F-BI - Outtakes Episodes 175 to 180

Never-before-heard content from our episodes about Dark Winds, High Potential, Woman of the Hour, Under the Bridge, and Love Lies Bleeding in this outtakes episode!

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome back to Caleb Fun, where we explore the intersection
of crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christy and
today today we have an outtakes episode for you. We
are still on a little hiatus. We took some time
off at Christmas and the cold days of January have

(00:31):
us all snuggled up and not recording for just a
minute longer. But that doesn't mean that we don't have
fresh new content for you, because we do. We have
lots of outtakes for you. This episode, we're going to
kick it off with Dark Winds Murder on a reservation
in the nineteen seventies. It is a great show. It

(00:54):
was really really good, and we have outtakes. Start with
a Westworld tangent, a mention of Twilight flubs, because there's
always flubs. I've always messed something up. We talked about
video store exclusive, filtered memories, movies and more. Enjoy Zoon

(01:17):
McLaren is Joe Lee Porn. He was the leader of
the Ghost Nation in Westworld. I didn't really watch it,
but yeah, it was one of those like when it
was good, it was really good, and then it would
leave you super frustrated, pissed off, at the end of
the season, and then something I don't know what happened.

(01:37):
There was some like big dust up I don't even
know at the end of Westworld, and like literally two
weeks after the finale of Westworld aired, it disappeared from
HBO what I don't even know. I can't it now, no,
because I was like, oh, I missed that last season.
I'm like, I was really pissed off about it, but
I might enjoy being pissed off by another season.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And it was gone weird. There was like, I.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Don't know, fight, that's a foolish fight.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
There were things in it that I think you might like.
They talked about the bicameral mind and like, oh, there
was a lot of like psychology, physiology, brain stuff that
I think you would have really found interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I think I remember wanting to be able to watch
it and not being able to for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
It was hard with the little kids, and it was
also it pissed you off. So I don't know that
I can actually recommend it, but I'm not going to
say I regretted watching what I watched.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
That sounds like a great night benge for me.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Uh, huh yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Not everything can be Bridgerton.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
And I was tardy to the party with Bridgerton and
it was like I sat down and ate it all
at once, like the entire leftovers.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh my god, this is what you're supposed to do
with Oh my gosh, it's supposed to be like a buffet.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was enjoy for like a couple of days. Move
on with you.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
You have to watch that alone.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, it's true, all this is going on a bonus
episode West World. Bridgerton man. But yeah, oh yeah, no,
I don't Yes, it was hot. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
The first season. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
The first season, I was like, oh my god, oh
my god, they're doing this.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh oh oh.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I would like look around the corners somebody awake watching
and watch this.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I feel I feel dirty if somebody walked in right now,
you know.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
But it was.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Get back to Dark Ones.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
But we have some hot cast members, I mean Dark Ones.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
KYA Gordon is Jim Chi, the law enforcement officer who
we find out at the end of the episode is
also working for the FBI. He's probably best known because
he was embry in the Toilight Floger.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, he fit right along the rest
of that beautiful.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Tribe of where wolves or were.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Wolves, wolves whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Just don't at me with this, but like I'm saying,
he was beautiful, like he could he held his own
ground next to Jacob okay, and he holds his own
ground now, uh huh, that is fair. Yeah, he was
a nice addition to the whole hole set here. Is
he's adorable, No, he's good. He was really good too.
Like I like the fact that when a character when well,

(04:45):
I should say, when an actor can play a character
with a suspicious awkwardness that doesn't seem so suspicious. It
just seems awkward and becomes more suspicious.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Like the ability to just let that out little.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
At a time, like a time release of suspiciousness and
things of that sort. And in the beginning, you're like, oh,
that's why he was awkward, like to be able to
play that, but.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like he's suspicious.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
But you're also you know, there's something a little off
about him at the beginning when he drives past the
people in the broken down truck. Yeah, and you're like why,
Like he smiles to himself. Yeah, Like as he's driving
past the man, I'm like, what an ass?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, right, but there was something about that because he
was he was assigned a certain thing and he couldn't exactly. Yeah,
and I've watched further, so I'm going to be really careful.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah about what you say about what I say here?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
The f b I m f BI. That's why I
should start calling it the f FI FI. Like this
sounds like they're all a member of the LGBTQ, Like
you must be bisexual.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yes, we assign you, Okay, But desert, I mean, is
this the scenery you like?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I I like all scenery, really, but I like to.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Live in Is this the kind of topography that draws you?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, because it's hot, it's very cold at night, though
it does get cool at night. But there's also no water.
And if it's going to be hot like that during
the day, like some water to listen to.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I want to listen to it.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I want to go out there and you know whatever
and breathe the negative ions or whatever it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is that makes you feel good at the beach. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I don't even if it's not true, I don't care.
It makes me feel good at the beach sounds good?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
No, I yeah, I thought about that because I was
recently in Las Vegas, U and I was I had
a beautiful view of my hotel.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Mountains it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, that is so pretty. What makes them so unique?
And then one day it hit me because I'm from
the East Coast Appalaysia style mountained and I was like,
oh my god, they're naked.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
It's a naked typography. They're naked. They are character They're
just naked.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's because it's so hot.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's so hot naked would take all their clothes off.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, it's getting hot, nelly right now.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Some things went directly to the video store. Something's never
made it to the video store. And some things that
should not have ever made it to the video store
made it.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
It was amazing because we had things that were exclusive
to the video.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
They became cult classic favorites, right like hackers, Oh okay,
Empire Records, Holy crap.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
These were like.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Instrumental in my childhood, like in my childhood all the
way adolescents for me, you know, instrumental.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And I never were in the theater. I just found
them at the video So how did I how did
I stumble across that this cult favorite.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
We used to love to rent the dating videos because
you could just you didn't have to be a part
of the like the club or whatever. You could just read,
Oh my god, they were so funny. I bet they
were a little sad, but they were funny. Memories of

(08:36):
past events get filtered, so you keep what makes sense
to you, yep. And things that you did that are
confusing or don't make sense to you for whatever reason,
you just ignore those. They get they get tossed out.
We're going to keep the things that make sense to us.
And this reminded me again of West World, because like

(08:56):
in the like one of the early episodes they have,
you know, they're like robots, okay, you know, animatronics sort of,
but they walk around and do things okay. And so
if you show the robot in the simulation a something
that doesn't make sense to it, that wouldn't have existed
in their universe. So somebody from the early eighteen hundred

