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In the last years of the nineteenthcentury that human affairs were being watched from
the timeless worlds of space. Noone could have dreamed we were being scrutinized.
As someone with a microscope studies creaturesthat swarm and multiply in a drop
of water. Few men even considerthe possibility of life on other planets.

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And yet across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded this
Earth with envious eyes, and slowlyand surely they drew their plans against us.

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Broadcasting by studios somewhere in North America, it is Dark Matters Radio Live,
and now I give you your hosta silver back of apology. Here's
Don Aker, and ladies and gentlemen, let me turn my camera on.

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Welcome to a brand new Dark MattersRadio right now at Halloween. Boy,
I'll tell you it's amazing to mehow quickly this year has scooted by.
It's terrifying. But my god,we're believe it or not, just about

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on the cusp of the Christmas season. Oh and then before you know,
twenty twenty four. I just hopewe're all here when it happens. Hey,
tonight We've got a very special showback again. A lady that I
met roughly not quite maybe two monthsago, who is a medium, somebody

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that absolutely knocked my socks off andmy wife Vicky socks off when we first
met. She has an astounding abilityto I guess the best way to say

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it is to reach the other side. Now, Halloween, I thought would
be a perfect time to do ashow rooted in there into the subject of
Halloween and what it all means.You know, actually this holiday which has

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basically been conscripted by the Christian religionand from its early roots, which at
that time this was known as samHane, not Halloween, but sam Han.
It was a time when the Celtsin Europe believed that the distance between

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our reality and the reality of thosethat have preceded us come very very close
together. Now, things like jackuelinards. As a matter of fact,
today Vicky found a perfect jacquelinder willa pumpkin, and she's been working on

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it off and on all day long, carving the thing up. Eventually,
after it's all done. It's notdone yet, I'm going to take a
photo of it and put it onmy Facebook page. But so far,
boy she's done a great job.And uh, those gourds were originally taken

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by folks and carved into various grotesqueshapes to basically scare off the evil entities
that oh what's this? Put thatback up? Chanel, are our buddy,
Gary kisseled? Gary said, Vickyis between cutting my hair cutting pumpkins.

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Uh okay, well, at anyrate, Uh where was I?
Oh, well, the scary gords. It was believed that evil entities also
roamed about. Hopefully these carved gourdswould scare them off. Now are their

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evil entities? Well, I definitelybelieve in negative influences. All you got
to do is take a look atthe current today world situation and basically that
we'll tell you all you need toknow about evil entities. But with that

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being said, let me bring onthe whole group to Gary kissel is once
again with us, as he ismost weeks when he's not doing something else,
she's starting pumpkins and cutting your hair, that's right, and she sleeps

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with me. Okay, all right? So anyway, Uh, Mark Center
is not going to be here tonight. He's not. He's been a little
under the weather. Message him andhe hasn't replied back. I'm assuming he's
in bed. Yeah yeah, Andtonight also along with my guest, Miss

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Heather Besser, is Miss Renee Barnett, who once upon a time, in
another lifetime was Vicky and my managingeditor at UFO Magazine. Oh yes she
was, and that lady would crackthe whip. Ladies, welcome to the
show. And as soon as Chanelbrings you up. Yes, hi,

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did you have Vicky scissor hands?Oh? That was me. Did you
see what Heather just wrote? Shesaid, y'all want to talk to evil
entities tonight? No, you saidgo. I was like, okay,
let's go. If you want togo after Jack the lanerge, you have
to blame the Irish, do weirin Shenanigans? Yes? Yes, that's

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why entity knocking door right now?Heather, is as someone standing by that
you were talking about? Or isit just evil entities in general? Oh?
No, I was just kidding.But we can if you guys want
to. I don't think I thinkno, thank you, no, thank

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you. We don't need the wedon't need the negative influencers enough around my
God. Just turn on the news, Heather, That's all you're having a
conversation with Gary, or have aconversation with Gary. That's Ja Gary.
That's not Gary, that's Ja GaryAry. That's the name I I bestowed

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upon him for Dark Matters Radio jugGary Clobbery calls me that too, and
he's called clobby, but I callhim clobbery like slobbery. Well, Heather,
what has been up in your worldsince we last had you on a
few weeks ago? Not too much, just doing readings and getting ready for

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Halloween. We've done a bunch oftrunk or treats and everything because I have
a three year old daughter, andyeah, it's just been really fun.
It's got really cold here all ofa sudden. Well, with your ability
that you have and you've had probablyyour entire life, does the time of

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season cause any changes in frequency ormore activity less activity? Now? Halloween?
Now I go back to Buffy theVampire Slayer. I got to tell
you, in full disclosure, wasa very guilty pleasure of mind back in

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the day. Why Angel, Okay, Angel David Burianas Okay, in his
five years on the two Now,he was hot. I liked him too,
did you. I'm not surprised nowI got to tell you. I
remember one thing that Angel told Buffyor somebody at one point that really all

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the supernatural entities kind of shy awayfrom Halloween because that's when all the uh
amateur normals are out fiddling around.Now, from your standpoint, what's the
real story. Well, I believethat everybody says that the bill is thinner
during this time, and I believethat the amateurs whe her we boards and

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trying to summon things and everything makesit thinner like that, because you know
everybody's listening, not not only goodbut also dark. You know they're they're
all listening. Because if you're anamateur and you have a Wiji board in
front of you, Wiji boards area no no, you know you don't
do that because you never know whoyou're gonna get. So, but yeah,

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it's already started. It actually startedfor me. It started yesterday because
you know, I can turn itoff and turn it on when I want
to hear things, and so whenI have it off, usually I don't
hear anything at all. But yesterdaycompletely off. And then people started coming
through, just random, just randompeople that I had no idea who they

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were. They were just kind oflike looking around and kind of you know,
asking me if I could hear them, and I was like absolutely,
you know, is there anything thatyou that you want to get across?
And it wasn't no message or anything. It was just kind of you know,
hi, I'm here and I knowthat you can see me kind of

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thing. What draws them to you? I believe they know that I know
how to communicate with them, andI think that's that's just it. Does
your spirit guide intercede in any ofthat? Sometimes she does, but most
of the time she doesn't, becausethey just come through, you know,

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they come through just like her,And so whenever I think it's her coming
through, it could be someone else. Well, I've got a question about
that because, like you know,I didn't hear your explanation previously on the
spirit guide. What is your spiritguide? Who is it? And is
there a reason that that person isyour spirit guide? Yeah? So my

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spirit guide, her name is Eda. She is actually in my soul group.
A soule group is you know,like a family who you have on
the other side that that you've doneprobably many lives with. I know that
we've done several. I've only askedher about a couple, but they could

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be anybody. They could be oldrelatives, they could be someone who you
don't even know, and their purposesto kind of like guide you in life.
You know, as humans, wehave free will and we can do
whatever we want to do. Sowhenever, let me go, let me
go back a little bit. Soreincarnation is real, okay, and so
whenever before we reincarnate up in heavenor paradise, so whatever you want to

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call it. We have a planand we set out to do these things
and these tasks, and like everythingthat we have done in this lifetime and
everything that we will do is alreadylike we've we've already talked about it before
we came down here. And sothe spirit guides deal is to just kind
of like nudge you to keep youon that right path. Well, mine

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has been noticeably absent. Heather,you're my spirit did okay, I've known
you for a while. I've neverheard about this. Oh yeah, yeah.
Her name is. Her name isSasha. Sasha. She was a

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Navajo indigenous person here. Apparently wehave been She and I, through various
incarnations, have been together a numberof times, and I've been since I
met Heather, I've been trying tosee if she can contact me now she

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may have now. For example,in the evening, not every night,
but a lot of times, I'llgo in and turn on the TV to
watch a movie or something, andI've got a light in the corner of
the living room. And this lighthas always worked perfectly, and recently it's

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been flashing off and on after Ihave it on for a while. Now.
It's not the electrical connections. I'vechecked, but and it's not the
light bulb. So I've kind ofspeculated. I guess is the best word
that you know? Maybe, andHeather, you if you can find out

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during the show, I'd love toknow. Maybe Sasha is in some way
trying to let me know she's there. Well, I will say that that
there is somebody trying to come throughright now, but it's it's not Sasha,
so sorry about that. But he'stalking about the light in the room,

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and he's talking about right now,is talking about his wife Gloria.
Oh my god, his two children, Matt and Nicole. That's Richard Richie.
Oh my god, Oh brother,I miss you, buddy, Richard,
I miss you badly, he said. He wouldn't miss this episode for

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anything. Well, Richie joined mefor years, was a co host on
on this very program. You yes, yes, yes, I am yes.

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I didn't even know Richard's kids' namesmyself, Yeah, Nicole and Matt
Yes does he does? He havea message for me, Heather? He
said that you give your spirit guidea hard time? What a surprise?

