August 10, 2025 • 55 mins
In this continuation of last week’s conversation, the women of IUFOB return to share what gives them hope, how they’re building trust in the field, and why this work matters now more than ever. From generational teamwork to shaping the future of UFO research, it’s an honest look at where we’re headed and how we can all play a role in guiding the future of this work.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Bureau, the official podcast of the International
UFO Bureau, founded in nineteen fifty seven and reimagine for today.
We're fusing decades of discovery with next gen tech to
uncover the truth about unidentified a nomalist phenomena. Join Executive
Director Terry Keel, CEO Midi Taughtfest, and Director of Research
Melissa Madrigal.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Three generations, one.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Mission to investigate the unknown and bring the truth into focus.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is the Bureau.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Wes is our inaugural episode of
the Bureau, where three generations of women come together to
investigate the truth behind and identified anomalist phenomena.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I'm Middy Taughtfest, and I'm joined by my co hosts
Terry link Kiel and Melissa Madrigal. Together we bridge decades
of experience, personal encounters, and shared passion for data driven research.
Whether you're a seasoned skeptic or just newly curious, this
is where our open minds meet the unknown. So thank
you guys for joining us, and Terry and Melissa, if
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you want to give a shout out to everybody listening today.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Yes, I'll say thank you so much. We're so grateful
that you are all joining with us, and thank you.
There's more than fifty thousand followers and we're just so blessed,
and that's a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's has been absolutely overwhelming. I cannot believe the energy
that's been projected towards us recently. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes, absolutely well.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
We were wanting to take this first episode, actually the
first couple of episodes, and just let the audience get
to know us, since we're three women all brought together.
We come from very different backgrounds and we are honestly
like sisters behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I talk to both of you.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Every day, and when Bill approached us with doing a show,
we said, absolutely, let's do it and share our different
viewpoints and really represent the women in the field that don't.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Get a lot of airtime.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
And so that's what we're trying to do with this
platform is really kind of expand the conversation and bring
in new perspectives.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So I'm excited about it. Let's jump in.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
We've got a bunch of questions that we have lined
up just to help the viewers kind of get to
know us, and I'll go ahead and start with the
first one, and Terry if you'll take it from there.
The first question is what was your childhood like and
where did you grow up? When did you first start
to think about life beyond Earth?
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Well, believe it or not, mine started at a very
very young age, as I always remembered different aspects of
being incredibly young as I grew up and I would
have conversations with God. I was very spiritual as a child,
which I wasn't living in a spiritual household. I wasn't
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being taught that. It was just all coming to me.
And I was in Wisconsin for the first eight years
of my life, and then we moved to Florida and
I was there for sixty years of my life and
I am now currently in Tennessee for the last five years.
And so you can add all those up. I'm obviously
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the baby boomer and the one wearing the glasses, Okay,
and I've been through so much, but I can honestly
say it's been a wonderful learning experience and it has
helped me to understand this planet I'm living on, what happens,
what can happen? What often does happen to people? And
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the reason I got involved with all of this was
simply to help others understand what is happening to them.
It frightened me. It was absolutely surreal for me. It
was life changing. And I was different growing up. I
wasn't like everybody else. So this is why I wanted
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to help others. I never wanted anybody to suffer those
horrors that I did alone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I think that a lot of us feel that way,
that we were very different growing up. We always knew
something wasn't quite the same as the other kids.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And you know, you almost feel like an outsider.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And so I think that that's wonderful that that's been
part of your mission as an adult is to make
sure that none of us feel alone in this. And Melissa,
I know that you're over on the other coast. So
do you want to tell us a little bit about
your upbringing and what got you interested?
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I grew up in California with Mount Shasta basically
in my backyard. And Mount Shasta is a place that
she you energetically and spiritually. So starting at a young age,
not only did I grow up with chronic illness, but
I had abilities, so strange encounters were a part of
my daily life. Shasta's where I grounded where I grew up,
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but my overhaul childhood was a blend of wonder and
resilience and a deep connection to the world around me
the first time becoming aware. I've known that there was
life beyond earth. From an early age, I would say
about two years old, I was seeing and experiencing things
that other people couldn't. And by the time I was sixteen,
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I had had my own encounters with what I now
understand was an interdimensional extratrest extraterrestrial being. And so growing
up near Mount Shasta, encounters with UFOs or UAPs, whichever
term you prefer, were just part of the landscape. So
it's been lifelong awareness.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Wow. See, I wish I would have had that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I grew up here in Oklahoma City during the eighties,
and I was actually raised Pentecostal, four square Pentecostal here
in the heart of Oklahoma, and so we had the
long jean skirts and wore our hair up and buns
and everything, and.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It wasn't really talked about.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The unusual and the paranormal were never talked about growing
up in my kind of community that said, my mom
did have abilities.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I had abilities.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I always had visits from hat Man, one of the
shadow figures growing up, and I do have memories of
like flying out the window as a child and seeing
my house below me. So I had all these strange
kind of encounters that made me constantly look at the
sky and wonder. I always knew there was more intrinsically,
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I think that a lot of people have that feel
where they know that we aren't the only intelligent ones
out there, if you want to even call us intelligent,
and that there's so much more to this universe than
a lot of people acknowledge. And so my brain was
always tapped into what else is out there?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know? And I was a big dreamer, I guess.
So it was kind of different.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
For me growing up in Oklahoma City, but you know,
it didn't kill out my wonder and my sense of
adventure and.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Wanting to seek the truth.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
So I think going into the next question, we'll talk
about what generation we were actually raised in, So now
we know where we grew up and kind of some
of our fundamental experiences at a young age.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Melissa, what generation are you?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I am a millennial. I want a millennial. We grew
up in an era where there was past information about
UFOs floating around, but nothing truly solid or verifiable. So
that's created a mix of curiosity and skepticism. And over time,
this generation went through nine to eleven wars, economic crashes, COVID,
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the housing affordability crashes, the social and political up people,
you name it. And so we've seen so many major
events that by now a lot of people are almost
an I don't care, have an I don't care button
when something new comes out. It's not that we aren't curious,
it's that we don't want the fluff. We want the data.
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We want the facts. And what we've been what we've
forgotten for what we have forgotten for years, or what
we have gotten for years has been misinformation and cover ups,
and now with AI in the mix, it's harder than
ever to know what's real and what's fabricated. And in
my opinion, that that serves the people who want to
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keep us in the dark. It keeps the public from
knowing which way is up. But I think that's why
this work that we're doing now is so important, because
credibility and transparency are the only ways we're going to
rebuild trust. In this conversation, it's.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
True, Yeah, so Terry you're the boomer. You want to
tell us kind of about public perception growing up in
that generation and how you've kind of seen it change
ending and I guess with Melissa and then even into
the gen Z and Jen Alpha, which are my kids generation,
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which you got a little taste of a couple of
weeks ago when they were out visiting you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I loved you.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
They're precious. Yes, Well, what I will say is my
generational influences were that there was a lot of giggle factor,
and I was raised to believe that it was all
just comic book entertainment. None of it was real, It
was all fabrication. It was people that wanted fifty minutes
of fame. It was the idiots, the weirdos, you know,
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people that you couldn't trust. This is what I was
fed as a child. So obviously listening to all of
that type of chatter did get me to a persona
that that was true. And so growing up, although so
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many different things spiritually in both an angelic, demonic extraterrestrial
field were happening and also a very godly spiritual faction
of all that was happening to me, I didn't know
what to believe, but I did choose to believe it
was all comic book entertainment until I had my experiences.
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I actually saw with my own two green eyes that
there was a tall white standing right in front of me.
I've also seen angels standing right in front of me.
I've also had full bodied apparitions standing right in front
of me. So these things, my personal experiences, did change
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my perception of what I was told. But really the
giggle factor was the big thing. And of course we
all know now which we thought back then, but didn't realize.
We were being lied to, We were being set up.
Things were not coming out as truth, and I think
that is what has put in me this intense passionate
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desire to tell the truth, because I've been lied to
much longer than both of you, and I've had to
deal with those lives and they caused me, and I'm
sure any baby boomer listening right now, they caused me
to suffer through all that nonsense, you know, instead of
just coming out and telling the truth, we were manipulated.
We were lied to so many different aspects of what
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we heard, and not just from extraterrestrial means, but through
everything every genre that we were living through I mean
everything that was happening to us we rely to politically
and every other thing. So yeah, absolutely, I took a
real strong stance.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, you guys went through the wars, I mean Vietnam,
and I know that there was a lot of public
up people between the two sides with that, where it
was a lot of lies fed to the American people.
And you guys, did you really kind of paved the
way to you think of the hippie.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Movements and the burning of the Bras and.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
You know, standing up to racial inequalities that were you know,
given to you guys from the previous generation, right and
really in your generation, you fought against all of that
to bring about where we are today.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Right, And like the Virginia Slims, you know, you've come
a long way, baby, you know. And I had to
take a look at all of that and decipher now
what is true here, you know, And women just started
coming forward. Back then, they were never really allowed to
be a part of the old boys club or the
old man's club, whichever you want to call it. And
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they took a stand. And it was known back when
I was young that women were idiots, they were not educated,
and they weren't to be trusted, they weren't to be
given a mic on any stance. So we had to
fight to do that, you know, back in those days.
And although believe it or not, back then I was
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incredibly shy. I learned to find my voice and it
was very difficult because I was incredibly introverted and shy,
and all of a sudden I blossomed and those who
know me now would go, oh, you were never shy.
I truly was.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was terry. You know that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I'm being behind the scenes than in front of the camera,
but we find ourselves increasingly being called to be in
front of the camera and working on both sides of things.
But as far as my generation, I represent Gen X,
and I'm even the reject of the rejects, so we're
the forgotten generation. Everyone just kind of brushes over us.
