September 1, 2025 • 67 mins
Grace Calpus is coming out about her ET Contact with a Mantid publicly for the first time.
Grace a professional International Coach Federation certified coach,
coach supervisor, trainer, and trained clairvoyant.
Having had ET experiences most of her life, Grace is just now learning to befriend her ET guides, working with them to promote her own spiritual shifts.
She currently trains coaches in unlocking and maximizing their intuition in their coaching sessions, while also staying within ICF professional standards of coaching.
Grace helps coaches learn how to hear, process, and use their intuition to gain clarity for her clients. She has developed a new course called Third Eye Coach Development, training for coaches who want to use reliable and accurate intuition on demand in the coaching sessions.
Grace is an experienced sky diver, too.
https://www.insightadvantageprogram.com/
planetsev.com
sev@planetsev.com
Grace a professional International Coach Federation certified coach,
coach supervisor, trainer, and trained clairvoyant.
Having had ET experiences most of her life, Grace is just now learning to befriend her ET guides, working with them to promote her own spiritual shifts.
She currently trains coaches in unlocking and maximizing their intuition in their coaching sessions, while also staying within ICF professional standards of coaching.
Grace helps coaches learn how to hear, process, and use their intuition to gain clarity for her clients. She has developed a new course called Third Eye Coach Development, training for coaches who want to use reliable and accurate intuition on demand in the coaching sessions.
Grace is an experienced sky diver, too.
https://www.insightadvantageprogram.com/
planetsev.com
sev@planetsev.com
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Cosmic consciousness, extraterrestrials and UFOs, sacred geometry, ancient civilization's.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Spiritual connection, the quantum universe, all of these topics and
so much more with your host seb talk on Alien
Spirit with Sef.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello, I'm Sev and welcome to Alien Spirit. I have
a very special guest today. I've known her for a
couple of years, Katie Paige. Katie has personal ties to
a high strangeness ranch in Colorado, now known as the
Rocky Mountain Ranch. In UFO folklore, it was known as
(00:52):
the Clearview Ranch and it predates the infamous skin Walker
Ranch by over a decade. This motivated her interests in
You Areology to find answers to her experiences and to
uncover the truth about what was happening there. She is
now CEO of Rocky Mountain Ranch Research and is a
co host on the UAP Studies podcast. Katie can be
(01:16):
seen on History Channels Beyond Skinwalker and I watch both
episodes and I loved it and I got goosebumps. And
we're going to talk about why Travel Channels, UFO Witness
guyas Beyond Belief with George Nori Small Town Monsters on
the trail of UFO's Night Visitors and their new series
(01:37):
UFOs Revisited, as well as Ron James' film Accidental Truth.
Katie conducts independent investigations and research through her Rocky Mountain
Ranch Research Foundation. She has been a presenter at several
conferences and has appeared on many radio shows and podcasts,
including Coast to Coast with George Knapp and Spaced Out Radio.
(02:01):
Katie is the author of Letters of Love and Light,
four decades of UFO Encounters, experiences and sightings shared with
uithologist are Leo Spinkle. She is writing her second book,
The Rocky Mountain Ranch Crafts, Cattle, Cryptids, and Cover Ups.
Katie holds a Bachelor of Science and Visual Communication. Welcome
(02:26):
Katie Page.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Thanks for having me, sev so great to be here.
It's great to be here. That second book, I feel
like it's never going to get finished, but I know
that you and I have this in common where we
believe in everything happening for its reason, in due time,
synchronicities and all that. And I feel like started working
on that book years ago, and then Beyond Skinwalker came about,
(02:49):
and now I have all these new experiences that so
it's been on this back burner for years and years.
I feel like I keep you like another year's gone by.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I feel the same way because me to write my
second book for several years now, and I keep changing
my mind. The longer I wait, the more I keep
changing my mind about what I knowed about. All Right, Katie,
let's start from when you were a little girl. Oh yeah,
start yeah, So what's where did you grow up? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I was born in Illinois actually, so this is kind
of cool because I typically don't start that far back.
But what's interesting. You know, as you know, families do
around Thanksgiving and holidays, you have these kind of things,
these stories or things you talk about. And through the years,
I heard about my grandfather, actually my dad's father, having
(03:43):
a sighting in Wisconsin because they lived in Wisconsin over
Lake Como of an oblong shaped craft and it was
actually investigated by Jay Allen Heinek. So small world there
and then going we had travel from Illinois back to
Wisconsin quite often see my grandparents. And we were crossing
the border from Wisconsin in to Illinois in a town
(04:05):
called Richmond, which is sort of close to the border there,
and we also saw how to close encounter with an
oblong shaped craft and my mom pulls the car over.
She said it was about the size of a billboard, so,
you know, rather small, which kind of reminds me of
these tic tac sightings perhaps, But she said I was
pretty small at that time, under the age of two.
(04:27):
And she said, once we got back on the road,
you know the lines in the middle of the road,
she said, I was like catatonic, Like I was just
like hypnotized. After that, they were like, Katie, katy, Katie,
let's come out of it. And so that was sort
of the first kind of experience and then you fass forward.
We moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy I had some
(04:48):
traumatic events with a half brother who you know, it
was an arsonist and things like that. But we don't
need to get into that yet unless we talk about
the trauma connection, because I think there's a trauma connection
to some of this, or at least at the very
least out of body experience. As people who can ask
her travel and what I think they tie into something.
We could talk about that here in a while. So
I had that going on, but and then you know,
(05:09):
in nineteen seventy five, my mom started dating a gentleman.
She was a key punch operator for United Airlines at
their training center in the Tech Center in Colorado. That's
why we moved from Illinois to Colorado. And she met
a gentleman who had this ranch in Colorado. And this
was the time Linda molten Howe was out there. She
was an investigated journalist. At the time, we had hundreds
(05:33):
of mutilations going on, so that's where Linda got her
start kind of out there in Milburt County. This went
on for three years from the height of it, should
I say, seventy five, seventy six, seventy seven into seventy eight.
And even though my sister and I and my mom
didn't live on this ranch property full time, the people
that my mom's boyfriend at the time had three sons.
(05:53):
The two younger sons lived with us during the week
to attended bigger school district, which was the Cherry Creek
School district instead of the small little country school, you know.
And so we would travel back and forth to the
ranch and sometimes spend weekend days out there. And every
time we went out there, really unusual things were happening.
And on top of that, We always heard the adults
talking because you know, I'm nine, ten, eleven years old
(06:13):
at this time, and you know, we heard the adults
talking about police being called and cattle mutilations happening and
other strange things. And fast forward all these years later,
after you know, get married, raise a family, these questions
kind of never leave you, Like what was all that
I was experiencing? And that's why I'm here today. You know,
(06:34):
like so many of us, we start out just wanting
to answer our own questions to our own experiences.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
There you are as a little girl, such a pretty
little girl, still pretty, So these are all the things
that you were going through as a little girl.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, And you know what's interesting about that is,
like so many of us, I compartmentalized a lot of
these different experience I was having because even though I
experienced things physically at the Rocky Mountain ranch, I lived at.
Our house was forty five minutes away from the ranch property,
and at that house, I was experiencing these tall shadow
(07:12):
figures next to my bread. I always slept with Big sister.
I was always afraid, you know, checking the closet, checking
under the bed, move the bed up against the wall,
always had to sleep with Big Sister to protect me.
I always felt a sense of being watched so much so,
like walking back and forth to elementary school. Motorcycles were
particularly terrifying to me because they could travel up on
(07:36):
the grass. I was so afraid all the time of
being taken that I if a car drove by, I
would walk up to the nearest house as if I
lived there, and I pretended to live there. And that
went on for decades with me, that sense of being
watched and paranormal things happening. So I compartmentalize these different things,
you know, into boxes, you know, the sasquatches over here,
(07:59):
the ghosts are we're here, shadow figure, I don't know
what that is over there, you know, and all that
kind of stuff. And it really wasn't until that second book,
Skinwalker's at the Pentagon, where they kind of talk about
the hitchhiker effect of people that are on these high
strangers locations like Skinwalker Ranch that have this like this
(08:19):
phenomenon kind of follow you. But that being said, I
would love to know your opinion on this kind of
trauma disassociation piece which I've been researching lately, and people
who can disassociate, which I did when I was a
young girl, seemed to tap into something and that actually
connects you no matter where you are, as an energy
(08:40):
form or as a spirit being, that is with you,
and I find that to be the case. Do you
find that as well with the experiencers you.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Work with the disassociation Yeah, yes, yeah, although looking back
on my life, I don't recall any trauma. Maybe my
trauma was coming here as a little girl and not
knowing the language. Maybe that was traumatic for me and
I didn't realize it. I do think that's one of
(09:10):
the reasons that my psychic abilities were strengthened, because I
was just trying to figure out what people were saying,
and so I learned how to read their energy so
I can figure out what was being said.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, that's a good point because when you hyper focus
and whether you have like an alcoholic parent, I mean
my dad, you know, you never knew what Dad was
going to be walking through that door at the end
of the day, So you do learn to read subtleties
in people's energy. It feels when you're young, and I
think moving to a new country where you don't speak
(09:44):
the language and you are having to read people. And
then also you know that when you have a near
death experience or something like that and you disassociate. I
think those at least that's in my research. I've known
almost every person I talked to how some sort of
form of piece, you know, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That's a very interesting piece, like you're trying to just
leave the current situation and you go into the other
dimensions and then make friends there. Yeah, right, okay, let's
talk about the episodes that you were on Beyond Skinwalker
Ranch in season one, episode three, Rocky Mountain Ranch and
(10:23):
season two The Landing Site, episode five. They wanted you
to come back because the first show was so good. Okay, okay,
Oh my gosh, I'm getting tingly all over again. All right,
So there were a few things in the season number
one show, episode three, when you talked, when they responded
(10:45):
to your voice, Oh my gosh, I got goosebumps. And
also those prints in the snow, I know, what is that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So okay, So first thing, first, that episode was the
very first time I stepped foot back on that property
since I was a little girl, and so like behind
the scenes kind of thing, you know, they film with
you for a whole week and they're getting it down
to like forty four minutes an episode or whatever, so
(11:18):
you don't know what's going to make the episode and
what's not going to make the episode. And I just
remember having all this anxiety, like, well, all this happened
so many decades ago, Like what if I get there
and A I haven't talked to the people that now
own the ranch, which purchased it from the family that
I was connected to, so they've you know, lived there
for thirty plus years, and I didn't know how they
(11:39):
were going to respond to learning the history of their property.
So that made me nervous Number one. Number two, I
didn't know if the place was still active or not active.
I didn't know what i'd remember what I wouldn't remember.
And as I pull up to the gate to go
on to the property, it's getting dusk, and I just
remember panicking, like I don't want to get up there
and it's already dark, because I want to see and
(12:02):
most importantly like visiting. I was in Laughlin and went
to the Blind Frog Ranch and I was with Dwayne
Olenger in them, and I wanted to feel the energy
there as compared to how I felt as a young girl,
because when you experience that feeling to be in watch
that that eurie. I mean, it was a scary time
for me, you know, that feeling intimately right. I lived
(12:25):
with it for so many years, and I knew if
I went back to blind Frog, if I would feel
that same kind of energy again, and I did not.
