeast Asia, the Pacific rim Each
is a known crossroads of human evolution. And you know
that overlapp doesn't prove survival, but it blurs the lines

(01:16:15):
between folklore and fossil. The villagers describing small forest people
in Sumatra, you know, may not be wrong and kind
just in time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
But debunkers often suggest misidentified animals sunbaars standing upright, macaquais
glimpsed the dusk, or hoaxes fueled by tourism. Yet even
skeptics admit that the sheer geographic spread of the wild
man myth defies coincidence. How did isolated cultures separated by

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oceans invent the same archetype, down to the hair texture
and gait. The explanation may be less biological than psychological,
a global echo of what it meant to share the
world with others like us, and to realize we might
have actually been one drove them away.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
Yeah. Cultural analysis calls this the hominage the hominitage shadow,
the idea that each society carries an internal fossil record
in its own evolutionary path. The wild man becomes the
conscience of extinction, you know, haunting us and reminding us
that we it could have just easily been us.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
It's kind of like survivors survivor's guilt, you know it is.
You know, it's not because he exists because we suspecting ones,
did you know? And the stories keep him alive is
kind of a reminder you just like again with the
wind ango, you know, the stories don't eat people, you're
going to become one. And in the case it is,

(01:17:45):
don't fuck up, you can go extinct too. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
So, and this just occurred to me, So bear with
me for a second. I'm trying to artigelia something. So
one of the things that we talk about on this
show all the time, and it came up already once before,
is the ecosic field or the whole collective consciousness. So
that may or may not explain some of these commonalities
as well, but with some of the other stuff that

(01:18:14):
We've talked about like the fact that there is a
theory that Atlantis might not have necessarily been a lost city,
so to speak, but an alien culture that was actually
visiting with us. What if some of these different offshoots
were when they started experimenting with our ancestors and we're

(01:18:35):
when they felt like they got it right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
That's so ages a shield, But that's also the Ananaki,
So I mean that goes both ways on that too,
you know. I mean the stories of the Ananaki was
that they experimented on us to make us a slavery.
It's the preface of Battlefield Earth. Al Ron Hubbard basically
ripped off Sumerian and Indian mythology. So yeah, yeah, it

(01:19:02):
was even with modern science, the line between extinct and
extent keeps shifting. The Seiler Campi was thought gone for
sixty five million years until one swam into a net.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
It's guerrillas were a native myth until nineteen oh two.
The orange Pengait could just be another slow revelation waiting
for its turn. You know. The absence of proof is camouflage.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
So where Bigfoot is Frontier Americana and the Yetie is
mountain theology. These smaller stranger cousins bring the wild man home.
They remind us that the human family tree isn't a
tidy trunk, but a tangled living thicket. Each rustle in
the undergrowth might be ancestry reaching back. I don't like

(01:19:49):
that imagery. I don't know why, but something about that
imagery just did not sit well in my head.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
I kind of liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Well, you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
Yeah, but if these things truly exist, you're they're the
last uncolonized minds on Earth. You know, it's intelligence without cities,
culture without conquests. Yeah, and if they don't, then their
proof of something even more uncanny, as out across millennia.
In continence, humanity dreams the same dream and the same shape.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I don't know which one of those potential scares me more,
because I mean, with some of this stuff is actually
being able to be born out now though, like the
tiny humans on the tropical islands. So I but I
don't know whether I would prefer that these things once

(01:20:44):
existed and eventually, you know, because we were the superior
species so to speak, we ran them off, or if
they're all just part of us trying to make sense
of our universe. I don't know which which one, Which
one would you prefer?

Speaker 11 (01:20:57):
You think.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Both? I'm happy with both.

Speaker 16 (01:21:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:03):
Jeff makes a great point in the chat too. He said,
until the twentieth century, these primates were unknown Bonobo, kipougi,
let's who uh o ti orang. You know, they could
absolutely exist or not have. And it's just so much

(01:21:23):
of just what has become zoology now was cryptozoology not
long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Well, I mean that that's pretty much the world we
live in today, because technology seems to be progressing to
a point and our understanding of DNA is progressed to
the point where we're like what I was talking about earlier.
For the longest time, it was a well known scientific
fact that we were we supposedly shared ninety nine percent
of the same DNA as a chimp, and that is

(01:21:51):
known not to be the case today because they're able
to more distinctly understand the formation of DNA. And this
goes back to some of the things that we were
talking talking about earlier in the program. With the way
that DNA technology is so much more easily mappable today,
I really wish somebody would go back and redo some

(01:22:11):
of these tests from even just a decade or so ago,
because in technology, in technological sense, that's four generations.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
Ago, you know, And it's like, okay, I mean to
your point is I know that when they study a hair,
it has to be destroyed. I get that, but and
a lot of these things too, they have they're not
bringing back a single solitary hair, you know. It's not
like something that, hey, this was a big foot palow

(01:22:40):
on this rock. We found a hair, you know, it's
they've been found in clumps. They didn't destroy the entire clump.
They haven't destroyed all the scat. You know, and even
even in plaster casts you could probably find DNA if
you went to looking, because yeah, constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
So the question then becomes are they not looking or
do they not want to look? Because I kind of
think it might be starting to be that second one.

Speaker 12 (01:23:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
The one thing I didn't build into this just because
we had so much to you know, to go through
with this is the the Yetti scalp in Tibet. You know,
is they have it there they can test at any time,
well they could before the Chinese took over Tibet, but
it's in it. It's in a monastery. It's in a

(01:23:33):
monastery there, and it's oh, look, you know, China doesn't
obviously doesn't want to do it because that's antithesis to
their beliefs, you know, of the great leap forward. But
you know, somebody sneak in, grab a hair follicle, test
it now the DNA. The DNA is still there if

(01:23:57):
you were actually wanted to test it. So that tells me.
You know, it's like when we were talking earlier about
you know, the the Bigfoot first sample. You know, they
mocked her about her methodology, but they never attempted to
recreate it again. You know. I mean in science, if
you want to prove something wrong, you do it too.

