Penance - When No One Sees Us

Guilt - religious or otherwise - can encourage people to make drastic choices. In When No One Sees Us, people are making some CHOICES! Holy Week, the US Armed Forces, Spanish police, pink cocaine and a whole bunch of guilt converge in unexpected ways.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome back to Killer Fund, where we explore the intersection
of crime and entertainment every other week. I'm Christy and
I'm Jackie and today today we are talking about HBO's
multicultural show, their first really big one, When No One
Sees Us. This is good.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's an interesting title.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeh, well we'll get to that you guys.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Stepa, I do.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
It's interesting enough that I had to mention it's an
interesting title.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Uh huh, right, and I okay. So I had watched
everything that was out up until I had caught up,
which now there's another episode out, but I'm having gone
back to watch it. Yeah, there's been other things happening,
but it was good. And I still don't know why
it's called When No One Sees Us. Yeah, Like I

(00:59):
have ideas, but I feel like it's all going to
come together in I think there's eight episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
There's at least eight out.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I know there's yes, the eighth one came out. I
watched to the end of episode seven. I don't know
if that's the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I mean eight episodes, yeah, because the other one came
out on the twenty fifth, But I don't see online
where there's like a episodes are coming right kind of thing,
and you know these streaming eight episodes is not uncommon.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Right, and I think, and it is a limited series,
and yeah, all of that, but it is really well acted.
It's kind of understated acting, but it's really well done.
So let's talk about the cast. Yes, yeah, Mariella Carriga
is Magli Castillo. She is the US Army special agent.

(01:52):
She's been in Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part one. N
cis Marabelle Verd is Lucia Gutierrez. She was in Pan's
Labyrinth all the way back in two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I never saw that.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I never did either, but I'm like, well, because it
was scary.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh I don't know, I remember hearing about it, Okay,
so I don't really, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was the one I don't know, if you had
this creepy looking person with eyes in their hands.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I never watched it because I was not am I
sometimes I do, but I mean that's been in two
thousand and six, like not at.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
All, Okay, but that particular image where body parts are
in another body part.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You don't like that, not particularly the opening of Severance.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh yeah, no, I don't like that.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
You watch it until the end when there's a body
part in a body part.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, yeah, right, the body part in a body
part that doesn't belong.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yes, and I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
So I can see.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I remember seeing the cover of this. I mean this
is two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I was in Korea.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, so, but I remember seeing this because people thought
I should watch it because Labyrinth is my favorite movie.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I was like, this is this is.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Not that, this is not that. This is a horror movie.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yes, and so yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyways, I didn't
watch that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I maybe maybe I would like it.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah. She was also in The Flash. Oh just in
twenty twenty three. Austin Emilio is Andrew Taylor. He's been
in something we've talked about before, Hitman. Oh yeah, yeah,
and he was in The Walking Dead and Fear the
Walking Dead. He's definitely got got that look like he's

(03:41):
gonna survive well in the Apocalypse. You know, some people
just you can tell they're gonna they're gonna do well.
And I'm not one of those people. I'm gonna die
early in the Apocalypse, probably by my own hand. I'm
not living I'm not living through was the Apocalypse. It's

(04:01):
just not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And I'm kind of like, I think I could take
a zombie as a pet. I think I can do that.
I can do that.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It doesn't surprise me at all. No, No, I love
you and I will watch you from this guy.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Ben Temple is Seamus Hoopin at the colonel at the
Air Force Base. He's done lots of Spanish and international
TV and I realized, I'm like, he did such a
good job with his American accent. His English is impeccable
and his American accent is wonderful, because I was shocked

(04:43):
that he had not been in hardly anything that's in English,
and he was playing an American.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Right, but he was born American? Yeah, right, so I
think maybe maybe family is where he gets the skilled practice,
you know what I mean. But yeah, no, it was
he he played that role like for digit Yeah, like yeah,
his whole demeanor ooh ooh, ooh, creepy, the creepy looks.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know, I have to admit, you know, I can't
help it.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think ahead, Yeah, and I meet him and I go, oh,
he's the one.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I don't know if he's the one.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Oh okay, he's doing something that's not right, and either
he's doing the thing that's not right that we're trying
to figure out, or he's doing something else it's.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Not right and it's a red herring.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yes, exactly, he's doing something not right.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You can absolutely tell him.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's super fair and I know, but I'm not going
to say, oh good recap. Boy, does this show start
in a baffling manner?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
It really does.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
One man harms himself fatally and another man watches creepily
dressed people float into the sky. There's a lot going
on here. We quickly learn that these are not the
only strange events happening during Holy Week just before Easter.
In March of twenty twenty four, in the town of

