March 13, 2025 • 67 mins
Maple syrup, a corrupt Association, and a message in tree form - what more could we ask of The Sticky? This fictionalization of a REAL maple syrup heist in Canada sprints along and we are delighted to watch this spectacular cast.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome back to Killer Phone Worries for the intersection of
crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christie and today
today we are talking about the Sticky maple syrup heist.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's the weirdest thing. I mean, it's so funny. When
I first read that, I was like, what, I mustn't
misread a maple syrup heist? Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Mean, and it's such a fun amalgamation of true and
not true. It's great. I mean it's so fun. But
I mean, you really, when you treat people unfairly, they're
predictably going to lash out. And I love the way
they have had these characters lash out. Yes, it's really great.
So let's talk about the cast. Margot Martindale is Ruth
(00:57):
Landry and I just I love her.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I love her so much so. Her character is Ruth,
the owner of a maple syrup farm whose husband Martin,
is in a coma, which is key.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah. Lots of thoughts there, Yes, I mean, she's been
in tons of stuff. The things that I'm going to
talk about are things that I have seen, like the Watcher,
which we have covered on the show. Cocaine Bear Your
Honor with Brian Cranston and Sneaky Pee. Sneaky I love
Sneaky Peet so much and I can't believe that they
didn't include it in the screen ran article about the
(01:34):
cast and character guy. I'm like, how can you How
can you include Cocaine Bear and not include Sneaky Pet.
That was such a good show, because it's a great show.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was fantastic, so good I think I think I
need to rewatch that one.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Actually, that's fair. Chris Deman Topless is Mike Brian. They
said in this article that his big break is The
Three Stoodents in twenty twelve, which I like, I didn't
even know there was a Three Stooges movie in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Interesting, Yeah, I did not.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But he's been in Arrested Development Community Silicon Valley. He
is one of the voices for Disney's mascot Mickey Mouse.
Oh yeah, which is pretty cool. So it's like twenty
thirteen heis do that's pretty cool. What I recognized him
from was that he was Brian, the camera guy in
the Office.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh whoa, see, I haven't watched Office like you've watched up. Yeah,
so I just never know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I have watched Friend, you and I have watched
Friends in a similar manner. And I have watched The
Office like I have watched Friends.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, and I have watched The Golden Girls.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, like that so exactly. Yep. Oh, and I didn't
say Mike Byrne is related to organized crime in some way.
Oh in the first In the first episode, we don't exactly.
We know that he works with the.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Divaney crime family. Okay, sorry, wait, I got I got
screwed up with a character name and after your name,
and I thought you were stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
No, no, no, the character character. I don't think the
voice of Mickey Mouse is involved in organized crime. That
would be interesting, It would be interesting. Oh my gosh,
I would watch the heck out of a documentary about that, right.
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Game Seer is Remy Bouchard, the loan security guard for
the Maple Syrup Warehouse. This is his most high profile
show yet, so he's done some stuff that was mostly
in French and mostly in Canada, as has the dude
at the association. Leonard is played by Guy Nadan and
(03:56):
he uh, we'll talk more about it in a minute,
but he is most of everything he's done is not
only Canadian, but in French.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, so yeah he didn't. He didn't look familiar to me. No,
not not not guy or right key parts in the show.
So yes, yes, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
We only cover the first episode, yes, occasionally the second episode,
depending but like, how far have you watched now, just
the first two episodes?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Have you looked at the entire cast?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh? Yes, I know that everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No Jamie Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, I know she's in it, which is what my well,
keep my husband watching.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And when I say okay, I know I'm jumping ahead,
but this cast is good. It's good comedy, and it's
got good dark comedy. They held their own around Jamie
Lee art Is and the and and I would say,
like if you, if you had any doubt how good
it was, wait till she hits the screen and and
she does not put them to shame. Oh that's awesome.
(05:12):
But of course she's amazing, right, she gels, she she
puts herself in there, she'll do the thing. But it
didn't look Yeah, she didn't look out of place.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, no, oh good, And.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
They didn't look out of place next to her, which
is the really big thing. Yes, yeah, good, yeah so
they wow?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Perfect? Oh I can't wait. Very exciting. Well, let's recap
this first episode. So Ruth the Maple Syrup farmer and Remy,
the sole security guard at the strategic Reserve of Maple Syrup.
I know, it's so funny. They don't know one another,
but they are two of a kind. Both are being
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taken advantage of by the Quebec Maple Association. Ruth's husband
and technical Lee, the farm operator, is in a coma
and Leonard, who actually runs the association, is using this
to lowball try and buy her farm. Remy, a classmate
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and friend of Leonard's son Leo, who also works for
the association and is the name only leader, would like
to beef up security at the Syrup reserve and has
reasonable and well organized plans to implement this, but Leonard
refuses to acknowledge that the reserve needs more than a
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single guard and b refuses to see Remy as anything
other than an unintelligent scrup. Leonard is everyone's nemesis, is
what I'm saying. Yes, yes, So both Ruth and Remy
separately seek to engage Mike and associate with the Divaney
crime family to help them gain more favorable circumstances. With
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regard to their relationship with Maple Syrup. There were thoughts, oh, yeah,
bring him okay. So the officers are looking for Orval
steaks right at the beginning, right he's an associate of Remy,
and an officer confirms that a barrel is filled with
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maple syrup, My tasting it just before Orville's body floats
to the surface. And it was absolutely so predictable and
still so utterly gross.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It was gross and so funny, and I'm like, the
officers never eating maple syrup begins, and that's going to
be hard for him because he was in Canada.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No the physical the physical comedy there was on point
because his the reaction that he had. I lost it.
It was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was funny. So an agent of them Maple Syrup
Association comes to shut down Ruth's farm and Ruth asks
if Leonard is behind it, and I was like, ooh,
Leonard's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He's gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I realized I would never want to be on
the wrong side of a single character I've ever seen
Margot Martindale play.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, right, yes, I don't want to be.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
On the wrong side of any of them. On the
right side, there's like cookies, yeah, and do anything for you,
And the wrong side is like take you down with fire.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Right. But it's clear that she gives people a long
time really to prove themselves. Uh huh, you know what
I mean, Like she could have taken Leonard down a
long time ago, but she waits until he just crosses
the line before she goes. That's what's scary, is she's patient.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Uh huh. Yes, So I get where Dennie not Dennis,
is coming from when he wants his name pronounced correctly.
But you have to be sure when you're gonna hold
that line, that you're okay with having the reputation as
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an asshole a little bit. Yeah, I mean he was.
He was a little much about it. Oh well, yeah,
he seemed okay with it. It wasn't a problem for Dennie.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, it was fine. I mean, but but the way okay,
it wasn't kindly.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It was because he had something to prove, but only
because he had all of his henchmen behind him, right, Yeah,
he would not have been so bold if he met
Mike alone in the alley.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, he would not be. But also he just kind
of was an asshole. Yeah, we've become not safe for work.
You know that. We usually avoid the terminologies.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, that one won't get us banned in all countries.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, good, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's one of those like gray areas. Yeah, bitch and
boob those are yes, yes, I get those. Those are
becoming more acceptable.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes, bomb, we're not going to say that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're not going to say that one.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Right, not, well not, you're not going to hear us
say it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, if we see it, I'm gonna like edu that out. Yeah,
or just make it quiet. That's what I do. I
just don't make it so you can't hear it. But
you can fill in them. You can fill it in,
dear listener. You're welcome to do that. Yes, So Ruth
belittles Leo by calling him a secretary, and I get
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where she's coming from. She wants to touch to somebody
who can actually make a decision, and she knows that
he is not it. But the whole like belittling somebody
for their job is always sits poorly with me, because like,
if it's a job worth having, it's a job worth
paying somebody to do and respect them for doing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It, right. I think it was personal.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, I had nothing to do with the.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Job, because she watched that kid.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Girl up right well, and she also knew that he
would take offense to that, right because we see somebody
else later in the episode take offense to being just
asked where somebody is. I'm not a secretary, okay, can we.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like, can we like, first of all, respect secretaries, they
keep you all together, Yes, exactly, But like she knows
that this is a Neppo situation and that like he's
just in training to take over someday, and so she's
not happy with him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, she knows he can't really do anything. And Leonard
really is a monster because he can hardly contain his
glee when he realizes he can offer Margo three hundred
thousand dollars for her farm, and you know that has
to be like the low ball of all low balls.
(11:57):
It has to be worth way more. Though I looked
and could not find ohe interesting, Maple syrup farms and
Quebec for sale interesting, So like I couldn't confirm that
they were a maple syrup farm. There were ones that
were farms and maybe maybe not yeah, but like one
of them, I was like, oh, well, this one sounds interesting.
(12:18):
Oh no, it's got like it's a dairy farm basically. Okay, okay,
Well I can't tell for sure if these are yeah,
what they are, it's wild, But three hundred thousand dollars
for any of those would have been.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean really, I just was like, I had so
many thoughts about that. He can shut down her farm
because she's not on the deed, her husband is.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But he's willing to make a contract with her.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yeah, but she can sell it. If she can
sell it, she can run it back off. Now she
takes a different route to prove her point, but you know, totheless. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Remy gets in his car to drive to go get
Leah the presentation, and I was like, dude, there are
too many keys on that key ring.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh it's attached to his bill. That's great. That was
the most security guard lore I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was very funny.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I've seen it do I've stayed it, but never in
the car though.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh Orville comes to the reserve to get a barrel
of Syrup, and now we know why Remy understands the
need for increased security. Yea at the reserve and Orville
has his phone on. I'm like, Remy, Remy, honey, you
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need a smarter partner in crime because he drove up
there with his phone on.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, and he doesn't know how to turn it off. Wait,
we need a better partner in crime, please. Yeah. So
Ruth sends a message in tree form to the association.
You said it tree four.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That was the most.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Badass way I've.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Ever seen anybody do anything.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I don't care that it was improbable that she could
drive and be able to launch a tree into the
front of the Maple Syrup Association.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
She made me believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I was she made me believe it. I was so happy.
I don't care that. I'm like, yes, this is what
I want from my entertainment. Yes, I want this like
level of suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the ride. Yes,
I'm so here for it. It's such a fun scene.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'm loving it. Yeah, it was so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah. All right, So I didn't think I would have resources,
but I found a couple. Okay, okay, it's more like
advice Okay, Okay. So the first resource is that about
ten years ago Northwestern University in a study about people
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in Coomas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh oh interesting, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And so what they did was they had loved ones
come in and record stories. They said, bring in your
photo albums and remember stories from a long time ago
when they were young, and tell this story and we'll
record it. And then four times a day they would
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play them for patients who were in Coomas, Okay. And
what they found was like kind of amazing. As a result,
the koma patients can wake more easily, become more aware
of their environment, and start responding to conversations and directions.
They were able to actively participate in physical, speech and
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occupational therapy, and they recovered much more quickly and more
fully than their counterparts who did not hear these stories
from their life ones. And it was super helpful for
the loved ones because they felt like they were able
to do something. They could think about happy times with
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their loved one. Record this felt like they were doing something.