(01:24:20):
You don't just make fun of the premise. That's science.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
Science isn't debunked, it just can't be replicated. Well I mean, well,
well that's honestly part.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Yeah, no, no, we'll let it slide though, but no,
I mean that that's part of what drives me crazy
today with modern science is they act as if all
of this has all been settled. Science is never actually
ever supposed to have been settled. It is a columne.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Hurrying statement I have ever heard I actually punched a
wall when Obama said those words.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Well, and it's just become part of the lexicon because
now whenever, I mean, like if you try to have
a conversation outside of conspiracy theorist circles on stuff like this,
you know, all this stuff was settled science a long
time ago. I hear that so many times, and I'm like,
I'm so tired of that sentence, because the entire premise
of science is that it is never supposed to be settled.

(01:25:22):
It is a constant quest for knowledge. And it's like
Jeff said, up until the twentieth century, half the things
that we take for granted today is being existing species
were cryptozoology. Just before. They were things that were just
imagined or the people had thought they had seen but
couldn't verify. So the fact that, you know, when you

(01:25:42):
really just are trying to have a conversation about something
and it's everywhere now, I think that's what drives me
crazy because everybody talks about how bad it is with politics,
but it's with everything. Now you can try to sit
down and have a conversation about things like this or
a out you know, this this object that's supposed to
be hurtling towards Earth that everybody keeps doing AI renderings.

(01:26:05):
Oh look, it's the Mothership, dude, I hope it is. Yeah,
this SMOD was supposed to take care of us like
ten years ago and failed miserably.

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
I was laughing with all the SMOD references that you
dropped last night too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Those were great. That's actually what put it back up.
That's what actually put it back in my brain.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Pans Right, No, I mean, but you're right, it's it's out.
I mean, you have to it. Politics has become so
toxic that it's infected everything. You have to take a
side on everything. Diehard is a Christmas movie Eggnog or
side er. I mean, it's just everything. You know, It's fine.
I joke about that, but I'm you know, the Eggnog

(01:26:44):
wars are a lot of fun. But uh, it's great
memes on both sides. But yeah, so it's even with this.
You know, it's that if you are a skeptic, it's
not just a matter of being a skeptic anymore. It
has become your religion to actively not believe it and
no evidence will ever change your mind about that. And

(01:27:05):
you know it's and that's the One kind of thing, too,
is is that those who have a scientific mind, which
are generally the Bigfoot researchers, is that you know, they
they operate under the premise that probably not. But again,
lack of evidence is not lack of existence, so you know,

(01:27:26):
and that's where the real science has done. Science is
always about going into the frontiers, even the well trodden ones.
You know, and am in Chad as a physicist, you
know that too, is that you know it's you're you're
going over the same ground because well you think you
understand that you don't. You know, you're always trying to
find out maybe I don't, And you know, that's what

(01:27:47):
real science is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
And that's all I want to get back to, is
real science. I don't remember the last time anybody has
done anything that I would consider real science in quite
some time, because because it's all taylor looking for specific
results from the time it starts, it's not actually trying
to answer the question. It's framing the question to get
the answer before you ever start looking for the answer.

(01:28:11):
And that's not science.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
I think that's why I have such a boner for
the E eight, you know, the Quantum Gravity Project, because
it's they are doing science. You know, they're not, you know,
just trying to just keep stapling on shit to quantum theory,
you know, to try and make your string theory, to
try and make it work. Is well, that didn't work,
so let's look at it a new way. And that's

(01:28:34):
what I kind of admire about them. And you know,
as you know, a lot of people say a lot
of stuff about Mitchell O Kaku that he's more of
a futurist and a scientist anymore, and I agree with that,
but he still has the wide eyed optimism of a futurist.
He's just hide bounds stuck to string theory, unfortunately, but
that's his.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
You know, that's his bread and butter man, that's his
bread and butter, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
But he's still out there. I mean, he's not doing
the science, but he he's keeping up with it, you know.
Is where Tyson has just become the you know, the
great uh, what's the word for it. He's a fucking
Karen basically, that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Was not the word I was gonna go with. But
that's nicer than the word.

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
He's a smug twat. But I was trying. I wanted
to use a better word than I actually did. I
had a better word for it, and then it just
left my head.

Speaker 15 (01:29:23):
So it's like, yeah, never mind, I forgot yeah him
the hour again, yep, time to go refill your tea
against her m m all right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
So if you were.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
Understand the chat, they're still testing Newton's crap.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Well yeah, of course.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
But you know, I mean, gravity is the one force
we really don't understand. I mean, well, there's a lot
of it, but it's the one that yo that that's
the one that eludes us in the uh, in the
chain of the strong weakness. Anyway, good break.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
All right. So so if you if you missed it,
here's your chance to catch it. This is Jeff's latest
addition to our Juxtober theme for the month. And uh
here we go, h.

Speaker 19 (01:30:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Birds?

Speaker 10 (01:30:58):
Wes bar heard Banks drowns on the skin still fingles.

Speaker 11 (01:31:10):
Sassi no long, no go, no go, just the snaw

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ma sai no me.

Speaker 17 (01:32:24):
STEMIs a frust on steel shade with the dark cat
kill us in the storm.

Speaker 19 (01:32:34):
Cold shop.

Speaker 14 (01:32:38):
There's a beast down now hear that bread beyond my
name fearing face sound the.

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
Same with the sound.

Speaker 11 (01:32:51):
Sad snow under on the s running out of the road,
running ball with M B.

Speaker 10 (01:33:11):
Sill. There's no wond a egle, I feel it.