(06:07):
Moron de la Frontera in Spain, a high level it
airmen in the US Armed Forces has also gone missing.
Miss Yes. So we follow Lieutenant Maglie Castillo, who's from
the Office of Special Investigations, and Corporal Lucia Gutierrez of

(06:29):
the Spanish Civil Guard as they collaborate and find that
these seemingly unrelated cases have a lot more in common
than it first appears. Yes, I had some thoughts.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh, I bet you did.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, so Antonio who hurts himself in that beautiful Japanese garden, Like, dude,
that is a really gorgeous garden. There are a lot
of things other than die that I want to do
in that garden. Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's a beautiful
place to die, but dying is probably at the bottom

(07:06):
of the lost of all the things.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, exactly, I had the same kind of thought. I
was kind of like, that ain't fair.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I know, it's so beautiful and you're messing up.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm like a little gratitude MTA helped you a little bit.
But clearly there's other stuff, clearly.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
But also it took him hours to die. That was
on purpose, I know. And I'm like the self loathing
that he must have had, I know. And then also
I'm like, did he not like his long term housekeeper?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Because he had to know she was going to be
the one to find his grisly death.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Men don't care. That's documented.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's a gender difference in Unfortunately this situation that in general,
gender roles come into play where men will use more
violent tactics.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like a firearm or I don't know, gutting yourself. Rather,
women will.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Tend to be concerned about who will find them and
what the mess will be like and what the aftermath,
and so they try to use means that mimic natural
death a little bit poison and things have that sort
or if they do something like you know, unfortunately with
your blood, right, and they that's where that trope of
the bathtub comes.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
In, right, because because you can just open.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Up th yes, because it's easier to clean at least,
And so it is interesting because you don't have to
teach on this. I have to like teach students, right,
this thing, you know, And I always tell people, I'm like,
for the women, you know, especially that are by themselves
and want to be concerned about their loved ones finding them, I'm.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like, well, what I heard you say is that you
have loved ones.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh oh yeah, what I heard you say is that
there's people who would be hurt and you're trying to
mitigate that.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So let's say that again until it sinks in.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, let's let's say that again until you realize is
that this is probably not the.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Answer, not a good idea.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
But then on the flip side, we talk about the
fact that this is why, you know, because actually, unfortunately,
self harm is often more impulsive than we think, less planned,
which is why when somebody is in a state of
mind that is just detached from a grounded reality, we
don't want them to have access to the means, right, Right,
They already have the motive because of whatever's going on.

(09:25):
If you give them the opportunity, right then that might
be a really dark time, but you hope that they
reach out and or that they walk through it. But
if you give them the means, right, changes the whole paradigm.
So for men, which is why they have a higher
rate of this instance, we don't want to give them
the means because it's.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Too fast and they can't change the mind, right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, So the drummer in the procession, Yeah, he was
acting altered for a while for a while, and I
was like, my understanding of these processions is that it's
an honor to be included, right, Like, so this had

(10:12):
to be a typical behavior for him, right, the how
altered he was behaving in this drum processional behind a
you know, big religious theme statue, right, Yeah, Like I'm
just always floored at what really religious people will ignore.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, oh, there's the title.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
There we go. I didn't even make the connection. I
was like, religious people will ignore a lot when it
suits them, and there you go. That's exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
No one sees us. No one saw him devolving.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Right because they didn't want to, because because they needed him.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
They only cared once he messed up the beat, So
once the performance wasn't correct, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I found mistake.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Tell me.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay. So the missing IT guy was Sergeant Miles Johnson.
And you see like a dossier personnel file on him, right,
and we see that he's a sergeant, he's from Kansas,
he's forty six, and we know that the events are

