January 30, 2025 • 66 mins
Anything can happen in desolate areas like the Outback in Australia - like missing people, beefs in towns with tiny populations, and even… ALIENS! Population 11 - loosely based on a true story - has it all and Jackie and Christy are ready to talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome back to Killer Found, where we explore the intersection
of crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christy and
I'm Jackie, and today today we are talking about population eleven.
Crime are aliens. I wore my alien earrings.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I didn't put it together, but I didn't notice them.
I Oh, I didn't even think about.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It though they're hilarious. I had a gift card and
I was ordering like stuff for the house, which is
my least favorite way to spend a gift card, and
I'm like, these earrings are like seven dollars. Yes, I'm
going to order the earrings and their little spaceships with
lights coming down from them and they're beaming up a cow.
(00:57):
We're gonna have to take a picture the Yes, yes,
because it's they're so funny and they're iridescent and they're fun.
They are fun and they're nice in light, which I
really appreciate too. Yes, it's very fun. But yeah, this
is a silly show.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's a silly, silly show.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime. But maybe surprised at some
of the roots that it's got.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, you know, there's always something deeper, something.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Deeper relays even if I really have to dig for
it sometimes. The cast it's primarily an Australian cast, Yes,
so there's going to be a lot of people. Probably
US audiences won't recognize, but Australian audience is well. It
premiered in Australia in March of twenty twenty four on
(01:50):
the streaming service Stan and now it's on Amazon Prime. Here.
Ben Feldman is Andy and of course he's known for
Super Sure. He was in Madman. His first big job
was c W comedy called Living with Fran Okay, like
one season, almost like half a season, oh wow at
(02:12):
that point, because it was like thirteen episodes something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I never saw that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
No, I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But I adored him in Super Story.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I mean yes, and I just adore him, Yeah, because
he's cute and funny and.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, yes, he's all the he's all the things.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's your type, just totally realized between like Penn Badgeley
and your husband. He's right in there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yep, Yep, you can absolutely drop him right in the
like if you look at all the people I'm like
about absolutely yep. Carbon Coffee, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Katrina Milo Sivek is Sergeant Geraldine Walters. If you're in
the US, he might recognize her from a Netflix show
called glitch O.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, okay, I never watched that, but I did see
a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, I saw. It's like a almost zombie show.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, it was interesting and weird. I kind of started it, yeah,
and then yeah, it's one of those like I think
I watched a whole season of it. It was not
ready to go on with more of it, but it
was interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But she's also been in the long run running show Wentworth,
about a prison system that's very popular in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Darren Gillishan is Hugo and he's missing father, and despite
the fact that his appearance in the first episode is very,
very small, Australian audiences will find him very recognizable. Yeah,
sixty five career credits back to the early nineties, and
(03:57):
Tony Briggs, who plays the priest Jim James, would be
just as recognizable because he's been working in Australian cinema
since the eighties and has also been on Wentworth. I
get the impression that Wentworth is like the US's Lawn
Order CSI. It's so long running. Everybody ends on, it
(04:21):
ends up on it at some point, so I think
that's kind of the US equivalent for it. And then
William Zappa is Cedric Blumenthal. He's not German okay, though
he does very good German accent. He was born and
went to university in England, but has worked in Australia
for nearly fifty years. Wow. Yeah, it was filmed in Australia,
(04:45):
which makes absolutely perfect sense, the Kimberly region in northwestern Australia.
They spent like three months out there filming. The town
was not quite as small as it seems, but Ben
Feldman did say it's still felt very remote.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Very remote thoughts.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh yes, I had a few, okay ton because they're
kind of short episodes. Well they are short, yeah, yes,
and which is why it's just easy to like, you
just keep you just let it play, which is what
I did.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So at the very beginning, Hugo is running from the
lights in the sky and I'm like, humans are so funny.
We think we can outrun anything, and we almost always try.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh we do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I mean tigers who can run fifty miles an.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Hour, Sure, sir, We're still run Aliens.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Who have traversed the galaxy with technology we can't fathom
without a doubt, I can I can outrun them.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Oh for sure, I can get away.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I get what else are you
supposed to do? I mean, But at the same time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It is it is an interesting thing because we have
evolved to run, but it's not always the best choice.
Like okay, for instance, Okay, they have to teach people
like if if you're stuck on a train track or something,
uh huh, don't run away from the train, right, you
should run, you know, forty five degree angle toward the
(06:23):
train and away. Yeah, always because if your if your
car is hit, yeah, it will you know, propel it
down the tracks. You can't out run a train. You
need to move sideways.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, you need to move in the way that the
train's not kind of run the car into you as
you're running a right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So you can run perpendicular, but then the car could
go sideways. So that's why they say run toward and
then and then veer away because that is where the
car is least likely to harmd up right, Or if
you're if some if a car is coming towards you
on a street, don't run away from the car run
sideways to get out of the way, but we instead
(07:04):
tried to outrun it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Huh because him funny.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, our instincts are not the first thing that is
always great.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We're weird.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We're weird.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So the cop wants Andy to breathe into her face.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
After she pulls him over. I left so hard about
that too, and I'm like, have we found a global
rarity and underfunded police department? Because this is absolutely like
the poor man's breathalyzer.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's so funny. And his face what like what he
because he does the what thing what thing very well,
you know, and he's like like a like a breath
like a breathalyzer. And I am like in tears, I thought,
because her face is so she I mean, it was
like it was like an snl skit, except nobody wrote characters.
(07:56):
So it's really great. Yeah, fun it was, although I
do delight when they ring characters.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah. Oh that's my favorite part of it, that l
is when they break character. It makes me so hellpy.
Does so the remaining townspeople really aren't very worried about Hugo.
He's probably gone bush And I'm like bitch, you get
there are twelve people? How much more world do you
need to get you? Right?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like relativity is at all?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, I guess one of the townspeople ask Andy
if he's FBI. Yeah, okay, which would lead me to
two things. First of all, Australia doesn't have an FBI.
They have the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, the Australian Federal Police,
and the Australian Secret Intelligence Surface okay service, but no FBI, right,
(08:52):
which leads me to realize American culture is incredibly pervasive.
Yeah right, Like I had to look up those Australian
agency I didn't know what they were.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I would be yeah no, but he was.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like, are u FBI like out of the bat in
his town with a population of twelve?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It's true though, I mean, we are pervasive that like
American culture is like Heila Cells, right, yep. And there's
no chance that the Bitchy Good hotel is worth eighty
dollars a night, absolutely not, absolutely not, not not a chance.
(09:40):
And then Andy gets bit by a snake while putting
up flyers. Oh yeah, and I'm like, doesn't he know
that everything in Australia is trying to carry everything.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It is scary. I have to be careful though, because
you know these.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Right, dude, Yeah, oh yeah, you got to be careful
because there's real, you large things with eight legs.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I got caught recently.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I believe you. I did.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I got caught recently because it was like, you know,
talking about how this is Australia, and like you know,
it starts with the koala in the room and then
the kangaroo down the street, and then this guy is
like trying to like get something out, like you know,
from underneath a dresser and like kind of like playing
like with a string, and I'm thinking, what kind of
(10:28):
marsupial is about to come out?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It was fuzzy and it was large, uh huh, and
it was not a mammal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I saw the first little leg and I was like,
and I dropped my phone.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Oh I don't have any resources for you today, because
I mean, if you're abandoned by your alien curious steadbeat dad,
quota therapy. If you're gonna go look for the deadbeat
dad in the Australian outback, maybe take a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Don't go alone, don't calone.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So my sources for you today are go to therapy
and make friends.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I love it. You know what, I think everybody needs
that resource. I think that's a universal suggestion. Go. So
here's how it works. Christie wrecks her search history. Hey
an essay. We promise it's nothing more nefarious than a
(11:33):
podcast to find out what's true some of the psychological
motivations behind the character's actions and real life applications that
relate to our topic. I have no idea what Christy
decided to look up could be the same thing that
captured my curiosity or something I never thought of.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Is it true?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I wish?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, you're not gonna believe this. Okay, this is actually
based on a true story.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like, Okay, I do understand that I watched the entire thing, right,
so I can understand how it's based on a true story.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. So back in twenty seventeen, Okay, there was a
little Northern Territory town in Australia called Laramiah. Okay, Whoopsie, Daisy,
I made a little mistake there. It's not Lara Mayah,
it's Larima. I knew that Jackie didn't, so she couldn't
correct me. But once I said it wrong. I said
(12:29):
it wrong the entire time, So I apologize. It's not
rhymes with Jeremiah Larimiah. It's Larima. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And Laramiyah. Yeah, I thought my head heard where Amiyah.
I'm got appropriate Larimiah. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yes, And a man named Patty Moriarty went missing and
they had a population of twelve are you kidding? That
was reduced to eleven. And there was like little feuds
between people and they were they all had beef, and
(13:12):
there was a crocodile named Sam and a pie shop owner. Yeah.
So after this man went missing, a couple of people
made a podcast about it called Lost in Laramiah, and
then they wrote a book about it and it got optioned.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, And so it's been made into a documentary, Last
Stop in Laramiah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay, that's was made by HBO.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Population eleven is the first fictionalized version of the story.
And it's like it's not the same story. It doesn't
use the same names, it doesn't have a lot of
the same players. It's but it's based on it. Like
they were like, this is a good idea for a show, like.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This is funny. Yeah, and nobody's laughing.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
We can make this funny, right. Yeah. Unfortunately, Patty is
believed to be dead. They believe he died the night
he went missing. Oh, however, nobody's been charged. They do
believe it's murder, but nobody's been charged for it. And
(14:23):
Phil Lloyd, who created the show, said, there is a
one really fundamental difference between Population eleven and the story
of Patty Moriarty Lost in Lhereamiah, in that Population eleven
has an end, yes, and Lost in Lheremiah does that
we do not know for sure what happened to Patty Moriarty.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So UFOs aren't UFOs anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
No, now they're UAPs.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
UAPs.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So it used to be UAPs were unidentified aerial phenomena,
but in December of twenty twenty two they changed it
to unidentified anomalous phenomena because some of the things they.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Were seeing weren't just flying.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They were in the water or in space, and so
they're like, well, we can't call it aerieal if it's
not in the air all the time. Some of them
spent time in the air but also went other places, right,
And it's basically like an unidentified flying object. Right, it's
(15:37):
basically the same thing it is, right, Like, it's just
we don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's an expanded definition, sure, right, to cover more of
the phenomena that seems to be similar. Right, But we
don't want to have like, oh, but that's an unidentified
flying object and not an unidentified.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah aquatic object, Like, we don't want to do that. No, no,
we just we want something that encompasses it all.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And basically, I don't know why that's so funny, but
that is so funny an unidentified aquatic objects.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That tickles me, which I mean you know that could
you could use that to describe lockness, well, you could
a lockness monster. It's a UAP. Oh my god, okay,
uh sorry, I really is just like knock your up,
(16:35):
of course, it's so funny though, Okay, So it's basically
just anything that can't be denied. Though UAPs are more
specific in that it's not just your standing on the
ground and you don't know what that thing is up
in the sky, right, It's that pilots can't use their
(16:56):
instruments to identify what something is. Right now, most of
the time, with a little further investigation. They're able to
figure it out without much problem.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Occasionally they're a little different. So we had a hole
in the US, a congressional Oh yes thing where they
talked about how there were some oval and spherical objects
that were traveling at high speeds which didn't have an
(17:31):
apparent means of propulsion and seemed to not be behaving
under the laws of physics as we understand them. It's
difficult to know if those were something terrestrial that we
just don't know about yet, or extraterrestrial that we also
don't know about yet, or if they were a malfunctioning
(17:53):
of the sensors in some way. There's a lot of theories.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
There's a lot of theories.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm not going to weigh in on any of them
because I really don't have a lot of opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, it was fascinating. It was fascinating, But I mean,
I don't disbelieve no, that they saw what they saw.