It actually felt very good and positive there. Not to
say that the Rocky Mountain ranch is necessarily negative, but
it was definitely different. So I wanted to feel that
when I went back with Beyond Beyond Skinwalker that first time,
(12:46):
and thankfully, you know, it was just enough light. I
knew the house was in the same place, but it
was a little confusing to me because they had added
an addition out to both sides and out to the front.
So I thought they just leveled the old old house
that I remember from when I was a kid, but
they actually built around it, so the original house is
(13:08):
still there. And so when they did that radio with
the crystal radio experiment, they put that radio in the
old part of the house, and that's where we had
the most terrifying night on that ranch with this disembodied
electrical voice. So one of the very first things that
happened when they purchased this property is they would hear
hum sounds and like bangs underground where there's nothing underground,
(13:32):
which begs a question were they tunneling? What are these
hum sounds? And what's fascinating to me too, is why
they're filming. They're out there by the cistern with the
current owners of the property. And unfortunately after they filmed
season one, Greg lost his wife, Chris, who was in
that episode, so the second episode is dedicated to her,
(13:52):
and I think it's fantastic she's in that first episode,
so we could see Chris and that. But they're out
there and you hear that hum sound and it on
for quite a while and they were able to capture that.
So that was really cool because it's identical to what
I remember hearing when I was younger. But anytime this
hum sound would come up, unusual things would happen around
the ranch property. And so one night it was so
(14:13):
the mother's father, who my mom was dating, and their mother,
Betty there. All the adults are now passed that were
there at the time, Jack, Betty, and John and my
mother they're all four past now, and my mom was
dating Jack and Betty, the boys's mother was dating John
(14:34):
and John Jack and Betty owned the property together. But
we were there with the boys celebrating their mother's birthday,
and all the adults were hanging out playing board games
in the front room. It was really late at night,
and where my sister and me and the three boys
are hanging out in the boys's bedroom, and that hum
sound came up like and at that time, all the
power in the house goes out. The brightest light I've
(14:56):
ever seen is through the window, and it was like
brighter than the sun, and we're all freaking out. That's
when it sounded like out of every orifice in the house.
This It was like an electronic sounding voice. And the
reason I know what it says all these years later
is that we get it John Shusler, who, Yeah, here
it is. It's in this document right here. And that's
the quote, attention, we have allowed you to remain. We
(15:19):
have interfered with your lives very little. Do not cause
us to take action which you will regret. Your friends
will be instructed to remain silent concerning us. And what's
fascinating about that? When I still get goosebump sometimes when
I see that, and it's in this APRO report that
John Schusler gave to me, who was one of the
founding fathers of move On. But APRO investigated the ranch
(15:40):
and I never knew, or my sister or my mother
never knew anybody knew anything about the ranch. We thought
it was this family secret that we weren't supposed to
talk about, and nobody knew anything about so until you know,
I joined Moufon in twenty twelve, came in right as
a field investigator because I had learned about it on
some documentary on a show I was really into go
and the ghost Hunters and all that stuff, like, you
(16:02):
know what, I'm going to join and see what I
could find out about this. And then I picked up book,
the book Hunt for the Skinwalker. Started reading that book
by Colin Kelly her PhD In George Knapp, and I
get to a chapter other Hot Spots, and I start
reading about a ranch in Colorado. Nobody knew the location
of the ranch or the actual people's names. It was
never disclosed before. But I knew when I knew the
(16:23):
strange dynamic of the family. You know, my mom, I'm like,
that has to be at and in that book they
mentioned doctor Leo Sprinkle, who Doctor Leo Sprinkle was a
pioneer in hypnotherapy and near death experiences and past life
regression for over forty years, and he lived in Laramie, Wyoming,
which for me was only a two hour drive, and
(16:44):
he was old school, did the old male, no technology.
So I wrote him an old fashioned letter explaining who
I was, my connection to the ranch. Was this the
same location? I get a and it's one of the
most shar things I own. But he wrote a letter
back saying, yes, I think I'm I just sent that
to you. I'm not sure, but yes, this is the ranch.
Blah blah blah. Maybe I didn't send that confirming that
(17:05):
was the location. And ever since then it's just been
an ongoing investigation of what was happening there. And the
big question for me has always been how much is
black access government projects? Because the property sat vacant at
sixty acres, it sat vacant for over ten years. In
the notes in Leo's notes it said it was vacant
(17:26):
from ten to twelve years. And we do know that
there were soldiers from Camp Carson on the property. We
do know that Norrad and the Air Force Academy, the
directive had a head to handle UFOs and Bigfoot. All
these notes in doctor Sprinkle's files about the military knowing
about the ranch property, which begs the question what were
(17:49):
they doing out there? And then John John, the main
guy who purchased the property, he started in San Francisco
and was part of the Air Force, And so we
wonder about MK Ultra and things like that as connected
to that. But as you can imagine, and I know
you've experienced the same kind of things, that's one piece
(18:11):
of the puzzle. But the other side of it is
all these unusual paranormal things that cannot be explained by
the military, and what is that? So I feel like
both things were going on, and then what comes first
the chicken or the egg. Was the military there because
of the activity, you know, and they're trying to research
it as well, or were they causing it? And I
think through my research anyway, I believe that the activity
(18:34):
way predates even probably back to the time of the
Native Americans the military presence. So I think it's the
latter that the military showed up later.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You know, what did the adults say, did they hear
that robotic voice when they were playing it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, they did, and everybody was freaking out. And I
just remember the adults were trying to figure out. I
just remember them because they had these old, clunky like
kind of turntable like they were like big boxes, you know,
the old radios and stuff, and I remember them looking
and unplugging stuff and trying to figure out what the
heck that was. But just recently I learned about something
(19:14):
called plasmable technology, and there's some videos on YouTube. If
you look at plasma ball voices and you could play
a little clip of it, it sounds very similar, like
an electronic sounding voice like what we heard that night.
Were they I mean, here's my big thing. If the
(19:34):
military was out there doing experiments with lasers or different
plasma ball technologies or MK ultra kind of stuff, why
not just purchase the property. It's hat bank it for
all those years. Why not just purchase it, you know.
And then there's the cattle mutilation thing. I mean, we
have all these blacked out helicopters happening at the time.
If they wanted to do this to cattle, they certainly
had the resources to just test cattle. I mean, it
(19:57):
just doesn't make any logical sense to me that the
military wouldn't just purchase a property or was it John
Duke who's part of the air Force, and it is
said that. And I have communications on a limited basis
via Facebook with the youngest son and he, you know,
I'm asking questions about John, the main person on the ranch,
(20:19):
and very little is known about him. But he did
say that oftentimes he would invite like homeless people, vagrants,
people from the state hospitals. And we know that through
MK Ultra they use these type of people right to
do experiments on. And then my half brother at the
(20:39):
time is in the state hospital in Pueblo. Is there
a connection there? I don't know, it's a possibility something
I have to look at. Yeah, it's like deep because.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, it's like endless. So do you think your brother
was involved any kind of MK altrista.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I don't know. You know, it's really interesting because his
problem started and back in the sixties they did not
have autism, right, it wasn't a known condition. And talking
to my aunts and my mother and people who knew
Gary as a younger boy. He has since passed to
my brother has passed, but he exhibited a lot of
(21:25):
characteristics of a child who is on the autism spectrum.
And I have a child as well who is PDD
on the autism spectrum. And so back in those years,
they would a institutionalize people who were mentally ill way
quicker than they do now. Obviously they're filling up these
(21:45):
state hospitals. So his started in Chicago and then they
labeled him schizophrenic on top of it. So his education
is very limited. But looking at his handwriting his letters,
the note he left in the fire, he burnt down
two of our homes, burnt down a home we bought
in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, and he burnt down our home
here in Colorado in nineteen seventy three. He poured gasoline
(22:07):
on the outside and torched it. I was at school
down the street, at my elementary school. So but reading
the letters that he wrote and left in the fire,
I still have it. It it's very cryptid sounding. It's
he a for the lack of education. He had super intelligence,
off the chart, very He did like he was an
(22:27):
artist and did these amazing pieces of artwork.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But he.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sounded like he like he talked about his halem memory,
and you know, people he knew on the other side,
like it's really interesting. I'm not saying I don't know,
but after the second fire here in Colorado, my mom
and dad had to press charges for insurance and he
(22:54):
ended up, you know, serving time at the state hospital
on Pueblo. And then you fast forward a couple of
years and then the ranch stuff starts happening. So and
I remember, you know, I'm in elementary school at the time,
a lot of trauma, the divorce, the fires, all this,
and before the fire, he took an axe to our furniture,
walked in, there's an axe, and so a lot of
(23:14):
kind of really traumatic stuff. So I was being pulled
out into these small groups in school, and I remember
even being taken on a bus once a week and
going to some little thing and doing these tests and
things like that. I don't know what that was about.
I remember being told to me that I had speech impediments,
but I don't remember recall having a speech impediment, So
(23:35):
it's like mysterious. I don't know if they were looking
at the trauma piece or as in groups for divorce
or what that was. But it's really it's all kind
of I don't know, it's just a strange time for me,
you know. And then my sister, being she's six years older,
as soon as she was able to, when she graduated
high school, she moved to Gillett, Wyoming. She's like, I'm
(23:56):
out of here. So then it was just me and
my mom, you know, and the boys lived with us
through those years, but then they moved back with their dad.
So just a really crazy time during the ranch years
for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know. I had a weird dream last night. I
don't know if it's related to any of this, but
it was the kind of dream that I haven't had
in years. I haven't had a dream like this in years,
and whatever that dream was, if it was a dream,
but in the middle of the night, some person was
next to me and I got scared and I thought
(24:33):
it was going to hurt me. So I get up
out of the bed and I go to the front
door to get out of the house, and he's just
following me. He's not hurting me at all. And so
I opened the front door and there's all these people
in my front yard and they're telling me that they're
doing landscaping. But it's like four o'clock in the morning
or something, and so I want to scream help, but
(24:53):
I can't. It's like slow motion and I'm like, nothing's
going to out. You don't have that ever happened too? Yeah, right,
I haven't had one of those dreams in years. And
then I woke up this morning. I'm like, the Katie
Page send me an attachment. Right before that anyway, Well,
(25:17):
whatever that man was that was next to me, I
had a good talk with them, and I told him
he can't come back.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right. That's good. That's empowering, like to know that you
can set boundaries. It took me decades to figure that out,
you know, And I don't know if you've had that experience.
But as I got older and I started kind of
dabbling all these esoteric kind of things, just curious learning
about crystals and vibrations and sound, all these things that
a lot of us dabble in. I I'm like, well,
(25:45):
first of all, through doctor Sprinkles files, I learned that
they've been talking about this thing for decades. So all
all these vibrations and all this stuff. I'm like, they're
talking about that in the fifties and the sixties and
the seventies and the eighties and the nineties and we're
like reinventing the wheel. But I used to have these
reoccurring dreams all the time, and what you just said
reminded me of that. The dream I had during those
(26:07):
ranch years. It was like I was I was a
little girl, and I was walking. It was it was
a thread thinner than a strand of hair, like the
thinnest of thread. And in my dream, I was walking
around with this thread and if it broke, I would die.