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It's boomers and then the millennials. But I'm actually in
a little micro generation is what they call it. And
I'm an excential, so I am just within that little
three year span or so where I had a completely
analogue childhood and then I had a completely digital adulthood.
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So we had to learn how to bridge that gap.
We were the kids that were We were latchkey kids, Terry.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
While you guys.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Were out, you know, fighting for in inequality and trying
to right past wrong social wrongs, we were being left
home alone and we would come home to an empty
house after school and we would entertain ourselves. We'd go
out on bike rides and go on adventures and I
remember breaking into like old abandoned houses and stuff that
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looked on it. And I mean, our parents never knew
what the heck we were doing. We were always just
left our own devices. But it gave us a lot
of time to sit and think and to question the
official narrative of stuff. And because we had to learn
how to navigate the digital adulthood, we used that to
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build platforms and chat rooms and you remember the old
like AOL chat rooms and stuff that was my generation.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
We have got mail.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, Well, we had all of the forums that were
put together, and we really started coming together to officially
challenge the narrative that had been out there for fifty
sixty years regarding UFOs. Any of us nerds that were
back there, we would jump on and you know, debate
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each other, and it really started growing. The conversation back
then and it's evolved into what we see now where
Melissa gets to step into a generation where there's more
truth in there, but there's also more room for inaccuracies
and Charlatan's. And then you look at my kids generation. Uh,
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my son would be more uh gen Z and my
daughter is more in between. She's right on the cusp
of Gen Alpha, which is the feral generation. And these
kids are feral for a reason.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They don't care. Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
They're gonna say it like they see it and they're
just going to go for it, whereas my son, and
it might be their their personalities too. My son's a
little more reserved. He's gonna argue with you intellectually, and
he's gonna make sure that he has all of his
points in a bullet point presentation for you. So it's
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kind of cool to see how the conversation has evolved
over the different generations and how we've helped each new
generation along and where we're going, because I think by
the time my daughter's generation gets to where we're sitting here,
they are going to be able to see through the
ai lies, any of the fakes and forgeries that are
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out there. They're immediately going to be able to without
having to go back and doing deep analysis, they'll be able.
In fact, she already can pick up on a lot
of the tailtale signs. So yeah, and she's being raised
in this so where it's an open discussion within the family.
It's very cool just to see the progression of it.
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So during your childhood, while you were growing up, your
formative years teens, early twenties, what were specific books or
movies or events that made lasting impressions on you? And
if you don't mind, I'm going to do this one first.
I don't want either one of you taking my answer
because this is a gen X thing.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
For me, it was the X Files.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I think every man and woman alive had a crush
on Jillian Anderson.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't care who you are.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
She was the first portrayal of an intelligent woman who
is looking at this phenomena intelligently, scientifically. She wasn't necessarily
the one. I love that they switched the roles. Really,
they made molder more than metaphysical. One that was an
easy believer, that was an abductee that knew the truth
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of the phenomena, and Scully was the one that had
to have the proof and I think that I kind
of embody both of them at this point, but I
think she really led the way for a lot of
us women in the field today. And I know it's
fictional character, but it made such an impact on me
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in my early teens. I mean, I never missed an
episode and I thought, wow, how could I do that
one day?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And I thought there was never a chance to. And
now I've told you guys before, it's like I'm living
my dream.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'm getting to do what I'm really passionate about and
have been since I was four or five years old
and could actually look into the subject. So with that, Melissa,
I'll throw it to you. What was something that was
really influential to you.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There's been so many things. The teachings of this is
gonna be funnycause we're talking about you, Foks, the teachings
of Maharagigi and Ramana mahar She's really shaped my early
understanding of connection, awareness and the unseen. And then Dolores
Cannon's work had a big impact too, especially how she's
explored consciousness and memory. Guy Needler's work has helped me
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see multi dimensional concepts in a way that feel practical.
I've also had countless life events that have shaped how
I approach everything. I've had the privilege of meeting some
incredible people, some sacred into visuals, who have shared wisdom
and experiences and perspectives that continue to shape my path
even today. On the scientific side, I've drawn inspiration from
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brilliant minds who aren't afraid to push the boundaries, like
doctor Gary Nolan or doctor Jakey's VALI though I think
I butched his name, have been advanced. They've advanced our
understanding and unique ways, whether it's through data patterns or propulsion,
or physics or biological effects of encounters. I also admire
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doctor Joel Tarter, one of the founders of the modern
the SETI program. Her work searching for extraterstural intelligence set
a standard for scientific rigor and persistence and all of these,
all of these influences have completely shaped And then we
have our little shows like X Files. I used to
watch Ghost, Whisper Graham, Supernatural, anything I could get my
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hands on that was going to feed me more.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We had sighting, so I'm remember whenever, probably in the
early eighties was sightings and unsolved mysteries. Of course, coming
back that was a big thing, and I know several
of our friends have been on the new iteration of
unsolved Mysteries. Terry, why don't you fill us in on
some of the things, because I'm really unaware of the
things that were around besides, like the day the Earth
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stood still and kind of the mass chaos and panic
that was put out there back in that time.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Right well, now, remember I was of the impressions that
it was all fake, So I never took any time
to check out anything that may have been out there.
I wasn't reading books about it anything like that. I
did watch a few programs like the Twilight Zone. I mean,
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there wasn't much in my generation, okay, because the world
looked at it as a total falsification. I mean they
lied about Roswell's and the you know, and so it
wasn't something that was taken on. But the Twilight Zone
or some of the other stranger than fiction kind of things.
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I would watch those, and I would try to decipher
what was real and what wasn't real about that. I
didn't read a lot of books about it until much later.
My experience that happened in nineteen seventy nine was my
first even moment of considering that it was all true. However,
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my strong spiritual belief in God would cause me to
question everything. Even though I experienced all of that while
talking to God like, You've got to be kidding me,
This can't be real. I thought it was comic book entertainment. Lord,
You've got to be kidding me. And his response to
me was, Terry, there's so much you don't understand. So
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my experiences weren't about taking information from others trying to
deal with exactly what I was going through. But even then,
it took me twenty nine years to come to a
place where I would consider it. And I read a
book by the Andrea Sens called The Andreasen I Forget
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the Affair or something like that. Yeah, And when I
read that, I was shocked because so many things that
Becky and I had called Becky and talked to Becky.
She became a good friend before she passed years ago,
and Betty, her mom, had talked to her, and I
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was questioning, well, what happened with this or what happened
with that? And she actually was very much a very
strong Christian like myself, and we were able to discuss
all of this from that angle. And I'm not pushing that.
I'm not saying anybody else has to, you know, believe
like me or whatever. But I had found somebody that
I could, for the very first time, discuss this with
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on an intelligent level. And many of the things that
happened to her it happened to me. So the other
things I read were like the Book of Enoch Okay.
I was looking for specific spiritual truth. Remember, I am
such a freak about truth. I wouldn't even growing up,
I would not read things that were not true because
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I used to say to the teachers, even I'm not
reading that. I don't want that garbage in my mind.
And they would say, Terry, you have to do this,
and I'd say, give me an f I'm not reading that.
So I mean, that's how strong I stood on truth
versus you know, fiction, and that's who I am today.
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You know, Terry, here's something I don't think I've ever
asked you in all of the hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That we have talked over the years.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Whenever Betty and Ernie Hill came forward, do you remember
that story coming out? Did you come across that back
in your younger years, before I did come friends with Kathy.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, and I love Kathy, but no, I never heard
that story. It never came to my ears because again,
that was in whatever little UFO business there was there,
you know, back there. What did catch my ear and
my eye momentarily, and this is a fact, is that
Hayden Hughes spoke about a presidential Jimmy Carter reporting a
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UFO sighting, and that absolutely blew me away. And then
of course the Beatles John Lennon had a UFO experience,
the people that I was focused on in my life.
I was hearing different things about that and near death
experiences and then other ghost stories that were identical to mine,
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leaving your body, you know, all these different things going
into the void. These were the things that caught me
instead of the UFO stories. But the presidential report by
Jimmy Carter to me, I knew Hayden Hughes, but I
didn't follow it. I listened, and it started unveiling my
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eyes and opening me up to what was coming down
the road.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Right well, and just to throw in there for people
that are new to us, that are listening to us
for the first time, Hayden Hughes was actually the one
who started the International UFO Bureau back in nineteen fifty seven,
and he had written personally to President Jimmy Carter to
request that he file an official report. So Jimmy actually
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wrote back to him, hand wrote the report and melt.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It back and thanked him for his time.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
And so we are one of or we are the
only organization that is able to say that we have
a presidential report time. Whenever Jimmy filed the report, he
was governor of Georgia, I believe, And so this was
a sighting he had back on the campaign trail in
sixty nine and then he reported it in seventy three.
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So we have a long history. We have a respected
history that we are all trying to pold and really
approach this with bringing everybody back together under the banner
of the Bureau of putting out a very ethical research
and approaching this very level headed and doing justice for
Hayden Hughes. I fill a huge burden with his widow
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bestowing on me all of the archives, allowing me to
use the name, and allowing me to run the organization
today to revive it. So I always everything that we do,
I'm always kind of talking to Hayden in my head
and saying, Hayden, how do you feel about this? Are
we going the right direction? What should we do here?
And so I'm not saying that I hear him, but
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I always try to keep his spirit near me whenever
I'm making major decisions that go into how we are
doing things at the beer, I want to make sure
that we are respecting his memory and we're holding the
right spirit that he put into it all those years ago.
So it's I think we all feel that burden on
us to make sure that we're doing this properly, and
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that's why it's taken us a while. So here's here's
one more question for you. How can you describe the
societal attitudes towards women in leadership, science, and the paranormal
during your growing up and how that shaped your path.