But I also understand that light can play tricks on you,
and like sometimes things look different.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, sometimes things are it's an illusion, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And so.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And just because we don't yeah, yeah, but it is
it is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I think what was fascinating about those hearings wasn't the description.
What was fascinating to me was a certainty that they
had about what it was like they have opinions, like
these pilots had opinions, like certain certain individuals tasked with
projects like purported to not just have opinions but have
(18:55):
evidence based.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right in fact, sure, which is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't know if that means that there's aliens.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I mean it makes me want to run for Congress
just so I can find out some things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right, Like I just want to read the secret documents.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't just I just do. I just want to know.
I just want to know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's fair. I mean, it's not. Wouldn't be the worst
reason somebody ran for Congress.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It correct, It might be benevolence compared to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Uh huh, yeah, lots of other stuff. So the Air
Force coined the phrase UFO in nineteen fifty two directly
in response to the apparent downing of something in Roswell
in nineteen forty. So that right, and it really kind
(19:48):
of became this cultural phenomenon, which is why they changed
it to UAP because UFO made you sound like a lunatic.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, it also yes the connotation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yes yes, because it had really latched its claws into
popular culture. It then made the pilots unbelievable and they
said I saw a UFO and they were like, okay, okay,
what did you smoke? Right, because you shouldn't be flying
under the influence of anything. So Unidentified aerial Phenomena was
(20:27):
first used in the press in nineteen eighty seven, but
UAP didn't take hold like widely until twenty twenty. That
was mainly because the pilots were saying, we can't come
forward and talk about this stuff because we sound ridiculous
and unbelievable if we say, way, you saw UFO.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Which is hard because it makes the pilots less likely
to actually file the reports right, which you need to
write because it just because it's aerial phenomena we're not
aware of, you know, immediately, doesn't mean that we shouldn't
be aware of it. It doesn't mean aliens. Often it
means this is what we do. We it's counterintelligence, right,
(21:12):
it's an intelligence and it's like we have to have
these reports. We have to know what's happening, right, and
so we need them to file it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
We need to know what's happening, whether it's an adversarial
government or just benign in some way, or if it
is aliens. Really we want it. We need to know all.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Those all those things. Yes, so file the reports.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So Hugo is running amidst some rocks in the very beginning,
except they're not rocks.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Oh oh oh yeah, you know what they are? Oh god,
oh my god. The termites. Yeah, that was so weird.
I did not know that. And then I was like
what they said it in the show?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Later and I was like what what what?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Uh huh? Yeah, they're termite mountains and so termites will
build mounds above ground in Africa, South America and Australia.
Yeah that's wild, uh huh. Which is wild. And it
makes sense that it would be unsettling to you because
we don't see that here. Yeah, so where we are,
(22:17):
they're not a thing. I mean you might see tall
ant mounds, yeah, but not but not like four foot tall, not.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Four foot tall, not like giant like ruins. No, it
looks like ruins.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well, I mean, yes, there's magnetic or compass termites, which
is probably what those were and they are endemic. They
only live in Australia, okay. And they are called that
because they have a wedge shaped mound that runs a
north south access and they can be very spread apart,
(22:52):
or they can be grouped together in a graveyard like manner.
That's that's what we saw, and that's what we saw.
So I was like, wow, okay, that seems like a
scary place to be trying to run from something.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh yeah, I know I would run straight into it.
Huh yeah, no no.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And then a bit by termites.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They bite. That's wild to me too, Like they'll bite
you if you stick your finger in it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, no, the termites bite. That's weird. I mean, like
our nuisance with termites is just a very different experience.
They try to eat our homes.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right exactly. And I guess termites and Australia and Africa
and South America are different. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What do they eat? It's not wood?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I don't know. That is an excellent question. They gather
grass and other plant material to basically make themselves hay
inside their little mounts they make They make hay while
the sunshines wild.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, that's it. Wow, okay, rabbit holes goalore, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Can you rent a car from king a Car like
Andy didn't?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I don't think so, but I think there's probably something
pretty close they made fun of.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Okay, well they actually were making fun of something that
is now defunct. Okay, think I think so. There was
a king of Car and moped higher is what it
was called.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
They are no longer operating, Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So the from what I can gather reading about it
a little bit, the appeal of Kanka Car was that
they would rent vehicles with a like deposit paid to
individuals under twenty one years old. So if you were
between eighteen and twenty one and you needed to rent
(24:49):
a car in Australia, it's very difficult to do. Most
people won't rent. In the United States, you can have
a hard time renting a car if here under twenty five.
Yeah right, so like sometimes if you're married you can
get around that, but it can be really difficult, so
if you're trying to travel as a young person and
can be challenging. So that was kind of the appeal
(25:11):
of Kanga Car. Now they would require this deposit and
it was often not returned, so that was the chief complaint, smug, corrupt,
rip off, avoid at all costs. These are all the
reviews that I'm reading. So they would not return the
deposit that they were supposed to return and just like
(25:35):
ignore you. Or they would say there was damage to
the vehicle that you didn't notice and then refuse to
provide like receipts for repairs, or they would say, oh,
it took us three months to get the repairs done,
so we had to that car was out of service,
even though it was like a scratch. It wasn't like
(25:56):
damage that prevented you from driving the car. You'd have
noticed that. And they say, oh, that used up the
rest of your deposit because we had to take that
car to service, so we charged you for that. So
it was real shady.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah that sounds.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And also they were like if you live in a
different state in Australia than the one where they were
located in, then there was a big problem. If you
came from out of the country, it's a big problem.
So I'm like, this is why uber.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah it was a scam.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, it was a scamp.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Maybe they were mummy laundering.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh all right, So the bartender arrives recklessly back to
the pub in a race car with young veterans on
the side. Is this a real organization in Australia.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm trying to remember the scene.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So she almost hits Andy. She goes into the pub,
sees at the very beginning, sees the flyer with his
dad advertising the UFO tours. There's nobody there, right, and
she drives in it almost right, Okay, Okay, she's in
her in the stock car.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'm gonna go to know Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It actually is an organization founded in twenty twelve, and
it was because they were having a hard time with
young veterans who'd come back from you know, deployments or whatever.
They're having a hard time reintegrating into their area. But
they also didn't want to talk about their experiences. They
(27:32):
didn't want to like spend time and compare their experiences
with the older generation. So they formed the Young Veterans
Organization that tried to help them with activities and social
events okay, rather and re engaging with the community, rather
than marinating in their you know, trauma. Right, And so
(27:58):
they do all kinds of things, camping, fishing, yoga, bowling,
rock climbing, all kinds of stuff, and off road racing
teams is one.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Of the things I thought that.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Was kind of fun neat organization. Also, like good, are
the bush or gone bush terms that are used in Australia.
I think, yes, yes, it is English vernacular, vernacular of Australia,
New Zealand and South Africa. So and it's basically so
(28:32):
we really think of it as Australian, right when you
hear somebody talk about the bush.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I actually I think it may have just been from
a movie, but I think of Africa first. Oh really,
Oh okay, yeah, okay, there's an old movie it's called
the Bushman anyway. But yeah, I've heard this term in
multiple in those places, but not from actual people, just
in media.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, yeah, like dis yeah, yes, exactly to date myself.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, those movies.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's not a knife, this is a knife. So good.
It is pretty iconically Australia though, but it basically it
doesn't refer to a particular kind of vegetation. It just
means a sparsely inhabited region. And gone bush or go
(29:29):
to bush is a term that is actually used in
Australia to revert to a feral nature, which I thought
was very funny. But it basically means to like, go
live rough, go camping, basically disappear, Yeah, disappear for a
little while, Ye lose your mind. Speaking of disappearing, the
(29:53):
people in the pub mentioned that things can go wrong
when you've gone bush. Yeah. One of those was being
a serial killer. Has there been a Bush serial killer?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean, I want to say yes, uh huh, it's
probably I'm gonna guess that it's somewhat adjacent to what
I'm thinking of as like a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Sure, but yeah, okay, so probably Okay. Australia, to be fair,
and most countries, to be fair, do not have a
serial killer problem like the United States does. Yeah, we're
a little unique in the prolificness of such a grim situation.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yes, because you could come here and achieve anything you
would want to.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Be, including being a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There was the backpacker murders that.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Happened between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety three, and
it was in New South Wales, Australia, and they were
committed by Ivan Milak and so to back up in
the like, before the mid nineties, hitchhiking in Australia was
(31:11):
not exactly safe, but it was kind of thought to
be adventuresome and economical and a way to travel. And
then some people started going missing, so they started traveling
in pairs. And some of the people who went missing
were these backpackers, these who ended up murdered, and they
(31:33):
were found out in the bush like their bodies were
found out in the bush and the sky. I'van a
Lot was convicted of seven murders. I believe he.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It wasn't a Jason, That's exactly what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, And he did die in prison in twenty nineteen
and maintained his innocence of them, but they believe he was.
Uh were responsible for far more murders than just the
seven that they know about, so not out of the
(32:07):
realm of possibility. And certainly if you know you were
to go missing in the Australian Outback and you were murdered,
they might not be a thing, you know, So there
could be still more, but hopefully not. But if you
want to read about those, I'll have those on our
(32:28):
social media. So Audrey owns the Pie Bakery Chinese fusion restaurant,
which is so weird but funny. She offers camel hoof pie.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Can you even eat a camel hook I don't. I mean,
you can ground anything off, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
But it was. It's actually like really on point for
a Chinese fusion restaurant because they are a Northern Chinese
delicate see camel hoofs. But it's not like the whole yet.
