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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on? Guys. Welcome to the KBR Sports Podcast,
the best sports podcast of your twenty four hour day.
Thanks for tuning into this episode of the podcast. Been
a little bit since we had the last episode of
the podcast. Honestly, i'd probably say last episode podcast episode
dates back to right before the NBA Finals, honestly, So
nice to jump back on here and be able to

(00:20):
get back on and just do the podcast. Honestly, I
took a break from it because I've I was trying
to keep up with doing I wanted to increase my
YouTube output and then also increase putting out TikTok shorts
and so on all the social media platforms, and being
the main person who runs this ship, a lot of

(00:40):
that editing and stuff falls on me as well. And
I was like, man, doing the podcast in between all
that stuff can be it gets to be a lot
of work, and so I was like, man, let me
take a mental break from it. But man, the way
I missed doing podcasts, to be honest, and I reorganized
my schedule in a way that I feel like I
can maintain doing the podcast, especially if I maintain good

(01:02):
time discipline. Sometimes you don't realize how much time in
a day you waste When you're sitting there in the
small moments, either playing a game, or you're on your
phone or something like that, just watching videos or whatever
the case might be, time just passes you by. So
I've just tried to find ways to optimize my time
a lot better now, so I believe I'll be able
to maximize my time on the podcast and all the

(01:24):
other avenues of putting out content. But happy to be
back on here. A lot has obviously happened. Celtics won
the championship. That's one big thing. At the USA won
the Olympics, another big thing in terms of the basketball
team won the Olympics. Other categories like gymnastics and stuff
they won in different categories, so that's another big thing.

(01:45):
Dodgers won the World Series. Shout out my Dodgers, another
big thing. And outside of that, I think those are
the main things that come to mind. But a lot
of things we'll be talking about during the podcast. But guys,
of course, if you're not already, make sure you go
ahead and follow me on the those other platforms like Instagram,
you can follow KBR Sports and min handle Brendan Abbin

(02:06):
as well. As YouTube, KBR Sports and then Twitter at
KBR Underscore Sports and TikTok Brendan Abbins. But I, of
course for the return episode, I had to get my
guy snack Keel Oatmeal on here so we could talk
about a good amount of these these current sports topics
that are going on. Bro, how are we feeling? It's

(02:27):
been a minute since you were on here too, since
obviously I haven't done this podcast in a bit.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I'm surprised dropped the absolute fire Dodger at it
after they won in the championship. Didn't plug her nothing,
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh yeah, I forget wait wait do my job, Brendan Nayam.
Yeah if you if y'all haven't seen it, I I
definitely made a Dodger, a Dodger like I guess celebration
video for them winning the World Series, and I put
it on the on the tikto my TikTok and my Instagram,
and I believe I've also put on Facebook and so
also follow KBR Sports on Facebook and my LinkedIn and

(03:05):
stuff as well. I think the only place I didn't
put it on was YouTube. But the most annoying part
about YouTube is that YouTube gives you time constraints when
you want to upload shorts, right, and this video that
I made for the Dodgers is about one minute and
forty seconds, but YouTube shorts will only allow you to
put them up to a minute. So I even had
the choice of loading it up as a full on

(03:25):
YouTube video which would only be like two minutes long,
or just not doing it at all. And at the
timeframe when I was doing it, I was like, okay,
I did it probably about a couple of weeks after
the Dodgers won the World Series. So I was like,
I need the YouTube short virality, Like you know how
the shorts and the reels and stuff are able to
go easierly. It's easier for them to go viral because

(03:47):
of the mechanism of how you watch them. And so
I was like, damn, I don't want to just upload
this as a regular YouTube video and just kind of
have it go lost in ether. And also I'm pretty
sure I would get a copyright strike maybe well maybe
not copyright strength, but I would get flagged for copyright
because the music sources, Kendrick Klamar is not like us.

(04:07):
And so I was just like, man, I just won't
put it on YouTube. So I uploaded it on all
my other social channels, So go ahead and check that out.
But yeah, bro, I put so much effort into that,
it's so frusht. YouTube's guidelines sometimes are so annoyed annoying.
Even the short I uploaded today about college football from
one of the short music that you can choose. It

(04:29):
was about the fights for college football. But from the
music selection they have for you from the shorts, I
use one of their pre selected music selections and I
got flaged for copyright. Like what am I supposed to do? Man?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
They never said YouTube was fair.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
You're not wrong. It feels like unless you're on a
short list of guys like mister Beasts and so on,
you're not gonna get YouTube's ear when it comes to
something happening against you your channel that is unexpected to
be honest, But I digress. How you feeling though, Bro?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
You know a little nervous. We ain't been we ain't
done this in a while. You know, I gotta get
the gotta get the shakes out of me.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, my boy, My boy feeling a little rusty. Look, man,
when when you first picked the ball back up again? Yeah?
He shot the ball in a while two shooters start shooting.
When you start shooting again, Bro comes back to you
like second nature. That's all it is. To her brother,
Your shoot right exactly. That's what I'm saying. Are you
a shooter or nah?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, I ain't right now, I leave to shoot the job.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
H.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Like that man formed.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Hey Bro, I'm just saying, I know, really you're taking
a take pop shot at that man.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bro. Team leading, uh not leading, but they up there
in the Western Conference standings.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yea, even though he's been hurt for a good portion
of it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But you know, that's all right. And sometimes it's about
it's like sires in right, It's like as long as
you got the aura, you're good.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
As long as you got the aura. This guy all right, Well,
let's talk about Let's let's jump to the first topic.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Let's get things kicked off talking about the Los Angeles Lakers, right. I. Naturally,
the Lakers end up becoming a topic or conversation throughout
much of most of the basketball season. But one of
the things I didn't even know coming in is that
for a lot of people, you guys already know this,
but obviously JJ Redick was hired at the Lakers coach,
and him and Lebron had their podcast, Mind the Game,

(06:35):
all that good stuff, right, and a lot of people
felt like Darvin Ham got sighted in order to bring
JJ Reddick in, and they felt like it was weird
that Lebron and JJ just happened to have a podcast
and all that good stuff. But you know, the first
few games of the season go on, what the Lakers
are like twelve or ten and four or so, and
the Lakers' offense is looking much approved, a lot more
better ball movement and so on, and there's a lot

(06:57):
of positive prospects about the Lakers. But then they go
on this most recent run and things ain't looking too hot, right,
and Lakers start losing some games, and now you're essentially
at the point where through twenty one games, the Lakers
have the same record with JJ Reddick twelve and nine
that they did with Darvin Ham through twenty one games.

(07:20):
And mind you, everybody's scouring to see, well, what's going on,
what's the issue? And one of the biggest talking points
that you look at, and you look at performance across
the board. Anthony Davis is having a good season, Austin
Reeveze is playing good, Dalton connect is playing solid. DJ
Reddick or DJ Reddick, D'Angelo Russell's playing solid, and then

(07:40):
you get to one.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Lebron Jack who's playing solid.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Hey, man's playing solid for what they need to do
on the bench, Oh, shooting sub forty?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Go ahead, go ahead, my bad, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I mean, go ahead, Hey, bro, you can say Danie
Russell's underform if you want to say that, you want
to come for his shooting percentages. I'm just more so
talking about him having to get the ball to Anthony
Davis on the bench. Or that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Brother, he got one job and he ain't even doing
that job. You mean underperforming? Bro?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Me, Bro, you don't think he's getting the ball to
a d.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh listen, Bro, you're paying this man eighteen million dollars
to make an entry pass. I'm not I'm not moved.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
He's not convincing me. Okay, Well for him, Dangel Russell's
playing like dogwater. Okay, we got that, we got that
marked off. But that look you might as well have.
You know, I'm not gonna put words in your mouth.
You know I just did. But you just said the
man's playing like mouth. Okay, I'm just translating your words, bro,

(08:53):
you know what I mean. Like right, you just lay
it up for me and I gotta I gotta dunk
it down. But a lot of what is now being
looked at is Lebron James because when you look across
the spectrum, Lebron's shooting percentages are down, particularly his shooting
percentage from three when you're looking at his average distance

(09:13):
of shots, He's shooting more jump shots, he's shooting he's
not getting to the rim as often as he was
even just a season ago. His paint percentages when he's
shooting within three feet of the rim three to ten feet,
his percentages are down from last season. And we're seeing
that it's looking like Lebron's legs are starting to kind
of get hit with some of that fatigue. And even

(09:35):
when JJ Reddick was talking about Lebron's usage and his
playing time for the rest of the season in terms
of their ambition of him playing eighty two games, JJ
commented saying that might not be something that they're still
looking to do going forward in the season, because it
does seem as though there's times where Lebron's missing simple
bunny layups or and this has been This has been

(09:56):
something for Lebron that I noticed even last year, where
his his finishing has taken a hit. Obviously, he's gonna
take a hit. He's not as athletic, He's not gonna
be as high in the air as he once was,
So contests are gonna bother him more now than they
did in the past. But there's sometimes he's missing easy
bunnies and I'm cinder, I'm like, dude, what is going on? Right?
And now when you're in a situation where your three

(10:18):
point jumper is not falling and you're taking more threes.
Mind you, Lebron was a great three point shooter last year,
and naturally, when you're seeing that, that's a big part
of him being able to create that space and create
those driving lanes, be able to space the floor and
not have the Lakers lineup be clunky as it was
two seasons ago, even a good portion of last season.