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I think in the nineties for me, eighties and nineties,
it was we were seeing women coming forward. We think
of Dolly with working nine to five, and we had
some strong women that were stepping out and it became
normal because it became normal for both parents to be
working during that time, because the men had come back
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and women had been working in factories and whatnot leading
up to my generation coming forward, and so we saw
a lot more women taking on normal jobs and starting
to bridge that gap into leadership. So for me, it
was never a problem to come forward and speak my truth.
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And I'd, like I said, I prefer to be in
the background, but I know what I know, and I
know what is true to me, and that's what drives
me is being an icy U nurse and going into
the UFO field.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I almost look at it like a patient.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I would think of if a patient told me they
were in pain, I would believe them, but then I
would also look for the evidence behind that. They're going
to have accelerated respiration, the heart rate's going to be up,
their blood pressure is going to be up. I'm going
to be able to see most of the time, some
people handle pain very well and they mask it and
even their vitals won't show it. But for the most part,
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you're going to be able to find a little bit
of evidence to support what someone's telling you. And I
think that we can take that mindset and apply it
directly to the UFO field, where there's a lot of narratives,
but we haven't. We're starting to get into where we're
gathering evidence. Let's back up what these people are telling
us and prove what they're saying. So many of us
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already know the truth of it, that there is this
phenomena going on that we don't have rock solid proof
to be able to say this is the smoking gun.
There's videos that can be faked, there's all kinds of
things that can be faked. But whenever we can find
similarities or consistencies between different cases, that starts building the
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case for the.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Truth behind this. So, I know, I kind of veered
off of the question.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But as far as attitudes towards women, I think that
I grew up during a time when women were starting
to find their voice and we're really stepping forward. We
still haven't hit equality. We're still not there. We still
don't make as much as our milk camera parts, you know,
and it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's frustrating. But I can't even talk right now because I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
I think that it drives us women even more because
we have had to work.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Harder to get where we are.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Whereas for a man, and I'm not putting down the
men in the field, because there are some very wonderful
men that we work with and I owe a lot
to them. But I think we as women, we've learned
how to fight for what we know and for what
we want, and I think that that's kind of the
driving force behind a lot, you know, at least all
three of us, is we're going to continue to fight
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and make sure that our voices are heard.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Wellissa, Yeah, one of the things I've really noticed is
that women in this field, even the ones with brilliant
minds and groundbreaking research, are often left behind. And it's
not about ability, it's about perception. There's still a stigma.
You see it in who gets invited into conversations, whose
voices get amplified, whose work gets taken seriously. And then
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there's another layer how women are sexualized, especially when they're
in leadership roles in public space like this. The reality
is that we deal with explicit comments, constant scrutiny of
our parents, stalking, and that happens no matter how we
present ourselves. I personally experienced it most of my life,
and I know that you women have too. I've learned
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that there will always be people who behave that way,
but I choose not give them my focus. I keep
my focus on my work. On the data and on
the people who are here for the truth. And I
think that that's why representation matters so much. When women
keep showing, keep contributing high quality work, we don't get
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pushed out by these pressures. We change what leadership in
the field looks like. We start making it clear that ability, credibility,
and results matter, not gender appearance. So I feel like
that's kind of been a big point watching within the
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last few years, I mean, aside from what has happened
in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, and well, you bring up a good point about
the sexualization.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
That's something that I think that the men don't understand
who are in this. They may be putting up with
some of the sexual harassment as well. But I know,
first time I was on TV what kind of messages
I got, and of course ably married woman, so I'd
be just showing them to my husband and giggling.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But I mean even recently, I was.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Showing you one where a guy immediately jumped to, so,
I want you to have my children. I saw you
on the documentary channel. How can we make this happen?
And I'm like, in what world I'm sitting here talking
about UFOs just because I'm a woman is not okay
for you to just proposition me.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
The world between his right and left ear. Mindy, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, and Terry, you remember there were a few cases
where I worked with experiencers and I was really trying
to help them process their encounters and instead, in the
middle of this, I'm getting sexual text since me and propositioned.
And I ended up having to reassign those cases to
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one of our police officers who was on our team
so that he could handle it because it was so inappropriate.
And I think that us women face that more than
people know. A lot of women don't talk about it,
but I think that it's important that we do, and
that we put that out there so that women know
that they're not alone. If they step into this field,
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they're going to face those kinds of things. It's nothing
against them, and it's something that they can expect because unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's the society we live in.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
But I will say one thing on the some of
the messages that we saw on Facebook, I did see
a couple of guys stepping forward and going shame on you.
This woman's sitting here talking intelligently and all you can
do is comment on her body.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Right, what's wrong?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, So kudos to them because we need these strong
men to step up and say something to these other
guys in their place. So, Terry, we're getting long winded
like we normally do.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But do you have anything to add into.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Well, yes, and mine is a bit different. You know,
I have had many, many disturbing suggestions from people that
have read my book or been a part of the meeting.
I've been I've been stalked, I've had all kinds of things,
but I really have chosen to supersede all of that
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and I'm just going for truth. What I don't care
if it's the male or the female. I'm looking for
what is truth here, And you know, let's get rid
of what doesn't serve the future as we evolve and
understanding what's happening to us. I was always like, Okay,
these things happen. I mean, ever since I was a child,
(36:29):
I've been attacked by men, even teachers, okay, and even
people in authority, my bosses and things like that, and
even in other organizations, you know, trying to fly me
off and this kind of thing, nonsense, ridiculous stuff. But
what you do is you don't focus on it. You
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just move forward. I've got intentions to do exactly what
I'm doing, and I'm focused and I'm very passionate about
just let's get to the bottom line, let's knock out
the nonsense and just move forward, which you all have.
And I'm proud of both of you because I know
your stories. You're amazing women, and I'm proud to be
(37:12):
in sisterhood with you both and here you know, and
all of the women that we are dealing with IUFO B.
It's been such an honor to have intelligent women and men.
I respect the men of IOFO B. I am blown
(37:32):
away at their level of professionalism, intelligence, the places that
they have been in their lives, the titles that they hold,
and even the books they've all written. It's just amazing.
So I'm very, very proud. And you know, I just
want to get a quick shout out to Samantha who
(37:54):
had a very positive for us and be no thank you,
And there was another gal there. I just looked briefly
at my comments, but thank you all for being here
and thank you for listening. You know, we're happy you're here.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yeah, And sam is one of the powerhouses behind the
bureau she's our national response director, and that girl is
a mover and a shaker. As soon as she got
into that position, she lined everything out, she had everything organized.
She gives us weekly updates. Sam, you are incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yeah, Yeah, there's so many. I mean, we could throw
one hundred names up your sad.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I know, we could sit here and just praise every
single one of them.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
And for the audience, we will be bringing these people on.
We're getting everybody scheduled up and so in future episodes
we'll be able to talk one on one with all
of these incredible people that are backing the Bureau, that
are part of our membership, that are helping us form
the organization that we're putting together. And Terry, one thing
I wanted to mention is you deserve some much credit
(39:01):
for being such a mentor. You've picked me out of
a crowd and you said I'm going to take you places,
and you did. You helped mold me and make me
and make me into the person I am today. And
you still continue to give me wise counsel and you
do the same with Melissa. And there is such a
beauty in the mentorship between the different generations. With what
(39:24):
you've taught me when I'm able to teach Melissa and
what Melissa will be passing on to the next generation,
that sisterhood is very important in everything that we're doing
because we have to know that we can trust one
another if we want to put out any kind of
information that we want the public to trust. And so
I know that I can trust you guys wholeheartedly, and
(39:46):
anything you tell me is going to be in truth,
even if sometimes it's hard to hear, it's always going
to be in truth. And so I appreciate that. And Terry,
you know I love you. I appreciate everything you've done.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So I'm going to skip forward because we're getting short
on time.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
We'll give me just two seconds to respond. It was
divine appointment and I couldn't be more blessed than to
be a part of all of you, all of you
women out there, and you know who you are.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Absolutely, So I'm going to jump back a little bit.
We had talked just briefly about our childhoods. Let's talk
about maybe just a two minute overview of our previous experiences,
because that's one of the important things that we were
looking at as we were bringing people into the bureau
to build the team up, and we wanted people that
(40:40):
were experiencers themselves or else married to an experience or
had a child that's an experiencer, that know it intimately
from that viewpoint where they know that the truth of
the phenomena wholeheartedly, but they also understand the science behind
being able to prove it. So what was your your
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experiences growing up some of the main ones that got
you into this field. Let's start with Melissa.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I've had multiple I mean I've had experiences my whole
life with you a phenomenon, and beyond that, with strange
encounters that have been a part of my life for
as long as I can remember, more than I can
even count. Some more visual sightings O. Those were direct experiences,
were deeply personal. Those moments are not just stories now,
(41:30):
They're part of what drives my work, and I understand
what it's like to witness the side of the phenomenon,
and that's why I'm so committed to bridging that experience
your testimony with verifiable data I've had. But you guys,
want to are we telling like maybe a story or
something I have not told this publicly before. This is
(41:53):
actually this? So you guys will be the first ones
to ever hear it. Indy and Terry have heard it.
When I was about sixteen, that's when I had my
first actual experience with whether you want to call an
interventional being or extrast well being. We live out way
my parents wire dot way out in the country. There's
no neighbors, and so there was a night where we
(42:16):
had a flash on the top of the driveway, and
I had this immediate internal knowing of what it could be.
And my mom has always been terrified of anything extraterrestrial related,
so I didn't say anything. She was used to be
having abilities, so I just sometimes I kept thinking to myself.