Basically there's like one little piece of meat you get
from each camel hoof. Okay, it's weird, I'm not gonna lie.
(33:13):
But Kai has a travel blog and he wrote about
eating a camel hoof in northern China, okay, and he
said he felt a little bad about it, but he
said that it's also an authentic local dash. Camels are
not an endangered species, and the locals use the rest
(33:35):
of the animal in other ways, so he was not
too worried about it. But it's just one little, teeny
tiny piece, so it's weird but also makes sense. And
then when you watch later in the show, you realize,
you know, she didn't, yeah, that she definitely didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Just use that part of the camel. Definitely not right.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So Nol, the owner of the General could store, Yeah,
used to have a zoo in Bidgie Good, which seems
like overkill for a population of twelve whatever, and it
included at one time a d venom snake who was
now roaming. I guess, can you devenom a snake?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh? Man, Yes, I think you can. Uh huh, I
think you can.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yes, yeah you can. But should you? Uh no?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, I feel like that's not I don't know. I mean,
if it's a pet, I guess. But if he has
other disabilities and he can't live in the wild, then
he needs to live with a person, then yes, we
need to, you know, like a skunk. Like if a
skunk had had a bad foot and couldn't hunt and
couldn't take care of itself and needed to live somewhere cush,
(34:55):
you know, in order to live. I'm absolutely going to
de skunk the skull. Sure, fair, right, then I'm gonna
have a cute fluffy friend.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yes, So I think you can, but I don't think
you typically would.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay. So, venom Oid surgery is a thing. I know
it's got a ridiculous name, but it's basically where they
remove the glands that produce the venom or sever them
from being able to export the venom. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
(35:33):
And it's been done in the past for snakes that are,
you know, in public demonstrations or as pets. Unfortunately, it
is not uncommon even if you remove the glands that
produce the venom, it's not uncommon for them to grow back,
(35:56):
and if you just sever it, things grow back to Yeah,
so you supposedly safe. Snakes who've had the venomoid surgery
have killed mice and in veninated humans.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
It's not a perfect, perfect thing.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's certainly not a perfect thing, and it's in many
places considered animal cruelty because it's very difficult to anesthetize
a snake enough that you know that they're not in
pain right and removing the fangs entirely would kill the snake.
(36:36):
So you can't remove the fangs. You only can remove
the venom sacs, and then they may grow back, so
they're not necessarily safe. But that would have been less
funny in the show. But Australia in specifically in nineteen
eighty six had a Prevention for Cruelty to Animals bill passed,
(36:56):
and the State of Victoria into thousand and seven actually
amended that nineteen eighty six ruling to ban the removal
of venom glands from snakes unless it was done for
a therapeutic reason by a veterinarian because they had a
(37:16):
bunch of people who were like just doing it at home.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
What what?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, because they didn't want their snakes to be able
to kill them, so they didn't. I'm like, yeah, no,
say exactly. It's cruelty to animals. It is, so, yeah,
Ken probably should not. Yeah. Yeah. And then Hugo recorded
a video on a VHS tape and he claims to
(37:43):
have been abducted by the as Yarn species from Kepler
sixteen oh six B. Is there any truth to any
of it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
No, No, I mean this is a no, okay, this
is not true. It's just conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Sure, yeah, yeah. But my guess is, of course we
have no way of knowing if there is an as
Yarn species from anywhere. No.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
In fact, I was trying to search my mind to
see is that from a book? Is that from a book?
Is that from a book? But you know, I couldn't
think of anything.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Not that I could find. But Kepler sixteen oh six
B is a super Earth exoplanet discovered in twenty sixteen.
It is twenty eight hundred and seventy light years from Earth. Yeah,
fairly far. But it has a year of just under
two hundred days and it's nearly five earths. Big. Yeah,
(38:42):
so cool.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's a cool place, like I know about Kepler, Okay,
like and so yeah yeah, if we ever need you escape,
that would be a great place to get to if
we could get to it. But we can't get to
it yet.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, just three thousand years away if we can travel
at the speed of light.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Of light yeah, so yeah, not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
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You might learn a little something too. Psychology break all right,
So while Andy is talking with the German transplant Cedric,
we come to realize that no one's from Bidjie good. Yeah,
(39:46):
that it's the place that people run away to, right,
So I thought we'd look at the psychology of place
a little bit like that. Bella. Depollo, PhD wrote a
r call The Place of Place in Our Lives for
Psychology Today, and she's kind of looking at it from
(40:06):
a business perspective. How very often single people are thought, well,
you can just pick up and move. You don't have
other people you have to be concerned about, because you
don't have a spouse or family who also have to
uproot their lives, meaning you can just get up and go.
And of course that's really not true at all, and
(40:30):
that often employers who are asking people to do this
overlook the power of place in people's lives. Environmental psychologists
really recognize the importance of space and that there are
certain environments that are really far more restorative than others.
(40:54):
And if you're used to a city space, going to
a more rural space like you know, lakes by the
water or the mountains or whatever, could be more restorative
because it's different than what you've been accustomed to. But
(41:15):
we do have a lot of attachment to our space
as well, and that architects and urban planners, particularly in
the wake of pandemic, have really started to look at
ways that architecture can help people not only feel safe,
(41:35):
but also build community and social interaction in ways that
are appropriate and safe.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I have I have a lot of passion for this subject.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, I feel like one of my other my other lives.
Do you know, things like I could have done that,
oh my gosh in an alternate university. Yeah, like the
psychology of architecture, right, like and the and the Yes.
I have a big passion about it, which is a
lot of people feel like maybe it's bougie, okay, right,
(42:05):
And I don't think it's about being bougie. I think
it's about serving people to the best, like and helping
people be the best. Sure, but it comes across bougie
because what you're really saying is you like pretty spaces.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right yeah, but pretty spaces have like an actual function, yeah, right,
Like they're if you look at the large windows. I'm
thinking of a hospital that I've spent too much time
and not for myself but for other people. And you know,
they have areas with large windows, and do they really
(42:40):
need those large windows? Is it really economical to have
those large windows? Well, when you look at it that way,
you know, but being able to see out to some
green space makes a big difference. In how you feel
when you're sitting in that waiting room.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yep, it's very very important.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's interesting. So traveling may make us want to move, Unfortunately,
studies show that it actually won't probably make us happier.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
That is, yees, partly right, the green grass is greener,
uh huh. Phenomenon right, right, partly because you go and
you have this lens, and so the things that you
see you may not be seeing as clearly. Right, you're
just not seeing it as clearly. It's not you're not
it's not even thinking. It's just better. You don't really
see what's happening for real, right, yes, And gosh, no
(43:37):
amount of telling somebody that what you're saying about this
space is not true.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Uh huh No, So.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
A lot of just you just have to find out
for yourself then.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Uh huh. Or you can read the study in or
you can try and try and try and recognize.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
So Quartz had an article by Melody Warnick, and she
confesses that every time she goes on vacation somewhere, she
like thinks about what it would be like to move there.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, I mean literally last summer we were on vacation
and I'm like, I want to move here.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yes, of course that was home for me. I want
to move home.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yes, So you actually have experience with it.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah that was so that was a little different. But
I do do this everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Like, yes, me too. Every time I go on vacation somewhere,
I'm like, yes, what does real estate cost here? And
usually that fixes me. But we think that we're going
to be happier somewhere else, Like we feel like wherever
we are now, we already know what the story is,
we know how it's gonna end. And if you live
(44:45):
in a particular place, you learn its weaknesses and you
tend to see those. So you go to a new
place and she calls it a geographic version of a crush,
Like that's so so true, so valid. And we think
that we're going to go there and we're going to
like we're going to get this great new job and
(45:07):
we're going to find it significant other if we don't
already have one, and we're going to self actualize. And
it can change your life. And there are some socioeconomic
factors that can actually be better for you marginally. So
if the cost of living is lower, the weather is better,
(45:28):
you whatever. But when you move, you give up all
of your social capital, all of the connections that you've made.
This can be difficult for adults. It's particularly challenging for adolescents.
It's really you're not really probably going to be happier,
and moving is really really stressful.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It can be. Yeah, it can be very stressful. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So what she suggests, and I really appreciate this is
what made you love your vacation spots so much?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
And then you know, take that home and see if
you can.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Right, did you go spend a lot of time outdoors?
Maybe you need to spend more time outdoors. Go camping,
go fishing, go do whatever whatever it was that you
did on vacation that made you feel so great, go
and do that. If you aid at all the restaurants
and were like planning your day around the restaurants, maybe
find new restaurants in your own hometown. Whatever it is
(46:28):
that made you feel great about that location that you
were either on vacation or visiting family or there for work.
Whatever it is, whatever you did there that made you
feel so good, try doing that at home and see
if that doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Litlet's see. No, yep, And if you are going to move,
just take time, take a beat. Yeah, take a beat,
think about it. See if you like it's still visit
more often, yeah, right, go back a couple of times,
a few times at least, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes you don't have a choice
to where or when you move, but yeah, a lot.
But for the most people, if you're not in the military,
you have a little more choice. Usually occasionally people have
another job outside of that. That'll that's actually become.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So much more common now, people moving for work, right,
And so it's actually become a problem in that we
don't have community because people are moving and they're so
transient that they don't build a community. They're not connected
to their families, and they're less motivated. This is some
some readings. You know, they're showing some less motivation to
(47:42):
stick through conflict with family because they don't have to
actually live with them. And so it's kind of like
the idea of yes, you want to be free, but
that also can make you not set down the roots
you need, right, So.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, yeah, and the familiar places are really comforting. This
was by Sally Auguston, a practicing environmental psychologists who wrote
an article for psychology today the power of self managed
familiar places, So particularly when the world at large is unpredictable,
(48:23):
it can be very helpful to have a place where
you live where you can control the temperature and when
you open and close the blinds and how set up
your nest. Right, Like, this is why it's nice for
kids to have their own room, because they can go
and like if they want to be messy, they can
(48:43):
be messy, if they want to like live under a
pile of blankets or close their blinds in the middle
of the day or whatever, it can be really good
for them. And that predictable things in your space can
really help when the world outside it is unpredictable. Just
that they that the power of that is I can't
(49:06):
really be overstated. Yeah, yeah, And if you have something
negative happen in a space, you may just like want
to move, and that's that's valid and positive sometimes. But
you can also if that's a particularly if it's a
financial strain on you, you can try redecorating a little bit,
(49:27):
because it's cheaper to redecorate than to move move the
furniture around, or take stuff off the walls or paint
or whatever it is that you need to do to
like make that space comfortable in a different way that
can really help. No, those hit home, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Everything I struggle with today. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
get it. Those are all my existential crisis right there,
I understand.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yep, real life alien tours there things. Oh I'm sure
you have.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
We heard of area fifty one.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
So predictably, Roswell, New Mexico is a hotbed for these.