(09:22):
sees a photograph, they would say, that doesn't look like
anything to me. They were programmed to just ignore it.
And so that's kind of what our brains do. When
there are things that happen in a situation you're like,
that is confusing to me, and you don't have either

(09:43):
the bandwidth or the ability to understand it, you will
just ignore it. So early on in the first episode,
we see a couple of movies, and I wanted to
talk about those briefly, okay, because there is the opening
scene there's a robbery and gallop. Yeah, and on the

(10:06):
theater is showing Little Big Man, which is a movie
about a white man raised by Native Americans, and it
takes a very dim view of the way indigenous peoples
were treated by the US government. So I thought that
was an interesting little cabinet there. Yes, and in nineteen

(10:29):
seventy one it still would have been playing in theaters,
probably especially somewhere rule like that where it has kind
of a connection. Things stayed in the movie theaters a
lot longer, even like in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, a few weeks, man.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean things would stay in the in the movie
theater for six months. Oh yes, I mean like the
first run movie theater be there four or five months,
and then you would it would go to like the
Dollar Theater.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Or whatever for a year or more. And so it
would be.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
They stayed in theaters a lot longer. There were fewer
movies being made there was less ways to see them
after they left the theaters, so.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Because you'd have to wait to go see your video store.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Right, if it did, if it did, if it did not,
everything store.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Something went directly.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And then Anna, the first the young victim at the motel,
is watching a movie in the hotel and it's Stagecoach
from nineteen thirty nine with John Wayne and it's set
in Monument Valley, so they have some connections there.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That that's some good nuggets.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
The people in the motel, Anna, her grandmother and the
man who was in pain, who also saw the helicopter
after the robbery, were performing a sing a sing Yeah.
An Indigenous student Jennifer Glukski at the American College of
Healthcare Sciences wrote a blog about what healthcare meant to

(12:06):
the native peoples of the Navajo Nation. The American College
of Healthcare Sciences sounds very professional, but they're a little holistic,
which isn't bad, but is a little different than what
you might it might sound like by the name. Yeah,
but herbalists are common, and most nav herbalists are women.

(12:31):
Then there's a shaman and they tend to provide a
spiritual path towards healing. They look for imbalance and spirit
or something. I don't exactly know, it's unclear. And then
there's a medicine man.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
It could be a woman. But this is These are
the people who.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Performed the sings, okay, And it was interesting that he
got there in the evening because it seems like these
tend to take at least a day to perform properly,
but that maybe may vary from place to place. They
have chanting herbs prayer, they'll sing a song, and usually

(13:16):
they last from one to nine days, okay, so it
can be quite a quite a feat. So there may
have been some overlap in what they were doing here,
but yeah, yeah, it was. It's interesting. It's a very
different way of like looking at health.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Oh yeah, well, I mean science really did take over
the world in that way.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
There wasn't much space held for alternative ideas, right, that were,
But that's because they were untestable. So science has a
real trouble holding space for the untestable, sure, and for
what might be because all we can see is your
results aren't good. Yeah it doesn't, but when it works,

(14:04):
it's like, oh see that's proof, and science says no, no,
The outlier everything.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Clock, a broken clock is right twice a day, right.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right, So science has a hard time expanding to the
two other perspectives.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Of the world and like of being.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Especially if you get into supernatural, especially when you get
into acceptance sure that healing might actually be an outcome
that that a traditional Western healer, right, a doctor is
sworn against sure. And yet so like Atol Glande wrote
a fantastic book about this.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
On being Mortal. It's the name of it, I'm Being Mortal.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
And he talks about the fact that it's hard because
Hippa says do no harm, and the operational like the
play it out definition is don't let them die, right,
And sometimes it's like, but we're.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Sometimes keeping them alive is doing it?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Doing harm?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
And so where where do we, like, where do we
allow dignity for the thing that we all experience?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Where is it? And so you find that a lot.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Of times in these alternative methods, right, And I feel
like that's kind of maybe where psychology comes in a
little bit too, is like, oh, yeah, so we've looked
at this and we don't quite understand why these things work.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Maybe it's something to do with how the brain interacts
with the body, and it could be you know, there's
a lot and it's worth taking a look at. I
feel like psychology may be a little more open to it. Like, hey,
you know what, if you're feeling sad and you talk
about it, you might feel less sad. And sometimes when

(15:41):
you're sad, things in your body hurts. Oh yeah, and
therefore when you talk about them, all you did was
talk about them, and you can help some of those
pains to be alleviated just by talking about Yeah, maybe
something completely unrelated, oh.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
For sure, over sure.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
But then, like when we talk about your things like
cancer or these things, what's hard is to realize that
sometimes the healing is in the is in the mind,
in the in the experience of humanity, and that the
death is like a maybe even beautiful thing that happens.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
And so it's hard because.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's not falsifiable, right, it feels like rationalization.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
But at the end of the day, we all actually
do die.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So so for.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
That matter, maybe we ought to give it a little
look about the healing. What was the actual goal of
the healing? And that's what science doesn't ask. They assume
goal of healing is to avoid death and if you
ask them what's the goal of healing might be different.
And if it's different, if it's about acceptance and beauty
and celebration of life and dignity, then all of a

(16:50):
sudden death is a viable outcome.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right, I mean, it's an inevitable outcome, and it's inevitable.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
So I don't know why we deny this, but like, nevertheless,
it really keeps us from sometimes understanding that these healing
ceremonies and the other ways of looking at it are
successful at a rate we wouldn't count because we don't
appreciate what their actual goal is. Nope, you can lead
a horse to water, you can't make them drink, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I did try and make my dog drink like a
couple of weeks ago, because this is total asigh, just water,
because she got a cramp in one of her legs
and she was in her crate. Now the door was opened.
She had chosen to go lay in her crate and

