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Speaker 4 (01:28):
Welcome to the Jeff Laurie and Nick Show. And we
are in the midst of an election here in the
state of Ohio, and there is an issue on the
November ballot. It is Issue one, and today we have
a great guest here to talk about Issue one and
the reasons why we should vote no on this Issue
(01:51):
one this November. Our guest this morning is Taiji Turner,
and he is the founder of Collegiate Conservative Coalition and
he's gonna tell us about what he's doing and why
we should vote know and just moving forward, how detrimental
this is to the state of Ohio and the electorate.
(02:13):
Good morning, Taiji, How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
How you doing doing Just great? Taji, give us a
little bit of your background. Tell us how you know.
You're a young man and you've been involved out here,
heard about you so much, and it's just a wonderful
to have you as a guest hearer this morning. I
know that you've done so much. Give us a little
bit of your background.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So I am a young man from East Cleveland, Ohio.
I'm a Beechwood resident, and yeah, I'm a conservative. I'm
here to stand on first principles and take this country back.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's awesome being a young man growing up in East Cleveland, Ohio.
Just a great city, a lot of history there. Can
you tell us about this vote? How did you get
involved with this? And you might want to tell us
a little bit about the collegiate Conservative coalition as well.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, So to keep things short because it's a lot
to unpact there Issue one voting. Know, for me, it's
just it's just staying true to history, all right. So
when we talk about Issue one to people as conservatives,
we have to understand exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's a Redistrict and Commission.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's it's a well, it's an it's a policy that
wants an amendment for a Redistrict and Commission of unelected
bureaucrats that are not going to be accountable to us
because we didn't elect them.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They're appointed.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And as far as what we do as Collegiate Conservative
Coalition to CCC, we we always advocate for policy reform
and policy literacy, so you have to be literate about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And we set up.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Tables that say, ask you why I'm a concern, We
talk about Issue one. We try to get people to
understand the brevity of the situation, and yeah, we try
to make stuff shape.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
We try to make it shape. I don't know if
that answers your question, but I did the best I
could there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No, it does. And you know, Issue one is on
the ballot in Ohio. And the interesting thing is the
reason we're voting no is because the current plan that
is in place right now passed with more than seventy
four percent approval by the voters of Ohio. So why
(04:36):
are we going back to this issue? Why are we
trying to re undo what the people voted for?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Because people in power are very selfish, and this is
a clear example of that, where our democratic process is
being undermined and check on power is being lost. We
we we we have a strict process. It's a fragile process,
and we can see historically that whenever we have allowed
(05:07):
people in power to dictate things behind closed doors, minorities
are the ones that end up with the short end
of the stick.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's a good point. I hadn't really thought about that,
But yes, this is this does affect minority representation and
could you speak to that. I'm aware of this, but
can you speak to us, tell us, tell our audience,
how does this affect uh black districts?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
District?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So first of all, you have to understand we have
three black congressmen, all right, and the Ohio in the
state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And what we have to understand is whenever you read
draw lines, when you read district things, the constituency changes, okay,
And when that constituency changes, there's a chance that that
black representation can be lost. So this is a tactic
that was used in the Gimcro era of America, where
black people were intentionally disenfranchised through the exact same means.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So it's a pattern here and.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm not gonna tell us to look at the color
the people that have done this, and by color, I
don't mean race, I mean party, you know. But but
but there is a pattern here and there's something to
be unpacked there as far as black people in our
relationship to that color.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, that's what very well said, and that I like
the way you hammered that home. We have three black
congressional disc well, three congressional districts that are represented by
African Americans or blacks, and I think that with any changes,
those fragile districts could easily be not represented by the
(06:51):
current congressional representatives that they have, So any changes to
that would kind of again, you know, prevent minority representation
in the three districts we get end up. You know,
African Americans could definitely end up losing a district or
two or three. So voting no would prevent any changes.