It was good for the family, it was good for
the patients. If you know somebody in a coma and
you've known them for a long time, go talk to them.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
They can hear you. And we have talked about this before,
but we're going to talk about it every single time
that it comes up. And that is what to say
and what not to say to people who are coping
with a serious illness. Yes, because you cannot say it
too much.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
No, you cannot.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So the Seattle Times had this article. This is back
from twenty eleven. This is kind of evergreen advice a
little bit. Yeah, don't say what can I do to help?
Because it puts a burden on the people who are
struggling with it, whether it's the patient themselves or their family.
Just do a thing, just more mundane. You can do
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thing you can do for them the better, or ask
I would like to come in into your laundry. When
is a good time for that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Like, I can I do it? But when is a
good time? Would you like to leave me a key?
I will go in and do your laundry. Does your
car need an oil change? Give me the key. I
will take it for an oil change. You know, those
sorts of things are much more helpful. My thoughts and
prayers are with you. Oh, I know it's hard. It's
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hard because some people honestly mean it, but for most
people it just comes out as a trite sort of
thing to say.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah. It kind of works a little bit on social
media if somebody has done a public broadcast of their
hardship and they're just reading all of the kind of
like the the comments, which kind of feel like a
sign your yearbook, you know, and you see the thoughts
and the prayers, and you're really just scrolling through to
see that, like they're there and listening, right, but.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
In person a person, yeah, like, I'm so sorry, I'm
going to pray for you, and also I'm going to
send you a gift card so that you can buy
a meal, do something tangible.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Even something small like five dollars Starbucks is a five
dollars gift card. Yes, and I will tell you. You can
send that through your phone in text, yes, you know,
and be like here, go get a cake pop. Yeah,
go get a cake pop. Take a break, you know.
If they're in the middle of something, you know that's
like hard for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Don't ever say everything's going to be okay. Oh god,
you do not know it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
No, you do not.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's not helpful. Don't say how are we today? It
is patronizing. Don't how are you today? How are you
coping today? Again? I would like to help you cope.
Is there a way that's better? Here is a gift card, right,
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anything here is. I have brought you balloons, I have
brought you a book. I've brought you your magaz a
magazine that I know that you love to read, but
never buy for yourself, right exactly. Don't tell a sick
person that they look great. They know they don't look good. Yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, if you're going to say something like that, you
better have something very specific. Like, for instance, when my
dad was really really ill for a while there and
coming out of it, there were some days where you
could see the color back and it was like, you
look good because I could see your color, so I
see progress. It's a very specific, like you've made an achievement.
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I see the milestone, or you know, like you look
good because you're tired because you did all that stuff today.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, you go, your eyes are so bright. I haven't
seen him that way in a long time. I'm so
happy to see it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Something very specific, But don't tell them they look hot
or good or you know, none of.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That none of that things you should say, don't write
me back. Oh right, thank you, because it's just one
more thing to do. If you expect to thank you
note from somebody who's in the hospital, you were doing
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yes, thank you. I just don't understand that it's not
a wedding gift.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's chicken soup.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I mean seriously.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And also, don't give them anything that they have to return.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No, thank you. Can we add that to the list.
If you bring them a meal, you will get nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Back, and you should expect nothing back. Nothing in fact,
on the note, if it's not obviously a disposable item.
On the note with the cooking instructions, it should say
please keep this, Yes, and if you can also disposable
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plates and flowers.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Very nice. Let's not do dishes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
No, this is always a really good phrase. I should
be going now, So about twenty minutes is what the
experts recommend.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, if you can visit a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Visit, Yeah, you visit, and then you say I should
be going now. Less if they are obviously in pain
or tired. Right leave. We're so glad. I'm so glad
to see you. It was good seeing you. I'm glad
to see some improvement, or I can't wait to be
able to come visit you at home, right, those kinds
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of things. Twenty minutes and get your butt out of there. Yep.
Would you like some gossip? Oh yeah, anything you can
do to change the subject, yes, very fun. Bring some tea, yes,
bring some tea.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, seriously, No, it's true because the hospital speak, the
health speak, is like a black hole. Yes, it's hard
to get out of. And when you get out of
that kind of speech and you start talking about all
the other things, it's like it does it changes your
home motivation all of a sudden. You're not trying to
just get well, You're trying to like, you know, level up.
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Like it's a whole different mindset.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Uh huh right, yes, especially if you're at that point
in a hospital stay where you're feeling better but you're bored.
Uh huh yeah, yeah, bring it, bring it, bring it,
And I love you, I love you. I'm sorry you're
going through this.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's always nice. People like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, So here's how it works. Christie erects her
search history. Hey, an essay.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
We promise it's nothing more nefarious than a podcast to
find out what's true, some of the psychological motivations behind
the character's actions, and real life applications that relate to
our topic. I have no idea what Christy decided to
look up could be the same thing that captured my
curiosity or something I never thought of.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is it true? No? Well not really no, not really.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Okay, But the fact that there was actually a version
of a maple syrup pisce we're gonna get there is
the most amazing thing. I mean, it really is. And
honestly so.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
There's an article from Forbes the True story behind Prime
Videos The Sticky from December of twenty twenty four. Co
creator Brian Donovan heard about the Great Canadian Maple Syrup pice.
Huh and it is one of the largest agricultural thefts
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in history.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I mean, isn't that wild?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yes? And like he was at a boring, like Thanksgiving
family party and he's like, anything to get me out
of this hell. And like his brother in law who's
from Canada, was like, have you ever heard of the
Great Canadian maple syrup? He he was like, I tell
me everything. So he really used it as a jumping
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off point and he's had in particular that the sticky
characters were not modeled after real people because the people
who weren't involved are all still alive. It was not
that long ago. It really did happen in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve. It is a wild huh. And his idea
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was not to tell the actual story or even fictionalize
the actual story. It was more like, I heard about this,
I'm going to use it as a jumping off point
for kind of fun. And he said, the biggest change
from the actual Canadian maple syrup heist and the show
is the pace at which the robbery happens. In the series,
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the heist occurs over a few hours, as the thieves
scheme to replace the barrels with lake water. In reality,
the crime was slow, methodical, and let's face it, kind
of boring.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So yeah, now, the human body in the barrel of syrup,
ok yeah, didn't happen?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, yeah, right, I mean because that was some breaking,
bad level study, right.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It really was. And while there was someone on the
inside helping the robbers, remy is completely fictional.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
They also took some creative liberty with the heads of
the Syrup management organization being so corrupt.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But also if anything has the chance of being more real,
it's probably that kind of situation.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So before we get to the story story, the episode
is named petital.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I didn't even know what that meant. I had to
look it up. I really didn't look it up.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I took French in high school and I didn't figure
it out. Researched my vocabulary brain and I was like,
you know, I'm worse at languages than anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, that's fair me too. The reason you couldn't find
it in your high school leftover French that's in your
brain because it's not French. It's a botany term and
it's the stock that attaches a leaf to the stem.
I don't know it, so the like when you have
a leaf, right, and it's got a little stem, a
little stock on it that attaches it to a larger branch. Oh.
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I was searching word, this is a botany term, not
a French term.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
See, and I was never I took biology, and I
was like check that box. Yeah, yes, for plant biology, right.
I really, freshman year of college took some biology and
I was so tired about hearing about the sex size
of trees that I just I really just checked out
after a while, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So, okay, okay, So I don't know what that says
about this episode. It's just it's this very thin thing.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, it's just and I'm trying to figure out what
it means to the show. And maybe it's just that
there's really only a small portion holding these two larger
things together.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, or central vein. It's this, it is this reserve
of maple syrup, right, this right central vein. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And but it's also like the grip that they have
on one another is pretty tenuous, right, I mean the
leaves are designed to fall off at some point, right,
So I think maybe that's set like the stem itself
is the the maple syrup organization, the leaf or the
(27:38):
farmers farms, and this little like easy to break thing
is the Petitoal Okay, maybe that maybe that's it. I
was trying to think about it, and I'm like, I
don't really know. I like it, talked it through, I
think it. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think I like that explanation.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So can you get your own copy of your guying
white Light? Let your inner Shine Let Out Your Inner
Shine by a Nonshali, which was given to Remy by
his dad.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, I really just I want Racon from Severance
to to actually read it, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It sounds very familiar. I don't think it's a real thing,
but I bet it's inspired by some real stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'm sure it must be, but I couldn't find anything
about like what it was inspired by or that it
was real.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Basically, there are a number of Eastern religious sort of
practices that would encourage you to sit and meditate and
employ the lotus position and the.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Old Yeah, like all those not uncommon, right, So like
you could find that in a lot of self help,
right mindfulness risks or whatever, right kind of things, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, but the encouragement that your you know, self validation
comes from within. I mean that's what self validation is.
The validation that is actually meaningful for you comes from
within within. External validation is an illusion, That's what I'm
trying to say, right, you know, But there's a lot
(29:15):
of things that will apply to that. But as far
as I can tell, a non Trilley is a fictional.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Okay, well well done, on your fictional character.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yes, exactly, and he did feel like Ricken to me as.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Well, totally like Ricken, Oh my gosh, I could hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you have not listened to the U you are
on Apple Books.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I've got to watch. I've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
To this, like it's literally like an hour. I gotta
do it. It's just it's so good. Put it on
in the call.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's what I need to do when I'm in my commute,
because that's what I'm like. My commute is the moment
I have all of the good ideas about the things
I should be doing because I'm alert because you have
to be right, or you should be and I'm alert
and doing and so all the things I'm supposed to
be doing are coming to my mind. And then when
I get somewhere, I'm like, I don't know what to do. Yeah,
(30:09):
so my car, but that should I should be playing this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So it's a delight. I read it and then I
listened to it, and I got different things from both experiences.
I mean, in case you don't know, we are talking
about a.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Fictional Yes, it's a fictional character from Severance who wrote
a book in the show, right, So the book.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
They have published a chapter eight chapter eight chapters of
this as but it's a book from the show. And
then like the audio is like literally the character reading
the character's book of the show. So no, this is real.