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How do I give her head?But he said, but you've give me
a hard time too, so nowit's my turn. Oh oh my god,
Oh that's that's amazing. He seemslike a drankster, like a jokester
kind of guy. Oh yeah,oh yeah yeah. Ask him if he
ran into buck Wheed or Jade.Jade was his favorite little blonde bondshell.

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He said, a lot of thetimes he just has to watch over you
because of all the things that youdecide to do. Okay, ask him
if you read my paper yet.He said he had to watch Vicki with
those scissors today. Oh god,he's funny, he's laughing. He thinks

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he's the funniest person on earth rightnow. Well, is he aware of
Don's like latest work, Like hewrote this big paper that we're going to
be releasing at some point in thenear future on disclosure and you know the

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UFO situation. Uh, is Richardaware of what Don's doing because they did
so much together. Yeah, hesaid, it's all right, It's all
right, he said, like everythingis correct, Like, okay, question
correct. How does he feel I'mdoing this as ghost better? Yea,

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oh my goodness, I need tobe cheer. Yeah he's a cheeky co
host. But yeah. Oh well, what's that Richard blinking the light?
Yes? So not your spirit gud? Was it was Richard? Well,

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ask him if he met Sasha.Yes, he has met Sasha. Uh
huh. Time he visits you,he sees her. Where's she at?
He said, you have to bedoing something right. Yeah. Well that's

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a toss up, pal, that'sa toss up. Oh my god.
Well, first first one to comethrough Richard was uh and I were extremely
close for well over thirty years?Was it that long? Done ninety ninety

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one? Yeah, that's when heand I. Richard and I were out
taking meetings all over Hollywood trying topitch that UFO magazine show, and we
thought we had had it with sciFi and this is back just not long

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after sci Fi came on the ScienceFiction Channel, and they were very interested.
But at that time they basically hadno money and they were running.
They had spent a chunk of moneyfor the rights to run the Invader TV

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series with Roy Sennis. Okay,and by the way, Richard knows or
knew Roy Dennis's son. They usedto have coffee together. I think it
was a Starbucks up near Topanga Canyon, and I tried desperately. I wanted

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desperately to get Royce Innis on theshow to interview him, but unfortunately,
he was up there in years.He's still with us as far as I
know, but he was up therein years and just wasn't up for coming
on the radio. Huh. Justwasn't into doing that at that time in

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his life. He's one of thefew Hollywood celebrities that had a definite belief
in the UFO topic being the realthing. Oh now, here's a little
factoid that you may or may notknow about, but he and his wife

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we're out driving excuse me, downthe four or five here in southern California
one afternoon, roughly three or fourdays before the very first episode aired of
The Invaders, and as they weredriving down. His wife suddenly turned to

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her husband Roy and said, Roy, what's that? And she was looking
up in the sky. It wasa freaking UFO and he saw it,
and she said, oh my god, Roy, who are you gonna call?
Nobody what he said? No,he said, they think it was

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just a publicity stunt for the show. That's exactly what they were bought.
Yep. So well, that showis absolutely one of my favorites of the
kid and Roy finis Is he's likeeighty five now, yeah, yeah,
yeah, but yeah, that's so. I mean, you know, you

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think Hollywood, oh my god,it's so big. But if you're familiar,
if you're familiar with the six degreesof separation, Okay, uh that
that that just blows my mind howclose actually you can be to some people.
So yeah, well, especially outhere. You know, it's like

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you wrote to people at the grocerystore, you know that you've seen in
your favorite shows and things like that. But that's really interesting. I never
heard that he had his own personalOh yeah, he's a very deep believer
in the topic. Oh yes,he very deep. You remember anything like

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that of what he saw? Oh, it was just a disc in the
sky flying along just a disc.But now I heard back in well,
when I was doing my original firstradio broadcast UFOs tonight, and incidentally,

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ladies and gentlemen, Renee was thelady that did all the commercials on the
air right down there in studio,and she gave out the phone number.
Yes, I did one year whenI was broadcasting with Dwhite Schultz and it

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might have been his birthday. Idon't remember that. Renee came in and
sang Happy Birthday, and if youclosed your eyes, you would have swore
to God it was Marilyn Monroe.Do you remember that, Renee? I
do I do Happy Birthday Marilyn Rosestyle Happy Birthday? Yeah? Oh my

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god, I had forgotten all aboutthat. That's funny, Yeah, that
is Yeah. We had some goodtimes out there at the old underground radio
station, freaking Friday Night of mylife for five years. Yeah. Yeah.

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And my wife, now she won'tlike it that I tell this,
but back in those days, okay, she would work on the magazine from
damn near sun up to sunset,but she always had to be with us
when we were doing the show.So Renee, tell her, tell him
what she would do. Oh,we had this big table. It had

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all these microphones that were coming out, so we each had microphones and Vicky
would just crawl under the table andsleep. Well, we go to sleep,
she was, but she did.She would knock out, yeah,

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and the rest of us would justcarry on as we did. But yeah,
it was great. We had somegreat guests and great times, great
surprises, some kind of funny thingswhere people would get pissed off and hang
up on this. Well, yeah, that's all part of the process,

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yeah, Cather. So now yousaid something very interesting a couple of minutes
ago about Ouiji boards. Now,I've been anti Wiji board for practically forever.
As a matter of fact, Iwould not deem one to come into

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my home. But what is thething with those? Do you have any
idea of what it is about thatthat can be dangerous. I'm not saying
it's dangerous per se, but ifit's misused, it can become very dangerous,
can it. Yes, So frommy experience, I'm talking to spirits

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and everything. Spirits are a lotharder to get in contact with than like
bad things, dark entities, demons, things like that. From my knowledge
is that the hounds of the Baskervilles. I'm hearing, Yes, that's Bailey
letting. Everybody knows she's a dog, you know, a dog. For

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the longest time, I thought itwas my dogs in the next room,
and then I thought, oh,it's somebody else's this time. Now it's
my dogs. How a propos onHalloween, it sounds like, you know,
the hounds or the bath or Bill. Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry,

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that's okay. So it's easier toget in contact with bad endts,
especially when you're playing a wigi board, because from my experience talking to spirits
and things like that, that thereis no hell and so bad entities,
dark entities, demons, they allroam the earth and that's why our earth
is going to crap right now,and that's why terrible things happen all the
time, and this is being progressivelyworse. So whenever you're doing a wigi

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board, the first thing that's goingto come through is something bad, you
know. But they're going to assumethemselves as something great, something nice,
and oh we're we're not bad,you know, because that's just how they
do. So if you do thatand you get these wigi boards and you
don't know what you're doing and youdon't know how to clean your house afterwards,

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and you don't know who you're talkingto. You're inviting things into your
home and into your life. Youknow, that could just put a very
big kink into it. Is ittrue that they must in some manner be
invited to come in? If youhave a BIGI board, that's their open
invitation. Well, yeah, becausewhat I was always taught as a kid,

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and my I never messed with them. I don't like them, was
the fact that it's it's a twoway avenue at being conducted by someone who
doesn't know how to open and trackdoors. That's problematic because you can invite
something in and then you don't endit correctly and it's not gone. It's
there, it's still with you.Yes, And that's why you're supposed to

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burn Wuigi boards and everything else,is to try to get it to close.
Burn mm. Yeah, but Wigiboards they're meant for kids, I
think eight plus, so you cansummon demons at eight plus. Yeah.
I had some weird experiences years agoa girlfriend of mine and I with Luigi

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board. It was really bizarre,but there was a lot of negative stuff,
you know that came through. Whathappened, We stopped doing well like
we would. What was really weirdwas and I would test it to make

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sure I wasn't doing anything unconsciously,you know, and I would I would
close my eyes and I would lether read out the letters that we were
going over and stuff just from timeto time. But I remember one time
we were doing it and they said, you know, said we were in

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danger and that there was someone sidethe house. And we were in her
house and it was kind of secluded. There's an area of Los Ange just
called Mount Washington and it's kind oflike the next set of hill over from
Hollywood Hills. It's, you know, not as quite as fancy as Hollywood

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Hills, but it's an artist communityand there's lots of trees in between each
town and everything. So we werekind of isolated. And it's said something
about someone being outside, and thenthe next thing we knew, there was
a knock on the door, andyou know, stupid us, you know,

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we went and answered the door andthere was a guy standing out there
and another guy standing down in thestreet like he was waiting for him.
And the guy said, Hi,we're profits uh, you know, can
you help us out with you know, with some food. Can you can
we come in, you know,get some food or in some water and

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stuff, and you know, wesaid no, no, no, and
we shut the door. But itjust seemed weird that Wigi board said that
there was someone outside and then thisguy comes to the door. And if
he had just come to the doorasking for something, you know, that
wouldn't have been so out of theordinary. But the fact that he said,

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we're profits it, you know,and we were doing the Wuigi board,
it just kind of seemed very weird. But we would there would be
stuff like that, or we wouldbe communicating with something that we thought was
positive and then it would turn negativeafter a while. So it was like
it felt like it had kind oflured us in with some information that we

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could connect with, and then itwould switch over and start being kind of
insulting, you know, and meanand things like that, you know,
like sort of making us, youknow, feel stupid or you know,
it was it would just turn meanand yeah, that's what they do.