Speaker 18 (01:33:26):
Let's see it.

Speaker 11 (01:33:28):
Breathe between the tree flacks, the not so the scots around.

(01:34:25):
No really.

Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
Who flats and there's no one of vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Welcome back into the program eighties and gentlemen. We are
in the final segments of the fourth of the well
the four of the five episodes of Juxtapositions Juxtober this year.
So I think this may be a recent record for us.
We've done four in a row.

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
Yeah, we make it through next week. Then that is
the first Juxtober we went.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I thought we managed to do it once before, but
I could be wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
No, there was a skip and we made it up
the first weekend in October, so there was only a
one week's skip. It's not like the Demonology, in which
was one where we were just plagued with technical difficulties
in life shitting on us.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Well. Yeah that that especially that Demonology one. Dude, I
was like, I really was starting to think there was
like some weird stuff going on in my house.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
Yeah, that's I mean, I I know, I keep saying
this I really don't want to sound like that we're
building our own mythology on the show, but for those
of you who were listening at the time, you know,
we made every effort to do those, and we would
have It's like technology would crap out an hour before
the show, especially during the demonology one that was just

(01:36:15):
I think we did two of five, maybe three of
five before we just said bag it and but yeah,
it's my computer's working great all day. Went to restart
before the show, which is you know, my style, and uh,
you know, just so that way everything's fresh and clean,
wouldn't come back, came back after the show was too
late to start, no reason for it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Yeah, it was just, yeah, well, the same thing happened
to me. I mean it's like lately, I've noticed with
all the glitches I've been having, I've I've had to
adopt your style. I'd usually come in and restart like
thirty minutes before i started doing anything, just so because
I'm always in here working usually anyway. But yeah, so
I'm actually I'm impressed. And honestly, I thought the other day,

(01:36:59):
I was like, dude, I just back us into doing
six in a row, and I was like oh wait, no,
next Saturday is on almost Saturday. Yes, it actually worked
out because that means we already knew what our topic
was for returning to our regular schedule. So it worked out.
So we're doing We're doing a panel as we get
back on our regular schedule.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Anyway, good and then we get to sick a week
up now that we don't love doing this. I love Juxtober,
I really do. It's my favorite. This and the Mandela
Effect episode are my favorite yearly traditions traditions, but still.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Well, the one that's kind of becoming one of my
new favorites, and it may actually start becoming a yearly
tradition with all these new theories that are coming out,
is all the different theories that are coming out up
with with what time actually does. Because yeah, I got
a hold of one of those again to day and
I spent like an hour reading through that, and I
was like, I.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
Just sent you down a rabbit hole when I set
you that eight shit, didn't I?

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah, you did. But it's been a fun one. But
it's good.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
Oh, it's definitely a fun one. So but for those
of you who don't know what E eight is, we
did a shoh month and a half go, Yeah, about
a month and a half ago. Everything you know about
time is wrong and uh yeah, so we delved into
the quantum world.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Well, to be fair, I started you down that rabbit
hole and you took my rabbit hole and said hold
my beer. So it worked out. But anyway, so speaking
of rabbit holes, we still got to finish this one out.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
So just rabbit holes, but you know digital.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah, so yeah, that that that's that's the final trail
we're going down today because you know that that is
our true final frontier, whether anybody wants to admit it
or not, because at some point the forests stopped being
deep enough. The last wilderness we had left wasn't the
mountains or the jungles. It was in the wires. It's
funny that this is coming up in this because that's

(01:38:49):
exactly what I've been talking about on my Sunday show.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, so that's that. Seeing that imagery popping up in here,
I was like, wait, that's weird. That's almost the same
exact imagery from anyway. So as the centuries, as the
century turned digital, the wild man shed its fur and
stepped into the feed. Now he lives where attention lives.
I think they mean where attention whores live, but anyway,
not where the trees do. These are the metacryptids, creatures

(01:39:18):
born from collective imagination, sustained by signal, and as real
as belief could possibly make them.

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
Yeah, the pivot with this the first one, the first
one that entered the collective consciousness, started in two thousand
and nine with a single photoshop contest on the ten
bucks forums of something Awful, an image of a tall,
faceless man in a dark suit, arms like branches working

(01:39:48):
behind children on a playground, and the caption was we
don't want to go, but the others said we must.
Within hours, users began began adding their own found photos
and diary entries, and within days they had built an
entire mythology around the slender Man. Within weeks, people were
claiming to see him. Slender Man became the first creature

(01:40:11):
designed on the Internet and later found in the real world,
complete with sidings, dreams, and a tragedy that proved belief
could turn pixels into blood.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Yeah, I remember when this became a thing, slender Man.
Slender Man worked because he echoed something ancient, The Forest
Talker the abductor in the night, the tall shadow whose
face you can't quite remember. But unlike Bigfoot, he didn't
need geography, he needed bandwidth. Every repost was a ritual,

(01:40:46):
every manipulation and invocation. Folklore has called this ostension. When
a legend inspires real world behavior and then feeds the
legend again, the loop itself becomes the habitat. But you know,
looping this back to the conversation we were having just
about five minutes ago, what if this is one of
those things where future behavior is inflicting itself onto the past,

(01:41:13):
so they therefore technically created slender Man.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
Right, or slender Man retroactively. Yeah, it's you know, and
that's kind of the thing, and it's you know, it
in the myths of the cyberspace that we're going to
be going through, you know, with with the cryptos that
live in cyberspace there, they have made themselves every bit
as real, and the societal contasion is it's amazing how

(01:41:42):
quickly these things spread. Now, you know, It's like it
took thirty years for the Mothman to move from you know,
the East coast to Chicago. It took minutes for slender
Man to all of a sudden enter folk, or to
the point where nobody remembers when we first started talking
about it, and then he's you know, you know, slender

(01:42:03):
Man's always been here, you know, right and right right
on the heels of slender Man was the Rake. He
was another creature, you know, of the forums and whisper chains,
hairless and humanoid, crouched at the end of beds in
the small hours. And unlike slender Man's slow dread, the
Rake embodied raw intrusion, the thing that bypasses doors and

(01:42:27):
logics and logic. You sidings spread through YouTube, through YouTube dramatizations,
creepypasta readings, and your true encounters emailed the paranormal shows.
You know, none of it could be verified, yet it
all felt the same, blank face, long fingers, absolute silence.
It's the same thing that we talked about with shadow people.