(11:23):
taking place in March of twenty twenty four, during Holy Week,
right before Easter. It literally says that right there. His
birth date is listed in his personnel file as September
twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
What would have.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Made him twenty seven years old. He was forty six
years old. And when you see him later on in
the show, you do, like see him in flashbacks, he
is clearly not a twenty seven year old man.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
They were probably not expecting anybody to see see this
personnel file and freeze, frame it and read everything on it.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right. See, this is why you don't date your your stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
If you wanted to live forever, don't date it right
exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, Or like, if you're going to give us a date,
pay attention to all the dates, all the dates that
are on screen, whether you think people are going to
see it or not.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yes, yes, just act like your show is going to
be the biggest.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Hit every and everybody is going to be examining every
little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Mm hmm yep. And I'm not sure why Maggalie can't
drive herself around ran but it makes me suspicious, it does.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's what I had an eye on that guy. Huh. Oh,
she's not they can't give it, oh si officer a car? Yeah,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I mean what I would understand it if they were paaring,
if she didn't speak Spanish and they were pairing her
up with somebody who did. But that's not but that's
not She was born in Cuba, she.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Spokes that may not language, it may not be Castilian, right,
they can still communicate, right, So I mean, yeah, no,
it made no sense at all, and you could see
it on her face, like Okay. She asked the question,
and she accepted the answer, right, but her little investigative
mine was like check, like, what is happening here?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, my last thought. So the guy with the bleeding
eyes was also in the processional with the guy with
the drums. He's in the hospital and his mom says.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
He had a divine vision, And I was like, well.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I guess people have been using drugs to have a
connection to the divine in a lot of cultures for
a really long time. So I'm just gonna let her
have it.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Let her have it. I thought.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I had a thought about that too, and it's because
it's because of the blood and the eye. Because the
only documented, well not the only technically, but the only
like widely documented individuals who have ever bleed from the
eyes as part of a death that wasn't very like
directly connected to like.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, Ebola was Jesus.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
So the fact that this is Holy Week and he
dies with blood coming down.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
He didn't even die, right, yeah, you know what, he
had these weird visions, he had bleeding from the eyes.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, Like this is a type of a type of
religious experience to mimic the suffering of Jesus, right.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So it's a stigmata.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
So the bleeding, so she's going to think that it's
holy weak and he's crying blood.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
That's a stigmata, right, and seeing things that other people
didn't see, yeah, right, which.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Is you know fine, but also Ebola will make you
do that, so let's be grounded, right for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
It was basically filmed on location. It looks I mean
absolutely gorgeous and really only shortly before when the events
were supposed to be taking place. They started filming in
Madrid in February twenty twenty four, and it was filmed

(15:20):
in Spain. We assume that they must have had some
cooperation from organizations in the area because those statues would
have been incredibly expensive to reproduce. So I'm assuming that
they had some cooperation that I couldn't find that because
it's overseas, because it's kind of a it's a major

(15:41):
title on HBO, but it's not a major title, right.
It's like this is their first foray into having an
international presence, right, and they're not as versed in it
as like say Netflix is, so there's not quite as

(16:01):
much out about it that makes sense, And it's based
on a book as they all are. I mean right,
it's by Sergio Sia and it's called Kuano nadi no
svee when nobody sees us, So when no one sees
us or when nobody sees us, it's just a choice

(16:24):
in translation. But it was not translated into English when
they optioned the book to make it into a series,
and they were hopeful that the series would be big
enough that he would get a translation into English.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Did he did?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
He?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Did he? Not?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
That I've seen not yet come, So I hope, So,
I hope.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So, yeah, I feel like this would be a book
I would get into very.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Quackous uh huh, right, yes, with the like pseudo religious.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
And stuff on the investigations. I just feel like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Great, yep.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
So resources for this episode. So Lucia's mother Carmen is
clearly in the early stages of dementia. I mean you
see that really in the first episode and much more
as you go along. So I thought that would be
a good place to have some resources. So alz dot Org,

(17:22):
so the Alzheimer's Association has lots of information, especially early
stage caregiving is really really important. They need you less,
but they need you just as much and in a
different way. Right, So you really have a lot of
opportunities in the early stages of dementia that you don't

(17:43):
have later. You can make choices about legal, financial, and
long term care planning with the person who's actually affected,
like they can still help make choices about what they
want for their future. Right, that's the time to really
work with them on it, and they can stay really

(18:06):
independent for a long time. It can last years and
they can remain pretty independent. They may need some guidance
and care, but it's not this horrible thing that it
once was. There's new medications coming out all the time.
There's trials, different options of things, and they might need

(18:27):
coping strategies or new ways of doing things that they've
always done to help them. You do want to make
sure that they're safe. So whatever activities they're involved in,
you want to make sure that they're not an immediate
risk of harming themselves in any way, and if they're not,

(18:49):
give them encouragement and let them do it. Supervisors needed
driving and stuff like that. They can still do some
of that in the early stages if they have a
good routine, but you know, you need to make sure
you're going with them on a regular basis, so that
if they start getting lost, you can you know, right,

(19:13):
you do want to avoid stress. You want to provide
activities that are less likely to be stressful for them,
and that help can help them stay clear headed longer,
make positive assumptions about what they're capable of doing until
you're sure that they can't. Right, and talk with them.