It's comedy, y'all.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And it's so funny, hilarious, but also with like bits
of profundity in it. It's good and I mean it
will increase your vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh I get it, goes Joey Wright in his little
adoption letter.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Uh huh, yes, yeah, yes from friends. Yes, I mean, okay,
I'm just I'm just gonna say, if you're not watching Severance,
it is worth the Apple TV subscription. It is one
of the best television shows ever made. Literature legit, I
mean legit. You were trying to say literally and legit
(31:28):
at the same time, and it was literally legit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We need to make that up literally literally, literalit, literal git, literalit.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think we just found our episode titled that's it
literal git the whole the hole in my pen cap
that I put in my mouth, it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Whistles, it whistles, and I've only had one drink. Kill
that's just us. You don't need anything but that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Oh my god, Okay, my is the Associational arab La
Quebec aka the Quebec Maple Association. Real, I'm sure there
is one.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That's not the name of it. Okay, that does a
fictionalized name for the show.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I felt like that actual.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, so gets a little complex. So it was the
productors a product teases edicles do Quebec, the pp a
Q or the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers q MSP. They
(32:47):
do both in English and friends. Right, that's what it
is now, Okay. At the time of the hes, it
was Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers or Federation de
Productors as Sarah Cole's do Quebec. Okay, back then, that's
what it was. So it is still colloquially called the Federation.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Oh really funny, holy crap, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yes, So in the show they call it the Association. Yeah,
in real life, even though federation is no blunker in
the name.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But they still call it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They still call it the federation.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Because how can you let that go? There's just too
many jokes. They probably show up to meetings with like lightsabers,
you know, what.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I mean, it's fun light shapers that have like a
maple leaf.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Oh my god, like you know, like okay, when you
go like a laser show or a light show, and
there's some people selling all the fun light stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
The ones that you process when the thing spins.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, what if it's like a lightsaber but like has
maple leafs on it. Oh that's right, so cool they
could do that. Well, if you haven't thought of it yet,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, there you're giving away million dollar ideas.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I always did. I know.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So there really is a maple syrup reserve.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I mean that part was clear that it was really true.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yes, yes, And why the reason they did it because
when weather conditions are favorable, they can make a lot
more syrup than is needed by the market. Okay, and
it will depress prices, which makes it just basic economics. Right,
(34:44):
you have a lot and then you know you can
it'll drop the prices so that people will buy it
because there's a lot of it they have to get
rid of. So they created this reserve because the weather,
particularly sense to thousand ish, it is a lot more
unpredictable than it used to be true, and so there
(35:06):
will be years when they have like drought conditions or
not the right amount of like cold hours or whatever,
and they'll produce less. So they'll they've created this reserve
so when it's bountiful, they can basically keep the prices stable.
(35:27):
And if you if the weather's been really good, they
build up this reserve and then they release it into
the market when producers in that area can't create enough
to meet demand. So instead of high prices are low prices.
It's set at a pretty constant.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean that makes a lot of sense. Yes, I
didn't know you could soar easily. I mean because you know,
I get a bottle of it, of course I open
it the difference and then I have to put it
the fridge. But it's not actually the real stuff. It
does actually last a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yes, and it's pasteurized what that's in the so but
because they pasturize that steal it, keep it in these
barrels in controlled conditions, it lasts for years.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, I mean, like because it so if you haven't
ever bought real maple syrup, right, you only need a little.
It's far different than like some of the other stuff
we buy, right, so it could it does have a
high sugar content, so you know, be aware. But when
you're using that, you need far less. Right.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's unlike the like you know you used to be
aunt Jemima.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Right right or whatever delicious it is, but like the
real Mabel syrup, it's just you need less to just
go as further on your right. You keep it in
there for a long time, right, and you know what,
don't grade B. I'm just telling you right now. Okay,
it's underrated. Hah, it's under grade b u. Huh.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's thinner, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yes, and spread it out a little bit it and.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It seeps into pancakes. So nice to I have to
tell you Grade B. Way to go.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
There really was a heist in twenty eleven and twenty twelve.
Now they made it look like there was one location
they did, right, Okay, there're actually three locations. Oh so
there's a huge two hundred and sixty seven thousand square
(37:38):
foot warehouse well like five football fields huge in Laurierville,
and then San Anton to Lily is also a facility,
and then Pleaseesville is the smallest of the three main
ones that they have. They do have very high security
(38:01):
at those three locations. So eight foot high security fence,
cameras watching everything, high tech special codes to get inside
all of that, because each barrel in December of twenty
twenty four is Canadian dollars about sixteen hundred almost seventeen
hundred dollars per making it four dollars a pound, ten
(38:26):
to eighteen times more valuable than crude oil. Wow, is
very expensive. We like our sarah, Yes, yes we do.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
This heist was because they had an overflow and they
rented another location that shared like walls with other locate
with other businesses, and that's how they were able to
get in. But they didn't employ all of their security measures.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Made it's right.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh my gosh, was going to get that get there.
They had to investigate this. They had what they called
fluorescent finger printing that was able to analyze maple syrup.
One percent of it was adulterated. They could tell, like,
so if you siphoned off just a little bit of
(39:19):
it and filled up the rest with water, they could tell,
oh dang, yeah, so you couldn't just water it down.
And it was notable because they had to have teamwork
between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police the Quebec Provincial Police
and the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement all worked together
(39:44):
to solve this particular high.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
School whoa would you said solve? Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Oh, I don't know what it does in the show,
But in the in real life, they were able to
apprehend oh people, Oh yeah, oh yeah, like seventeen people
want to jail?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
What see? I knew it would take more people, a
lot of people. That's a big How did they even
get to the end of that seventeen people? Have you
ever tried to get seventeen people to do something?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I mean that's hard. I mean they should these It's
kind of like finding white hack No, finding black black
hat hackers is not to say, finding black hat hackers
and turning him into like, quote a white hack hack,
right right, Like when you find.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
To like organize the people of anonymous.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, like when you find people who are like actually
really good at this stuff, which clearly I mean, even
though they are apprehended, they were actually pretty good at it. Yes,
you know, and I'm like, those could be valuable individuals. Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But was this the first time that they had been burgled?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I guess not. No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
In two thousand and six, a thousand maple barrels worth
over one point three million Canadian dollars at another warehouse
were stolen.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
And then they still didn't be careful about it. Well,
I mean, how much can you do? Then nobody was well, right,
but I mean a thousand barrels is a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's a lot. I just don't know how Like if
you have people who are really determined and you have
all the security, yeah, that's really hard.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But they never apprehended anybody for that.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They're the on we need to put.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well, unless it was the same people and they just
they got cocky and weren't careful enough for a second time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I see, that's a sequel, that's a show.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's right. But they see they didn't employ more security
because they were compensated from insurance for the two thousand
and six heist.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh interesting, interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And adjusted for inflation, this is the most valuable heist
in Canadian history.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I mean, that's wild, right, I mean right, I didn't.
I would have never as much as I understand that
they are a producer of maple syrup. I think in
the United States we get very used to the fact
that each state kind of has their thing that they produce. Sure,
so I kind of think of different different commodities. But
when you think of the like the Canadian you know nation,
(42:31):
but that is something that you know because of their geography,
you know the topography of the area. You know, all
the vegetation they're able to produce across the entire like
a large swath, I should say.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And yet all of this is happening in Quebec. I
only the producers in Quebec are participating in this.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And that's very interesting. But it's just one smallest place.
But look at it, that's like that's an amazing amount, right,
you know, like Georgia does not produce that many peaches,
but still we peanuts. We will, We do produce a
lot of peanuts, Yeah, but I don't know that we
produce like where we need to have a reserve for
(43:14):
economic stability, right like the roadstade stands don't need worried.
That's just different unless there is and I just don't
know about it.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Gosh, what if there is, if there's a peanut reserve
or peach I mean, peach is harder, right because you
have to preserve them. I mean, not that you don't
have to preserve peach preserves me too.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Oh my gosh, pa oh oh, the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm just like, just open a can of peaches and
eat them right out.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean, just seriously, I love a peach. I just
eat it right right into it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, delicious. Yeah, Okay, Wow. Is the Debating crime family real?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I could see that it was built off like a stereotype.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, yes, but I have a theory. Oh oh oh,
this is actually like, you know, bordering on the nut.
Is it true? But I have a theory and maybe
it's true.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So it's a killer take.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah. There, there you go, a killer take. So the
Devaney crime family wasn't a like thing really, but Tom
Devaney was a New York mobster and an enforcer for
Mickey Splain oh and the Speline crime family in the
nineteen sixties and seventies. Okay, so were.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
They caught up in the Big Rego?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well, Tom Devaney died in nineteen seventy six, so he
probably wasn't alive, because that wasn't because that was It
wasn't until like the mid to late eighties that they
really started employing enco cases against the mob. But Tom
Devaney's death marked the beginning of the end for the
Spelene crime operations.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Interesting, So they weren't right.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I think my killer take is that they used
the name Devaney kind of as an homage to this.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Because crime family that that fizzled out, which if you
watch the rest of the series you can see their organization.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And so when you think of like the Rico cases
of the eighties and like the family, like the families
that we're all you know together, right, Yeah, I like it. Yeah,
I think you're I think you might have I don't know.
I think I think the creators of the show maybe
(45:53):
and let us know.
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You might learn a little something too. Psychology break so
having a loved one who is seriously ill is really
tough spot in God so yeah, debated as to whether
(46:40):
I should put this in psychology break or in our resources,
but health Talk has uh seven ways to cope with
the loved one's serious illness or injury. Injury. So Rose Wilson,
has a Masters of Social Work, said that it's like
getting a full time job that you didn't apply for
(47:02):
and you probably didn't get any training and it started abruptly.
So that's what it's like having a family member, loved
one who is seriously ill and you're suddenly like the caretaker.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Role, thrust into nursing school. Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, yeah, they have recommendations. Take care of yourself, making
your self care a priority, get enough sleep, try and
eat something relatively healthy, get some exercise, take a shower.
I know these are like normal daily life things, but
it can be really hard to do them.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Amazingly hard. Yeah, especially if you happen to have kids.
They're young at the time.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Right, Yes, really hard. And you know what self care
look like before your loved one had to diagnose this
and what it looks like after can be very different things.
So just recognize that and that's okay. Yeah, get away
for breaks if you can, even if that means just
like I'm gonna go home to sleep instead of sleeping
in the hospital, or I'm just going to go and
(48:05):
get coffee somewhere that is not in the hospital, even
if it's just half an hour, even if it's in
the hospital, Go into the coffee shop, go into the chapel,
go into a garden, and just getting away from it
all for a few minutes can be really really helpful.
Identify your support network, even if that's just people who
can be comforting to you. Get on the phone, talk
(48:27):
with them, get it out, do the think, ask for help.
And this one's really good. Help others help you. Make
a list of things that need to be done, and
then either you or someone you appoint you can refer
them to the list or to the person who has
the list, you know what, Yeah, so they can hand
(48:51):
out these are the things that can be done easily,
or these are the things that I need help with
and I had never thought to me, never ocurt to me.
Make lists of things you need to be done, need
to be done, so when somebody asks, you can actually
give them something.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, it's hard to do that. It is hard to
because it's just like in the beginning where we said
don't say how can I help, right, because it puts
the burden on the person. The list is the burden.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
It is a burden. But if it's a.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Long time situation, yeah, yeah, it can be helpful because
it's your worry list too, right, so it can impact
your sleep. So like, if it's your worry list about
all these things that have to get done that are
not getting done because you're barely surviving, making a list
is actually more like think of it, you journaling, and
(49:38):
then you give it to the person who can decipher that.