Later at that night, she did come downstairs and ask
if I had been messing with a hose outside, because
(42:38):
she could hear it turning on and off and there
was water out there, and I said I hadn't. I
had been in my room. There was not a reason
for me to be outside. Later, I was watching TV
and all of a sudden, the hair standed up all
over my body, and out of the corner of my
eye I saw I caught this movement at my window,
and when I looked, I saw this figure. These actually
(43:01):
couple I think sixteen. There was two or three of them,
and they walked by my window, and now I understand
them to be they were zeta grays. From my understanding,
it shook me. We did not have blinds growing up
being held that far, so I just took sheets and
I pinned them up on my windows. It wasn't until
(43:22):
years later that I told my mom the full story
and she realized how much was actually happening in the
house that we didn't talk about. But that changed that
that specific experienced changed the way I look at phenomenon
because it wasn't even just out there, it was in
my own home. So from that time. That same night
(43:45):
after it was like I don't know, two o'clock in
the morning, and being a teenager, I'm awake all night long.
And I heard my where our house is opposite, so
we have the kitchens upstairs and the bedroom, my bedroom
was downstairs. Well, I heard my dad walk from his
room all the way out to the deck to a
wrap around deck and stand above my wind like on
the deck above where my room would be. And I
just sat there and I ended up falling asleep, and
(44:05):
in the morning I asked him I'm like, did you
what were you doing outside? Was there somebody out there?
Were you looking? And he's like, what are you talking about?
I was sleeping the whole time, so I don't It
was the same night, so I don't know if whatever
it got in the house or whatever it was, But
that was my first experience with something like that. After that,
(44:26):
you know things a door.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Opens, Absolutely, that's what tends to happen. So Terry, I
know that you had a very profound encounter. You've had
a couple back in nineteen seventy nine, which happened to
be the year I was born, so.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
Ouch, and I was already twenty one.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Oh my goodness, Yeah, oh my goodness is right.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
So let's hear about that, and then if you'll go
into a little bit about what happened when you were
a little bit older and when you actually got some
evidence of what had what you had encountered.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Well, you know, I was actually twenty seven. I hate
to say that, but anyway, well, I was going to
share something else that had happened, because we're not at iofob.
Even though we are all about what is going on,
we're also about other things. And I did want to
just share very quickly, and it's very quick because we've
only got a few minutes left here. I was at
(45:24):
work and I had had many weird things happen that week,
and it was in two thousand and nine, I'm sorry,
two thousand and eight, and I was getting up from
my desk to go speak to my boss. Her name
was Kathy at the time, and I wanted to tell
her something spiritual that I had just gotten. It just
(45:48):
came right into my mind. I got up to walk
into her room, and as I walked into her room,
her desk was in front of me, and then there
was a big on the right or the left, just
a big open space, so her desk was there and
file cabinets on the sides, and she was looking at me.
And just as she was going to say to me,
what can I do for you, Terry, she watched and
(46:11):
I experienced a powerful force that came from the left
side of me. Pushed me and shoved me into the wall.
And I had been holding a cup of coffee, and
I tried to put the coffee down so I wouldn't
end up throwing it on Kathy. And as I went down,
(46:32):
I reached over to put this down and my face
was smushed up against the wall, and the power holding
me to the wall was so strong my whole cheek
just went down the wall and she was screaming bloody murder.
And Debbie and Lacey and a couple other of the
(46:52):
girls I was working with came running in to see
my body on the floor with my neck all shoved
up against the wall. And the reason I'm sharing that
instead of one of my very many UFO stories, I've
got over three hundred different things that have happened to
me that I've literally written down to save for my grandchildren,
my great grandchildren. But this particular one is to show
(47:16):
what can happen and how there are forces that we
live with every day that we're dealing with every day,
all of us, not just me. But it just happened
to be that incident. What can happen and people need
to be aware of this. So this is why in
the future, while we're talking, we'll be talking about a
lot of different facts and things that have actually happened
(47:39):
to people. And I just want to wet people's whistles
to know that there's quite a few things we'll be
talking about. Truth and uthology, absolutely, We've got a lot
to talk about there.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
We know that there's in speaking with other experiences and
even the experiences that we firston only had, we know
there's a lot of overlap between different kind of paranormal
phenomena and we don't want to rule out anything until
we have the data that tells us this is absolutely
not part of the phenomena. And a lot of it
(48:14):
what gets me is a lot of it comes down
to perception of the witness what they are seeing. We've
actually been interviewing people. We had people that had spirit
encounters and they took that as an invisible human entity
that was coming from a different planet, and so it
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really is it gets tricky. How do you, you know,
start classifying the different ones because people have different views
and a lot of it goes into their upbringing, their
religious views, or even just how they personally feel, and
that's hard to put down on paper, and you know, qualify. Basically,
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we have to listen to what our experiences are saying.
That was one of the things with the Entity Intake
Report that we were putting together was being able to
take in a multitude and different types of entities. Because
some people consider Bigfoot to be an alien. Some people
consider hat Man to be part of the alien phenomena,
(49:22):
and that was something I was intimately.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Involved with growing up.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I mean, this hat Man was in my room all
the freaking time, even in my twenties when I was
working as a nurse. That's why I worked nights, was
so that I wouldn't have to be home around hat Man.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
As far as the UFO phenomena.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
I had that video that's now up on our website
where it looked like there was communication being given and
we're still doing analysis and Melissa's still doing analysis on it.
And when I sent it to her, it was when
we were still in the building phases and I said,
she said, is there anything I can be doing? And
I said, well, you can look at this. I took
(50:03):
a video out on the cruise. I'm not necessarily an experiencer,
I don't think, but.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
You know, you'll be able to probably identify it.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
And she came back and she's like, oh no, no,
this is intelligent information.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
So she's been comparing.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
It to other sightings and done an incredible job on that.
So if people are interested, you can read the whole
report on our website at internationalufoburea dot com. Yeah, Bill
saying that our show went really quick. We have about
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I did.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'll throw in here that I did have something that
I thought was kind of silly. I was willing to
hear other people's tells about it, their encounters with it,
until it happened to me, and then I was like,
my goodness, this really is real. I had a my
lab an hour or a bad an hour about a
year after I had started investigating, and I remember every
(51:01):
detail about the building I was taken to. I thought
that it was kind of silly. Of course, the military's
abducting abductees. Again, it happened, and I know for certain
I have clear memory of every aspect of that encounter.
And I did come across a mantid, which again I thought,
of all of them, the mantids are weird. And of
(51:23):
course it was a mantid with a myelab that happened
to me. So I think that there's kind of that
jokester spirit around people's encounters where they use what you
think is ridiculous and then they prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
So now I just listen to people.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
And I try to keep my opinions out of it.
I tried to just keep an open mind. So I
will go ahead and skip forward. We've got about four
minutes here. I'm going to ask the question what were
your first steps working in the field and where you
met with any skepticism or support. And so I've got
a video to share with the audience, and I'm not
(52:01):
going to share the whole thing, but I'll share a
little clip of it. So okay, let me put it up.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
Three days I will be on a live release to
show the public what's never been shown before, not in
a documentary, not in a leak.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
This isn't speculation.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
I have confirmed something that's never been proven to the
public until now.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
And the depth. All right, stop, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've been talking about this. Honestly, I
don't know what I was thinking. I was home and
I grabbed was comfortable, and I hit record, and the
next thing I know, two million people have opinions about
my wardrobe. It's kind of hilarious because when you work
in UAB research, you expect debates over like methodology or interpretations,
(52:44):
not whether my shirt is two inches too short. But
here's the thing. It got people talking and if crop
top is the most controversial thing about my research this week.
I think I'm doing pretty good, so, you know, and honestly,
it's a learnt. You know, it's.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Difficult being so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Okay, yeah, it happened to be.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Well, you've garnered a lot of attention.
Speaker 5 (53:08):
I mean, two million views on that one, and people
are still commenting on it and we're not trying to
take that route to get I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Just I know, I look at all the other videos
and I went, what happened?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I think it's just your generation again. You're just what
you were. You were comfortable in.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
It's high outside, let's go on and talk about things.
And you put in two three months of hard work
on that report and then only thing people could talk
about was the crop top. So, so's.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
The crop tops and we're crap tops?
Speaker 6 (53:48):
Yeah there you got to.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
Was there any defining moment when you felt called to
take this work to the next level? And I think
that we can kind of end on that point. We're
one minute out. I think that we all kind of
felt the turn at the end of last year and
people approached us, Me and Terry, we were kind of
done with the field, even though it was kind of
(54:16):
broken hearted for us. But people were tired of the misinformation,
the disinformation, the fractures, the infighting, trying to get the
first scoop putting out sensational things, and people came to
us and said, let's do this right. The public deserts it,
and they had enough faith in us to bring things together.
(54:39):
I had the archives, and I said, well, I've got
the bureau, let's see about resurrecting it, and said that's
where we are. We're about seven months into the rebuild,
and it's still going to be a few months out
before we get our database ready and all of the
systems in place. And people happened to find.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Us too quickly.
Speaker 5 (54:57):
We haven't done any advertising because we thought we were
just speaking to people within the.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Research realm.
Speaker 5 (55:04):
And then of course the audience is brilliant and we
couldn't hide anything from them for too long. So we'd
like to hear from the audience. If you are on
the YouTube channel or on KGRA, please leave us a
message and tell us what was your first memory of
hearing about UFOs or experiencing something you couldn't explain, and
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what generation you grew up in. So thank you guys
so much for joining us. You guys are incredible. I
know just what wonderful women you are. And we'll be
back next week on Sunday at seven pm to finish
up this conversation and let the audience get to know
us a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And then the week following.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
That we'll have doctor Greg Rogers' former team of Aerospace
Medicine from NASA from our Board of Directors joining us.