(10:39):
Now you're in a situation where if Lebron can't shoot
the threes, it's gonna be very remnant of twenty twenty
one Lakers versus what they had about two seasons or
maybe yeah, it was when it was two seasons ago.
When they went to the Western Conference Finals. So what
do you think about the Lakers so far? Do you
think lebron Is is hitting this point or do you
think is the biggest issue or what do you think

(11:01):
their biggest issue at this moment.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Their biggest issue is the same issues they've had for
the past three three years, is they can't shoot. Last year,
Broun was their best shooter at forty yeah, and then
it's like this year, you go in, you add connect
who shooting right now? Uh? De Loo shooting thirty two,

(11:29):
Reeves is shooting well, well, he was shooting well before
this they have thirty five percent. Is his tanking as they've.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Through the stretch has gone down?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, Yeah, they've gone on this losing ten percentage is
kind of tanked as well. So it's tough because like
that's always that's always been their biggest issue. Is like
if you just get some shooters, opens it up for
a d who and then in turn also opens it
up for Lebron. So even though he can't get to
the rent, it's like if it's not as packed as

(11:59):
it was before, I mean, he could still get to
the rim. Yeah, So that's still there. That's still their
main there, number one issue, the number two issues, they
still just don't have any defense on the perimeter. Van
doh is Jared Vanderbilt is still out for uh January,
Let's say let's say let's say January.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's the hope, right, the hope.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, you know, let's let's just let's say January and
and hope for the best. You know, but he was
supposed to be. But the problem is he comes back,
he gets playing time, but it's like he's a non shooter.
So you're kind of like, oh cool, we kind of
patched one issue and make another issue even worse. Yeah,

(12:47):
So the biggest issue, which is we we acknowledged multiple times,
is their roster is just badly, badly constructed. Yeah, and
that's and that's always going to be the biggest issue
because Rob Polinka still exists as the Lakers em.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Now, do you think that Lebron's unfair because obviously a
lot of this stuff Lebron's not having, He's not playing
great offense to this stretch. And you even sent me
a note from Jason timp Temp where he says Lebron
shot below fifty percent from the field just three times
in his final twenty three regular season games. Last year,

(13:29):
he had six games in that stretch of at least
thirty points on at least sixty percent shooting. This year,
he has shot below fifty percent eleven times in twenty
one games and has just one game of at least
thirty points on sixty percent shooting. And to accompany that,
you also sent me another note of where Jason timp
notes that Anthony Davis Anthony Davis's usage ray over the

(13:51):
ten and four start was thirty one point two percent.
The usage ray throughout this two and five stretch is
twenty six point seven percent. Lebron's usage ray over that
ten and four start was twenty six point four percent,
whereas now his usage rate in this two and five
stretch for them is thirty point five percent. So do
you think that the eyes the eyes of Souron kind

(14:13):
of looking towards Lebron is an accurate because I think
naturally where we have been with Lebron in the past
was that Lebron was normally good enough to be able
to gloss over a lot of the deficiencies of his castmates, right,
And if if now you're seeing that, maybe I think

(14:37):
for even regardless of how well Anthony Davis has played
for the Lakers. I think people have still seen Lebron
as the better player throughout much of this stretch of
them being a tandem of one another. So now we
at a point where that now needs to flip for
the Lakers to be successful. Or do you think that
this is it's not Lebron shouldn't be the one that

(14:59):
the eyes are starting to look at. No.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
If so, one of the problems with that is if
it's a very small sample size, is also he's missed
the last two games, and that was your secondary ball handler. Yeah,
so you know Ad can't eight is not is not
going to handle the ball. Delot comes off the bench,
dal is not is not your ball handler. So you're

(15:27):
kind of like back to the whole. Bron is the
primary playmaker and also the guy who runs the second
you runs with the second unit, and also has to
get his points up too.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, and so I'm not.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Horribly the seven game sample the sample size. You know,
the last the last two games, I think he took
twenty eight shots against the Jazz and the I know
he played awful.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Against the h against the.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeahs, which I think he also he also had I
think six turnovers to go along with that. So I mean,
even though it's not twenty plus shots, it's still you know,
he's still using the ball quite a bad Yeah, And
so it's tough when you look at because then you
look at it that way and you're like, oh, well,
Lebron just you know, overtaken, like overtaking Anthony Davis.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But UD like at this point, it's a situation.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, And it's like I think once Reed gets back,
I think they'll go back to how it was, but
earlier in the season because because it also Ad also
played like the worst. They played the number one ranked team,
They played the Thunder defensive team, then they played the

(16:58):
Uh they played the Thunder, the Timberwolves, and the Magic.
The the Thunder first Magic or third. The Timberolves are
seventh I think the defensive rating. And so he he
got nine shots against the Thunder, he got fourteen shots
against the Timberwolves, and against the Magic he got he

(17:21):
took twenty two. He played great against Timberwolves, I mean
against the Magic. Starts, he played great against the Magic.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
But.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
The other two games out he just gott he just
got got handled. I mean, it's just you get you're
you know, you're what people are talking about you. How
your your third MVP voting, I mean not voting, but
like on the MVP ladder, you get nine shots against
the thunder, Then what are you.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Thinking about JJ's comments, then about JJ talking about him?
The likelihood of playing him playing eighty two games is
not is not looking like it's going to be a reality.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
That it's It shouldn't. It didn't have it doesn't It
doesn't at this point, and I kind of we kind
of talked, we kind of talked about it right before,
not right before. You know, you're talking to a guy
who's going into his He's gonna be forty after this
month he played in the Olympics, was the best player

(18:18):
for about eighty to ninety percent of the Olympics. Comes
off that gets a little bit of rest, then jumps
right into the NBAC and it's like the younger guys like,
that's fine, but you know when you're when you're again
pushing forty, you can't be like, you know, you ain't
your body ain't doing that, you ain't recovering that's that

(18:39):
you used to man.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, And it is interesting because I think me watching
the game, I think even me realizing because there was
some turnovers he had in the Timberwols game, I'm like,
damn it, some of these turnovers are a result of
just being fatigued, right, Like there was a couple where
he's driving in he leaves his feet and you know,
sometimes Lebron can hit those quick, those fast passes across

(19:05):
the court when he leaves his feet and whatnot, But
some of these it's like he's leaving his feet and
he's just he's not going anywhere, Like he's barely getting
off the ground. So then he has to get rid
of the ball real fast, and so he's throwing the
ball into traffic and I'm like, oh gosh. And maybe obviously,
like the Wolves are have good defensive players, so some
of that plays a role in all that. Like he's
trying to make some entry passes into a d and

(19:27):
then Rudy Gobert is just there and then you got
you got Anthony Edwards on your on the wing as well,
Jayden Daniels on that. You know, you got you got
a lot of different kind of players on that Timberwolves
wing defense. But I think that some of that fatigue,
like you're noting a lot, a lot of those excruciating
circumstances do play a role in it. And I found

(19:48):
it interesting when Dave mcmanhimon asks ask JJ Reddick this question.
You see Jj sit there and you know it's tough
to go against your star and in a sense where
you know that's something that Lebron has made it adamant
that even in this documentary for that starting five that
we saw on Netflix, he hated it last season when
he was on a minutes restriction, and right right now

(20:10):
he's even playing less minutes than he was last season,
and so yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Boundary isn't really different.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's not a huge difference. I mean it's like point three.
I think last season he played thirty five point three minutes.
This season's playing thirty five.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
So yeah, I was thinking. I looked at it and
I was sound of surprised. He's he's still rocking thirty
five minutes existent.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, So, I mean it's pretty much in the
same ballpark. But based on what people are saying when
he when he's getting asked that question and the way
he answers it, I do think that something is like
in the back of people's minds like the Lakers have
been trying to transition for a while, to not not
transition away from Lebron as a ball handler, but to

(20:55):
the reason why the offense was under such scrutiny last
season is because so many of the sets that the
Lakers are running out there, we're not optimizing optimal offense
right that it felt like they thought they still have
Lebron from twenty fourteen as opposed to realizing, dude, this
is a thirty eight year old Lebron James, whereas now
he's in he's thirty nine years old, and so I

(21:18):
don't know, I think that I think that for his sake,
I do think that there are some there's some margins
here or some some moments here where were maybe it
is best to scale back some of these minutes, because
even some of the younger stars don't play as many
minutes as him, and so I sometimes I'm always questioning that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, I was just looking at steps that's playing
twenty nine point nine minutes even last year you played
thirty two.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Like he kind of, I mean, he kind of had
the same thing where he you know, he played a
good round minutes in the Olympics and now Kevin Randam
outline because he's playing in thirty seven minutes, but he's
also hurt. So you don't know if that's the best
example to follow.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, you start playing as many games.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I mean he's only played twelve as opposed to
you know, bron has played all twenty one so far. Yea,
So I don't know. I would like him to scale back.
And if you're gonna do it, you kind of gotta
do it now, right because it's like the the the
season is still kind of young, and you're only in
the fourth of the season, right, So it's like, if

(22:25):
you're gonna scale back, do it now. Let him get
to like all Star breaks and then get All Star
break and then start ramping back up. But the other
problem is this goes back to the first point is
like they're getting DLO more minutes. Yeah, And the problem man,

(22:46):
if you're like it's just like you're you're either getting
DLO who's gonna go eight to twelve or you're gonna
get DLO who's gonna give you eachot tot eights? You know, yeah,
like like be fair, like you know what this is.
This is actually the perfect This is the perfect deal. Right,

