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What's going on? Everybody. Welcometo the KBR Sports Podcast, you know,
the best sports podcast of your twentyfour hour day. Thanks for tuning
in to today's episode of the podcast. Appreciate each and every one of you
for locking in. Of course,guys, has been a busy past two
weeks. We're officially in March Madnessseason now. Already I think we have
a couple of upsets. I thinkByu has already been upset at the time
of me recording this. Obviously,I'm recording this on the Thursday of the

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start of March Madness, So that'sinsane already, how fast bracts already getting
destroyed. And it's so funny becauseevery time we come around to March Madness
season, you see so many people'sdifferent brackets, and when people be having
like four number one seeds in thefinal four, I'm like, fam,
do you not know how this goes? Like? What you gotta look around?
Like For me, Nashally, Ialways pick at least two regions.

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I'm like two regions when there's alot of skill, a lot of variants
in that region, a lot ofcompetitive games throughout the year, and those
two regions I'm like, all right, that's where the upsets are coming from,
because then you have that one teamthat's its been dominating everybody all year,
right, and normally that's the teamI can kind of be like,
Okay, if you get up set, I'm going to be like truly thrown
off, right, especially because theonly thing is you have to make sure

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there's no teams in the region thatcan kind of give them a surprise.
I mean, granted, it's onegame, one game wins all type deals,
so anybody can surprise anybody. Butwhen a region is competitive, even
from the bottom to the to theceiling, then you can more so anticipate
it in a lot of ways.And I feel like when I'm seeing people
just throw out tons of number ones, number twos and whatnot, I'm like,
damn, bro, Like that ain'tnormally how it goes. It's just

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not how it goes. And Ialways wonder because I think, I don't
remember when what was the year.I think it was Loyola, I think
it was Loyola something. It wasthe Chicago I can't remember, but it
was the year that they we hadthat older lady that was a part of
the tournament that was just going forlike the whole run, and I think

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she had picked her bracket right.She had predicted that their school was going
to be going and they were likean underdog the whole way. Was that
her name? Yeah, I entirelycould not remember him. What was the
school? Do you remember the Wasit Loyola Merrick? It was Loyola's,

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Okay, so I got it right. So the whole way she she was,
she picked it right up until theylost. She pretty much predicted for
them to go and win. Andit was those those type of runs that
are like the magical runs you leaguealways rooting for. But it's so rare
where we have like a number oneseed that just goes all the way to
distance in so many instances. Iwhat was the year that they had.

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I think it was the Duke freshmanand they almost went all the way and
then they ended up losing to Ithink it was either Stanford or Wisconsin.
I think it was Wisconsin they lostto. Was that Frank Kaminsky's team?
So many years I can't remember,but it's always it always is. The
tournament always just ends up kind ofgoing. Oh. I remember even when

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Uva got upset. Man, thatwas kind of crazy too. Yeah.
Yeah, when I when you whenyou Va got said, I remember,
that's like Risha's dad's favorite team,so that man was in peril, was
distressed. Or after they won thechampionship. I think that might have been
a year after. Yeah, II was they either won it a year

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later or they or they won andthen got eliminated like immediately a year after.
I forget. Yeah, it wasinsane. But this year I didn't
make a bracket. I debated,I'm making one, but I didn't want
to have to make another account becausemy work was doing one and then I
would have to make another account essentially. And every single time I'm make an
account one of these websites, man, I don't know what it is,

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but somehow my email gets into thehands of I don't know John two seven
six nine two eight, and I'mgetting emails talking about some do you want
to help our health organization? Andthen the email doesn't even go back to
any organization, and I'm just like, dude, why why how can people
just give out your email without youeven authorizing it? Like just how I
wonder how that happened? Bro?All the time, I'm just like,

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do you just get added to anemail list and then they just sell off
your email. It just always dumbfoundme. That's why I don't like signing
up for things anymore. Like Ihave one email that I'm like, Okay,
this is my email for like myrestaurants and stuff like that. So
I sign up for restaurants and whatnot. It ain't the way you got multiple
emails just for that, bro.Look no way, bro, I got

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one email just for my restaurants andwhatnot. I got my personal personal email
that's just for like actual important thingslike if I need to renew my registration
on my car lot and whatnot.That's that email. Then I have the
other email that's like my social mediaemail that you have to have the email
that creates the social media account.But then the problem is if you I

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think it depending on your settings maybe, but then you also get all the
notifications coming from that social media account. So I have that email from that
so I don't get spammed with allthe notifications, but I'm just aware of
something happens when I go check thatemail. Then I have actual KBR sports
email for business purposes, so thatone's for that specifically. So yeah,

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in no, way. Yeah,bro, you gotta be diverse. You
gotta diverse. Like, man,I just don't at the email for the
restaurants and stuff gets out that one. I'm like, I'm more okay with
it to me. You have anemail just for that. Yeah, bro,
look you go in there. You'relike, Yo, do I got
any deals this week? That's crazy. You gotta be ready, Bro,

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you gotta be ready. I respectit. Yeah. Man, Hey,
sometimes they just send you. They'llsend me a message, Hey, Brendan,
we have a surprise for you.I'm like, oh, really,
open up? Are you? Also? Tres me as that guy who would
make like an email account for likemultiple days, like multiple birthdays, so
that way, like you get multipleemails like oh hey, here's a discount

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and this place pretty since you's yourbirthday, it's like birthday six months ago.
I actually need you to check myemail for I was like, listen,
some kind of deal trying to justcome in and spend some money.
I think Jersey Mice has always heldme down on my birthday. They they
never let me down because they'll senda deal like oh you get you get

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a free Giant, or you getenough points to get one Jersey Mike sub.
And normally when you buy one sub, it gives you like enough points
for like the next sub or closeto about half of it, and then
go in maybe get one or twosubs in between. Bro, Now I
got enough for a giant sub.That's crazy club just one? Oh a

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Jersey Mike sub. Yeah, literallyliterally just one that's crazy. That is
pretty wild. Look at that they'dbe hitting though they dude, I mean
it's worth it. I spent money, but it was like it, Oh
yeah, Jersey mix sus be runningup the price? Which which one do
you get? Tuna man said,I get like the chicken terms of sandwiches

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and no matter where you go,tunas f I don't know if I agree
with that. Yeah, it's it'sup there like you have like your Turkey
progom, you have your trying tothink what's your what's your other the other
classes, your your Philly cheese states, your classics, Yeah, Philly cheese
steaks, and you have to Yeah, it's not he cares about that.

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I don't know, man, Tuna, I mean, most times I do
enjoy like a tuna sanwichar most placesI go. But I don't know,
there's been some tunas that you smellthem. It's like, oh no,
I mean as long as you goto it. You can go to a
official place, you know, likenow you go to like a gas station
and get to then yeah, Imean you're after for it. I'm sorry
if you go to like I don'tknow, he goes somewhere like Giant or

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Chinese, few things, but yeah, if you go there and get to
it's just like it's just like youdon't buy sushi from there, Like you
know, there a certain place youget you get sandwiches from, the certain
place you get sushi from. There'slike certa places, and it's like,
you know, yeah, no,I feel that. Normally when I go
to Jersey Mikes, I tend toget the I think the buffalo chicken cheese

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steak thing or whatever. It's eitherit's called that or it's called like the
Big Kahuna. One of the two. It's probably yeah, And that thing
always hits bro oh, It's alwaysso good. Every single time I get
it. I'm like, damn,man, you just don't. Don't.
You don't let me down, JerseyMice. You never do. And I'm
just so proud. Never had ahot stuff on Jersey Mikes, you've never

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had a hot sub literally only getto Wow, Bro, get that,
get the big kahoona, I getthe chicken, the Buffalo chicken, cheese
steak, one of something like oneof the two bro like they're fire.
Well but I'm not. I gotI got a monk for Rasha's buddy.

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Oh I'm kind of back clamping down. Yeah. I feel that. I
feel that you gotta get things right. I feel that all right, guys.
Well, if you're new to thepodcast, welcome, of course,
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So and then if you want toalso follow me, you can follow
me on TikTok at brendan app,and I also post KBR sports content on
there a lot of times. It'skind of stupid. I hate a lot
of these other social media apps,like Instagram has a minute thirty restriction to
how long you can make your reels. YouTube shorts is a minute, so

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essentially you're put you're putting up allthis sliced information everywhere. Same thing with
Facebook it's only a minute thirty.But then you go to TikTok and you
could post like a minute or upto like eight minutes of video. You
can make pretty much sppos a wholeYouTube video on TikTok, And I'm just
like guys, other social media platformscan we can we increase the bandwidth here,
like at least give me three minuteson Instagram reels or something like if

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TikTok is just lapping y'all with people, creators being able to multipurpose their content,
going being able to make it froma minute to up to eight minutes
on content like you can watch wholeYouTube videos on TikTok, but Instagram reels
and whatnot and Facebook are just solimited. Same thing with YouTube shorts the
platform that hosts YouTube videos. Maybethey feel like if they make shorts too

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long, then the shorts in acannibalistic way compete with actual videos. Maybe,
but I don't know, So thenwhat would be the point of the
videos? YouTube? I get itmore what you say seem to be banned
TikTok. That insane. That's whyI'm complaining because if TikTok gets banned,
what happens to every video that youneed to make that goes over a minute

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thirty cooked cooked, Because then it'snot suitable. Halftime is not suitable for
YouTube because YouTube wants you to havea video of at least eight minutes or
more because they reward creators based onwatch time. So the more you watch
a video on YouTube, or youwatch a specific person's video for the longer
amount of time, the more theirvideos get recommended to you, even if
you dislike the video, whatever thecase might be. Guess what if you

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got the minutes logged, they're goingto get pushed to you in the algorithm.
So there's your little nugget of theday. But I think most people
knew that. But actually some peoplemight actually think that YouTube algorithm works based
on likes and comments when actually itworks off of watch time. So if
you wonder why, if you havekids, and you wonder why Coco Melon
and all that stuff is still poppingup on your algorithm even though you don't

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directly watch it because your kids sitthere and watch it for hours. There
you go, right, there yougo. But guys, we have a
past. You don't know what cocoonis? Why no, why would I
know? A British freaking kids channelor whatever. It's like one of the
biggest kids programs in the world.I have never Yeah, I know,

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I don't know anything about it.Man, never. Wow, I don't
even have kids, and I knewthat. Yeah you know. But yeah,
but you have nephews. This,I do have nephews. You are
right, that is correct, Butthat even other. I mean, you
got friends that got kids about whatthey I guess that's true. I guess
that's true. You know what Imean. But guys, we do have

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a lot to talk about today,me and snack Kiltmeal, my guy here.
I didn't give you your actual introduction. We just kind of started talking
about the subs and whatnot to highhuman. So what high tier human?
We've moved on from high value manto high tier human. Exactly we should
make that a say, by that'smy FAGT rebranded? Is every I have

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a question? Is every based onhow social media? I'm not saying that
we believe this in any way,shape or form, but based on what
social media believes? Right, orat least what some of these Wait wait,
wait, do we need to puta fand on here? Maybe maybe

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we should call him but at leastwhat the red pill community believes by by
definition, right, high income,tall, whatever the case might be,
right, well off in the inthe one five percent of earners, right,

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yeah, does everybody? It's practicallyeverybody we're going to talk about today
a high tier man? Pretty sure? I don't think I think anytime you
mentioned like players, even role playershonestly, yeah, when they still isn't

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that I mean jaj right pick four? Yeah, I mean they all they
all yeah six four? I meanaverage male height is five to nine.
So yeah, shore kings rise upfor network probably the north of one hundred
million. I mean, I don'tI think I think you don't think all

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NBA players essentially just automatically get taggedthis high tier based on how I mean
I mean, yeah, from froma glad, what did that? Wouldn't
that be the standard definition? Imean your minimum your minimal contract is what
seven hundred thousand? Yeah, Ithink somewhere right there am I thinking of
football? I might be saying footballlike a lean to day contract in the
NBA gets you because the smallest yeah, at ten day contract based I don't

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know honestly, at ten day contractis of course they don't tell me where
it is. They just have atracker for it. Fred Andy five thousand,
Yeah, you would be in thens. I mean that for that's for

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ten days. Yeah, you'd beimmediately in the five percent of earners.
Well, you either be fifty oneclose to that's closed the national average.
And then but though if you ifyou're hitting one seventy five. Yeah,
but for ten days though, Imean that's what I'm saying, for ten
days, I mean that's like thatsixty one puts you immediately into your like

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you made more than half of halfthe people in the United States. Yeah,
it's pretty crazy for ten days.So what would that would every NBA
player maybe outside of like the shortestperson, the only people who you wouldn't
who would die and say you wouldn't, I should say social media would would

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be like the five to ten likeguy who's trying to make the NBA,
who's like, you know, hangingon to like like flowing between G league
slash ten day contracts. He's alreadymade money. He didn't know, but
he doesn't have the height though hedoesn't, but he has the money.
Though he do have the money,he do have the Still it's like he's

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five to nine. It's not likehe's you know, he's not five to
three. You know, it's likehe's still he's five to nine, but
also in athlete shape. So it'slike I kind of it kind of eats
himself out. Yeah, no,I get what you mean. So I
guess technically we are talking about allhigh tier. Yeah. So it's like
you're talking about a guy who's madeprobably north to fifty miil in his career,

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north to fifty mil NBA, NBA, NBA body, NBA, NBA
contacts only thirty five years old.Yeah, if you put that on paper,
that would be that would be ahigh here. You would be considered
high here. It is funny becauseI guess it does kind of bear out

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that way at least when you're whenyou're talking about it in terms of like
red pill social media standards, becauseif you were to rank, and this
is kind of getting more into thebauchery, but if you if you were
to rank, like which which league'splayers pull more, probably you'd go to
n b A, right, NBAwould probably be the top. Well actually,
well see here's the thing. DoNBA players pull more than soccer players?