(19:36):
You know what, I see that you're frustrated with this
activity that didn't used to be frustrating. Let's talk about
do we need to move it off your plate? Do
we need to change the way we do it? Those
kinds of things can be really really helpful. And you
as a caregiver or care partner, however, you're talking about
that it's normal to go through a lot of emotions.

(20:00):
And they even say that denial can be a healthy
copy mechanism at the beginning to like give you time
to process it. Yeah, but you can't sit in that
denial for too long. You really need to accept it
because again, you do have these decisions that are better
made earlier then later you might be fearful about the future.

(20:25):
It might be stressful or anxiety inducing to think about
what's going on. You might be angry, you might have
some depression or grief about it. Seek professional counseling for
yourself as a caretaker to be really helpful. And then
you want to encourage the person with to mention to
really live well, eat healthy, exercise, and have a daily

(20:50):
routine is really really important. So my father in law
stayed with us. We were kind of respite care. He
lived with my sister in law mostly, but he come
and stay with us fairly frequently when he was kind
of in these earlier stages of dementia, and so my
kids were pretty little, so they still had a pretty

(21:11):
strict routine, so it was really easy to kind of
incorporate a normal routine for him. Every single day. Everybody
got up about the same time every day. Everybody went
to bed about the same time every day, you know,
not on weekends, but weekdays, everybody you know got up
and they went to work or school. And yeah, so
he was We were able to create a routine for him,

(21:33):
and that really did work for a long time. And
then you know, they have lots of resources. There are
lots of resources for caregivers out there and for family members.
So there's the family Caregiver Alliance, which is caregiver dot org,
and they have lots of information, lots of resources. You

(21:55):
can find stuff in your area. There's the Alzheimer's Disease
Education and Referral Center. Now that's a National Institute of Health,
a government agency, so I don't know how long that
resource will be available for people, but it's a good
place to check. And the Eldercare Locator is also a

(22:19):
government resource, but it's a good place to check and
start and have an idea of what's going on. And
then of course the Alzheimer's Association alz dot org has
lots and lots of information. They also have a safe
return program, so it's a small fee and it's kind

(22:41):
of they don't put a microchip in people. I'm gonna
say that right here, but it's sort of like the
same it's sort of like the same kind of process
as microchipping your doc.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's kind of like life three sixty.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, you know what I mean. It's not quite that
advanced because a person with Alzheimer's may or may not
have their phone, but they do have like a bracelet
they wear with something that can be scanned or.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like permanente jewelry though that they can't, right, yes.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yes, so that you can help find them, which is
so sad to say, but it is true.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But it's really important because is the thing that you
do when when you get to the later stages, you
do have to worry about people wandering and not knowing
where they are.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
And I think it's hard because the stages changed.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Unlike milestones with children, where you're anticipating it, you don't
know when the stage.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Is coming, right, you know, and it can come really rapidly.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
It can.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I mean like even today, I was in a dance
class and a friend had to take a call and
you know, she's got an elder elderly grandma at home
and they take care or whatever. She comes back again,
you know, and she makes the joke, but we all
get it.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
But she's like.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Her rear end is going to memory care today, right,
because but they are like because of her particular career,
she's very well versed in this, but she understands. Yeah,
it switches, and you have to you have to kind
of think what am I going to do when this switches?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Right when the season uh huh? Because then you do
actually kind of have to have a plan.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Uh huh exactly, and that those are the kind of
plans that you want to like put in place when
they can still help you make those choices. Yes, so,
and there's a lot of like a lot of memory
care places have waiting lists, so you you should put
your name or your loved one's name on the waiting

(24:38):
list sooner rather than later, because they can call you
up and say we have a space and you can
say I'm not ready for it yet, and they'll just
move you down the left right and they'll call the
next personal list. So if they get to you and
you're not ready, they understand you can tell them no,
but you got to understand also that it may not