(01:42:49):
You know, it's you know, none. It was if the
wild Man's body had been stripped and turned into pure fear.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
So it's interesting because this didn't occur to me until
just now, because I mean, I've envisioned the slender Man before,
but something about having it described like that reminded me
of something. You remember, the species, the silence on doctor who. Yeah,
that's kind of what that that that's the vibe I'm

(01:43:21):
getting from that description. I don't know if that's on
purpose or not, but that's the vibe I'm getting from
that description.

Speaker 6 (01:43:26):
They've always been here, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah, we we just never knew so. But along with
all these that we've been talking about, there was another one,
because then came the Momo Moor, not of myth but art,
a grotesque bird woman sculpted or a bird woman's sculpture
by Japanese artist Keisuki Aswa, miscast by a viral panic

(01:43:50):
as a suicide demon. The original work Motherbird was never
meant to frighten, yet an image ripped, ripped from context,
became global folklore. Parents Warren children, schools banned social media,
and news anchors repeated the story with the same breathless
cadence once reserved for Bigfoot sightings. Momo showed that in

(01:44:11):
the attention economy, even art can evolve into entity. Myth
no longer waits for wilderness. It blooms wherever data clusters.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Ye know, and then it just kept going, you know.
In twenty ten, digital folklore had learned to self propagate
and then we had siren Head, a towering, skeletal monster
with air raids sirens for ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:37):
It began as an illustration by Trevor Henderson, and within
a year, gamers, filmmakers, and witnesses were all posting encounters
you know, audio distortion. The teiltale warning tone became a
new campfire crackle, the vision of the wild man and
the roar of the forest had turned into the hum
of a transmission tower.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Starting to feel like that that wrong popial guy. But
wait more. While some digital cryptid straight back to identifiable creators,
others seem to have grown organically, like the crawlers or
palemen described across platforms by people with nothing in common
except the same story. Emaciated, white skinned figures glimpsed on

(01:45:20):
highways or in basements, moving like spiders, but human sized.
Unlike Slenderman, there's no known origin post the report surfered Sorry,
surfaced simultaneously across Reddit, four Chan, and YouTube in the
early twenty tens, spreading faster than any researcher could track.

(01:45:40):
The anonymity itself actually became part of the myth when
thousands of people described the same invented creature independently, all
within the same few week span of one another. The
question shifts from who made it to what signal are
they all receiving?

Speaker 6 (01:46:00):
You know, and the creepiest thing about this stuff, and
you know this is creepy. It's this one's absolutely fueled
by creepy pasta. And that's where the back rooms emerged.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
And what that is.

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
That's a collaborative hallucination built from a single image of
a yellow carpeted office maze. Your users imagine monsters stocking
those endless forests and corridors, then wrote, drew, and filmed
entire subworlds in there. Today, the backroom functions like a
living ecosystem for digital cryptids. Each creator adds a new predator,

(01:46:35):
a new rule, a new fear. Myth is now open sourced,
and you don't stumble into the back rooms, you scroll
into them. You fall into them. And that one case,
we've talked about it, and they talked about it on
a front porch forensics of the hotel in Los Angeles
down on skid Row where that that blogger in the

(01:46:59):
elevation disappeared and then they found her up in the
water tower that she was doing one of the tricks
she was doing was how to get into the back ropes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
This gives a whole new inflection. This gives a new
inflection point to doom scrolling.

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
Right, Yeah, no, totally so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Psychologists described these entities as thought forms manifestations of shared focus.
Tibetan mystics called them tulpas independent beings created through meditation
and belief. The Internet industrialized the process. Where a monk
might conjure one tulpa over years, a million users can

(01:47:39):
apparently now birth one in a weekend on a thread.
The conditions are identical concentration, repetition, and emotional charge. The
wild Man didn't vanish, he went viral.

Speaker 6 (01:47:54):
Yeah, I mean that's you know, it's just with the
quickness that the spreads. And I keep talking about is
that you know a lot of these they have no
origin point. I mean, yes, slender Man had an origin point,
Momo and the Rake they all had origin points. But
a lot of these, you know, like the Palemen, they

(01:48:15):
just appeared and the back rooms just appeared.

Speaker 9 (01:48:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
It's I know, a big thing on Creepypasta is to
do ARGs, you know, alternate reality gate.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
You know, but.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
At some point people start believing in them, and in
this case, traditional bunking doesn't really quite apply here. You know,
there's no foot points to measure, there's no DNA to tests,
There's only you know, engagement metrics, and even the skeptics
acknowledge the physical consequences, anxiety spikes, communal sightings, real world violence.

(01:48:50):
You know, it's when the belief in these things organizes
around fear, The digital and the psychological merge and the
body count makes fiction real. You forget people have died
because of slender Man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Scary thought when you, I mean, when you really just
stop to think about just that alone, that is a
terrifying thought. But what's most striking is how these metacryptids
preserve the archetypal structure that we've been discussing for this
past month of their flesh and blood predecessor. Slenderman is
the new forest Talker, the Rake, the cave Beast, Momo,

(01:49:24):
the Banshee, siren head, the thunder god warning of disaster.
Each retaeills an ancient story through new media. Where older
cultures used oral tradition, we use algorithms. The myths haven't changed,
the medium has. So this actually brings up a very
interesting point. So what if these are newer versions of

(01:49:47):
the same cryptids. They've just they've they've transformed themselves into
things that the younger folks understand. And maybe that's why
they've managed to root themselves so quickly, because they are
the same things. They're just it's like they are, in fact,
just using a different medium than they used before.