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Yeah? You average? Yeah,soccer worldwide is, but also lifestyle,
we have aff we have a definitelyhave a different mentality year than they
do in Europe slash other parts ofthe country. That's true, That's true,
and that's what we definitely, wedefinitely are more okay with like that.

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I mean we have I mean Idon't. I don't follow like football
like so like you know, Idon't how often like you know, when
of the Night talk about you know, like we we have women the night
you talk about NBA players. Yeah, we woner released talking about like the
whole but my whole teams. Yeah, So it's like, I mean,
look at I mean, speaking ofwhen wheen of the times, we're going

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to have Jalen Greens you know,he I mean he he put he dating.
Ramlins is a known uh you know, she has a been social media
la reality TV star. I guessyou could say, yeah, yeah,
while I was gonna say she hastwo baby daddies who are who are celebrities
with no committed relationship to either one. It's just like, you know,

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like they're just that kind of thatkind of we have that kind of environment
here. It's not it's not likeI'm not saying it's a bad thing.
It's just what you know, that'sjust how the environment, don't You don't
think if if Christiano Ronaldo, oh, I guess I'm taking the most famous
soccer player, but if you tookI'm trying to think if you took a
soccer like a role player soccer player, and you let's say they were staying

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at like a hotel in Spain.No, you don't think that they would
have that pull. No, notin saying the same way as a regular
role player would have like here inin in what they called in the NBA.
Yeah, I think I just thinkit's it's way more like the difference

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I feel like is there's the smalllike NBA rosters are smaller, so no
more players. That is true,And I will say, I think NBA
players are harder to hide like that. That's the other thing I was gonna
say too, is like they isvery different when you see like your like
your average your average NBA players likewhat six six three at worst? Yeah,

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you know, it's like whereas,like you know, football, you
can have somebody from who's messy's whatfive five fives? He's like, I
don't know, I think I'm tryingto do. I'm sure, I'm sure,
I'm bad, I'm sure, butit's like, yeah, it's like
you have guys anywhere from like five, you know, five seven to you

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know, six feet. It's likeit's much easier to blend in and be
into the kind of like just fallinto like the crowd. I guess you're
there's more normal looking football players thanyou do NBA players. Yeah, I
guess I could see that, andit's it's just a bigger roster. I
just feel like the fanaticism, likeit's such rampant fanaticism and other countries for

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football that A. Yeah, Iwonder if it's also that we don't live
there, And that's my thing.I wonder if we lived there and we
saw it, because some of thestuff that you hear happened even in relations
to win loss for these sports.It's like do or die. And honestly
this is crazy. But a lotof the clips that you see of like

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for example, women you know,revealing themselves at these public games, happens
in those happens in those other countries. It doesn't normally. It's harder.
I feel like it's harder here andespecially and we're also very like very like
we saw this before. You canlisten. You can show somebody getting cut

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up. You can like show gutsand everything like that in a movie,
but there you show a nipple andLord forbade, it's over. Hey,
bro, I don't know. Intoday's era, Nah, you still can't.
You still can't do that. It'slike but in like in Europe and
in places like that, like beingbeing like shown like parts of like body
bars offer, it's not like thislike this giant taboo. Yeah. Culturally,

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I think there are the cultural differencescome to bear a lot more and
I wonder, I really don't.I don't know the difference of like what
celebrity status means in Europe versus andlike yeah, if you're if you're,
if you got Centavious codwoll pulp levelof juice, right, and you're like,
he's playing on the Nuggets. Idon't really have the equivalent of what

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that would be if you're playing inthe European Football League. And yeah,
you know, I don't big enoughsoccer fans to understand, like these things.
We got to get my brother onhere, my older brother, my
older brothers. Like obviously, again, so I go back to the point,
we should start another podcast, alife, a men's life podcast.

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That's the times that multiple times weshould do this. Anyway, Brendan hates
Brennan hates content. That's that's whatwe've come We've come to learn Brendan love's
time. But anyway, so wewe we were talking about all this,
talking about a lot of the we'regonna talking about HIH tier players and obviously

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one of the high t men,obviously one of the high high highest heer
players men, whatever you want tocall it, Lebron James, Right,
Lebron James and J. J.Reddick. J J. Reddick been one
of the biggest voices in the podcastbased NBA podcast Pace And they got a
new podcast called Mind the Game,and it's honestly a deva. It's a

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nice deviation from how we normally hearpeople talk about the NBA talk about basketball.
Normally, you're listening for hot takes. You're here, you're listening for
debates, somebody trying to make anargument why somebody is greater or lesser than
another person. But it was interestingbecause in this podcast, in a way,
it's a bit refreshing because I thinkfor those who just it's way more

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for core basketball, right. Ithink the outer shells of fans of the
NBA like those debates. They likethe hot takes, right, I mean,
I think everybody can have fun withthem. It's not as easy barbershop
conversation as you will say. Butthen as you get closer to the core
of the shell, that's where youhave more of the hardcore people who are
like fans of like the artistry thebasketball, right, how basketball operates,

(23:52):
how it functions like those are thepeople that follow channels like coach Nick and
Daniel. I forget I love shounoat these guys because they, honestly,
they helped me learn more about basketball. I forget what Daniel. I think
it's Daniel coach Daniel as well butI think when it comes to like there's
different brands of like fandom within theNBA and mind the game is for the

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for the ladder, for people whoare more in the into just the x's
and o's of it. And whileLebron and JJ Reddick they talked about so
many things. One of the thingsthat are so many topics on the Basketball
podcast, even ranging from how Lebronassessed being able to make a comeback for
the Lakers. They talked about likewhen a guy, how a team kind
of gauges when they know they're goingto start getting pulled, and when how

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long they have to make a run. A lot of good information in there.
But one of the things that theydid talk about that I found was
really interesting with them talking about likeSteph Curry and Allen Iverson and when it
came to impact on the game ofbasketball, and in discussing the change of
the game, they were discussing howand I'm going to paraphrase here because I
didn't write down this specific quote,so ellipsis, I guess you could say

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they talked about the fact that intwo thousand and five, two thousand and
four, two thousand and six,area of basketball. I think JJ came
in around two thousand and eight,two thousand and seven, so from when
JJ initially came in, he wastalking about how before held, his playing
time would be around twelve minutes orso like that, because he would get

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playing time at the end of gamesto be able to come in get some
reps in when and it would belike twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter
with like an eighteen point lead,because teams just didn't normally come back from
that when he initially came into theleague, because three point shooting wasn't where
it was today. And Lebron goesin to talk, goes on to talk
about like everything changing abouta nine orwhatever when the light skin dude came into

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the league, referring to Steph Curry, and because Steph Curry made every single
lead pretty much surmountable just because ofhow well he could shoot the three ball.
And then they go on, theykeep talking about the topic, and
they go on and eventually Lebron saysthis, and this is going to be
quoted, and if I there aregonna be sometimes where I skip over some

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of what he says because I don'tthink that's like essential to the point that
he was making. So I'll sayellipsis in those moments, but he says
when it comes to influence, sinceI have been watching the game, we
obviously know what Mike did for thegame. Steph and Allen Iverson are the
two biggest influential guys since I've beenwatching and covering it. Ellipses, Allan
Iverson and Steph were just so relatable. Kids felt like they could be them.

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They were guys that were not alwayscounted on and were small and stature.
They defied the odds. You gotAi, who is who has an
unbelievable crossover cornrows armsleeve. Everyone wearsan arm sleeve. Now because of Alan
Iverson, he's going into the trenches, laying it up over Biggs. And
now you have Steph who is shootingover the Empire State Building. So that's

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the end of quote. And Ifound it interesting because I sat there.
I was like, man, We'vehad so many people that have been instrumental
to where to influence on basketball.Whether you talk about Oscar Robertson, essentially
his influence with NBA free agency,we don't have NBA free agency if Oscar
Robinson doesn't sue the League in theseventies for NBA free agency. Then you

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have Magic and Bird. Right,Magic and Bird, I guess you could
say made basketball. They made basketballworth watching on a on a on a
on a bigger scale. Right,But then you have the Jordan era and
Jordan Eras where everything changed for basketball. I guess you could say, I

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think it's it's tough because the Birdand Jordan, the Bird, Magic and
then Jordan Eras are so close,but there's obviously a level because it's like
they almost did a similar thing,but Jordan just did it to the next
level. And so I'm gonna I'mgonna touch on that point. But then
we get to Kobe shack era,and Kobe shack era is more of a

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continuation of what the game was before, right, They more so kept the
game, propped it up, andthey kept it still where Jordan left it
at right during that Kobe shack era, and then throughout the two thousands into
the twenty tens. Then we hitthe twenty tens and that's I would say
the Lebron era. That's the LebronBig Three Heat era and so on.

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Then we get to the latter point, probably around two thousand and fourteen two
thousand and four. And the funnything is you have in the middle of
the two thousands, you have thelittle bubble that pops with the Steve Nash
Suns, right with that Son's organizationreally seeing where basketball was going. But
they didn't have the talent for itbecause players weren't developed in that way to

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that point yet. But you sawthey saw where the game was going then.
And mind you, Steve Kerr isthe general manager of that Sun's team.
Then, yeah, come years laterafter the Warriors go ahead and pretty
much draft all they the perfect piecesto build what they would need to perfect
the Sun's formula and Steph Curry,Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson. They

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eventually Steve Kuran as a coach toreplace Mark Jackson. But prior to that,
you saw what was happening with Stephwhen he drops fifty on the knicks,
when you have all these different notableperformances, right, But it was
really Steve Kerr when he came inthere and installed his offense. He really
took that Warriors team to the nextlevel. And then people realize, oh,

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this is what basketball should be now. And it was this free flowing
offense with three point shooting, andit all centered around Steph Curry's gravity that
he carries or how much attention hecarries around because he could shoot from anywhere
on the court and the rate thathe was shooting threes at and that team
in general. It became a thingwhere people were just like, what the

(29:42):
freak man Like, we can't wecan't keep trying to like score in the
post here because we're gonna get outpaced. We're down twenty before we even
know it, and we're keeping upwith them scoring wise, but we're just
every two we scored, they're stillgoing up one because they're scoring threes.
And so that's the impact Lebron isspeaking to Now, I'm gonna, oh,

(30:03):
I do me. Let me bouncethis off of you, because I'm
unwittingly skipped over the Allen Iverson archabit there when Lebron noted Alan Everson.
If you want to talk about AlanIverson some you can't because Alan Everson lines
up with the Kobe and Shaq erain a way, and he had.
He wasn't the best player in thatera, but he was He was arguably
the most impactful of the Kobe ShackEra if you wanted to go into that,

(30:25):
It's tough to say because it's likehe got Kobe Shack. But like
every all, like all the kidswanted to be either wanted to be like
AI or you wanted to be likeKobe. But since you because you weren't
six feet six six, you're like, yeah, you know, it's like
Lebron who like players you see rocksleague constantly because of Aid Waighte wear three

(30:48):
because of AI. A lot ofplayers replates their game after AI. It's
like everyone like he was, helike personifies the league kind of he came.
He like broke, like you said, the corn rules, that data
center, changing the whole entire league. Dress Cad dressed though, because because
they gave him what play it inaround like AI, he just had such

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an impact, like he was sucha big deal. So let me pick
up the torch that you're you're pickingyou're carrying here because you know you're saying
something. Alan Iverson, I willsay this, he he made basketball into
the culture, Like I guess ifthat's what you want to call it.
He brought he Alan Iverson was thepersonification of bringing hip hop to basketball.
If you can say, because basketballwasn't this league where yeah, everybody loved

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Mike, right, Mike was likethe face of the league, but in
terms of a dude that you're like, oh, that guy's from the hood.
And it was like he embodied likethe music everybody was listening to and
everything like that. That was ailike if a rapper was to make the
NBA, it was Alan iverson embody, embodiment and whole right. Alan Everson
he went through obviously his share ofcontroversies, but also because of the fact

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that he was such like a hehe had the baggy the baggy swag,
he had the corn rows, hehad like you know what I mean,
and he was just everything that playerswanted to be. And in a way,
it's so funny because I think theclosest glimpse we got of that happening
a second time, it wasn't notanywhere close to Alan Everson, of course
because it didn' last as long.But Derek Rose in twenty eleven. When