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They love it. Yeah, yeah, and uh, things like that.
Now I'm sure there's more, butit's been so long ago, I don't
remember. But I'll never forget andit will later. Uh the week board
after they the guys left, itwas saying they're behind the house, they're

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going to kill you, and youknow all this other stuff, and we
ended up calling the police. Uhdo you remember how many times the knocked
on the door? I don't,I don't. I don't at all know.
You guys were here like a threeknock, like a knock, knock
knock when you started yet demonic?Oh, I did you know when you

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first asked me the question, Ialmost said three, but then I thought
I don't. I don't remember that. But I was just watching the Infield
Poulter Guides documentary that's on Apple.Yeah, and that was the first thing
I noticed that the knocks were comingthree And I'm like, oh, that's
not good mine. Yeah. Didthey tell you why they do that?

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No? No, they're mocking theTrinity, Yeah, the Holy Tiduct.
Yeah, that's so bizarre. NowI'm going to tell you that I don't
like Weeda boys. I never havelife as a kid, I wanted nothing
to do with them. But whenI was in my early twenties, before
I joined the army, I hada bunch of teenage friends that would hit

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skaters. We're skaters, and theywould hang out when we were at a
friend's house, and I decided,I want to scare the shit out of
them to get them to stop wantingto do the wigion. So, you
know, at one point I tookcontrol of it and said that I would
I will make the phone ring atmidnight. And then like at about eleven
forty five, I said, man, I got to I gotta take a

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healthy, you know thing in thebathroom. And I just went to the
bathroom. I crawled out the windowand went to the guy's graand other's guest
house which had a separate phone line, and right I called and nobody picked
up. And so I hung upthe phone and made my way back to
the bath and came out, andlike half the people were gone, and

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like my buddy was in on it. He knew I was gonna do this,
he says, Dude. Everybody screamed. I've always been a dick,
but they never wanted to play withthe weed aboard again. That's it.
But yeah, so I'm you know, curious the other anytime you get someone

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coming forward, uh just spit itout. Don't let us talk up the
whole time with that. Don't letus dangle. Yeah, I was actually
here and she's talking. So she'ssaying that she's only going to be here
whenever you actually need her. Shesaid, the next time that you're going
to need her is during Christmas timewhen your wife decides to put the lights

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on the Christmas tree. Ah okay, And does she know what Bailey's barking
at? If it's just other dogstuff or is there something going on outside?
I'm not joking, I'm being serious, Like what's Bailey barking out out
there? I always wonder, likeyou're in the desert man. Richie is

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going, Yeah, but Sasha isjoking about the lights on the tree too,
because apparently your wife, Vicky getsall anxious when it comes to spacing
the lights out on the Christmas treeor something, and she gets ocd about
it. Yeah yeah, oh wow. She's also talking about her mother,

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Vicky's mother, about how she's beengone like twenty years or so, or
a little over twenty years or something, and she's talking about how she's asking
if Vicky remembers a letter that shewrote or the journal entry something about a
journal entry is something about Abraham Lincoln. She's talking about that, and she's

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saying that In there, she wrotesomething about our reality is closer to the
spirit world than we know. Andthat's in Vicky's mom's journal. Now.
Vicky's mom Mary Joe Okay, whowas a redhead Gary from Missouri, Okay.

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Uh, was a member my namebecause he knows that that's my kryptonite.
My girlfriend's ginger okay Uh. Shewe was a minister in the Unity
Church and a funny little story.She had gotten ill, Okay, and

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she got to the point where sheneeded to have caretakers, so we of
course opened up our home tour.She would be with us for a few
months, then she would go toVicky's sister and be there a few months,
and she'd go back and forth.She ended up passing in July of

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nineteen ninety three, and it wasa cancer thing and it was not easy.
But I'll never forget. When wewere in Sunland, Okay. We
had a house there that we wererenting before we bought our home here.

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We had two dogs, had aLabrador Retriever, a blonde lab Bud or
Bud Light was his name, Andyeah, this was before Bud light became
a bad thing. That's not abad thing. But then we also had

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a little uh she was a shepherdof some type. But Cookie okay,
and Mary Joe loved bud Light.But for some reason she didn't care that
much for Cookie, and Cookie waswas a sweet little dog. Yeah.

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Well, one day I'll never forgetthis. She was coming past VICKI in
my bedroom and Cookie was up onthe bed, and for some reason she
didn't like that, and she chasedher off the bed. And I said,
Marry Joe, I said, welet her get up on the bed.

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Well, Doug shouldn't be on thebed. Well maybe not on your
bed, that on my bed,you know. But she wouldn't chase a
butt off. So I never forgotthat. But oh yeah, I'm going
to mention that about her journal,she's saying that Vicky was twelve whenever she

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had the dream twelve what years old? About or the dream? That dream
that Vicky had? Oh my god, yes she wrote about it, yes,
oh yeah dream And now I rememberVicky telling me about that. Oh

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my god. So Mary Joe wasthere. I was just talking about how
basically like how the bella is thenthat's what she's talking about how there is
the reality that we live in iscloser to basically her reality right now,
and that she knew that a longtime ago. Whenever she said, VICKI

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wistwelve. Yeah, I'm sure shedid. Well. She was. She
was a minister then, so yeah, she had she had some definite ideas
about things. Absolutely, yes,ask her if she likes me any better?
She said no, she's good.She winked. That's really wild.

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I do. I remember now you'retalking about that house, that little gray
house out in uh summer, ohSundling. Yeah, that's right where we
did the Man magazine for a while. Yes, we did. And one
day Renee was there. We werepackaging up magazines to send out to the
subscribers. We were all hungry,and Renee said, well, I'll run

(41:15):
down to ten Pesos, which wasa little Mexican restaurant okay, down on
Foothill Boulevard, and I'll get I'llget all of us some lunch. Oh
great, Well what do you wantdone? Well? I think I ordered
uh burritos okay, uh and andsome refried beans. Well, Renee went

(41:39):
down, got them, came back. We all ate and for some reason
Oh my god, my stomach feltlike I had a lead ball in there.
And that night, close to midnight, my bowels exploded. I had
food poisoning. Do you remember that, I bet the toilet remembers, Oh,

(42:07):
yeah, yes, it did.So that little something extra that I
added in there, probably I shouldn'thave. Probably shouldn't have. But this
is this is for je Gary.So after that happened, Okay, one
day I was in there and Ihad dropped something in the bathroom, dropped

(42:30):
something on the floor, and Iwent down to pick it up, and
I looked at the toilet and underneaththe toilet. Guess what was living there?
A big black widow spider. Oh, man like, Gary loves spiders,

(42:51):
don't you, buddy? Yeah?Uh. The only person that's we're
serecting a phobia than me is mygirlfriend Anama. And who's in the chat.
By the way, the chats veryactive tonight. So you guys are
just hopeless. Then if your boatscared of spiders, who's going to take
care of the spider? Well?Look back in two thousand and three,
my daughter remembers this. I boughta terrarium so I would go and I'm

(43:15):
in Missouri, home of the reclusespider. This is when was it?
Discovery Channel did a documentary on recluses. This is where they shot it right
here. Oh my god. Theywent into a barn here in the Ozarks
and within twenty minutes found over twohundred separate recluse spiders and their recluses.
For a reason, they're hard tofind. They don't make webs. They're

(43:38):
the common house spider of Missouri.I've been bit by them, and I'm
of that small one percentile. Idon't react to the bites. I still
go take the antibiotics just the case, but I just don't react to the
toxins in it. But that doesn'tmean it'll always be that way. But
I would capture these spiders and Iwould put them in a terrarium on my

(43:59):
desk, and it's called immersion therapy. And I was I wanted to conquer
my phobia because I'd been mocked forit from my sister. I have six
siblings, and my middle sister wasjust relentlessly mean to me about it,
and I'm like, I might screwyou. And so I went and I
started catching black widows and I'd keepthem on my desk and I would reach

(44:23):
them with a pencil and it wouldtouch them every day, and then I
would put the prairie and pop backon and I would just sit there with
them next to me all day.And then I got to the point where
I would reach in and touch themwith my finger. And once I was
able to do that, I nolonger freak out. I don't panic now.
It's still it hits me. It'sstill in there, the fear.