(17:40):
then she like had a cramp in her leg and
couldn't get out of the crate and it was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
And I like was I.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
We finally got her out and helped her stretch her
legs out so that to relieve the cramp. And I'm like,
you need to drink more water, baby, And I took
her over and I have like put my finger in
the water and moved it around, and she refused to drink.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And I'm like, damn you horse.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like, just do the thing I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Drink the water.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh She's been fine since then. So jim Chi was
surprised by the hollow point bullets.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
So I didn't really. I'm like, oh, holow point bullets.
They sound very scary.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Okay, have you ever shot one? No, that's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, it's actually used by a lot of law enforcement agencies.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's actually illegal for civilians to have.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
It depends on what you're using them for. Now, it's
illegal to use them in international warfare, though that is
less of an issue than it has been in the
past in the face of nuclear weapons.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah, well then all kinds of weapons, right, you know,
not necessary.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Nuclear weapons and you know, drones and things like that.
They care a little less about hallow point bullets than
they did and the past. But hallow point bullets are
not illegal in most states in the United States. Now,
a large capacity, they're limited on some of their capacities.
But for handguns they are actually used by law enforcement

(19:22):
mostly because now they're awful because they expand on impact,
So they do cause a lot of damage to some
person or an object when they get hit, but there's
a far less likelihood that it'll pass through yep, and
therefore you're less likely to have peripheral unintended damage. So

(19:50):
like if you shoot at a person, it will stop
with the person that you shoot and not go through
and hit somebody else.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
And also your aim doesn't have to be as good yeah,
because you don't need to hit one small point. You
just need to hit the body, yeah, which is why
the training is hit the body right, right, Like that's
what it is, not double tapping. I mean, the training
for the law enforcement particularly is to hit the body right.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
According to AMO dot com, who very much wants to
send you sell you ammunition, only in New Jersey is
it specifically outlawed for a civilian to have hollow point bullets.
And you can have it in some situations if you're
going hunting or going to a gun range, or traveling

(20:38):
now to one of those places, then you can have
it on you.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Other than that you.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Should not have it on you, Yeah, outside of your home. Now,
public lands are a different story. They may have specifications
about whether you can have that.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
But concealing ferry versus handgun, right, what's the difference there.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
It depends on where you are, basically, So that might
be what I'm referring to.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Because it was illegal for concealed handguns in Massachusetts and
I lived there.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
It was a while ago, so things may have changed
for sure.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
But like when I said that, it was like illegal
for concealed carry.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, and I know where I was.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, And I don't know how that has changed, and
it's going to it's going to be different from state
to stay.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
For the United States.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
So but just having it now smaller capacity, they don't, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Like absolutely, I mean I've shot them at ranges, like
I mean, so like we had them, you just weren't
supposed to have them in your conceal and carry because
they caused so much damage. And yet that's exactly why
people carried them, because in a stressful situation, a less
trained gunman needs a little grace to defend themselves. And
so that was the irony of the situation. At least

(21:50):
where I live, So I don't know. I guess that
was under the oppression that the concealed carry with the
hollow point was pretty common, not regular having range whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't think it is anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Okay, maybe so yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
But smaller ammunition is probably what most people are gonna
want for home defense anyway, not necessarily. I mean, you
want to stop somebody, you want to, but I mean
it's a personal preference. But a lot of people are
going to have the hollow point bullets because they.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Have well, yeah, like if you have us, you know,
like a SnO of nose thirty eight or something like that,
something simple.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I mean, yeah, that's a better.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Putting a hallow point bulleted is a better chance for you.
That's what you're using it for, you know, And like
it feels completely different when you shoot the hallow point
versus the Oh yeah, it's a whole different thing. And
a lot of ranges for indoor. You can't use halloween
because it ruins the back wall.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Oh okay, and so yeah you'll be outside for that.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
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perceptive single mom works with the police. It's an ongoing
French TV show as well that the ABC High Potential

(23:57):
show is based upon. We talk about puzzles, civil and
criminal cases for the same crime and the use of
Google lens at a thrift store.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Enjoy.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So the show is actually based on an ongoing French
Belgian TV show, oh titled HPI and they have it's
easy to miss. There is a title card at the
very end that tells you this though okay. Based on
the French show HPI.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
That's amazing, huh.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
But it's basically exactly the same story. It's started in
April of twenty twenty one, aired in Belgium, Switzerland, and France.
The protagonist in that show is also Morgan, thirty eight
years old, three children, two x husbands, works at a
police office, police department at night cleaning and makes this

(25:01):
clue and then they offer her job.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm
here for that, you know what.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I also I would be here for let's dub the
original one and into English.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'd be interested, So be interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'd be interested.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I really like. Don't get me wrong, I like the show.
I'll watch a lot of it. I really appreciate that
they're tailoring it to American audiences.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But I also am a big fan of let's put
this stuff on Netflix or Hulu or whatever streaming service
and overdub it with English. Yeah, with good actors.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, and that's the key, that's the key.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
But also I think the only times I've had issues
with that is actually with Lost Stories. Okay, because the
law structure and the laws and how all of that
is so different that sometimes I can't follow even though
it's in English, because I don't I don't understand why
they're not doing this, why they are doing this or whatever.