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Derek Rose kind of came into that, he was kind of this code killer
that everybody loved. It was afan of people wanted to play like Derek
Rose, and it was he hadthat allan Iverson type of swag to him
would go ahead, you're gonna saysomething. Nah, dere was always just
like Derek those It was quiet.You know. Everybody always tells you know,

(32:43):
he's just the quiet you kept tohimself. It's like a I was
like he had that swag, butit's also like he was he got he
got into a fight before college.He uh the practice argument like the act
he also had on court, Likeit was the act that he was like
six feet and he was also goingto be he was also going to be
in your faith from high school,in high school, in college he was

(33:06):
the teams that he was the team'senforcers. Lucky. It was like being
six feet one sixty five, hewas the team's enforces back then. It
was like that was the thing.It was like it was like, yeah,
he has the swag like off thecourt and all that stuff, but
it was also like just a movementlike putting cup in his ear, going
to the crowd and loud and loudand like that. All that stuff that's
just all like personed by AI andlike, I don't know, we have

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lively had a player, so youknow, honestly, the closest kind of
to that is kind of Anthony Edwards. Do you think so, now that
I think about it, Yeah,kind kind of like that guy who has
that swag on him Off the court, he's like not he's wildly confident,
kind of brash, not kind ofbrash. He has brash and when he's
also on the court, he's talking. He like Theffros wasn't a rapper like

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he wasn't He didn't talk on thecourt like you said, he was kind
of like stone face. He wasjust kind of stow fings with stone face.
Still, Yeah, I think AnthonyEdwards is more personable, which I
think Ai was also personable. Hewas Ai was charismatic. Yeah, yeah,
it's like Anthy Edwards is definitely likeJohn John there is nice as well,

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but like Anthy Edwards is, Ifeel like he fits that kind of
like that swag more than than thanJah does. Well, then let me
ask you, do you agree withLebron that those two are the two people
who have had the biggest impact Butthe only thing I'm going to disagree with
you about is and I guess Iguess by the fault Lebron is the three

(34:34):
point shooting thing. I think theleague was already moving towards that. We
saw that with Miami, where likehems were kind of unlocking the idea of
hey, instead of taking along too, just take a step back and take
a three. If you're a bigman, right like he's already starting to
understand like that, that's the movethat you're going to I don't think that

(34:57):
part was Steph, but I thinkSeth made the impact was And I don't
know if I talk about on theshow or you know what I talk about
you before, but I remember onegame it was some random, random roll
player. It might have been likeBrandon Rush or somebody like that. It
was like really random all player,and he came down early in the shock
lock, hit the move, stepback, three hits it, and I'm

(35:21):
like, random Rush doing moves likethat, and it's like that, that
to me is what step has done. Everybody can shoot step back like nowadays,
off the dribble, pull up,step backs, like all those things.
Those things you weren't seeing that midtwo and even in the two thousand
and ten you weren't seeing players dothat. And then like all of a

(35:43):
sudden, every player can can comeinto the league being able to do that
so you can't shoot, You're you'relike off the league. Now, I
think that's where I will push backbecause I think that's where I think I
do agree with Lebron in JJ,because I think that even though yes,
you you in a way, Ithink you're right, but in the same

(36:05):
sense I don't think you are becauseMiami was kind of going in that direction,
but they weren't fully bought in ina sense I don't they They played
that style with those three point shootersby by virtue of needing to write,
because they would have like one shooterlike an Eddie House or a I don't
know if I call Norris call ashooter maybe until his ladder his latter years

(36:28):
in that victory, but Mario Chalmers, Ray Allen, and then you'd have
like Chris Bosh and then the centerwould be like Birdman or something like that.
But in today's they also they alsoexperimented with putting Brown at the five
in Running. For In Running,it was you have Wade Alan Daddy,

(36:51):
and then you have Broun. Youhave big liners, where Bron playing the
five, you have stretched the courtout because you have Wayde and Brown.
Booth did well. Brons did shoota little bit back then, but it
was like when he wasn't shooter,so you had had support out with those
three So it's like they didn't fullycommit enough. Why I think that's where
it started, But it wasn't likebut you saw that, and other teams

(37:13):
started slowly implementing that. You cango, I can guarantee you go,
check like three point attempts slowly startkicking up, and then it like you
just see a consistent line up ofthree point attemps pree year. Oh yeah,
trust me. I'm working on thevideo for that right now. I've
done the research on that, soI mean it does happen. I broke
it down by specifically by decade,and you do see it, like I

(37:34):
think I went to two thousand andfour, then you go to twenty fourteen,
and it definitely is an increase.That's why I noted the bubble that
the Sun's created, because the Suns, in a way were a bit of
the template that people were gunning forwith that three point shooting or eventually showed
it and the Spurs were doing ittoo. The Spurs were doing it to
a degree as well. And it'sthe Spurs in their own fashion. They
made the corner three a very avery potent shot. Yeah, they emphasized

(38:01):
that it's the shortest, the shortestwinner to eat your shot. Take that.
It's I think that I would sayGolden State was the first team to
like fully embrace going. But see, here's the thing. I think Golden
State was the team that proved itworked because remember, for the longest time,
people weren't buying it because even thoughLebron and Miami and them were doing

(38:22):
it, they had Lebron, DwayneWade, and Chris Bosh and people were
like, well, they have thosethree guys, So at the end of
the day, it's like, yeah, we maybe we might want to space
to court down or whatever. Maybewe know we're not prioritizing big men in
the pain that need to be aroundthe rim and stuff like that. But
at the same time, they hadthose three players, so you were already
seeing a talent deficit there that otherteams couldn't really rival. Then when the

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Warriors came along, then people werelike, because for the longest time,
Charles Barkley clung to that moniker thatjump shooting teams don't will don't win championships.
Now if you're not a jump shootingteam, you won't win a championship.
And so I think that's why thechange was so paramount with Golden because
they proved it was a viable option. It wasn't a mirror theory anymore.

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It wasn't a revolutionary fad more saythey made it, and especially because they
went multiple times to the finals andit was clear, you have like this
team the way they're playing basketball ifyou can't play basketball that way, and
especially when they went through pretty muchthe gauntlet of the West at the time,
right at each time they went tothe finals, they went through the

(39:28):
West Gauntlet, and they beat allthe premier teams that played in the old
version of how you played basketball,and then even one that played in the
new version, well not entirely new, because they didn't have the roster shooters
that Golden State did. And talkingabout okay see, but they had like
bar for bar talent, I guessyou could say, but a lot of
what okay see laxes. It didn'thave consistent shooting. And that's when you

(39:50):
realize, hey, we can't wecan't play that. We can't have guys
that are one way anymore. Wejust can't right, and so I do
think but I I do want topush back on one thing because I don't
fully agree with Lebron. I thinkAlan Iverson was was huge to bringing a
level of culture to the league,but I will say I do still think
Michael Jordan had a bigger impact.Granted Lebron said from the time that he

(40:13):
was watching, But for someone thatsays he understands the history, he knows
the whole history of basketball, I'mlike, well, what is that.
I don't know. Maybe he justfeels like Alan had a bigger impact than
mj did, maybe on him personally, but I think that without Michael Jordan,
I just don't think the league iseven anywhere close to where it is
now. Obviously, and I meanwhat I mean, okay, yeah,

(40:35):
yeah, yeah. I just thinkMichael Jordan brought basketball into homes that it
was never ever going to be in, and I think that that has pushed
the basketball basketball into and it onceit entered those homes, it didn't leave.
And I think that's the big thingwhich has led to players getting paid
more, which has led to thesuit. The stardom of Michael Jordan was

(40:57):
the magic was a star, rightand Bird was a star, but Matt
Michael was the first, like superstar, like people I can't get out of
my hotel, Michael Jackson level typeof fandom. I would say that,
I think worldwide, Michael Jordan waswhen people went to see the Olympic team,
it was huge for all the otherguys, right, people wanted to

(41:17):
see Magic, they want to seeBird, but Michael was the premier guy
in other countries with the Jordan logobeing draped all over the coliseum because people
wanted to see Jordan. And soI think he made the game so global
in a way that I think itjust it took everything to a whole new

(41:38):
level. And that's why I thinkI was trying to intimate earlier. I
didn't. I didn't have the worstto say it, Like my Magic and
Bird made it a household game inAmerica, but Michael took it to be
in a household game everywhere. Undersellinghow Magic and Bird work. I'm not.
I'm not trying to undersell it,that's the thing, but it's like
that's the best way I can describeit. Saying they brought it into the

(42:01):
homes is not what I would describeit as. I would describe it that
they saved the NBA from from collapsing. Well, they did say the NBA.
But that's that's what I'm saying thebest way I can say that,
though. I mean, if youwant to, I mean, if you
want to go on more to detail, you can, But no, no,
no, we're not. We're notgoing to go into the history of
the NBA podcast. Yeah, butthe NBA was. It was on tape

(42:24):
delay at the point of the timewhen Magic and Bird initially came in the
league. That's how irrelevant the NBAwas. But I think twenty teams weren't
making money or it was like someof the third number of teams were not
making money. No, yeah,they they had gone through they were in
a massive crack a cocaine crackdown.They the league was. The league was

(42:51):
seen as I mean, obviously becausethey're doing drugs and whatnot, seen as
a thug league. Like the league. The league was basically dead before they
came along. It wasn't in agood place. That's true. It's very
very, very very true. It'svery true. So I think there's so
many faces for me I put Iprobably put Michael and Steph, but a

(43:12):
lot of guys deserve. I mean, that's why whenever people talk about their
Mount Rushmore, I'm like, forwhat, like you know what I mean,
Like, are we talking about MattelRushmore. I tried to do Mount
Rushmore and it's just like there's twoLike I don't know, there's like five
guys to me that are like you, like there's this eras like influence,
like these are all the people thatlike you. But even then it's like

(43:32):
even even if I say that,I'm like no, because then Dirt's also
there. So it's like I can't. I can't just say those five.
It's like it's like you start slowly, like like dirt opened up. Dirt
was like the first Internet, Likehe was the first international guy that like
was like we really like, oh, how many how many like number one
European pips or like how many topten European pigs did they get trying to

(43:53):
trying to find dirt? Yeah,but what do you well, I guess
would do you consider Hakeem Olajue?No, because the King went to he
went to Euston. I went toschool here. Yeah, okay, I
get what you mean. Yeah,you're you're taling about like fully euro League.
Yeah, like he was the first, like like European Like remember Europeans

(44:15):
were too soft, they can't playhere, blah blah blah. And then
Dirt came along and you know,succeeded. And then you know, Andrea
Big Yanni Dark Dark Old Military hada big It was a big deal because
of because of dirt. These areall like those are guys who don't go
you know, top top five,top three one, you know, without
the influence of of dirt balling outlike he did. Yeah, even and

(44:40):
then it's like past that, it'slike you have guys like that, men
who I mean literally brought basketball tothe whole country. Basically. It was
like it's like when you say mountinRush, like I tried to do the
Mount Reshport thing, and it's justlike there's just too many. There's too
many people, too many and toopeople. Isn't a while when you think
about how young basketball still is,I mean yeah, I mean it's really

(45:00):
only really started. I mean likeI mean really since bird Magic. I
mean that's when it really kind ofBasketball is a seventy eight year The NBA
in itself is a seventy eight yearold league. Yeah, it's like we
have grand parents age. We haveteams in the from baseball who got championship

(45:22):
from like eighteen eighty. It's nuts. NBA is such a young league.
Man, Like we seventy eight yearsold. We're I mean we're nineties kids.
So seventy eight years old, ninetieskids. We missed about fifty years

(45:43):
of the NBA around from forty tofifty, forty to fifty the oldest teams
melbeat. Oh no, I wasjust gonna say, but it feels like
I'm not This is not to disrespectgreats like Mike and Russell will whoever,
but if it feels like the NBAdidn't really come into like birth until Bird.