(44:45):
I'm just more in control of itnow, and I will what do you
call those rackmads that are the sizeof your fist, big furry uhlas tarantula,
Well, I gotta say I stolethem dead because they're usually dead,
although my girlfriend was like losing it. One next I'm sitting here at the

(45:07):
desk right here, and I lookedto my left and there's this wolf spider,
big fella. He's like he justwalked over and hey, and you
know, he looks me like youknow what's up? And I went,
oh, you went out and thedoors right here, So I opened the
door for him, and he justworked his way around and I helped him
a little bit with my pillow boxand he went out of the house,

(45:27):
turned around and looked at me andraised up his ace and I'm like,
yeah, fuck you too. Andshe's like, I've looked at my girlfriend's
Austria, so she's like, Iwould kid you, Like, well,
I don't need I got I gota I got a tarantula story for you.
And we're here in the high desertright and I've twice killed scorpions.

(45:52):
They came into my kitchen. Okay, one was the black one, which
they say venom is not pleasant,but it's not that bad, and then
the little white ones, which arethe sobs of the scorpion family. But
I got them both one night.This had to be around ninety six,

(46:15):
I think, because there was anelection going on. It must have been
Bob Dole and Bill Clinton, andI had been watching something on TV about
they were going to have a debateor I forget now, but anyway,
I happened to turn my head andlook down the hallway and I've got a

(46:35):
poster now where this thing was.We had another picture there at the time,
but I have a poster abobb ahotep and it wasn't there then.
But I looked and right above thispicture was this big, hairy to rantla

(46:58):
on the wall, and I waslike, yeah. I first thought I
didn't know what the hell it was. So we had a big coffee can
that was empty, and I gotthe coffee can and went over to the
wall, stuck it up there,managed to get the tarantula inside, and

(47:19):
I yelled for Vicky. She wasback in her office. She came out
and she took a look at it, and she said, what are you
going to do with it? AndI said, well, I'm going to
take him outside and release him,but I'm not going to do it now.
I'm going to do it tomorrow.And she said, oh, okay.
So I put some airholes in theplastic lid right, and I put
some duct tape around it, andthen I put it up on the counter.

(47:44):
So just about the time I wasgoing to bed one of those negative
demons, Heather came in and tickledme, and I said, oh my
god, yeah, I'm going todo that to the lid off. Took

(48:05):
them outside and I put them inthe bushes to get him out of there.
But I pried the lid off andI kind of bent around the aluminum
side, and then I put itback up and I had the duct tape
that I had originally okay, sealedit with kind of torn off and I
went to bed because I knew oftenVicky will wake up, like at one

(48:29):
two o'clock in the morning because she'shungry. She's got to have something to
eat low blood sugar, so shewould come out and she'll get something to
eat. But she saw that thingon the counter and she freaked. She
came in grabbing me. Done donedone. That spider got loose and I

(48:52):
woke up. At first, Ididn't know what. I started to laugh,
and she just looked at me andshe said, you saw a bit.
And that triggers my memory in thearmy because we went to Riod and
we were out in the field andwe're on t d Y. You know

(49:13):
what that is, uh, temporaryYeah, I was there at temporary duty
and we were out in the fieldand I woke up one morning and to
my chagrin, there was this camelspider on the guy sleeping there. You
here it is, that's what thosethings look like. I wanted to make

(49:34):
sure to share it with you.And I looked over and I remember the
panic in me. Initially, allI wanted to do was I actually considered
in my mind shooting it up,considered locking and loading, shooting. No,
you can't do that, do that, And so I'm like, going,
how am I going to get thisthing? Because he sounds asleep and
if he moves, I don't knowbecause we got mixed stories of how poisonous.

(49:59):
They're not poisonous all we learned later. But anyway, I ended up
grabbing one of my desert boots.You know, they're just like jungle boots,
but there can and I just grabbedthe smashed into a chest here.
He woke up like oh, lookedat me, like what you're doing?
I said, you can thank melater. I just walked away from it,

(50:23):
but I really did. There wasthis moment I considered shooting it.
I could get really low on thehorizon and just shoot it right off,
and I'm like, what do youdo? You can't do that. They
will put you in prison. SeChanell just said she likes spiders. Yeah,
some people do it. Spider Woman, Spider Woman. Hey, Renee,

(50:47):
you brought it up earlier. Youmind if I show it. This
is to his new short story thatcame out for this Halloween called Troll by
Don Eckery. The artwork for it. Is it up yet? I hope
we're not. This is the artworkI did for his his story. That's
amazing. He did a great job. It's it's ok. I had to

(51:12):
work very quickly to get that donefor him. Really good. I forgot
it was you that did that,and I said the story courtesy image courtesy
of Gary Kessel. What about Chevrolet? Chevrolet? I forgot today. Uh,

(51:34):
but you did a great job onthat, and the story is really
good. It's a great story.I want to do it as a comic.
I want to do it like agraphic novel. I think this dart
stories is the best thing to adaptinto films and into uh comics. Oh
my gosh, what I ever sendyou my other story A person of interest?
Yeah, I hated it though younever said it to me Bert Interest.

(52:00):
I've never read that one. Ohyeah, it's about a cop okay,
imagine that. It's about a copman. He's investigating him and his
partner investigating some missing persons and thenhe finds out it gets a lead on
what is actually taking these people andwhy, And that would make a great

(52:29):
graphic novel too. I'll send itto you. Yeah, man, now
Don. I don't think Don isamused, but he's I think he's finally
sold on it. I don't readmuch anymore because I'm always busy, and
if I get a graphic novel script, I will send it back to the
author. If it's too long,I will tell them short. In this

(52:49):
it needs to be the exact samenumber as the pages of the book when
it's finished, exactly. If it'slonger than that, you're getting too wordy.
And I don't have time to readmore because I'm working all the time.
So I have a read that's histhat's his story. Anyway, I
have a little it's for the Theyoriginally create him for the blind. It's

(53:12):
an audio reader with voices, andthey've gotten really good. And whenever I
read something of Don's, I giveit a Brooklyn accent. That's when Johnny
went down there and said, hey, how you're doing. No, no,
no, how you're doing Oh mygosh. Yeah, but I'm not
from Brooklyn. I know it's supposedto saying it's like your your accent somewhere

(53:38):
between New York and and uh,Boston kind of accent sometimes and so I,
yeah, I could replace you witheither one I'm sorry, I'm a
dick. The stuff that I sayto my friends mean, it's all what
you really think. I'm scared.Okay, let me see here because we

(54:02):
got to go to break. Yeah, and we've still got two minutes.
Yeah, wait out one minute inforty seconds? Is there anybody hanging out?
Heather? Well, we get alot of Heather. Heather had a
question. Heather had a question,and she was too polite, and Heather,
don't be polite, just barge inthere. She wanted to know how

(54:27):
she can see the comments and remarkson all the people in the chat lounge
go to Rumble and you can.What I do is I pop the chat
out separately, so it's right tothe right of the screen here with you
guys, because it's you can't seethe comments in here. Because for some
reason, stream Yard hasn't figured outyet how to work with Rumble, because

(54:49):
I think they've got an exclusive dealreally with YouTube is what it is,
and they make it hard for allthe other streaming services. And I gotta
be honest, Rumbles where it's at. We're getting a lot of he's on
our channel for shows off of Rumblebecause it's just it's going to replace.
It's going to replace YouTube because YouTubehas become too restrictive for streamers, creators,

(55:10):
and well, we want to beable to have the ability to say
what we want. Now we haveto pay the price that people don't like
what we say, but we shouldhave the right to say it and not
be restricted by the service itself andno censorship. And that's that's We're at
the break, guys, so hangon, we'll be back. This is

(55:32):
Dark Matters Radio tonight. My specialguest, Miss Heather Besser and mss Renee
Barnett, and Jae Gary is inhere with me, and Janelle is running
the whole show. So we'll beback after these words stick around. Oh
yeah, is that Joe Walsh onGuitar Net coming back from the commercial break?

(55:54):
It sounds like Joe Wall the RocketScientist is back here. I didn't
know if I was going to beback. I went over to check rumble
and I leaded myself out of streamyard. Oh yeah, I saw you
get kicked and then he came back. Oh, and we got if my

(56:15):
daughter would say, where do yougo? Boomer Boomer? Yeah, yeah,
I was hoping Vicky would answer that. So anyway, Oh and miss
Bailey is here. How are there? Baby? You already had dinner?
I already fetter. So let's getback to the show. Howoween? Uh?