(23:06):
team is good, he's playing the absolute worst basketball like
he can play in the season. Team goes on lose
the streak, he's going to heat.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
He that's so true when it's totally irrelevant that man
is gonna ball out. Bro. I was watching the Minnesota
game and I'm sitting there, I'm like, he hit like
his first three threes, and I'm like, hello, just for
the game with the frails.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Before, like before you they started losing two of five,
two of eight, three or ten, two of nine, and
then alright, they lost the theay lost. This is the
they lost that magic game. And he shot two of
nine as against Nuggets after that, five or thirteen, seven
of eleven, six of eleven, eight of twelve. It's like
all right, bro, Like now you want to go like
now you want to start hitting shot?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I know that Magic game? Yeah, that Magic Game is
still sits in my crawl bro. Like friends, friends, that
was that was?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
That was.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I was like, friends, you want you want to do this?
You real, this is what you really want to do.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Like you can say, you can say that, but Mama,
he has been a superstar.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
No, he's been killing it. He's been killing. I've honestly
wondered what the team's gonna look like when Polo comes back.
I wonder what the because you know, the guys go
on heaters like this, like Franz is on right now,
But then when Palo comes back into the mix, I'm like, well,
how does how does the dynamic? Does it mess up
the flow of things? How things are going? Because they're
cooking right now.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
But uh, I think they are, like they're like eight
and two or like ninety one or something like that
since he's been out.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
They are. Yeah, yeah, I think they lost the other night,
but outside of that loss, I think that Yeah, I
think they were nine and one without him before that loss.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
So but the thing is this this track last year,
I think I say it to you, it was a
while ago. That's it that like Poalo off friends on,
they're a better they're a better team than Palo all
friends off. Yeah, and it's tracked. I think it's tracked

(25:12):
for like the past two years that it's been that way.
So I don't know. It's like most people, I think
they would be like, oh, nah, Polo is a better player,
and it's just like, for whatever reason, it's not translating
to what's happening on the court.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, it is weird. I know, I know a lot
of Palo fans and then but Franz is just it's
just next level.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
But yeah, it's just cooking, like absolutely absolutely feast. I
thought he should have got played the month over over
Jason Tatum.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Oh really, I thought so.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
They're ninety one. He's been absolutely feasting since. I mean,
I guess's pretty much the beginning of the month.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
But I guess. I mean Tatum's led what the second
best Eastern Conference team this month? His team, I think offensively,
their third in offensive efficiency and so on right behind.
I know the Calves are number one, forget number two.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
But no, no, no, no, we're two.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
The Calves are two, Caves are two.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
There's another Eastern Conference team. At first, I.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Just checked this like an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Nah, bro, there's one other team.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Who am I missing? Who am I the bus.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
The man you hate the most? They both data out
here leading the Knicks to the number one.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Oh my god. I wasn't gonna say the next thing,
you know, I wasn't gonna say then, I won't say that.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Out here, leading leading the Knicks to the best offense
in the league.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh okay, so what happened? The Knicks are playing right now,
right because it had just updated, because there's no way. Yeah,
the Knicks are playing. They're playing, uh in season tournament
game right now. Because I'm looking at it right now,
I see, I see Cleveland's number one and the Knicks
are two. In Boston is three in offensive efficiency?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh my god, they're blowing them out.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a blowout. Yeah, it's a blowout.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Ninety six points in a third quarter with five minutes
to go. Oh yeah, yeah the.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
League, baby Knicks are dominating. But I mean that's that's
where you get the nod to Tatum, right, that's where
Tatum gets that that player of the month over Franz
I would bet. But I mean since that game, literally
that's when the Lakers, the Lakers decline has has just
gone into a spiraling effect. But it's kind of funny
because every single season dating back to twenty twenty, you

(27:53):
just realize how small of a margin the Lakers have
to not to not be I guess you could say,
like there's no there's very slim Martin era for whether
it's injuries, whether it's guys just not able to hit
shots in it. And honestly, I guess in this league
where the talent is right, the floor of talent is

(28:15):
raising so much, there really is a smaller margin of
talent for you to have players injured by any stretch
of imagination, for any stretch of time, because by the
time your guy comes back, your your team could be
like five, six, ten games in the hole. And the
next team that we're about to talk about honestly knows
that all too well, because.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I was just talking. Unless you play in the East,
that is.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
A good point. I mean, right now, the Philadelphia seventy
six right.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Before, right before we transition out quickly rough Nicks. So
the Celcics need the Knicks to win by thirty seven
if they're going to advance. The Knicks are currently about
thirty five points.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, that's insane. So and you're incentivized in the playing
tournament to just run the score up too, yup. So
that's actually nuts.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh no, I'm looking at the I'm looking at the
the scoreboard, I mean the box score. It's man, the
magic looked like outside of one player, the magic looked terrible.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Hey, bro, all this boosting up we just gave him
and then they get watched like this.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But I can be he has twenty six the next
highest is nine, so he's doing his job.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
This is true. This is true. But another team that's
been getting watched a lot this year then Philadelphia seventy
six Ers. Right now, the seventy six Ers are four
and fourteen, sitting at fourteenth in the Eastern Conference, And honestly,
when you're looking at the scenario, I made a video.
If you guys haven't watched it on the KBR Sports
YouTube channel, go ahead and check it out where I

(29:57):
talk about actually two videos. I talked about Paul George
coming to the seventy six ers and why I even
put on the thumbnail insanity is doing the same thing
over and over again and expecting a different result, right
because we've seen this story Paul George before. And the
other video I made was talking about why people decide
James Harden and Drawel Embiid, And in a portion of

(30:20):
that video, I talk about the fact that there's one
thing Embiid is consistent about, and that boy is consistently hurt.
If look, death taxes and Thenmbid's injury status are always
going to be a consistency and never fail. Joelle Embiid
finds a way to be hurt. And that is the
one reason why I before the season, I already said

(30:42):
I'm not banking on these dudes on winning the championship.
Everybody was willing these dudes out as the big three,
all this stuff. I was like, look a big I
think you're the one that said, wasn't it like you
didn't you say it was like a big two and
a half because you got to consider both the two
knees that aren't going to be available because we're.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Not a big two. Because yeah, it was. I forget
what I said that. I know what the bar, but
I forgot what it was.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
It was a great bar bro I can't remember. I
loved it so much. I remember, I've held on to
it all this time. But literally, looking at the games
played so far this season, and out of the eighteen
games that the seventy six ers as a team have played,
Joel Embiid is only played in four of the games.
Tyrese Maxie has played in twelve of those games, and

(31:28):
Paul George has played in nine of those games. Mind you, Embiid,
Paul George, and Maxi have all played below what you
would expect for them to play. MAXI on the season
shooting forty one point seven percent, averaging twenty five point
nine points. Granted, obviously he's he's being the feature player
in the offense since these guys have not been able

(31:49):
to play majority of the time, shooting thirty three percent
from three. Then when we look at Embiid, Embiid is
shooting in those four games thirty seven point nine percent
from the field sixteen percent from three. He's average, he
was averaging only he shot eight free throws in those
four games, and then he scored nineteen point eight points
per game in those four games. And then when you

(32:10):
get down to Paul George, my boy's looking like a
role player averaging fourteen point four points per game HL
and shooting thirty seven point eight points or scoring fourteen
point four points out of thirty seven point eight percent
clip from the field and shooting twenty eight point six
percent from deep. So, honestly, when you look at all

(32:33):
that and you look at the seventy six ers, it's
crazy that the TikTok star Jared McCain is looking like
the brightest prospect of this season so far. Averaging sixteen
points for them as a rookie. So cooking, he's cooking.
You know, he's He's the one bright spot they got
this year. He's scoring better honestly than most add a
better clip than their all their notable stars. So with

(32:56):
that being said, do you think that the seventy six
ers are pretty much out of the playoff race at
this point in time?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Okay, first of all, they're not a dog fight right
now with the Lamello list Hornets fourteenth, Yeah, there was
on one to one hundred right now, but with no LaMelo,
yeah at that point.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
And people, look, I just want you to know, watching
the Hornets without LaMelo ball is an experience.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm gonna sit here and say, if you haven't watch
even with the Milo, I would say, watch a Horness game.
If you love two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, isoldball,
your your favorite player jacking up thirty shots? You don't love,
you will love the Hornets Gameplay Primetime ball, Baby man,
this man Brandon Miller the other night, seven to twenty five,

(33:54):
you love to see it.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Just no chick three or eight.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Shill Jack bro is jacking shots up?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Broa Hey, bro, Look get them up. These dudes are
just trying to get their VC up to raise up
their skill points. Man, I can't even be mad at them.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love I love watching them about that man be launching.
But well, okay, they are currently okay just to get
to the eight seeds, they're five games back. They're fine. Actually,
I think that back to get to the to get
to the to get to the seventh seeds, they are

(34:42):
four and a half back. We just saw the Bucks
who were four and nine. No, they were three and nine.
Actually they're the they're the fifth seed. It's like, all right,
do you trust the Hornets, I mean the Raptors?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Do you trust the Hornets? No? You trust the Nets? No,
trust the pistons. M you trust the bull No? So Stepine,
I I.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Would say that I think they're right there. They're right there, right,
But the context matters with the with these points, because
I think there's a lot of games that they can
still just keep falling in the hole. And mind you,
this team is built in around Joel Embiid, and even
in those four games and bid played, those were his

(35:31):
best efforts to try and give it a go. But
I don't he wasn't even healthy in those games that
he played, and so no, the sporadic nature of how
this team is going to be trying to play with
their pieces coming in and out of the lineup, it
doesn't really give me the biggest the biggest hope for
them to be able to get chemistry going. Because the
difference with the Bucks was that even if a guy

(35:53):
like Chris Middleton, who for some reason it always seems
to consistently miss the beginning of the season, But even
if a guy like Chris Middleton is yeah, it's weird.
I never understand it. He's always out at the beginning
of the year for like a couple of stretch of
games and then comes back and then Yiannis goes out
or Damian Lillard goes out or something like that. This
is always so weird to me how that happens. But
it's it's literally happening back to back to back seasons.