Your closest friends hopefully will just be able to understand
and know yes, and you hope that they can just
step in. But it's hard. It's hard, and you know
we've been there, both of us.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah and yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's just the
thing and if you think about it, like what are
the things I need to do? Okay, write these down
and let somebody else take care of them. Yeah, And
you know what the biggest help was was just feed
my kids. Yeah right, Like my kids were big, so
it wasn't a yeah, oh that's the situation. And I
(50:17):
was like, text my son, here's his phone number, ask
them what they want for dinner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Well, and today's world is great because you can send
Uber eats gift card or just gift card and say
hey Uber eats. You know, when I was going through it,
we didn't have that, So you know, biggest like word
of advice, don't don't bring pizza. I can do that
on my own. Yeah, don't bring Donald's. I can do
that on my own. You know, like, don't bring that
kind of stuff. It's the stuff that takes that thirty
(50:45):
minutes to cook, right that I may not have the
capacity for. The Other thing I'd add is exercise. Yes,
because I neglected it. Yeah, I neglected exercise.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
And it really can help clear your mind and fight depression.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
It can increase your immunity so that you're healthier. And
not to mention the fact that if you're in the hospital,
a bunch that hospital food actually has a lot more
calories and a lot more fat because it's made for
people who are either doctors and nurses who are like
go go go, go, go go go, or patients who
(51:22):
their bodies or like go go, go go go immunionize. Right, So,
like immunity takes a lot of effort. But if you
are a caregiver, right, you may be sedentary for a time. Yeah,
and you're not fighting actively fighting in infection or something
like that. That food is actually not good for you, right,
So don't eat the hospital food, get out, bring something else,
(51:45):
do exercise because that high caloric is actually not good
if you're the caregiver, right for that time, Yeah, for
that time, right?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, sure, unless you have like my husband did at
his hospital, which was so great. They had a like
way a salad and go which was so great that
because I could like pick stuff and they had like
a fish option that was a hot meal that you
could buy. It was so good. The food was really good.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
That's really I mean, it's really helpful. And you have that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Not everywhere has that.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Not everywhere has that. Also, you're hungry, so you want
the protein, but that protein is probably too much for you,
sure or not the protein, the fat and the caloric
is probably too much for you because you do need protein,
you see, lean protein.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Right, So it is it's just a battlest right, yes,
And all of these things affect your psychological well me right,
like eating properly, exercising, getting away from it for a
little bit. But that's why I chose to put it
here rather than in the real because it's hard.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Also, if you'll stick to the exercising, that bottle of
wine you drink at night before you go so much
easier metabolized. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
So Leonard, he's a monster. He's a monster. It turns
out some.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
People are just wired, though it is really frustrating, uh
learning mind dot com. Some people just have their brains
wired to take advantage of others. Oh, and this is disheartening,
but there are many people who will do anything to succeed,
(53:28):
and when somebody shows propensity for kindness or fairness, they
see that as an opportunity to take advantage to exploit them,
rather than this is a good way to live. And
they call these people Machiavelians. Oh yeah, there we go,
and that when they see somebody showing signs of being cooperative,
(53:53):
their brains went into overdrive as to how can I
exploit this situation. I think that's what we have with Leonard.
And this is a fictional character. I'm gonna call him
a Machiavelian.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, And so they did this whole thing where they
had a small amount of money that the participants in
the study could either be fair with or be or
take advantage with. And they went it went back and forth.
And here's the frustrating thing, the Machiavellian propensity. Those people
(54:28):
ended up with more money at the end. It's really frustrating.
They're the monopoly winners, yes they are, that's right. And uh,
they tend to suppress an emotional reaction and tend to
take advantage of any misguided step that somebody else takes.
(54:50):
And they just don't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
About it, no, because they see it all as a game.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Right, yes, And it's just frustrating that there. It's just
a lot of people, yeah, real life. Oh no, So
Orville's phone plays La Cucaracha as the ring tone. And
(55:14):
I've really never had any curiosity about that song until now. None.
Just it's a you know, it's the song lakucha. Yeah, yeah,
I did not know it is. I knew it was
a folk song, right, a Mexican folks song. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but it's about a cockroach who cannot walk.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Oh well, of course, well of course if you think
of the name. Yeah, yeah, but I know.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
The English me either, the English translation is the cockroach.
The cockroach can no longer walk because she doesn't have
because she lacks the two hind legs to walk. That's
the that's the English translation of it.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
So much worse than it feels when you're.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Well, And yes, exactly, but the origins of it are obscure.
We have don't really know the origins of it. But
it gets used as sociological and political fight song almost
like it gets adapted over and over and we don't
(56:23):
know exactly where it came from, but you can tell
the version where the versions of it came from, because
they refer to certain things in particular. And but it's
the tune is so like catchy, and we know it's
so well known that it's easy to make up your
own lyrics to it to suit whatever.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
So interesting, yeah, which I'm like, oh that's cool, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Cool. I'd never thought about garage is anything other than
just like this is what they say, you know when
you this.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Is like everywhere anywhere, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
It everywhere you go to a kingsanera or a wedding
for anybody who's Mexican, you're gonna hear Laku Garacha and
the chicken dans. Yeah, for sure those are the Yeah. Sure,
if they're playing a poka, they're probably playing luku garacha. Yeah,
it's true. Yeah. So the Reserve, despite stabilizing the market
(57:23):
for maple syrup, maybe backfire a little bet.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Oh to tell.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
So, Quebec provided about seventy ish percent of the syrup
supply in twenty twenty, and that's down from a about
eighty percent in the years prior to that, Like for
a ten year period, they basically lost Like well, Canada
(57:53):
as a whole provides about seventy seven percent of the
global maple syrup supply and about ninety percent of that
comes from Quebec. Wow, but they have lost the Quebec stronghold.
It's down to like seventy percent of the world's.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Stepped up, So.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
We'll get there. So the Federation has this really tight control.
They're a private organization, but the provincial government in Quebec
allows them to use law enforcement to enforce their rules.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
What oh wow.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
They basically and if you were a maple producer in Quebec,
you don't have any option other than to sell to
the federation. What if you sell to supermarkets or restaurants
directly you have to pay a fourteen cent per pound
fee to the federation. And the only way they can
(59:02):
get around that is that they sell directly to the consumer.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
But if it's a.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Large farm that is a minuscule amount, like they can
have like a little stand and sell without having to
pay the federation.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
But that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's like hardly anything. They set quotas. You have to
provide a certain amount and they'll only sell a certain
amount per year, and if you don't meet your quota
you can be fined. If you produce more than your quota,
you still have to give it to the federation, but
(59:39):
they don't pay you until they sell it. What that's how,
that's how, that's how they build the reserve.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
Ah, I have thought that.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
I mean, is it working?
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Wow? Are the farmer's taken care of? Is the market stable?
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Well, it has stabilized the prices since this went into
effect in two thousand and four at near historic Highes,
So it has stabilized the market. But because these rules
are so strict, it has created a huge black market.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Oh oh oh, I was about to say, I was
about to say a blockade to new farmer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Oh well, because if you don't live in Quebec, you're
not under the purview of the federation, right, And so
now people are starting to realize, oh, maybe I don't
have to have my farm in Quebec. Maybe because there
are maple trees all over Canada. I'll I'll just build
(01:00:52):
a farm. I'll just buy some land and put my
farm somewhere else, and then you don't have to pay
the federation. And the production has increased since the federation,
but in Quebec it's increased the least amount of anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yes. In addition, in Quebec about fifty percent of the
trees that can be tapped or tapped. Oh, in Vermont
it's five percent.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Okay, so Vermont, that's where I've had my maple syrup from.
Uh huh bring farm up there. Yeah, that's amazing, delicious,
uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
So they by no, they're kind of shooting themselves in
the foot a little bit. Like they've done a good
job of like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Stabilizing these prices.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
In order to protect their farmers, but also but also
they're making it so it's true, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Mean for the United States and I get trade maybe yeah,
or tenuus that it used to beat. Sure, but yeah,
but my last bo came from a place in Vermont, right,
and like yeah, like like right north of montfailiure.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Right, So it's this like kind of tenuous thing. Now,
it's good for the farmers because it's stabilized it. It's
also good for the farmers because if they need a loan,
they can typically get it if they're participating it with
the federation because the Federation they know that all of
their stock is going to get bought up to their quota,
(01:02:30):
and anything above that will be money coming in later
because they're going to sell from the reserve. Right, So
if you need a loan as a farmer in Quebec,
it's easier to get a loan there because they know
the Federation is going to support you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
But they've also been called the Opec of maple syrup.
So there we go. There we go, all right. So
on a final note, a lighter note, Denny calls Mike
the Mobster a candy ass. Hold up just a minute,
(01:03:09):
bucko because the rock owns that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh, I mean a little bit right, not even just
a little bit right.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So in February of twenty twenty four, at least when
it comes to merch that has anything to do with
the WWE, if it says candy Ass or Jabbroni Dune
the Rock Johnson now owns them. Nice, so good for him.
He basically joined the parent company TKO Group Holdings, Oh,
(01:03:44):
on the board of directors, and part of his joining
that was that he got the rights to his signature sings. Yeah,
his signature sayings within the WWE. So if you're going
to have the words candy ass anywhere that has any
sort of affiliation with a WWE have to get.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
An accusation or using it as a right.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Exactly as as a what do you call it, like
a slur or I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Know, like it was like a trash talk.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yes exactly. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Dwayne the Rock Johnson owns it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Good for you, buddy, you're good and I like you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
He also owns rock Nation, the Samoa, Sensation, Rock Apocalypse,
any of those names that were.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Smelling with his eyebrow.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Good, that's interesting that he owns that. Yes, that's really funny.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I was like, hold up buck, Oh, you don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, but you know what, The Rock just made money,
so maybe not because it doesn't have anything to do
with wrestling, so he he really only.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Owns it when it has to do with wrestling.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I don't know he was using I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, but the term candy ass has been around since
I know, forever, right forever. The sixties is when it
was like officially like became as.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Ridiculous candy is delicious. That's of course in the In
this situation, though, candy ass was very much more personal.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Oh right, exactly because it had to do with maple
syrup and very sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Because Mike is called lollipop.
Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Oh in his organization, he's called Lollipops and there's reasons
for this, but his nickname in the family is lollipop.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So when he calls him candy ass, there is something
much more personal at steak here when he calls him that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Okay, so fun cool next time, Uh German Dexter. This
show is a German mobster finds some work life balance
and murder mindfully, which has recently come on Nutflix. I
can't wait. So it's gonna be so yeah, it's gonna
(01:06:08):
be fun and it's funny and we're coming up on
our spring break with our families, our kids and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Like so because by the way, we're in Texas. Uh huh.
Zoe's spring break actually is in March, yeah, which is
more than you or I should say, earlier than most
of the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
But where we're about ready for.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Our we are like, well, we're hitting the eighties, so like.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We're ready to open that like tawdry book and get
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Oh, that's right, it feels like spring especially do allergies.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
True.