(56:40):
Have you guys any of you hada real scary experience during this time
of year? And I'm going tostart with Heather because Heather is the one
that if anybody I would say mighthave a scary experience, it would be

(57:01):
her. But Heather, have youever had anything around this time of year
that made you say, oh mygod, I think I met my first
husband around this time? Well thatcould be it. No, so nothing

(57:22):
really out of the normal. Imean, my life isn't normal by any
means. But you know, Ithink just the veil that is thin,
you know. And I know alot of people they want me to go
ghost hunting with them during this time, and you know, that's always fun.
It's always active whenever they ghost hunt, because they know they have a
way to communicate, you know.But I mean, nothing out of the

(57:45):
ordinary, all right, Now,that brings something to mind, right there,
ghost hunting. When someone passes,all right, they pass to the
other side of the veil, whatis it that is still here? Or
can they cross over here to influencethings in our reality. Exactly what what

(58:10):
does that? How does that stuffwork? Yeah, So from my experience,
if they've just passed over, theydon't actually know that they've passed over
yet, so it takes a minutefor them to realize. You know,
no one is stuck. There's nosuch thing as a spirit stuck somewhere at

(58:30):
a house. You know. Forinstance, you know, you might go
ghost hunting at the same place twice. One day you have something on camera
and EVPs and you know, allthese pictures and everything, and then the
next time you go and you don'thave anything on there at all. And
that's because you know, they cancome and go as they please, and
they're just not there at that time. If they were stuck there, they
would be there all the time,you know, but they're just drawn to

(58:53):
a place. There is such thingas like residual energy and things like that,
but I mean it's just energy,and that's a you know, you
feel things. You feel sadness,happiness, things like that. Okay,
I had an experience, and Iguess you would have to call it an

(59:13):
MDE a near death experience, althoughI was clinically dead in Vietnam. When
I was wounded, I expired onthe operating table. Okay, And here
was the weird thing about that Ihad had early that morning Okay, before

(59:35):
I got hurt, I had beenout all night long patrolling around this camp
where we were expecting intimate enemy attack. And I was the non commissioned officer
in charge of the reactionary platoon.In other words, if we got hit

(59:57):
and there was a major offensive goingon, and then then it was my
job within the camp to take theteam out there to plug the wire.
Well I got back, it wasin the wee hours of the morning.
I was hungry, I hadn't eatenfor over a day, and I had
a ration well about four roughly fourhours later. And this would have been

(01:00:22):
I don't know, somewhere between nineam and maybe nine thirty something like that
is when I got hit. Nowthey ended up My wounds were extensive enough.
They flew me all the way downto d Nag and they got me
to the hospital. Since they lookedat me, they did a triage.

(01:00:44):
They rushed me into the surgery andthey shot me up with anaesthesia. Well,
because of that ration I had hadhad earlier that Gary can you can
explain what what happens. But Ibegan vomiting, and I vomited to the

(01:01:07):
point where I literally and I rememberbecoming conscious because I guess I was on
the verge of expiring. I couldn'tbreathe. And then the next thing I
knew, and I remember this asvividly as anything. I was suddenly so

(01:01:29):
at peace with myself and everything aroundme. I got to tell you,
I had never experienced anything like thatin my life, and I was just
as happy as a bug and rugand then I realized, I'm floating.

(01:01:52):
This is the sensation. And Ilooked around and I could see the surgical
team working on somebody on the tableand I didn't even at first realize that
was me on the table. AndI thought, ah, okay, and

(01:02:13):
I'm floating away. And suddenly it'slike somebody grabbed me from behind and started
pushing me back, and I heard, your work is not yet done.
And the next thing I knew,I woke up and I see you now.

(01:02:34):
That was strange. And incidentally,that happened on Easter Sunday, April,
the two Easter Sunday. Yeah,this wasn't your time to go,
not at all. I've had somepeople that I've talked to that had near
death experiences before, and they alwayssay the same thing about how it's not

(01:02:54):
painful, it's not like you're goingto sleep, it's just transitioning into a
new life per se, you know. And it's some people, whenever they
go and they see everything that's onthe other side, the peace and the
love that they feel, they don'twant to come back there. Sasha will

(01:03:16):
always be there, yeah, becausewhenever you do your life review or you
know, whenever you go up there, she's going to be She'll be there
for that as well. Can Ilook forward to a to a what from
Sasha? Yeah, I don't thinkthat you would like that very much.

(01:03:38):
I'm sure Richie would do it.You want happy ending on. I don't
know about happy indings and spirit guys. I've never asked about that. Yeah,

(01:03:58):
that's question. Okay, since we'renot censored on this show, apparently
because I've been hearing all kinds ofstuff, He's dropping the amp bombs and
everything else. It's so weird aroundHalloween. Do they have sex on the
other side or no longer needs tobe scratched? Yeah, So from my

(01:04:27):
experience. I think that from becauseduring readings isuff. People have asked me
that before, and whether they're forthcomingabout it or not, you know,
except to them to answer it.But they have said that there is something
like that. So whatever that means, I don't know, because they're not
you know, in physical form.It's I don't know. They call it

(01:04:49):
halo halo. Okay, okay,I don't know. Okay, that's that's
a great place for me to onceagain jump in haloing, which seems I
was joking. I don't know whatto suggest angelic beings now. Once upon

(01:05:16):
a time, and Renee will rememberthis. I had met through Renee and
my old radio producer Jeff Floral,another psyche who ended up I interviewed her
a couple of times. I endedup being she did a reading on me,

(01:05:41):
and you know, hey, lookHeather, I don't know, I'm
pretty, you know, lightweight inthe info department when it comes to this.
But she said at one point,and she might have been BS and
me, but she said I hadeleven eleven that's ten plus one guardian angels

(01:06:02):
at one point because of the thingsI was doing in my life protecting me.
Now, I got to tell you, I trust you a whole lot
more that I ended up trusting her. Yes, is that is that bullshit?
Well? I think that she mighthave mistaken guardian angels for spirit guides

(01:06:25):
and higher guides and things like that, because they can come and go.
Like Sasha is your main one andshe will always be there until the day
that you transition. But you know, if you're in times of need,
like during that time that you werein the military and the service, and
you know, times where times arevery hard, you know where Sasha can't
be the only one there. Morecan come in and they can you know,

(01:06:49):
help out in trying spirit group.They could Yeah, Now, I
mean is that where they would comefrom? As far as you know,
they necessarily have to come from there. I'm not sure how it works,
like how they you know, getpicked and chosen and things like that,
but it could be. But youknow, guardian angels and things like that.

(01:07:14):
I've never actually talked to anyone's guardianangel before because I can't. You
know, guardian angels are higher ofholiness than my capacity angels, and guardian
angels especially have never been here onearth before ever. Never, No,
are you familiar with the Book ofEnoch. No, okay, how about

(01:07:38):
Genesis chapter six, verse one throughfour. I got really into the Bible,
Okay, Okay, it's real simple. I'm not I'm not a religious
kind of guy either. I believein a supreme being that I believe in,

(01:07:59):
Okay. But in the Bible,which is a lot of it came
from ancient Samaria, which was ourfirst recorded civilization that goes back roughly six
thousand years ago. In their writings, they talk about those beings who from

(01:08:20):
heaven to earth came the Anunaki,okay, which basically I think that that's
true. They were extraterrestrials, whatever. But in the Bible it says the
son's plural, the sons of God, which can be interpreted as angelic beings,

(01:08:44):
came to earth, found the daughtersof men to be desirable and took
among them as many wives as theychose, and obviously they had relations with
them, and as a result ofthose relations came the nepheline. All right,

(01:09:05):
so they were able to procreate?Is appropriated? Yes, they procreated,
now, h I would think youmight be interested in maybe looking into
that a little bit, because alot of that stuff is pure fascination.
I'm fascinated by that and what itmeans I don't know. I mean,

(01:09:29):
hey, look, six thousand yearsa lot of stuff could have gotten wrong,
but it's fascinating. Nonetheless, Andthe Book of Enoch okay, which
is a book that the Church removedfrom the Bible, talks for whatever reason
they didn't want the masses to readthis. They talked about those angelic beings,

(01:09:55):
the bad ones that came down toEarth, and as a result,
they had these offspring, this progeny, the nepheline, which ultimately caused God
to arrange the flood to wipe allthem out. So this goes back beyond

(01:10:19):
probably twelve thousand years ago when thiswas originally put down on paper, if
you will, I don't know,but it's it's curious. I find it
very curious. You're saying, donthat the offspring of the Annochi, whoever

(01:10:41):
we were at the time on Earth, those every offspring was called nephelin.
Well, the ones that came asa result of the best sexual relations between
the sons of God and human women. Okay. And of course you know
this is also in Greek, andyou know mythology with the demi gods.

(01:11:10):
It's the same thing. Okay,here's something speaking of demigods. Are you
all familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh? Yep, Okay, okay. Gilgamesh
was one of the very early kingsof the Sumerian city of York or Eric.