Now they definitely go back to the summer of nineteen
forty seven when the thing fell down, and now this
particular tour forty seven to fifty, a person is basically, yes,
(50:29):
is basically going and visiting the places that are in
the history of this. Okay, they do not guarantee that
you will have an alien encounter or that you will
see a UFO Okay, your forty seven fifty doesn't provide
you with that. Okay, so you may unlikely stability. Predictably, Sedona, Arizona,
(50:55):
also a desert area, is a hotbed for UFO tours,
so they use night vision goggles take you out. Sedona
is what they call a dark sky city. There aren't
as many lights in the city at night, so viewing
stars and the Heavens is much better, Yes, much better.
(51:20):
It's ninety dollars a person, and they guarantee a UFO
sighting or your money back.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Now, remember a UFO is just an unidentified flat.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
So basically you're going to actually see meteorites and see things.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You're just not going to know what they are. You
may see starlink or something right, yes, exactly, and you
don't know what it is, and they're not going to
tell you because they want to keep your ninety dollars person. Yes,
a little more surprising for UFO tour Oka Hawaii, Oh interesting,
the Big Island of Hawaii. Doctor Lisa Thompson. I looked
(51:59):
her up. She has a PhD in organismal biology and
anatomy from the University of Chicago and was a professor
of biology there for a while.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Okay, now, she.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Takes people out to a remote place in Hawaiian Okay,
and gives you the night vision goggles so that you
can look around. And her lower tier tour is the
Intro UFO Tour, and for an hour and a half
(52:33):
she'll take you out and have you look at the
Hawaiian sky and she'll help you identify some of the
things that you see up in the sky, like satellites
and stuff. She's got special software so she can know
where the satellites are and help you identify those things
so that you're not confused as to what's a alien
(52:54):
alien or UFO and what's actually just something that can
be identified. And that's one hundred and twenty five dollars
a person. The expanded tour adds another hour and a
half for two hundred and twenty five dollars a person,
and Doctor Lisa guides you through a meditative journey to
help you meet your galactic guides, to raise your vibration
(53:20):
to call in spacecraft. Okay, she does not guarantee that
you will see a UFO, but they say they have
a very high success rate, and you do need your
own vehicle for that one.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
If you can't make it to Roswell or Sedona or Hawaii,
if you live in maybe New England or Eastern Canada,
Pine Bush, New York has a very high UFO incident
and they have a UFO and paranormal museum in Pine Bush.
(54:07):
You can get general mission or a guided tour and
it's a little more affordable and uh yeah, so if
you live in that area. But how about Australia, So
population eleven knew what they were doing by setting the
scene in the Northern Territory of Australia because that's where
Weeacliffe well is. So it's supposedly the fifth best place
(54:33):
in the world to have UFO signing. Interesting, Uh huh right,
it's a consistent sightings of extraterrestrial activity. Okay, it's very
flat and desert, so seeing airborne movement is very easy there. Yeah,
(54:55):
because it's out in the dark, it's far from civilization
and it's very flat. You're gonna see movement. You're not
gonna know what's what's moving out there. Probably they're also
and the only accommodation is the caravan park and they
have like aliens and stuff like there. They just like
(55:19):
really lean into it. One of the most well known
encounters in Weacliffe is that there was an enormous craft
over a toilet block one hundred meters above the ground.
I had to look up what a toilet? Yeah, So basically,
(55:40):
if you go to a park with your kids, you
know they have the the restrooms made out of cinder block.
That would be a toilet block. It could also refer
to like the rental like the porta potties, but like
the ones that are bigger, you know, where it's got
several stall so you can wash your hands, and maybe
(56:02):
it has a shower or something like that. That would
also be a toilet block. Okay, but I think this
is more like the like, yeah, like a park, like
a permanent thing. Yes, And I don't understand why aliens
are so enamored with our elimination needs, because it seems
like all the stories you hear about have something to
do with that.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Okay, large object toilet block. Yeah, that's that's interesting though.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
So the pub and BITCHI Good huh served as a
bar foremost trade, but also as a church.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yes, yes, yes, there was a curtain for a little
a little confessional.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yes. And it seems like they hold their church services there.
This isn't a new idea. A pastor named Brian Berghalf
wrote a book called Pub Theology in twenty twelve, and
places like Port and Fort Worth, Michigan, Washington, d C.
Boston have found that holding church or something like it
(57:11):
in a pub can be a welcoming experience for people.
It isn't because they want to use the beer or
other alcohol to induce mystical or a static feelings. It's
(57:31):
more just about being a welcome place where people who
might not feel comfortable going into a more traditional church
might find it easier to walk into a bar. Now, however,
these pub churches often are not as strict. They might
not even be wanting to convert people. They are like
(57:53):
using their religion to say, let's build community. You don't
have to fall our way, come in and talk, let's
just have some time together. And they tend to be
a lot more inclusive and less concerned with the idea
of converting somebody than they are. They tend to be
less evangelical.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
See, and my experience is they are one hundred percent evangelical.
Oh really, None of these churches they plant themselves in
a pub are doing so because they want to stay
in that pub.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
They are doing it as a very intentional marketing to
get to the like you said, because people feel more
comfortable there. We have to go where the people are right,
so that what they're doing is they're going In my experience,
because I've been around this the whole pub sing and
sings like the pub churches. You know, it's just another tactic.
(58:50):
It's very intentional, okay, very funded to go into these
places and have church there. And then the idea is
because people are more comfortable, they can evangelize more. They
absolutely still have to operate on donations. They are a
five one. See, they're not people just getting together, most
(59:13):
of them. Unfortunately, I have to say, hence.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
The book, right.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
The book is there because it guides ministry professionals on
how to do this. And so they come across and
they say they don't want you to be a part
of it like that, or they're not strict, or they
don't care. They care immediately the second you do want
to join them. And so it's a little bit kind
(59:39):
of like the big megachurches that are all like, we
don't care, you can be you and da da da dada,
and they're acting, but there's actually a doctrine behind that
that's very different. So there's a little bait and switch.
Be aware with pub churches a lot bait and switch.
Ask them who planted them there? Yeah, ask them where
they're funding is coming from.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Good those are good tips because if they're just like
you know what, I just want the community to come
together on a Sunday morning, whether whether what you believe
or maybe that's fine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Maybe if they have if they're connected.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
To Baptist ties, then maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
If they have any for you. If they and here's
another tip, if they have non denominational ties. So if
it's a minister who was like, yeah, I'm actually you know,
I used to be with them and now I'm coming
over here. Like, if it's somebody like who is attached
to or funded or supported by a non denominational that
is typically Baptist, uh huh. The whole non denom movement
(01:00:37):
was funded by the Southern Baptist Convention.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yep. Hm, well that makes me sad a little bit.
I was like, oh that's nice.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I know it does. Look there they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Scary stories from now back. Okay, So there's a Anne Marie,
a travel blogger who has been traveling around the Million
outback for years, and she shares something I'm going to
share just one of the stories that she shares on
her blog. She got a story from a tour guide
(01:01:12):
who was working in the outback. Now Stuart Highway in
Australia is evidently the longest and straightest highway in the world.
It's so remote you can't use your phone out there.
There's not like cell service and stuff. So they're driving
along in their little bus and they see a man
(01:01:34):
and his dog walking along the side of the road,
which is unusual because it's so remote, right, So they
pull up next to him, and the tour guide is
yells out to him, hey, are you okay, and the
guy just like does not talk to him at all, like,
doesn't acknowledge that the bus is there. So the people
(01:01:57):
on the bus are like, there must be something wrong
with this man. Obviously he's addled by the heat and
maybe he is not not hydrated enough when we should
force him to get on the bus, And the tour
guide is like, I have a bad feeling about this,
and so, much to the consternation of the people on
the bus, he drove away okay. So then he was
(01:02:21):
meeting his friends that evening for dinner, and one of
the friends was late because he worked for law enforcement
and they had been investigating a very brutal, bloody crime
scene in a town nearby, and lo and behold, who
(01:02:42):
was the suspect they were looking for? So the man
they were looking for was a man with a dog,
And of course this guy said, I saw a man
with a dog out on Stewart Highway, and that is
exactly where they found their suspect who had committed these
(01:03:02):
brutal murders. So like, good for the tour guy, yes
that he followed his instincts and didn't try and force
this brutal murderer on the bus.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yes, yeah, good for him for like assessing the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, exactly. And then she has other stories about uh
tour passenger behaving unusually, somebody who is advertising for a
driver to take an alcoholic to the bar, and a
pair who may have been being set up to have
her organs traffic. Oh yeah, interesting and scary and I
(01:03:44):
a lighter note, l note. Australians have some very endearing expressions. Okay,
so you know how it is we all speak English. Yeah,
but you know you end up with when you live
in different communities, you end up with some different expressions
that are you know, we find very fun because they're
(01:04:04):
different than us. So to crack onto somebody is to
kiss someone or try and pick them up in a bar. Okay,
having a winge this is one of my favorites. It's complaining.
Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
And then a palm is a derogatory word for a
British person. They might call them a winging palm, a
complaining British person like I like winge and fussed fussed, Yeah,
I'm not fussed about that, or they're very fussed about something.
(01:04:43):
That's one of my favorites. It's chalkers in here, it's crowded,
like it's chock full. Yeah, okay, but they just shortened
it to chalkers, which is adorable. Crack open a tinney. Oh,
it's open a can of beer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Okay, thought I was thinking that, but h.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And then another favorite of mine, brecky breakfast breakfast. Okay,
check on some trackie decks to put on a tracksuit pants.
Oh okay, check on some tracky decks. It's just adorable. Uh.
To be pissed isn't to be annoyed, but rather to
(01:05:24):
be drunk.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah. And then, as I've always called it, thongs, which
are flip flops. Oh yes, the Nazi. Yes, before they
were ever underwear or swimwear, thongs were flip flops. Yes, sandals,
(01:05:45):
a speedo is a budgy smuggler because budgies are a
little bird.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah that's funny. That's so funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, So next time I'm some pulpy, mysterious fun from
Harlan Coben. Yes, missing, you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Gotta do it. We gotta hit them all.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
That's right, because why not. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
They are.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
They're good, they're good, they're digestible. That's right, exactly. Thank
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Welcome back to Killer Found, where we explore the intersection
of crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christy and
I'm Jackie, and today today we are talking about population eleven.