Speaker 6 (01:50:07):
Yeah, and that's and that's kind of where I was
getting to with that, is that, you know, it's I mean,
up until two thousand, you know, and you wonder, why
don't why don't you hear big stories about big fun anymore?
Why don't you hear stories about this or that whatever?
You know, it's because we moved and they moved into
the digital space, and the same fears, the same warnings,

(01:50:32):
you know, transfer in to you. Okay, So this transformation
it kind of mirrors that are changing relationship when I
get I guess what we get to is a transfer.
It mirrors our relationship with the wilderness. We once feared
what laid beyond the campfire, and now we fear what's
on the other side of the screen. You know, the

(01:50:53):
unknown no longer howls, it pings, you know, in this sense,
the Internet has become the next dark for us. That's
why we have stories of you know, you know, the
dark Web, and you know, it's we've invented these dark
spaces in a space we can control that we don't
have control over, you know, the Leviathan Web and shit

(01:51:16):
like that. You know, it's you know, it's the line
between myth and malware grows thinner each year in these cases.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
So there is a cultural symmetry in play here.

Speaker 16 (01:51:29):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
The more surveillance and data we produce, the more faceless
our monsters become. The wild Man had eyes, the metacrypt
it has none. It's anonymous collective, a mirror of the
network itself. What we call monsters are just the shapes
our systems cast when the lights flicker. But some of this,
I think, as we start talking about fearing what lay

(01:51:52):
be behind the screen, we're talking about an entire other
ethos of myth. Because remember what people used to say
about mirrors and photography, that pictures were capturing the souls,
and that mirrors were actually windows into another universe where
everything was exactly the same, but reversed and in and

(01:52:15):
of itself. We're talking about the continuation of another two
sets of myths now being combined into one space behind
the screen.

Speaker 6 (01:52:28):
You know, and it's from an anthropological perspective. We've completed
an evolutionary loop with this. You know, the wild man
began his nature's revenge for human arrogance. Your bigfoot became
guilt made into flesh. The metacryptid is information punishing attention.
Each stage adapts the same moral code. Humorous births, haunting.

(01:52:49):
We create the things that remind us were not God's
that even in something entirely created Man, the internet, monsters
still work there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Yeah, here there be monsters. I would like to make
one point of order. I firmly believe this is information
punishing attention whores. But that's only a miled difference. So
the digital hauntings also resurrect. Ritual reposting becomes invocation. Hashtags
become sigils, the viral spread becomes contagion, myth reborn. When

(01:53:23):
you share a story about Slenderman, you're participating in a
communal rights older than writing. You're feeding the fire, even
if the fire glows from a screen instead of a log.

Speaker 6 (01:53:35):
Yeah, I was rethinking that line I put in there,
where hashtags become sigals, I think a more apt description
is hashtags become totems.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Oh, I could see that, you know, but in the end,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:53:55):
The metacryptids, you know, they collapse, the distance betray in
a storyteller on the subject. It's no longer observers describing
a beast in the woods. We are the ecosystem, ecosystem
producing these things. You know, the wilderness moved inside our tablet,
and it moved inside our phone. You know, it became
The belief in these things made them the apex predator.

(01:54:19):
You know, the old footprints in mud have just become
timestamps and metadata.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
Yeah. Remember when we used to joke about the ghosts
of the machine. Yeah, it so now apparently it's crypt.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
This also goes back to This goes back to the
things we've talked about in you know, the other Cryptid
episodes and with the shadow people in that. You know
it like with the Buddhist belief in creating a tupa
that so much attention is spent on creepypasta YouTube videos
and you know, something awful forms that manifested these things

(01:54:56):
into existence. Again, people have died because of slender Man.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
So this leads us all back to the philosophical pivot
that has been a big part of this show. The
wild Man's Our attempt to exile him failed because we
wound up carrying him with us. When the forest fell,
he migrated into our imagination. When imagination digitized, he migrated
yet again. The next CRYPTI doesn't need wilderness or even witnesses,

(01:55:25):
only a network connection and enough eyes to see it
all at once.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
Yeah, it's like I said earlier too, is that you know,
the screen is the new clearing, the glow from it
is the new campfire, and everything beyond that circle of lights,
something still waits, whether it's digitally or just on the
edge of town. You know, it's taller than memory, but
still face us as the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
So as we started this journey four weeks ago, we
began in the dark woods of hung grin Taboo, with
the wind to go, stalking, famine and fear. We moved
beneath the surface where the lake monsters stirred in still water,
then looked upward to the winged shadows over our heads.
Tonight we close the circle. The final step of the
hunt doesn't end in the wilderness. It ends at the mirror.

(01:56:17):
Every creature we've chased this month from the caves to
the cloud shares one shape the outline of us.

Speaker 6 (01:56:26):
Yeah, I mean, the wild man was never just the other.
He was just the first version we tried to bury.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
He reminded us that something inside the human story resists polish.
Going back to your comment about how we're all growing beards. Now,
you know we called him Sasquatchietti or Yawe. The different
names are the same intuition that evolution never erased the
wilderness inside us, you know. And when we stare into
the dark and it stares back, it's because we taught

(01:56:53):
it how to.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
So each myth we've traced, each footprint in the snow
or shadow when in JPEG, marked the same boundary line
civilization versus instinct, control versus curiosity. The beasts and the
stories weren't warning us about the world. They were warning
us about forgetting it. They stood guard at the edge
of comfort, proof that mystery is the last wild habitat

(01:57:19):
we in fact have left.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
Back in the old days, the edge was literal, you know.
It was the tree line, the river, the mouth of
the cave, you know, the train, trustle you know. Now
it's the edge of the signal, the bottomless scroll. You know,
where the stories breed faster the truth can follow. The
new monsters were made of code and rumor, but the
rituals bound them haven't changed. You know, we built the fire,
We tell the story. We listened for what moves just

(01:57:46):
outside the light.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Excuse me, sir, but I have an un good authority.
We didn't. We in fact, did not start the fire.