(36:15):
But for the Bucks, you'll have Gianni's still being there
and there's still a level of chemistry those guys have
developed and they have a level of continuity aside with
having arguably the best player in the Eastern Conference on
your team who can go out there and just drop
forty to thirty a night with a double double of
rebounds and maybe five assists.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Wait is that you said, sir, I don't think it's
our Well, would be honest with Oh, I guess okay.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
God, wait what.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You said? The arguably the best player in the East.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Joe, I'm talking about I'm talking about Yiannis.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Oh okay, bad, you're talking about joy Well No, no, I'm.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
About I'm talking about Jannis because of the fact d
Jew's not playing.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah. So if Jane is Jannis is here for most
of these games, he's able to actually perform. I think naturally,
just off raw talent, these guys are gonna be able
to get some wins. And then with that continuity that
they've already continued on from last season. Like you said,
they start off the season rocky as it were, and
then Gianni's kind of flipped that switch again. They got
a couple of wins under the belt. Now Chris Middleton's

(37:23):
coming back, and they're right back in the middle of
the pack. The question I have for the seventy six
ers is that it doesn't seem like Joelle or Paul
Georgia all that healthy and they're trying to find ways
to kind of reintegrate with the team, but they're still
just they're still losing in the in the midst of.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
That, And.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I don't know, It's like, do you just sit out
the full bulk of games that you need to sit
out to get healthy and then come back. But what
is the team? What is the outlook for the team
at at that point in time, especially if even Tyree
Maxy's dealing for his own injuries. That's where even though,
like we're still early in the season, so the whole
isn't that big. But if you just keep if you

(38:03):
still keep going on this track, I don't know, man,
I'm still worried about that team.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm gonna go on a limb here and say, if
they win ten games before the play of the All
Star Game, they would still make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I think.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
So, yeah, I don't think you realize how bad the
Eastern Oh.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
No, I'm hip. I mean the East East, outside of
the top five is pretty it's pretty destitute, right.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I think what is what is playing is top ten? Right?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yes, it's top ten?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, there's not ten teams in the East
that are going to be about forty Like, that's not
going to be above thirty five wins.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
It is actually insane. I mean, I saw that some
of those other NBA gms were proposing or did you
saw that report right about nbagms are kind of proposing
for the NBA to go to similar to a w
NBA format and for.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Like seven years at this point.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, it is. It is pretty odd. This glaringly clear
that the West has predominantly all the top talent and.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Who won the championship.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, yeah, you look, the Celtics did win the championship,
but the fight throughout the season to get to that point.
It is a harder road to go through the West
by far than the Eastern Conference. It's just not even if.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That's the problem. Uh, I'm suber get in there making things.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Happen, make things happen.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying rid the league. Man.
You know, you you can control who gets the first,
second third pick.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
A chill out.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I listen.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Now speaking of the East as a whole, because I
where where I see Philly. I think, naturally we're still
early in the season, like you said, but I don't
know Man, I gotta right now. If you had to,
if I had a bet, I probably say they can
get to ten and play a playing game. But I
don't know if this team is good enough even in
a one win if Embat is there, you could you

(40:09):
could win one game if em Beat is there, but
man easily yeah, if he's there, But still trust his health. Man,
I don't trust his health at all, and the way
they're managing it, I.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Zero problems believing he will be there in the in
the season, I believe he'll be there.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I don't hope, so.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm trying to see what was the East like last year.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
At some point, I just hope because it feels like
he feels the pressure. And you even see in his
media comments about him talking about things he's done for
the city, trying to say, hey, I all the sacrifices
he's made. I mean I in that video, I highlight
the things like and he's not missing games just to
miss games like the dude is genuinely hurt and it
sucks because throughout his career he gets these freak injuries

(40:54):
that I was even up just perplexed by. Dude's broken.
He's fractured his eyes, Frasher broth Is. I I think
he's had injuries on both his eyes. He's yeah, broken
his fingers, multiple knee injuries, has broken foot. I'm just like, dude,
how many times like what is going on when he's

(41:15):
playing basketball? But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I just want to point out last year the Hawk
got in the playing game thirty sixth and forty six.
So it's like, you, do you really think that the
seventy six ers can't match a thirty six win thirty
seven win pace? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:37):
What we're they're eighteen games through.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Guy that four wins, got four wins was barely with
all three of their stars basically been missing time.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, I guess I'm.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And also they're they're about to win their fifth game.
They just they just went four with nine seconds to go,
so they're they're five and fourteen basically. Yeah, yeah, I'll
be interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
So what you gotta win thirty one games and or
le Okay, so let's say they gotta get the forty
they gotta win. You gotta win thirty five games and
sixty three games basically, basically a forty five pace wins
season is basically what they have to way they would
have to average from here on out to get the

(42:31):
forty wins. Yeah, which, okay, they were forty seven win
team last year was probably actually not that's actually not
that good, would be honest with you, No, to be fair,
to be fair to all play thirty nine games last year.
So he played thirty nine games last year and they
won forty seven.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
It's looking like it's about to be a similar fastest
this year. Bro.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, so listen, So if I can get fifty, if
I can get fifty games of EMBIID, I'm basically like, okay,
we can win. We can win forty five games.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, if you can get I'm not even the forty
five wins. That thing is the fifty games out of EMBIID.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Okay, now you listen, embid. This is this is always jokes.
He misses a stretch of a long stretch of games,
he'll come back and be perfectly fine, and they gets
the playoffs and then he'll get hurt.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
You forget we had the Olympics to see your brother.
That man, he's already on the clock. He did that boy,
That boy's already already I'm telling you, bro, that man
Kawhi's clock got accelerated. He went out there for for
tryouts for the Olympics. That boy was out again.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Kawhi on that real talk, like, Yo, just get to
the playoffs, play six. If we can make it twenty
five games, We're good.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Kawhi Dovas suit up for the regular season. That man
is entire entirely. He need a team where like what
Kawhi needs to do honestly is take the Tim Duncan
minimum and then let the team build around like whatever
they else they need to get around him so he
can just show up in the playoffs and they like
and they can just be great because him taking these
mass contracts to not be there at.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
All game seventy five, get himself in the playing state
and then goes into the playoffs. That's as basically what
his dad is basically where he's at this point.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Craft is crazy, bro, Kawhi just getting hurt.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
God and leading the team like it's twenty sixteen for.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's crazy, oh man, But I feel from man, I feel.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
From but we do you know it sucks that it's
like you know, it ain't like you choose.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Exactly depending on who you're asking. The media right.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Look, man, what.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Man, you don't need know, you don't need no extra
shine for me. Bro, you don't need no me crazy,
it's crazy. But hey, bro, look, I plead, I plead
the fifth but.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I feel you have a YouTube video up on it,
so I do. I do.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Anybody want to know what I'm referencing. Go to that YouTube,
go to the YouTube channel. You'll see. But I mean
talking about the Eastern Conference as a whole, two teams
stand out as it is in the East right now,
the Cleveland Cavaliers, who lead the Eastern Conference, in the
Boston Celtics, who are the reigning champions currently prior to

(45:36):
this this night, Tonight's slate of games recording this Wednesday
or sorry, Monday night or Tuesday Tuesday night before the
current state of games tonight ends, Cavaliers sitting at eighteen
and three, Celtics sitting at seventeen and four. Calves are
the number one.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
What do you say, keeven don't count the Cup games?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
No, they count to your regular season record, do they? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
They do?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Huh yeah, Bro, It's just I mean, it's just regularly regular. See.
The only one that doesn't that that I believe doesn't
is the championship. Oh but the rest of the the
rest of the games do do count to your regular
season record.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But that's the same, Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
So the Calves as it stands right now, number one offense,
number one true shooting percentage, and their third and d
or sorry, their tenth in defensive efficiency, while the Boston
Celtics are third in offensive efficiency, third and true shooting percentage,
and seventh in defensive efficiency. Obviously, from an all around
talent perspective, the Celtics, they're the reigning champs. You give

(46:52):
them their credit on that side of things, right, And
when you look at it, you got Brown, you got Tatum,
you got Derek White, you you got all these different
guys on that team that can suit up, that are
our championship battle tested and that are able to perform
at a high level when the moment matters most. It
feels like it feels like, just based on town alone,

(47:13):
these guys can make a can make a playoff run easily. Right.
And now you have this Cavaliers team that started what
fifteen to zero on the season, and the first loss
of the season came to the Celtics, and they just
beat the Celtics. They got their look back the other night,
and so now you're sitting in the situation where you

(47:34):
evaluate the Calves talent and the Calves also have a
talented team, not as deep as the Celtics, of course,
but they also have a talented team. But when looking
at all things holistically, maybe matchup makes fights, maybe depending
on if one guy can raise this level to play
against the Celtics, depending on the series. Even last year
when they played, it was a matchup that I was sitting,

(47:57):
I was like, yeah, the Celtics, the Celtics are the
better team, right, And you look at this CAST team
you wonder, oh, is this is a great regular season
run similar to what we've seen from teams like the
Timberwolves such in the past. With you being a more
studied CAST fan, do you consider the Cast to be
more actual threat to the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I'm afraid not hate to say it, hate to break
it to myself, but now, mm well, I think the
biggest problem they have is Okay. I mean, because like
we look at all championship teams and I think the
first question we always ask is do you if you

(48:38):
go into a series, do you have the best player
in the series. Yeah, and if you go into this
series Boston Boston, Cleveland, you have the best player. Now
do you have the second best player? Maybe potentially depends

(48:59):
on how you fee about Jalen Brown Donovan Mitchell. I
think most people just put them in as a push
Jalen Brown with defense being being a better defender than Donovan.
So the real the real issue is, and when I'm
gonna work allachwards is Darius Darius Garland is when he's

(49:21):
in jail, when he plays against the Celtics, and it's like,
the problem is like Donald is six two, but he's
six to with a six ten wingspan. He's like two
hundred and twenty is bounds, So he's a big six
two six three. Yeah, Darius Garland is a small six one.