Crime are aliens. I wore my alien earrings.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I didn't put it together, but I didn't notice them.
I Oh, I didn't even think about.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It though they're hilarious. I had a gift card and
I was ordering like stuff for the house, which is
my least favorite way to spend a gift card, and
I'm like, these earrings are like seven dollars. Yes, I'm
going to order the earrings and their little spaceships with
lights coming down from them and they're beaming up a cow.
(00:57):
We're gonna have to take a picture the Yes, yes,
because it's they're so funny and they're iridescent and they're fun.
They are fun and they're nice in light, which I
really appreciate too. Yes, it's very fun. But yeah, this
is a silly show.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's a silly, silly show.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime. But maybe surprised at some
of the roots that it's got.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, you know, there's always something deeper, something.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Deeper relays even if I really have to dig for
it sometimes. The cast it's primarily an Australian cast, Yes,
so there's going to be a lot of people. Probably
US audiences won't recognize, but Australian audience is well. It
premiered in Australia in March of twenty twenty four on
(01:50):
the streaming service Stan and now it's on Amazon Prime. Here.
Ben Feldman is Andy and of course he's known for
Super Sure. He was in Madman. His first big job
was c W comedy called Living with Fran Okay, like
one season, almost like half a season, oh wow at
(02:12):
that point, because it was like thirteen episodes something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I never saw that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
No, I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But I adored him in Super Story.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I mean yes, and I just adore him, Yeah, because
he's cute and funny and.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, yes, he's all the he's all the things.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's your type, just totally realized between like Penn Badgeley
and your husband. He's right in there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yep, Yep, you can absolutely drop him right in the
like if you look at all the people I'm like
about absolutely yep. Carbon Coffee, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Katrina Milo Sivek is Sergeant Geraldine Walters. If you're in
the US, he might recognize her from a Netflix show
called glitch O.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, okay, I never watched that, but I did see
a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, I saw. It's like a almost zombie show.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, it was interesting and weird. I kind of started it, yeah,
and then yeah, it's one of those like I think
I watched a whole season of it. It was not
ready to go on with more of it, but it
was interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But she's also been in the long run running show Wentworth,
about a prison system that's very popular in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Darren Gillishan is Hugo and he's missing father, and despite
the fact that his appearance in the first episode is very,
very small, Australian audiences will find him very recognizable. Yeah,
sixty five career credits back to the early nineties, and
(03:57):
Tony Briggs, who plays the priest Jim James, would be
just as recognizable because he's been working in Australian cinema
since the eighties and has also been on Wentworth. I
get the impression that Wentworth is like the US's Lawn
Order CSI. It's so long running. Everybody ends on, it
(04:21):
ends up on it at some point, so I think
that's kind of the US equivalent for it. And then
William Zappa is Cedric Blumenthal. He's not German okay, though
he does very good German accent. He was born and
went to university in England, but has worked in Australia
for nearly fifty years. Wow. Yeah, it was filmed in Australia,
(04:45):
which makes absolutely perfect sense, the Kimberly region in northwestern Australia.
They spent like three months out there filming. The town
was not quite as small as it seems, but Ben
Feldman did say it's still felt very remote.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Very remote thoughts.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh yes, I had a few, okay ton because they're
kind of short episodes. Well they are short, yeah, yes,
and which is why it's just easy to like, you
just keep you just let it play, which is what
I did.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So at the very beginning, Hugo is running from the
lights in the sky and I'm like, humans are so funny.
We think we can outrun anything, and we almost always try.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh we do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I mean tigers who can run fifty miles an.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Hour, Sure, sir, We're still run Aliens.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Who have traversed the galaxy with technology we can't fathom
without a doubt, I can I can outrun them.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Oh for sure, I can get away.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I get what else are you
supposed to do? I mean, But at the same time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It is it is an interesting thing because we have
evolved to run, but it's not always the best choice.
Like okay, for instance, Okay, they have to teach people
like if if you're stuck on a train track or something,
uh huh, don't run away from the train, right, you
should run, you know, forty five degree angle toward the
(06:23):
train and away. Yeah, always because if your if your
car is hit, yeah, it will you know, propel it
down the tracks. You can't out run a train. You
need to move sideways.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, you need to move in the way that the
train's not kind of run the car into you as
you're running a right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So you can run perpendicular, but then the car could
go sideways. So that's why they say run toward and
then and then veer away because that is where the
car is least likely to harmd up right, Or if
you're if some if a car is coming towards you
on a street, don't run away from the car run
sideways to get out of the way, but we instead
(07:04):
tried to outrun it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Huh because him funny.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, our instincts are not the first thing that is
always great.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We're weird.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We're weird.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So the cop wants Andy to breathe into her face.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
After she pulls him over. I left so hard about
that too, and I'm like, have we found a global
rarity and underfunded police department? Because this is absolutely like
the poor man's breathalyzer.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's so funny. And his face what like what he
because he does the what thing what thing very well,
you know, and he's like like a like a breath
like a breathalyzer. And I am like in tears, I thought,
because her face is so she I mean, it was
like it was like an snl skit, except nobody wrote characters.
(07:56):
So it's really great. Yeah, fun it was, although I
do delight when they ring characters.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah. Oh that's my favorite part of it, that l
is when they break character. It makes me so hellpy.
Does so the remaining townspeople really aren't very worried about Hugo.
He's probably gone bush And I'm like bitch, you get
there are twelve people? How much more world do you
need to get you? Right?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like relativity is at all?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, I guess one of the townspeople ask Andy
if he's FBI. Yeah, okay, which would lead me to
two things. First of all, Australia doesn't have an FBI.
They have the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, the Australian Federal Police,
and the Australian Secret Intelligence Surface okay service, but no FBI, right,
(08:52):
which leads me to realize American culture is incredibly pervasive.
Yeah right, Like I had to look up those Australian
agency I didn't know what they were.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I would be yeah no, but he was.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like, are u FBI like out of the bat in
his town with a population of twelve?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It's true though, I mean, we are pervasive that like
American culture is like Heila Cells, right, yep. And there's
no chance that the Bitchy Good hotel is worth eighty
dollars a night, absolutely not, absolutely not, not not a chance.
(09:40):
And then Andy gets bit by a snake while putting
up flyers. Oh yeah, and I'm like, doesn't he know
that everything in Australia is trying to carry everything.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It is scary. I have to be careful though, because
you know these.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Right, dude, Yeah, oh yeah, you got to be careful
because there's real, you large things with eight legs.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I got caught recently.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I believe you. I did.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I got caught recently because it was like, you know,
talking about how this is Australia, and like you know,
it starts with the koala in the room and then
the kangaroo down the street, and then this guy is
like trying to like get something out, like you know,
from underneath a dresser and like kind of like playing
like with a string, and I'm thinking, what kind of
(10:28):
marsupial is about to come out?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It was fuzzy and it was large, uh huh, and
it was not a mammal.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I saw the first little leg and I was like,
and I dropped my phone.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Oh I don't have any resources for you today, because
I mean, if you're abandoned by your alien curious steadbeat dad,
quota therapy. If you're gonna go look for the deadbeat
dad in the Australian outback, maybe take a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Don't go alone, don't calone.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So my sources for you today are go to therapy
and make friends.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I love it. You know what, I think everybody needs
that resource. I think that's a universal suggestion. Go. So
here's how it works. Christie wrecks her search history. Hey
an essay. We promise it's nothing more nefarious than a
(11:33):
podcast to find out what's true some of the psychological
motivations behind the character's actions and real life applications that
relate to our topic. I have no idea what Christy
decided to look up could be the same thing that
captured my curiosity or something I never thought of.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Is it true?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I wish?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, you're not gonna believe this. Okay, this is actually
based on a true story.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like, Okay, I do understand that I watched the entire thing, right,
so I can understand how it's based on a true story.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. So back in twenty seventeen, Okay, there was a
little Northern Territory town in Australia called Laramiah. Okay, Whoopsie, Daisy,
I made a little mistake there. It's not Lara Mayah,
it's Larima. I knew that Jackie didn't, so she couldn't
correct me. But once I said it wrong. I said
(12:29):
it wrong the entire time, So I apologize. It's not
rhymes with Jeremiah Larimiah. It's Larima. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And Laramiyah. Yeah, I thought my head heard where Amiyah.
I'm got appropriate Larimiah. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yes, And a man named Patty Moriarty went missing and
they had a population of twelve are you kidding? That
was reduced to eleven. And there was like little feuds
between people and they were they all had beef, and
(13:12):
there was a crocodile named Sam and a pie shop owner. Yeah.
So after this man went missing, a couple of people
made a podcast about it called Lost in Laramiah, and
then they wrote a book about it and it got optioned.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, And so it's been made into a documentary, Last
Stop in Laramiah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay, that's was made by HBO.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Population eleven is the first fictionalized version of the story.
And it's like it's not the same story. It doesn't
use the same names, it doesn't have a lot of
the same players. It's but it's based on it. Like
they were like, this is a good idea for a show, like.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This is funny. Yeah, and nobody's laughing.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
We can make this funny, right. Yeah. Unfortunately, Patty is
believed to be dead. They believe he died the night
he went missing. Oh, however, nobody's been charged. They do
believe it's murder, but nobody's been charged for it. And
(14:23):
Phil Lloyd, who created the show, said, there is a
one really fundamental difference between Population eleven and the story
of Patty Moriarty Lost in Lhereamiah, in that Population eleven
has an end, yes, and Lost in Lheremiah does that
we do not know for sure what happened to Patty Moriarty.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So UFOs aren't UFOs anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
No, now they're UAPs.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
UAPs.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So it used to be UAPs were unidentified aerial phenomena,
but in December of twenty twenty two they changed it
to unidentified anomalous phenomena because some of the things they.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Were seeing weren't just flying.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They were in the water or in space, and so
they're like, well, we can't call it aerieal if it's
not in the air all the time. Some of them
spent time in the air but also went other places, right,
And it's basically like an unidentified flying object. Right, it's
(15:37):
basically the same thing it is, right, Like, it's just
we don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's an expanded definition, sure, right, to cover more of
the phenomena that seems to be similar. Right, But we
don't want to have like, oh, but that's an unidentified
flying object and not an unidentified.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah aquatic object, Like, we don't want to do that. No, no,
we just we want something that encompasses it all.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And basically, I don't know why that's so funny, but
that is so funny an unidentified aquatic objects.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That tickles me, which I mean you know that could
you could use that to describe lockness, well, you could
a lockness monster. It's a UAP. Oh my god, okay,
uh sorry, I really is just like knock your up,
(16:35):
of course, it's so funny though, Okay, So it's basically
just anything that can't be denied. Though UAPs are more
specific in that it's not just your standing on the
ground and you don't know what that thing is up
in the sky, right, It's that pilots can't use their
(16:56):
instruments to identify what something is. Right now, most of
the time, with a little further investigation. They're able to
figure it out without much problem.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Occasionally they're a little different. So we had a hole
in the US, a congressional Oh yes thing where they
talked about how there were some oval and spherical objects
that were traveling at high speeds which didn't have an
(17:31):
apparent means of propulsion and seemed to not be behaving
under the laws of physics as we understand them. It's
difficult to know if those were something terrestrial that we
just don't know about yet, or extraterrestrial that we also
don't know about yet, or if they were a malfunctioning
(17:53):
of the sensors in some way. There's a lot of theories.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
There's a lot of theories.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm not going to weigh in on any of them
because I really don't have a lot of opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, it was fascinating. It was fascinating, But I mean,
I don't disbelieve no, that they saw what they saw.