(46:05):
Yeah, so that's why I said, like it's really been since the
seventies eighties, and it's really justbeen I mean ages, that's say.
But it's like those were the buildingblocks. But yeah, we that it
doesn't exist without them. Yeah,you know, we can't. We can't.
You can't tell the history of theleague without them. But it took
off as a mainstream sport in theeighties. Yeah, I'd agree. And

(46:31):
it's like and you will go lookat like the also like going looking at
I'm looking at August mL MLB teamsand they were like, we don't about
the Arizona Cardinals from eighteen ninety eight, Green Bay from nineteen nineteen, Chicago
nineteen twenties, you know, mMLB eighteen seventy one, Chicago Cubs eighteen

(46:52):
seventy six, the Pirates eighteen eightyone, sut one hundred whole years before
the NBA became mainstream. It waslike people, baseball was mainstream, like
really early. Damn that's insane.Yeah, I wasna say baseball. Baseball
was made, like they made theagreement in nineteen oh three to start,

(47:13):
but they have been playing baseball sinceeighteen sixty nine. Yeah, that's pretty
wild. I mean baseball is.I mean, that's why for the longest
time it was always called to beAmerica's pastime, because it's still it's still
holding. Yeah, it's kind ofthe America's team. That's what I was
trying to say. It like wecalled and what it is are two different

(47:34):
things. But that's a fact.It's like I don't know, man,
I love the show, I lovethe game, but it's just like like
you said, it's just like America'slike the America's team. You know,
I meant even to push that onthat ACTUK accomplish America team. I think
they're that because people make them that. I think it's like they're they're their

(47:59):
failure fuel fuel generations. If ifthe media didn't decide to talk about the
Cowboys every single week, you saythat, but people tune in because people
want to hit on the Cowboys.But I think it's like a self fulfilling
prophecy. If the Cowboys weren't theteam that people if the minute they started

(48:19):
losing and they just stopped getting talkedabout. In a similar fashion to how
people don't really talk about the Patriotsanymore, people don't talk about the People
still talk about the Stelers because Stelershave always been relevant, But I guess
they just don't talk about the Steelersto the degree they talk about the Cowboys,
despite the Steelers being in the lastwhat two decades, a more successful
franchise, not as interesting. Butis that the Steelers fall? Is that

(48:43):
the media's fault? That's what wouldyou classify? What comes down to the
Steelers interesting? These are your homeome, They go to work, do the
job like they're like they have evenlike if you talk about the characters the
Steelers have, it's like you haveanthy uh Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown,
it's like outside of him, likefor Sharpman, the Hall had his had

(49:05):
his moment, but he was likehe retired for you know, seven years.
So okay, So you're saying thecontroversy is what makes the team interesting?
Yeah, come on, come on, yeah, what controversy were we
getting from the Patriots outside of theflate gate and freaking uh spy gate.
It's just fun to hate him,That's all it was. Could have hated

(49:31):
you have. You have the goldenboy in Tom Brady, very easily to
hate it, hate it with theperson. Just hate the Blacks player,
right, uh huh, you don'tlike the steel don't like Rob Drew's just
not like not like for for reasons, for reasons, uh Antonio Antonio Brown.

(49:58):
That try to carrying into that.But it was like later in his
career and he's also just crazy likenot even like an when he went,
he wasn't even a Steeler you okay, he didn't even work, So it's
like he wasn't even it's like afunny hot hot fan of like jerk.
He's like he says the wild stuffyYeah, It's like it's not that's not

(50:22):
a fun hat noble person. That'slike a whoa not sounds like kind of
a jerk, kind of going offthe wall there a little bit o buddy.
It's like, you know, likeHaines Warden would be that guy.
But kins Ward's just kind of boring. He's just he's just a hard nose
player on the on the field.He wasn't like somebody who talks wow to

(50:43):
the media or anything like that.It's like, you don't have no golden
boys. Hey, there's no there'snothing. They're just you just like him
because they win. That's the reasonwhy he just liked him. It's like
like Tom Brady is like he's he'she's likeablele. He's first of all,
he's like he's the face of theNFL's always winning with god by I can't

(51:12):
you're described on top of that.It's like and you go hold your model
why you're seeing your your perfect life, not like come on, bro,
like you have too much. You'regoing on you're sifore your your like male
model status, Like come on,you have? So what's going on?
Is you hate but it's it's notagain, you're not hating him because of
who You're not hating because he's TomBrady. You're just like, you know,

(51:34):
you're doing so well for your life. Like give us something, you
know, give us as the Poe, bro, That's what I'm saying.
It's like, And so it's likeif if you have that, it's like
that you go home with people don'tlike tax alone. Not because Tackphone is
a bad person or nothing, butit's like, Bro, you're winning everything.
You're winning. Yeah, you're justwinning. Like you're you're doing everything

(51:59):
right. You're there's a phenom atlike twenty eight, twenty nine and you're
talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time already like no retired.
I mean, I guess it's becauseyou know. The funny thing is,
I think that the people talk aboutthe Lakers this much right right after
Kobe's retirement, like when Kobe wasn'tthere anymore and you didn't have one of
the faces of the league. Becauseif you wanted to make a parallel between

(52:22):
the America's team and a team inthe NBA, it would be the Lakers,
right, And so I feel Iwant to it's like the also the
Cowboys. Like Okay, first ofall, I feel it's all about from
like when I when I started followingFoole, It's like, you like Tony
Romo fumbles the the field ballack right, and then he turned around. He's

(52:45):
a starter, and it's like youhave the otherest things. The Cowboys always
have the Cowboys. They always havea good team to all. The Cowboys
fans, who are the biggest,noisiest fans probably in football, are always
yeah, right, despite the factthey didn't want a championship in seventeen seventeen
decades and they haven't seen oney intheir lifetime, they're always they're always the

(53:07):
first one to start talking and youalways know they're Cowboys fans. So it's
like it's it's a combination of theteam is unlikable, but the fan base
also is like the worst fan basein the NFL, holy hell. So
so it's like a combination of things. It's like again, Steeler fans are

(53:30):
annoying, but they're not they're notCowboys fans. Yeah, I mean a
part of it. I mean thatpart of the plays the part. It's
the same thing with like Lakers fans, right, it's like the Lakers themselves
can be unlikable put their fans ata level onto it that you like,
you're like, oh, when theylose, you best the leaves, you're
talking graps because the Lakers fans havebeen talking grabs the entire time. Oh

(53:52):
my gosh. So it's like,yeah, it's like it's it's just a
combination the Lakes, Like there arecertain teams that just have the combination of
everything that comes together to make thatteam unlikable and you just want to hate
their franchise. That is so funny, man. It's like it's like you'll
hate you'll hate Laker fans, right, But it's like Boston is kind of

(54:13):
the same way. But Boston youonly talk about them when they're good.
When they're bad, you don't careabout Boston. When the Lakers are good,
you care about them. When Lakersare bad, you care about them
because you making fun of Laker fansbecause your team's bad. And yeah,
that's why I'm like, I'm Iguess a bit of a I'm appalled a
bit because I feel like the Cowboysshould fall, or both franchises respectfully.
The Lakers and the Cowboys should betreated like the Celtics get treated when they're

(54:35):
bad. I mean, just ignorethem and then right now you should be
focusing all the media coverage on thegood teams. Yeah, but they but
they're like once Boston bad, nobodycares about them anymore. But I see
that's the thing. But it's thatmore of an immediate thing. I mean
sure, but the thing is whenthe when when the Celtics are bad,
their fans are quiet, Like youjust hear a ton of talk when the

(54:59):
Celtics we're in the mud, right, But it's like, bro, you
do best believe, don't matter?What when when you guys got a Lonzo,
when you had Randall Lonzo and bI all, Bro, we got
the back corner league, We're aboutto win a ring and nobody stopping this.
Bro, what No, we wouldn'ttrade this court for freaking staph Curry

(55:20):
Lebron or kid Kevin Durank blah blahblah. Immediately always it doesn't it doesn't.
I respect it, right, itdoesn't matter who you've even Caruso,
we ain't trade grus Nobody. Ireflect it, you know, the right
from their players. It's cool.But also at the same time, talk
about their players. It is funnybecause it's so true. Bro. I

(55:44):
just remember these times, bro,Lakers fans swore we were going to the
chip with Lonzo b I junior benchplayers for twenty points a game. He's
the next one. Bro. It'slike, yeah, it's like, that's
what I'm saying. It's like littlewhen Boston's bad, they just sit there

(56:04):
and you know, don't don't payattention to note, don't worry about it
where, don't worry about it.Loud and brow. Bro, they have
they have Jared what what's that?Who's that? Dude? You guys just
drafted? Yeah? From where?What? Woun now? Hush the fino

(56:27):
or whatever? Jalen Jalen Hood.I'm not gonna say it lasting because I
don't know it. Jenerosa Fino.Go ahead, come on, you guys
will be there rocking the match.Christy Jersey talking about how break he's gonna
be that because it's true. It'slike, yeah, guess what, when

(56:52):
you're a white that's a fan base. It's fun to make funny you guys
when you're bad. Hey, man, Yeah, I guess I get it.
I get it. Man. Well, it's funny enough about the top
of the Lakers. Right now,they're bad. We're still talking about their
average, their average with the averageis today you're best player. Your best

(57:15):
player is forty one in your otherone's thirty average. Where you're looking to
be. But here's the thing theLakers, the reason why they get talked
about so much right now, it'sdifferent. That's why I said when Kobe
you were tired, because it's differentwhen you have like the biggest face in
the league on the team, becausethen you're going to talk about them because
the proxy of Lebron or Kobe.But when none of that is existent,
then it's like, why are wetalking about this team? There's no reason

(57:37):
to talk about the Lakers if theydon't have any of those guys. And
the funny thing is when Kobe wasretired, all the Lakers talk was about
if the Lakers are gonna get havea coup happened, if it wasn't what's
their name, what's the genie?If Genie was going to lose the team
to the Brothers trying to take theteam from her, Oh look at that.
Look at that out of Boston buttonedup the war happening here on the

(58:02):
Lakers while they go like eleven andsixty in seventy one, eleven and seventy
one. But Dad, they're notwar going. That is is pretty crazy?
How like trauma? Yeah, Iwant to know what's going on there?
Yeah? Yeah, I want everythingon weak to come out. Yeah
all Bro, when that man Magicleft, Bro, oh man, the

(58:27):
news was, you're justifying all allof this right now? That's what I'm
saying. What's up of these franchises? Bro? Really, who aren't justifying?
Why they get so much coverage?Oh? The team that probably won't
less than twenty games that year?Damn, that's actually crazy because it's so
true. But why why are thewhy? Why do I want to hear

(58:52):
about the seven in in eighty two? Freaking Bobcat. I don't care about
them. No, I'm talking aboutthe teams that are good, Like,
why is it okay see getting mostof the coverage right now? Minnesota getting
most of the coverage right now?Yeah, they're and cool on way they
are, But who cares? Youknow what I'm saying they should be?

(59:12):
I don't know. Listen, Idon't watch ESPN, Slash FS one,
Slash, Fox, Slash wherever,I WI other stations now so I have
Twitter. All I have, I'lltell you I'll have Twitter. I follow
small like analytical pages, so theyall talk about these things. So I
don't know what it's talked about themainstream media. I get you. I

(59:37):
feel that. Okay, let's let'smove on to the next to talk about
them. So this week I recentlyhave put out a TikTok or whatever you
call it, talking about my thoughtsthat I felt like the Lakers are not
title contenders right now. And alarge part of that had to do with
the fact that obviously I watched thatto say, every Laker game, right

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yeah, and I through watching them, I just feel like I have seen
this team. Despite the fact Ifeel like the Lakers are more talented than
they were a year ago, theyhave regressed so much in terms of in
terms of just how efficient they wereon the defensive end from the all from
the trade deadline of last season tonow. And it's weird because they brought

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back essentially the same team and improvedin small pieces. Now. I mean,
you talked about this a little bitlast night, like they're dealing with
they've dealt with injuries, right,and a large part of what my video
consisted of was talking about the factthat the Lakers are a team where they're
not like the Nuggets or the Celtics, who are obviously the two of the
best teams in both conferences. TheNuggets aren't the one seed in the West,

(01:00:45):
though, but I took, yeah, they are the best team in
the conference, their number two seedright now, they're one. They're literally
one game behind the Okay see Thunder. But yeah, I talked about both
those teams from the standpoint of theLakers don't have a roster where, for
example, they can be versatile bothoffensively and defensively. They're still in the
age where they have to and mostteams are. But I guess it just

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depends on what the what the flooris on, Like, they're interchangeable guys,
but the Lakers are still in anerror where their best players are majority
one way guys. Outside of Lebronand Anthony Davis, D'Angel Russell, and
Austin Reeves, they're they're awesome supplementaryplayers to what Lebron and Anthony Davis do,

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but then on the defensive side ofthe ball, they are very they
just have staggering deficiencies. Yeah,they exist exactly, and they're easily targetable
on like when when a team isrunning their sets, they're going for D'Angel
Russell and Austin Reason, they cantake their pick of either one, honestly.
So it leaves the Lakers on theirback foot defensively. Then if they're

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going to put in their defensive lineup, which normally consists of Lebron, Anthony
Davis, Ruiy Hachimura, Torian Prince, and Jared Vanderbilt, fine, that's
a fine that's a fine lineup.But then what this number one thing that
you notice that that lineup doesn't have. It's playing, it's playmaking and three
point shooting. Those are the topthings that those two teams don't have or
they'll want those that lineup that defensivelineup doesn't have. And one of the

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things that the Lakers are hurting fromright now is the fact that they have
injuries across. Jared Vanderbilt is hurtright now. Gave Vincent, another guy
from Miami who's supposed to be thatother backup supplementary piece for them, is
hurt and the Lakers just you saidhe's out for the season. Yeah,
So they're in positions where they're sorrysay again, all of them are yes

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cooked, So the Lakers aren't aren'tin a position where they have this,
they have like a lot of versatilitycan throw out there. So they're regrets.
They've regressed in a lot of ways. And it was interesting to me
to look at because the Lakers arehonestly, literally right smackdab in the middle
of both offense and defense. Offensively, they're fourteenth in offensive efficiency defensively eighteenth