(49:41):
And so it's like, Okay, here's Drew. Here's here's six
four Drew Holiday to guard you. Oh, here's six four Drew. Uh,
Derek White to guard you. Here's six seven Jalen down
to guard you. Here's six eight Jalen Jason Tatum to
switch on to you. Oh, you finally get your six
to one point guard on you. He's six one, two

(50:03):
hundred pounds, he's in a bubby ball. So it's like
he just he just just put he gets put into
jail whenever he played against Like now, last game, he
played five, but he took seven shots. He's like, he didn't.
We kind of won that off the back of Donoan
Mitchell's great offense. Yeah, more than anything else. And it's
like he had twenty two. He was he was like,

(50:23):
he was good. He wasn't like you know, but it's
like that that kind of performance is far and few between.
Oh yeah, it's far and few between. Like the first
time they played, he shot like three or twenty one.
It was an awful performance. And it's like when you
watch the playoffs there, he was awful. And so it's
like when you get them locked in in a playoff series,
like he's just he's like, I just I don't trust

(50:47):
Darius to like to be able to to get through
that defense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
You know what funny thing is, I remember I don't
remember which game we were watching together last year. I
don't remember which one it was, but it was so
it was so glaring that it felt like Donovan Mitchell
was playing one on five in that series.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
He was, And it was one of those feels like.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And I think that's where you really heard the murmurs
of trading Darius Garland at the point of time, and
Donovan really was the one that came out and put
that to rest about wanting to force a trade and
so on with Darius leaving vacating the back court. But
in that happening, we've already seen this template, right, like

(51:45):
you've seen this template before. I love how you illustrated
that because that's a very strong distinction to make because
when a player is like Donovan, who's like six to two,
but you're a big six to two, it makes a difference,
right Sometimes that height just we'll come back and play
a factor. When you watch Donovan, Donovan gets a lot
of comparisons to Dwayne Wade, and it's because d Wade

(52:05):
played bigger than he actually was. He Dwyane Wade was
sixty four, but he it felt like you were watching
him play at six six or like sixty.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Seven, And which is weird because they both are Dwayne
six ' four with the sixteen wingspan two twenty and
Donovan six two six three twenty with the sixteen wings
fan as well.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, so the parallels are there, But when you see
Darius Garland, it's almost like.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's almost Darius Garland is six to one one and
eighty pounds with like a six five wingspan.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, honestly, I would say Darius honestly gives me way
more closer vibes with him being in the back court.
It gives me way more Damien and CJ. Then it
gives me d Wade and whomever else because of just
the manner of how their backcourt is. And so yeah,
whenever I see the Calves, I love how they're how
well they're playing right now. But after seeing that series

(53:05):
last year, I just kind of know where things are headed.
As good as they are in the Eastern Conference. It's
similar to other teams who have had Eastern Conference runs.
When you don't have the best player, it really your
team makeup really comes to the forefront. And even though
I think there's about probably about two people in the
East I would take above Tatum, with that being Giannis

(53:25):
and Joel Embiid. When when Embid is actually fully healthy,
when I mean like legitimately, we.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Got it, we got it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, you know, I look, some people I just went
on the whole thing talking about him being hurt. So
I had to. I had to verify it. If I
just need a game, he's fully healthy, I'll take him.
But with that being the case, Tatum has has reliably
always had a better team than most of these other guys,
and so naturally, now he's in a situation where his
his his talent as a player has reached the what

(53:58):
we would be comparable to the bead or the Giannies
and so on, especially with Brown also elevating his game,
and now you're at a position where it really takes
a lot for other teams to really stand in this
team's way. And then people messed up last year and
let them go ahead and win, so now they know
essentially how to perform. I'm a Laker fan, bro, I

(54:23):
feel it.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I feel it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I don't know what the Nuggets were doing last year. Man,
I'm just gonna keep it a being with you. I
don't know what the Nuggets were doing. I don't know
what the Timberwolves with the bed to Yeah, yeah, that
was the matchup all year. Everybody's talking about all year.
Oh man, miss the Nuggets in the Celtics. That's gonna
be a problem. And then you want to go and
loose to the Timberwolves, and then the Timberwolves want to

(54:47):
go and loose to the Mavericks. Make Kyrie Irving and
Luka Doncas people call who was it wasn't stam Ban
Gundy calling them the best offensive backcourt of all time?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, that was all over everywhere. They were the best
offensive back world of all time. Man got to the finals,
watched that, man, Kyrie Lay a complete stinker.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Every game, every game.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Bribe, Yeah, you ain't here and ain't hearing people about
best bat offensive back whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Again, I haven't heard it since, Bro, I've not heard
it since. I'm like, Man, the Mavericks are playing games right,
because Man, I haven't heard nothing.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
About and they heard of people about it.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Things got real quiet, real quick.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh it's Kyrie Urban podcast. I'm not I'm not going
to speak on it, but I would say I would
give them a proper because they are there four and
one without Luca, are playing good. Their offensives been actlute
legit dah.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I mean, I think Dallas has talents just for the
matchup against the Celtics. The matchup begainst the Celtics. I
think the I think based on how the Nuggets had
looked at their best.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
No, the course of Jamal Murray is not going to
get them, not going to win them a series.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
No, I'm talking about what it was like up until
they lost to the timber Wolves. I'm not talking about
when they lost, like after how they look after they lost.
I'm talking about, like fresh off beating the Lakers all
throughout the regular season, with these dudes looking like they're
running ropshot all over the league and looking like they
could just turn it on whenever they wanted to. That's
the tip. That's the Nuggets I'm talking about. And then

(56:36):
the minute they ran into the Timberwolves, they just I
don't know what happened. Oh, Jamal Murray ran into athletic
wings that can hang with him everywhere he went.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
That's actually what right, That's what I'm saying, Like, Bro,
at this point, like I'm sitting here, this man like
come on, dog like from deep like, come on. That
was against the Lakers, Bro, that was even against the
timber Wolves.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Him in a straight jacket.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Bro, No, no, no, no, the Lakers got that man
in the straight jacket. Remember, he was awful, He was
terrible that game. He at the game the first game
meet the game. He was trash and we forgot all
about that. We forgot about the beginning of the game.
But he was terrible. Yeah, I think he had two
good games that seas. Then he got then he got

(57:29):
to play the Wolves. He was putting hell and germ.
The Wolves, they threw both. They they dogs, that man
and he ain't he ain't. Look he ain't looked good
ever since.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Bunker Bro.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
That man, he's a player and he gets PTSD just
just looking at it, like he's like shooting the worst
shooting right now, shooting the worst of his career since
his rookie year, worst three point percentage of his career,
like the course of Jamal Murray. Bro, Like he ain't

(58:06):
he ain't no more.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
He's not that dude.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Work cr Rook's rookie year, lord since his since his
rookie year. He ain't him.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Guys. I also did make it. I made a TikTok
about this too, or short, whatever you want to call it.
Check that out too. Some of the social media channel
sas you wanted to know about Jamal Murray's playing. But yeah,
I look in terms of the West, the Western Conference,
who can match up with the Celtics at this juncture.
You said Thunder.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah hurt.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Huh Thunder I hurt though.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Mean chetsh. But he'll be back.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah yeah, I mean a fully healthy Thunder team. Make
it would make it interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
That looking at the West. That's about it. I'm gonna
be honest with you. Sheeesh. Listen. The second best team
in the West right now, Houston, and they have a
they they employed Jalen Screens, so they're not serious. Memphis,
no Golden State, no Dallas. We saw what happened. Clippers, Hell,
no Phoenix, no Lakers, no Denver. We just talked about it.