(07:15):
And again I think that's really that's another reason to
definitely vote no. And you know, the current plan again
was passed with almost seventy five percent approval. It was
exactly seventy four and some change percent.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You know, the funny thing is about this whole thing
we talk about black representation being stripped away through bureaucratic process,
I mean that is by definition systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And so we cry about the system, we cry about racism.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We and we're right to do so because we do
experiences experience a lot of tragedy and hardship. But then
in the same token, we're not being educated and not
being careful with how we're voting and what we're actually
voting for. So this is sort of a call to
any black listener to understand that a vote yes on
(08:13):
Issue one is a vote for systemic racism.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Absolutely. Issue one eliminates the anti jerrymandering restrictions that were
mandated by voters back in twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen.
So you know, voters again have voted on this. You
know they don't want jerry mandering districts. So if this
(08:41):
were to pass, if people were to vote yes on
Issue one, we are basically voting for jerry mander districts
that can look like snakes and include all kinds of
areas that have districts that just don't make sense when
you look at it geographically. So we're encouraging our listeners
(09:06):
and our audience to vote no. It's a it's again
we've already voted to stop jerry manderin so what we
have in place now has again been approved by voters.
It needs to stay, so vote no. And Taji, you
might want to address some other issues.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Of this, yeah, I mean so with the CCC, we're
trying to really push it big on the college campuses
here in northeast Ohio, specifically at Cleveland State University. Whenever
we do voter registration again, we're going to be attacking
ballot issues as well. This is one of those things
that hit hard for me because when you look at
what the Jimcrow era of America did, they did it
(09:49):
through these sort of redistrict and commissions.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And so as long as that pattern exists for me
and I can spot it out, I'm understanding that they
want to use us like chess pieces on the chessboard.
They want to use us like pawns on the chess board.
And doctor Thomas Soul actually calls that the chess piece
of fallacy. He explains it way better than I'm doing
right now. But we just have to be careful with
this stuff and educate our friends, educate our neighbors, love
(10:13):
our neighbors so that we can make sure that we're
not institute reinstituting is something that was already already you know,
detrimental to black people.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Tazi, there's another issue aside to this, what about accountability.
You know, that's very important. We keep talking about accountability transparency,
but issue one would remove accountability from Ohio's redistricting process.
Can you talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, I think that's part of the problem in American
government as a whole, accountability. And when you look at
the poor, poor, ast black cities, the ones with the
most crime, a lot of the leaders have been in
leadership for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And so I think to willingly.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Vote for somebody to be able to sit in power
and get rich and have success and scam the people,
I think that that is just a weird thing to do.
I like to be able to hold my politicians accountable.
I like to be able to tell them when they're wrong.
(11:23):
I like to be able to vote them out. My
ancestors fought hard for our right to vote. So the
fact that I'm not going to be able to vote
these members of this redistricting commission out, that is a
problem for me. Is undemocratic and quite frankly, and may
even be unconstitutional.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Absolutely right now, we elect members to represent us by
voting yes. If people voted yes, they're basically given away
their right for fair representation. So it's imperative that you
vote no so that you can hold your elected officials
(12:02):
who you vote for, accountable to drawing district lines. Again,
accountability is incredibly important in all of this, and the
decision makers would all be unelected officials. So this is
not what we need in government and doesn't serve our
(12:24):
best interests.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, and I just would like to oppose a question,
what reason do we have to trust the government to
do the right thing behind closed doors? Even if you
want to go far back to the Civil Rights Act
in nineteen sixty four and Lenda B. Johnson's rationale for
signing it. What he said was he said that he
(12:46):
would have those in words voting one way for the
foreseeable future as a phrase. But I just want to
be very clear on that. The reason why I'm bringing
that up is because we don't really have a and
to trust these politicians and what they do behind closed doors.
So we need to be able to scrutinize them and
(13:07):
push them out. And so when we talk about accountability,
that's a hard it's a hard pill to swallow that
people may be voting for a group of unelected bureaucrats
with no accountability.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
A commission, yeah, commission, And we don't need another commission
set up. We need our elected officials to do their
job like we voted back in twenty fifteen, twenty eighteen,
and the plate, the current system that passed with seventy
four again, seventy four percent approval of the voters in
(13:41):
Ohio needs to stay in place. Just get them to
do their job. We don't need a commission set up
with no accountability. And that commission would actually force the
map makers to jerrymander because they would have to include
(14:03):
people with different interests across the state into one group,
and it would make them remove compact dis districts like
we have now with voters with all similar interests. So
we've got to vote no, and it's in the best interest.