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in defensive efficiency. Now, whatI found interesting is that the Lakers are
number two or three right at thismoment in terms of two pointers scored.
Right, they're right there next tothe Denver Nuggets. So take with that
what you will. But then whenyou look at three point shooting, this
is what made me even more interested. Three point shooting. In terms of
makes, they're twenty seventh in theleague right now. The Nuggets are twenty

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eighth. Right, the Nuggets aretwenty eighth. But then when I looked
at three point defense and how manythree pointers are allowed, the Lakers are
twenty eighth and three pointers allowed atfourteen point one. They make eleven point
five a game. The Nuggets aresecond and defensive on three pointers allowed.
They only allow I think eleven pointtwo three pointers per game, So the

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Nuggets are getting the most they're playing. I guess you what, you would
say they have in a way foundthe balance. They're not fully they don't
just chuck up threes, right,they find a lot of shots going towards
rim and stuff like that. Butwhen they do shoot threes, they're very
high quality trees and they're able todefend the three point line, so they
don't get just outpaced and scoring likethe Lakers do. Because yeah, if

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a team can end up just hittingabout two or three more threes than the
Lakers, and let's say they havea better shooting Knight from the paint or
the two point range as well,then you can see how a games can
get away from the Lakers and theyend up falling short in so many different
facets. And it's been disappointing becausewhen you look at some of the Lakers
losses recently, especially against teams inthe Western Conference, when I would term

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these games to be must win gamesbecause a lot of these teams are teams
that the Lakers are fighting for positionWarriors, three point shooting team, Kings,
more balanced team that the Lakers lostto They also lost to the Kings.
Again, they lost to the Warriorsas well, and so it's like
when you look at it, andthey've also lost to the Nuggets, right,

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so when you look at it,the Lakers aren't good at being able
to beat these teams that have thosestrengths in terms of three point shooting or
if a team is just as goodat them as scoring the paint, but
then also it is better at themon the perimeter defensive lease. So that
was a lot of the reasons whyI felt like they were not a championship
contender. But I also want toget like, why do you think maybe

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or if you think they are acontender? What what? What are your
thoughts about that? So your lasttwo losses, right, the Warriors hid
fourteen three, the King's hit scorchingnineteen threes. Uh, Laker stock y,
I see a lot of words justthe Lakers. Yeah, no,

(01:05:35):
but the so every since the comingout of All Star breaks, the last
I really just had it hold onlast that loves it, I think the
Uh. Anyway, I remember theLakers are second in offensive offensive raids.

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They're like block a mile ahead atone twenty seven. But the Lakers are
at one nineteen, which is stillstill at lead. But the problem is
there are twenty ninth and that becauseof rating. So it's like you're like,
man, just giving it right downhere. Yeah there's twenty ninth.
Oh sorry, no they're not.They're twenty eighth and deep. It's rating,

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so you're just giving it up.Like if like the obvious is great,
obvious is the elite just can't stopus old? Yeah, I mean,
you know, the King's game waskind of like the Lakers like game
in a season right there, youscore one twenty, but the laite mon

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comes off the bench and gives youtwenty six, and danon Fox give you
forty four, and you blow anineteen first quarter lead. Yeah, and
giving up night, you know almostyou give up nineteen, you give up
Oh no, yet give up twelvethree? Man, they just hit forty
percent of them as all, andyou could stop this sole in the pain
and and there's the game or gamewas it? Was it? The words?

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Yeah, the Warors game where AntonyDavis w went out that was a
layup line and putting a nice place. Yeah, it was real. That
was ugly sixty eight. It's likelike yeah, like unless you're playing unless

(01:07:30):
you're playing Anty Davis forty eight minutes, like you you gotta do something to
stop slow down somebody and that AndI think that's the that's where I think
the problem with the lack of flexibilityon your lineup. Like I think the
Lakers, when they have everybody,they can I said this, I think
they can be any team in theleague. They did. They beat right

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before right when they lost those games, they beat Minnesota Thunder. No,
no, they beat they seat Minnesotaand they beat the Bucks right before that.
Yeah, yeah, and they beatthe Thunder. So it's like on
any given night, the Lakers.Look, if we're the Lakers are playing

(01:08:15):
in the March Madness Tournament, they'dbe a scary face face off, right,
don't want to see them, youwould not want to touch them.
But the problem is is just thatup and down topsy turviness of how that
team operates. You don't know whatversion of the Lakers you're gonna get,
and you don't know depending on whatbecause and it's and it's it's interesting because

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you when when we have talked aboutin the last last season, when we
talked about what the Lakers shortcomings werein the playoffs. A lot of people
the immediate thing you went to pointto was d' angel Russell didn't show up.
But he's playing so well right now. Yeah, and on paper,

(01:08:57):
Lakers have everything you would want tosee them. Yeah, it's just but
and I guess here's my question foryou as well. Is there any way
to fix it? Is there?Is there? Do you see that we're
in game? Hold on what gameare we at? At this point?
We are at game? Lakers arethirty seven and thirty two, so we're

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sixty seven games in. Yeah,I would say, bro, you're you're
throwing numbers of it. I can'tmagically like written up on before me.
Yeah, six sixty nine sorry,sixty nine, sixty nine, yeah,
yeah, sixty Yeah. Like game, it's like, come on, what
do you? What do you isdark and randomly gonna like change up everything

(01:09:42):
and start like impling your schedule,like plans to to change the defensive completely
or something like that. Come on, let's be real here. This team
is what it is. The onlything, the only stating race I can
fix this team is that a youhave you do have Lebron James and do
have Anthony Anthony Davis going into thegoing into the playoffs, we all know

(01:10:05):
Lebrons go to turn off when itcomes to playoffs time and Anthony and Anthony
Davis is still one of the leaguedefensive ankers in the league. Are those
two enough two carry a team inthe playoffs? I irresponsible? Outside of

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the Nuggets, what team do youthink is like they Lakers can't play?
They can't play. Here's a problemwith the West. They're almost the same
tier to me, and they're allpretty like if okay, see, okay,
see Scarcey, because they are they'rephenomenal three point shooting teams, which

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is what you just mentioned, thebane of the Lakers existence, but they're
also super unful. It's like youcan take advantage of that. Yeah,
I can see okay see abusing theLakers on their perimeter like they can't and
that that's the thing. It's likethe Lake the Thunder, all right.
If there was teams, I wouldbe like, if I can avoid these
teams, I would Thunderpelicans, Kingswould probably be the teams. The Kings

(01:11:19):
I'm not having sprissed because the Laker. I don't know what the heck happens
to Anthony Davis when he plays Europeancenters, that boy loses it. But
that and also just like bearing boxes, like what last six games he's having
like thirty plus on like Dame yearfifty per on. You guys like yeah,
nuts, Yeah, It's like it'slike you're like you just don't want
just don't want that. Pelicans.I really think the Pelicans are a dark

(01:11:42):
Corse team. I don't think they'rea finals team or anything like that,
but I think their Western Conference.Okay, why that's interesting? I haven't
as much as like the Pelicans areplaying better this year, right, and
Zion's been able to be healthy andbe present. Not even this year.
It's like they just recently after alsoa break, they've been just on fire.
But okay, so what what makesyou from a from a totality standpoint,

(01:12:04):
I think that you would want themover I'm trying to like make a
pick because naturally most people just gowith what they know, right, people
know Harley. I'm trying to painta picture here for the for the natural
public, like draw a person tounderstand why you would pick the Pelicans over
the Lakers if they don't watch thePelicans at all, Pelicans are a deep

(01:12:27):
team, and when it's on theplayoff time, it's like you show in
the rotation up, but it's likewhen your rotation is like still really good,
you don't have to worry about thatfall off happening, or like one
Zion goes to the bench, oronce Bi goes to the bench, or
once Column comes to the bench,and it's like they also have enough shooters
on the court, like Herb turninghimself into a shooter while also being like
the defensive banker for the team,despite the fact that the win player is

(01:12:49):
the saying Troy Daniels is a knockdownshooter. Mc collum's a knockdown shooter.
Bi is a good shooter who butwho's an elite mid range shooter. And
it's like you still have Zion liketurned himself into a three point shooter all
the like, so it's like youhave you have enough shooting. You have
an interior force who can just wreckyour reck of paint whenever he wants to.

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Bi is a great second option andwe've seen him he's cooking the playoffs
before. And you have McCollum,who's a ball handling third options. It's
like there's a lot, and allthree of your guys, all three of
your main guys, are all willingand good playmakers. They don't average the
crazy assist or anything like that,but they all have no problem making that
extra pass. I don't playing playmakingis the best of his career record,

(01:13:32):
but like all around, just playingthe best of his career basically. But
it's like it's making is but it'slike opening up that too, where it's
like he's getting into the paint.They're having the classes. He's just wrecking
everything in there. He's kicking outthe guys. It's like, so when
you have a guy who's going towho can go at Anthony Davis and it's
like you're probably you're you're having ahard time defending the three. You have

(01:13:54):
a guy that's going to colapse yourdefense as bad as as he is,
and you have multiple shootings. Right, it's the same thing. Okay,
see they're just they're just not asgood as okayc Yeah, no, I
get that. It's like, yeah, it's like their three point shooting is
not their three points shooting, andthey don't have the defensive guys like they
don't have they don't have a doorand a check on the perimeter, you

(01:14:16):
know or s yeah, you don'thave those guys on a perimeter for for
the Pelicans, but it's like theystill have they have good they have good
long defenders. They have a maina main point guy who's going to who's
going to attack you on your mainyour best offensive player on defense, and
they still like and they they haveto like sturdy guys. They're not gonna
again, they're not gonna you know, fly all over the place like the

(01:14:40):
chet or anything like that, orhave that crazy length. But they have
enough defensive chops on them they candefend them well so that I don't think
you want to mess with them.I think you. I think you can
mess with the Clippers, especially Idon't I said all year, I don't
think the Clippers as that stretch,Like they went on that stretch and people
were ready to crown and I didn'tbuy it. I didn't not buy him

(01:15:01):
as the slightest. But why becausehere's the thing, though, because I
think there is a point there thatstretch and looked like that was the vision
of the Clippers with like what theClippers were supposed to be all along.
But what what why did you thinkit was fluke, Because it's not.
They're not going to maintain that theentire season. And first of all,
first of all, you have toyou have to convince me you're going to

(01:15:21):
have a healthy game party, ahealthy Paul George, a healthy Kawhi Leonard
all season long and all postseason long. First of all, I ain't buying
that, Listen. I I followedPaul Gero George his whole career, and
I know he is one of themost inconsistent guys in the league in terms

(01:15:45):
of when you you're talking about astar slash superstar level, he is one
of the most inconsistent guys. Leavesnot sound or anything like that. It's
just it's just he's just been kindof like a guy who, when he's
hot, man looks like a toptop seven to ten player in the league.
So you know, no, Idon't. And then it's like,

(01:16:08):
you mean, also, I alsohave to rely on James Harden in the
playoffs. Like again, I's alot of things I have to I have
to rely on that. I'm like, I don't know if I'm willing to
make that jump. So yeah,it's cool they play it together for fifteen
twenty games. I'm selling short.It's like twenty nine years. But I

(01:16:30):
don't know. I just didn't.It's like he was gonna come back down.
So here. Here's the thing though. On that Lebron podcast, something
that he said that was interesting wasbasketball IQ. Right. They talked about
that and they talked about how sometimespeople term it as different things, right,
whether it be experience having been inthe playoffs multiple years, having experience

(01:16:54):
to be able to know how theplayoffs go, how to manufacture things,
how to navigate things. A lotof young teams in the playoffs right now
as of as of this moment.The veteran teams and the Lakers, the
Warriors are not. They're in playingstanding right now. All the young teams,
Kings, the Timberwolves, they madethe first like what postseason last year

(01:17:16):
in the last how many years?Okay, sure we're talking about just playoff
experience. Yeah, okay. Thenyou have the Thunder Minnesota. So it's
a lot of young I'd probably saylike half of the Western Conference at least
one through eight right now is youngteams. You wouldn't trust the Clippers in
that environment to be able to beatat least two of those teams, depending

(01:17:36):
on how the seating bore out.Hold on, I just hold on now,
I can tell you right now,right now, okay, go ahead,
right now, right now. Sothey either play the Pelicans, are
the Kings right now, right now? Probably the Pelicans are three they are
two games ahead. So it's like, and I don't well, I don't

(01:18:00):
think they want to play the MagicI mean the Maverick. I don't think
they want to play the Mavericks inthe slightest actually, no, not even
that anywhere from the King's Mavericks Sons. He Look's Kings. Mavericks Sons are
all right there if you if youtold me, I don't think they want
to see the Mavericks. The Sonsare not good. Yeah about it.

(01:18:29):
I'm about to say, I thinkthey're perfectly equipped to play the Suns.
I don't like any of these teams. Yeah, Like I look at these
teams. I just don't like them, like real, it comes down to,
yeah, I think the Sons theSons are very are very top heavy,
and I think you want to playthem. With being that, Bradley
Beal is a part time player andKevin Durant is almost thirty nine and he's

(01:18:59):
actually terrible the last couple of games, and you you know for a fact
that he hasn't been phenomenal his lasthe's kind of slowing down. Yeah,
yeah, he has, you know, and being that he's like I said,
he's almost thirty eight right now,thret five. Don't know why thirty

(01:19:20):
seven, he's thirty five, Andit's like, you know, we kind
of get spoiled w to Lebron aboutthat. Yeah, I'm gonna say like,
hey, I am you kind ofget spoiled bating Lebron, you know,
do what he's doing at his age. But it's like, yeah,
these guys don't play chickens anymore.Like he played a lot of seasons.