So thank you guys so much for listening in and
for joining us today, and we have to see you
next time.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Thanks guys, we'll talk to you next week. Thank you
for joining us today on the bureau.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
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Speaker 5 (56:08):
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Welcome to the Bureau, the official podcast of the International
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We're fusing decades of discovery with next gen tech to
uncover the truth about unidentified a nomalist phenomena. Join Executive
Director Terry Keel, CEO Midi Taughtfest, and Director of Research
Melissa Madrigal.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Three generations, one.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Mission to investigate the unknown and bring the truth into focus.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is the Bureau.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Wes is our inaugural episode of
the Bureau, where three generations of women come together to
investigate the truth behind and identified anomalist phenomena.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I'm Middy Taughtfest, and I'm joined by my co hosts
Terry link Kiel and Melissa Madrigal. Together we bridge decades
of experience, personal encounters, and shared passion for data driven research.
Whether you're a seasoned skeptic or just newly curious, this
is where our open minds meet the unknown. So thank
you guys for joining us, and Terry and Melissa, if
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you want to give a shout out to everybody listening today.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Yes, I'll say thank you so much. We're so grateful
that you are all joining with us, and thank you.
There's more than fifty thousand followers and we're just so blessed,
and that's a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's has been absolutely overwhelming. I cannot believe the energy
that's been projected towards us recently. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes, absolutely well.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
We were wanting to take this first episode, actually the
first couple of episodes, and just let the audience get
to know us, since we're three women all brought together.
We come from very different backgrounds and we are honestly
like sisters behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I talk to both of you.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Every day, and when Bill approached us with doing a show,
we said, absolutely, let's do it and share our different
viewpoints and really represent the women in the field that don't.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Get a lot of airtime.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
And so that's what we're trying to do with this
platform is really kind of expand the conversation and bring
in new perspectives.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So I'm excited about it. Let's jump in.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
We've got a bunch of questions that we have lined
up just to help the viewers kind of get to
know us, and I'll go ahead and start with the
first one, and Terry if you'll take it from there.
The first question is what was your childhood like and
where did you grow up? When did you first start
to think about life beyond Earth?
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Well, believe it or not, mine started at a very
very young age, as I always remembered different aspects of
being incredibly young as I grew up and I would
have conversations with God. I was very spiritual as a child,
which I wasn't living in a spiritual household. I wasn't
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being taught that. It was just all coming to me.
And I was in Wisconsin for the first eight years
of my life, and then we moved to Florida and
I was there for sixty years of my life and
I am now currently in Tennessee for the last five years.
And so you can add all those up. I'm obviously
(03:30):
the baby boomer and the one wearing the glasses, Okay,
and I've been through so much, but I can honestly
say it's been a wonderful learning experience and it has
helped me to understand this planet I'm living on, what happens,
what can happen? What often does happen to people? And
(03:55):
the reason I got involved with all of this was
simply to help others understand what is happening to them.
It frightened me. It was absolutely surreal for me. It
was life changing. And I was different growing up. I
wasn't like everybody else. So this is why I wanted
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to help others. I never wanted anybody to suffer those
horrors that I did alone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I think that a lot of us feel that way,
that we were very different growing up. We always knew
something wasn't quite the same as the other kids.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And you know, you almost feel like an outsider.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And so I think that that's wonderful that that's been
part of your mission as an adult is to make
sure that none of us feel alone in this. And Melissa,
I know that you're over on the other coast. So
do you want to tell us a little bit about
your upbringing and what got you interested?
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I grew up in California with Mount Shasta basically
in my backyard. And Mount Shasta is a place that
she you energetically and spiritually. So starting at a young age,
not only did I grow up with chronic illness, but
I had abilities, so strange encounters were a part of
my daily life. Shasta's where I grounded where I grew up,
(05:15):
but my overhaul childhood was a blend of wonder and
resilience and a deep connection to the world around me
the first time becoming aware. I've known that there was
life beyond earth. From an early age, I would say
about two years old, I was seeing and experiencing things
that other people couldn't. And by the time I was sixteen,
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I had had my own encounters with what I now
understand was an interdimensional extratrest extraterrestrial being. And so growing
up near Mount Shasta, encounters with UFOs or UAPs, whichever
term you prefer, were just part of the landscape. So
it's been lifelong awareness.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Wow. See, I wish I would have had that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I grew up here in Oklahoma City during the eighties,
and I was actually raised Pentecostal, four square Pentecostal here
in the heart of Oklahoma, and so we had the
long jean skirts and wore our hair up and buns
and everything, and.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It wasn't really talked about.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
The unusual and the paranormal were never talked about growing
up in my kind of community that said, my mom
did have abilities.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I had abilities.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I always had visits from hat Man, one of the
shadow figures growing up, and I do have memories of
like flying out the window as a child and seeing
my house below me. So I had all these strange
kind of encounters that made me constantly look at the
sky and wonder. I always knew there was more intrinsically,
(06:58):
I think that a lot of people have that feel
where they know that we aren't the only intelligent ones
out there, if you want to even call us intelligent,
and that there's so much more to this universe than
a lot of people acknowledge. And so my brain was
always tapped into what else is out there?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know? And I was a big dreamer, I guess.
So it was kind of different.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
For me growing up in Oklahoma City, but you know,
it didn't kill out my wonder and my sense of
adventure and.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Wanting to seek the truth.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
So I think going into the next question, we'll talk
about what generation we were actually raised in, So now
we know where we grew up and kind of some
of our fundamental experiences at a young age.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Melissa, what generation are you?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I am a millennial. I want a millennial. We grew
up in an era where there was past information about
UFOs floating around, but nothing truly solid or verifiable. So
that's created a mix of curiosity and skepticism. And over time,
this generation went through nine to eleven wars, economic crashes, COVID,
(08:14):
the housing affordability crashes, the social and political up people,
you name it. And so we've seen so many major
events that by now a lot of people are almost
an I don't care, have an I don't care button
when something new comes out. It's not that we aren't curious,
it's that we don't want the fluff. We want the data.
(08:35):
We want the facts. And what we've been what we've
forgotten for what we have forgotten for years, or what
we have gotten for years has been misinformation and cover ups,
and now with AI in the mix, it's harder than
ever to know what's real and what's fabricated. And in
my opinion, that that serves the people who want to
(08:59):
keep us in the dark. It keeps the public from
knowing which way is up. But I think that's why
this work that we're doing now is so important, because
credibility and transparency are the only ways we're going to
rebuild trust. In this conversation, it's.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
True, Yeah, so Terry you're the boomer. You want to
tell us kind of about public perception growing up in
that generation and how you've kind of seen it change
ending and I guess with Melissa and then even into
the gen Z and Jen Alpha, which are my kids generation,
(09:35):
which you got a little taste of a couple of
weeks ago when they were out visiting you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I loved you.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
They're precious. Yes, Well, what I will say is my
generational influences were that there was a lot of giggle factor,
and I was raised to believe that it was all
just comic book entertainment. None of it was real, It
was all fabrication. It was people that wanted fifty minutes
of fame. It was the idiots, the weirdos, you know,
(10:03):
people that you couldn't trust. This is what I was
fed as a child. So obviously listening to all of
that type of chatter did get me to a persona
that that was true. And so growing up, although so
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many different things spiritually in both an angelic, demonic extraterrestrial
field were happening and also a very godly spiritual faction
of all that was happening to me, I didn't know
what to believe, but I did choose to believe it
was all comic book entertainment until I had my experiences.
(10:49):
I actually saw with my own two green eyes that
there was a tall white standing right in front of me.
I've also seen angels standing right in front of me.
I've also had full bodied apparitions standing right in front
of me. So these things, my personal experiences, did change
(11:11):
my perception of what I was told. But really the
giggle factor was the big thing. And of course we
all know now which we thought back then, but didn't realize.
We were being lied to, We were being set up.
Things were not coming out as truth, and I think
that is what has put in me this intense passionate
(11:36):
desire to tell the truth, because I've been lied to
much longer than both of you, and I've had to
deal with those lives and they caused me, and I'm
sure any baby boomer listening right now, they caused me
to suffer through all that nonsense, you know, instead of
just coming out and telling the truth, we were manipulated.
We were lied to so many different aspects of what
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we heard, and not just from extraterrestrial means, but through
everything every genre that we were living through I mean
everything that was happening to us we rely to politically
and every other thing. So yeah, absolutely, I took a
real strong stance.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, you guys went through the wars, I mean Vietnam,
and I know that there was a lot of public
up people between the two sides with that, where it
was a lot of lies fed to the American people.
And you guys, did you really kind of paved the
way to you think of the hippie.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Movements and the burning of the Bras and.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
You know, standing up to racial inequalities that were you know,
given to you guys from the previous generation, right and
really in your generation, you fought against all of that
to bring about where we are today.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Right, And like the Virginia Slims, you know, you've come
a long way, baby, you know. And I had to
take a look at all of that and decipher now
what is true here, you know, And women just started
coming forward. Back then, they were never really allowed to
be a part of the old boys club or the
old man's club, whichever you want to call it. And
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they took a stand. And it was known back when
I was young that women were idiots, they were not educated,
and they weren't to be trusted, they weren't to be
given a mic on any stance. So we had to
fight to do that, you know, back in those days.
And although believe it or not, back then I was
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incredibly shy. I learned to find my voice and it
was very difficult because I was incredibly introverted and shy,
and all of a sudden I blossomed and those who
know me now would go, oh, you were never shy.
I truly was.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It was terry. You know that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I'm being behind the scenes than in front of the camera,
but we find ourselves increasingly being called to be in
front of the camera and working on both sides of things.
But as far as my generation, I represent Gen X,
and I'm even the reject of the rejects, so we're
the forgotten generation. Everyone just kind of brushes over us.
(14:20):
It's boomers and then the millennials. But I'm actually in
a little micro generation is what they call it. And
I'm an excential, so I am just within that little
three year span or so where I had a completely
analogue childhood and then I had a completely digital adulthood.
(14:42):
So we had to learn how to bridge that gap.