There's no accountable accountability. It's a not elected, it's a
(14:27):
non elected, non elected commission, and it's not fair. So
we need to vote no in November on Issue one.
Closing words, Taji Turner, We're glad to have you here,
and I think you've unpacked quite a bit. What are
some other thoughts final thoughts on why we should vote
(14:47):
no on Issue one.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Hey man, big government is big racism. That's just how
it is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
We don't need no redistrict and commission. We need the
government to get out of the way the stability. Stability
does not come from people being mandated to j mander,
which is always hurt black people since the beginning of time.
If you don't believe me, just go read, just go
do the history. Just type in gim pro laws and
(15:14):
really and really do a comparative analysis on what's what.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Thank you so much, ty as you turned. This was
very important, very it's a critical issue for Ohioan's that
it's imperative that we vote no this November on Issue one.
Vote no on Issue one prevent theft the minority representation
in our elections and drawing maps. So this is so important, redistricting,
(15:46):
drawing the maps, our representation is all at stake right now.
So we've got we cannot remove accountability to the voters
of Ohio. We've the voters in Ohio spoke overwhelmingly in
twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen with the current plan for
(16:08):
the current plan of redistricting. So again to our voters,
to our audience, I want to ask you to just
do the right thing. Vote, know what issue won. So
glad to have you this morning, Tizi Turner, keep fighting
the good fight for our audience. Remember, let's all do
better and thank you God bless you all. Remember vote,
(16:31):
take someone else out to vote, know what issue want.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network,
where Real Talk lives. Visitors online at fcbpodcasts dot com.
FCB Faith is your rhythm and prey station.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I listen, my mom listens, pretty much the whole family.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I cannot, I cannot.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I canna said, don't, don't and no, don't. Listen to
(00:56):
FCB Faith on iHeartRadio, Odyssey at faith dot com, or
tell your smart speaker to play FCB Faith on iHeartRadio.
The following is a presentation of FCB Faith. This is
(01:24):
the Jeff Glory in Nickshow.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Welcome to the Jeff Laurie and Nick Show. And we
are in the midst of an election here in the
state of Ohio, and there is an issue on the
November ballot. It is Issue one, and today we have
a great guest here to talk about Issue one and
the reasons why we should vote no on this Issue
(01:51):
one this November. Our guest this morning is Taiji Turner,
and he is the founder of Collegiate Conservative Coalition and
he's gonna tell us about what he's doing and why
we should vote know and just moving forward, how detrimental
this is to the state of Ohio and the electorate.
(02:13):
Good morning, Taiji, How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
How you doing doing Just great? Taji, give us a
little bit of your background. Tell us how you know.
You're a young man and you've been involved out here,
heard about you so much, and it's just a wonderful
to have you as a guest hearer this morning. I
know that you've done so much. Give us a little
bit of your background.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So I am a young man from East Cleveland, Ohio.
I'm a Beechwood resident, and yeah, I'm a conservative. I'm
here to stand on first principles and take this country back.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's awesome being a young man growing up in East Cleveland, Ohio.