(01:11:35):
I hope I'm saying that right,and he was famous. As a
matter of fact, the first bitof written literature ever discovered on Earth was
the Epic of Gilgamesh, which wastaken from King asher Banipol's library. It

(01:11:58):
was discovered in the nineteen twenties,I believe translated, and this is the
first written literature ever. Now,this epic talks about the king Gilgamesh,
who was a demi god. Hisfather was human, his mother was an

(01:12:21):
Anonaki allegedly, and he was bornand took on many characteristics of the Anonaki,
including his height. He was purportedlyseventeen feet tall. Okay. Now,
this guy was a real ravel rouser. And the story itself, the

(01:12:45):
Epic of Gilgamesh, is very interesting. But the reason I bring this up
it turns out I just saw athing on the Internet that allegedly his tomb
was discovered. He was about twentyfive twenty six hundred BC. Okay,

(01:13:09):
is when he allegedly died. Hewas buried within the city in a great
tomb, which over the years,you know, everything collapsed around it.
But they found this and it wasreported and before they could open it is

(01:13:30):
when the United States invaded Iraq toget rid of Saddam, now where this
site was. The army went inand set up a base exactly right there,
chased it. Excuse me, everybodyout, Okay. Nobody knows what

(01:13:55):
happened to the tomb after that.It's believed that one of the reasons they
went there they were looking for ancientartifacts, perhaps technology that the Ano Naki
had brought down other things. Andthey also went into the National or the

(01:14:16):
Natural History Museum in Baghdad and lootedthat and loded that. So whatever they
found is anybody's guests. But thatwas that was some pretty pretty head heady
stuff. Yeah. So where isthat? Is that still called? The

(01:14:41):
same city name they kept? Youare uk or Eric? Yeah, that's
right. So we don't know what'shappening there now. Is it being guarded,
is it or is it everything gone? Now? I wonder I have
no idea and a none whatsoever,None whatsoever. But it's so crazy some

(01:15:09):
of these How did you hear aboutthis? I mean because I stumble over
it and talk about it. Soyeah, I see, I see anything
about archaeology. That's always been oneof my little loves, and I just,
you know, I start to readit to see if it's something I'm
interested in. This was because Gilgameshis if he were real, and it

(01:15:34):
seems to suggest he was real.Now, whether he was seventeen feet tall
as it was purported to be,he was purported to be because he was
a demi god. We do knowthat there were giants in those days.
There have been enough. It's alsoin the beginning of the story of Noves

(01:16:00):
that in the days of Noah,giants around the earth. But and there's
parallels to Gilgamesh and the Great Flood, oh yeah, and just some crazy
stuff. And if he saw themore recent version of Noah with Russell Crowe,
they actually went to the Book ofEnich for that, and that talks

(01:16:20):
about the Nephelim and how they wereturned to stone and that they got their
redemption by helping Noah do what heneeded to do to save all the life.
You know, and that those thathad to die had to die,
and it's it had to battleance andfight for them. It was a really
good film. I actually really likedthat movie. Did you ever see that

(01:16:44):
one? Any of you? Idid that You need to see it because
it is based on the story ofNoah from the book you know from what
that I forget the name. It'sthat we we had to do church Orthodox
in Africa and they're the only ChristianBible that still includes the Book of Enich.

(01:17:06):
Oh, it's interesting, gosh,I think I think it's the same
tribe that says that they have Ohwait, no, it's just it's not.
But I've gotten crossed in my headmany times because there's that tribe that
says they have the Ark of theCovenant. One of the churches in Ethiopia,

(01:17:28):
Thank Catherine's Monastery eether. Were yousaying something or yeah? I said,
Glorious here, Gloria, what isshe? What does she got anything?
Gloria? Guys as my friend whoyou mentioned Easter earlier, dawnche who
passed away on Easter it will bethree years ago this coming Easter suddenly totally

(01:17:51):
unexpectedly, and she and I dida lot of tours in France and the
UK together. Leading So you're you'regoing to France next year, Yes,
because of a date that Gloria gaveyou. Correct. Yeah, you're you're

(01:18:12):
going also, yes, yes,And that's what she's talking about. She's
she's snapping her fingers, oh man, and she's like, let's go,
let's go. Yeah, I know, I've got a lot reminder that time
passes differently on her side. Yeah. I put up a board yesterday,

(01:18:34):
uh in my like I used tohave in my production office just with all
the different projects I'm working on,and I think I shouldn't have done it
because it's scared to hell out ofme because I'm thinking, oh my god,
what am I doing. I'm losingmy mind here doing doing so many
things. But what's really weird is, you know, on my show night

(01:19:00):
Vision on Friday nights on kg RA, I have an official historian named James
Martin who is often on the showand with me. But it's like the
same I'm not finding my words here, but it's like all these different different

(01:19:29):
things. We had this lady whowas a psychic or I guess shews herself
a witch, and I had heron the show before. Name's Rachel Hancock
and she's from Manchester, England,and she's working on her doctorate's degree right
now, so she's no flouch.But she told me about a year ago,

(01:19:49):
oh next year, you're going tobe so busy You're just not even
going to be able to turn around. And I'm going, no, no,
I'm winding down my I'm not buildinggoes no, no, no no.
And so right now I've got tenprojects that working on and I you

(01:20:10):
know, I just had to putthem up on the wall to keep them
straight and everything, to remind myselfto work a bit on each one,
you know when I can. Butit was interesting, ohs full of it.
I'm not going to be you know, gearing up and doing more work,
you know, but that's exactly what'shappened. So you know, well,

(01:20:31):
I want to I want to mentionbefore tonight's show is over a couple
of things. Number One, onSaturday with the kg R, a dB
host Popeye his show Down the rabbitHole. I had joined him this past
Saturday with Commander Cobra and Chris DePerno. We did a show about the current

(01:21:00):
military events. Chris was a marine, I was in the Army, and
Commander Cobra was in the Coastguard,and I think the Air Force. He's
a pilot. Okay, So anyway, after the show was over, I
was talking to the host, Popeye, and we were talking about various things.

(01:21:24):
He's got an interest in the UFOtopic, and I don't think he
knew how extensive my background was.And I told him, I said,
well, yeah, I said,some of the people that I knew,
I was friends with, I workedwith, were people like Zachariah Sitchin,
and that blew him away. AndI said, Ingo Swan, the guy

(01:21:47):
that basically designed the protocols for theStargate program run by the CIA and the
d DIA Defense and Intelligence, AndI said, I knew Colonel Gordon Cooper,
one of the original Mercury seven astronauts. And he said, oh my

(01:22:10):
god. He said, you gotto come on and talk about all those
guys. So we're going to bedoing that on Saturday. And Heather,
if any of those people might bearound or get word that we're going to
be doing that and you hear aboutit during the show, that would be

(01:22:31):
very cool, Okay, for sure, Ingo Swan, Zachariah sitchen, And
Zachariah was one of the first people. You said, he you and I
met. He was the first oneto come through after week. Buckwheet was
the first. Yeah, yeah,yeah, okay, Riah. And and

(01:22:51):
he was with Buckwheek. Yes remember, yes, Buckwheet is with Zachariah.
Oh. Yes. I don't knowif Zacharia is anywhere around at all.
But if you ever do hear fromhim again, could you ask him if

(01:23:16):
he knows anything more or if hefeels any differently about his theories when he
was on Earth, or does hefeel the same about them? Was he
on the right track? And youknow, is his uh does his res
bear out? You know, doesor does he have something that he's learned

(01:23:38):
more on the other side for sure? Yeah, I wish that he would
come through. I just can't makehim come through. But yeah, and
so what did did Gloria have anythingparticular to say? Or is she offering
help or is she just she justyeah, she just bossy And she's just
telling me that she's ready to go, like she wants to do the tour.