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Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Bom bomb bo
Welcome back to Killer Phone Worries for the intersection of
crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christie and today
today we are talking about the Sticky maple syrup heist.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's the weirdest thing. I mean, it's so funny. When
I first read that, I was like, what, I mustn't
misread a maple syrup heist? Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Mean, and it's such a fun amalgamation of true and
not true. It's great. I mean it's so fun. But
I mean, you really, when you treat people unfairly, they're
predictably going to lash out. And I love the way
they have had these characters lash out. Yes, it's really great.
So let's talk about the cast. Margot Martindale is Ruth
(00:57):
Landry and I just I love her.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I love her so much so. Her character is Ruth,
the owner of a maple syrup farm whose husband Martin,
is in a coma, which is key.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah. Lots of thoughts there, Yes, I mean, she's been
in tons of stuff. The things that I'm going to
talk about are things that I have seen, like the Watcher,
which we have covered on the show. Cocaine Bear Your
Honor with Brian Cranston and Sneaky Pee. Sneaky I love
Sneaky Peet so much and I can't believe that they
didn't include it in the screen ran article about the
(01:34):
cast and character guy. I'm like, how can you How
can you include Cocaine Bear and not include Sneaky Pet.
That was such a good show, because it's a great show.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was fantastic, so good I think I think I
need to rewatch that one.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Actually, that's fair. Chris Deman Topless is Mike Brian. They
said in this article that his big break is The
Three Stoodents in twenty twelve, which I like, I didn't
even know there was a Three Stooges movie in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Interesting, Yeah, I did not.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But he's been in Arrested Development Community Silicon Valley. He
is one of the voices for Disney's mascot Mickey Mouse.
Oh yeah, which is pretty cool. So it's like twenty
thirteen heis do that's pretty cool. What I recognized him
from was that he was Brian, the camera guy in
the Office.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh whoa, see, I haven't watched Office like you've watched up. Yeah,
so I just never know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I have watched Friend, you and I have watched
Friends in a similar manner. And I have watched The
Office like I have watched Friends.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, and I have watched The Golden Girls.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, like that so exactly. Yep. Oh, and I didn't
say Mike Byrne is related to organized crime in some way.
Oh in the first In the first episode, we don't exactly.
We know that he works with the.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Divaney crime family. Okay, sorry, wait, I got I got
screwed up with a character name and after your name,
and I thought you were stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
No, no, no, the character character. I don't think the
voice of Mickey Mouse is involved in organized crime. That
would be interesting, It would be interesting. Oh my gosh,
I would watch the heck out of a documentary about that, right.
(03:29):
Game Seer is Remy Bouchard, the loan security guard for
the Maple Syrup Warehouse. This is his most high profile
show yet, so he's done some stuff that was mostly
in French and mostly in Canada, as has the dude
at the association. Leonard is played by Guy Nadan and
(03:56):
he uh, we'll talk more about it in a minute,
but he is most of everything he's done is not
only Canadian, but in French.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, so yeah he didn't. He didn't look familiar to me. No,
not not not guy or right key parts in the show.
So yes, yes, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
We only cover the first episode, yes, occasionally the second episode,
depending but like, how far have you watched now, just
the first two episodes?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Have you looked at the entire cast?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh? Yes, I know that everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No Jamie Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, I know she's in it, which is what my well,
keep my husband watching.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And when I say okay, I know I'm jumping ahead,
but this cast is good. It's good comedy, and it's
got good dark comedy. They held their own around Jamie
Lee art Is and the and and I would say,
like if you, if you had any doubt how good
it was, wait till she hits the screen and and
she does not put them to shame. Oh that's awesome.
(05:12):
But of course she's amazing, right, she gels, she she
puts herself in there, she'll do the thing. But it
didn't look Yeah, she didn't look out of place.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, no, oh good, And.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
They didn't look out of place next to her, which
is the really big thing. Yes, yeah, good, yeah so
they wow?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Perfect? Oh I can't wait. Very exciting. Well, let's recap
this first episode. So Ruth the Maple Syrup farmer and Remy,
the sole security guard at the strategic Reserve of Maple Syrup.
I know, it's so funny. They don't know one another,
but they are two of a kind. Both are being
(05:52):
taken advantage of by the Quebec Maple Association. Ruth's husband
and technical Lee, the farm operator, is in a coma
and Leonard, who actually runs the association, is using this
to lowball try and buy her farm. Remy, a classmate
(06:12):
and friend of Leonard's son Leo, who also works for
the association and is the name only leader, would like
to beef up security at the Syrup reserve and has
reasonable and well organized plans to implement this, but Leonard
refuses to acknowledge that the reserve needs more than a
(06:37):
single guard and b refuses to see Remy as anything
other than an unintelligent scrup. Leonard is everyone's nemesis, is
what I'm saying. Yes, yes, So both Ruth and Remy
separately seek to engage Mike and associate with the Divaney
crime family to help them gain more favorable circumstances. With
(07:02):
regard to their relationship with Maple Syrup. There were thoughts, oh, yeah,
bring him okay. So the officers are looking for Orval
steaks right at the beginning, right he's an associate of Remy,
and an officer confirms that a barrel is filled with
(07:25):
maple syrup, My tasting it just before Orville's body floats
to the surface. And it was absolutely so predictable and
still so utterly gross.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It was gross and so funny, and I'm like, the
officers never eating maple syrup begins, and that's going to
be hard for him because he was in Canada.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No the physical the physical comedy there was on point
because his the reaction that he had. I lost it.
It was so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was funny. So an agent of them Maple Syrup
Association comes to shut down Ruth's farm and Ruth asks
if Leonard is behind it, and I was like, ooh,
Leonard's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He's gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I realized I would never want to be on
the wrong side of a single character I've ever seen
Margot Martindale play.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, right, yes, I don't want to be.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
On the wrong side of any of them. On the
right side, there's like cookies, yeah, and do anything for you,
And the wrong side is like take you down with fire.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Right. But it's clear that she gives people a long
time really to prove themselves. Uh huh, you know what
I mean, Like she could have taken Leonard down a
long time ago, but she waits until he just crosses
the line before she goes. That's what's scary, is she's patient.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Uh huh. Yes, So I get where Dennie not Dennis,
is coming from when he wants his name pronounced correctly.
But you have to be sure when you're gonna hold
that line, that you're okay with having the reputation as
(09:17):
an asshole a little bit. Yeah, I mean he was.
He was a little much about it. Oh well, yeah,
he seemed okay with it. It wasn't a problem for Dennie.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, it was fine. I mean, but but the way okay,
it wasn't kindly.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It was because he had something to prove, but only
because he had all of his henchmen behind him, right, Yeah,
he would not have been so bold if he met
Mike alone in the alley.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, he would not be. But also he just kind
of was an asshole. Yeah, we've become not safe for work.
You know that. We usually avoid the terminologies.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, that one won't get us banned in all countries.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, good, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's one of those like gray areas. Yeah, bitch and
boob those are yes, yes, I get those. Those are
becoming more acceptable.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes, bomb, we're not going to say that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're not going to say that one.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Right, not, well not, you're not going to hear us
say it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, if we see it, I'm gonna like edu that out. Yeah,
or just make it quiet. That's what I do. I
just don't make it so you can't hear it. But
you can fill in them. You can fill it in,
dear listener. You're welcome to do that. Yes, So Ruth
belittles Leo by calling him a secretary, and I get
(10:36):
where she's coming from. She wants to touch to somebody
who can actually make a decision, and she knows that
he is not it. But the whole like belittling somebody
for their job is always sits poorly with me, because like,
if it's a job worth having, it's a job worth
paying somebody to do and respect them for doing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It, right. I think it was personal.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, I had nothing to do with the.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Job, because she watched that kid.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Girl up right well, and she also knew that he
would take offense to that, right because we see somebody
else later in the episode take offense to being just
asked where somebody is. I'm not a secretary, okay, can we.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like, can we like, first of all, respect secretaries, they
keep you all together, Yes, exactly, But like she knows
that this is a Neppo situation and that like he's
just in training to take over someday, and so she's
not happy with him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, she knows he can't really do anything. And Leonard
really is a monster because he can hardly contain his
glee when he realizes he can offer Margo three hundred
thousand dollars for her farm, and you know that has
to be like the low ball of all low balls.
(11:57):
It has to be worth way more. Though I looked
and could not find ohe interesting, Maple syrup farms and
Quebec for sale interesting, So like I couldn't confirm that
they were a maple syrup farm. There were ones that
were farms and maybe maybe not yeah, but like one
of them, I was like, oh, well, this one sounds interesting.
(12:18):
Oh no, it's got like it's a dairy farm basically. Okay, okay,
Well I can't tell for sure if these are yeah,
what they are, it's wild, But three hundred thousand dollars
for any of those would have been.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean really, I just was like, I had so
many thoughts about that. He can shut down her farm
because she's not on the deed, her husband is.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But he's willing to make a contract with her.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yeah, but she can sell it. If she can
sell it, she can run it back off. Now she
takes a different route to prove her point, but you know, totheless. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Remy gets in his car to drive to go get
Leah the presentation, and I was like, dude, there are
too many keys on that key ring.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh it's attached to his bill. That's great. That was
the most security guard lore I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was very funny.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I've seen it do I've stayed it, but never in
the car though.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh Orville comes to the reserve to get a barrel
of Syrup, and now we know why Remy understands the
need for increased security. Yea at the reserve and Orville
has his phone on. I'm like, Remy, Remy, honey, you
(13:39):
need a smarter partner in crime because he drove up
there with his phone on.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, and he doesn't know how to turn it off. Wait,
we need a better partner in crime, please. Yeah. So
Ruth sends a message in tree form to the association.
You said it tree four.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That was the most.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Badass way I've.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Ever seen anybody do anything.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I don't care that it was improbable that she could
drive and be able to launch a tree into the
front of the Maple Syrup Association.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
She made me believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I was she made me believe it. I was so happy.
I don't care that. I'm like, yes, this is what
I want from my entertainment. Yes, I want this like
level of suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the ride. Yes,
I'm so here for it. It's such a fun scene.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'm loving it. Yeah, it was so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah. All right, So I didn't think I would have resources,
but I found a couple. Okay, okay, it's more like
advice Okay, Okay. So the first resource is that about
ten years ago Northwestern University in a study about people
(15:03):
in Coomas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh oh interesting, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And so what they did was they had loved ones
come in and record stories. They said, bring in your
photo albums and remember stories from a long time ago
when they were young, and tell this story and we'll
record it. And then four times a day they would
(15:28):
play them for patients who were in Coomas, Okay. And
what they found was like kind of amazing. As a result,
the koma patients can wake more easily, become more aware
of their environment, and start responding to conversations and directions.
They were able to actively participate in physical, speech and
(15:50):
occupational therapy, and they recovered much more quickly and more
fully than their counterparts who did not hear these stories
from their life ones. And it was super helpful for
the loved ones because they felt like they were able
to do something. They could think about happy times with
(16:10):
their loved one. Record this felt like they were doing something.