(01:19:43):
He's had a heavy load the entireof season. It's like, you know,
it's not that surprising if you startslowing down and if this is like
he might be get slump, Butit went not shocked me either. He's
just slowing down so well. Ithink that's why he went to He wanted
to come to the Suns because Ithink he wanted to line up with obviously
an organization or a team that couldget a lot of young that destination spot

(01:20:09):
bring in young talent, have aguy that he I mean, yeah,
I mean ideally you look at DevinBooker, you say, okay, we
have Devin Booker, we have BradleyBeal. But the problem is Bradley Beal
has been hurt for half the season. And so now you had this heavy
load put on you from Kevin Durantand Devin Booker, and now it's like,

(01:20:30):
okay, you know you still gottayou still gotta go to finishing twenty
You got finished twenty games out wellreal quick. Actually, you know,
let me just tie this into ournext topic, because the next topic actually
was was about if we even seeany competition in the West for the Nuggets
at all. Yeah, and Ithink I think your kitchen or was either

(01:20:54):
Jamal come on, man, comeon, I can't see hear and say
I can't sit here it in onebreast and say, man, I don't
like any of these teams and thenturn around and be like, yeah,
I think some people geez well,I think it was like since the All
Star break, yo Kic or Murray, one of the two. I'm hevery
one of them two said it.I think Jamal Murray said Yo Kicic since

(01:21:15):
the All star Breaker was like,Okay, now let's turn it on,
guys, like, let's get intothe mode. And literally since they've turned
it on, they've been there's somany games there. They can be down
by eighteen, they'll come back.And I'm just like I saw it.
We saw it coming. Bro.We were talking about that game, and
we were we were talking about it'sabout the Mavericks game, right, yeah,

(01:21:35):
yeah, absolutely, and yeah,yeah, the Ladies of the average
game. They were down twenty oreighteen twenty with like like six minutes ago,
and next thing you know, it'sa tie game with with like under
a minute ago, and it's like, what happened? And it's just like

(01:22:00):
they just went to the they justwent to the Murray Murray yokis to get
him two big games. And thissays, you can do about it,
and we're gonna spam this until youuntil you stop it, which you're not.
And then you know, we wehave to make a mistake for us
to lose. Jamal Murray goes waytoo early and leave too much founding on
o'clock and they lose. But it'slike they have to make the mistake.

(01:22:24):
They have to you don't outplay themthey they make, they trip themselves up,
and then you win off of miraculoushook shot from almost like flighting insight
of three point line. You don'tthat last the shot you're gonna take to
win the game. We're fine withthat. You go do that again.
Yeah, I mean that. Weyou have a game where Yo kids and

(01:22:45):
Murray shoot thirteen to thirty six,right and going to the fourth court they
were they were way worse than that. Yeah, and they lose off of
that. It's like we were talkingbecause one of one of the people in
the who Scheford mass Fans, andI'm thinking, like, this is not
the game you want to use toshow that this is the Maps are a
good team back and contested with anhard to beat. This is not the

(01:23:08):
game. You go it almost twentypoint the fourth quarter and you don't walk
away through that game being like,yeah, I'll pretty good about that game.
If anything, it made me moreworried. Yeah, it's like,
you guys got shut down. Thiswas this was a game you should have
just ran away with. Yeah.The MAVs started missing shots all over the

(01:23:32):
place. It was nuts, itdid so but they like looking at it.
The Warriors of the Ways of Gow. The Lakers can't stop a soul.
The Suns just I don't have Theydon't don't their top their best players,
not better than your kids, andI I don't think their team is

(01:23:54):
just better overall. Let's just bereal. The Mavericks have have a serious
defensive issue, and uh, Kyriehas questions. I have questions about Crie
in the playoffs. The Kings toGreen Pelicans, I just they don't have
anything to stop you because evenlow down, because they just don't have enough.

(01:24:15):
The Clippers, if you give meanybody healthy, everybody playing at their best,
probably the best, the best youknow team here, Timberwolves, I
don't I think they're gonna. Ido not think they're that good. I
think there are a good, reallygood regular season team that's not gonna that's

(01:24:36):
gonna look okay in the playoffs.And the Thunder probably little too Green the
Thunder okay. The thing I'll sayabout the Thunder is is when you have
guys who they have like, likea certain amount of guy should recorded simply
three. If if you get aseries but they're just hot, you can

(01:24:57):
roll that series. And that's aboutthe best thing I could say. That's
the interesting thing to me because Ithink I agree with you and the Clippers,
I think the Clippers, if healthyall around, have the best chance
if they're healthy. You put ifon the prof and the Clippers, yes,
that they have the best year thefinals. But here's the thing that's

(01:25:20):
interesting to me. I've never forgotabout that first round of last year between
the Nuggets and the Timberwolves because Ialways felt like the Timberwolves gave them the
most competitive Like the Lakers series wascompetitive, but they got swept, right,
it was weird. It was aweird kind of competitive it was,

(01:25:40):
But the Timberwolves were the next teamthat I felt like, like Bruce Brown
was never going to openly say theLakers series was competitive because him and Jim
Joel Russell have a beef, right, Yeah, yeah, sure, But
the very next series that, Imean, the series that he outlined was
the one that they felt like wasthe actual the style of play the Timberwolves
play and the talent at the positionsthat they have. They're a big team

(01:26:01):
that can stay with a small team, or rather they're a big team that
can force small teams to have toplay big. Yeah, And I think
it's a it's a type of playyou don't or a type of team that
really only the Nuggets have right now. You don't really see that outside of
maybe Philly, but you feel rightnow with Philly either right now because Joel

(01:26:25):
and Be's hurt. But I thinkthat's the thing, and I think it
depends on how good that that wing, the wing play is gonna be.
And because I think the wing playslike Anthony Edwards has to be if the
Timbers are gonna have a chance,he has to be able to go not
both, he has to be ableto for one eclipse Jamal Murray obviously,

(01:26:47):
he has to play like Devin DevinBooker plays last like Glass in the playoffs
last year. Oh that's that's That'sthat's insane, bro, That's that.
That's what I mean. Listen,he played like that and they still lost.
It's like, that's that's the kindof level you have to play at.

(01:27:10):
You as good as jo as goodas Joki is right now right hold
on, as good as he hasbeen this all season. And we're talking
like legally in PR he's asking whattwenty six twelve nine blah blah blah blahlahlah
all the bands Mad Metrics say he'splaying insane. In the playoffs last year,

(01:27:32):
you remember this guy put up hewas averaging twenty he was averaging twenty
thirty fourteen and seven on on fiftyeight percent suiting. That's how good you're
the player. The best player onthe other team is gonna play well.

(01:27:55):
Guess. I guess that's why Imore so say as a tandem, like
they need cat back. They haveto have cat back. Obviously they're even
going to stand a chance. ButI think the tandem, if he without
cars, they have no shot.Yeah, but if he performs at least,
I'm not gonna say Devin because DevinBooker was shooting like he was hitting

(01:28:18):
unreal shots, like it wasn't evenDevin Booker. That Devin Booker was the
greatest player I've ever seen in mylife. Yeah, that was insane,
Like I've never seen somebody hitting shotslike that like that in terms of in
terms of scoring, I have neverin my life anything like that. That.
That's what m J fans see whenthey believe Michael Jordan's like the ones
that nobody can everybody else can neverbe the goat. That's what Michael Jordan

(01:28:40):
fans see when they like that's whatthey think. Michael was. Let me
pull let me pull up what hedid last I was no Devin Book Canadian.
I was like, ain't no wayever, bro, not even he
sat SI. Yeah, it wasinsane. I mean it was. It

(01:29:01):
was truly unreal. Thirty thirty sevenpoints a game, five rebounds, six
dimes, forty six percent from deep. That was insane. Bro. That
ever probably dumb that Bro. Thatwasn't even against the nut that was the

(01:29:23):
Clipper series. Bro. It's likehe still put a thirtieth game on fifty
seven still against still Birds, thechampions team that won the championships, who
gave him thirty one on fifty andfifty seven, and you know, and
those numbers are down because he bustedhis ankle. Yeah I forgot about that.
Yeah, it's like those are thoseare bad number? Those are numbers?

(01:29:45):
Are are are like two games Ithink he had he was playing on
a bump ankle, And it's like, you like, that's the level you
have to play at. But Ithink it depends on how how much help
you're getting from the others though,And I think the Timberwolves would have better
other support, do you now?But I also think that Timberwolves are better,

(01:30:05):
would be better at making what Kisdoes harder offensively, right. I
think that's where I'm maybe my differentiation. I think that Sun series was like
a blow for a blow type ofseries. It is different than what that
was A that was a listen,we can't we can't stop each other,

(01:30:27):
so we're just gonna have to whoeverWe're just have that for each other.
Yea, literally, But my problemis gonna come. This is what always
my problem is with these type ofteams is the you know what's saying it
great office beat gray defense. Theproblem is that the Miniso Timbles do not
have great offers. So it's like, Okay, cool, you're going you're
you're going to get stops on onthe Nuggets. Sure they're gonna they're going

(01:30:50):
to go on a run, andyou're not gonna give an answer because your
office is not as dynamic, andyou think, yeah, I mean,
I mean obviously we both think theNuggets are the best team. So I
guess I'm just trying to rationalize away that the Tembowles are and even even
even saying you're like they have theirthey're equipped their offensively that they hand like

(01:31:12):
they're better equipped to handle it.It's like going down there, going down
their lineup, like looking looking attheir offense, like whoo, who are
you? Who are you referencing bythe way, like no, like no,
I'm not even trying to like I'mnot even trying to like refunny or
anything like that. It's just like, Okay, Carlos Towns, it's Hardley
Towns better than Kevin Durant. No, what I mean is that, Like

(01:31:38):
I guess it's just way more balancedbecause Kevin Durant didn't have like a great
series against him either. I don'tbelieve no he did. He did not
have. Actually, what it's like, they're more balanced. But the thing
is their balance is on defense.That's the problem. But maybe that's what
it takes to be what what offensiveteam has come close to? What defensive

(01:32:01):
team is so close to? Well, I guess what would you have considered
Miami last year? Well, Miami, I guess it wasn't really close,
but they weren't. But hold on, But I would say Miami didn't have
like Miami was so far in likethere was a talent gap there, Like
we came into that series knowing theoutcome. I'll fall on the sword and

(01:32:26):
say it. Miami was lastly outclassedin that series, and it should have
been bost in the finals, becausethat has been way more appealing than watching
Miami just get get bent over.And they still I still won one from
them because they were able to defendthem. They did, they won one
game. So I mean, ifyou if you have defense and the game
is close, and you have thetalent to go and win a game,

(01:32:47):
that's what I That's where I thinkthe difference comes in, because I'm like,
do you have the talent to go, like, do you have a
guy to go and win you agame? Which the Suns did. They
had Devin Booker and Kevin Durrant togo and win a game, which they
did. Those were all fifty allright. But here's the thing I'm saying,
if you can stop them, ifthen if you can stop them and
the game is in the is inreach, oh, you have just go

(01:33:10):
get a guy to go win agame for you. Man. Listen,
we know how dangerous that thinking is. It is dangerous. Let me tell
you, bro we I'm not puttingmoney on there, but it's dangerous.
I texted you actually game one ofthe Lakers City. Right. It was
like, man, listen, y'allplayed that bad and y'all still only lost
by this month. Hey, you'reright there, say a little bit better,

(01:33:32):
you know, good seasons in theseries. And I texted you that
three other thousand and I realized,oh, it is over. We got
swept. I was like, damn, we're right there. Like, man,
we got in the same hey,bro, that's why the Lakers brought

(01:33:53):
back the same team. They feltlike they were still right there. Bro,
They're like, we just got toget back there. And then we
realized, oh, every can't feelslike that. That make you feel they
feel like you feel like every gameyou're like, oh man, man,
we could beat the team. Bro, we can beat this team, and
you just never do. Yeah.Yeah. So it's like it's like,

(01:34:15):
yeah, cool, you know theywon the game, but it's like,
man, do you really want tolike take that much, like too much
away from winning that one game?Yeah, I feel that I'm looking looking
for cat playoffs that like, that'snot he was bad last year in the
playoffs, not for god, Butokay. So that's the other thing too,

(01:34:41):
is I didn't want to say anythingwithout looking it up first. It's
like, can't have can't ask questionsabout in the playoffs. Yeah, he's
not, Like he's not the guyyou up every time. I Yeah.
So it's like it's like you're you'rereally like your offense is really kind of
depended on like Ah Edwards just goingoff and dominating, as well as your

(01:35:06):
defense, like stopping the Nuggets.Yeah, and it's like that's a I
mean, those are two very bigasks, like to happen at the exact
same time. Yeah, no,I agree. So the Nuggets have no
competition essentially, they have like ifthings if like the Clippers are the only

(01:35:27):
hope Clippers listen, the Clippers are. I am very curious to how the
Thunders performing the playoffs. Yeah,I'm curious too. I think they have
a really well rounded, talented team. I think there are teams. I
think the problem is kind of howwe allude to there's a lot of young

(01:35:50):
teams in the playoffs. Yeah,and it's like we don't know what.
We don't know how the even goingto play in the playoff. You don't
know how the Thunder is going toplay in the playoffs. You don't know
how look Kingsland, Well, wedon't have a canadup playing the playoffs.
I mean they were there last year, so it's like they took they took
the words of seven. No lastyear with last year it was last year.
No, the Kings didn't. TheKings took the Lakers to six.