But I also understand that light can play tricks on you,
and like sometimes things look different.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, sometimes things are it's an illusion, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And so.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And just because we don't yeah, yeah, but it is
it is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I think what was fascinating about those hearings wasn't the description.
What was fascinating to me was a certainty that they
had about what it was like they have opinions, like
these pilots had opinions, like certain certain individuals tasked with
projects like purported to not just have opinions but have
(18:55):
evidence based.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right in fact, sure, which is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't know if that means that there's aliens.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I mean it makes me want to run for Congress
just so I can find out some things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right, Like I just want to read the secret documents.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't just I just do. I just want to know.
I just want to know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's fair. I mean, it's not. Wouldn't be the worst
reason somebody ran for Congress.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It correct, It might be benevolence compared to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Uh huh, yeah, lots of other stuff. So the Air
Force coined the phrase UFO in nineteen fifty two directly
in response to the apparent downing of something in Roswell
in nineteen forty. So that right, and it really kind
(19:48):
of became this cultural phenomenon, which is why they changed
it to UAP because UFO made you sound like a lunatic.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, it also yes the connotation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yes yes, because it had really latched its claws into
popular culture. It then made the pilots unbelievable and they
said I saw a UFO and they were like, okay, okay,
what did you smoke? Right, because you shouldn't be flying
under the influence of anything. So Unidentified aerial Phenomena was
(20:27):
first used in the press in nineteen eighty seven, but
UAP didn't take hold like widely until twenty twenty. That
was mainly because the pilots were saying, we can't come
forward and talk about this stuff because we sound ridiculous
and unbelievable if we say, way, you saw UFO.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Which is hard because it makes the pilots less likely
to actually file the reports right, which you need to
write because it just because it's aerial phenomena we're not
aware of, you know, immediately, doesn't mean that we shouldn't
be aware of it. It doesn't mean aliens. Often it
means this is what we do. We it's counterintelligence, right,
(21:12):
it's an intelligence and it's like we have to have
these reports. We have to know what's happening, right, and
so we need them to file it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
We need to know what's happening, whether it's an adversarial
government or just benign in some way, or if it
is aliens. Really we want it. We need to know all.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Those all those things. Yes, so file the reports.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So Hugo is running amidst some rocks in the very beginning,
except they're not rocks.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Oh oh oh yeah, you know what they are? Oh god,
oh my god. The termites. Yeah, that was so weird.
I did not know that. And then I was like
what they said it in the show?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Later and I was like what what what?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Uh huh? Yeah, they're termite mountains and so termites will
build mounds above ground in Africa, South America and Australia.
Yeah that's wild, uh huh. Which is wild. And it
makes sense that it would be unsettling to you because
we don't see that here. Yeah, so where we are,
(22:17):
they're not a thing. I mean you might see tall
ant mounds, yeah, but not but not like four foot tall, not.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Four foot tall, not like giant like ruins. No, it
looks like ruins.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well, I mean, yes, there's magnetic or compass termites, which
is probably what those were and they are endemic. They
only live in Australia, okay. And they are called that
because they have a wedge shaped mound that runs a
north south access and they can be very spread apart,
(22:52):
or they can be grouped together in a graveyard like manner.
That's that's what we saw, and that's what we saw.
So I was like, wow, okay, that seems like a
scary place to be trying to run from something.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh yeah, I know I would run straight into it.
Huh yeah, no no.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And then a bit by termites.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They bite. That's wild to me too, Like they'll bite
you if you stick your finger in it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, no, the termites bite. That's weird. I mean, like
our nuisance with termites is just a very different experience.
They try to eat our homes.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right exactly. And I guess termites and Australia and Africa
and South America are different. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What do they eat? It's not wood?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I don't know. That is an excellent question. They gather
grass and other plant material to basically make themselves hay
inside their little mounts they make They make hay while
the sunshines wild.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, that's it. Wow, okay, rabbit holes goalore, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Can you rent a car from king a Car like
Andy didn't?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I don't think so, but I think there's probably something
pretty close they made fun of.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Okay, well they actually were making fun of something that
is now defunct. Okay, think I think so. There was
a king of Car and moped higher is what it
was called.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
They are no longer operating, Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So the from what I can gather reading about it
a little bit, the appeal of Kanka Car was that
they would rent vehicles with a like deposit paid to
individuals under twenty one years old. So if you were
between eighteen and twenty one and you needed to rent
(24:49):
a car in Australia, it's very difficult to do. Most
people won't rent. In the United States, you can have
a hard time renting a car if here under twenty five.
Yeah right, so like sometimes if you're married you can
get around that, but it can be really difficult, so
if you're trying to travel as a young person and
can be challenging. So that was kind of the appeal
(25:11):
of Kanga Car. Now they would require this deposit and
it was often not returned, so that was the chief complaint, smug, corrupt,
rip off, avoid at all costs. These are all the
reviews that I'm reading. So they would not return the
deposit that they were supposed to return and just like
(25:35):
ignore you. Or they would say there was damage to
the vehicle that you didn't notice and then refuse to
provide like receipts for repairs, or they would say, oh,
it took us three months to get the repairs done,
so we had to that car was out of service,
even though it was like a scratch. It wasn't like
(25:56):
damage that prevented you from driving the car. You'd have
noticed that. And they say, oh, that used up the
rest of your deposit because we had to take that
car to service, so we charged you for that. So
it was real shady.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah that sounds.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And also they were like if you live in a
different state in Australia than the one where they were
located in, then there was a big problem. If you
came from out of the country, it's a big problem.
So I'm like, this is why uber.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah it was a scam.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, it was a scamp.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Maybe they were mummy laundering.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh all right, So the bartender arrives recklessly back to
the pub in a race car with young veterans on
the side. Is this a real organization in Australia.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm trying to remember the scene.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So she almost hits Andy. She goes into the pub,
sees at the very beginning, sees the flyer with his
dad advertising the UFO tours. There's nobody there, right, and
she drives in it almost right, Okay, Okay, she's in
her in the stock car.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'm gonna go to know Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It actually is an organization founded in twenty twelve, and
it was because they were having a hard time with
young veterans who'd come back from you know, deployments or whatever.
They're having a hard time reintegrating into their area. But
they also didn't want to talk about their experiences. They
(27:32):
didn't want to like spend time and compare their experiences
with the older generation. So they formed the Young Veterans
Organization that tried to help them with activities and social
events okay, rather and re engaging with the community, rather
than marinating in their you know, trauma. Right, And so
(27:58):
they do all kinds of things, camping, fishing, yoga, bowling,
rock climbing, all kinds of stuff, and off road racing
teams is one.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Of the things I thought that.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Was kind of fun neat organization. Also, like good, are
the bush or gone bush terms that are used in Australia.
I think, yes, yes, it is English vernacular, vernacular of Australia,
New Zealand and South Africa. So and it's basically so
(28:32):
we really think of it as Australian, right when you
hear somebody talk about the bush.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I actually I think it may have just been from
a movie, but I think of Africa first. Oh really,
Oh okay, yeah, okay, there's an old movie it's called
the Bushman anyway. But yeah, I've heard this term in
multiple in those places, but not from actual people, just
in media.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, yeah, like dis yeah, yes, exactly to date myself.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, those movies.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's not a knife, this is a knife. So good.
It is pretty iconically Australia though, but it basically it
doesn't refer to a particular kind of vegetation. It just
means a sparsely inhabited region. And gone bush or go
(29:29):
to bush is a term that is actually used in
Australia to revert to a feral nature, which I thought
was very funny. But it basically means to like, go
live rough, go camping, basically disappear, Yeah, disappear for a
little while, Ye lose your mind. Speaking of disappearing, the
(29:53):
people in the pub mentioned that things can go wrong
when you've gone bush. Yeah. One of those was being
a serial killer. Has there been a Bush serial killer?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean, I want to say yes, uh huh, it's
probably I'm gonna guess that it's somewhat adjacent to what
I'm thinking of as like a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Sure, but yeah, okay, so probably Okay. Australia, to be fair,
and most countries, to be fair, do not have a
serial killer problem like the United States does. Yeah, we're
a little unique in the prolificness of such a grim situation.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yes, because you could come here and achieve anything you
would want to.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Be, including being a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There was the backpacker murders that.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Happened between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety three, and
it was in New South Wales, Australia, and they were
committed by Ivan Milak and so to back up in
the like, before the mid nineties, hitchhiking in Australia was
(31:11):
not exactly safe, but it was kind of thought to
be adventuresome and economical and a way to travel. And
then some people started going missing, so they started traveling
in pairs. And some of the people who went missing
were these backpackers, these who ended up murdered, and they
(31:33):
were found out in the bush like their bodies were
found out in the bush and the sky. I'van a
Lot was convicted of seven murders. I believe he.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It wasn't a Jason, That's exactly what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, And he did die in prison in twenty nineteen
and maintained his innocence of them, but they believe he was.
Uh were responsible for far more murders than just the
seven that they know about, so not out of the
(32:07):
realm of possibility. And certainly if you know you were
to go missing in the Australian Outback and you were murdered,
they might not be a thing, you know, So there
could be still more, but hopefully not. But if you
want to read about those, I'll have those on our
(32:28):
social media. So Audrey owns the Pie Bakery Chinese fusion restaurant,
which is so weird but funny. She offers camel hoof pie.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Can you even eat a camel hook I don't. I mean,
you can ground anything off, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
But it was. It's actually like really on point for
a Chinese fusion restaurant because they are a Northern Chinese
delicate see camel hoofs. But it's not like the whole yet.