And I just remember being super It was like this
(26:29):
terrifying dream of don't break the feat thread or I'm
gonna die. And I had that reoccurring for many years,
that that dream. So I don't know. I hope you
didn't get an attachment for me at all.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like way away, there was another part of the dream
that the people in my front yard they were keeping
me so busy that I missed my interview with you.
I couldn't do.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I was so upset.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, So I was glad when I woke up.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
O good. Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
There's another very interesting aspect to your experience when you
were a little girl that carried into season two of
Beyond skin Walker, and it has it's I believe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Right here, Yeah, yeah, so this was a really cool thing.
Also to get the I'll never forget the time, well,
a a couple of things. When I first read that
book and I realized that it was investigated, and then
to get the report, I just I was on the
phone with my sister called my mom. Liked to have
these experience that we remember so clearly in a report
(27:38):
was just mind blowing to me. It still blows my mind.
But one time on the ranch, it was the weekend,
me and my sister was a wet, heavy snow and
we decided to go out in front of the ranch
house and flip the frisbee and we looked down on
the ground and it was dry dirt where nothing grew
in this perfectly round circle. The investigator in me, now
all these years later goes, well, well, there's a silo
sitting there? Was there something sitting there? No? No, no, no,
(28:01):
And then to see it in this here and in
the report it actually says that the investigators went out
there to investigate the circle, which was seventy five feet
in diameter, and there were drops of blood outside the
snowless circle, Like, what is that about? Is that tied
to the mutilations that were going on at the time,
and then also in the report there were two of
these circles on the property. I only experienced one in
front of the ranch house when we were playing frisbee.
(28:24):
But now in season two and beyond Skinwalker, this is
where we're shooting the rockets up. And the first season
we shot a little rocket up to kind of pokes
the hornous nest like hello, we're here, We're back. And
then the radio that Crystal Radio experiment. To get back
to that really quick, they put it in the old
part of the house where the only time they would
see shadow little creatures and stuff. It was in that
(28:47):
original old part of the house. The people that live
there now and the daughter that grew up there, she Nicole.
She's on the episodes as well. She also has encounters
with these shadow beings that I had as a kid,
same experience. So I'm like, whoa, what is that about.
But so I'm communicating on you know, the ham Radio
guys there and they're like, okay, we're gonna have another person.
(29:07):
I'm like, hello, do you remember us?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And oh?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And I was like, oh, Like I mean, and what
they don't show, here's what they don't show. And it
actually really surprised me. This what repeated like three times
where we had other people do it nothing, nothing, nothing.
Every time I did, it would jump. But as this
is happening on the like CB radio, we're getting transmissions
(29:31):
from the Vietnam War. They're talking about the Vietnam War
on the radio. And then inside the house, I hear
that they're picking up subtle like almost like clicks, almost
like a what do they call it? Like so os
or and that Travis Taylor was looking at that they
(29:54):
had never heard that before. And I can't talk about
it for season three. We've already filmed for that, and
I can at least say that my sister comes back
with me and they repeat that, and I can't tell
you what happens because of the non disclosures, but mind blowing.
And it was interesting for my sister because she she
(30:15):
has not had the hitchhiker things like I have had,
which is one of those questions that I wonder about,
like why does this activity affect certain people certain ways
and other people in other ways? Like I never could
figure that out. And you know, through being a moof
On investigator that you can have a group of people
(30:37):
and one person in the group. Is it going to
experience something all together different than the other people in
the group. And it's confusing to me why that would be.
But my sister was like, I don't want whatever is
going on with you to be attached to me, you know,
And I understand that. So I kind of had to like, yeah,
but when we're like in our seventies and our eighties,
we'll be able to say, hey, remember when we did
(30:59):
this and we faced it. And so I was really
happy that she agreed to go on and do that
episode and I'm excited to see that one when it
comes out for season three. But she did go back
with me and we did repeat that, and I can't
wait to be able to talk about what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Oh, I can't wait to see that. That is the
big deal that your sister did that, especially under the
radar with all of this, and now all of a sudden,
she comes up on one of the most popular shows
I know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
And she she was nervous because she she was a
radio broadcaster from coast to coast for a long time,
and I don't think she wanted her actual name out there.
But then at the very last minute, she's like, oh right, Oh,
I aheadn't use my name, So I'm really I'm just
happy she did that because as we're filming and we're
walking around out there, memories are coming back to her
(31:48):
and we got to spend sister time just walking around
the property, and hey, remember this, remember that. We actually
as we're walking, we discovered some hair in the bob
wire really low, and we're like, oh my gosh, maybe
this big foot hair or whatever. It wasn't they have
to anyway. But the other thing on season one though,
and you kind of mentioned it, were those footprints. Yeah,
(32:08):
that was that first night back on it got dark.
They're like, tell us about where you have this box encounter,
which they haven't even touched on the Strange Boxes on
any of the episodes. But that's why we were walking
back there, and we go over the bob wire blizzard.
I mean you could see in Paul and Andy's beards
all frozen, and I had fallen. I was not prepared
(32:28):
for this unexpected blizzard. I mean, we knew we were
gonna get snow, but not like that. And I had
fallen and my my jeans were soaking wet. I was freezing. Anyway,
we're walking back, and all the camera guys are behind
me and out of the snow, and it was snow
so hard that your you know, your tracks are filling
up with snow almost as quickly, as quickly as you're
walking out of nowhere. This is like this blanket of snow.
(32:49):
And then these bipedal footprints I would say six to
ten feet like that, and then they disappear, and then
they come back, and then they disappear again. And that
that was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I'm like,
oh my gosh, I'm so glad you're catching this with
the camera. And of course, like anything like it doesn't
do it justice because it's blizzarding so horrid you can't
(33:12):
really see. But they were very clearly just coming out
of nowhere, like something came up, walked, went under, came up,
walked and went under again.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, that was pretty effective. But you saw something running by,
and that's why you went to look for the footprints.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We well, technically we're going out there to look to
see where I had this box encounter, but why we
were headed because one of the main features on that
ranch property is that big silo, and that was there
when I was a kid. So we were walking and
they were actually doing readings. And this is another thing
that didn't make the episode. They were doing readings around
like the new structure of the house, the old structure
(33:50):
of the house, where the cistern is, where the old
well is, and then they went out to the silo
and did readings. All the old places of the house
gave off really high readings, all new places gave off
low readings. So we were just down there like taking
readings and I saw something run by. I could tell you,
I could tell you what it wasn't It wasn't a cat,
(34:11):
it wasn't a dog, it wasn't a rabbit, it wasn't
a I don't know what it was, but I saw
it clear as day and then boom, it was gone.
And then to have that happen, and then another thing
that happened the following day, when we're poking the hornous
ness with the little rocket is me and one of
the rocket dudes heard like large bird flapping like a
(34:36):
like a big bird flapping its wings, and we're like,
did you hear that? And it's right back there in
the tree line where it's reported they had these big
cryptid birds sighted there like like phoenixes, those kind of things,
and he heard it, I heard it nothing. I don't
know what that was either.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
So oh, can I go back to the messages from
Vietnam on the radio? Yeah? Why didn't they include that
in the show?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I have no idea. I have no idea. And also
if you go to History Channel, I think it's still
on there, but there's like bonus footage just that you
can see like short videos. And the other thing that
did not make season one was we had David Morehouse
do the biggest remote view ever on the ranch property
in season one, and they had over seventy remote viewers
(35:25):
from around the world, and they I think ended up
with like I can't remember, I want to say, seven
thousand data points. And we literally spent on season one
two hours of going through David Morehouse's remote viewer results
on the screen and the garage there, and I went
away there going, oh, my gosh. Either all these seventy
(35:50):
remote viewers from around the world got tipped off and
they had information. How can they know all the stuff
they got? The boxes they got, the sasquatch they got,
the military or police presidence they got, I mean, you
name it. They were talking about all the things that
happened out there, like that this is like a super
highway of interconnectivity and all these things, and it was
(36:13):
the amount of information blew my mind. But thankfully in
season two they kind of brought him back and you know,
kind of touched on it a little bit where they
had the clusters and stuff. And I hope that if
the seasons, if we get lucky enough that they continue,
that they bring more of that remote viewing in because
I think it's fascinating what was revealed through that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes, I remember the one drawing of a portal in
a portal and hitting a wall.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Right right where the rocket went up and then it
because the other rockets were like going away like miles
off course and all these really strange behaviors of these rockets.
But the big rockets that they launched from the cistern
literally up and it's like it kind of did this
and then it's like it hit a wall and came
right down at the landing site where that big circle
on the ground was when we were a kid. And
(37:08):
also for season three, I can't something else bad happened
to me at the landing site, and I can't say,
because of non disclosures. But it was like it makes
me like, go, okay, the other thing on season one
that didn't make it. And I'm not sure I sent
you this picture either. But that night I was not
(37:28):
prepared for the snowstore. So I had a vest on,
a hoodie, a sweater or shirt like I had many layers. Well,
the next day I had my daughter come down to
Castle Rock. We had a day off of filming. I'm like,
let's go to the Columbia store and buy like Long
John's and you know, warmer things. So we spent the
day shopping at the outlet stores in Castle Rock. Then
(37:49):
we go to Red Robin for lunch and we're just
sitting there having lunch and my back started bothering me.
We go back up to my hotel room and I
look and I had it looks like there's three fingers. Yeah,
and it's this big handprint on my shoulder and it's
all blistered. I'll send you, I'll send you the pictures
that you could see it, but it was hot to
(38:10):
the touch. We videotaped it and I showed the crew
the next day. I'm like, look, you know here, and
they videoed everything so they have it all documented, but
they don't know if it's a radiation burn or I
was attacked by something. I didn't lean up against anything.
I don't know how that got there because it was
through many layers of clothing.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah you didn't even feel it, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, I didn't not until the next I was like,
what is this? But it looks like it looks like
this on my shoulder? Like maybe something was just trying
to help me. I maybe shouldn't assume that it's negative
or bad. Maybe they were like, oh, she's falling.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, that robotic sound that gave
you that message pretty much like don't tell anybody, or
it was it sounded like it might hurt you. It's
the message kind of not like that didn't let me
proce mess this up again? Yeah. Do you think those
(39:04):
are humans telling you that message or do you think
those are ets?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, here's the interesting thing. And you know in the
briefing documents they talk about the adults and there were
several And here's the other thing I'd like to say
for your listeners. This all this activity did not just
happen on this one ranch property. This affected the whole
area of Elbert County. I think my Excel spreadsheets up
to two hundred and fifty some people and it's still
(39:29):
going on to this day. So it's from Frank down
to Elizabeth to Kiawa, assimilar to Rayma and I've through
the years, I've done a lot of interviews with these
other people who have experienced things right, and many many
articles about mutilations. Back in the time, the Colorado we
WEREAU of Investigations was involved. Like I said, NORAD Directive
(39:50):
had directives to handle these kind of things. We had
no fly zones put over the counties. We had the
sheriff George Arnell. If you watch the movie A Strange
Heart Vist Linda mullen Howe's movie from I think eighty
eighty one, she talks about a lot of these from
the late seventies and George Arnello's in that movie. And
also Bill Waugh who was the under sheriff. He encountered
(40:12):
the box and the strange lights. So a lot of
adults experience these things. But there were two types of
ets that were said to be seen on this ranch,
along with nine landed discs out where that landing circle is.