(26:04):
So I have had an issue with that in the past,
but like a fantasy like three percent.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Oh, I loved three percent.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
The actors were amazing, and they didn't even have the
AI capability to like fix the actor's mouth right to
match the language, which they kind of have now, but.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
They also did they did a good job of making
sure that whatever they said was about the.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Right about the right length, and the actors were so
good that I could I could hear that actor having
that voice right right, like I'd be kind of surprised
to hear what they actually sound like, uh huh, because
it was all in Spanish originally, right right, So.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yes, yeah, that and we've talked about Luther on the
show with the guy who was the thief. Oh yeah, yeah,
And that was a French show. That was a French
show dubbed.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Into English, and they did a really good job.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
They did a great job.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
So if they do a good job with it, then
it's not overly just stressed.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
And as long as the audience can understand the situation,
law and order might be different, but I mean not
the show, I mean the law and whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I mean it's like when you leave your puzzle on
your kitchen table and then you walk by in the morning,
you get a cup of coffee, and then you like
put a puzzle piece or two, and then you walk out,
and then your roommate comes and does the same thing.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's what happened to me. I had had a roommate
and we both enjoyed the puzzle thing.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
And her boyfriend did too, which was a friend of mine,
so he was there a lot. And so we put
the puzzle on the kitchen table and yeah, and it
was like it took it took a while, but it
took all three of us, every once in a while,
randomly coming in having got a cup of coffee. Oh
look at here, I see this now, blah blah blah
blah blah, all the way to the end.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's like when you're doing like a crosserd puzzle or
something and you set it down for a while and
then you come back and you're like, oh, I know
all of these clues now or the quart tiles.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But you you got me hooked on you. I hated
it when I saw it.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
You hated it so much I thought you would never
do it again. An Apple News has some games. Oh yeah,
and it's like a big crossword puzzle, a mini crosser puzzle,
and then quarti and the quart tiles which is a
word made up of four different tiles with it.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's like it's like boggle. It is like Boggle, much worse.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's got more than one letter on each tile, but
they're not syllables and they're not so like I hated
it first, but I hated it because I kind of.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Loved it, okay, right, Like I hated it and I
was excited.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I was. I was kind of loving the hate. Yeah
you know you ever like I love that. I love
this challenge and I hate it.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
So it's all in like one emotion, you know, like
I hate it so like I yeah. So on on
my plane to Vegas, I decided to do the horse
guns because I was on Frontier awesome airline, but nothing
to do that they provide. You have to do your own.
Totally fine. In some quartiles row.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
It entertaining myself, thank you very.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Much, totally so. And the court tiles it downloads. You
can do this offline. So so I was able to
do this offline, and I was able to do it,
and I got everything before I landed, and I was like, damn,
it's great. Other days are not so awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
No, I mean, and you know what, I hate it
right up until the moment I love it. Every every
day I'm like, this stupid game.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I hate this game, and then I'm like, oh, I
love this game.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I finally, I finally like made my profile not private, okay,
because I would.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Initially I was like, no, no, no, I.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Don't want anybody watch them on learning curve, right, But
now I'm here, I'm okay if I have a suck
you day, right, but because now I know what I'm doing,
it's just I sucked that day.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Everybody gets do it now because it's like, as long
as I find all the quartiles and get to one
hundred points.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, or even if I don't, I don't mind.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Don't see it because I'm past the learning curve, okay,
as long as it's blamed on me just not doing it,
I'm good. Yeah, okay, I just don't want I just
don't like people watching my learning curve.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
But that's fair. It's fun and it's good for your brain.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It is good for your brain.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
In fact, the first word today was very salient in
my life.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Oh and I found it first, and then I had
a whole psychology laugh off.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Oh, I found all the words. So what's the word choreography?
Oh yeah, that was the first one I found to Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Was crying, yep. But then I got distracted.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I didn't get to finish, okay.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I'll have to go back to it later.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, I got, I like found choreography and got all excited,
and then I hated it for a while.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I found a couple of words, a few words, and
then I was like, what the crap is happening right now?

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, and that's when I got But then like then
it was like time to get ready to go and
do things.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
So I put it aside.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So yeah, sorry, maybe later it'll still be there later
or tomorrow or whatever. Well it disappears, so no, it doesn't.
What the one you're working on.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'll go back and play them. What I'll show you.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Oh gosh, I didn't know. I thought it just appeared
at midnight.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
No no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And you can't play at midnight, by the way, because
it's on Coopertino time, so you have to wait till
like two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Ask me how I know, because.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I've been like, yeah, it's twelve fifteen. I can't sleep,
but may at least I can do the quartile and
damn it, no dang, okay, all right, anyway, that anyway,
so so much bonus material true, And they can influence

(31:54):
one another. So probably the most famous example of this
is O. J.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Simpson.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Oh, yes, right, because he was found Yeah, he was
found not guilty of murder, but the evidence that was
introduced at that trial allowed a wrongful death civil case
which he lost, to be brought against him. So they
can really influence one another. So you can have a

(32:23):
criminal case that happens that with the evidence that's brought
forward influenced a civil case or a civil case that
can bring light to criminal charges that need to be filed.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
If the glove don't fit, you must have quit.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
My god, my god.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
We wonder why we're all interested in true crime Because
formative time.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Hello, my mom recorded every every every minute.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Wow on VHS recorded that.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a yeah. Yeah. I wonder if
we still oh Jackie's like in do I have those raps?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I don't think I have those.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I mean, yeah, a VHS VHS player that is all O. J.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Simpson, the entire cr I watched the entire trial. Basically,
it was bananas. Yeah, I watched the whole thing. I
mean I was a kid, but I watched the whole thing.
I mean I'm a kid, I mean like high school, right,
high school and beyond.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
But nevertheless, oh yeah, I was in college when the
vertic came down. I remember being in the dining hall watching.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
It, and yeah, what month was it.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I don't remember because I feel like I was home
when the verdict came out, but I was definitely in college.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
It was it was lunchtime. It was like nineteen ninety
five or nineteen ninety six. Oh I remember, really Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Oh so we moved a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
I have a hard time sometimes because I pictured different
different kitchens Okay, where my mom would have her TV
that she recorded on, and I'm picturing one that was
at later.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Maybe I need to be picturing one this a little earlier.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Okay, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I just remember being in the dining hall and I
happened to be there for lunch and they had the
gigantic big screen television. Oh yeah, that projection deep yes, yes,
the rear projection injection.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, and it was a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
There were a lot of people there just to watch that,
and I'm like, wow, wow.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Now I remember watching I thought it, well, maybe I
thought I watched it at home. Maybe I didn't, who knows,
but it would have been I'm like, here was this carelessless?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think it was nineteen nineties.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Okay, Simpson trial birdy Oh, Google, thank you for correcting. Bye,
my I mean like it's offensive. Oh that's my miss feelings.
Oh my god, it was ninety five. Okay, wait, let

(35:11):
me picture a different CADS. It was in the fall
of ninety five.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Okay, different, different kitchen.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, isn't that funny memory?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh my god, yes, I mean a totally different kitchen,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
What I thought. Maybe you watched it again, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Maybe we watched it again. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Maybe maybe maybe the second or third time you watched
it was when.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Was when it stuck.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
I'm so glad that Google lens, like with the with
the app, you know, you can take a picture of
a plant, figure out what it is.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You need that, Yeah, I need.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
That in my life, like Google lens.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
When I'm at the thrift store, oh to like, I'm like, oh,
that thing's interesting. I've never seen one like it, and
I don't think I've ever found anything worth anything.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
But at least I know, at least you know.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I don't ever look back on it and think I
wish I bought that thing right exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Next up, Woman of the Hour, a fictionalized version of
a real life near miss with a serial killer, is
such a great movie. We really enjoyed it again a
Twilight tangent. We debate during a break if we should
cuss on the show. I struggle to remember a dating

(36:39):
game alternative that came later. I remember what it is now.
It was called Studs and it was bad. Tom Selleck
was my childhood crush, and Jackie shares hers with us
and the groundwork of metaphysics of morals. That's a high