(59:19):
San Antonio. All right, I'm stopping there like.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
A dark world out there, brother is a dark world.
Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I was just like, I don't I don't think any
of these teams outside of like, okay, see, it's clearly
the best team in the West. Of me. I was like,
I'm looking at these teams. I think Dallas. I think
Dallas was legit. I think once Luca comes back, I
think Dallas is legit. They got a good they got
good depth.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Notre Marshall was playing out of his mind. PJ. Washington
all of a sudden, is hitting shots lefton right. Kyrie's
playing goodball. So it's like if we can come back
and they can continue that, they're legit. Minnesota is Tennington
and we didn't talk about this because we didn't. We
didn't the podcast. They employed Julius Randall. Some guys are

(01:00:18):
just like the Cat. The Cat, to me, like underperformed offensively,
like in his role right, his role as the number
two options is what they wanted him to be and
he hasn't performed in that role. But I still think
Kat is a good player, and like who can be
a good player on the wings. Julius randomly is not
that kind of guy. Maybe maybe he'll turn it around,

(01:00:41):
but like he's always been like a bad body language
kind of guy, and I think, so I'm not. It's like,
you know, like it's why I'm not surprised that Kat
is sitting in better with the Knicks then Julius is
with the with the with the but Wolves, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Think even for the better you had of adding a
winning guy in Dante DiVincenzo alongside Julius, I think losing Cat,
especially with Cat's skill set, you took a net negative
on that trade. That trade to this day, still boggles me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I think it was a monetary trade, and I get that.
It's just like I just don't like Julius Randall on
this team. Like if you look at his numbers, you're like,
oh man, he's playing he's playing good. Though. It's just
like he's genuinely one of those guys you have to
watch to understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
There's no better words I've ever been spoken.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And it's like the other thing is the other thing
is like Mike Conley is also now thirty seven. He
was taking a step back last year and he's a
year older, and so it's kind of, you know, getting
less production. He's your he's your point guard. It's like
you're putting Anthony Davis now, like ify Edwards has born

(01:02:02):
for primary ball handler.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
And yes he's in his two point checking era right
now too. He ga, yes, he's letting it go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Credit to him, Yeah, but he's not quite the the
playmaker you want kind of just yet. He's like that
right now, he's got three point seven assists, the three turnovers.
It's not great. Yeah, So it's like they need they
have to figure some things out. And until they do that,

(01:02:35):
like I think this team is worse than they were
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Pretty much we're at We're at a point where it
just seems like the Celtics are just the dominant team
across the border against anybody if they were to play somebody.
So prospects ain't great. Even in their own conference, prospects
ain't great. So all we got to hope for is
that teams get healthy and people start looking a lot
more interesting coming towards the end of the season, where

(01:02:58):
either people start playing defense or top tier offense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Orlando has this ugly style of basketball that I think
could could they wouldn't win the series, but give it
like a year or two, and I think I think
it'll start looking a lot different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Man, they're gonna do the thing where remember when the
Cavaliers would go like series against when when they had
Lebron and Kyrie and there'd be like one team in
the postseason. Maybe that just based off how they played
or something like that, or actually it was more so
of Miami. Let me I prefer Miami in this example.
They would go up against the team like the Pacers,

(01:03:35):
and you knew they weren't gonna the Pacers weren't gonna
beat them, but it was just like like the way
they just played and the way they had Roy Hibbert
there that nullified what Dwayne Wade and Lebron did best.
Even though they didn't have talent better than the Heat,
they just were a nuisance to the Heat. And that's
kind of where.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
They smoked in without Chris Boss.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I don't want to hear it, Bros. A couple of
those games came out the game winners, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Man, Listen, they got smoke without their third best player
and was only out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
He wasn't out for the whole series, Nah, Bro, he
was even four games. He wasn't out for the whole series.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You know. Basically once he got hurt, Game one came
back I think Game four he came back Game four
on limited minutes. It wasn't like he came back fully healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
And then Wade and Boss dropped or wait and Lebron
dropped forty both dropped forty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Bro, Like that was like that series, That series was
never really that we got it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
It was still competitive though, out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
There playing playing like pick up ball against those That.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Was the series that made me call these dudes the
Big Four because Mario Chalmers came out of nowhere and
splash three.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I was like, bro, where is this coming from Crown
All the time I said they were a big forty
entire time. That series just shows you what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Oh my gosh. Anyways, man, get these guys out of here.
But all right, let's switch gears. Man, let's talk about
the NFL because obviously primetime NFL season, we're coming towards that.
We're on the back end of the NFL season now,
at this point where we have five weeks of the
season left, or at least five to six weeks of

(01:05:20):
the season left, and I think some teams still take
them by weeks I believe. I think the Ravens by
week is this week. I think that will leave with
five games left. I believe on my docket that I
have here. But the way things stand right now, when
we're talking about the NFL MVP debate, right I think
the prime time names that were that come up in
this debate are Jared Goff, Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley, and

(01:05:41):
Lamar Jackson. Now, looking at all the teams across the board,
Lamar Jackson has a record of eight and five for
his team, Saquon Barkley's team ten and two. The Detroit
Lions are eleven and one. The Buffalo Bills are ten
and two. We're in a situation where this is how
I break down the MVP debate. Right, I think as

(01:06:02):
a running back has a chance to do something historical
and normally that is the only scenario where an NFL
running back wins an MVP when they are gonna do
something record breaking or something of that sort. Hey, why
why the why the yeah? Yeah, why the side?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Bro, Yeah, we get through. Get through the people don't
actually have a chance to win. Let's get to the
real Let's get to the real beat. All right, Let's
let's get all of the puny.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Except get the real people. Come on, man, okay, I'm
gonna put some respects on your name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Brother. Let's talk about Josh Allen, Lamar.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
One other special person coming up, coming up the board.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I got you, Lookuon Barkley on pace to bake Eric
Dickerson's rushing record of twenty five rushing yards in a
single season, where he's currently at fourteen ninety nine rushing
yards and he just needs to average one hundred and
twenty one rushing yards per game. In the remaining five games.
The last games that he has on the docket are

(01:07:06):
the Panthers, Steelers, Commanders, Cowboys, and the Giants, so it's
a possibility. Now, talk about Lamar Jackson's prospects, I think
Lamar Jackson all around has the best numbers. When you're
talking about passing touchdowns, he's only second to Joe Burrow, who's,
sadly enough, his team is just played like Garbo even
though he's balled out. I don't know how that happens.

(01:07:26):
But Lamar Jackson twenty nine passing touchdowns only throwing five interceptions,
has three two hundred and ninety passing yards, six hundred
and seventy eight rushing yards, and three rushing touchdowns. Lamar
Jackson from a front to back the ordeal for me.
He has the best stats to make his case, but

(01:07:48):
his team record, I think, is what holds him back.
We're being fair now. Then we talk about a guy
like Josh Allen, who Josh Allen oddly enough, I feel
like Josh Allen recently just got came into conversation. I
feel like the last few weeks is where they really
started shining in this conversation. But Josh Allen. You're looking
at it. He has twenty touchdowns on the season, twenty

(01:08:11):
passing touchdowns, six rushing touchdowns. He's strown for two thousand,
nine hundred is so yards and he has three hundred.
He just has just over three hundred and thirty rushing yards.
So overall his rods from scrimmage are through over three thousand.
So for him, I would say that I think Josh
Allen has If you want to say the record, the

(01:08:32):
record is what helps him the best. I think his
record with his team is the best the best advocacy
for him on his part because in terms of like obviously,
when you're talking about individual numbers, I think Lamar has
that down and for the running back category, you get
that to Saquon maybe, and then Jared Goff. Jared Goff
has the argument of essentially just having the best team.

(01:08:53):
I don't think his stats rise up to the level
of these other guys in terms of his performance, but
I think his I think over his team just being
eleven and one, even though technically he's just one win
ahead of Josh Allen or and Saquon Barkley. And when
you talk about Jared Goff's numbers, he's stown for twenty
two touchdowns, nine interceptions, completion percentage of seventy one point eight.

(01:09:16):
He's stown for twenty nine hundred and eighty two yards.
So that's what we're sitting at with Jared Goff. Now,
who is this mystery coming up the board person that
you got on your docket that you're you're you're glowing
so much about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
All I'm saying is eleven and one. He has eight
touchdowns to two picks his last couple of games. And
the media loves them, NFL loves them. I'm just saying
if they if they get there with like one loss,
just saying, Patrick Mahomes is sitting right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
There, Patrick Mahomes has no chance. Bro. Yeah, I would
that would say that, There's just no way, especially because
of the fact that he's already thrown eleven interceptions on
the season. I don't see it in the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Last four games.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
He's thrown two in the last four. But you know
it's all cumulative. It is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
But listen, A, you need a narrative, B needs that,
and CEE, you need to success.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
You need what success.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
If he gets there, if he gets there with one loss,
Let's say he gets to like thirty ish thirty ish touchdowns.
I'm not saying he'll win it. I'm just saying Lamar
Jackson is it. First of all, he's a wildcard team
right now. Josh Allen, there's only one touchdowns, has only

(01:10:47):
one more touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Are you counting Russian touchdowns too?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Though I wasn't turnover. Yes, but just where it goes
the narrative is like, hey, look how many options. Patrick
Mahme's lost. He still put up similar numbers outside okay,
outside of Lamar Jackson. Josh Allen has twenty, Jared Goff
had twenty two, Patrick has nineteen. Yeah, but I'm not

(01:11:13):
talking about the running back. They're not gonna win it,
so there's no point in me talking about them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
So come on, man, gets say Quan some respect?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Bro? Well, what abot time running back on the MVP?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Last time running back on m VP? Adrian Pearson was
was real. He didn't get the record? Damn my boy
was close when he did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
He did he like eight yards off of it, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
He was literally like eighty eight yards.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Off of it. Hold on what Yeah, I wish I
remember what the year that was?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
He was, Yeah, he he went He won MVP and
he won the Offensive Player of the Year, right, and
then Payon Manning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Got caught back to the MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think he did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
He sure did twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yep eight yards in the record bro. Granted, I will
say I didn't need to acknowledge that Saquon is going
to be doing it in one more game than Eric
Dickerson or Adrian Peterson would have had a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
To do record.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
By the way, that's the only time when the NFL
was some about adding weeks onto things. I'm like, well,
all these records that are being held like these users
did it in less games, man, Like, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, I've never been a fan of it, but I
guess if people can shoot more threes and the game
can change and essentially you have like different people beyond No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
That's different. You're still in the constraant of of the game.
There's no there's no extra time or anything like that.
You're not going from like twelve minutes to like fifteen
minutes or something like that. You're still playing twelve minutes,
you know, four quarter games, eighty two game season.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
The rules have also changed so much now from what
they were in whatever time error.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
You want to talk about player to do it, like
you're adding extra games on too, Like, no, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
You have more opportunities, You have more opportunities to go
out there and break the record if you have one
extra game now, like even if a guy can rest
one more game or something like that, then Adrian Peterson
or Eric Diggerson had a chance to do like Saquon
has that as Like, I get it, But I do
also think that with the rule changes, even in basketball,
I mean, we've seen how the rule changes have led
to a spike in in scoring. So if you're even

(01:13:26):
on a scoring list now and you're playing in an
era where these rules weren't predominant or weren't didn't even exist,
then you're gonna look at it and be like, well,
if this guy knocks me down on the scoring list,
it's like, okay, cool, but I didn't have all these
beneficial rule changes for me to benefit from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
And so, okay, I guess the question, Uh huh. You
also have another running back that is very slightly behind
Barkley okay, and also has more touchdowns? Okay, does that
affect Lamar Jackson's MVP chances?