Where that circle is nine discs landed right out in
front of the ranch house. One of them were what
I call I was on a show with Paul Giamatti,
(40:35):
which is a whole funny story because I didn't know
who Paul Giumott was. I fell. He walks in to
the studio with this cool mind Control shirt on him,
like cool shirt. I'm like, you look kind of familiar,
and he goes, yeah, I've been in a few movies.
I'm like, oh, okay, And I started talking to this
other person, you know, didn't even know. I have this
two hour actually over to at two hour and twenty
(40:56):
minute interview with Paul Giamatti and whoever the other guy
is and anyway, So I get home up here and
I like, do a Google search on pology of Maadi
and I see the lists of movies. I'm like, oh,
I didn't know who that was. And I'm glad I
didn't know, because I think I would have been nervous
had I known. But I didn't know how I thank
you for my ignorance. But anyway, so he labeled these
(41:18):
guys the twob guys. So there were two types, the
twob guys and then the Nordics. So in the two
be guys had a sketch in doctor Leo's files and
that so this guy along with the skinny arms, now
the doodle of a face in the window. This was
one of the coolest things that ever happened to me.
At the time. I was the guest beer coordinator for
(41:39):
Colorado Move On. And little that little picture in the bottom,
I guess it's my left hand corner with like tubes
in his neck. Those two go together. So this gentleman
by the name of Sean Bartok wrote a book called
Flashbacks about all these things that he had happened to
him on his property. Come to find out after getting
(41:59):
to know him, after he came to speak with us.
His property was only fourteen miles away from the ranch property.
And I'm sitting there watching his presentation, and that base
in the window doodle comes up along with that one
in the corner with the heavy brow and the wrinkles,
and he said, those tubes in the neck actually come
out like tube gay And I'm like, they look awful
(42:21):
similar the shape of the eyes, the heavy brow, the wrinkles,
the tubes. And we didn't know each other, So how
does that happen? And what is that because this is
an unusual type of ET that you don't see very often.
It's not like you know, your average typical graze or whatever.
So one day I'm at the grocery store and there
(42:41):
was a popular mechanics issue as I'm waiting to check
out with my groceries, and it was all about AI
and it kind of hit me, Oh, my gosh, they
have these tub things, right, or maybe these guys are
some sort of AI hybrid kind of creature.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
But the other kind that were there were these Nordic,
the blonde blue eye types, and in their documents, in
the reports, it said they were in conflict with one
another and these boxes that were seen out there by
several adults, and I saw it in the daytime. My
sister remembered having experienced with these unusual boxes that made
this like b sound. They state in the document that
(43:22):
those boxes are lethal, and they showed how lethal they
were by having a sasquatch walk up to and it
dropped it to its knees. In the report, I didn't
witness that. I didn't witness any of these et beings,
but that's what's in the report, and that they had
communications with these ets, and they were just in conflict
with one another, and like we were just like, don't
(43:43):
mind us, We won't mind you, but I can tell
you something about that warning. My mom and Jack took
that warning very seriously and said, don't you talk about
what's going on out there to anybody. So my sister
and I created our own little secret language that we
would talk to each other about, kind of like pig Latin.
Where the e we would you know, I would go
(44:07):
and we would talk that way in secret, and we
didn't talk about it for years and years and years
and years.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
This I'm going to put this back up. This doodle
face in the window.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Are you saying you saw that in the And I
didn't see any of these, but in that the one
the drawing with the shield and the little the skinny
arms and the legs, the big one that drawing there
that was in doctor Leo Sprinkle's files from the ranch,
along with the drawing of the white, fuzzier sasquatch creature
that was seen there on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And then the other two are from that other gentleman
that wrote a book and they look very similar. Yeah see, yeah, see,
we didn't know each other and they look look at that,
the wrinkles, the eye shape, the little mouth, the tubes,
the head shape. It's just really interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Help with the tubes. So you have a lot of
bigfoot activity. Yes, of all, it's not really called Rocky
Mountain Ranch.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
And we don't know where it is, correct, No, we
do know where it is.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, it didn't. It was known in folklore in the
Apple Reports as Clearview Ranch because I didn't want the
town known. They didn't want the attention. They didn't want
the sheriff and the under sheriff wanted, you know, their
credibility to stay intact. They didn't want swarms of people
going out there to the town. But big Mouth Katie
(45:35):
has come out and I'm like, I know it's in
Olburg County, Colorado. And like I said, it wasn't just
at the ranch. You know, there's actually mutilation still occurring
to this day. I just interviewed and we can get
into it a little bit later, but interviewed in Elk
Hunter who hadn't experienced with something very unusual just recently.
So things are still going on out there. But it's
this whole area of Elbert County which in the State
(45:56):
of Colorado is really the Palmer Divide runs right in there.
And the Palmer Divide is a very it's kind of
very similar to the Archiletta Mesa in New Mexico. So
the area is highly magnetic. There's aquifers underground, which David
Pilates talks about and is missing for one utiful connections.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So I think there's something to the geologic makeup of
these areas, the magnetism of these areas, and then you
throw water in the mix, and it's like this magical
recipe I feel with a lot of these locations around
the world.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
You know, Yeah, Katie, you investigate cattle mutilations too.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I kind of I avoided it for a long time
because it's such a controversial topic, not like the rest
of it isn't that's funny, but I kind of thought,
you know what, we have the experts that do that, Chucksokowski,
Christopher O'Brien, lindam Old, and how they're the experts. Let
(46:56):
them do it. But I haven't been able to avoid
it because it's still going on to to stay, not
to the extent it was back then. Back then we
had I mean, people were arming themselves they were afraid
they were going to go to humans next. And of
course Snippy the horse in nineteen sixty seven out there
at the Sant Luis Valley. I just recently interviewed a
gentleman who was one of the first four people to
(47:17):
see Snippy the horse on the ground, and that's going
to be an exciting interview to get out there. Along
with Kerry King and the King family. He was there
for that, but they were mutilating horse, sheep, dog. Even
I found articles about mutilated dog smaller animals, and through
the research I've done just recently, I think there's an
elk connection as well. Elk elk, Yeah, he t's an elk.
(47:43):
There's a famous case called the Carl Higden case in
nineteen seventy four and Carl Higden was in Rawlings, Wyoming.
He was in Medicine Bow National Forest, which actually, if
you watch David Pilatti's Missing four one one, he talks
about a couple cases out there in Medicine Bow and
he was out there hunting elk and encountered also one
(48:04):
who basically shot at the elk and the bullet hits
like this invisible wall and there was a box in
this encounter as well, and this is the year before
the ranch stuff bullet falls to the ground. He's floated
these food pills by this extraterrestrial is like, are you hungry? Well,
if you're hungry, here we'll fix that. Take one of
these pills, which he did. This is a long story.
(48:27):
It's a really cool case. If you haven't heard it,
you should look it up. But he has physical things.
He was taken to the hospital. They tested his blood.
He has the hospital records. Doctor Leo Sprinkle's archives has
all the original photos and information about this case. But
his pickup truck was seen in a different area or
was taken to a different area in this like mud bog.
(48:49):
They had to get it out. His wife. They went
searching for him, and when they found him, he was all,
you know, disoriented and oh my gosh, they took my elk.
They took my elk. But he claim they actually took
him to their planet and everything. It's a really interesting
interesting case. But this happened just the year before, and
there's some commonalities between what was going on at the
(49:11):
ranch and the Carl Higden case in Wyoming. So go figure.
I don't know, I don't know. What's up with these boxes?
That's kind of what I'm interested in lately. I'm trying
to gather up If anybody out there has any box information,
let me know, because.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I've talked with an experiencer who's seen a box. Oh really,
we're talking about a box on the ground, not necessarily
floating about this one was seen on the well, I
saw it floating.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
But they were also seen on the ground, so both.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yes, yes, I have talked with I think two experiences
that have seen something like that. I don't remember where
they were. Uh, do you know.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Did the boxes make any noise?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I don't remember, Katie, I have to go through my
wreck host and see.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That'd be interesting.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, okay, suh, all right, this went by so fast.
We didn't even talk about everything that we wanted to
talk about. Uh, but you have started a new research organization.
If you could just talk about that just for a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, Rocky Mountain Ranch recommunt and research with Katie Page.
And here's how that came about. I you know, I
was doing some podcasting and thought about doing a new show,
and I'm very happy to be a co host on
U I P Studies podcast with Jason Gilmot and doctor Michael.
But here's Rocky Maar copy mark so.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Fun, but I thought I would. I'm sorry to cut
you off, but you're a graphic artist, correct, I am, Yeah, Yes,
you work.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I had, Yeah, I had. I thought that was logo. Yeah,
and doing the products is kind of fun too. But
I just designed a hoodie and I did the two
Beguy T shirt which you can find at Rockymountain Ranch
research dot org and all of that stuff, all the
proceeds that help helps me get equipment because one of
the things I you know, my concept was basically to
(51:12):
kind of take everybody with me as I investigate. So
when I go like I'm putting together the interview with
Joe Spencer, one of the guys from Snippy the Horse,
Like I go on location and I'm doing you know,
I'm trying to redo what they're doing on Skinwalker Ranch,
kind of testing it for myself, or visiting Mount Wilson
Ranch for example, and seeing the caves and conducting interviews
(51:33):
with things. I just thought, well, I want to take
everybody along with me as I do this and share
the information that I'm finding out. How can I do that?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I know, I can do YouTube videos, So I'm I mean,
I'm kind of slow going because I'm kind of learning.
Like my first episode, I had to pull off because
we didn't have the right equipment and the winds blowing,
and I learn how to lower it. It still sounds
awful like World our You know, we're learning and we're
trying to acquire the right equipment, so things sound good
(52:04):
and look good and all that stuff. But it's basically
so I could just take everybody along with me as
I investigate to try and find answers, because I really
truly feel that's how we are going to find the
answers by working together and communicating together.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Well, tell us the name of a YouTube channel, and
also where we can find you if anyone's seeing a box.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Contact me Katie please, yes, please, Two ways you can
find me katiepage dot net or katiepage dot org and
also Rockymountain Rantsresearch dot org. You can find me there
and there's links to contact me at both of those locations.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Okay, well, this is wonderful. I'd love to have you
back so we can talk about other things and season three.