(37:02):
minded topic for our fairly relaxed show. Enjoy all right,
So the cast we already mentioned, Anna Kendrick is Sheryl Bradshaw,
and she broke through as Jessica in Twilight, and I'm like, oh,
that's that's fun. Twilight's a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean, and my youngest kid tells me all the time,
you should feel guilty for finding it a pleasure. I'm like,
that is fine. I understand my gen x ness when
it comes to this, I will love it, and I
can understand that it is problematic.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I also do, but that is Oh boy, isn't that
a gen x thing though? That particular fantasy and story
and that kind of like.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I mean, this, this is what Harlequin Murmeot's novels did
to us.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
That secret save Me relationship.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Oh my god, I'm about to say we should cuss
on this podcast because I'm about there.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
But then also, I mean, if you have, if they're
listening to us, right, I mean, they.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Should be clear on where we stand already.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I mean I would think, but.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I know anyway, all right too, That's where she got
the creepy feeling from him. Was there within the store
within the store studio? Yeah, yes, studio as somebody who
there was a version of the Dating Game not called

(38:40):
the Dating game and I can't really remember what it
was called, but it came on at like ten o'clock
and it was kind of raunchy, and it was always
like three people they could see one another though, and
it was three people competing to date one other person,
and they the three people sat on the couch together

(39:01):
and it was silly hunk sir.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't remember what it was called.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It was bad, but I was one of those guilty
pleasures that I watched because hello, I'm chen X and
uh yeah, I might have to go watch Tom Selle
on the jan that's my childhood crash.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Really, I love.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I guess that in a million years that that was
your child.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I loved magnum p I.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I cannot even.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
When he was on Friends, I about died. I had
fanned myself all the time.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
The lower.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yes, because he's nothing like my husband nothing, and the
fact that they're both like kind and witty.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
It, but they nothing alike.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
That is so funny. Okay, childhood how long? Like what
age range is that? Child childhood?

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Oh yeah, child childhood childhood like from like, I don't
know when was magnum p I. I was probably six or
eight when it started, and my parents were interesting.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yeah, so like my childhood crushes were not TV people Okay, musicians, Okay,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah the Nelson twins.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh, I felt so guilty thinking that they were cute.
Oh my god, there's I'm like, I feel like a
pedophile because they're so pretty. But they're much younger than
I hope. I mean they were not much younger. They
were like four or five years younger than me, but
enough that, like really yeah, but enough that I was
like seventeen or eighteen.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
That cannot even be true. That can't be true. I
am there. Let me, I'm like, that can't be true.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh no, maybe i'm thinking of I'm not I'm thinking
of not Nelson.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Then, yeah, because I'm like they were way older than us.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Okay, I mean like, yeah, active from nineteen eighty nine.
Who am I thinking of?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
I don't know who you're thinking. I don't know who.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Was the damn I wish I was your love? Who
was that guy that was a female? No?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
That was damn I wish.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Oh maybe that's a different song than I'm thinking of then,
or a remake.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Maybe I'm thinking of the remake.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Okay, maybe I'm maybe a remake, Yeah, because I'm thinking
of Natalie Yah and goog Killer.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
That's not heard that.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, that was Sophie B. Hawkins.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Oh, Sophie B. Hawkins, thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
No, it's not that guy. It's not that.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
There was.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
There was.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
There were some young men who oh god, they were
brothers and it was a family.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Oh my god, you're talking about Hanson Hanson. That's it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Thank you. Nelson and Hanson got really confused.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, No, that was. That was a trip right there.
We just took a whole adventure. That's a whole event.
That was when we were older. They were babies. They
were babies, and they were adorable. Yes, they're still good.
You know, they are still good. They are still really good.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
And actually going back and listening to the song and
clearly they did not write it at that age.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
No, it was somebody older. But like you know, it's
very it's very good. They're great. I love them, I
know I loved them.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yes, but I thought that the middle brother was so cute.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh they're adorable.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I mean, but he was too young for me, and
I'm like, I feel like a pedophile.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
That's how I feel about Shay Mind does.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
At least he's over eighteen.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
He is now, but that man does.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
To me with his voice, I mean, I get it.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
When he was not even a man, I was like,
oh my god, that is uncalled for, Jackie. Have to
wait and listen to them later this.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, there's that's like peak early nights, us rain peak,
like late.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Like yes, the beautiful hair, the beautiful and they're still
beautiful now, they're still they're still.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Hands, still good. Yes, Nelson twins, they're still good.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah yeah, no, no, no, that so like me and
they knew because on the block it was Donny w Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I loved I love donn Whberg right up until the
moment I met his brother.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
You met his brother, you know, Oh yeah, well yeah, okay,
now I understand what you mean.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean, right up, I feel bad because Donnie is amazing.
But then like Marky Mark, I was like, oh my god.
And then the rest of the world went, oh my god.
And then and then that's when I became a movie
star fan because fear.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Okay, yes, this was the first.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Time that I was like, yeah, I don't care that
he's a killer.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I don't care he's the bad guy. I don't care
are you so hor why are you not opening the door?
Open the door, open.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
The door, then take off your shirt.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Whatever, please let him in.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
Yes, no, I felt that was the first time I
literally fell in love with the bad guy in the
movie and went, well, I'm deranged.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
I don't know, I don't know what's wrong with me.
Little did I know it was just the beginning of
an era.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Oh my god, Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
It was one of his more mature works on moral philocity.
No felocity, that's like velocity and philosophy.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
It's a physics thing.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Well, there are people never mind.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Cheryl's really well read. What is Emmanuel Kant's groundwork of
the metaphis morals? Even about.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
I had no idea, I can't even start.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Okay, Well, it was one of Emmanuel Counts more first
mature works on moral philosophy, and it remains very influential.
It was published in the late seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
So quite old.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
The central idea is that there's a categorical imperative that
states that one acts according to maxims that which one
could will to become a universal law, and argues that
the rightness of an action is determined by the principle