Basically there's like one little piece of meat you get
from each camel hoof. Okay, it's weird, I'm not gonna lie.
(33:13):
But Kai has a travel blog and he wrote about
eating a camel hoof in northern China, okay, and he
said he felt a little bad about it, but he
said that it's also an authentic local dash. Camels are
not an endangered species, and the locals use the rest
(33:35):
of the animal in other ways, so he was not
too worried about it. But it's just one little, teeny
tiny piece, so it's weird but also makes sense. And
then when you watch later in the show, you realize,
you know, she didn't, yeah, that she definitely didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Just use that part of the camel. Definitely not right.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So Nol, the owner of the General could store, Yeah,
used to have a zoo in Bidgie Good, which seems
like overkill for a population of twelve whatever, and it
included at one time a d venom snake who was
now roaming. I guess, can you devenom a snake?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh? Man, Yes, I think you can. Uh huh, I
think you can.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yes, yeah you can. But should you? Uh no?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, I feel like that's not I don't know. I mean,
if it's a pet, I guess. But if he has
other disabilities and he can't live in the wild, then
he needs to live with a person, then yes, we
need to, you know, like a skunk. Like if a
skunk had had a bad foot and couldn't hunt and
couldn't take care of itself and needed to live somewhere cush,
(34:55):
you know, in order to live. I'm absolutely going to
de skunk the skull. Sure, fair, right, then I'm gonna
have a cute fluffy friend.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yes, So I think you can, but I don't think
you typically would.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay. So, venom Oid surgery is a thing. I know
it's got a ridiculous name, but it's basically where they
remove the glands that produce the venom or sever them
from being able to export the venom. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
(35:33):
And it's been done in the past for snakes that are,
you know, in public demonstrations or as pets. Unfortunately, it
is not uncommon even if you remove the glands that
produce the venom, it's not uncommon for them to grow back,
(35:56):
and if you just sever it, things grow back to Yeah,
so you supposedly safe. Snakes who've had the venomoid surgery
have killed mice and in veninated humans.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
It's not a perfect, perfect thing.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's certainly not a perfect thing, and it's in many
places considered animal cruelty because it's very difficult to anesthetize
a snake enough that you know that they're not in
pain right and removing the fangs entirely would kill the snake.
(36:36):
So you can't remove the fangs. You only can remove
the venom sacs, and then they may grow back, so
they're not necessarily safe. But that would have been less
funny in the show. But Australia in specifically in nineteen
eighty six had a Prevention for Cruelty to Animals bill passed,
(36:56):
and the State of Victoria into thousand and seven actually
amended that nineteen eighty six ruling to ban the removal
of venom glands from snakes unless it was done for
a therapeutic reason by a veterinarian because they had a
(37:16):
bunch of people who were like just doing it at home.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
What what?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, because they didn't want their snakes to be able
to kill them, so they didn't. I'm like, yeah, no,
say exactly. It's cruelty to animals. It is, so, yeah,
Ken probably should not. Yeah. Yeah. And then Hugo recorded
a video on a VHS tape and he claims to
(37:43):
have been abducted by the as Yarn species from Kepler
sixteen oh six B. Is there any truth to any
of it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
No, No, I mean this is a no, okay, this
is not true. It's just conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Sure, yeah, yeah. But my guess is, of course we
have no way of knowing if there is an as
Yarn species from anywhere. No.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
In fact, I was trying to search my mind to
see is that from a book? Is that from a book?
Is that from a book? But you know, I couldn't
think of anything.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Not that I could find. But Kepler sixteen oh six
B is a super Earth exoplanet discovered in twenty sixteen.
It is twenty eight hundred and seventy light years from Earth. Yeah,
fairly far. But it has a year of just under
two hundred days and it's nearly five earths. Big. Yeah,
(38:42):
so cool.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's a cool place, like I know about Kepler, Okay,
like and so yeah yeah, if we ever need you escape,
that would be a great place to get to if
we could get to it. But we can't get to
it yet.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, just three thousand years away if we can travel
at the speed of light.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Of light yeah, so yeah, not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
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You might learn a little something too. Psychology break all right,
So while Andy is talking with the German transplant Cedric,
we come to realize that no one's from Bidjie good. Yeah,
(39:46):
that it's the place that people run away to, right,
So I thought we'd look at the psychology of place
a little bit like that. Bella. Depollo, PhD wrote a
r call The Place of Place in Our Lives for
Psychology Today, and she's kind of looking at it from
(40:06):
a business perspective. How very often single people are thought, well,
you can just pick up and move. You don't have
other people you have to be concerned about, because you
don't have a spouse or family who also have to
uproot their lives, meaning you can just get up and go.
And of course that's really not true at all, and
(40:30):
that often employers who are asking people to do this
overlook the power of place in people's lives. Environmental psychologists
really recognize the importance of space and that there are
certain environments that are really far more restorative than others.
(40:54):
And if you're used to a city space, going to
a more rural space like you know, lakes by the
water or the mountains or whatever, could be more restorative
because it's different than what you've been accustomed to. But
(41:15):
we do have a lot of attachment to our space
as well, and that architects and urban planners, particularly in
the wake of pandemic, have really started to look at
ways that architecture can help people not only feel safe,
(41:35):
but also build community and social interaction in ways that
are appropriate and safe.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I have I have a lot of passion for this subject.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, I feel like one of my other my other lives.
Do you know, things like I could have done that,
oh my gosh in an alternate university. Yeah, like the
psychology of architecture, right, like and the and the Yes.
I have a big passion about it, which is a
lot of people feel like maybe it's bougie, okay, right,
(42:05):
And I don't think it's about being bougie. I think
it's about serving people to the best, like and helping
people be the best. Sure, but it comes across bougie
because what you're really saying is you like pretty spaces.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right yeah, but pretty spaces have like an actual function, yeah, right,
Like they're if you look at the large windows. I'm
thinking of a hospital that I've spent too much time
and not for myself but for other people. And you know,
they have areas with large windows, and do they really
(42:40):
need those large windows? Is it really economical to have
those large windows? Well, when you look at it that way,
you know, but being able to see out to some
green space makes a big difference. In how you feel
when you're sitting in that waiting room.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yep, it's very very important.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's interesting. So traveling may make us want to move, Unfortunately,
studies show that it actually won't probably make us happier.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
That is, yees, partly right, the green grass is greener,
uh huh. Phenomenon right, right, partly because you go and
you have this lens, and so the things that you
see you may not be seeing as clearly. Right, you're
just not seeing it as clearly. It's not you're not
it's not even thinking. It's just better. You don't really
see what's happening for real, right, yes, And gosh, no
(43:37):
amount of telling somebody that what you're saying about this
space is not true.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Uh huh No, So.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
A lot of just you just have to find out
for yourself then.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Uh huh. Or you can read the study in or
you can try and try and try and recognize.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
So Quartz had an article by Melody Warnick, and she
confesses that every time she goes on vacation somewhere, she
like thinks about what it would be like to move there.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, I mean literally last summer we were on vacation
and I'm like, I want to move here.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yes, of course that was home for me. I want
to move home.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yes, So you actually have experience with it.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah that was so that was a little different. But
I do do this everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Like, yes, me too. Every time I go on vacation somewhere,
I'm like, yes, what does real estate cost here? And
usually that fixes me. But we think that we're going
to be happier somewhere else, Like we feel like wherever
we are now, we already know what the story is,
we know how it's gonna end. And if you live
(44:45):
in a particular place, you learn its weaknesses and you
tend to see those. So you go to a new
place and she calls it a geographic version of a crush,
Like that's so so true, so valid. And we think
that we're going to go there and we're going to
like we're going to get this great new job and
(45:07):
we're going to find it significant other if we don't
already have one, and we're going to self actualize. And
it can change your life. And there are some socioeconomic
factors that can actually be better for you marginally. So
if the cost of living is lower, the weather is better,
(45:28):
you whatever. But when you move, you give up all
of your social capital, all of the connections that you've made.
This can be difficult for adults. It's particularly challenging for adolescents.
It's really you're not really probably going to be happier,
and moving is really really stressful.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It can be. Yeah, it can be very stressful. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So what she suggests, and I really appreciate this is
what made you love your vacation spots so much?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
And then you know, take that home and see if
you can.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Right, did you go spend a lot of time outdoors?
Maybe you need to spend more time outdoors. Go camping,
go fishing, go do whatever whatever it was that you
did on vacation that made you feel so great, go
and do that. If you aid at all the restaurants
and were like planning your day around the restaurants, maybe
find new restaurants in your own hometown. Whatever it is
(46:28):
that made you feel great about that location that you
were either on vacation or visiting family or there for work.
Whatever it is, whatever you did there that made you
feel so good, try doing that at home and see
if that doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Litlet's see. No, yep, And if you are going to move,
just take time, take a beat. Yeah, take a beat,
think about it. See if you like it's still visit
more often, yeah, right, go back a couple of times,
a few times at least, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes you don't have a choice
to where or when you move, but yeah, a lot.
But for the most people, if you're not in the military,
you have a little more choice. Usually occasionally people have
another job outside of that. That'll that's actually become.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So much more common now, people moving for work, right,
And so it's actually become a problem in that we
don't have community because people are moving and they're so
transient that they don't build a community. They're not connected
to their families, and they're less motivated. This is some
some readings. You know, they're showing some less motivation to
(47:42):
stick through conflict with family because they don't have to
actually live with them. And so it's kind of like
the idea of yes, you want to be free, but
that also can make you not set down the roots
you need, right, So.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, yeah, and the familiar places are really comforting. This
was by Sally Auguston, a practicing environmental psychologists who wrote
an article for psychology today the power of self managed
familiar places, So particularly when the world at large is unpredictable,
(48:23):
it can be very helpful to have a place where
you live where you can control the temperature and when
you open and close the blinds and how set up
your nest. Right, Like, this is why it's nice for
kids to have their own room, because they can go
and like if they want to be messy, they can
(48:43):
be messy, if they want to like live under a
pile of blankets or close their blinds in the middle
of the day or whatever, it can be really good
for them. And that predictable things in your space can
really help when the world outside it is unpredictable. Just
that they that the power of that is I can't
(49:06):
really be overstated. Yeah, yeah, And if you have something
negative happen in a space, you may just like want
to move, and that's that's valid and positive sometimes. But
you can also if that's a particularly if it's a
financial strain on you, you can try redecorating a little bit,
(49:27):
because it's cheaper to redecorate than to move move the
furniture around, or take stuff off the walls or paint
or whatever it is that you need to do to
like make that space comfortable in a different way that
can really help. No, those hit home, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Everything I struggle with today. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
get it. Those are all my existential crisis right there,
I understand.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yep, real life alien tours there things. Oh I'm sure
you have.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
We heard of area fifty one.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
So predictably, Roswell, New Mexico is a hotbed for these.