(24:58):
come at the time when you're ready for it.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Also, that is a plug for some of the it's
more privatized companies but that are doing the independent living,
the assisted living, and then.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
The memory care. Memory care is for those who are
doing through some sort of dementia.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
So moving them into assisted living, talking about this option,
because then they can move to memory care so much
more easily, sure, and they get the chance to set
up their own space, you know, and enjoy life, you know.
But also if you have to move somebody into memory
care after the primary decision was to stay at home.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's okay, Yes, you can do that.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yes, and I promise they will not be as miserable
as they think they were going to be.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, when they were loocid and making it, it was.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
More a lot of people are like, oh my god,
I just rather stay at home, right, Like, of course anybody.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Would, right, most people would.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
But it's okay to make the right care giving decision
for you for them, because you know what, it takes
more than a lot of people have skill for.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well, it's skill, it's time. Its memory care is very expensive,
it just is. But it's also often the best place
for them where your fuse might be a little short
for your family member, especially if it's been years of caregiving. Yep,

(26:21):
when you have people who this is their profession and
they don't have they can check out at the end
of the day and go home.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, it's better and you can go visit. So like
looking around and.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Finding out what spaces are near you so that you
can prepare for that and you know it's important and
you know what, also insurance thinking about it early, does
this run in your family? Yeah, maybe this is insurance
you want to pay for right for long term care,
because then it makes available so many more memory care
centers that are privatized, that take insurance, that provide.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Such a higher quality of life.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Sure, and you know they're in a small like studio apartment.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's college stuff. Oh right, but you can go visit,
you can go hang out, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
And so when they have their lower lucid moments and
there's things to do, and you know, those are hard
to think about, that's hard to think about it.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It is important, it's so important.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So here's how it works. Christie erects her search history. Hey,
an essay.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
We promise it's nothing more nefarious than a podcast to
find out what's true some of the psychological motivations behind
the character's actions and real life applications that relate to
our topic. I have no idea what Christy decided to
look up could be the same thing that captured my
curiosity or something I never thought of.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Is it true?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Okay, hmmm, no, but yes, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's not true, but in a lot of ways it's accurate.
So the story is entirely fictional, right, the setting that
it's in is not I mean yeah, right, like this
is a real place and.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Holy we exist.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
And the idea that people have visions experienced supernatural things
stigmatas right, who endeavor to experience the suffering of Christ?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Uh huh?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Very real?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yes, absolutely. Moron de la Frontera is a small town
in the southeast of Spain, near Seville. It's a very
very old town. It goes back to prehistory. Much of
the architecture is in the Spanish National Heritage listing system

(28:37):
that they have. Their economy is largely construction, olive oil
yes please, yes, please, cereals and preserved vegetables. Tourism is
kind of a low priority for their economy. However, during
Easter Week they do have these processions and they do

(29:02):
draw from within Spain and neighboring countries as well, primarily Catholic.
They draw in tourism mainly for that week, and the
Nazarene procession of penitence happens all week and it's a
real thing, and they really are done by the brotherhoods.

(29:24):
They're public associations of the faithful in that area. By
twenty nineteen, there were about one hundred and twenty five
different brotherhoods active in that area. Now. Primarily what they
do is these Holy Week processions. That is their primary objective.

(29:45):
It's a penitence ritual that they're doing in Holy Week.
In Spain. The Nazarene or Nazarino as they are called
in Spanish, is this co fraternity of people. It used
to only be men. It's still largely men, but the
women are less excluded from these things now than they

(30:08):
used to be. They're not all super religious people anymore.
Many of them are very religious, but it's also kind
of a family tradition to join these brotherhoods and participate.
So even if you have people who are you know,
the creastures they go on Christmas and Easter, they still
might participate in this sort of thing because it's been