Speaker 6 (01:57:53):
You know what Billie Joel was talking. We started the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
So the longer you look at these creatures, the bore
they in shape, the bigfootprints turned the fingerprints on a keyboard.
The yetis howl becomes static on the live stream. I
hate static on live streams Oh wait, sorry. The cryptids evolve,
but their function doesn't. They keep the under They keep
the unknown alive. A world without mystery is a world

(01:58:17):
already dead, and somehow, deep down we all know it.

Speaker 6 (01:58:24):
You know. One of the things with Juxtober is it
has always been kind of a pilgrimage, deep dive into
for curiosity. You know, whether it's beasts or vampires or
beings from above, the ones that look like us. Every time,
it's just a mirror of us, angled differently and together.

(01:58:45):
You know, they show the same reflection. We invent monsters
to remember what it means to be human, but the
monsters also always been there with us.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
It's it's like the old parables. You know, did we
create God after you know, after he created us? And
it's the same thing, is it, did we create these
monsters or have we always lived with them? Just now
that we treat science instead of you know, as a
religion in itself, this still is like, it still requires

(01:59:18):
faith for these It requires just as you know, I
just lost my train of thought. How one I was
gonna go with that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Dude? You were you were, you were building nicely too.
So I'm just sitting there, just waiting. I'm like, he's
gonna get his there, He's gonna get his there, he's
gonna get us there, and.

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
And it's gone. God damn it. I'm sorry. Hey, come
back to me at three in the morning. I mean,
we fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Just just text it to me. It'll be fine. At
least that way, you'll get it out right, all right.
So as we start wrapping this one up, next week
is the final piece of the puzzle, our attempt to
square the circle. Because next week is gonna be a
panel and we're gonna bring all the creatures to one table, well,
not to solve them, but to ask what they've been
trying to tell us. Maybe the real pattern isn't biological

(02:00:05):
or even digital. Maybe it's emotional, our endless need for
something to chase, something to fear, and still in all
of these different ways, trying to find a way to
make our world make sense.

Speaker 6 (02:00:21):
But as all the topics we do on the show
just tie together to where it all just seems like
it makes sense, it's just just out of reach.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
Every single time, kind of like the train of thought.

Speaker 6 (02:00:38):
Yeah, exactly, just like that train of thought. But you
know the thing, the one thing about all the things
that we talk about on here and how they're all
connected is have for you and me and you know
a lot of the people listening. It sent us straight
back to the keyboard to find out more.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
The research is often the most fun part, not even
gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (02:00:58):
And I've been having a blast doing this month on these.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Yeah, I think I think you may become our new
Juxtober expert. You're good at this, all.

Speaker 6 (02:01:08):
Right, And Jeff, yeah, you absolutely did nail the song
without having read the script. With Footprints and the Snow.

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
Too Dead. All of his songwork lately is amazing. I'm
just now really starting to scratch the surface with this
because I've I'm musically talented, but I can't read music
for shite. So I'm having to get creative on how
to tell it, how to do the things that I
wanted to do, and some of them have been decent.
I haven't put anything out as good as Jeff yet,

(02:01:41):
but I'm going to get there.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
One of these days. Well is listen, listen to the I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
Sorry, go ahead, no, I just said one of these days.

Speaker 6 (02:01:49):
So Jeff talking about nailing it and you saw, you know,
with the lyrics and the songs. He's done it every
week because he'll ask the topic and you know, I kind.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Of give him.

Speaker 6 (02:02:01):
This is the weekly breakdown for Juxstober this year, and
he's worked on a song, you know, he worked several
weeks ahead on you know, like the Water, and you
know he's nailed every one of them with the content
that we've carried because he doesn't see the script. I mean, yeah,
we share a showroom, so he drops the music into it,
but he doesn't want to read the script because he
doesn't want to, you know, ruin the the experience of

(02:02:26):
listening to the show and as it unfolds and he
has nailed you. This is like we used to joke
about when we were on the same night with Jeff
and ol and how we would cross at each other's
shows without talking to each other. We were all frequently
have the same topic, even though and it wouldn't be
like something like, hey, we're all talking about fucking whatever.

(02:02:46):
You know, you know, whatever happened in the news is
that we because the three shows really weren't Newsroom. I mean,
Alice was, but they but we would all hit on
the same theme totally, just with collective consciousness.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Well so in one point, and honestly it started that
way on purpose because I never really wanted to cross
pollinate with anybody else. Because one of the things that
I hate about networks that do back to back programming
is when you're like watching a news channel and every
hour is a different host, but they're talking about the
same five stories. I don't like that. So when we

(02:03:23):
started putting back to back programming on, that was one
of the things that I always tried to do was
to make sure that we didn't you know, all share
the same story, content, material, et cetera. So it wasn't
really that we put out a list of the things
we were talking about, but I just figured if we
weren't telling everybody what we were talking about, there was
less of a chance of us, you know, duplicating each
other's work. But then it became like a challenge because

(02:03:45):
even though we weren't talking about it, it was okay,
how close to everybody's concept are we going to get
this week? So it kind of became a challenge where
we were like, we're not going to tell anybody what
we're talking about, and we're just going to see how
how closely everything lines up. And it was a amazing
how often that happened, like terrifyingly.