(01:36:14):
Believe no, no, no,no, oh no, you're right,
you're right, right, So thenyou got to Memphis got yeah, yeah,
yeah, Memphis didn't play Golden State. You're right. Yeah, So
yeah, they took they took theworst seven and they had to drop fifty
on the roads to win. Yeah. It's like, so you're built on
that. Belie monk Is is nowyour ego six man of your candidate potentially
winner. Trying to think who elseyou have. There's a lot going on

(01:36:40):
there, but the bonus has improved, uh, boxes improved. There's stuff
going on there. Again. Anotheranother team that if they can get hot,
they can you know, who knowswhat they can do. I don't
think they can be the Nuggets,but it's like, you know, they
can cause chaos. The Mavericks.I that said before, I'm Mavericks.

(01:37:02):
But again, when you have oneof the best players in the league,
who knows anything can happen. Itried to have that level of thinking because
I try to have that level ofthinking back and even Lebron's you know,
solo era. I guess you couldsay, yeah, I think there's too
much talent now kind of I thinkthere's too much talents. And I don't

(01:37:25):
think the Mavericks are just like thatgood. It's like if Kyrie like,
okay, if Kyrie comes out andjust like absolutely flame throwers in the playoffs,
there's still garbage depens of the game, but you have to the best
players in the series. So whoknows. If there was a guy who

(01:37:47):
could go to to SO with Luke, with with Jokic, it is it
is It is Luca. Yeah,if there is a guy who could go
to SO with Jamal Murray, itis Kyrie. Uh. The problem is
the rest of the team is notIf it was a two on two tournament,
it would be the most interesting twoon two tournament of all time.

(01:38:08):
Let me tell you. It's like, but the rest of the team isn't
that good. And I mean youhave to rely on Tim Martiway Junior to
hit shots. You get to relyon Dante ExHAM the hit shots. You
have to rely on PJ. Washingtonto hit shots and these are guys who
are not like established there you go, thank you, so if you're asking

(01:38:34):
for quite a bit and so yeah, I just I just don't Again,
I I'm intended of no, butwith a let me see how these young
teams plays. I genuine the Thundergenuinely interesting. No. I think that
Thunder are probably the most bottom talentand despite the fact everything about the Streams

(01:38:59):
regular season team, I'm genuinely curiousto see without I think how they play
the game makes them interesting. Ido see their faults though, like when
the Thunder or have a slowdown inoffense, or they have they're not hitting
their shots, or when you ifyou can take check or shy out of
the game. I guess there's timesthat our offense can become very stagnant.

(01:39:21):
But they have a lot of talentthere. Yeah, and lord knows people
are Their game plan is gonna beleave Josh Giddy open. That is going
to be the game plan for idiotis because I don't thin you're right now
getting get a harsh reduction in oneplayoff time comes. Yeah, I feel
like that definitely, because he justhe just left open. So he's like

(01:39:41):
a black hole at times with acomplete negative and like the last he's not
a lot going on the season,he has a lot going on the seat,
Like I get it, Like it'skind of like a hard digression,
but it's kind of like when you'rethat young and you have like kind of
like that kind of stuff surrounding you. No, for real, it does.

(01:40:03):
Okay, let's move from the Westto talk about the East. So
the Bucks recently have been winning acouple of games here and there, and
they even last night they lost tothe to the Celtics without joannest but they
made it competitive. They were downby double digits for a good amount of
time. He made it competitive.So from how they've been performing lately,

(01:40:23):
they just got Chris Middleton back.He was gone for weeks, and I
think that's something people forgot. Oddlyenough, even when Doc Rivers first took
the job, people didn't. Ithink people were just like so focused Damon
Yiannis, and people entirely just forgotthe fact that Chris Middleton has been hurt
all this time, and now thathe's back, you're seeing more of what
this team can do and how likehow it's going to come together and whatnot,

(01:40:45):
and they've been able to stringer togethera good amount of wins and whatnot.
And so do you think are youcomfortable enough of how you've seen the
nugget or sorry, the Bucks performingrecently, especially now knowing that there's another
level they can hit when all theirguys are healthy, when Johannis, Chris,
Milton and Damien are there, doyou think that that level can put
them on a level with the Celtics. Yeah, sure, yeah, I

(01:41:11):
do listen. The biggest thing isand this is not something like I'm jumping
on the back line, you know, like I'm meming or anything like that.
You can go you can go backand listen to podcast we have.
We have a long answering podcast together. You can go find me ripping on
docs six seven years ago. Thisis some new things. I do not
listen. I don't care how goodthey play it right now, they won

(01:41:34):
the championship already, this court iswon the championship. I nothing will surprise
you. Take it back to flyMike, do you you want me to
trust doctors in the playoffs? Andmy answer is no, I'm not told
to do it. I refuse.I refuse to do it. You ain't
baiting me. I've seen this script, bro, you ain't doing it to

(01:41:57):
me. I would have been ifthe Clifton win the championship, I wouldn't
been happy. It's the same stillwin the champions I've been happy. Hen
ain't not in the finals, Iain't even dam Jamie, if they if
they had gone to the final,I would have been happy. And let
me tell you if not like goingwrong, dwell past missues, James pass,

(01:42:19):
missues, injuries have happened. Butlisten, there has been a consistent
there has been a consistent force behindthese behind these playoffs, chokes, failures,
whatever you want to call them.And that's one Doc Rivers. So

(01:42:39):
listen, if you tell me theteam, two teams of comparable talent are
going head to head, one coachedby Doc Rivers. One's not I'm taking
the other one. Sorry, damneven yes, even I don't even care
what you have to say. Yes, even you know, and like,

(01:43:00):
don't get me wrong, that's that'swhen you know. Listen, either the
coach, fine whatever, who hasthe best player in the in the Celtics
in Bucks series, in your opinions, even with the best player in the
series, fucks know I'm saying,even with the best player in the series,
you think he used to lose it. Yeah, wow, I think

(01:43:23):
So here's the here's the problem becauseI honestly, if you if you ask
me if they have one in threeR that's what I was just about to
say. They have literally the topthree or the top two players in or
sorry, top two three, thetop three. They have two of the
top three. The the problem isis like typically it's like a hard fall

(01:43:47):
off right after that. But it'slike, for Zinga is an All Star,
and then your four and five areall like your other two are all
NBA players who are actually just likereally good all around players. If is
like some thing or like you havelike you have a three and D guy
and it's like, oh, youknow, it's just out of the falling,
you know, always kind of likeuseful. It's like, so Drew

(01:44:08):
was All Star, they're quite likestill really good all around player too.
And then it's just like they thinktheir team is so complete because what they're
topping is good, like it's notlike super elite, it's it's good enough,
like Jalen like you're not sitting herelike campaign Jaylen Brown to be in

(01:44:30):
the top like twenty players. Likeeven even if you say Jalen Brown top
twenty, like you can contest that. And so so it's like but like
the other guys is just so ridiculouslygood. Yeah, that weird. I
don't know, it's a weird teambecause I typically I wouldn't like to team.
I wouldn't like a team like this. So you even when after the

(01:44:55):
Bucks that picked up Patrick Beverly,you don't you still don't feel like now,
I genuinely think like if you hadasked this question about last year about
this team, I was like,yeah, oh yeah, yeah, problem
right. This team is crazy,like just has crazy depth. Their their

(01:45:15):
depth is insane. I mean whenyou have Derek White, you have Drew
Holiday as the starter, Derek rightas the backup, it was like,
bro, what like they're like they'relike Drew, Like I can't know,
Like how big of a deal DrewHoliday being your fourth option is yes?

(01:45:35):
Nuts, And it's like and thelike in the same he's in like sixty
six percent of his like corner threeor something crazy like that. And it's
like the game is like so easyfor those guys, and it's like,
you know what Grant Williams was like, oh, you know, I got
the easiest out. Why I doto stand in the corner Andy for threes?

(01:45:58):
Yeah, but why not? Butit's like he has those guys,
but they actually like hit their shots. Yeah exactly. And so it's like
and it's like these guys and DrewHardy like he won a championship, he
was like major player on the championshipteam. Yeah he was. You know,
Jason, Jason and Jalen have beento the fire our Warper. They
have all been to the finals.So it's like, I don't know,

(01:46:21):
they have they have this like perfectcombination of they have enough depth. They
have like the proper, the properkind of depth first of all, and
then they also have their tope hashas been together and they've done it,
like they they've won together. Theywon the finals yet, but there's more.
There's more than winning the winning thechampionship. They've won. They've been

(01:46:42):
to multiple Eastern Conference finals. They'vebeen to the finals, like they've they've
gone through the steps. So it'slike the chemistry is there. Everything is
just there. Everything about this Bossteam stream this is it. Yeah,
just get it done. So theyjust got that other team. On the
other end, bro, just pleasego to the finals. Even they lose

(01:47:05):
in the finals, just don't losebefore the scheme. You can't, you
can't. You will hear the endof it. Just please get the for
basketball discourse, just reasons, pleaseget the finals. Well if you,
if you lose, make Johannes droppedlike sixty in the game seven. Well.

(01:47:29):
Tatum did say that Christops Perzingis wasthe pal Gasol to his Kobe.
He is he I mean like he'skind of been that this year. Yes,
I mean that's why it's like thisis the perfect setup for them to
go and they're they're so stacked atevery position. It's like, how can
you lose? But it is,but it's like you can't know the celcius.

(01:47:53):
And then they went out in supercharge the roster. I think at
some point though, and Lebron andJJ touched on this and I think,
yeah, see this is one ofthe smaller topics that we had. What
we talk The question was does JasonTatum take too much criticism? Yes,
he's only twenty five years old,And Lebron and JJ highlighted that they said

(01:48:15):
that they didn't like Lebron said thatMJ didn't win his first ring, so
he was like twenty seven. Lebronhimself didn't win his first he was like
twenty eight, twenty seven, Ithink. Yeah, And so they were
saying that Jason Tatum and all theylike. The reason why these guys feel
like we've been saying there talking aboutthem for years is because they've done a
lot of winning, but they're stillyoung guys. They are, they totally

(01:48:36):
are. And so it was Ican't I cannot scream how much I love
Jajos. I've been saying this aboutJason Tatum since the Finals happened. That's
what he played god awful in thatfinal series. But if you walked away
in that final season and did notsee he became a better player. I

(01:48:58):
said, it was a whole notherlevel before and after that final one was
a whole another level. He hewas the main he was the main playmaker,
the main offense of initiator, dothat run, and that's and I
said, that's probably the Rea line. He was so bad at finishing in
the finals because he was so tired, because he wasn't used to that role.

(01:49:20):
Yeah, and so he took thatrole on. He got tired and
burned out, but he became abetter player for it. Yeah, and
and so it's like cool, nowyou you are that guy. You like
Jason Tangle as Jade. I'm hugeon just Thick. I think he's a
great player. I think he hasall the tools. He just has got

(01:49:41):
a whole shop ulation. But likeeverything else about him, like he's unselfish.
He can he's a great shooter,play his defense, lost in on
defense, gets the full effort onoffen dave defense, test leans, can
score from all over the court,can score without the ball, can post
up, can do everything, cando everything because needs to gather end dates.