We were the kids that were We were latchkey kids, Terry.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
While you guys.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Were out, you know, fighting for in inequality and trying
to right past wrong social wrongs, we were being left
home alone and we would come home to an empty
house after school and we would entertain ourselves. We'd go
out on bike rides and go on adventures and I
remember breaking into like old abandoned houses and stuff that
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looked on it. And I mean, our parents never knew
what the heck we were doing. We were always just
left our own devices. But it gave us a lot
of time to sit and think and to question the
official narrative of stuff. And because we had to learn
how to navigate the digital adulthood, we used that to
(15:33):
build platforms and chat rooms and you remember the old
like AOL chat rooms and stuff that was my generation.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
We have got mail.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, Well, we had all of the forums that were
put together, and we really started coming together to officially
challenge the narrative that had been out there for fifty
sixty years regarding UFOs. Any of us nerds that were
back there, we would jump on and you know, debate
(16:05):
each other, and it really started growing. The conversation back
then and it's evolved into what we see now where
Melissa gets to step into a generation where there's more
truth in there, but there's also more room for inaccuracies
and Charlatan's. And then you look at my kids generation. Uh,
(16:26):
my son would be more uh gen Z and my
daughter is more in between. She's right on the cusp
of Gen Alpha, which is the feral generation. And these
kids are feral for a reason.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They don't care. Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
They're gonna say it like they see it and they're
just going to go for it, whereas my son, and
it might be their their personalities too. My son's a
little more reserved. He's gonna argue with you intellectually, and
he's gonna make sure that he has all of his
points in a bullet point presentation for you. So it's
(17:03):
kind of cool to see how the conversation has evolved
over the different generations and how we've helped each new
generation along and where we're going, because I think by
the time my daughter's generation gets to where we're sitting here,
they are going to be able to see through the
ai lies, any of the fakes and forgeries that are
(17:24):
out there. They're immediately going to be able to without
having to go back and doing deep analysis, they'll be able.
In fact, she already can pick up on a lot
of the tailtale signs. So yeah, and she's being raised
in this so where it's an open discussion within the family.
It's very cool just to see the progression of it.
(17:45):
So during your childhood, while you were growing up, your
formative years teens, early twenties, what were specific books or
movies or events that made lasting impressions on you? And
if you don't mind, I'm going to do this one first.
I don't want either one of you taking my answer
because this is a gen X thing.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
For me, it was the X Files.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I think every man and woman alive had a crush
on Jillian Anderson.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't care who you are.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
She was the first portrayal of an intelligent woman who
is looking at this phenomena intelligently, scientifically. She wasn't necessarily
the one. I love that they switched the roles. Really,
they made molder more than metaphysical. One that was an
easy believer, that was an abductee that knew the truth
(18:38):
of the phenomena, and Scully was the one that had
to have the proof and I think that I kind
of embody both of them at this point, but I
think she really led the way for a lot of
us women in the field today. And I know it's
fictional character, but it made such an impact on me
(18:59):
in my early teens. I mean, I never missed an
episode and I thought, wow, how could I do that
one day?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And I thought there was never a chance to. And
now I've told you guys before, it's like I'm living
my dream.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'm getting to do what I'm really passionate about and
have been since I was four or five years old
and could actually look into the subject. So with that, Melissa,
I'll throw it to you. What was something that was
really influential to you.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There's been so many things. The teachings of this is
gonna be funnycause we're talking about you, Foks, the teachings
of Maharagigi and Ramana mahar She's really shaped my early
understanding of connection, awareness and the unseen. And then Dolores
Cannon's work had a big impact too, especially how she's
explored consciousness and memory. Guy Needler's work has helped me
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see multi dimensional concepts in a way that feel practical.
I've also had countless life events that have shaped how
I approach everything. I've had the privilege of meeting some
incredible people, some sacred into visuals, who have shared wisdom
and experiences and perspectives that continue to shape my path
even today. On the scientific side, I've drawn inspiration from
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brilliant minds who aren't afraid to push the boundaries, like
doctor Gary Nolan or doctor Jakey's VALI though I think
I butched his name, have been advanced. They've advanced our
understanding and unique ways, whether it's through data patterns or propulsion,
or physics or biological effects of encounters. I also admire
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doctor Joel Tarter, one of the founders of the modern
the SETI program. Her work searching for extraterstural intelligence set
a standard for scientific rigor and persistence and all of these,
all of these influences have completely shaped And then we
have our little shows like X Files. I used to
watch Ghost, Whisper Graham, Supernatural, anything I could get my
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hands on that was going to feed me more.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We had sighting, so I'm remember whenever, probably in the
early eighties was sightings and unsolved mysteries. Of course, coming
back that was a big thing, and I know several
of our friends have been on the new iteration of
unsolved Mysteries. Terry, why don't you fill us in on
some of the things, because I'm really unaware of the
things that were around besides, like the day the Earth
(21:19):
stood still and kind of the mass chaos and panic
that was put out there back in that time.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Right well, now, remember I was of the impressions that
it was all fake, So I never took any time
to check out anything that may have been out there.
I wasn't reading books about it anything like that. I
did watch a few programs like the Twilight Zone. I mean,
(21:49):
there wasn't much in my generation, okay, because the world
looked at it as a total falsification. I mean they
lied about Roswell's and the you know, and so it
wasn't something that was taken on. But the Twilight Zone
or some of the other stranger than fiction kind of things.
(22:11):
I would watch those, and I would try to decipher
what was real and what wasn't real about that. I
didn't read a lot of books about it until much later.
My experience that happened in nineteen seventy nine was my
first even moment of considering that it was all true. However,
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my strong spiritual belief in God would cause me to
question everything. Even though I experienced all of that while
talking to God like, You've got to be kidding me,
This can't be real. I thought it was comic book entertainment. Lord,
You've got to be kidding me. And his response to
me was, Terry, there's so much you don't understand. So
(22:56):
my experiences weren't about taking information from others trying to
deal with exactly what I was going through. But even then,
it took me twenty nine years to come to a
place where I would consider it. And I read a
book by the Andrea Sens called The Andreasen I Forget
(23:22):
the Affair or something like that. Yeah, And when I
read that, I was shocked because so many things that
Becky and I had called Becky and talked to Becky.
She became a good friend before she passed years ago,
and Betty, her mom, had talked to her, and I
(23:43):
was questioning, well, what happened with this or what happened
with that? And she actually was very much a very
strong Christian like myself, and we were able to discuss
all of this from that angle. And I'm not pushing that.
I'm not saying anybody else has to, you know, believe
like me or whatever. But I had found somebody that
I could, for the very first time, discuss this with
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on an intelligent level. And many of the things that
happened to her it happened to me. So the other
things I read were like the Book of Enoch Okay.
I was looking for specific spiritual truth. Remember, I am
such a freak about truth. I wouldn't even growing up,
I would not read things that were not true because
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I used to say to the teachers, even I'm not
reading that. I don't want that garbage in my mind.
And they would say, Terry, you have to do this,
and I'd say, give me an f I'm not reading that.
So I mean, that's how strong I stood on truth
versus you know, fiction, and that's who I am today.
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
You know, Terry, here's something I don't think I've ever
asked you in all of the hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That we have talked over the years.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Whenever Betty and Ernie Hill came forward, do you remember
that story coming out? Did you come across that back
in your younger years, before I did come friends with Kathy.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, and I love Kathy, but no, I never heard
that story. It never came to my ears because again,
that was in whatever little UFO business there was there,
you know, back there. What did catch my ear and
my eye momentarily, and this is a fact, is that
Hayden Hughes spoke about a presidential Jimmy Carter reporting a
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UFO sighting, and that absolutely blew me away. And then
of course the Beatles John Lennon had a UFO experience,
the people that I was focused on in my life.
I was hearing different things about that and near death
experiences and then other ghost stories that were identical to mine,
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leaving your body, you know, all these different things going
into the void. These were the things that caught me
instead of the UFO stories. But the presidential report by
Jimmy Carter to me, I knew Hayden Hughes, but I
didn't follow it. I listened, and it started unveiling my
(26:19):
eyes and opening me up to what was coming down
the road.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Right well, and just to throw in there for people
that are new to us, that are listening to us
for the first time, Hayden Hughes was actually the one
who started the International UFO Bureau back in nineteen fifty seven,
and he had written personally to President Jimmy Carter to
request that he file an official report. So Jimmy actually
(26:46):
wrote back to him, hand wrote the report and melt.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It back and thanked him for his time.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
And so we are one of or we are the
only organization that is able to say that we have
a presidential report time. Whenever Jimmy filed the report, he
was governor of Georgia, I believe, And so this was
a sighting he had back on the campaign trail in
sixty nine and then he reported it in seventy three.
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So we have a long history. We have a respected
history that we are all trying to pold and really
approach this with bringing everybody back together under the banner
of the Bureau of putting out a very ethical research
and approaching this very level headed and doing justice for
Hayden Hughes. I fill a huge burden with his widow
(27:36):
bestowing on me all of the archives, allowing me to
use the name, and allowing me to run the organization
today to revive it. So I always everything that we do,
I'm always kind of talking to Hayden in my head
and saying, Hayden, how do you feel about this? Are
we going the right direction? What should we do here?
And so I'm not saying that I hear him, but
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I always try to keep his spirit near me whenever
I'm making major decisions that go into how we are
doing things at the beer, I want to make sure
that we are respecting his memory and we're holding the
right spirit that he put into it all those years ago.
So it's I think we all feel that burden on
us to make sure that we're doing this properly, and
(28:21):
that's why it's taken us a while. So here's here's
one more question for you. How can you describe the
societal attitudes towards women in leadership, science, and the paranormal
during your growing up and how that shaped your path.
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I think in the nineties for me, eighties and nineties,
it was we were seeing women coming forward. We think
of Dolly with working nine to five, and we had
some strong women that were stepping out and it became
normal because it became normal for both parents to be
working during that time, because the men had come back
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and women had been working in factories and whatnot leading
up to my generation coming forward, and so we saw
a lot more women taking on normal jobs and starting
to bridge that gap into leadership. So for me, it
was never a problem to come forward and speak my truth.