(01:24:00):
She's excited, let's let's go,you know kind of thing. Well,
I know that before she told youto have us take a group picture
at a certain point at a certainlocation, which was funny because what you
said was you said, it soundsstupid, but it's like all I was

(01:24:21):
like the Jolly Roger, you know, pirate, you know, crossbow,
skull and crossbones, And I said, I know exactly where you're talking about,
and it's the cemetery at Rendless Chateauin France, where you know,
Sonya is buried. Who is thesort of guy that the priest there,

(01:24:44):
the local village priest that sicked offall the mysteries. He obviously found something
of great importance and secrecy there andsort of started the whole Da Vinci code.
He was it basically kicked off HolyBlood, Holy Grail, and you
know all the subsequent books were basedon that original mystery. Uh so,

(01:25:10):
you know, it was just sofunny because you were going, but it
looks kind of funny, it's kindof and the pick that Dolly Roger or
that skull and crossbones over the cemeterydoes look very cartoonish is a word.
I can't remember what she called,but like the the what's it called,
like, yes, the pediment.Yeah, she kept talking about a pediment

(01:25:36):
and I don't even know what thehell pediment is, and so I looked
it up and it's actually, whenyou have a doorway that has, you
know, a vaulted roof on it, that little triangle inside that area is
called a pediment. And that's exactlywhere on that gate, you know,

(01:26:01):
on on that entrance, there's ayou know, a little roof, and
then inside that triangle is the skulland crossbones that she was referring to.
So I had to look up firstwhat a pediment was. And then when
she said, you know, Idon't know if this makes any sense,
but you know, just seeing likethe Pirate, you know, Jolly Roger

(01:26:25):
or you know, Oh my god, I know exactly what you're talking about.
And so she's, well, that'sokay anyway. So I'm just wondering,
you know, whether or not she'sgoing to show up in the picture,
whether something's going to show up inthe picture. You know why she
wants to Oh, she well,of course, what she's just well,

(01:26:50):
it'd be the first time because sheyou know, she never either I got
I have a question that I thoughtabout many times, and and we among
my friends, like when Richard,my buddy Richie passed, uh, I

(01:27:11):
said, well, now he probablyknows what the real secret is about UFOs
and those things. And when somebodyhas spent their life working on something,
once they pass over, I presumedthat it suddenly becomes very clear to them.

(01:27:33):
Is that the way it works?Or am I just whistling Dixie?
Not? From my knowledge. Onceyou get over there, you know everything.
You know, you know the future, you know the past, and
you know past lives even and thingslike that. So you're you're right,
You're good. Is Richard still around? Or you know what? What about

(01:27:59):
people? What about people that comeinto this existence? Obviously reincarnation, reincarnated,
and every so often you'll hear aboutthese very young children that still recall
their past lives. Now, onevery famous incident, and I saw this

(01:28:25):
years ago. It was on YouTube. A young kid, his parents,
Okay, none of them were militaryor anything like that, but this child
was always talking about when he wasflying an airplane and as a very small
kid, he used to draw picturesof these airplanes and the little man inside

(01:28:49):
is how he described them, caughton fire. And it turned out they
were able to apparently track down thatin his last incarnation. This little boy
had been a navy pilot that wasshot down by the Japanese over in the
Pacific in an airplane that burned upwhen it went down, and he seemed

(01:29:15):
to recall that. And they gotsome names from this little boy, the
name of the aircraft carrier he hadbeen on, supposedly, and they verified
all of that. How does thatwork? Yeah, so we just come
into a different body. We're thesame soul, just a different body.

(01:29:36):
Whatever. We're kids, we don'thave anything to prevent us, you know,
to tell us that we're weird andwe're you know, strange and things
like that. And this is notnormal because as a child, if you're
a young young child like that talking, then you think that's normal, you
know, because you're having all thesethoughts. You know. It's not until
whenever you get older and society tellsyou that's not normal. You know,

(01:29:58):
they put a film, Yeah,my daughter actually does that, and and
and parents. A lot of timesI will say, oh, that was
just a dream, you know,that that didn't happen. So they'll like
sort of suppress them, you know, unwittingly, uh from and it's just

(01:30:19):
saying well maybe it was, maybeit's just my imagination. Maybe I dreamed
it and then they no longer orbe able to get the same info.
But yeah, I think little kidsdo see and hear a lot more than
we do just normally. Yeah,for sure. My daughter who's three years
old, like I said earlier,in her past life, she was actually

(01:30:42):
an outlaw and she was playing withher little Thomas to train engines, you
know, and I was listening.But you know, she doesn't watch outlaw
shows and Butch Cassie and the Sundancekids. She doesn't watch any of that
stuff because you know, I don'twatch any of that stuff. But as
she's playing with her toys, I'mlistening to her and she's telling the people.

(01:31:03):
She's like, all right, everybodyput the money in the hat as
she's robbing the trains, and I'mlike, that's a pot, you know,
for a three year old to say. But I mean, and she
she really believes it. And sometimesshe'll say things she'll say just I can't
even think of like an example rightnow, but she'll just say certain things

(01:31:25):
in her just the way that shesays it and the words that she uses
is not from this time. Strange. What do you think causes someone to
decide to reincarnate back into this existence, I think that they have just unfinished

(01:31:48):
business or if they want to doyou know, more trials in life,
because our earth bound existence right nowseems like a dream, you know,
whenever we're in heaven, because thetime is so different in our time here
as compared to their is so short, and so it's just like a dream.

(01:32:09):
And so I don't know. Iguess unfinished business things that you know,
lessons learned, maybe lessons for otherpeople to learn. Things like that.
And is it true that unborn children, I mean, from your knowledge
when there can see, decide topick their parents. Yes, so not

(01:32:35):
only do you pick your parents,you pick everything that happens in your life,
whether you have you know, achild that passes, or whether you
have you know, whether you're anorphan, or whether you you know,
have some sort of traumatic event thathappens to you. Like, everything that
you choose, you choose in heavenand then you live in he eether.

(01:33:00):
We've talked about that before. Youknow, and you know, and I
can I accept that. I guessyou know that you think, why in
the world would anybody choose to comehere and lose a child, you know,
because that's just you know, horrificas some of us. Renee and
I both have lost a child.Yeah, So is it because it's something

(01:33:29):
we needed to learn from that orwhy why do you think we would choose
that? I think it's losing achild is probably something for other people to
learn through your experiences because you youare able to help you know, other

(01:33:51):
grieving parents who do who don't knowhow how their life is gonna you know,
keep going. Yeah, you know, you're a living testimony both of
you are as to how that youjust you know, can get over it.
I wouldn't say get over it,but you know, get through day
to day and you know, tohelp other people. If other people had

(01:34:12):
questions, I'm sure that you wouldbe more than willing, you know,
to talk them through everything. Really, every time I hear about somebody you
know that's lost a child, I'lleither tell them directly or through one of
their loved ones. You know,Look, if they need anyone to talk
to that knows what's going on here, you know, I'm available twenty four

(01:34:33):
to seven. You know, callme because sometimes it's like I remember,
you know, that's the first thingwas I wanted to speak with someone that
actually knew, you know, whatI was going through, because I needed
someone to tell me that you willget through this. At some point,

(01:34:57):
you will feel joy again. Andit is like a real uh, it's
become like something I really want toget more involved in. And I know,
Heather, we've talked about it beforeabout you know, maybe putting together
retreats and things like that, becauseit seems like there should be a different

(01:35:18):
way for human beings to accept andhandle death, especially if we're finding out
that you know, it's just youknow, we're going to a wonderful,
wonderful place, and that when wedo that, we're also going to see
everyone that you know, that wethat we lost before, everyone that went

(01:35:41):
before us, instead of the youknow, it's tragic, but it's really
tragic for the people that are leftbehind, not for the person who's that
transitioned. You know, we're feelingsorry for ourselves basically, and it's understandable
because you know, someone comes upto you and says, you know,

(01:36:03):
for the next however many years thatyou're going to live, you're not going
to see this person that you loveso much ever, you know, ever
again until you know, until youtransition. So you know, I get
why people are upset, and I'vebeen upset, and I've been you know,
it's a physical it affects you inevery single way. But I wonder

(01:36:28):
if that maybe that's it. Idon't know, Don, And it just
to show that, you know,you can live, you know, because
at that time, I don't know, Gone, if it was the same
for you, probably it's like,how's the world still spinning? How is
everybody just going to work? Youknow? My kid is dead? You

(01:36:49):
know, what in the world isyou know, how can anything ever be
the same again? You know,and it really throws you into a whole
weird situation. You have to thinkabout it to like that's what they chose
as well exactly. And that's whatI mean. It's like I want to
educate myself more about that type ofthing so that I can help other people,

(01:37:15):
you know, first of all,helping people by saying, look,
I'm still standing. You know,I did live through it, you know,
don to. You know, Don'syou know, done a huge body
of work since his tragedy, butyou know, and not taking anything away
from either one of our situations,but we are here as a tenement,

(01:37:42):
you know, two people who havelost a really really close love, love
you know, in many in manyways. Uh, it's been my experience
that the human being can be thetoughest, most enduring thing in creation.
Mm hmm. But conversely, thehuman being can also be so fragile that

(01:38:11):
it's a dichotomy. Okay, it'sit's simply a dichotomy. Uh it.
You know, there there were timeswhen when I thought, man, I
just ain't gonna make it, butI did. Okay, when when we
lost when my former wife and Ilost the child, we were broken up

(01:38:34):
within a year. Yeah, thathappens a lot. That that happens a
lot. And she basically I nowI'm not even gonna say it, but
but she was so shattered that,you know, it was just one of

(01:38:55):
those tragic things. But hey,I remember something I forget. It was
one of my parents. It mighthave been my dad, I don't remember.
But they said this too shall pass, and although at the time I
didn't believe it, it was true. Yeah. Time. Time is a

(01:39:20):
healer, you know. So Ithink if people could really understand that there
is light at the end of thetunnel for them, you know, I've
still got the scar. The scarwill be there forever and you are a
different person. You're forever changed byit. But sometimes it's for the better.