Speaker 6 (02:04:03):
Amazing, because it was spooky.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
Yeah, I mean, that's actually one of the first things
that started to be down on the ecostic field rabbit hole,
because I'm like, there has to be an explanation as
to how people that don't live in the same geographic locations,
that aren't telling each other what we're talking about ahead
of time, keep landing on different aspects of the same
topic to the point where we're discussing the same things

(02:04:27):
but we're discussing them from such disparate angles that were
basically weaving an entire three hour thing together without meaning
to weave an entire three hour thing together. It was
it was creepy. It was creepy.

Speaker 6 (02:04:40):
I couldn't miss that. What it was even creepy about it, too,
was that, you know, it wasn't being redundant, but it
was just building on each other's topic without knowing it,
you know, And that's kind of that was the best
thing about it. It was I think we started that
or no, we were the wrap to that night.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
Yeah, we were all is the wrap to that, and
we never told anybody what we were talking about until
just before we went live.

Speaker 6 (02:05:05):
Yeah, or like you know, Jeff, it started a show
and I'd be like, holy shit, we're talking about that
tonight too. You know, I send them a text or something,
and you know, this is the same thing we're talking
about tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
Oh, Jeff just got you in the chat next next
week on juxtaposition already finishes his train of thought.

Speaker 6 (02:05:23):
Yes, thank you. Probably, you know, if it does come
to me at three o'clock in the morning, I'm absolutely
jotting it down so I can shout it out at
the start of the next JUXA.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
And another thing, you know what you need to know?
No no, no, no, no, wait, just remind me when
if you managed to make a note of the thought.
Remind me so I can have the previously on juxtaposition position.
That'll be perfect. But as we start wrapping things up,
I would like to make a suggestion to all of
our listeners out there, because from what I can see,

(02:05:56):
we've got quite a few. Maybe take some time this
weekend and turn the screens off.

Speaker 6 (02:06:03):
Yeah, you know, you go out to the edge of
the woods and I'm not just to touch grass, but
you know, maybe you'll hear some tree knocks.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Maybe maybe maybe you'll hear some samurai bigfoot.

Speaker 6 (02:06:17):
Yeah, but or doom scroll and not just the usual
political doom scroll. Go find some creepy passea. That's one
thing I'm one of the things I miss about Ron.
I got him deep into creepy pasta. It almost became
a religion to him. You're just like, dude, have you

(02:06:39):
seen this? He was always sending me a new creepypasta.
I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, you know. So it's like
he became you know, he became my h my creepypasta
dealer because he was going deep so nice miss Iron Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
I was thinking about him last night when I started
seeing those numbers, and he would be beside himself, see it,
you know what this is actually turned into. I mean,
you know, last night amazed me in so many different
ways because, look, you guys accidentally made something awesome with
War of the World, but you've built on it in

(02:07:16):
such a way that I mean, like I said, I
had people that have never listened to anything that I've
put out before because they had politics that were like,
oh my god, I just saw that link you put
out and it was awesome, And for a minute I
didn't even realize it was you guys.

Speaker 6 (02:07:30):
Yeah, for those of you who don't know the story
who are listening in, Ron was the original k r
N chat Denzien, Yeah, he was our norm He was.
He was Actually he predates me with the network. And
I think of all the hosts aside from G, I've
been here the longest and aside from you and G,

(02:07:55):
but he predated me in the chat and there would
be nights that he was the only one in Chat
and he'd be bugging Rick, Hey, you doing a show tonight,
ROK's like, I don't feel like I get your ass
on the mic. So for him to have been the
og one to last night where four thousand of you
were listening to us live, he and he was the prod.

(02:08:15):
He would when we didn't feel like doing the show
or whatever, he would prod us into doing the show.
And he pushed us into getting better every single time.
And last night, like you said, he would have been
beside himself. That's he would have been so proud of
us last night.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
I mean, so forty two hundred live last night, and
last time I looked, we've had over six hundred hits
on the speaker side today. So I mean we're talking
about numbers that we would have thought were just impossible
even just a few years ago. And just thinking about
you know him always, I mean, even when I was
working here locally. One of the things that I got,

(02:08:52):
I got calls after the show. You know, you had
guys calling in from Kentucky. Did you know somebody called
in from Michigan? Did you know did nobody tell you
what I did? Before you guys started saying I could
fill in. I already have a nationwide audience.

Speaker 6 (02:09:10):
You know, you know what's funny is that, uh yeah, no,
thank you, Jeff. But also Jeff was there with us
during the War of the Worlds to show you the
evolution and how much help how much EXCE has helped
us expand too. When we did War of the Worlds,
Jeff and I were trying frantically trying to figure out
how we could accommodate more than twenty five people in

(02:09:31):
the chat room or it was a twenty five or fifty,
because it was like, we're really going to have to
boost our plan on this, on this plug in. And
when we hit one hundred, we were worried chat was
going to break and we were beside ourselves with one
hundred listeners. To have forty two hundred last night plus
another six hundred downloads, I we got to thank all

(02:09:53):
of you. You really are you you just thank you
so much for listening to us. Twenty Jeffice, Yeah, twenty
five was our original cap and uh, well you think
we're gonna break that, I don't know, we better up
the up it just in case. Yeah so, but yeah,
it's you know, we do it because we you know,

(02:10:15):
we would do this if there wasn't anybody listening. To us,
but the fact that so many.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
Of you do have.

Speaker 6 (02:10:20):
I have, in fact, everyone food and we'd get like
twenty five in the chat and go like fuck yeah,
you'd hit us afterwards. It's like, you know, we made
a nickel tonight on ad spend, Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
I remember when I remember the first time we made
a quarter and I was like, holy shit, we actually
made twenty five cents. Now we're on that. Now we're
actually making at least a little bit of money off
of it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:46):
Yeah, it's enough to break.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Even on the speaker bills. I'll take it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:53):
You know. As long as we're breaking even, that's great.
But uh yeah, so thank you all, and thank you Jeff.
Your production last night was over the top.