(30:31):
done and it really is like an honor to be
chosen as part of it, because it's a very rigorous
and prolonged street performance.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Right, which is why when we see people self harm,
uh huh, we see it as a pendant, right, that's
the stigmata, right, but also the idea that they are
creating that they are trying to feel the suffering or
to suffer themselves for their sins.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right such, to make up for whatever it is they
feel like they've done Yeah, it's exactly what Antonio was doing,
but he was doing it not within the bounds of Christianity.
But also kind of because it's kind of the same.
It's the same.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Week, it's it's the week. It's definitely all of the things.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Uh huh, you know, right, But it's interesting to see
it as like that. It does cross cultural boundaries as well.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's sort of an archetypal sort of situation. I've done
something wrong. I need to suffer to make it right.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
That many religions have that right, not all, but many,
but many.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah. And you know modern air Base, yes, right, is
a real next thing.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yes, and it does have the four hundred and ninety
sixth is right there. It was established in nineteen fifty
three along with some other Spanish American air bases in
the wake of World War Two. It's a pre it's
kind of a small base, like they have a lot

(32:10):
there's not a lot of active duty there, one hundred
ish and then they've got like some people who come
in and out and come through, and then a fair
bit of local people working there. But there's not a
large speaking English contingent in that area. So if you
were you were going to want to learn some Spanish, yeah, before.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Because it's a mission like well, I hate to say this,
but we would say it's bfie, like in the middle
of nowhere, right, yeah, I mean there are towns around there,
but like there's only two bases in Spain.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Right, so you've got Myron and you've got Rota and
those are air naval right, that's it exactly. I mean
they're smaller, they're not like going to other places where
like the English.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's a pass through kind of place and there's not
enough of a US American presence there for them to
learn a lot of English. Though they tend to be
friendly and we'll try and help you, but they're not
probably gonna speak but it's a small place. The Hotel
Fronterra at Moron Air Force Base is I could not

(33:17):
find any indication that they filmed on the base, but
they had to have. Okay, so Mike's exactly like it.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
My husband watched it with me the first episode, yeah,
and he was like, they got no thing wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
No, it is perfect. It's not exactly like it.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean, I can't imagine they got I also, I
mean it looks like billeting.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And then like even when you look in the room,
it looks like billeting.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Even even my husband was like.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Wow, uh huh Okay, yeah, again, like I think they
must have had some cooperation I think with the area,
because to recreate that would be prohibitively expensive.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Cheez yeah, right, Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean, and especially for like the brief amount of
time that you see it, you don't see it very much.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
I mean it's one establishing shot that gets used multiple
times kind of you know, yes, but like it was
pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Yeah. And of course you
know this. The Armed Forces Network is a real thing.
They do have radio stations near air bases all over
the world. All bases, yes, all bases have them, Yes,
And they're a particular lifeline for those people who are
stationed outside of the United States where there might not

(34:36):
otherwise be English speaking radio station.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
So my husband was Hafen Yep in Korea and he
had well, he had the morning show and he had
the mid midday show.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
When he was in the midday show, it was the
Ken Ramondi Show. Oh nice, there you go. You can
look it up.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's pretty crazy nice and.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
His tagline was basically, he has somebody who had this
very dull sort of timber which was kind of just
darkly funny. Huh, just go, it's my favorite radio station
because they speak English. Now, what's really funny is that
almost everybody in Korea seemed to speak English. But also

(35:17):
it was very funny, and it was it was brought
They do regional so that's a regional broadcast.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So yeah, AFN.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Real thing, that's right, And it was established in May
of nineteen forty two. Yes, the AFN station is the Eagle.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
The Eagle that's Korea, that's Asian.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, it's also that in Spain as well. And the
naval station has one O two point five FM and
Moran Airbase has ninety two point one. It's the same
station for both of them.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yes, so we were the Eagle in Korea as well.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's fun and yeah, and people always make this mistake
because it used to.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Be Armed for network, but now it's American forcestemwork, you know.
And it is a joint base.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, so I mean you get people from different different
branches coming together in that whole career field.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yes, it's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
The Civil Guard, of course, is real because it's the
Spanish police. It was established in eighteen forty four and
it used to be commanded by a lieutenant general of
the army, but they have since pulled it since nineteen
eighty six. It's its own civilian director general that runs

(36:37):
the Civil Guard. But it kind of retains some of
the way they dress their uniforms and stuff. Are It
kind of retains some of that military like, but is
separate from the military. Now have you heard of pink cocaine?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
I mean they said this, in my brain was like, ooh,
is this going to be like a breaking bad situation.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I was like, okay, I'd rather just focus on the
whole pink cocaine situation, I mean right.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Now, like that I care about.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
That is another story that I would like to hear about.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, please, I mean it had all the drugs.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Huh okay, And they called it to C. Pink cocaine's
a real thing and C really is a like a
regional nickname for it in some places.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
And it does produce mind altering hallucinogen I mean right, well,
because it's based on a psychedelic called to c B. Right,
that's what the original pink cocaine was, and that became
hard to get, so then they started like mixing stuff