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
What was his team record?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
It's Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
No, because I think I love it you hit that.
I would say no because of the fact that you
coincide this performance Derrick Henry. Derek Henry be able to
do this with the Ravens. I think it's a testament
and Lamar still balling out as crazy as he did.

(01:14:33):
He is like Lamar is had on pace for more
touchdowns than he wasn't when he won MVP last year,
and that and that and that is a product of
his overall greatness. So I don't think that it's it's
Derek Henry. I think if more, if more people, if
you had to judge who was the bigger cog of
the team's success, I think more people would say Lamar
than Derrick Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
My question, I get that, my question. It's like, all right,
for example, like Takuon doesn't is Jalen Hurts, Who's like,
I mean, he's just okay. But it's like, so it's
a lot like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Takuon is the is the main focus of the office.
Without him, this offense does not work. Yeah, you know,
Jalen is fourteen and five okay, is numbers the same
thing with uh Josh Allen, Right, Josh Allen is the
is the main engine that the that drives the the bills.

(01:15:35):
Same thing with the golf, has a lot of like options,
and he kind of is a more balanced guy. That's
why I don't think, Yeah, he's kind of like the
dark words of it. Whereas like if Josh Allen falls off,
Saquon kind of slows down, Lamar's team kind of continues
to struggle. You'll see Jared Goff probably win it. But

(01:15:57):
like for the Ravens, they're in that that spot where
like your quarterback has been probably the best the second
best quarterback about that borrow of the season, and then
you have a running back who's also won pace for
two thousand yards and has more touchdowns than Saquon Barkley.
It's kind of like they pull. Do they pull vote

(01:16:18):
from each other? Basically?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
I don't think so. I think honestly, the biggest thing
pulling votes from Lamar right now is the Ravens ability
to win games. I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
I mean, was he was cursed this number one until
like just recently.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah, I honestly think that has overshadowed any talk of
it has worked in the reverse. Honestly, I think Derrick
Henry having this type of season would be notable if
he was the lead back, But him being behind Saquon
and the fact that Lamar is on his team, I
think is getting Derrick Henry overshadowed in a sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
It's only he's only like ninety yards bond. It's not
like he's a good gap.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I'm a hip, But I think that one of the
things that you look at is that Saquon this Eagles
team from a year ago. I think the Eagles were
playing very well a year ago, and then they fell
off a cliff right around this time last year, and
now you're seeing the difference is Saquon in terms of
how their their offense has been able to form it.

(01:17:27):
Like you noted, it's not like Jalen Hurts is playing
at some high level or anything like that. Jalen Hurts
is literally doing the job. And so when you're looking
at that that situation, you can see that Saquon is
literally the difference maker for that Eagles team and literally
still keeping them a flow atop the NFC alongside the Lions.

(01:17:48):
So I think that if without Saquon, the prospects of
this Eagles team look a lot different. Whereas with the Ravens,
even without even without Derek Henry last year, they're in
a similar they're still in a similar position than they
were last year, and Lamar is still playing, has even
playing has raised his level of play. And so that's

(01:18:08):
when there's a lot of x external circumstances, like Justin
Tucker just forgetting how to kick in some circumstances. Now,
I mean, that's essentially the reason why they lost last
week is Justin Tucker just couldn't. I think he left.
He left at least seven points on the board because
he missed two field goals in an extra point and
they lost by that. They lost by six.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I think. So I'm looking at right now, it's like
pretty much like every year, Like last year, the Ravens
were the number one rushing team. The year before that,
they were the number two. The year before that, they
were the number three, the year before that, they're back
at number one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
And that's the thing. It feels like naturally, just being
a part of the Ravens team. It's like you're you're
not gonna say that the running backs are the product
of the best rushing attack when you it's like a
title that's consistently given to them naturally because their quarterback
accounts for so many of those rushing yards.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't say it's the rushing yard.
It's just the threat of him being able. Like I
don't know how to quite describe it. It's like the
threat of him being able to run is like you
have to focus so much attention because if he breaks one,
it's like, yeah, he's going at a thirty yard game.
Yeah you know, but I was just looking at it.
So pretty much every year since Lamar has been the starter,

(01:19:29):
they've had a top three rushing the back, with multiple
years being number one. And it's like it's and again,
it's not like they have, you know, some dominant running
back each year. It's like they pretty much rotate out
guys every single year. They look like the first year
he's ever, I had like a legit dominant running back. Yeah,
and he's about to go over two thousand years old.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
So as of right now, I mean, who would you
pick to say is gonna is gonna be NFL MVP?
I just as as thinks it right now, right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I would say Josh Allen just because Lamar, I don't
think I don't think you can give it to a
guy in the wild or two things. I think the
two things that work against Lamar if he has two already,
he's in the wild card and Josh Allen hasn't won
one yet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think if Lamar's team,
like let's say, if you if you flip the record,
or if you even make the Ravens ten and two,
don't gotta flip the records if they were ten and two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
If they win their division, I think I think he
gets it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, if he can win his division, I think they
can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I don't know. I don't know if that's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
What's the record.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I think Steelers are nine ninety three. Yeah, I don't
I don't think that's enough. If he wins in the Vision,
it's a tip to him. But if the if the
Bills come out and they're like they finished season, what
like bro the Bills play fifteen or no, not fifteen.

(01:20:56):
I wouldn't say fifteen. Let's say they finished the season
fourteen and three. Almost the Speedul lose one more game
on the season.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Oh, they played, they play the Lions. They finished the
season out, so they're in the season is so as
I'm sorry, Like Bro, they get the Patriots, the Jets
and the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
That's what I'm saying. Okay, so we give them one
more loss, but they finished the season fourteen and three.
You're you're arguably going to have the second to second
best record in the AFC. You're right behind the y Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So I do think people will hold that against them
that they got to play, like what that's the hold. Secondly,
before I say this the second worst, no the worst conference, and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I said, the AFC South is making a lot of
noise to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
You right now, South speaking real out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
The thing it's hollering Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Six and six, the top two team, look at you,
that's some stinks in here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
That's a whole lot of what that has. Let me
tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Line Nah, I'm gonna say the NFC A s C
East because Bro, three and ten, three and nine, five
and seven, you got one team just beating up on
the other team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Basically, Yeah, I mean pretty much that's the South discussing
in the AFC North. Outside of the Steelers in the
It's weird because the Bengals are always a threat every
week because of the fact their offense can put up
just points like nothing. But the Bengals stink too. I

(01:22:40):
mean the Bengals think the Browns aren't great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
You know who plays you know who plays in a
good conference. Oh, Patrick Mams.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Bro give it up, just saying, you know, you're giving
voters way too much into like in context like contextual credit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Hold on, how do they finish it? How do they
finish their schedule out? All right? They play the Chargers
that they could lose that game. They played Browns dub
Texans dub Oh. Oh, I bugging, I'm bugging that might
be it. That's a tough one, Bro. I'm saying, I'm
gonna be so honest with you. If they finished this

(01:23:23):
schedule out with one more loss, there's gonna be conversations
to be had.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I'm gonna be so real, I'm telling you. Unless Patrick
Mahomes finds a way to throw twenty touchdowns in the
remaining games.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
There's no shot, very possible, the very possible.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
There's no shot, Bro, there's no shot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Bro. Give it up. He goes out at Steelers, Bro, I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Mean, zero interception, zero interceptions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
At Steelers, Conversations to be had.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Bro, He's gotta throw like twenty twenty touchdowns and zero
interceptions for the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Very you're acting like he can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I doubt it. I'm I'm a high doubt Listen, exactly, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
A long shot. I'm not saying like, oh, lock it in,
just saying he's like he's outside looking, he's outside people
through the window.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
He's outside people through the window, calling this man the grinch.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Bro. I'm just saying like he's like he's scouting. Like, Okay, Baltimore,
you're eight and five.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
You got.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Steelers Texans, and then you got Browns, which is a
rivalry game. You never know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Mm hmm, Okay, I mean Sakwon Barkley has a better
chance of winning than him. I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Oh wait, what was I mean? Right as of right now? Yes,
tak does have a better chance.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
I just now granted Saquon having to average one hundred
and twenty one rushing yards rest of the season is
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
But he listened. Last time last time he played he
played the Cowboys, he had fifty six. Last time he
played the Giants, he had seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Hey, bro, look they know that he's going for the record, though,
he goes by the feet on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Eagles are tight, Giant if I'm the Giants on the
last line of defense, putting kill in the box all games.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Hey, you hate her, Bro, you don't hit the record
on me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
You ain't getting the record on me. Bro, Cowboys and Giants,
you have nothing to play for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Bro, that's the funniest thing, you know. I remember when
the Vikings were trying, like they were running Adrian Peterson
at the end of that game, and he breaks one
run for like thirteen yards and everybody starts picking them
up thinking that he got it, and it was like
his last It was like the last opportunity for for
it to become like a natural flow of the game
running situation. They're picking him up and everything celebrating. Just

(01:26:11):
to find out my boy was eight yards short.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I was like, damn, so disgusting. Man eight yards short.
So that's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
It has to be Bro, Like you you every run
that you missed the cut or you missed like a
joke or something somewhere, it just pops in your mind
at that moment in time, Like, Bro, it's just oh,
that hurts. That hurts. Man eight yards.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
On top of that, they played the Steelers, who are
uh great defense again this year. Just saying I'm just saying,
got a chance, bro, Yeah he I'm not saying he
doesn't have. Is the only.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Braced the record?