Now they definitely go back to the summer of nineteen
forty seven when the thing fell down, and now this
particular tour forty seven to fifty, a person is basically, yes,
(50:29):
is basically going and visiting the places that are in
the history of this. Okay, they do not guarantee that
you will have an alien encounter or that you will
see a UFO Okay, your forty seven fifty doesn't provide
you with that. Okay, so you may unlikely stability. Predictably, Sedona, Arizona,
(50:55):
also a desert area, is a hotbed for UFO tours,
so they use night vision goggles take you out. Sedona
is what they call a dark sky city. There aren't
as many lights in the city at night, so viewing
stars and the Heavens is much better, Yes, much better.
(51:20):
It's ninety dollars a person, and they guarantee a UFO
sighting or your money back.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Now, remember a UFO is just an unidentified flat.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
So basically you're going to actually see meteorites and see things.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You're just not going to know what they are. You
may see starlink or something right, yes, exactly, and you
don't know what it is, and they're not going to
tell you because they want to keep your ninety dollars person. Yes,
a little more surprising for UFO tour Oka Hawaii, Oh interesting,
the Big Island of Hawaii. Doctor Lisa Thompson. I looked
(51:59):
her up. She has a PhD in organismal biology and
anatomy from the University of Chicago and was a professor
of biology there for a while.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Okay, now, she.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Takes people out to a remote place in Hawaiian Okay,
and gives you the night vision goggles so that you
can look around. And her lower tier tour is the
Intro UFO Tour, and for an hour and a half
(52:33):
she'll take you out and have you look at the
Hawaiian sky and she'll help you identify some of the
things that you see up in the sky, like satellites
and stuff. She's got special software so she can know
where the satellites are and help you identify those things
so that you're not confused as to what's a alien
(52:54):
alien or UFO and what's actually just something that can
be identified. And that's one hundred and twenty five dollars
a person. The expanded tour adds another hour and a
half for two hundred and twenty five dollars a person,
and Doctor Lisa guides you through a meditative journey to
help you meet your galactic guides, to raise your vibration
(53:20):
to call in spacecraft. Okay, she does not guarantee that
you will see a UFO, but they say they have
a very high success rate, and you do need your
own vehicle for that one.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
If you can't make it to Roswell or Sedona or Hawaii,
if you live in maybe New England or Eastern Canada,
Pine Bush, New York has a very high UFO incident
and they have a UFO and paranormal museum in Pine Bush.
(54:07):
You can get general mission or a guided tour and
it's a little more affordable and uh yeah, so if
you live in that area. But how about Australia, So
population eleven knew what they were doing by setting the
scene in the Northern Territory of Australia because that's where
Weeacliffe well is. So it's supposedly the fifth best place
(54:33):
in the world to have UFO signing. Interesting, Uh huh right,
it's a consistent sightings of extraterrestrial activity. Okay, it's very
flat and desert, so seeing airborne movement is very easy there. Yeah,
(54:55):
because it's out in the dark, it's far from civilization
and it's very flat. You're gonna see movement. You're not
gonna know what's what's moving out there. Probably they're also
and the only accommodation is the caravan park and they
have like aliens and stuff like there. They just like
(55:19):
really lean into it. One of the most well known
encounters in Weacliffe is that there was an enormous craft
over a toilet block one hundred meters above the ground.
I had to look up what a toilet? Yeah, So basically,
(55:40):
if you go to a park with your kids, you
know they have the the restrooms made out of cinder block.
That would be a toilet block. It could also refer
to like the rental like the porta potties, but like
the ones that are bigger, you know, where it's got
several stall so you can wash your hands, and maybe
(56:02):
it has a shower or something like that. That would
also be a toilet block. Okay, but I think this
is more like the like, yeah, like a park, like
a permanent thing. Yes, And I don't understand why aliens
are so enamored with our elimination needs, because it seems
like all the stories you hear about have something to
do with that.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Okay, large object toilet block. Yeah, that's that's interesting though.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
So the pub and BITCHI Good huh served as a
bar foremost trade, but also as a church.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yes, yes, yes, there was a curtain for a little
a little confessional.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yes. And it seems like they hold their church services there.
This isn't a new idea. A pastor named Brian Berghalf
wrote a book called Pub Theology in twenty twelve, and
places like Port and Fort Worth, Michigan, Washington, d C.
Boston have found that holding church or something like it
(57:11):
in a pub can be a welcoming experience for people.
It isn't because they want to use the beer or
other alcohol to induce mystical or a static feelings. It's
(57:31):
more just about being a welcome place where people who
might not feel comfortable going into a more traditional church
might find it easier to walk into a bar. Now, however,
these pub churches often are not as strict. They might
not even be wanting to convert people. They are like
(57:53):
using their religion to say, let's build community. You don't
have to fall our way, come in and talk, let's
just have some time together. And they tend to be
a lot more inclusive and less concerned with the idea
of converting somebody than they are. They tend to be
less evangelical.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
See, and my experience is they are one hundred percent evangelical.
Oh really, None of these churches they plant themselves in
a pub are doing so because they want to stay
in that pub.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
They are doing it as a very intentional marketing to
get to the like you said, because people feel more
comfortable there. We have to go where the people are right,
so that what they're doing is they're going In my experience,
because I've been around this the whole pub sing and
sings like the pub churches. You know, it's just another tactic.
(58:50):
It's very intentional, okay, very funded to go into these
places and have church there. And then the idea is
because people are more comfortable, they can evangelize more. They
absolutely still have to operate on donations. They are a
five one. See, they're not people just getting together, most
(59:13):
of them. Unfortunately, I have to say, hence.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
The book, right.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
The book is there because it guides ministry professionals on
how to do this. And so they come across and
they say they don't want you to be a part
of it like that, or they're not strict, or they
don't care. They care immediately the second you do want
to join them. And so it's a little bit kind
(59:39):
of like the big megachurches that are all like, we
don't care, you can be you and da da da dada,
and they're acting, but there's actually a doctrine behind that
that's very different. So there's a little bait and switch.
Be aware with pub churches a lot bait and switch.
Ask them who planted them there? Yeah, ask them where
they're funding is coming from.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Good those are good tips because if they're just like
you know what, I just want the community to come
together on a Sunday morning, whether whether what you believe
or maybe that's fine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Maybe if they have if they're connected.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
To Baptist ties, then maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
If they have any for you. If they and here's
another tip, if they have non denominational ties. So if
it's a minister who was like, yeah, I'm actually you know,
I used to be with them and now I'm coming
over here. Like, if it's somebody like who is attached
to or funded or supported by a non denominational that
is typically Baptist, uh huh. The whole non denom movement
(01:00:37):
was funded by the Southern Baptist Convention.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yep. Hm, well that makes me sad a little bit.
I was like, oh that's nice.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I know it does. Look there they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Scary stories from now back. Okay, So there's a Anne Marie,
a travel blogger who has been traveling around the Million
outback for years, and she shares something I'm going to
share just one of the stories that she shares on
her blog. She got a story from a tour guide
(01:01:12):
who was working in the outback. Now Stuart Highway in
Australia is evidently the longest and straightest highway in the world.
It's so remote you can't use your phone out there.
There's not like cell service and stuff. So they're driving
along in their little bus and they see a man
(01:01:34):
and his dog walking along the side of the road,
which is unusual because it's so remote, right, So they
pull up next to him, and the tour guide is
yells out to him, hey, are you okay, and the
guy just like does not talk to him at all, like,
doesn't acknowledge that the bus is there. So the people
(01:01:57):
on the bus are like, there must be something wrong
with this man. Obviously he's addled by the heat and
maybe he is not not hydrated enough when we should
force him to get on the bus, And the tour
guide is like, I have a bad feeling about this,
and so, much to the consternation of the people on
the bus, he drove away okay. So then he was
(01:02:21):
meeting his friends that evening for dinner, and one of
the friends was late because he worked for law enforcement
and they had been investigating a very brutal, bloody crime
scene in a town nearby, and lo and behold, who
(01:02:42):
was the suspect they were looking for? So the man
they were looking for was a man with a dog,
And of course this guy said, I saw a man
with a dog out on Stewart Highway, and that is
exactly where they found their suspect who had committed these
(01:03:02):
brutal murders. So like, good for the tour guy, yes
that he followed his instincts and didn't try and force
this brutal murderer on the bus.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yes, yeah, good for him for like assessing the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, exactly. And then she has other stories about uh
tour passenger behaving unusually, somebody who is advertising for a
driver to take an alcoholic to the bar, and a
pair who may have been being set up to have
her organs traffic. Oh yeah, interesting and scary and I
(01:03:44):
a lighter note, l note. Australians have some very endearing expressions. Okay,
so you know how it is we all speak English. Yeah,
but you know you end up with when you live
in different communities, you end up with some different expressions
that are you know, we find very fun because they're
(01:04:04):
different than us. So to crack onto somebody is to
kiss someone or try and pick them up in a bar. Okay,
having a winge this is one of my favorites. It's complaining.
Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
And then a palm is a derogatory word for a
British person. They might call them a winging palm, a
complaining British person like I like winge and fussed fussed, Yeah,
I'm not fussed about that, or they're very fussed about something.
(01:04:43):
That's one of my favorites. It's chalkers in here, it's crowded,
like it's chock full. Yeah, okay, but they just shortened
it to chalkers, which is adorable. Crack open a tinney. Oh,
it's open a can of beer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Okay, thought I was thinking that, but h.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And then another favorite of mine, brecky breakfast breakfast. Okay,
check on some trackie decks to put on a tracksuit pants.
Oh okay, check on some tracky decks. It's just adorable. Uh.
To be pissed isn't to be annoyed, but rather to
(01:05:24):
be drunk.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah. And then, as I've always called it, thongs, which
are flip flops. Oh yes, the Nazi. Yes, before they
were ever underwear or swimwear, thongs were flip flops. Yes, sandals,
(01:05:45):
a speedo is a budgy smuggler because budgies are a
little bird.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah that's funny. That's so funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, So next time I'm some pulpy, mysterious fun from
Harlan Coben. Yes, missing, you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Gotta do it. We gotta hit them all.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
That's right, because why not. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
They are.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
They're good, they're good, they're digestible. That's right, exactly. Thank
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