(45:48):
that that person chooses to act upon right.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It is famously difficult.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
It is famously difficult, and yet it's not because religion
has co opted this and done quite.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Well exactly so, so it's not as it's one of
those things.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
It's very hard to play out. It's simple to understand
if you can weaponize it, but if you.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But if your face right now.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I had not made the connection about the weaponization, and
now everything's crystal clear.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
God, But yeah, okay, I think of a good place.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Remember the he couldn't make a decision about anything, and
and part of it is that, like, okay, cod is
definitely saying something here.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
And it's not easy. I mean, I mean you can,
you can boil it down, but it's not easy.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
It loses a lot of it's nuanced right. To be brief,
it's not a very very hard way of making it concise,
which means to not lose the accuracy, you know. But
the idea being that that we all should act according
to a way that is a shared some sort of rightness.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Right, that's one way of interpreting it, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
And that you're if you're if it's morally correct, it
should be issued a line right with this plumb line.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Right, Whatever that plumb line is, that's debatable, whether that's
survival or or whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, and he doesn't argue that any of it is
there is one particular plumb line that you follow. It's
just can you imagine this being societal norms and behave
in that way?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Which is why to be anti social is to be
able to determine that very quite easily. And then they're
all bomb in it because so many of our societal
norms are unconscious. Yes, unless it's somebody who is really
good at deciphering them and then like decides to well,
I don't know, again, weaponize it.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
But I do think we all we all do understand
this to a degree. We all want to generally. I
think it depends on your understanding.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Are people generally good or generally bad? But like if
their people are generally good, what we're saying is they're
just trying to do right. They're just trying to do
what they think is right. And and that can be
very different per person, which causes a lot of problems,
except that if we have the empathy that they might
be just doing is right, not moving I'm moving away

(48:23):
from con I'm not I'm not talking very very like oh,
you know, specifically specifically, I'm not being purist about this, right,
but like you know, if we if we do have
empathy that people are just doing to do what they
believe is right, then then the rest of our cultural
norm should fall in the gap, like they would think,
you know, like, but also people, well a social psychologist

(48:49):
will tell you people are influenced by so many dynamics
that that what they're influenced in and what is right
for them at the moment may also not actually be
right for them because they can't see the full picture.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
And so I don't know. That's why we love komp though.
That's why we like talking about him though.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Right, well, and why he's still relevant over three hundred
years later.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Right yeah, right, Yeah, there's there's definitely an insightfulness there.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's not just philosophy.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
There is a bit fifty years later.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, there is a bit of an observation going on
there that maybe not scientific method as we know it today, right,
but but there is an observation. I mean, there's almost
like a darwin Esque observation of human behavior that's echoed there.
As you know, at the same time that Darwin is
just looking at the physiology.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Right, you know, so interesting.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I don't know, that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Don't at me.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Don't discount your opinion of it. Your opinion of it
is just as relevant as anybody else's.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Opinion of Maybe I didn't study KNT, you know, like now,
I didn't study kan you.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Like, but you know what, Hey, that's what the comment
sections are for a nice discussion. That's right on, Emmanuel Cohn.
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Let's bring it up.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Ye come tell it if you have opinions.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Bring up, bring up all the things I'm forgetting about,
because I'm sure that I'm also forgetting about.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, come drop it.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Next up, just a few outtakes from our episode about
Under the Bridge, a fictionalized version based on a book
of a real murder in Canada. We talk about how
the first season of Yellowjackets is streaming on Netflix. We
talk about chronic unusual for us and uh also do

(50:45):
Jehovah's witnesses have a specific grace prayer that they say
talk about wild disparity. In these outtakes, enjoy. Oh my gosh,
So if you're if you're wanting a little more of that.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
The first season of Yellow Jackets, which is a show
on Showtime, was released to Netflix.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yay, okay, because I don't want to see it, Okay,
So I wanted to see it, and I never watched it.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Season one and season two were both out, but only
season one is on Netflix so far, and I'm unwilling
to pay for another streaming service to be able to
see this, so I will wait for it to come
to Netflix.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
But fair, Okay. So the show is really good? Is
it's a lot?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Okay, it's it's intense. Okay, it looked but the soundtrack
is incredible. I mean, and it's really good, but it is.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Very intense, like I can normally like binge watch whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, and Yellowjackets, Oh, yellow Jackets. It was like I
watched an episode and I'm like, I'm gonna go do
something else in a minute, because there's a lot that's great. Anyway,
we're talking about under the back.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
No, but we're talking about under the bridge. You know
what we said.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I said I was going to try to keep this shorter,
and while I'm already failing.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, it's all right, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
So the cannabis variety Chronic Was it available in nineteen
ninety seven?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
No clue, No, not your scene, not my scene, No
clue mine either. I had to look it up.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
But it would have made sense that they would have
been able to obtain that in nineteen ninety seven because
it had won third prize at the High Times Cannabis
Cup in nineteen ninety four. We'll have so having a
big release earlier and having it be like quote unquote
award winning. Yeah, you know, it makes sense that like

(52:45):
three years later is when it would like make it
to rural Canada.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I guess. Yeah it was rural Canada. I mean it's
a small house, right, so yeah on an island. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
The Verk family prayed before their meal, and I wondered
if that the way they spoke was if there's a
particular grace that Jehovah's witness say before their meal.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, do you have any idea?

Speaker 5 (53:15):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I don't care. Oh isn't that terrible?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I just I usually try to be so much more
that I transparent, like not transparent about that, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
They're cult I mean, excuse me, that's fair. So I'm sorry,
that is fair. I'm apparently in a mood that is
also fine. No problem be in the moon because yes,
So somebody asked on a Jehovah's Witness message board if
they were having friends over. They were planning to have

(53:48):
friends over for dinner who were Jehovah's and they wanted
to be respectful, okay, which I appreciate. I do appreciate
that love.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
And they wanted to know how they should pray, and that's.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
That they are better than me.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yes, So the most.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Helpful was do whatever you'd normally do, whether that's pray
or not pray, and whether you were going to have
Jehovah's Witness in your house or not as guests in
your home, they'll be respectful of your traditions, and that's fine.
The less helpful one to explains a little bit. You
should address the Father's Jehovah and pray in Jesus' name.