(37:53):
with it, and then they would put a little dye
in it to make it paink Oh my god, right,
because the to c B stuff was pink, and then
they wanted to replicate it because it kept became hard
to get, so they put dye in it. Sometimes they
put like it might taste like strawberries because they'll mix

(38:15):
like kool aid powder and stuff in it, right, like
to give it the right color and to and then
that gets this like but.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Like from the report they came, it had all the drugs.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
The downers all of the things.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Sometimes it has cocaine in it. More often than not
it has no cocaine in it, but it's what it's
got MDMA kindamine, yeah, methamphetamines, fentanyl.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Cannabis, even cannabis. I'm like, that doesn't all come.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I'm like, just take coyote, right, can we just just well.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Organically yeah, anyway, but yeah, it's in the US. According
to the DEA, it's not a highly traffic substance yet,
but it is becoming more common. So they're a little
like on the forward leading edge of it. Good job
and a good job, good job in the show. But also,

(39:17):
don't take don't take that.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
There are so many natural things you can do. You
know what you can do. You can go jogging.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh yeah, your brain will create the same molecules as
cannabis if you'll just jog. That's what we call the
runners high.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's actually a joggers. It's a jogger, right, Like, it's
just persistence. At a moderate level.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Your brain will literally create the same molecules at cannabis mimics.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
At least cannabis is natural.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And at least can't place by all means.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I mean, meth antetamines is made from like if you
watch Breaking Bad and you see all the like aluminum
and crap that they.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Do, like that I mean is awful.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I mean it has a therapeutic benefit for some people,
a small amount of people. Yeah, like, but like seriously,
don't take it recreditional.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
And honestly like for I mean, all the new studies
we're doing in the microdosing really is focused on more
of the LSD like the mushrooms and the hallucinoges, because
that's butter than the amphetamines. Right, if you have ADHD,
please get yourself prescribed adderall a riddlin please like just
you know, like, but.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
It's right for you. There's all kinds of and that's
the thing, you know, for I was just listening on
NPR the other day and they were talking about, you know,
how it used to be they told every kid who
had ADHD to get on riddlin, And now they're like,
that might be right for some people, but there's actually
lots of other things that you can other interventions that

(40:50):
you can take before you resort to that that can
really be helpful. And it's more of an occupational therapy thing. Yeah,
and then Antonio as part of his online life for
a mask of course, and masks are very indicative of
Japanese culture and widely used. They're very ancient part of

(41:13):
their culture. They are often used in theater, which is
kind of what Antonio was doing a little bit. He
was doing some sort of theater where he was kind
of performing online. They can represent gods, demons, animals, characters
from Japanese mythology. They can depict emotions or nature. I

(41:38):
couldn't find the specific mask that they wore, but they
were often meant to like protect the actors from evil spirits,
not only to help the audience understand what was happening,
but also to protect the actors, which I thought was
kind of interesting. And they are often made out of

(42:00):
wood and very intricate. The one that Antonio wore was
a little more plain, but they do. They can be
pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean, okay, I can't, I can't, I can't, I
have to. I'm so sorry. I loved the mask.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh with Jim Carrey, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
See, I loved the mask because when the mask was off,
he was just a normally guy. Yeah, that was kind
of witty, but when the mask was on, he was
completely somebody else.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Right of loved it. It was really fun. Oh Jim Carrey,
so he's so good. Yeah.

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You might learn a little something too. Psychology break. So
we were talking about masks. I think we should just
like talk more about masks.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh oh oh yeah ya yay. So flows into personage,
that's right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
So I start with the whole Japanese philosophy that they have,
which is that everybody has three faces. And the first
face is the one that you showed the world, it's
your public image. The second face is what you show
to your family and close friends, and it's the face

(43:40):
that changes the most depending on who you're talking to.
And the third face is the one you don't show
to anybody, which is your true essence. But you may
not even see that hardly.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
There's so many adaptations of this theory. Yeah, there's so many, right, Yeah,
the three selves.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Right, and we you know, we wear these metaphorical masks
for reasons. Cindy Yantis wrote an article about it for Medium,
and she suggests that you're not completely present if you're
wearing a mask like these metaphorical masks, that you might