I'm very excited about that. Do you know when it's
coming out or you don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I think it's November or December the rumor, but I
don't know until the rest of you all know. And
what's really funny is I don't know what makes the
episode until I watch it along with all of you guys,
and I'm just like, oh, my gosh. So it's really
interesting for me, like things that I think will make
the episodes that I'm like, oh, I can't believe it,
don't don't. And the reason they don't is because they
(53:18):
all have to kind of tie into Skinwalker Ranch, right,
They're kind of following this kind of this rivel I
guess where everything sort of ties together. So if things
kind of fall outside of that, it doesn't necessarily make
it in there. But I hope eventually they get it
in because I think it's important information and I'm really
thankful to that show that they brought the attention to
these other locations. It's not just the Skinwalker Ranch. It's
(53:42):
multiple locations across the country and even the world that
have these similar types of activity, and I think that's
important that people realize.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
That that there's many places like this. But the researchers
on beyond Skinwalker are really enamored with your Rocky Mountain ranch.
The looks on their faces, they look shocked with some
of the data that they're collecting. All right, Katie, thank
(54:11):
you so much.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Everybody, thank you for spending your time with us. We're
very grateful. Bye.
Cosmic consciousness, extraterrestrials and UFOs, sacred geometry, ancient civilization's.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Spiritual connection, the quantum universe, all of these topics and
so much more with your host seb talk on Alien
Spirit with Sef.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello, I'm Sev and welcome to Alien Spirit. I have
a very special guest today. I've known her for a
couple of years, Katie Paige. Katie has personal ties to
a high strangeness ranch in Colorado, now known as the
Rocky Mountain Ranch. In UFO folklore, it was known as
(00:52):
the Clearview Ranch and it predates the infamous skin Walker
Ranch by over a decade. This motivated her interests in
You Areology to find answers to her experiences and to
uncover the truth about what was happening there. She is
now CEO of Rocky Mountain Ranch Research and is a
co host on the UAP Studies podcast. Katie can be
(01:16):
seen on History Channels Beyond Skinwalker and I watch both
episodes and I loved it and I got goosebumps. And
we're going to talk about why Travel Channels, UFO Witness
guyas Beyond Belief with George Nori Small Town Monsters on
the trail of UFO's Night Visitors and their new series
(01:37):
UFOs Revisited, as well as Ron James' film Accidental Truth.
Katie conducts independent investigations and research through her Rocky Mountain
Ranch Research Foundation. She has been a presenter at several
conferences and has appeared on many radio shows and podcasts,
including Coast to Coast with George Knapp and Spaced Out Radio.
(02:01):
Katie is the author of Letters of Love and Light,
four decades of UFO Encounters, experiences and sightings shared with
uithologist are Leo Spinkle. She is writing her second book,
The Rocky Mountain Ranch Crafts, Cattle, Cryptids, and Cover Ups.
Katie holds a Bachelor of Science and Visual Communication. Welcome
(02:26):
Katie Page.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Thanks for having me, sev so great to be here.
It's great to be here. That second book, I feel
like it's never going to get finished, but I know
that you and I have this in common where we
believe in everything happening for its reason, in due time,
synchronicities and all that. And I feel like started working
on that book years ago, and then Beyond Skinwalker came about,
(02:49):
and now I have all these new experiences that so
it's been on this back burner for years and years.
I feel like I keep you like another year's gone by.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I feel the same way because me to write my
second book for several years now, and I keep changing
my mind. The longer I wait, the more I keep
changing my mind about what I knowed about. All Right, Katie,
let's start from when you were a little girl. Oh yeah,
start yeah, So what's where did you grow up? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I was born in Illinois actually, so this is kind
of cool because I typically don't start that far back.
But what's interesting. You know, as you know, families do
around Thanksgiving and holidays, you have these kind of things,
these stories or things you talk about. And through the years,
I heard about my grandfather, actually my dad's father, having
(03:43):
a sighting in Wisconsin because they lived in Wisconsin over
Lake Como of an oblong shaped craft and it was
actually investigated by Jay Allen Heinek. So small world there
and then going we had travel from Illinois back to
Wisconsin quite often see my grandparents. And we were crossing
the border from Wisconsin in to Illinois in a town
(04:05):
called Richmond, which is sort of close to the border there,
and we also saw how to close encounter with an
oblong shaped craft and my mom pulls the car over.
She said it was about the size of a billboard, so,
you know, rather small, which kind of reminds me of
these tic tac sightings perhaps, But she said I was
pretty small at that time, under the age of two.
(04:27):
And she said, once we got back on the road,
you know the lines in the middle of the road,
she said, I was like catatonic, Like I was just
like hypnotized. After that, they were like, Katie, katy, Katie,
let's come out of it. And so that was sort
of the first kind of experience and then you fass forward.
We moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy I had some
(04:48):
traumatic events with a half brother who you know, it
was an arsonist and things like that. But we don't
need to get into that yet unless we talk about
the trauma connection, because I think there's a trauma connection
to some of this, or at least at the very
least out of body experience. As people who can ask
her travel and what I think they tie into something.
We could talk about that here in a while. So
I had that going on, but and then you know,
(05:09):
in nineteen seventy five, my mom started dating a gentleman.
She was a key punch operator for United Airlines at
their training center in the Tech Center in Colorado. That's
why we moved from Illinois to Colorado. And she met
a gentleman who had this ranch in Colorado. And this
was the time Linda molten Howe was out there. She
was an investigated journalist. At the time, we had hundreds
(05:33):
of mutilations going on, so that's where Linda got her
start kind of out there in Milburt County. This went
on for three years from the height of it, should
I say, seventy five, seventy six, seventy seven into seventy eight.
And even though my sister and I and my mom
didn't live on this ranch property full time, the people
that my mom's boyfriend at the time had three sons.
(05:53):
The two younger sons lived with us during the week
to attended bigger school district, which was the Cherry Creek
School district instead of the small little country school, you know.
And so we would travel back and forth to the
ranch and sometimes spend weekend days out there. And every
time we went out there, really unusual things were happening.
And on top of that, We always heard the adults
talking because you know, I'm nine, ten, eleven years old
(06:13):
at this time, and you know, we heard the adults
talking about police being called and cattle mutilations happening and
other strange things. And fast forward all these years later,
after you know, get married, raise a family, these questions
kind of never leave you, Like what was all that
I was experiencing? And that's why I'm here today. You know,
(06:34):
like so many of us, we start out just wanting
to answer our own questions to our own experiences.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
There you are as a little girl, such a pretty
little girl, still pretty, So these are all the things
that you were going through as a little girl.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, And you know what's interesting about that is,
like so many of us, I compartmentalized a lot of
these different experience I was having because even though I
experienced things physically at the Rocky Mountain ranch, I lived at.
Our house was forty five minutes away from the ranch property,
and at that house, I was experiencing these tall shadow
(07:12):
figures next to my bread. I always slept with Big sister.
I was always afraid, you know, checking the closet, checking
under the bed, move the bed up against the wall,
always had to sleep with Big Sister to protect me.
I always felt a sense of being watched so much so,
like walking back and forth to elementary school. Motorcycles were
particularly terrifying to me because they could travel up on
(07:36):
the grass. I was so afraid all the time of
being taken that I if a car drove by, I
would walk up to the nearest house as if I
lived there, and I pretended to live there. And that
went on for decades with me, that sense of being
watched and paranormal things happening. So I compartmentalize these different things,
you know, into boxes, you know, the sasquatches over here,
(07:59):
the ghosts are we're here, shadow figure, I don't know
what that is over there, you know, and all that
kind of stuff. And it really wasn't until that second book,
Skinwalker's at the Pentagon, where they kind of talk about
the hitchhiker effect of people that are on these high
strangers locations like Skinwalker Ranch that have this like this
(08:19):
phenomenon kind of follow you. But that being said, I
would love to know your opinion on this kind of
trauma disassociation piece which I've been researching lately, and people
who can disassociate, which I did when I was a
young girl, seemed to tap into something and that actually
connects you no matter where you are, as an energy
(08:40):
form or as a spirit being, that is with you,
and I find that to be the case. Do you
find that as well with the experiencers you.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Work with the disassociation Yeah, yes, yeah, although looking back
on my life, I don't recall any trauma. Maybe my
trauma was coming here as a little girl and not
knowing the language. Maybe that was traumatic for me and
I didn't realize it. I do think that's one of
(09:10):
the reasons that my psychic abilities were strengthened, because I
was just trying to figure out what people were saying,
and so I learned how to read their energy so
I can figure out what was being said.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, that's a good point because when you hyper focus
and whether you have like an alcoholic parent, I mean
my dad, you know, you never knew what Dad was
going to be walking through that door at the end
of the day, So you do learn to read subtleties
in people's energy. It feels when you're young, and I
think moving to a new country where you don't speak
(09:44):
the language and you are having to read people. And
then also you know that when you have a near
death experience or something like that and you disassociate. I
think those at least that's in my research. I've known
almost every person I talked to how some sort of
form of piece, you know, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
That's a very interesting piece, like you're trying to just
leave the current situation and you go into the other
dimensions and then make friends there. Yeah, right, okay, let's
talk about the episodes that you were on Beyond Skinwalker
Ranch in season one, episode three, Rocky Mountain Ranch and
(10:23):
season two The Landing Site, episode five. They wanted you
to come back because the first show was so good. Okay, okay,
Oh my gosh, I'm getting tingly all over again. All right,
So there were a few things in the season number
one show, episode three, when you talked, when they responded
(10:45):
to your voice, Oh my gosh, I got goosebumps. And
also those prints in the snow, I know, what is that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So okay, So first thing, first, that episode was the
very first time I stepped foot back on that property
since I was a little girl, and so like behind
the scenes kind of thing, you know, they film with
you for a whole week and they're getting it down
to like forty four minutes an episode or whatever, so
(11:18):
you don't know what's going to make the episode and
what's not going to make the episode. And I just
remember having all this anxiety, like, well, all this happened
so many decades ago, Like what if I get there
and A I haven't talked to the people that now
own the ranch, which purchased it from the family that
I was connected to, so they've you know, lived there
for thirty plus years, and I didn't know how they
(11:39):
were going to respond to learning the history of their property.
So that made me nervous Number one. Number two, I
didn't know if the place was still active or not active.
I didn't know what i'd remember what I wouldn't remember.
And as I pull up to the gate to go
on to the property, it's getting dusk, and I just
remember panicking, like I don't want to get up there
and it's already dark, because I want to see and
(12:02):
most importantly like visiting. I was in Laughlin and went
to the Blind Frog Ranch and I was with Dwayne
Olenger in them, and I wanted to feel the energy
there as compared to how I felt as a young girl,
because when you experience that feeling to be in watch
that that eurie. I mean, it was a scary time
for me, you know, that feeling intimately right. I lived
(12:25):
with it for so many years, and I knew if
I went back to blind Frog, if I would feel
that same kind of energy again, and I did not.
It actually felt very good and positive there. Not to
say that the Rocky Mountain ranch is necessarily negative, but
it was definitely different. So I wanted to feel that
when I went back with Beyond Beyond Skinwalker that first time,
(12:46):
and thankfully, you know, it was just enough light. I
knew the house was in the same place, but it
was a little confusing to me because they had added
an addition out to both sides and out to the front.