(54:28):
Oh and by the way, they're not going to consider
your prayer as acceptable to God because you're not a
baptized witness, and they may ask to pray themselves and
they won't bow their heads or say amen to your prayer,
because they don't see it as being acceptable. So I
was like, oh yo, yeah, but they don't seem to

(54:52):
have a specific grace prayer. Yeah, okay, are last Outtakes
Love Lies Bleeding No. That starred Kristin Stewart as a
gym worker in the eighties, and so, of course because

(55:14):
it has Kristin Stewart, we end up talking about Twilight
a little bit. Naturally, the Deluthe model, the Texas winners
are really unpredictable. Jackie rejoices. You'll hear why and much
more enjoy.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
We always we always talk about what we think in
the Yeah that's right, no hit record.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
First, I guess we're in a hit record, and then
and then I'll hear about it. Yes, well, because sometimes
the fact we hate it, I'm like, you know, we.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Can't hold it inside.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I know, like I gotta I gotta know.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I gotta know if you hated it and I didn't,
or I hated it and you didn't, I gotta know.
But oh, by the way, this is Kristen Stewart's best
reviewed film ever.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Oh really good, John Kristen.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Ninety four percent on Rotten Tomatoes. She is good she is.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
There are things about her that are her.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
She she's a character like like a Brad Pitt, like
a Ryan Reynolds. There are certain things that come with
her everywhere.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Right, and yet I still disappear into her character. Sure,
that's what makes her a movie star.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, I mean, people will give her, you know, a
hard time about Bella swan back off.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I will defend Bella.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I will too, because that's the way she's written in
the books. Yes, she's supposed to be like kind of vanilla, yeah,
and kind of ordinary, and like that's like who she is.
She is not loved by Edward because she's so amazing.
She's loved by Edward because she smells delicious. Yes, and

(57:05):
then he comes to love her.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yes, something about her draws him.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, and he doesn't know what it is. Well, And
that's the whole point. Is The whole point is like
even you who are so like ordinary can find this
great love.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
And be well.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, I mean, but it's hard.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
That is the character. It is how it was written.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
It holds up as far as the story goes. And
she played it very well, she did, and so give
her a break.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
And she changed with the character she did throughout the movies. Yes,
so I'm fine with that.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
She was a flighty little teen in the beginning. Let's
remember that, y'all. Yeah, she's supposed to be flighty. Edward's old.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Yeah, okay, like so they are not the same, yeah
exact Okay, so like that's it's supposed to make her
look so shallow and naive and ignorant and whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I never literally thought until just now that if a
vampire is turned before their brain is fully developed, their
brain is never really gonna develop.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
No, but they still are old, and somehow they make
new memories on a brain that's to be dead.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I don't understand, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Right, Yes, it's the undead that's what makes it.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Edward the character is so interesting because he's so youthful
and adolescent in some ways, but also so wise and learned.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
You know, for somebody that old, you have to say
things like learned.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Well, he's going to be perpetually a horny team too,
I mean yeah, yeah, I means good for him that
he's a vampire, that he doesn't also have the like
the zits and stuff to go along with I mean, right, okay,
that's in the bonus and then there's the Duluth model

(59:09):
for intervening by well usually law enforcement, but other agencies
as well in domestic violence. And it's called the Daluthe
model because it was started in Duluth, Minnesota, and it's
called the Domestic Abuse Intervention Programs. And they started in
nineteen eighty trying to reform.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
The laws to help the women.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Because most of you are nine a remember of it
before nineteen eighty and even into the early eighties and
even later than that. Basically you couldn't press charges against
an abusive spouse. That was like their right. They could
like hurt you in law enforcement when listened to you
and the laws didn't support you.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Yeah, they changed the laws in several places so that
police could press charges yea, and didn't need this spouse
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yes, that was the biggest change, right, and that was
part of the later reforms. And these early reforms were
about like allowing allowing a partner to press charges against
their spouse. It has spread across the globe. They mostly
provide education to support professionals, whether that's law enforcement, whether

(01:00:24):
that's attorneys, whether that's social workers, stuff like that. But
they have lots of information on their website thedluthmodel dot
org and it's the domestic Abuse Intervention programs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Because cold all day and I had.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
A drink and I'm hot, I was freezing. I finally
was like, I you know what, I'm gonna have to
eat into winter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I have to drop the heat. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I can't do this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
I will be fine eventually, but it happens so fest
it was like eighty forty yeo.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
And so I like needed like a little like boosted.
So I'll put up to sixteen because I can't. My
feet were cold. They were in socks and I was like,
oh in socks and you were still cold. My feet
were fronsen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I was like, I just keep the chill, getting some bones.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
How about the bodybuilding competition, I mean I wouldn't be
surprised that that's real because they definitely that has happened,
that occurs.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
That is a thing, whether or not there was one
in the eighties at that moment, but it's definitely a
real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
They happened, Yes, but the USFBB Championship not a thing.
Is not okay that it is inspired by real bodybuilding culture,
and it made sense to put it in Las Vegas
because that's kind of this like nexus for entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
That's the kind of event that would happen in Las
Vegas then. And no, so the the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Sprays Han that was happening backstage, and I was like,
this is a whole culture I can't get in with,
Like that is so interesting. And then I thought, oh
my god, this was only the late eighties. Can you
imagine the makeup and the situation that is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Like what is the rules?

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Are there rules about bodybuilding and contouring? I mean, because
I can contour my body and on stage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Uh huh oh yeah, it would totally look totally look different.
I think that there may be like the only because
I knew a lady who did bodybuilding. Yeah, and she
like did a competition that had this whole thing, and
like another lady at the gym was like helping her.

(01:02:38):
And the diet was borderline an eating disorder, but you know,
it was a means to an end and they understood that,
like it was a thing, like all she wanted the
whole like her cheat thing, Like as soon as she
got off stage, was she ate a peanut butter and
jelly sandwich. Oh, because she wasn't allowed to eat a

(01:02:58):
better and jelly sandwich dr training, yeah, which I'm like, oh,
that's sad. But anyway, yeah, yeah, she could do face conting, okay,
but and they could do the spray TN. And the
hotel had very very specific rules about you had to
bring your own sheets because the spray TN would come

(01:03:21):
off on the sheets because of how much they put
on and how how like they wouldn't shower.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Right, it wasn't enough. It was right, it was makeup,
not really a spray can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yes, I mean it was a real SPRAYTND. But they
were doing it so frequently and all this stuff, and yeah,
it was a whole it was a whole thing. Yeah,
but I mean I don't I don't know exactly, but
I know she didn't do any comtoring.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
There's this there's this scene in the movie Face Off,
No No, No, sorry, Broken Arrow, oh era you know
Broken Arrow? Uh huh okay, where they're having like this
chase where the good guy has the nuclear weapon on
the they're like getting like they're stealing the nuclear weapon