Just a great city, a lot of history there. Can
you tell us about this vote? How did you get
involved with this? And you might want to tell us
a little bit about the collegiate Conservative coalition as well.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, So to keep things short because it's a lot
to unpact there Issue one voting. Know, for me, it's
just it's just staying true to history, all right. So
when we talk about Issue one to people as conservatives,
we have to understand exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's a Redistrict and Commission.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's it's a well, it's an it's a policy that
wants an amendment for a Redistrict and Commission of unelected
bureaucrats that are not going to be accountable to us
because we didn't elect them.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They're appointed.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And as far as what we do as Collegiate Conservative
Coalition to CCC, we we always advocate for policy reform
and policy literacy, so you have to be literate about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And we set up.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Tables that say, ask you why I'm a concern, We
talk about Issue one. We try to get people to
understand the brevity of the situation, and yeah, we try
to make stuff shape.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
We try to make it shape. I don't know if
that answers your question, but I did the best I
could there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No, it does. And you know, Issue one is on
the ballot in Ohio. And the interesting thing is the
reason we're voting no is because the current plan that
is in place right now passed with more than seventy
four percent approval by the voters of Ohio. So why
(04:36):
are we going back to this issue? Why are we
trying to re undo what the people voted for?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Because people in power are very selfish, and this is
a clear example of that, where our democratic process is
being undermined and check on power is being lost. We
we we we have a strict process. It's a fragile process,
and we can see historically that whenever we have allowed
(05:07):
people in power to dictate things behind closed doors, minorities
are the ones that end up with the short end
of the stick.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's a good point. I hadn't really thought about that,
But yes, this is this does affect minority representation and
could you speak to that. I'm aware of this, but
can you speak to us, tell us, tell our audience,
how does this affect uh black districts?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
District?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So first of all, you have to understand we have
three black congressmen, all right, and the Ohio in the
state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And what we have to understand is whenever you read
draw lines, when you read district things, the constituency changes, okay,
And when that constituency changes, there's a chance that that
black representation can be lost. So this is a tactic
that was used in the Gimcro era of America, where
black people were intentionally disenfranchised through the exact same means.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So it's a pattern here and.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm not gonna tell us to look at the color
the people that have done this, and by color, I
don't mean race, I mean party, you know. But but
but there is a pattern here and there's something to
be unpacked there as far as black people in our
relationship to that color.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, that's what very well said, and that I like
the way you hammered that home. We have three black
congressional disc well, three congressional districts that are represented by
African Americans or blacks, and I think that with any changes,
those fragile districts could easily be not represented by the
(06:51):
current congressional representatives that they have, So any changes to
that would kind of again, you know, prevent minority representation
in the three districts we get end up. You know,
African Americans could definitely end up losing a district or
two or three. So voting no would prevent any changes.
(07:15):
And again I think that's really that's another reason to
definitely vote no. And you know, the current plan again
was passed with almost seventy five percent approval. It was
exactly seventy four and some change percent.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You know, the funny thing is about this whole thing
we talk about black representation being stripped away through bureaucratic process,
I mean that is by definition systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And so we cry about the system, we cry about racism.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We and we're right to do so because we do
experiences experience a lot of tragedy and hardship. But then
in the same token, we're not being educated and not
being careful with how we're voting and what we're actually
voting for. So this is sort of a call to
any black listener to understand that a vote yes on
(08:13):
Issue one is a vote for systemic racism.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Absolutely. Issue one eliminates the anti jerrymandering restrictions that were
mandated by voters back in twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen.
So you know, voters again have voted on this. You
know they don't want jerry mandering districts. So if this
(08:41):
were to pass, if people were to vote yes on
Issue one, we are basically voting for jerry mander districts
that can look like snakes and include all kinds of
areas that have districts that just don't make sense when
you look at it geographically. So we're encouraging our listeners
(09:06):
and our audience to vote no. It's a it's again
we've already voted to stop jerry manderin so what we
have in place now has again been approved by voters.
It needs to stay, so vote no. And Taji, you
might want to address some other issues.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Of this, yeah, I mean so with the CCC, we're
trying to really push it big on the college campuses
here in northeast Ohio, specifically at Cleveland State University. Whenever
we do voter registration again, we're going to be attacking
ballot issues as well. This is one of those things
that hit hard for me because when you look at
what the Jimcrow era of America did, they did it
(09:49):
through these sort of redistrict and commissions.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And so as long as that pattern exists for me
and I can spot it out, I'm understanding that they
want to use us like chess pieces on the chessboard.
They want to use us like pawns on the chess board.
And doctor Thomas Soul actually calls that the chess piece
of fallacy. He explains it way better than I'm doing
right now. But we just have to be careful with
this stuff and educate our friends, educate our neighbors, love
(10:13):
our neighbors so that we can make sure that we're
not institute reinstituting is something that was already already you know,
detrimental to black people.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Tazi, there's another issue aside to this, what about accountability.