(01:39:42):
You know. I didn't realize thatthere are gifts that you get,
you know, from that kind ofgrief, you know, sort of more
understanding, more empathy for other people, and things like that that you just
didn't quite realize you had in you. So now Nally thinks I got harder.

(01:40:02):
Pardon Vicky thinks I got harder asa result of that. Oh I
did, I know? I did. I mean, you know, it's
it's funny because I used to beso you know, it would be difficult
for me to, you know,say what I really meant, or you

(01:40:23):
know, tell someone off if Ithought they needed it. Now, like,
I'm just cruising for a bruise,and you know, what did I
tell you one? I called Donnaup a couple of days ago, Becker,
I got bone to pick with you. He turned it right back on
me and proved that I was wrong. So you know, I'll take a

(01:40:47):
little bit harder next time before Ido that to Dawn. He goes,
oh you do, and I go, yeah, why did you? Blah
blah, blah, and he goes, oh, hello, young lady,
I send you several messages and Igo, I look and I go,
oh, he's right. But backto you know, what we're talking about.

(01:41:11):
Like that's that's the joy in whatI get whenever I do the things
I do, the readings and everything, is that they can connect with their
loved ones, they can talk totheir spirit guides. And it's almost like
a healing aspect happens because that youyou know, that there isn't just nothing
after we after we pass away.Death isn't bad. Death is death is

(01:41:35):
a good thing. You know,This right here is just the play that
we're doing on Earth until the curtaindrops, you know, and so that
you know, we can talk toour relatives, we can talk to our
loved ones, We can talk toanybody that we want to on the other
side, you know, because theydo hear us, whether they you know,
whether they respond back, whether theygive it damn or not. No,

(01:42:02):
while we're down here suffering, youknow exactly. But if you're up
there, why would you want tocome back though? You know, I
mean, because it's such a glorious, glorious place, you know, And
I'm just thankful that they do actuallycome down here and talk to me,
you know, because they know theyknow we miss them. They know that,
you know, because we have humanemotions and so we can't help that.

(01:42:23):
You know. That's why funerals andeverything's that's that's for us. That's
not for them, right, youknow, exactly exactly. Yeah, grief
is for the people left behind.Yeah, because people on the other side
don't need Well, what about whatabout those entities those individuals that have passed

(01:42:45):
that, as Heather said earlier,have unfinished business. Now that's got to
be an itch that's very tough toscratch. Yeah, there has been several
times that I've done readings that youknow, there's when people that came through
and they they've apologized to somebody,you know, because they know not because

(01:43:12):
that they necessarily feel bad about it, but they know that we feel bad
about it, you know, becausewe have those emotions. They don't have
those emotions anymore. Well, youhad that situation with with Vicki's dad.
He came through to apologize. Mmhmm, is that what you mean?
Yeah, several times like that.Yeah, they come through and they just

(01:43:32):
want you to hear it, youknow, from them one last time,
like they are sorry, and Ithink somehow that makes us feel some sort
of way. You know it is, Yeah, yeah, it is.
It's you know, it definitely makesyou feel a bit bad when you feel

(01:43:53):
like it. You know. Okay, I know where they are. They're
in a good place there, safe, They're fine. You know, I'm
still going to miss them. I'mstill going to be sad about that part.
But at least I'm not going tobe worrying myself to death and where
the heck is my kid? Youknow, all bets are off now,

(01:44:13):
all this religious stuff and superstition andanything else you know, I need to
know, you know, is itfor real? And is you know,
do we go on? Yeah?They're definitely not alone by any means at
all. They're just surrounded by loveand people that love them, you know,
unconditionally and more than we could everimagine. I mean, there's a

(01:44:33):
term on earth that we could useto, you know, describe that that
type of love that they have aroundthem. So and then I'm as different.
You know, when we cross over, do our capabilities or love increase?

(01:44:54):
Like I mean, okay, youknow how you love your child,
you know, well, I lovemy kids more or a different way,
or how does that? How doeslove feel? Is it the same?
If I could describe it the waythat you know that it actually has felt
over there, then you know,I would just know that it's a love

(01:45:17):
that is just limitless, much morethan even a mother can love a child
or a father can love a child. Yes, that's hard to imagine,
isn't it. Yeah, I meanit's really interesting and like I can't wait
to I don't want to say anythingto happen right now, like knock on

(01:45:38):
wood, but you know, butyou know, whenever that happens, it's
going to be wonderful and it's goingto be great. And you know,
I know, whenever my grandmother passedaway, she was kind of like my
mother. You know. I lovedher, you know, and I never
moved because I wanted to stay aroundher. But whatever she passed, I

(01:45:59):
mean, it was it was terrible. You know. It feels like a
piece myself went with her, youknow, yes, oh god, yes,
yeah, And it was terrible.But I knew whenever she passed on
that she was okay, you know, and it was it was fine,

(01:46:19):
and everybody else was crying and youknow, sad, and I could not
help but smile because the way thatshe was making me feel was just elation,
but more than elation, I mean, it was just extreme, extreme
happiness. She was in communication,yes with you. Wow. She doesn't

(01:46:42):
say anything, but I could feelher. So it really is you know,
like you know, people have alwayssaid, you know, going home,
you know, and then when youknow, you hear people talking about
their near death experiences and they say, I was home. You know,
this is not home. That ishome, and when you're there, you

(01:47:04):
can so realize that you know thatthis was just you know, like a
training ground or an exercise or yeah, it's a dream, you know,
a few months before I got hurt, when I was in the army,
I was in Vietnam up on theDMZ and I was got a radio contact

(01:47:31):
from my CEO who was down inQuang Tree and they were telling me to
get down there right away. Andanyway, I ended up leaving the DMZ
going back down to Quand Tree,and I was informed that my granddad,
who had raised me when I wasa real small kid, well my dad

(01:47:54):
was called back into the army forthe Korean War, had had a heart
attack, and I was able toget an emergency medical leave, so I
went back to the States and Igot to see him before he died.
Well, he did die while Iwas still there, and the day of

(01:48:18):
the funeral, we got back fromthe cemetery and were at my grandmother's home
and back in Pennsylvania where I'm from. When somebody dies, you know,
usually a lot of friends and familywill come to the house, bring food,
that kind of stuff, fellowship,you know, to kind of help

(01:48:41):
you deal with it. And I'llnever forget I got. I got so
I was so broken up because Iwas so close to him. I went
back into one of the bedrooms andlaid down and I just I was crying
my eyes out. And this happened, and I never fully understood it,

(01:49:03):
but I'm laying on the bed andI'm just devastated. And suddenly, Heather,
there was like an energy opened upin the bedroom and I heard like
a buzzing sound and I didn't knowwhat it was. And I looked up

(01:49:25):
and this now not my It wasn'tmy grandfather in form was that blue.
It was a blue energy that wasthere. And suddenly I felt calm and
at peace, and I thought tomyself. This is him telling me everything

(01:49:46):
is okay. Was I on themoney, Yes, Yes, that's what
happens. The usually so blue fortranquility, you know, peace and things
like that. That's amazing, greatand just the way that you felt like
that, just imagine times a million. Yeah, wow, Yeah. I

(01:50:09):
never As a matter of fact,Gary, I think I mentioned that to
you one time, didn't I.I talked to my dad all the time.
I've been talking to him for wellsince eight when he passed away,
and I just had to carry onone second precisions with him. And what's
funny is like, sometimes it's veryloving and sometimes I'll mumble, you get

(01:50:33):
best remember the things that he didwell, Guys, I hate to do
that. We're at the end,dude, we are at the end of
the show, Heather Renee, thankyou so much. We will do this
again. Gary, thank you.Mark. If you're at home tuned in,
buddy, I hope you get feelingbetter. Chanelle, as always,

(01:50:57):
you've done a stellar job. Thankyou so much, and gang, have
a great Halloween. Oh two thingsreal quick. I'm going to get in
trouble for running over time. Thursday, a brand new kg R, a
dB show is going to be premieringthat I, Commander Cobra, Christaperno and
Martin Willis will be on the beginning. It's called UAP Crossfire, brand new

(01:51:26):
show. It's going to be bigand on Saturday, if you're around and
available, tune in to Down theRabbit Hole with Popeye because I'll be on
there talking about well, my careerand a lot of people we knew.
That's it. Good night and godspeed as

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