(29:28):
And I'd, like I said, I prefer to be in
the background, but I know what I know, and I
know what is true to me, and that's what drives
me is being an icy U nurse and going into
the UFO field.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I almost look at it like a patient.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I would think of if a patient told me they
were in pain, I would believe them, but then I
would also look for the evidence behind that. They're going
to have accelerated respiration, the heart rate's going to be up,
their blood pressure is going to be up. I'm going
to be able to see most of the time, some
people handle pain very well and they mask it and
even their vitals won't show it. But for the most part,
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you're going to be able to find a little bit
of evidence to support what someone's telling you. And I
think that we can take that mindset and apply it
directly to the UFO field, where there's a lot of narratives,
but we haven't. We're starting to get into where we're
gathering evidence. Let's back up what these people are telling
us and prove what they're saying. So many of us
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already know the truth of it, that there is this
phenomena going on that we don't have rock solid proof
to be able to say this is the smoking gun.
There's videos that can be faked, there's all kinds of
things that can be faked. But whenever we can find
similarities or consistencies between different cases, that starts building the
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case for the.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Truth behind this. So, I know, I kind of veered
off of the question.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But as far as attitudes towards women, I think that
I grew up during a time when women were starting
to find their voice and we're really stepping forward. We
still haven't hit equality. We're still not there. We still
don't make as much as our milk camera parts, you know,
and it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's frustrating. But I can't even talk right now because I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
I think that it drives us women even more because
we have had to work.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Harder to get where we are.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Whereas for a man, and I'm not putting down the
men in the field, because there are some very wonderful
men that we work with and I owe a lot
to them. But I think we as women, we've learned
how to fight for what we know and for what
we want, and I think that that's kind of the
driving force behind a lot, you know, at least all
three of us, is we're going to continue to fight
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and make sure that our voices are heard.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Wellissa, Yeah, one of the things I've really noticed is
that women in this field, even the ones with brilliant
minds and groundbreaking research, are often left behind. And it's
not about ability, it's about perception. There's still a stigma.
You see it in who gets invited into conversations, whose
voices get amplified, whose work gets taken seriously. And then
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there's another layer how women are sexualized, especially when they're
in leadership roles in public space like this. The reality
is that we deal with explicit comments, constant scrutiny of
our parents, stalking, and that happens no matter how we
present ourselves. I personally experienced it most of my life,
and I know that you women have too. I've learned
(32:44):
that there will always be people who behave that way,
but I choose not give them my focus. I keep
my focus on my work. On the data and on
the people who are here for the truth. And I
think that that's why representation matters so much. When women
keep showing, keep contributing high quality work, we don't get
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pushed out by these pressures. We change what leadership in
the field looks like. We start making it clear that ability, credibility,
and results matter, not gender appearance. So I feel like
that's kind of been a big point watching within the
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last few years, I mean, aside from what has happened
in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, and well, you bring up a good point about
the sexualization.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
That's something that I think that the men don't understand
who are in this. They may be putting up with
some of the sexual harassment as well. But I know,
first time I was on TV what kind of messages
I got, and of course ably married woman, so I'd
be just showing them to my husband and giggling.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But I mean even recently, I was.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Showing you one where a guy immediately jumped to, so,
I want you to have my children. I saw you
on the documentary channel. How can we make this happen?
And I'm like, in what world I'm sitting here talking
about UFOs just because I'm a woman is not okay
for you to just proposition me.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
The world between his right and left ear. Mindy, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, and Terry, you remember there were a few cases
where I worked with experiencers and I was really trying
to help them process their encounters and instead, in the
middle of this, I'm getting sexual text since me and propositioned.
And I ended up having to reassign those cases to
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one of our police officers who was on our team
so that he could handle it because it was so inappropriate.
And I think that us women face that more than
people know. A lot of women don't talk about it,
but I think that it's important that we do, and
that we put that out there so that women know
that they're not alone. If they step into this field,
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they're going to face those kinds of things. It's nothing
against them, and it's something that they can expect because unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's the society we live in.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
But I will say one thing on the some of
the messages that we saw on Facebook, I did see
a couple of guys stepping forward and going shame on you.
This woman's sitting here talking intelligently and all you can
do is comment on her body.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Right, what's wrong?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, So kudos to them because we need these strong
men to step up and say something to these other
guys in their place. So, Terry, we're getting long winded
like we normally do.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But do you have anything to add into.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Well, yes, and mine is a bit different. You know,
I have had many, many disturbing suggestions from people that
have read my book or been a part of the meeting.
I've been I've been stalked, I've had all kinds of things,
but I really have chosen to supersede all of that
(36:07):
and I'm just going for truth. What I don't care
if it's the male or the female. I'm looking for
what is truth here, And you know, let's get rid
of what doesn't serve the future as we evolve and
understanding what's happening to us. I was always like, Okay,
these things happen. I mean, ever since I was a child,
(36:29):
I've been attacked by men, even teachers, okay, and even
people in authority, my bosses and things like that, and
even in other organizations, you know, trying to fly me
off and this kind of thing, nonsense, ridiculous stuff. But
what you do is you don't focus on it. You
(36:50):
just move forward. I've got intentions to do exactly what
I'm doing, and I'm focused and I'm very passionate about
just let's get to the bottom line, let's knock out
the nonsense and just move forward, which you all have.
And I'm proud of both of you because I know
your stories. You're amazing women, and I'm proud to be
(37:12):
in sisterhood with you both and here you know, and
all of the women that we are dealing with IUFO B.
It's been such an honor to have intelligent women and men.
I respect the men of IOFO B. I am blown
(37:32):
away at their level of professionalism, intelligence, the places that
they have been in their lives, the titles that they hold,
and even the books they've all written. It's just amazing.
So I'm very, very proud. And you know, I just
want to get a quick shout out to Samantha who
(37:54):
had a very positive for us and be no thank you,
And there was another gal there. I just looked briefly
at my comments, but thank you all for being here
and thank you for listening. You know, we're happy you're here.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yeah, And sam is one of the powerhouses behind the
bureau she's our national response director, and that girl is
a mover and a shaker. As soon as she got
into that position, she lined everything out, she had everything organized.
She gives us weekly updates. Sam, you are incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yeah, Yeah, there's so many. I mean, we could throw
one hundred names up your sad.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I know, we could sit here and just praise every
single one of them.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
And for the audience, we will be bringing these people on.
We're getting everybody scheduled up and so in future episodes
we'll be able to talk one on one with all
of these incredible people that are backing the Bureau, that
are part of our membership, that are helping us form
the organization that we're putting together. And Terry, one thing
I wanted to mention is you deserve some much credit
(39:01):
for being such a mentor. You've picked me out of
a crowd and you said I'm going to take you places,
and you did. You helped mold me and make me
and make me into the person I am today. And
you still continue to give me wise counsel and you
do the same with Melissa. And there is such a
beauty in the mentorship between the different generations. With what
(39:24):
you've taught me when I'm able to teach Melissa and
what Melissa will be passing on to the next generation,
that sisterhood is very important in everything that we're doing
because we have to know that we can trust one
another if we want to put out any kind of
information that we want the public to trust. And so
I know that I can trust you guys wholeheartedly, and
(39:46):
anything you tell me is going to be in truth,
even if sometimes it's hard to hear, it's always going
to be in truth. And so I appreciate that. And Terry,
you know I love you. I appreciate everything you've done.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So I'm going to skip forward because we're getting short
on time.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
We'll give me just two seconds to respond. It was
divine appointment and I couldn't be more blessed than to
be a part of all of you, all of you
women out there, and you know who you are.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Absolutely, So I'm going to jump back a little bit.
We had talked just briefly about our childhoods. Let's talk
about maybe just a two minute overview of our previous experiences,
because that's one of the important things that we were
looking at as we were bringing people into the bureau
to build the team up, and we wanted people that
(40:40):
were experiencers themselves or else married to an experience or
had a child that's an experiencer, that know it intimately
from that viewpoint where they know that the truth of
the phenomena wholeheartedly, but they also understand the science behind
being able to prove it. So what was your your
(41:01):
experiences growing up some of the main ones that got
you into this field. Let's start with Melissa.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I've had multiple I mean I've had experiences my whole
life with you a phenomenon, and beyond that, with strange
encounters that have been a part of my life for
as long as I can remember, more than I can
even count. Some more visual sightings O. Those were direct experiences,
were deeply personal. Those moments are not just stories now,
(41:30):
They're part of what drives my work, and I understand
what it's like to witness the side of the phenomenon,
and that's why I'm so committed to bridging that experience
your testimony with verifiable data I've had. But you guys,
want to are we telling like maybe a story or
something I have not told this publicly before. This is
(41:53):
actually this? So you guys will be the first ones
to ever hear it. Indy and Terry have heard it.
When I was about sixteen, that's when I had my
first actual experience with whether you want to call an
interventional being or extrast well being. We live out way
my parents wire dot way out in the country. There's
no neighbors, and so there was a night where we
(42:16):
had a flash on the top of the driveway, and
I had this immediate internal knowing of what it could be.
And my mom has always been terrified of anything extraterrestrial related,
so I didn't say anything. She was used to be
having abilities, so I just sometimes I kept thinking to myself.