You know, that's very important. We keep talking about accountability transparency,
but issue one would remove accountability from Ohio's redistricting process.
Can you talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, I think that's part of the problem in American
government as a whole, accountability. And when you look at
the poor, poor, ast black cities, the ones with the
most crime, a lot of the leaders have been in
leadership for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And so I think to willingly.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Vote for somebody to be able to sit in power
and get rich and have success and scam the people,
I think that that is just a weird thing to do.
I like to be able to hold my politicians accountable.
I like to be able to tell them when they're wrong.
(11:23):
I like to be able to vote them out. My
ancestors fought hard for our right to vote. So the
fact that I'm not going to be able to vote
these members of this redistricting commission out, that is a
problem for me. Is undemocratic and quite frankly, and may
even be unconstitutional.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Absolutely right now, we elect members to represent us by
voting yes. If people voted yes, they're basically given away
their right for fair representation. So it's imperative that you
vote no so that you can hold your elected officials
(12:02):
who you vote for, accountable to drawing district lines. Again,
accountability is incredibly important in all of this, and the
decision makers would all be unelected officials. So this is
not what we need in government and doesn't serve our
(12:24):
best interests.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, and I just would like to oppose a question,
what reason do we have to trust the government to
do the right thing behind closed doors? Even if you
want to go far back to the Civil Rights Act
in nineteen sixty four and Lenda B. Johnson's rationale for
signing it. What he said was he said that he
(12:46):
would have those in words voting one way for the
foreseeable future as a phrase. But I just want to
be very clear on that. The reason why I'm bringing
that up is because we don't really have a and
to trust these politicians and what they do behind closed doors.
So we need to be able to scrutinize them and
(13:07):
push them out. And so when we talk about accountability,
that's a hard it's a hard pill to swallow that
people may be voting for a group of unelected bureaucrats
with no accountability.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
A commission, yeah, commission, And we don't need another commission
set up. We need our elected officials to do their
job like we voted back in twenty fifteen, twenty eighteen,
and the plate, the current system that passed with seventy
four again, seventy four percent approval of the voters in
(13:41):
Ohio needs to stay in place. Just get them to
do their job. We don't need a commission set up
with no accountability. And that commission would actually force the
map makers to jerrymander because they would have to include
(14:03):
people with different interests across the state into one group,
and it would make them remove compact dis districts like
we have now with voters with all similar interests. So
we've got to vote no, and it's in the best interest.
There's no accountable accountability. It's a not elected, it's a
(14:27):
non elected, non elected commission, and it's not fair. So
we need to vote no in November on Issue one.
Closing words, Taji Turner, We're glad to have you here,
and I think you've unpacked quite a bit. What are
some other thoughts final thoughts on why we should vote
(14:47):
no on Issue one.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Hey man, big government is big racism. That's just how
it is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
We don't need no redistrict and commission. We need the
government to get out of the way the stability. Stability
does not come from people being mandated to j mander,
which is always hurt black people since the beginning of time.
If you don't believe me, just go read, just go
do the history. Just type in gim pro laws and
(15:14):
really and really do a comparative analysis on what's what.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Thank you so much, ty as you turned. This was
very important, very it's a critical issue for Ohioan's that
it's imperative that we vote no this November on Issue one.
Vote no on Issue one prevent theft the minority representation
in our elections and drawing maps. So this is so important, redistricting,
(15:46):
drawing the maps, our representation is all at stake right now.
So we've got we cannot remove accountability to the voters
of Ohio. We've the voters in Ohio spoke overwhelmingly in
twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen with the current plan for
(16:08):
the current plan of redistricting. So again to our voters,
to our audience, I want to ask you to just
do the right thing. Vote, know what issue won. So
glad to have you this morning, Tizi Turner, keep fighting
the good fight for our audience. Remember, let's all do
better and thank you God bless you all. Remember vote,
(16:31):
take someone else out to vote, know what issue want.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
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where Real Talk lives. Visitors online at fcbpodcasts dot com.
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