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Is that where you're at he has?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, first of all that he has to break the record.
First of all, has to break the record. Mm hmm.
All I'm saying is if if you're a betman and
you want and you want some good odds, all I'm
saying is Patrick mahomeson right there. So I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Anyways, man, leave, don't let these people lose their money. Bro.
Don't follow him on that. Don't do not follow him
on that. But what you can't follow us on? What's
what's hey? Bro? Stop for Patrick to win the m
v P. But you're gonna make people lose the money man. Stop.
Let's oh gosh, bro, this is this is utter degeneracy.

(01:27:46):
Now where we're going, Bro, Patrick mahomes is on the periphery. Bro,
he's having outside the house that proas in the driveway
looking in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Right now. Got him fIF right now? All I'm saying
they got him fIF Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
If it's a far aways out from first, I tell
you that much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Say what you want. That's what I'm saying. It's listen.
I'm not saying drop the house on them. I'm just saying,
you know it's there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Man said, drop your grocery money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Run for got some extra poppet change. And you're like, man,
you know what I got? I can I'm trying to
throw I'm trying to throw a hail Mary. The thing's there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Hey bro, that's that's foul. Hey man, look I give
you something better to bet on. Guys, all right, Thursday
night football picks here. Okay, we got the Packers and
the Lions. One of the m VP candidates we're talking
about in this very situation, Jared Goff going up against
Oh gosh, my mouth. Oh wow, bro, you ever you

(01:28:49):
ever like you talk so long that your mouth gets
your mouth gets like just naturally dry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
No, really, I've never yeah that much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Hey bro, chill out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Why you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I'm hosting. It's like, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yourn your mouth?

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Hey bro, come on dog, Hey bro, just take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Man said, Oh man, man, I'm talking to someone. No, Bro,
that's you. That's all you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Bro'm hosting. Oh god, okay, Jordan Love and the Packers
against Jared goff in the Lions. Right now, the Lions
are sixty point four percent favorites per ESPN's matchup predictor
I've Go. According to ESPN Bet the month, the over
under is at fifty one and a half points. The
Lions are at minus one one fifteen odds to win.

(01:29:49):
The spreads at put minus tree on the Lions. The
odds on the minustere are one minus one twenty. The
puste on the Packers is it even? The money line
is plus one fifty on the Packers with minus one
seventy five on the Lions. So in this scenario, one,
who are you taking in this game? Are you gonna

(01:30:12):
go with the over under on the fifty one and
a half points? And then who are you are you taking?
And the over the over is minus one oh five
whereas the under is at minus one fifteen. So which
way are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Fifty one? Okay, fifty one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
And a half.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
This screens that this should be over fifty one, But
I guarantee it is some sloppy, disgusting like twenty four
to like twenty one kind of game. Mm hmmm, I'm
trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Like Thursday night football games are always tight games.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I'm saying, like it's the vision game. They took twenty
three against the Bears, they took twenty four against the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Lions are at home.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
I mean, like, if you're really looking at outside of
that explosion against the Jags, who suck, like twenty six
against Houston. It was twenty four to fourteen. Last time
they played like outside it like the genuinely just garbage teams,
Like they put fifty two against the Titans JV squad,

(01:31:41):
forty seven against the Cowboys and the only one that's
like really really good and the Seahawks aren't even that good,
but they took forty two. I'm not thinking I'm taking
a under.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, I mean even though in the last match of
what it was twenty four to fourteen, the Lions won
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
So yeah, definitely saying. I know the lines have they
have quite a few people out. I know they have
like three D lines and now they have like two
corners out I think, or they have a corner that's
out I think, and one that's questionable. But no, I
can't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
I can't see them Packers. Packers though last two games
put up thirty on the Dolphins, thirty eight on the forty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Nine Dolphins, not horribly impressed by that. And they put
thirty eight against the San France and not horribly they played.
They put up twenty against the Bears, they put thirty
against the Jags, twenty four against.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
The I don't know, I'm no, no, you're not taking
not biting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Fifty one and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Fifty one and a half is a lot of points.
I mean if both teams, realistically, if both teams, if
even one of them scores twenty eight and the other
scores like twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
That's what That's what I'm sucking. I'm honestly stuck at.
I'm like, they're gonna bes and get like it's gonna
be like twenty four to twenty seven or something like that,
which is still under But it's like, no, I'm confident
taking nundre on that. I'm actually confident taking an undre.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Because it's Thursday night football. That's what's making me like,
I don't know what it is, bro Thursday night football
just got some stink.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
I'll take the undure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Okay, Now, are you gonna take the who's spread?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Are you taking?

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Are you taking the plus three on the Packers or
the minus three on the Lions. Honestly, the spread is
so tight. I mean, if you felt like the Lions
were gonna win anyways, there's a good amount of flexibility
of a three point spread. But if you if you
have any doubt about the pack you pretty much might

(01:33:44):
as well feel as though the Packers are gonna also win,
because with a plus three spread, and it's even, it's
even on the odds. So on a plus three spread,
you really don't have much of a margin to lose by,
and you pretty much got it either your team has
to win, are you, I mean, you only can lose
by a field goal. I think the Packers you'll take

(01:34:06):
the plus.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Three, Yeah, I think I take the package.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Okay, And would you would you take that money line
at plus one fifty? I mean, if you're taking the package, yeah,
I guess you're taking the money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Line, Okay, Yeah, definitely, That's what I'm saying. Like, I
don't know, Lions last two games not not horribly defense.
I mean he sucked. That's the problem, the Colt sucking.
The Bears suck.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Yeah, the lines have had close calls the last two games,
Like realistically, last game rather, but that Bears game.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Even the Bears have last last three four.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
No, I mean they they whopped the Jaguars. But the
Texans gamers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Say they played the Textives and they had to come
back and win that game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
They did that Bears game. It took an epic amount
of collapse in terms of of clock management for them
to even lose that one where the Bears essentially get.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
And they lapsed at in the end of the fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
They did. They did. So the Lions are like, I
don't know, man, their their their record and everything is
pretty and I when they when they when they've been dominant,
they've been dominant, but there's times here where you're seeing
like a little bit of lapses in the armor. But granted,
I could make the same argument about the Chiefs because
the Chiefs have also had these moments here where they're
escaping games on blackfield goals.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
That the Chiefs are like are like the most fraudulent
eleven and one team we've seen it in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
I don't think anybody like actually like believes in the Chiefs.
This is like the one year that people don't believe
in the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I don't know, I think there's a difference between believing
in the Chiefs, like for Patrick Ohols to win the MVP,
versus believing in the Chiefs to get back to the
Super Bowl. Nah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
I mean, I'm just talking about in general, like I think,
I think I've seen most people are poo poo and
the fact that the Chiefs are loving and one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Oh wow, okay, all right, well I will take This
is such a trap game, but I could definitely see
the Packers. It is by far a trap game, but
I could definitely see the Packers going into Fordfield and
beating the Lions on Thursday night. The Lions, look, they

(01:36:29):
won their first Thanksgiving Day game and lord knows how long.
And so now you come back the following Thursday night, bro,
and it's just set up. It's set up their right
for him. The over under, I'm gonna take the under two.
I don't trust it. The money line. I'm gonna take
the Packers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
The Packers are also three four seven and one in
their last eight. Their last two wins have looked good.
I mean, they beat again, they beat the forty nine ers,
who have like pretty much cardon out like people from
history close and then they beat they they beat the

(01:37:08):
Dolphins in the solid team. Yeah, so it's like, you know,
I feel like they're writing a little bit better momentum
into this game.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
So I'm like, no, I feel that I'm right there
with you. I am right there with you. Okay, I'll
take their money line as well. I'll take the under.
Now the spread, Yeah, I mean I pretty much have
to take the Packers spread because of the fact that,
I mean it's plus three and I think they're gonna win,
So I'll take that spread. All right. Well, okay, guys,
that's our Thursday night football predictions. Of course, if you

(01:37:36):
guys want to follow on those, go ahead, feel comfortable
in doing so. Don't bet on Patrick Mahome to an MVP.
I'll tell you that right now, unless you want to
lose your money.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
It said. It's just you know what, I would love
to come back and visit this and at the end
of this season.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
If he wins the MVP, I'll let you do a
whole ten minute gloating tour about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
I just I want you to just replay me saying
that you should bet on back to Homes and just
I just want you to realize how many people lost
money because they want you wanted to just not give
it a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
They relax. Man's trying to give people just still flyer
out there, just just you know, just put.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
A good If you've got pocket change, why not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
In this economy, man, pocket change is hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
I seen, I've seen what people posted on their parlace.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
It ain't worse than that. You're not wrong, You're not wrong,
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