It was good for the family, it was good for
the patients. If you know somebody in a coma and
you've known them for a long time, go talk to them.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
They can hear you. And we have talked about this before,
but we're going to talk about it every single time
that it comes up. And that is what to say
and what not to say to people who are coping
with a serious illness. Yes, because you cannot say it
too much.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
No, you cannot.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So the Seattle Times had this article. This is back
from twenty eleven. This is kind of evergreen advice a
little bit. Yeah, don't say what can I do to help?
Because it puts a burden on the people who are
struggling with it, whether it's the patient themselves or their family.
Just do a thing, just more mundane. You can do
(17:05):
thing you can do for them the better, or ask
I would like to come in into your laundry. When
is a good time for that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Like, I can I do it? But when is a
good time? Would you like to leave me a key?
I will go in and do your laundry. Does your
car need an oil change? Give me the key. I
will take it for an oil change. You know, those
sorts of things are much more helpful. My thoughts and
prayers are with you. Oh, I know it's hard. It's
(17:33):
hard because some people honestly mean it, but for most
people it just comes out as a trite sort of
thing to say.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah. It kind of works a little bit on social
media if somebody has done a public broadcast of their
hardship and they're just reading all of the kind of
like the the comments, which kind of feel like a
sign your yearbook, you know, and you see the thoughts
and the prayers, and you're really just scrolling through to
see that, like they're there and listening, right, but.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
In person a person, yeah, like, I'm so sorry, I'm
going to pray for you, and also I'm going to
send you a gift card so that you can buy
a meal, do something tangible.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Even something small like five dollars Starbucks is a five
dollars gift card. Yes, and I will tell you. You can
send that through your phone in text, yes, you know,
and be like here, go get a cake pop. Yeah,
go get a cake pop. Take a break, you know.
If they're in the middle of something, you know that's
like hard for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Don't ever say everything's going to be okay. Oh god,
you do not know it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
No, you do not.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's not helpful. Don't say how are we today? It
is patronizing. Don't how are you today? How are you
coping today? Again? I would like to help you cope.
Is there a way that's better? Here is a gift card, right,
(19:02):
anything here is. I have brought you balloons, I have
brought you a book. I've brought you your magaz a
magazine that I know that you love to read, but
never buy for yourself, right exactly. Don't tell a sick
person that they look great. They know they don't look good. Yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, if you're going to say something like that, you
better have something very specific. Like, for instance, when my
dad was really really ill for a while there and
coming out of it, there were some days where you
could see the color back and it was like, you
look good because I could see your color, so I
see progress. It's a very specific, like you've made an achievement.
(19:41):
I see the milestone, or you know, like you look
good because you're tired because you did all that stuff today.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, you go, your eyes are so bright. I haven't
seen him that way in a long time. I'm so
happy to see it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Something very specific, But don't tell them they look hot
or good or you know, none of.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That none of that things you should say, don't write
me back. Oh right, thank you, because it's just one
more thing to do. If you expect to thank you
note from somebody who's in the hospital, you were doing
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yes, thank you. I just don't understand that it's not
a wedding gift.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's chicken soup.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I mean seriously.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And also, don't give them anything that they have to return.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No, thank you. Can we add that to the list.
If you bring them a meal, you will get nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Back, and you should expect nothing back. Nothing in fact,
on the note, if it's not obviously a disposable item.
On the note with the cooking instructions, it should say
please keep this, Yes, and if you can also disposable
(20:49):
plates and flowers.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Very nice. Let's not do dishes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
No, this is always a really good phrase. I should
be going now, So about twenty minutes is what the
experts recommend.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, if you can visit a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Visit, Yeah, you visit, and then you say I should
be going now. Less if they are obviously in pain
or tired. Right leave. We're so glad. I'm so glad
to see you. It was good seeing you. I'm glad
to see some improvement, or I can't wait to be
able to come visit you at home, right, those kinds
(21:27):
of things. Twenty minutes and get your butt out of there. Yep.
Would you like some gossip? Oh yeah, anything you can
do to change the subject, yes, very fun. Bring some tea, yes,
bring some tea.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, seriously, No, it's true because the hospital speak, the
health speak, is like a black hole. Yes, it's hard
to get out of. And when you get out of
that kind of speech and you start talking about all
the other things, it's like it does it changes your
home motivation all of a sudden. You're not trying to
just get well, You're trying to like, you know, level up.
(22:03):
Like it's a whole different mindset.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Uh huh right, yes, especially if you're at that point
in a hospital stay where you're feeling better but you're bored.
Uh huh yeah, yeah, bring it, bring it, bring it,
And I love you, I love you. I'm sorry you're
going through this.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's always nice. People like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, So here's how it works. Christie erects her
search history. Hey, an essay.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
We promise it's nothing more nefarious than a podcast to
find out what's true, some of the psychological motivations behind
the character's actions, and real life applications that relate to
our topic. I have no idea what Christy decided to
look up could be the same thing that captured my
curiosity or something I never thought of.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is it true? No? Well not really no, not really.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Okay, But the fact that there was actually a version
of a maple syrup pisce we're gonna get there is
the most amazing thing. I mean, it really is. And
honestly so.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
There's an article from Forbes the True story behind Prime
Videos The Sticky from December of twenty twenty four. Co
creator Brian Donovan heard about the Great Canadian Maple Syrup pice.
Huh and it is one of the largest agricultural thefts
(23:29):
in history.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I mean, isn't that wild?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yes? And like he was at a boring, like Thanksgiving
family party and he's like, anything to get me out
of this hell. And like his brother in law who's
from Canada, was like, have you ever heard of the
Great Canadian maple syrup? He he was like, I tell
me everything. So he really used it as a jumping
(23:57):
off point and he's had in particular that the sticky
characters were not modeled after real people because the people
who weren't involved are all still alive. It was not
that long ago. It really did happen in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve. It is a wild huh. And his idea
(24:19):
was not to tell the actual story or even fictionalize
the actual story. It was more like, I heard about this,
I'm going to use it as a jumping off point
for kind of fun. And he said, the biggest change
from the actual Canadian maple syrup heist and the show
is the pace at which the robbery happens. In the series,
(24:39):
the heist occurs over a few hours, as the thieves
scheme to replace the barrels with lake water. In reality,
the crime was slow, methodical, and let's face it, kind
of boring.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So yeah, now, the human body in the barrel of syrup,
ok yeah, didn't happen?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, yeah, right, I mean because that was some breaking,
bad level study, right.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It really was. And while there was someone on the
inside helping the robbers, remy is completely fictional.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
They also took some creative liberty with the heads of
the Syrup management organization being so corrupt.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But also if anything has the chance of being more real,
it's probably that kind of situation.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So before we get to the story story, the episode
is named petital.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I didn't even know what that meant. I had to
look it up. I really didn't look it up.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I took French in high school and I didn't figure
it out. Researched my vocabulary brain and I was like,
you know, I'm worse at languages than anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, that's fair me too. The reason you couldn't find
it in your high school leftover French that's in your
brain because it's not French. It's a botany term and
it's the stock that attaches a leaf to the stem.
I don't know it, so the like when you have
a leaf, right, and it's got a little stem, a
little stock on it that attaches it to a larger branch. Oh.
(26:20):
I was searching word, this is a botany term, not
a French term.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
See, and I was never I took biology, and I
was like check that box. Yeah, yes, for plant biology, right.
I really, freshman year of college took some biology and
I was so tired about hearing about the sex size
of trees that I just I really just checked out
after a while, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So, okay, okay, So I don't know what that says
about this episode. It's just it's this very thin thing.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, it's just and I'm trying to figure out what
it means to the show. And maybe it's just that
there's really only a small portion holding these two larger
things together.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, or central vein. It's this, it is this reserve
of maple syrup, right, this right central vein. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And but it's also like the grip that they have
on one another is pretty tenuous, right, I mean the
leaves are designed to fall off at some point, right,
So I think maybe that's set like the stem itself
is the the maple syrup organization, the leaf or the
(27:38):
farmers farms, and this little like easy to break thing
is the Petitoal Okay, maybe that maybe that's it. I
was trying to think about it, and I'm like, I
don't really know. I like it, talked it through, I
think it. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think I like that explanation.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So can you get your own copy of your guying
white Light? Let your inner Shine Let Out Your Inner
Shine by a Nonshali, which was given to Remy by
his dad.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, I really just I want Racon from Severance
to to actually read it, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It sounds very familiar. I don't think it's a real thing,
but I bet it's inspired by some real stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'm sure it must be, but I couldn't find anything
about like what it was inspired by or that it
was real.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Basically, there are a number of Eastern religious sort of
practices that would encourage you to sit and meditate and
employ the lotus position and the.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Old Yeah, like all those not uncommon, right, So like
you could find that in a lot of self help,
right mindfulness risks or whatever, right kind of things, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, but the encouragement that your you know, self validation
comes from within. I mean that's what self validation is.
The validation that is actually meaningful for you comes from
within within. External validation is an illusion, That's what I'm
trying to say, right, you know, But there's a lot
(29:15):
of things that will apply to that. But as far
as I can tell, a non Trilley is a fictional.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Okay, well well done, on your fictional character.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yes, exactly, and he did feel like Ricken to me as.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Well, totally like Ricken, Oh my gosh, I could hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you have not listened to the U you are
on Apple Books.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I've got to watch. I've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
To this, like it's literally like an hour. I gotta
do it. It's just it's so good. Put it on
in the call.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's what I need to do when I'm in my commute,
because that's what I'm like. My commute is the moment
I have all of the good ideas about the things
I should be doing because I'm alert because you have
to be right, or you should be and I'm alert
and doing and so all the things I'm supposed to
be doing are coming to my mind. And then when
I get somewhere, I'm like, I don't know what to do. Yeah,
(30:09):
so my car, but that should I should be playing this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So it's a delight. I read it and then I
listened to it, and I got different things from both experiences.
I mean, in case you don't know, we are talking
about a.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Fictional Yes, it's a fictional character from Severance who wrote
a book in the show, right, So the book.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
They have published a chapter eight chapter eight chapters of
this as but it's a book from the show. And
then like the audio is like literally the character reading
the character's book of the show. So no, this is real.