(01:50:04):
Listen how times he had a playerwho just puts it together in a
playoff run and that's the second partof their career. That's there, that's
their jump from like man, they'rereally good to their elite. No,
yeah, entirely, this is thisis the perfect time for this is this
is it like you won't probably nothave a better team than you. He

(01:50:26):
has to. But here's the thinghe has to. One of two things
can happen here. If he breaksthrough and wins, this could be the
start of him and the Yokics run. Right, the going back and forth,
right, But if he loses,I I don't know, man,
if he loses, it could justbe the prepet because at this point,
yeah, for one, I don'tknow how many of these guys are going

(01:50:48):
to be free agents after this season, but the odds of being able to
retain everybody and keeping the same talent, the team might not even want to
do that if you still lose,right, because it's like, damn,
how much better of a team canI build? And if they lose this,
I just do you do? Youjust sit there and be like we're

(01:51:12):
just in the middle of someone's Jordanrun No, you run it back.
He's still good, Drew Is.I mean, everybody, all your all
your important people are here until nextyear. But I think part of why
we surmise this team to be sogood is because of their depth. I
mean, yeah, I mean theyare top, they're top. They're top

(01:51:33):
loaded too, but no, obait, all these pieces are still here
until until twenty five, twenty six, So they essentially have a two year.
Yeah, they have this year,and they have they have this year,
they have this year. Yeah,they have to wait. They have
Brown Holiday, well holiday have theplayer option this year. But I don't
know. I don't know if he'sdon't have forty million dollars. Holliday,

(01:51:56):
Yeah, this off either, soI imagine he he opts in. Tatum
designs this. Christafson signed, DerekWhite signed. These guys are all signed
until twenty five twenty six, andthen twenty five twenty six. Drew is
a complete free agent. Tatum hasa player option. Derek Fight is gone,

(01:52:16):
al Horford is gone, Alt retired, Like, so, I mean
no, I mean broke. He'solder player. He looks three five already.
No, he's an older player.Not see it. I definitely think
this is their window. Man.They have to they have to find a
way. As much as being aLaker fan, I don't want them to

(01:52:38):
win. I'm just like, dude, hey, they have you have you
have? This is this is prettymuch your ideal year. Yeah, it's
like getting it done. Just justget get yourself gives get there. But
here's my wordy man. Have youyou seen them play the Nuggets? You've

(01:52:58):
seen them play the other teams,Like when they were on that run at
home, they did not lose athome since like last year March or something,
Nuggets came to town dead in it. What they played the Nuggets.
They played some of the better teamsin the West losing. And I'm like,

(01:53:20):
I'll say this because about every teameverything that plays the Nuggets them,
well, they lost by they lostby six, and it was like they
lost by sixes like the very newgame. It wasn't like they were down
fifteen to make the score of prettyand then they lost by two, you

(01:53:42):
know, and that was the homegame. They lost that hoe by two
and you know again held the Nuggetsto one hundred and to that game.
It's like they played Nuggets. Well, yes, you know, they always
find a way man saying they playedhim. Well, can they close can
they when it gets the playoffs on? Can they close that gap? Can

(01:54:05):
they can they put together four gameswhere they can be the Nuggets? I
don't know, probably not. Isthis truly just the Nuggets world and we're
all living in it? I thinkfor like the next year, Yeah,
I think, I think right.I think they have picked these the perfect
the sweet spot of like the oldteams in the West are really old,

(01:54:29):
and the young teams in the West, and and the young teams are still
like not at their Like you havethose Thunders who are just so young,
Pelicans who aren't peaking yet. TheMavericks don't have I don't know whatever they're
around Luca who knows, but maybethey'll put something together around who knows.
The Kings are kind of like stilltiny, young but not really but need

(01:54:51):
more playoff experience. It's like theyhave this perfect they have this perfect opening
where the elite talents of the WestHabits aren't peaked yet, and it's like
our task and we're gonna dominate whilehe is. I do you who who

(01:55:13):
up next in the West? Doyou think would be the person that would
essentially what is it, Luke?Because everybody always seems to say Lucas Luca.
Luca's issue is is not Luca.Lucas issue is the team. I'm
sorry, you cannot you can't haveyour Like, who's the Nugget Sports best
player? KCP? Nah, fourthbest player? Might be Michael Porter Jr.

(01:55:40):
Or Aaron Gordon, depending on whatwho you ask. I mean,
but that's what I think. It'slike, like, Bro, you could
there three through five are so good? Right, Yeah, It's like it
could be KCP. It could beMichael Porter Jr. It could be Aaron
Gordon, the Mavericks Tim to beJunior. Yeah, it's like or Orstic

(01:56:05):
Lively slash James Gas. But theywill both rely on lupidicuts of the ball.
Yeah, entirely, you know.So it's like you're the team though
league is just you're just talking aboutto two different worlds of teams, right,
Yeah, So it's like Lucas fromis not gonna be here the Pelicans

(01:56:26):
again if Zion Zion is just amissed me too much time as he's not
like he hasn't been able to beon the court develop like like a normal
player would the thing. It's likeat the same time, it's like he's
he's only I don't know, twentyfour ball park somewhere. I mean,
imagine twenty four, twenty twenty four. Yeah, but he's twenty three years

(01:56:48):
old, Like he's just not he'snot you know, players ain't a at
least at twenty three years old.Yet you know, you're still figuring stuff
out. Riz's and then obviously weforget about the prison, you know,
just you know, everybody just everybodyjust being in the hospital. You know,

(01:57:11):
we forget about them. So it'snot like you like a team that
could contend with compete with them.Is is out completely Suns team building issue
Timberwolves. Uh yeah, I getI get I get it. I mean
at this point, yeah, it'sjust tough. It's it's like it's a

(01:57:33):
very rare time you have a playerwho's off, who's like the best player
in the league, but also notjust not just have a good team,
has the like perfect team put aroundthem. You could not find a better
but Aaron Gordon was a good player, like a really good player, and
it's like he was the perfect guyto put next. I mean, this

(01:57:58):
team is almost like like your kitschis essentially like the Spartans from Halo,
and then your kisch is a Spartan, and then the Majullionaire armor is like
the pretty much you just went intolike the one like first of all the
well, I guess you could sayit's like Captain America and his shield kitchs

(01:58:21):
cap. The team is the shield. It's a perfect fitting. Or if
you want to say, like T'Challaand then his black panther suit, he's
the red Ranger to everybody, andeverybody else is the other Rangers around there.
I did go with one of likethe most niche. I think it's
because I knew of Halo dropped today. So that's why I know it,

(01:58:43):
because we we talked about it.You know, I played the game.
No one person ain't gonna know there'ssomething like, oh that's scify, So
that's weird. People play the games. People play game. But it's just
yeah, it's just like there's nodifferent guys. Look, right is twenty

(01:59:08):
eight twenty nine? He does,But typically guys just don't have you don't
have the perfect team put around you, like but not just like for a
year or two, like, butthis team set up for a good run,
like this is like this is astretch. It was like even even
after that, right, you lookthe guys like Christian Brown, You're the

(01:59:30):
guys like Peyton after his name minshe got bits skilled because he miss don
his name. But it's like eventheir young guys fit a mold. And
you see that, like when whenBruce Brown left, right, it was
like all right, cool peg Yeah, literally literally you're like, okay,

(01:59:53):
cool, Bruce Brown left. Youknow, big Pete like he was huge
in their runs. He's gone,all right, Peyton, Christian you're getting
more minutes, Peyton Watson, you'regetting minutes, you're gonna you're gonna you're
gonna step up and you're gonna,you know, play more minutes now,
and you're gonna develop because one Casey'sgonna guess what, Bro, you're stepping
in that spot. That's your job. Yeah. Literally, that's literally how

(02:00:14):
it's gonna go. It's it's likethey're they're they built this team for him,
that's person around English. But thenthey also when I got young guys
who are like they know, whoare going to fit in around your kids
as well. So it's like they'rethey're set up. Now will those guys
be as good? Who knows?Yeah, but they're putting themselves in position
that even if they're not as good, we still have the best player in

(02:00:36):
the league. You may not beas good, but he can get better.
He can still get better. Factsall right, Well, I think
we have enough time. Well westill we just have a couple of more
quick takes, real quick, let'sjust hit these quick takes. We already
talked about the Clippers earlier. Ithink we're really trying to surmise this topic
with them talking about the Clippers.So we were talking about that one I

(02:00:58):
one here, does Anthony Edwards justin terms of a question, Anthony Ever's
reminds you of Michael Jordan go yes, no, yes, more. I
think I said it earlier. Hereminds me more about about game gameplay wise,
No, I think he's more thruthe Lee Athletics and than jordan play.

(02:01:19):
I think Jordan's block muler m interesting. I would say he looks like
him just from like an actual likephysical look like. He looks like profile
wise fits Jordan's yatchel like. Ifeel like he is a more like brutal,
like brutle is a strong wrong worklike explodes. Jordan's played more what

(02:01:41):
I feel like. But I'm alsothinking that like Jordan has older, so
maybe that's the difference. Well,Jordan's young, or I mean Jordan was
kind of like I see some ofit, but I kind of see the
mix of that with like a tmac in a weird way. If only
asked me, I would I wouldlean more towards move I think I think
Douglas before, but I think Iwas I was mean more towards than Jordan's

(02:02:03):
oh for his his gameplay style.Yeah, yeah, I see that.
Okay, next one Draymond Green onhis podcast he started this one up.
He said on his podcast, hefeels like Kyrie Irving is as bid as
good as scorer as Kevin Durant.Do you agree or do you disagree?
I'm not. I'm not entertaining badquestions. You gotta do it for the
crowd, man, No, youknow I was. I was as a

(02:02:29):
thought. You're the Kyrie here.You tell me why. You tell me
why? Uh, Kyrie is goodas a score as VI. I'm sure
you're ready to be like, yeah, no, he's not as good as
scoring as Kevin Durant. But Ithink I get what Draymond's trying to say.
I think he's saying that in termsof an arsenal like a scoring array
of of ways to score. Hecan score in every bit of every way

(02:02:53):
that Kevin Durant can score. Idon't think he's as good at doing that
as Kevin Durant. But Kyrie canscore from anywhere with either hand. He
can play in the post, hecan he can do he can get to
any spot he wants to in thecourt, so he can score in all
these different ways as a six footguy. I think he shot fifty forty
ninety. Maybe, I know heshot it once with the nets. I

(02:03:15):
don't know if he's done it twice, but he was on PA. I
don't think you play it on games. Yeah, yeah, so I think
he's he's done it more than once. But yeah, I think one season
he was ineligible due the games play. But he's a fifty to forty ninety
guy, so he's efficient, andso I think that's what he's trying to
say. But just from a bodyof work in terms of accidence, No,

(02:03:36):
it's not even even outside of thebodywork. And you want to listen
or any kind of way you wantto put it, dreams real like whatever
alse on universe. There's no timelineuniverse whatever that Kyrie better scores Kevin ring
Okay, No, he didn't saybetter. He didn't say better. He

(02:03:58):
said it as good. He's notin the same conversation. I gotta,
I gotta, I got a randomquestion. I gotta off the offshoot question
from this what it's Carmelo Anthony,That's what I was just thinking about.
I was just about to say hedoesn't have all the accolades and stuff that
that Kevin Durant does, but hepresents many of the matchup problems that Kevin

(02:04:21):
Durant does. Is he as gooda scorer as Kevin Durant? Why did
you? No? I didn't evenasking if Cargo as good a score as
Kyrie, which I thought would bea better question. No, I didn't.
I didn't think that that question fit. I understand why Kadie made the
connection between the two and Kevin Durantand Kyrie, but I don't. I

(02:04:42):
don't think the mellow comparison was there. It's just like it's like saying,
Wow, you know, Carmelo's sistera good score and he looks so good
doing it. He has all this, he has a deep bag. He's
such a very beat score than Lebron. No cool, Like again someone would
say that, though, someone sayhe's a better scorer than them. But

(02:05:04):
see, that's the thing. Whatyou determined to be a good score he
listens probably was the best scorers wellcons It's just like the problem is the
problem is you're comparing them to aguy who just like happens to be one
of the greatest scors of all times, like in the conversation for that kind

(02:05:25):
of style, Carmes like in termsof Carmelo's like in the like the ninety
five percent of like scores of likeNBA history. The problems you're arguing about
the guys in the night, notpercentile of scores in NBA history. Same
thing with Kevin. With Kevin Kyrie, it's like Kyrie compared to like the
majority of the NBA. Y Kyrie. Probably you're taking one of the few

(02:05:45):
guys into it. It's not Kyrie, it is. I can't. It's
really not that close. Like,Man, I don't disagree, but I
understand what Draymond's trying to say,but I don't. I don't. He
said a lot of words to saying, Man, I still hate Kevin Durant.
We take it easy, bro,bro, Like I'm not gonna s

(02:06:08):
entertheam. You're hating, Bro,That's fine. I don wanna hate her.
I'm a professional hater, Bro.I know what he looks like.
All right, Like that all thatwas, Bro? You hate? Fine,
take it easy. Drama is aflat hater and hating. You know,
listen, some people some people feetoff of it. All right,

(02:06:30):
then wake up, man, I'mhating to day. All right, It's
fine. You just need doing asa society. You need to acknowledge something
like, it's just hate hate.My gosh, it's just what It's just
exactly, Bro. It's just sometimesyou wake up and you're like, man,
I don't rock with you today,so I'm gonna go hate on my

(02:06:53):
on my podcast. This is mypodcast. I do what I want,
and I would hate. That's hilarious, all right, guys, that's gonna
podcast. Oh gosh, Well,guys, appreciate you guys for tuning in
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(02:07:15):
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guys snackki Oldmeal for joining me fortoday's episode. Of course I forgot I
already forgot about that. I've gotsmooth, forgot about that, bro that

(02:08:03):
was like a whole two hours ago. We don't know that time. I'm
rebranding again, probably this guy.All right, everybody, I appreciate the
time. Y'all have a go one. Enjoy the weekend. Probably by the
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guys, Enjoy March madness. Hopefullyyour backets aren't already busted. Most
likely are, but already busted.Sheeesh, Yeah, that's that's tough.

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