So I thought they just leveled the old old house
that I remember from when I was a kid, but
they actually built around it, so the original house is
(13:08):
still there. And so when they did that radio with
the crystal radio experiment, they put that radio in the
old part of the house, and that's where we had
the most terrifying night on that ranch with this disembodied
electrical voice. So one of the very first things that
happened when they purchased this property is they would hear
hum sounds and like bangs underground where there's nothing underground,
(13:32):
which begs a question were they tunneling? What are these
hum sounds? And what's fascinating to me too, is why
they're filming. They're out there by the cistern with the
current owners of the property. And unfortunately after they filmed
season one, Greg lost his wife, Chris, who was in
that episode, so the second episode is dedicated to her,
(13:52):
and I think it's fantastic she's in that first episode,
so we could see Chris and that. But they're out
there and you hear that hum sound and it on
for quite a while and they were able to capture that.
So that was really cool because it's identical to what
I remember hearing when I was younger. But anytime this
hum sound would come up, unusual things would happen around
the ranch property. And so one night it was so
(14:13):
the mother's father, who my mom was dating, and their mother,
Betty there. All the adults are now passed that were
there at the time, Jack, Betty, and John and my
mother they're all four past now, and my mom was
dating Jack and Betty, the boys's mother was dating John
(14:34):
and John Jack and Betty owned the property together. But
we were there with the boys celebrating their mother's birthday,
and all the adults were hanging out playing board games
in the front room. It was really late at night,
and where my sister and me and the three boys
are hanging out in the boys's bedroom, and that hum
sound came up like and at that time, all the
power in the house goes out. The brightest light I've
(14:56):
ever seen is through the window, and it was like
brighter than the sun, and we're all freaking out. That's
when it sounded like out of every orifice in the house.
This It was like an electronic sounding voice. And the
reason I know what it says all these years later
is that we get it John Shusler, who, Yeah, here
it is. It's in this document right here. And that's
the quote, attention, we have allowed you to remain. We
(15:19):
have interfered with your lives very little. Do not cause
us to take action which you will regret. Your friends
will be instructed to remain silent concerning us. And what's
fascinating about that? When I still get goosebump sometimes when
I see that, and it's in this APRO report that
John Schusler gave to me, who was one of the
founding fathers of move On. But APRO investigated the ranch
(15:40):
and I never knew, or my sister or my mother
never knew anybody knew anything about the ranch. We thought
it was this family secret that we weren't supposed to
talk about, and nobody knew anything about so until you know,
I joined Moufon in twenty twelve, came in right as
a field investigator because I had learned about it on
some documentary on a show I was really into go
and the ghost Hunters and all that stuff, like, you
(16:02):
know what, I'm going to join and see what I
could find out about this. And then I picked up book,
the book Hunt for the Skinwalker. Started reading that book
by Colin Kelly her PhD In George Knapp, and I
get to a chapter other Hot Spots, and I start
reading about a ranch in Colorado. Nobody knew the location
of the ranch or the actual people's names. It was
never disclosed before. But I knew when I knew the
(16:23):
strange dynamic of the family. You know, my mom, I'm like,
that has to be at and in that book they
mentioned doctor Leo Sprinkle, who Doctor Leo Sprinkle was a
pioneer in hypnotherapy and near death experiences and past life
regression for over forty years, and he lived in Laramie, Wyoming,
which for me was only a two hour drive, and
(16:44):
he was old school, did the old male, no technology.
So I wrote him an old fashioned letter explaining who
I was, my connection to the ranch. Was this the
same location? I get a and it's one of the
most shar things I own. But he wrote a letter
back saying, yes, I think I'm I just sent that
to you. I'm not sure, but yes, this is the ranch.
Blah blah blah. Maybe I didn't send that confirming that
(17:05):
was the location. And ever since then it's just been
an ongoing investigation of what was happening there. And the
big question for me has always been how much is
black access government projects? Because the property sat vacant at
sixty acres, it sat vacant for over ten years. In
the notes in Leo's notes it said it was vacant
(17:26):
from ten to twelve years. And we do know that
there were soldiers from Camp Carson on the property. We
do know that Norrad and the Air Force Academy, the
directive had a head to handle UFOs and Bigfoot. All
these notes in doctor Sprinkle's files about the military knowing
about the ranch property, which begs the question what were
(17:49):
they doing out there? And then John John, the main
guy who purchased the property, he started in San Francisco
and was part of the Air Force, And so we
wonder about MK Ultra and things like that as connected
to that. But as you can imagine, and I know
you've experienced the same kind of things, that's one piece
(18:11):
of the puzzle. But the other side of it is
all these unusual paranormal things that cannot be explained by
the military, and what is that? So I feel like
both things were going on, and then what comes first
the chicken or the egg. Was the military there because
of the activity, you know, and they're trying to research
it as well, or were they causing it? And I
think through my research anyway, I believe that the activity
(18:34):
way predates even probably back to the time of the
Native Americans the military presence. So I think it's the
latter that the military showed up later.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You know, what did the adults say, did they hear
that robotic voice when they were playing it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, they did, and everybody was freaking out. And I
just remember the adults were trying to figure out. I
just remember them because they had these old, clunky like
kind of turntable like they were like big boxes, you know,
the old radios and stuff, and I remember them looking
and unplugging stuff and trying to figure out what the
heck that was. But just recently I learned about something
(19:14):
called plasmable technology, and there's some videos on YouTube. If
you look at plasma ball voices and you could play
a little clip of it, it sounds very similar, like
an electronic sounding voice like what we heard that night.
Were they I mean, here's my big thing. If the
(19:34):
military was out there doing experiments with lasers or different
plasma ball technologies or MK ultra kind of stuff, why
not just purchase the property. It's hat bank it for
all those years. Why not just purchase it, you know.
And then there's the cattle mutilation thing. I mean, we
have all these blacked out helicopters happening at the time.
If they wanted to do this to cattle, they certainly
had the resources to just test cattle. I mean, it
(19:57):
just doesn't make any logical sense to me that the
military wouldn't just purchase a property or was it John
Duke who's part of the air Force, and it is
said that. And I have communications on a limited basis
via Facebook with the youngest son and he, you know,
I'm asking questions about John, the main person on the ranch,
(20:19):
and very little is known about him. But he did
say that oftentimes he would invite like homeless people, vagrants,
people from the state hospitals. And we know that through
MK Ultra they use these type of people right to
do experiments on. And then my half brother at the
(20:39):
time is in the state hospital in Pueblo. Is there
a connection there? I don't know, it's a possibility something
I have to look at. Yeah, it's like deep because.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, it's like endless. So do you think your brother
was involved any kind of MK altrista.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I don't know. You know, it's really interesting because his
problem started and back in the sixties they did not
have autism, right, it wasn't a known condition. And talking
to my aunts and my mother and people who knew
Gary as a younger boy. He has since passed to
my brother has passed, but he exhibited a lot of
(21:25):
characteristics of a child who is on the autism spectrum.
And I have a child as well who is PDD
on the autism spectrum. And so back in those years,
they would a institutionalize people who were mentally ill way
quicker than they do now. Obviously they're filling up these
(21:45):
state hospitals. So his started in Chicago and then they
labeled him schizophrenic on top of it. So his education
is very limited. But looking at his handwriting his letters,
the note he left in the fire, he burnt down
two of our homes, burnt down a home we bought
in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, and he burnt down our home
here in Colorado in nineteen seventy three. He poured gasoline
(22:07):
on the outside and torched it. I was at school
down the street, at my elementary school. So but reading
the letters that he wrote and left in the fire,
I still have it. It it's very cryptid sounding. It's
he a for the lack of education. He had super intelligence,
off the chart, very He did like he was an
(22:27):
artist and did these amazing pieces of artwork.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But he.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Sounded like he like he talked about his halem memory,
and you know, people he knew on the other side,
like it's really interesting. I'm not saying I don't know,
but after the second fire here in Colorado, my mom
and dad had to press charges for insurance and he
(22:54):
ended up, you know, serving time at the state hospital
on Pueblo. And then you fast forward a couple of
years and then the ranch stuff starts happening. So and
I remember, you know, I'm in elementary school at the time,
a lot of trauma, the divorce, the fires, all this,
and before the fire, he took an axe to our furniture,
walked in, there's an axe, and so a lot of
(23:14):
kind of really traumatic stuff. So I was being pulled
out into these small groups in school, and I remember
even being taken on a bus once a week and
going to some little thing and doing these tests and
things like that. I don't know what that was about.
I remember being told to me that I had speech impediments,
but I don't remember recall having a speech impediment, So
(23:35):
it's like mysterious. I don't know if they were looking
at the trauma piece or as in groups for divorce
or what that was. But it's really it's all kind
of I don't know, it's just a strange time for me,
you know. And then my sister, being she's six years older,
as soon as she was able to, when she graduated
high school, she moved to Gillett, Wyoming. She's like, I'm
(23:56):
out of here. So then it was just me and
my mom, you know, and the boys lived with us
through those years, but then they moved back with their dad.
So just a really crazy time during the ranch years
for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know. I had a weird dream last night. I
don't know if it's related to any of this, but
it was the kind of dream that I haven't had
in years. I haven't had a dream like this in years,
and whatever that dream was, if it was a dream,
but in the middle of the night, some person was
next to me and I got scared and I thought
(24:33):
it was going to hurt me. So I get up
out of the bed and I go to the front
door to get out of the house, and he's just
following me. He's not hurting me at all. And so
I opened the front door and there's all these people
in my front yard and they're telling me that they're
doing landscaping. But it's like four o'clock in the morning
or something, and so I want to scream help, but
(24:53):
I can't. It's like slow motion and I'm like, nothing's
going to out. You don't have that ever happened too? Yeah, right,
I haven't had one of those dreams in years. And
then I woke up this morning. I'm like, the Katie
Page send me an attachment. Right before that anyway, Well,
(25:17):
whatever that man was that was next to me, I
had a good talk with them, and I told him
he can't come back.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right. That's good. That's empowering, like to know that you
can set boundaries. It took me decades to figure that out,
you know, And I don't know if you've had that experience.
But as I got older and I started kind of
dabbling all these esoteric kind of things, just curious learning
about crystals and vibrations and sound, all these things that
a lot of us dabble in. I I'm like, well,
(25:45):
first of all, through doctor Sprinkles files, I learned that
they've been talking about this thing for decades. So all
all these vibrations and all this stuff. I'm like, they're
talking about that in the fifties and the sixties and
the seventies and the eighties and the nineties and we're
like reinventing the wheel. But I used to have these
reoccurring dreams all the time, and what you just said
reminded me of that. The dream I had during those
(26:07):
ranch years. It was like I was I was a
little girl, and I was walking. It was it was
a thread thinner than a strand of hair, like the
thinnest of thread. And in my dream, I was walking
around with this thread and if it broke, I would die.
And I just remember being super It was like this
(26:29):
terrifying dream of don't break the feat thread or I'm
gonna die. And I had that reoccurring for many years,
that that dream. So I don't know. I hope you
didn't get an attachment for me at all.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like way away, there was another part of the dream
that the people in my front yard they were keeping
me so busy that I missed my interview with you.
I couldn't do.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I was so upset.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, So I was glad when I woke up.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
O good. Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
There's another very interesting aspect to your experience when you
were a little girl that carried into season two of
Beyond skin Walker, and it has it's I believe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Right here, Yeah, yeah, so this was a really cool thing.