It's comedy, y'all.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And it's so funny, hilarious, but also with like bits
of profundity in it. It's good and I mean it
will increase your vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh I get it, goes Joey Wright in his little
adoption letter.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Uh huh, yes, yeah, yes from friends. Yes, I mean, okay,
I'm just I'm just gonna say, if you're not watching Severance,
it is worth the Apple TV subscription. It is one
of the best television shows ever made. Literature legit, I
mean legit. You were trying to say literally and legit
(31:28):
at the same time, and it was literally legit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We need to make that up literally literally, literalit, literal git, literalit.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think we just found our episode titled that's it
literal git the whole the hole in my pen cap
that I put in my mouth, it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Whistles, it whistles, and I've only had one drink. Kill
that's just us. You don't need anything but that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Oh my god, Okay, my is the Associational arab La
Quebec aka the Quebec Maple Association. Real, I'm sure there
is one.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That's not the name of it. Okay, that does a
fictionalized name for the show.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I felt like that actual.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, so gets a little complex. So it was the
productors a product teases edicles do Quebec, the pp a
Q or the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers q MSP. They
(32:47):
do both in English and friends. Right, that's what it
is now, Okay. At the time of the hes, it
was Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers or Federation de
Productors as Sarah Cole's do Quebec. Okay, back then, that's
what it was. So it is still colloquially called the Federation.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Oh really funny, holy crap, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yes, So in the show they call it the Association. Yeah,
in real life, even though federation is no blunker in
the name.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But they still call it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They still call it the federation.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Because how can you let that go? There's just too
many jokes. They probably show up to meetings with like lightsabers,
you know, what.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I mean, it's fun light shapers that have like a
maple leaf.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Oh my god, like you know, like okay, when you
go like a laser show or a light show, and
there's some people selling all the fun light stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
The ones that you process when the thing spins.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, what if it's like a lightsaber but like has
maple leafs on it. Oh that's right, so cool they
could do that. Well, if you haven't thought of it yet,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, there you're giving away million dollar ideas.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I always did. I know.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So there really is a maple syrup reserve.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I mean that part was clear that it was really true.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yes, yes, And why the reason they did it because
when weather conditions are favorable, they can make a lot
more syrup than is needed by the market. Okay, and
it will depress prices, which makes it just basic economics. Right,
(34:44):
you have a lot and then you know you can
it'll drop the prices so that people will buy it
because there's a lot of it they have to get
rid of. So they created this reserve because the weather,
particularly sense to thousand ish, it is a lot more
unpredictable than it used to be true, and so there
(35:06):
will be years when they have like drought conditions or
not the right amount of like cold hours or whatever,
and they'll produce less. So they'll they've created this reserve
so when it's bountiful, they can basically keep the prices stable.
(35:27):
And if you if the weather's been really good, they
build up this reserve and then they release it into
the market when producers in that area can't create enough
to meet demand. So instead of high prices are low prices.
It's set at a pretty constant.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean that makes a lot of sense. Yes, I
didn't know you could soar easily. I mean because you know,
I get a bottle of it, of course I open
it the difference and then I have to put it
the fridge. But it's not actually the real stuff. It
does actually last a long time.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yes, and it's pasteurized what that's in the so but
because they pasturize that steal it, keep it in these
barrels in controlled conditions, it lasts for years.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, I mean, like because it so if you haven't
ever bought real maple syrup, right, you only need a little.
It's far different than like some of the other stuff
we buy, right, so it could it does have a
high sugar content, so you know, be aware. But when
you're using that, you need far less. Right.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's unlike the like you know you used to be
aunt Jemima.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Right right or whatever delicious it is, but like the
real Mabel syrup, it's just you need less to just
go as further on your right. You keep it in
there for a long time, right, and you know what,
don't grade B. I'm just telling you right now. Okay,
it's underrated. Hah, it's under grade b u. Huh.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's thinner, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yes, and spread it out a little bit it and.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It seeps into pancakes. So nice to I have to
tell you Grade B. Way to go.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
There really was a heist in twenty eleven and twenty twelve.
Now they made it look like there was one location
they did, right, Okay, there're actually three locations. Oh so
there's a huge two hundred and sixty seven thousand square
(37:38):
foot warehouse well like five football fields huge in Laurierville,
and then San Anton to Lily is also a facility,
and then Pleaseesville is the smallest of the three main
ones that they have. They do have very high security
(38:01):
at those three locations. So eight foot high security fence,
cameras watching everything, high tech special codes to get inside
all of that, because each barrel in December of twenty
twenty four is Canadian dollars about sixteen hundred almost seventeen
hundred dollars per making it four dollars a pound, ten
(38:26):
to eighteen times more valuable than crude oil. Wow, is
very expensive. We like our sarah, Yes, yes we do.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
This heist was because they had an overflow and they
rented another location that shared like walls with other locate
with other businesses, and that's how they were able to
get in. But they didn't employ all of their security measures.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Made it's right.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh my gosh, was going to get that get there.
They had to investigate this. They had what they called
fluorescent finger printing that was able to analyze maple syrup.
One percent of it was adulterated. They could tell, like,
so if you siphoned off just a little bit of
(39:19):
it and filled up the rest with water, they could tell,
oh dang, yeah, so you couldn't just water it down.
And it was notable because they had to have teamwork
between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police the Quebec Provincial Police
and the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement all worked together
(39:44):
to solve this particular high.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
School whoa would you said solve? Oh?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Oh, I don't know what it does in the show,
But in the in real life, they were able to
apprehend oh people, Oh yeah, oh yeah, like seventeen people
want to jail?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
What see? I knew it would take more people, a
lot of people. That's a big How did they even
get to the end of that seventeen people? Have you
ever tried to get seventeen people to do something?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I mean that's hard. I mean they should these It's
kind of like finding white hack No, finding black black
hat hackers is not to say, finding black hat hackers
and turning him into like, quote a white hack hack,
right right, Like when you find.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
To like organize the people of anonymous.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, like when you find people who are like actually
really good at this stuff, which clearly I mean, even
though they are apprehended, they were actually pretty good at it. Yes,
you know, and I'm like, those could be valuable individuals. Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But was this the first time that they had been burgled?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I guess not. No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
In two thousand and six, a thousand maple barrels worth
over one point three million Canadian dollars at another warehouse
were stolen.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
And then they still didn't be careful about it. Well,
I mean, how much can you do? Then nobody was well, right,
but I mean a thousand barrels is a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's a lot. I just don't know how Like if
you have people who are really determined and you have
all the security, yeah, that's really hard.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But they never apprehended anybody for that.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They're the on we need to put.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well, unless it was the same people and they just
they got cocky and weren't careful enough for a second time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I see, that's a sequel, that's a show.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's right. But they see they didn't employ more security
because they were compensated from insurance for the two thousand
and six heist.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh interesting, interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And adjusted for inflation, this is the most valuable heist
in Canadian history.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I mean, that's wild, right, I mean right, I didn't.
I would have never as much as I understand that
they are a producer of maple syrup. I think in
the United States we get very used to the fact
that each state kind of has their thing that they produce. Sure,
so I kind of think of different different commodities. But
when you think of the like the Canadian you know nation,
(42:31):
but that is something that you know because of their geography,
you know the topography of the area. You know, all
the vegetation they're able to produce across the entire like
a large swath, I should say.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And yet all of this is happening in Quebec. I
only the producers in Quebec are participating in this.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And that's very interesting. But it's just one smallest place.
But look at it, that's like that's an amazing amount, right,
you know, like Georgia does not produce that many peaches,
but still we peanuts. We will, We do produce a
lot of peanuts, Yeah, but I don't know that we
produce like where we need to have a reserve for
(43:14):
economic stability, right like the roadstade stands don't need worried.
That's just different unless there is and I just don't
know about it.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Gosh, what if there is, if there's a peanut reserve
or peach I mean, peach is harder, right because you
have to preserve them. I mean, not that you don't
have to preserve peach preserves me too.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Oh my gosh, pa oh oh, the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm just like, just open a can of peaches and
eat them right out.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean, just seriously, I love a peach. I just
eat it right right into it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, delicious. Yeah, Okay, Wow. Is the Debating crime family real?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I could see that it was built off like a stereotype.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, yes, but I have a theory. Oh oh oh,
this is actually like, you know, bordering on the nut.
Is it true? But I have a theory and maybe
it's true.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So it's a killer take.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah. There, there you go, a killer take. So the
Devaney crime family wasn't a like thing really, but Tom
Devaney was a New York mobster and an enforcer for
Mickey Splain oh and the Speline crime family in the
nineteen sixties and seventies. Okay, so were.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
They caught up in the Big Rego?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well, Tom Devaney died in nineteen seventy six, so he
probably wasn't alive, because that wasn't because that was It
wasn't until like the mid to late eighties that they
really started employing enco cases against the mob. But Tom
Devaney's death marked the beginning of the end for the
Spelene crime operations.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Interesting, So they weren't right.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I think my killer take is that they used
the name Devaney kind of as an homage to this.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Because crime family that that fizzled out, which if you
watch the rest of the series you can see their organization.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And so when you think of like the Rico cases
of the eighties and like the family, like the families
that we're all you know together, right, Yeah, I like it. Yeah,
I think you're I think you might have I don't know.
I think I think the creators of the show maybe
(45:53):
and let us know.
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You might learn a little something too. Psychology break so
having a loved one who is seriously ill is really
tough spot in God so yeah, debated as to whether
(46:40):
I should put this in psychology break or in our resources,
but health Talk has uh seven ways to cope with
the loved one's serious illness or injury. Injury. So Rose Wilson,
has a Masters of Social Work, said that it's like
getting a full time job that you didn't apply for
(47:02):
and you probably didn't get any training and it started abruptly.
So that's what it's like having a family member, loved
one who is seriously ill and you're suddenly like the caretaker.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Role, thrust into nursing school. Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, yeah, they have recommendations. Take care of yourself, making
your self care a priority, get enough sleep, try and
eat something relatively healthy, get some exercise, take a shower.
I know these are like normal daily life things, but
it can be really hard to do them.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Amazingly hard. Yeah, especially if you happen to have kids.
They're young at the time.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Right, Yes, really hard. And you know what self care
look like before your loved one had to diagnose this
and what it looks like after can be very different things.
So just recognize that and that's okay. Yeah, get away
for breaks if you can, even if that means just
like I'm gonna go home to sleep instead of sleeping
in the hospital, or I'm just going to go and
(48:05):
get coffee somewhere that is not in the hospital, even
if it's just half an hour, even if it's in
the hospital, Go into the coffee shop, go into the chapel,
go into a garden, and just getting away from it
all for a few minutes can be really really helpful.
Identify your support network, even if that's just people who
can be comforting to you. Get on the phone, talk
(48:27):
with them, get it out, do the think, ask for help.
And this one's really good. Help others help you. Make
a list of things that need to be done, and
then either you or someone you appoint you can refer
them to the list or to the person who has
the list, you know what, Yeah, so they can hand
(48:51):
out these are the things that can be done easily,
or these are the things that I need help with
and I had never thought to me, never ocurt to me.
Make lists of things you need to be done, need
to be done, so when somebody asks, you can actually
give them something.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, it's hard to do that. It is hard to
because it's just like in the beginning where we said
don't say how can I help, right, because it puts
the burden on the person. The list is the burden.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
It is a burden. But if it's a.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Long time situation, yeah, yeah, it can be helpful because
it's your worry list too, right, so it can impact
your sleep. So like, if it's your worry list about
all these things that have to get done that are
not getting done because you're barely surviving, making a list
is actually more like think of it, you journaling, and
(49:38):
then you give it to the person who can decipher that.