(01:04:15):
back from the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Bad guy, which is John Travolta in the movie. I
think it is Christian Christian Slater. Yeah, Christians later.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Is the good guy, right, and so like they're chasing
and so so the bad guy's people are all trying
to fire weapons at the good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
And there's this hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Moment because you know, well John Travolta is funny and
he looks, he's like, he puts his hand out, he's like,
can we stop firing at the nuclear weapons?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Very funny. Also, not a thing they were doing with
those weapons was ever.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Gonna set off that nuclear react that no weapon, and
so it was just very funny because all the nerds
man that wouldn't matter. But the point was that the
movie is exaggerating to prove the point of the situation. Right,
he doesn't know what he's dealing with, he doesn't know
what he's doing. He's nervous. Also, when when cars fall

(01:05:09):
down a cliff, it's very underwhelming. Let it explode to
get the point across about what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
The gravity. It gives you an emotion.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Of the gravity of the situation, whereas if you just
push the car over, you'd be like, huh and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Yeah, and that's not memorable.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
No, this doesn't like give you the real emotions, so like,
that's the thing, you know, truth without facts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I remember seeing Broken Arrow in the nineties. Yeah, has
been a nice hunt in the movie theater together and
then we like, as soon as it came out as
a rental, we rented it and we were like, oh, this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
This is a theater movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
This is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It was awful. It was so much fun in the
movie theater and it was so bad as a rental.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Okay, So the last time I saw it, and it
had been the first time I'd seen it in like
a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
This is so friendiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
My dad had had a heart attack and he just
had two stunts put in and he was in his room, yeah, recovering,
and that came on the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
So I'm watching it and I'm thinking to myself, Wow,
this does not hold up. This is much worse than
I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
And Dad he was gonna in and out and he
been awake for a while, but I wasn't sure if
he was watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
He finally goes, wow, this is terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I was like, it's so funny because the surprise in
his own voice to be like I thought this, and
he said it later he was like, I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
It was a good movie until then, and that's what
I know he was gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Okay, yeah, well let me tell you that movie, like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Acceptability expired right after left the movie theater.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Yeah, whereas like Face Off, I would say, hold.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Up, Yeah, it's because it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
It's ridiculous and it's of its period. Yes, but it
holds up as a movie also, Nick Cage helps.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Right, that's fair. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Did George watch it listening watching we don't you don't
watch us? Listening to an a a bonus episode in
the future SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Championship Game over time, Baby, Did Georgia just pull it out? Yeah?
They did?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Twenty two to nineteen?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Oh cowdows? That's good?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Does that bring it to an end?

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
That's the end.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
That's the end.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yay final twenty two nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I mean, we're in Texas, so I'm obligated, so like, yeah,
ut all, I'm sad, but also I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
You know, So they did Georgia. Hey, hey, you know what,
I just hope both teams have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Okay, well, no, I'm a little more serious than that.
I Mean, here's the thing, though, Texas held its own
in the SEC against good teams, and so I would
say like, oh, that's fair, okay, you know, like there's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
A learning curve to that, and their first year was
a little wrong, but you know, and others that joined
the SEC, they all have the same moment of going, oh, oh,
I see now, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Now, why did we fight for this? Yeah? Why did
we know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
There was a point during the season where they were
like why why, I mean, I know why, but why.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
But anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, so they're an SEC championship
in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Okay, okay, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
You, thank you. That was perfect timing because now it's
a psychology break.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Perfect And then we didn't see too much of best
than JJ's kids only three sons. Yeah. Just briefly, children
are very much affected by witnessing intimate partner vio leunch,
even if they are not themselves abused. It is much

(01:09:19):
more likely that children who have a parents who are
abusive to one another will also be abused. But children
witness sixty eight to eighty percent of all domestic assaults.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
It's really really awful.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
And the part of it is that they see this
and it becomes normalized to them, and then part of
it is also that they have undeveloped brains and it
negatively impacts the way their brains function. And the abused
parent is less capable of caring for the children when

(01:09:57):
they're being abused, and the abusive parent is not caring
for the children when they're abusing their partner, So that
creates an issue with their ability to have a safe place,
be comfortable in their home, and feel bonded to their
parents because their parents can't care for them. It's a

(01:10:20):
whole perpetuating cycle. It's really like awful, and I mean
kids who see this stuff tend to be more likely
to have insomnia, bedwetting, verbal motor or cognitive issues, learning disabilities,
aggressive or antisocial behaviors, self harm, depression, anxiety, with all

(01:10:40):
of these things. It becomes a risk factor for all
of those things and greatly increases their chance that they
will have those issues or that they will be abusers
themselves or victims of abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
When they grow up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
So yep, you know, as a major impact, it really
does bigger than we think it does. Actually, yeah, I
had a bb gun. It was like fashioned after a
glock and have no orange on it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Oh no, this is that like weird period and like
late eighties to nineties where they tried to make things
look real because they didn't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Yeah, so it looks like a freaking glock. If you
on the ground, you would you would swear it's a
night miltin.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Yeah, it's so funny. And I walked, we we ran
around and shot each other in the button.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
It's stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
So that was a bb gun, right, I still have
it and and and like my kids have learned how
to shoot it, and you know, they've shot it like
you know, birds or squirrels to get them out, like
all like you know, very steel magnolia style, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
You know, and oh my gosh. At one point they
went after a skunk. I was like, that ain't gone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Back up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Was very funny. But this, I mean like literally, I'm like,
y'all have to be careful at this because this looks
like a real gun. Yeah, this is not like this
is scary looking. And I was a kid and I
was like, oh, how cool does it have any orange?
It's a real.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Now I'm like, first of all, I've kept it all
this time and it still works.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
All because they made things better and they.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
They did clearly, thankfully, it's only babes, that's right, just bebes,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
That is all of the outtakes that I have for
you today. We really appreciate that you take time to
listen to us. We don't just come on the radio.
You make a choice and we appreciate it. Hey, tell
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(01:12:47):
about the streaming show on Prime Video called Population eleven.
It's in the US now. It was aired in Australia
where it was filmed back in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
It is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
It is lots of mystery, lots of unusual stuff. We're
gonna talk about just the first episode, but there's lots
of creamy stuff all the way through it. It's really fun.
Check it out and we'll catch you next time. And
until then, be safe, be kind, and wash your hands.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Bomb bomb b