Also to get the I'll never forget the time, well,
a a couple of things. When I first read that
book and I realized that it was investigated, and then
to get the report, I just I was on the
phone with my sister called my mom. Liked to have
these experience that we remember so clearly in a report
(27:38):
was just mind blowing to me. It still blows my mind.
But one time on the ranch, it was the weekend,
me and my sister was a wet, heavy snow and
we decided to go out in front of the ranch
house and flip the frisbee and we looked down on
the ground and it was dry dirt where nothing grew
in this perfectly round circle. The investigator in me, now
all these years later goes, well, well, there's a silo
sitting there? Was there something sitting there? No? No, no, no,
(28:01):
And then to see it in this here and in
the report it actually says that the investigators went out
there to investigate the circle, which was seventy five feet
in diameter, and there were drops of blood outside the
snowless circle, Like, what is that about? Is that tied
to the mutilations that were going on at the time,
and then also in the report there were two of
these circles on the property. I only experienced one in
front of the ranch house when we were playing frisbee.
(28:24):
But now in season two and beyond Skinwalker, this is
where we're shooting the rockets up. And the first season
we shot a little rocket up to kind of pokes
the hornous nest like hello, we're here, We're back. And
then the radio that Crystal Radio experiment. To get back
to that really quick, they put it in the old
part of the house where the only time they would
see shadow little creatures and stuff. It was in that
(28:47):
original old part of the house. The people that live
there now and the daughter that grew up there, she Nicole.
She's on the episodes as well. She also has encounters
with these shadow beings that I had as a kid,
same experience. So I'm like, whoa, what is that about.
But so I'm communicating on you know, the ham Radio
guys there and they're like, okay, we're gonna have another person.
(29:07):
I'm like, hello, do you remember us?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And oh?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And I was like, oh, Like I mean, and what
they don't show, here's what they don't show. And it
actually really surprised me. This what repeated like three times
where we had other people do it nothing, nothing, nothing.
Every time I did, it would jump. But as this
is happening on the like CB radio, we're getting transmissions
(29:31):
from the Vietnam War. They're talking about the Vietnam War
on the radio. And then inside the house, I hear
that they're picking up subtle like almost like clicks, almost
like a what do they call it? Like so os
or and that Travis Taylor was looking at that they
(29:54):
had never heard that before. And I can't talk about
it for season three. We've already filmed for that, and
I can at least say that my sister comes back
with me and they repeat that, and I can't tell
you what happens because of the non disclosures, but mind blowing.
And it was interesting for my sister because she she
(30:15):
has not had the hitchhiker things like I have had,
which is one of those questions that I wonder about,
like why does this activity affect certain people certain ways
and other people in other ways? Like I never could
figure that out. And you know, through being a moof
On investigator that you can have a group of people
(30:37):
and one person in the group. Is it going to
experience something all together different than the other people in
the group. And it's confusing to me why that would be.
But my sister was like, I don't want whatever is
going on with you to be attached to me, you know,
And I understand that. So I kind of had to like, yeah,
but when we're like in our seventies and our eighties,
we'll be able to say, hey, remember when we did
(30:59):
this and we faced it. And so I was really
happy that she agreed to go on and do that
episode and I'm excited to see that one when it
comes out for season three. But she did go back
with me and we did repeat that, and I can't
wait to be able to talk about what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Oh, I can't wait to see that. That is the
big deal that your sister did that, especially under the
radar with all of this, and now all of a sudden,
she comes up on one of the most popular shows
I know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
And she she was nervous because she she was a
radio broadcaster from coast to coast for a long time,
and I don't think she wanted her actual name out there.
But then at the very last minute, she's like, oh right, Oh,
I aheadn't use my name, So I'm really I'm just
happy she did that because as we're filming and we're
walking around out there, memories are coming back to her
(31:48):
and we got to spend sister time just walking around
the property, and hey, remember this, remember that. We actually
as we're walking, we discovered some hair in the bob
wire really low, and we're like, oh my gosh, maybe
this big foot hair or whatever. It wasn't they have
to anyway. But the other thing on season one though,
and you kind of mentioned it, were those footprints. Yeah,
(32:08):
that was that first night back on it got dark.
They're like, tell us about where you have this box encounter,
which they haven't even touched on the Strange Boxes on
any of the episodes. But that's why we were walking
back there, and we go over the bob wire blizzard.
I mean you could see in Paul and Andy's beards
all frozen, and I had fallen. I was not prepared
(32:28):
for this unexpected blizzard. I mean, we knew we were
gonna get snow, but not like that. And I had
fallen and my my jeans were soaking wet. I was freezing. Anyway,
we're walking back, and all the camera guys are behind
me and out of the snow, and it was snow
so hard that your you know, your tracks are filling
up with snow almost as quickly, as quickly as you're
walking out of nowhere. This is like this blanket of snow.
(32:49):
And then these bipedal footprints I would say six to
ten feet like that, and then they disappear, and then
they come back, and then they disappear again. And that
that was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I'm like,
oh my gosh, I'm so glad you're catching this with
the camera. And of course, like anything like it doesn't
do it justice because it's blizzarding so horrid you can't
(33:12):
really see. But they were very clearly just coming out
of nowhere, like something came up, walked, went under, came up,
walked and went under again.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, that was pretty effective. But you saw something running by,
and that's why you went to look for the footprints.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We well, technically we're going out there to look to
see where I had this box encounter, but why we
were headed because one of the main features on that
ranch property is that big silo, and that was there
when I was a kid. So we were walking and
they were actually doing readings. And this is another thing
that didn't make the episode. They were doing readings around
like the new structure of the house, the old structure
(33:50):
of the house, where the cistern is, where the old
well is, and then they went out to the silo
and did readings. All the old places of the house
gave off really high readings, all new places gave off
low readings. So we were just down there like taking
readings and I saw something run by. I could tell you,
I could tell you what it wasn't It wasn't a cat,
(34:11):
it wasn't a dog, it wasn't a rabbit, it wasn't
a I don't know what it was, but I saw
it clear as day and then boom, it was gone.
And then to have that happen, and then another thing
that happened the following day, when we're poking the hornous
ness with the little rocket is me and one of
the rocket dudes heard like large bird flapping like a
(34:36):
like a big bird flapping its wings, and we're like,
did you hear that? And it's right back there in
the tree line where it's reported they had these big
cryptid birds sighted there like like phoenixes, those kind of things,
and he heard it, I heard it nothing. I don't
know what that was either.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
So oh, can I go back to the messages from
Vietnam on the radio? Yeah? Why didn't they include that
in the show?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I have no idea. I have no idea. And also
if you go to History Channel, I think it's still
on there, but there's like bonus footage just that you
can see like short videos. And the other thing that
did not make season one was we had David Morehouse
do the biggest remote view ever on the ranch property
in season one, and they had over seventy remote viewers
(35:25):
from around the world, and they I think ended up
with like I can't remember, I want to say, seven
thousand data points. And we literally spent on season one
two hours of going through David Morehouse's remote viewer results
on the screen and the garage there, and I went
away there going, oh, my gosh. Either all these seventy
(35:50):
remote viewers from around the world got tipped off and
they had information. How can they know all the stuff
they got? The boxes they got, the sasquatch they got,
the military or police presidence they got, I mean, you
name it. They were talking about all the things that
happened out there, like that this is like a super
highway of interconnectivity and all these things, and it was
(36:13):
the amount of information blew my mind. But thankfully in
season two they kind of brought him back and you know,
kind of touched on it a little bit where they
had the clusters and stuff. And I hope that if
the seasons, if we get lucky enough that they continue,
that they bring more of that remote viewing in because
I think it's fascinating what was revealed through that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes, I remember the one drawing of a portal in
a portal and hitting a wall.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Right right where the rocket went up and then it
because the other rockets were like going away like miles
off course and all these really strange behaviors of these rockets.
But the big rockets that they launched from the cistern
literally up and it's like it kind of did this
and then it's like it hit a wall and came
right down at the landing site where that big circle
on the ground was when we were a kid. And
(37:08):
also for season three, I can't something else bad happened
to me at the landing site, and I can't say,
because of non disclosures. But it was like it makes
me like, go, okay, the other thing on season one
that didn't make it. And I'm not sure I sent
you this picture either. But that night I was not
(37:28):
prepared for the snowstore. So I had a vest on,
a hoodie, a sweater or shirt like I had many layers. Well,
the next day I had my daughter come down to
Castle Rock. We had a day off of filming. I'm like,
let's go to the Columbia store and buy like Long
John's and you know, warmer things. So we spent the
day shopping at the outlet stores in Castle Rock. Then
(37:49):
we go to Red Robin for lunch and we're just
sitting there having lunch and my back started bothering me.
We go back up to my hotel room and I
look and I had it looks like there's three fingers. Yeah,
and it's this big handprint on my shoulder and it's
all blistered. I'll send you, I'll send you the pictures
that you could see it, but it was hot to
(38:10):
the touch. We videotaped it and I showed the crew
the next day. I'm like, look, you know here, and
they videoed everything so they have it all documented, but
they don't know if it's a radiation burn or I
was attacked by something. I didn't lean up against anything.
I don't know how that got there because it was
through many layers of clothing.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah you didn't even feel it, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, I didn't not until the next I was like,
what is this? But it looks like it looks like
this on my shoulder? Like maybe something was just trying
to help me. I maybe shouldn't assume that it's negative
or bad. Maybe they were like, oh, she's falling.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, that robotic sound that gave
you that message pretty much like don't tell anybody, or
it was it sounded like it might hurt you. It's
the message kind of not like that didn't let me
proce mess this up again? Yeah. Do you think those
(39:04):
are humans telling you that message or do you think
those are ets?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, here's the interesting thing. And you know in the
briefing documents they talk about the adults and there were
several And here's the other thing I'd like to say
for your listeners. This all this activity did not just
happen on this one ranch property. This affected the whole
area of Elbert County. I think my Excel spreadsheets up
to two hundred and fifty some people and it's still
(39:29):
going on to this day. So it's from Frank down
to Elizabeth to Kiawa, assimilar to Rayma and I've through
the years, I've done a lot of interviews with these
other people who have experienced things right, and many many
articles about mutilations. Back in the time, the Colorado we
WEREAU of Investigations was involved. Like I said, NORAD Directive
(39:50):
had directives to handle these kind of things. We had
no fly zones put over the counties. We had the
sheriff George Arnell. If you watch the movie A Strange
Heart Vist Linda mullen Howe's movie from I think eighty
eighty one, she talks about a lot of these from
the late seventies and George Arnello's in that movie. And
also Bill Waugh who was the under sheriff. He encountered
(40:12):
the box and the strange lights. So a lot of
adults experience these things. But there were two types of
ets that were said to be seen on this ranch,
along with nine landed discs out where that landing circle is.
Where that circle is nine discs landed right out in
front of the ranch house. One of them were what
I call I was on a show with Paul Giamatti,
(40:35):
which is a whole funny story because I didn't know
who Paul Giumott was. I fell. He walks in to
the studio with this cool mind Control shirt on him,
like cool shirt. I'm like, you look kind of familiar,
and he goes, yeah, I've been in a few movies.