Later at that night, she did come downstairs and ask
if I had been messing with a hose outside, because
(42:38):
she could hear it turning on and off and there
was water out there, and I said I hadn't. I
had been in my room. There was not a reason
for me to be outside. Later, I was watching TV
and all of a sudden, the hair standed up all
over my body, and out of the corner of my
eye I saw I caught this movement at my window,
and when I looked, I saw this figure. These actually
(43:01):
couple I think sixteen. There was two or three of them,
and they walked by my window, and now I understand
them to be they were zeta grays. From my understanding,
it shook me. We did not have blinds growing up
being held that far, so I just took sheets and
I pinned them up on my windows. It wasn't until
(43:22):
years later that I told my mom the full story
and she realized how much was actually happening in the
house that we didn't talk about. But that changed that
that specific experienced changed the way I look at phenomenon
because it wasn't even just out there, it was in
my own home. So from that time. That same night
(43:45):
after it was like I don't know, two o'clock in
the morning, and being a teenager, I'm awake all night long.
And I heard my where our house is opposite, so
we have the kitchens upstairs and the bedroom, my bedroom
was downstairs. Well, I heard my dad walk from his
room all the way out to the deck to a
wrap around deck and stand above my wind like on
the deck above where my room would be. And I
just sat there and I ended up falling asleep, and
(44:05):
in the morning I asked him I'm like, did you
what were you doing outside? Was there somebody out there?
Were you looking? And he's like, what are you talking about?
I was sleeping the whole time, so I don't It
was the same night, so I don't know if whatever
it got in the house or whatever it was, But
that was my first experience with something like that. After that,
(44:26):
you know things a door.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Opens, Absolutely, that's what tends to happen. So Terry, I
know that you had a very profound encounter. You've had
a couple back in nineteen seventy nine, which happened to
be the year I was born, so.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
Ouch, and I was already twenty one.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Oh my goodness, Yeah, oh my goodness is right.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
So let's hear about that, and then if you'll go
into a little bit about what happened when you were
a little bit older and when you actually got some
evidence of what had what you had encountered.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Well, you know, I was actually twenty seven. I hate
to say that, but anyway, well, I was going to
share something else that had happened, because we're not at iofob.
Even though we are all about what is going on,
we're also about other things. And I did want to
just share very quickly, and it's very quick because we've
only got a few minutes left here. I was at
(45:24):
work and I had had many weird things happen that week,
and it was in two thousand and nine, I'm sorry,
two thousand and eight, and I was getting up from
my desk to go speak to my boss. Her name
was Kathy at the time, and I wanted to tell
her something spiritual that I had just gotten. It just
(45:48):
came right into my mind. I got up to walk
into her room, and as I walked into her room,
her desk was in front of me, and then there
was a big on the right or the left, just
a big open space, so her desk was there and
file cabinets on the sides, and she was looking at me.
And just as she was going to say to me,
what can I do for you, Terry, she watched and
(46:11):
I experienced a powerful force that came from the left
side of me. Pushed me and shoved me into the wall.
And I had been holding a cup of coffee, and
I tried to put the coffee down so I wouldn't
end up throwing it on Kathy. And as I went down,
(46:32):
I reached over to put this down and my face
was smushed up against the wall, and the power holding
me to the wall was so strong my whole cheek
just went down the wall and she was screaming bloody murder.
And Debbie and Lacey and a couple other of the
(46:52):
girls I was working with came running in to see
my body on the floor with my neck all shoved
up against the wall. And the reason I'm sharing that
instead of one of my very many UFO stories, I've
got over three hundred different things that have happened to
me that I've literally written down to save for my grandchildren,
my great grandchildren. But this particular one is to show
(47:16):
what can happen and how there are forces that we
live with every day that we're dealing with every day,
all of us, not just me. But it just happened
to be that incident. What can happen and people need
to be aware of this. So this is why in
the future, while we're talking, we'll be talking about a
lot of different facts and things that have actually happened
(47:39):
to people. And I just want to wet people's whistles
to know that there's quite a few things we'll be
talking about. Truth and uthology, absolutely, We've got a lot
to talk about there.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
We know that there's in speaking with other experiences and
even the experiences that we firston only had, we know
there's a lot of overlap between different kind of paranormal
phenomena and we don't want to rule out anything until
we have the data that tells us this is absolutely
not part of the phenomena. And a lot of it
(48:14):
what gets me is a lot of it comes down
to perception of the witness what they are seeing. We've
actually been interviewing people. We had people that had spirit
encounters and they took that as an invisible human entity
that was coming from a different planet, and so it
(48:37):
really is it gets tricky. How do you, you know,
start classifying the different ones because people have different views
and a lot of it goes into their upbringing, their
religious views, or even just how they personally feel, and
that's hard to put down on paper, and you know, qualify. Basically,
(49:01):
we have to listen to what our experiences are saying.
That was one of the things with the Entity Intake
Report that we were putting together was being able to
take in a multitude and different types of entities. Because
some people consider Bigfoot to be an alien. Some people
consider hat Man to be part of the alien phenomena,
(49:22):
and that was something I was intimately.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Involved with growing up.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I mean, this hat Man was in my room all
the freaking time, even in my twenties when I was
working as a nurse. That's why I worked nights, was
so that I wouldn't have to be home around hat Man.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
As far as the UFO phenomena.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
I had that video that's now up on our website
where it looked like there was communication being given and
we're still doing analysis and Melissa's still doing analysis on it.
And when I sent it to her, it was when
we were still in the building phases and I said,
she said, is there anything I can be doing? And
I said, well, you can look at this. I took
(50:03):
a video out on the cruise. I'm not necessarily an experiencer,
I don't think, but.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
You know, you'll be able to probably identify it.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
And she came back and she's like, oh no, no,
this is intelligent information.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
So she's been comparing.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
It to other sightings and done an incredible job on that.
So if people are interested, you can read the whole
report on our website at internationalufoburea dot com. Yeah, Bill
saying that our show went really quick. We have about
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I did.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'll throw in here that I did have something that
I thought was kind of silly. I was willing to
hear other people's tells about it, their encounters with it,
until it happened to me, and then I was like,
my goodness, this really is real. I had a my
lab an hour or a bad an hour about a
year after I had started investigating, and I remember every
(51:01):
detail about the building I was taken to. I thought
that it was kind of silly. Of course, the military's
abducting abductees. Again, it happened, and I know for certain
I have clear memory of every aspect of that encounter.
And I did come across a mantid, which again I thought,
of all of them, the mantids are weird. And of
(51:23):
course it was a mantid with a myelab that happened
to me. So I think that there's kind of that
jokester spirit around people's encounters where they use what you
think is ridiculous and then they prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
So now I just listen to people.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
And I try to keep my opinions out of it.
I tried to just keep an open mind. So I
will go ahead and skip forward. We've got about four
minutes here. I'm going to ask the question what were
your first steps working in the field and where you
met with any skepticism or support. And so I've got
a video to share with the audience, and I'm not
(52:01):
going to share the whole thing, but I'll share a
little clip of it. So okay, let me put it up.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
Three days I will be on a live release to
show the public what's never been shown before, not in
a documentary, not in a leak.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
This isn't speculation.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
I have confirmed something that's never been proven to the
public until now.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
And the depth. All right, stop, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've been talking about this. Honestly, I
don't know what I was thinking. I was home and
I grabbed was comfortable, and I hit record, and the
next thing I know, two million people have opinions about
my wardrobe. It's kind of hilarious because when you work
in UAB research, you expect debates over like methodology or interpretations,
(52:44):
not whether my shirt is two inches too short. But
here's the thing. It got people talking and if crop
top is the most controversial thing about my research this week.
I think I'm doing pretty good, so, you know, and honestly,
it's a learnt. You know, it's.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Difficult being so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Okay, yeah, it happened to be.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Well, you've garnered a lot of attention.
Speaker 5 (53:08):
I mean, two million views on that one, and people
are still commenting on it and we're not trying to
take that route to get I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Just I know, I look at all the other videos
and I went, what happened?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I think it's just your generation again. You're just what
you were. You were comfortable in.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
It's high outside, let's go on and talk about things.
And you put in two three months of hard work
on that report and then only thing people could talk
about was the crop top. So, so's.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
The crop tops and we're crap tops?
Speaker 6 (53:48):
Yeah there you got to.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
Was there any defining moment when you felt called to
take this work to the next level? And I think
that we can kind of end on that point. We're
one minute out. I think that we all kind of
felt the turn at the end of last year and
people approached us, Me and Terry, we were kind of
done with the field, even though it was kind of
(54:16):
broken hearted for us. But people were tired of the misinformation,
the disinformation, the fractures, the infighting, trying to get the
first scoop putting out sensational things, and people came to
us and said, let's do this right. The public deserts it,
and they had enough faith in us to bring things together.
(54:39):
I had the archives, and I said, well, I've got
the bureau, let's see about resurrecting it, and said that's
where we are. We're about seven months into the rebuild,
and it's still going to be a few months out
before we get our database ready and all of the
systems in place. And people happened to find.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Us too quickly.
Speaker 5 (54:57):
We haven't done any advertising because we thought we were
just speaking to people within the.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Research realm.
Speaker 5 (55:04):
And then of course the audience is brilliant and we
couldn't hide anything from them for too long. So we'd
like to hear from the audience. If you are on
the YouTube channel or on KGRA, please leave us a
message and tell us what was your first memory of
hearing about UFOs or experiencing something you couldn't explain, and
(55:24):
what generation you grew up in. So thank you guys
so much for joining us. You guys are incredible. I
know just what wonderful women you are. And we'll be
back next week on Sunday at seven pm to finish
up this conversation and let the audience get to know
us a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And then the week following.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
That we'll have doctor Greg Rogers' former team of Aerospace
Medicine from NASA from our Board of Directors joining us.
So thank you guys so much for listening in and
for joining us today, and we have to see you
next time.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Thanks guys, we'll talk to you next week. Thank you
for joining us today on the bureau.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
For exclusive content, follow the International UFO Bureau on Instagram,
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Speaker 5 (56:08):
From yesterday's sightings to tomorrow's revelations, be sure to tune
in next time right here, only on KGRA Sundays at
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