Your closest friends hopefully will just be able to understand
and know yes, and you hope that they can just
step in. But it's hard. It's hard, and you know
we've been there, both of us.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah and yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's just the
thing and if you think about it, like what are
the things I need to do? Okay, write these down
and let somebody else take care of them. Yeah, And
you know what the biggest help was was just feed
my kids. Yeah right, Like my kids were big, so
it wasn't a yeah, oh that's the situation. And I
(50:17):
was like, text my son, here's his phone number, ask
them what they want for dinner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Well, and today's world is great because you can send
Uber eats gift card or just gift card and say
hey Uber eats. You know, when I was going through it,
we didn't have that, So you know, biggest like word
of advice, don't don't bring pizza. I can do that
on my own. Yeah, don't bring Donald's. I can do
that on my own. You know, like, don't bring that
kind of stuff. It's the stuff that takes that thirty
(50:45):
minutes to cook, right that I may not have the
capacity for. The Other thing I'd add is exercise. Yes,
because I neglected it. Yeah, I neglected exercise.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
And it really can help clear your mind and fight depression.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
It can increase your immunity so that you're healthier. And
not to mention the fact that if you're in the hospital,
a bunch that hospital food actually has a lot more
calories and a lot more fat because it's made for
people who are either doctors and nurses who are like
go go go, go, go go go, or patients who
(51:22):
their bodies or like go go, go go go immunionize. Right, So,
like immunity takes a lot of effort. But if you
are a caregiver, right, you may be sedentary for a time. Yeah,
and you're not fighting actively fighting in infection or something
like that. That food is actually not good for you, right,
So don't eat the hospital food, get out, bring something else,
(51:45):
do exercise because that high caloric is actually not good
if you're the caregiver, right for that time, Yeah, for
that time, right?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, sure, unless you have like my husband did at
his hospital, which was so great. They had a like
way a salad and go which was so great that
because I could like pick stuff and they had like
a fish option that was a hot meal that you
could buy. It was so good. The food was really good.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
That's really I mean, it's really helpful. And you have that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Not everywhere has that.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Not everywhere has that. Also, you're hungry, so you want
the protein, but that protein is probably too much for you,
sure or not the protein, the fat and the caloric
is probably too much for you because you do need protein,
you see, lean protein.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Right, So it is it's just a battlest right, yes,
And all of these things affect your psychological well me right,
like eating properly, exercising, getting away from it for a
little bit. But that's why I chose to put it
here rather than in the real because it's hard.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Also, if you'll stick to the exercising, that bottle of
wine you drink at night before you go so much
easier metabolized. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
So Leonard, he's a monster. He's a monster. It turns
out some.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
People are just wired, though it is really frustrating, uh
learning mind dot com. Some people just have their brains
wired to take advantage of others. Oh, and this is disheartening,
but there are many people who will do anything to succeed,
(53:28):
and when somebody shows propensity for kindness or fairness, they
see that as an opportunity to take advantage to exploit them,
rather than this is a good way to live. And
they call these people Machiavelians. Oh yeah, there we go,
and that when they see somebody showing signs of being cooperative,
(53:53):
their brains went into overdrive as to how can I
exploit this situation. I think that's what we have with Leonard.
And this is a fictional character. I'm gonna call him
a Machiavelian.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, And so they did this whole thing where they
had a small amount of money that the participants in
the study could either be fair with or be or
take advantage with. And they went it went back and forth.
And here's the frustrating thing, the Machiavellian propensity. Those people
(54:28):
ended up with more money at the end. It's really frustrating.
They're the monopoly winners, yes they are, that's right. And uh,
they tend to suppress an emotional reaction and tend to
take advantage of any misguided step that somebody else takes.
(54:50):
And they just don't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
About it, no, because they see it all as a game.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Right, yes, And it's just frustrating that there. It's just
a lot of people, yeah, real life. Oh no, So
Orville's phone plays La Cucaracha as the ring tone. And
(55:14):
I've really never had any curiosity about that song until now. None.
Just it's a you know, it's the song lakucha. Yeah, yeah,
I did not know it is. I knew it was
a folk song, right, a Mexican folks song. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but it's about a cockroach who cannot walk.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Oh well, of course, well of course if you think
of the name. Yeah, yeah, but I know.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
The English me either, the English translation is the cockroach.
The cockroach can no longer walk because she doesn't have
because she lacks the two hind legs to walk. That's
the that's the English translation of it.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
So much worse than it feels when you're.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Well, And yes, exactly, but the origins of it are obscure.
We have don't really know the origins of it. But
it gets used as sociological and political fight song almost
like it gets adapted over and over and we don't
(56:23):
know exactly where it came from, but you can tell
the version where the versions of it came from, because
they refer to certain things in particular. And but it's
the tune is so like catchy, and we know it's
so well known that it's easy to make up your
own lyrics to it to suit whatever.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
So interesting, yeah, which I'm like, oh that's cool, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Cool. I'd never thought about garage is anything other than
just like this is what they say, you know when
you this.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Is like everywhere anywhere, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
It everywhere you go to a kingsanera or a wedding
for anybody who's Mexican, you're gonna hear Laku Garacha and
the chicken dans. Yeah, for sure those are the Yeah. Sure,
if they're playing a poka, they're probably playing luku garacha. Yeah,
it's true. Yeah. So the Reserve, despite stabilizing the market
(57:23):
for maple syrup, maybe backfire a little bet.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Oh to tell.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
So, Quebec provided about seventy ish percent of the syrup
supply in twenty twenty, and that's down from a about
eighty percent in the years prior to that, Like for
a ten year period, they basically lost Like well, Canada
(57:53):
as a whole provides about seventy seven percent of the
global maple syrup supply and about ninety percent of that
comes from Quebec. Wow, but they have lost the Quebec stronghold.
It's down to like seventy percent of the world's.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Stepped up, So.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
We'll get there. So the Federation has this really tight control.
They're a private organization, but the provincial government in Quebec
allows them to use law enforcement to enforce their rules.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
What oh wow.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
They basically and if you were a maple producer in Quebec,
you don't have any option other than to sell to
the federation. What if you sell to supermarkets or restaurants
directly you have to pay a fourteen cent per pound
fee to the federation. And the only way they can
(59:02):
get around that is that they sell directly to the consumer.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
But if it's a.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Large farm that is a minuscule amount, like they can
have like a little stand and sell without having to
pay the federation.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
But that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's like hardly anything. They set quotas. You have to
provide a certain amount and they'll only sell a certain
amount per year, and if you don't meet your quota
you can be fined. If you produce more than your quota,
you still have to give it to the federation, but
(59:39):
they don't pay you until they sell it. What that's how,
that's how, that's how they build the reserve.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
Ah, I have thought that.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
I mean, is it working?
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Wow? Are the farmer's taken care of? Is the market stable?
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Well, it has stabilized the prices since this went into
effect in two thousand and four at near historic Highes,
So it has stabilized the market. But because these rules
are so strict, it has created a huge black market.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Oh oh oh, I was about to say, I was
about to say a blockade to new farmer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Oh well, because if you don't live in Quebec, you're
not under the purview of the federation, right, And so
now people are starting to realize, oh, maybe I don't
have to have my farm in Quebec. Maybe because there
are maple trees all over Canada. I'll I'll just build
(01:00:52):
a farm. I'll just buy some land and put my
farm somewhere else, and then you don't have to pay
the federation. And the production has increased since the federation,
but in Quebec it's increased the least amount of anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yes. In addition, in Quebec about fifty percent of the
trees that can be tapped or tapped. Oh, in Vermont
it's five percent.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Okay, so Vermont, that's where I've had my maple syrup from.
Uh huh bring farm up there. Yeah, that's amazing, delicious,
uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
So they by no, they're kind of shooting themselves in
the foot a little bit. Like they've done a good
job of like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Stabilizing these prices.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
In order to protect their farmers, but also but also
they're making it so it's true, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Mean for the United States and I get trade maybe yeah,
or tenuus that it used to beat. Sure, but yeah,
but my last bo came from a place in Vermont, right,
and like yeah, like like right north of montfailiure.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Right, So it's this like kind of tenuous thing. Now,
it's good for the farmers because it's stabilized it. It's
also good for the farmers because if they need a loan,
they can typically get it if they're participating it with
the federation because the Federation they know that all of
their stock is going to get bought up to their quota,
(01:02:30):
and anything above that will be money coming in later
because they're going to sell from the reserve. Right, So
if you need a loan as a farmer in Quebec,
it's easier to get a loan there because they know
the Federation is going to support you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
But they've also been called the Opec of maple syrup.
So there we go. There we go, all right. So
on a final note, a lighter note, Denny calls Mike
the Mobster a candy ass. Hold up just a minute,
(01:03:09):
bucko because the rock owns that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh, I mean a little bit right, not even just
a little bit right.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So in February of twenty twenty four, at least when
it comes to merch that has anything to do with
the WWE, if it says candy Ass or Jabbroni Dune
the Rock Johnson now owns them. Nice, so good for him.
He basically joined the parent company TKO Group Holdings, Oh,
(01:03:44):
on the board of directors, and part of his joining
that was that he got the rights to his signature sings. Yeah,
his signature sayings within the WWE. So if you're going
to have the words candy ass anywhere that has any
sort of affiliation with a WWE have to get.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
An accusation or using it as a right.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Exactly as as a what do you call it, like
a slur or I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Know, like it was like a trash talk.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yes exactly. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Dwayne the Rock Johnson owns it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Good for you, buddy, you're good and I like you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
He also owns rock Nation, the Samoa, Sensation, Rock Apocalypse,
any of those names that were.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Smelling with his eyebrow.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Good, that's interesting that he owns that. Yes, that's really funny.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I was like, hold up buck, Oh, you don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, but you know what, The Rock just made money,
so maybe not because it doesn't have anything to do
with wrestling, so he he really only.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Owns it when it has to do with wrestling.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I don't know he was using I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, but the term candy ass has been around since
I know, forever, right forever. The sixties is when it
was like officially like became as.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Ridiculous candy is delicious. That's of course in the In
this situation, though, candy ass was very much more personal.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Oh right, exactly because it had to do with maple
syrup and very sweet.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Because Mike is called lollipop.
Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Oh in his organization, he's called Lollipops and there's reasons
for this, but his nickname in the family is lollipop.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So when he calls him candy ass, there is something
much more personal at steak here when he calls him that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Okay, so fun cool next time, Uh German Dexter. This
show is a German mobster finds some work life balance
and murder mindfully, which has recently come on Nutflix. I
can't wait. So it's gonna be so yeah, it's gonna
(01:06:08):
be fun and it's funny and we're coming up on
our spring break with our families, our kids and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Like so because by the way, we're in Texas. Uh huh.
Zoe's spring break actually is in March, yeah, which is
more than you or I should say, earlier than most
of the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
But where we're about ready for.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Our we are like, well, we're hitting the eighties, so like.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We're ready to open that like tawdry book and get
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Oh, that's right, it feels like spring especially do allergies.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
True.
Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
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