I'm like, oh, okay, And I started talking to this
other person, you know, didn't even know. I have this
two hour actually over to at two hour and twenty
(40:56):
minute interview with Paul Giamatti and whoever the other guy
is and anyway, So I get home up here and
I like, do a Google search on pology of Maadi
and I see the lists of movies. I'm like, oh,
I didn't know who that was. And I'm glad I
didn't know, because I think I would have been nervous
had I known. But I didn't know how I thank
you for my ignorance. But anyway, so he labeled these
(41:18):
guys the twob guys. So there were two types, the
twob guys and then the Nordics. So in the two
be guys had a sketch in doctor Leo's files and
that so this guy along with the skinny arms, now
the doodle of a face in the window. This was
one of the coolest things that ever happened to me.
At the time. I was the guest beer coordinator for
(41:39):
Colorado Move On. And little that little picture in the bottom,
I guess it's my left hand corner with like tubes
in his neck. Those two go together. So this gentleman
by the name of Sean Bartok wrote a book called
Flashbacks about all these things that he had happened to
him on his property. Come to find out after getting
(41:59):
to know him, after he came to speak with us.
His property was only fourteen miles away from the ranch property.
And I'm sitting there watching his presentation, and that base
in the window doodle comes up along with that one
in the corner with the heavy brow and the wrinkles,
and he said, those tubes in the neck actually come
out like tube gay And I'm like, they look awful
(42:21):
similar the shape of the eyes, the heavy brow, the wrinkles,
the tubes. And we didn't know each other, So how
does that happen? And what is that because this is
an unusual type of ET that you don't see very often.
It's not like you know, your average typical graze or whatever.
So one day I'm at the grocery store and there
(42:41):
was a popular mechanics issue as I'm waiting to check
out with my groceries, and it was all about AI
and it kind of hit me, Oh, my gosh, they
have these tub things, right, or maybe these guys are
some sort of AI hybrid kind of creature.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
But the other kind that were there were these Nordic,
the blonde blue eye types, and in their documents, in
the reports, it said they were in conflict with one
another and these boxes that were seen out there by
several adults, and I saw it in the daytime. My
sister remembered having experienced with these unusual boxes that made
this like b sound. They state in the document that
(43:22):
those boxes are lethal, and they showed how lethal they
were by having a sasquatch walk up to and it
dropped it to its knees. In the report, I didn't
witness that. I didn't witness any of these et beings,
but that's what's in the report, and that they had
communications with these ets, and they were just in conflict
with one another, and like we were just like, don't
(43:43):
mind us, We won't mind you, but I can tell
you something about that warning. My mom and Jack took
that warning very seriously and said, don't you talk about
what's going on out there to anybody. So my sister
and I created our own little secret language that we
would talk to each other about, kind of like pig Latin.
Where the e we would you know, I would go
(44:07):
and we would talk that way in secret, and we
didn't talk about it for years and years and years
and years.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
This I'm going to put this back up. This doodle
face in the window.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Are you saying you saw that in the And I
didn't see any of these, but in that the one
the drawing with the shield and the little the skinny
arms and the legs, the big one that drawing there
that was in doctor Leo Sprinkle's files from the ranch,
along with the drawing of the white, fuzzier sasquatch creature
that was seen there on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And then the other two are from that other gentleman
that wrote a book and they look very similar. Yeah see, yeah, see,
we didn't know each other and they look look at that,
the wrinkles, the eye shape, the little mouth, the tubes,
the head shape. It's just really interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Help with the tubes. So you have a lot of
bigfoot activity. Yes, of all, it's not really called Rocky
Mountain Ranch.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
And we don't know where it is, correct, No, we
do know where it is.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, it didn't. It was known in folklore in the
Apple Reports as Clearview Ranch because I didn't want the
town known. They didn't want the attention. They didn't want
the sheriff and the under sheriff wanted, you know, their
credibility to stay intact. They didn't want swarms of people
going out there to the town. But big Mouth Katie
(45:35):
has come out and I'm like, I know it's in
Olburg County, Colorado. And like I said, it wasn't just
at the ranch. You know, there's actually mutilation still occurring
to this day. I just interviewed and we can get
into it a little bit later, but interviewed in Elk
Hunter who hadn't experienced with something very unusual just recently.
So things are still going on out there. But it's
this whole area of Elbert County which in the State
(45:56):
of Colorado is really the Palmer Divide runs right in there.
And the Palmer Divide is a very it's kind of
very similar to the Archiletta Mesa in New Mexico. So
the area is highly magnetic. There's aquifers underground, which David
Pilates talks about and is missing for one utiful connections.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So I think there's something to the geologic makeup of
these areas, the magnetism of these areas, and then you
throw water in the mix, and it's like this magical
recipe I feel with a lot of these locations around
the world.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
You know, Yeah, Katie, you investigate cattle mutilations too.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I kind of I avoided it for a long time
because it's such a controversial topic, not like the rest
of it isn't that's funny, but I kind of thought,
you know what, we have the experts that do that, Chucksokowski,
Christopher O'Brien, lindam Old, and how they're the experts. Let
(46:56):
them do it. But I haven't been able to avoid
it because it's still going on to to stay, not
to the extent it was back then. Back then we
had I mean, people were arming themselves they were afraid
they were going to go to humans next. And of
course Snippy the horse in nineteen sixty seven out there
at the Sant Luis Valley. I just recently interviewed a
gentleman who was one of the first four people to
(47:17):
see Snippy the horse on the ground, and that's going
to be an exciting interview to get out there. Along
with Kerry King and the King family. He was there
for that, but they were mutilating horse, sheep, dog. Even
I found articles about mutilated dog smaller animals, and through
the research I've done just recently, I think there's an
elk connection as well. Elk elk, Yeah, he t's an elk.
(47:43):
There's a famous case called the Carl Higden case in
nineteen seventy four and Carl Higden was in Rawlings, Wyoming.
He was in Medicine Bow National Forest, which actually, if
you watch David Pilatti's Missing four one one, he talks
about a couple cases out there in Medicine Bow and
he was out there hunting elk and encountered also one
(48:04):
who basically shot at the elk and the bullet hits
like this invisible wall and there was a box in
this encounter as well, and this is the year before
the ranch stuff bullet falls to the ground. He's floated
these food pills by this extraterrestrial is like, are you hungry? Well,
if you're hungry, here we'll fix that. Take one of
these pills, which he did. This is a long story.
(48:27):
It's a really cool case. If you haven't heard it,
you should look it up. But he has physical things.
He was taken to the hospital. They tested his blood.
He has the hospital records. Doctor Leo Sprinkle's archives has
all the original photos and information about this case. But
his pickup truck was seen in a different area or
was taken to a different area in this like mud bog.
(48:49):
They had to get it out. His wife. They went
searching for him, and when they found him, he was all,
you know, disoriented and oh my gosh, they took my elk.
They took my elk. But he claim they actually took
him to their planet and everything. It's a really interesting
interesting case. But this happened just the year before, and
there's some commonalities between what was going on at the
(49:11):
ranch and the Carl Higden case in Wyoming. So go figure.
I don't know, I don't know. What's up with these boxes?
That's kind of what I'm interested in lately. I'm trying
to gather up If anybody out there has any box information,
let me know, because.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I've talked with an experiencer who's seen a box. Oh really,
we're talking about a box on the ground, not necessarily
floating about this one was seen on the well, I
saw it floating.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
But they were also seen on the ground, so both.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yes, yes, I have talked with I think two experiences
that have seen something like that. I don't remember where
they were. Uh, do you know.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Did the boxes make any noise?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I don't remember, Katie, I have to go through my
wreck host and see.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That'd be interesting.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, okay, suh, all right, this went by so fast.
We didn't even talk about everything that we wanted to
talk about. Uh, but you have started a new research organization.
If you could just talk about that just for a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, Rocky Mountain Ranch recommunt and research with Katie Page.
And here's how that came about. I you know, I
was doing some podcasting and thought about doing a new show,
and I'm very happy to be a co host on
U I P Studies podcast with Jason Gilmot and doctor Michael.
But here's Rocky Maar copy mark so.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Fun, but I thought I would. I'm sorry to cut
you off, but you're a graphic artist, correct, I am, Yeah, Yes,
you work.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I had, Yeah, I had. I thought that was logo. Yeah,
and doing the products is kind of fun too. But
I just designed a hoodie and I did the two
Beguy T shirt which you can find at Rockymountain Ranch
research dot org and all of that stuff, all the
proceeds that help helps me get equipment because one of
the things I you know, my concept was basically to
(51:12):
kind of take everybody with me as I investigate. So
when I go like I'm putting together the interview with
Joe Spencer, one of the guys from Snippy the Horse,
Like I go on location and I'm doing you know,
I'm trying to redo what they're doing on Skinwalker Ranch,
kind of testing it for myself, or visiting Mount Wilson
Ranch for example, and seeing the caves and conducting interviews
(51:33):
with things. I just thought, well, I want to take
everybody along with me as I do this and share
the information that I'm finding out. How can I do that?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I know, I can do YouTube videos, So I'm I mean,
I'm kind of slow going because I'm kind of learning.
Like my first episode, I had to pull off because
we didn't have the right equipment and the winds blowing,
and I learn how to lower it. It still sounds
awful like World our You know, we're learning and we're
trying to acquire the right equipment, so things sound good
(52:04):
and look good and all that stuff. But it's basically
so I could just take everybody along with me as
I investigate to try and find answers, because I really
truly feel that's how we are going to find the
answers by working together and communicating together.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Well, tell us the name of a YouTube channel, and
also where we can find you if anyone's seeing a box.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Contact me Katie please, yes, please, Two ways you can
find me katiepage dot net or katiepage dot org and
also Rockymountain Rantsresearch dot org. You can find me there
and there's links to contact me at both of those locations.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Okay, well, this is wonderful. I'd love to have you
back so we can talk about other things and season three.
I'm very excited about that. Do you know when it's
coming out or you don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I think it's November or December the rumor, but I
don't know until the rest of you all know. And
what's really funny is I don't know what makes the
episode until I watch it along with all of you guys,
and I'm just like, oh, my gosh. So it's really
interesting for me, like things that I think will make
the episodes that I'm like, oh, I can't believe it,
don't don't. And the reason they don't is because they
(53:18):
all have to kind of tie into Skinwalker Ranch, right,
They're kind of following this kind of this rivel I
guess where everything sort of ties together. So if things
kind of fall outside of that, it doesn't necessarily make
it in there. But I hope eventually they get it
in because I think it's important information and I'm really
thankful to that show that they brought the attention to
these other locations. It's not just the Skinwalker Ranch. It's
(53:42):
multiple locations across the country and even the world that
have these similar types of activity, and I think that's
important that people realize.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
That that there's many places like this. But the researchers
on beyond Skinwalker are really enamored with your Rocky Mountain ranch.
The looks on their faces, they look shocked with some
of the data that they're collecting. All right, Katie, thank
(54:11):
you so much.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Everybody, thank you for spending your time with us. We're
very grateful. Bye.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.