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
Thank you Jeff dude. Your your songs have been absolutely amazing.

Speaker 6 (02:11:07):
Like, yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to make a juxtaposition album.
His album just dropped, uh yesterday too, so you might
have to make a juxtaposition album, juxtaposition soundtrack.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
I was gonna say, I think he may have enough
now we're getting closed because he's done quite a few songs.

Speaker 6 (02:11:25):
No, he definitely has. We've got eleven Chuck songs easily.

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
Which reminds me. I need to give him the passwords
to get back into our store so you can start
because we can post digital content there too.

Speaker 6 (02:11:36):
Just keep forgetting to give him a password.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Anyway, So we should probably start wrapping up because we're
yeah right, So where can folks find you, sir?

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:11:48):
You can find me tomorrow on the Vincent Charles Project
with Jeff and Janelle was and of course the incomparable
Vincent Charles, where we will be discussing whatever happened to Tuesday,
I'll be on Manorama with you and Vincent Charles and
hopefully Jeff and uh, you know, probably some random Canadian
or two and Winsdam with you on Reck Andority. Thursday,

(02:12:13):
I'm with Brad with great hair on Culture Shift. And
next Saturday we conclude Juxtober with our panel show. We'll
have a busy and Aggie and Jeff and uh hopefully
and uh maybe one or two others which as I
know he's back and I know he's big in the Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
Yeah, we should see how many more we can snag in.
I am gonna say this before I tell everybody where
they can find me after this month. I have decided
because it has occurred to me, I have not taken
any form of vacation in five years, unless I have
been sicker, unless my house tried to kill me. So
the week of Thanksgiving, since we already typically run a

(02:12:55):
shorter schedule that that week anyway, I ain't gotta do
nothing just so everyone he knows. So that that, yeah,
I'm taking that week off.

Speaker 6 (02:13:05):
Well, well, Jeff's technology. I think over the Thanksgiving weekend
we could probably run all of our holiday.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Shows probably, which is what I think it anyway, was
figure out just you know, run whatever you guys want.

Speaker 6 (02:13:18):
That's why you do your shows. I'm not producing. I'm
taking a week off, y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I mean anybody who wants to
do it. I mean, the technology is pretty damn simple
now really, So archives are a bit of a pain
right now, but that's.

Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
It's not rocket surgery.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
It used to be, dude. So I don't know, I said,
I'm about to wrap. But something else that floored me
the other day. Remember how you know, years ago when
I started doing this, my very first podcast was on
a little thing called blog talk radio. You know that
actually doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 6 (02:13:57):
That doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
It's it's well no, well it did until like three
months ago. It was still live three months ago, and
then all of this I was just gone. I'm like,
I was like, damn, but yeah, that that was so.
Blackhawk Radio was where we did everything first, and then
I figured out Spreaker had a much cleaner sound to it.
But Spreaker used to be a pain in the ass

(02:14:20):
to get anything other than just one person talking. So
then I spent two years figuring out how to cobble
together a bunch of free software, and now we have
to Now we have stuff that does it for us,
and I'm like, where was all this shit twenty years ago?

Speaker 6 (02:14:34):
Well, it's like what we're using now to broadcast with.
I mean, when we started this, we were using fucking Skype.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
Yeah, because there was I mean, there wasn't.

Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
That was just because we made a judgment called Skyper
team speak you know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
Well, I mean well, I mean honestly, when I first
started using Skype, there really wasn't anything else it was.
And then that's when I figured voice meter could let
things talk between you know, Speaker and Skype and sounds
and everything else, and it was free. But yeah, trying
to teach people how to do that on their computer,
and I thought JD was going to strangle me. Never

(02:15:15):
make a New Yorker angry. It's all I'm want to say.
It wasn't even on purpose, but anyway, we're gonna get
out of here. You guys can find me tomorrow nights. Unfortunately,
because of the wedding last week, I was not able
to do the second episode in my series. But I
don't have a wedding to perform tomorrow, so we'll be
getting to the second episode in the Loss of Innocent

(02:15:35):
series on Kingdom and Country tomorrow night. I think I'm
just gonna do that when at ten because I still
have some work to finish. I'm working on another special
song for the broadcast. I haven't finished it yet. That
should give me enough time to be able to do that.
And then Monday Night America Off the Rails also ten
pm Eastern Tuesday, the Rick Rowins and Joe kicks off
again ten am Eastern Time Tuesday Night Background with Manorama

(02:15:58):
hanging out with You and and probably some random Canadians
and hopefully maybe even Jeff. And then Wednesday nights Full
Boat hanging out with You again, producing for g H
doing the Bible Study version of Kingdom and Country because
it's the off week for Inquiry and then Thursday night
Jinn and Rick Friday Night background with he said, she said,

(02:16:20):
Saturday night background doing this with you right after front
Port Forensics. And yeah, that's the other reason I'm taking
a week off. I realized I'm back to doing this
uff seven days a week. Again.

Speaker 6 (02:16:32):
That's a choice.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
I well, not, well, it didn't start as a choice.
That's what I'm trying to fix. But anyway, so we're gonna.

Speaker 6 (02:16:42):
Get episode just finished the week five song.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Show off, show off, show off. Anyway, We're gonna get
out of here, ladies, gentlemen. You can also find me
on x at rowdy. Rick seventy three also contribute to
the Loftutparty dot com, Misfitspolitics dot com, and twitch you
dot com and I produce a lot of this Party podcast,
which drops on Tuesdays. That's it. We're leaving. Say good night, Almish.

(02:17:09):
That's not what I told you to say. Am no
hailing of the Hydro. We've had this discussion.

Speaker 6 (02:17:14):
You're not my supervisor. Excuse me.

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