(44:23):
you wear them for a lot of reasons that you
think you're not good enough that you have a fear
of a situation. You want to keep yourself being seen,
you want to make yourself more seen. You don't feel
loved or smart enough, so you're kind of putting this on,
but that the effort of putting it on can keep

(44:44):
you from experiencing the situation.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting interpretation of it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, And as I mentioned, sometimes we wear them even
when we're alone. So when we're honor by ourself, we
might not want to acknowledge some things about ourself because
they're difficult, and that you might like convince yourself that
it's okay to be a certain way or to do

(45:14):
a certain thing, when really that's not in your best interest.
And it might be from boredom or loneliness or unresolved
conflict of some kind. And this is another Medium article
from cl Nichols, and he's you know, talks about how
like a very deeply insecure person might put on a

(45:34):
mask and wear that they're project an image of self
confidence that they don't really feel. They're trying to do
a fake it till you make it sort of situation
or a hide it and that you're most likely to
have masks slip off when you're having an intense emotion
in some way, Yes, that's going to be a very

(45:57):
relatively relevantory ex experience. So grief or anger or joy,
but often anger, I would say, or grief are going
to be the ones that are most likely going to
bring it out in you. So you hope that you're
gonna if that mask slips that it's something that the

(46:17):
person underneath is something you can be proud of. And
that's a character situation. You don't work on that try
And I.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Mean sure when I teach personality, because personality comes from persona,
which is the masks, right, the masks, the persona that
you're wearing, the emotion of the actor on stage, for sure.
And the idea that we do have these personalities and
the theory of the three selfs mimicked by many different
many different psychologists and philosophers.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
The idea that three is an archetype of number, well,
it is. It would be a number that the many
cultures would.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
In many cultures, so philosophy, you know, because psychology was
born out of philosophre right, it just takes it and
wants to test them, test the theories, right, and then
you know, and the archetypes.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Thank you Carl Jung for these things.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
But the idea that like we have three selves and
the mask being it kind of comes down to this idea.
There's one theory I particularly enjoy is cognitive dissonance, and
it's definitely definitely something put forth by many different psychologists.
But the research does support the idea that we have
this ideal self and then we have who we are now,

(47:29):
and it's a matter of like, how do we feel
about that difference? Right, how do we feel are we
reconciling that?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Do we feel okay about it?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Sometimes the mask is who we really want to be,
so we are working towards it, fake it till you
make it, you know. But in a lot of ways,
our personality is sort of who we are at our core,
and our character is how we show up, okay, And
it could be the same or they could be different.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I don't always have to show up in the in
the in the way that my personality might.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Okay, I can show up in the way that my
character is because are because we were an evolved species,
so I have values and principles and things, all of
this kind of stuff that guide my decisions and make priorities. Right,
My emotions are data about what are what are my
values and what are my priorities? Okay, and so I
can make decisions to show up in a certain way

(48:19):
and that's my character. But when the mask slips, you know,
that might be my personality and so hence the cognitive dissonance, like,
oh I keep showing up in this way and I
don't want to be this way. And cognitive dissonance can can?
It kind of exists on different traits. In some ways
they're very reconciled, in other ways very not reconciled, you know.

(48:39):
And so when that mask slips, like who are we?
And it's a matter of how have we done the work?
And that put in the time to identify who you
actually are? Or are we still wearing the mask somebody
else gave us? Because that's the difference. I can have
my own mask I put on, and I'm like, I
feel better with this, right, I feel good about that

(49:00):
because that's helping me reach my goals. And only the
most intimate people in my life might know me without
the mask.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
But they will appreciate the goal. The mask represents versus
society gave me this mask.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Everybody else around me think is it's ridiculous to wear it,
But I can't stop, yes, stop wearing, you know. And
so there's a lot of to be said about about
the way.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
That that works and the work that it takes.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
But the hope is and the reensuring part of the
research is that, well, a lot of the things that
we have identified as personality traits our skills.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah, there are things you can learn like empathy for instance.
For instance, empathy.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
You might feel what other people are feeling.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
For people who have a heart time feeling, they can
actually learn empathy by cognitively going through the steps of
what the person is going through, and they can cognitively
understand what that person might feel even if they can't
feel it, and that's enough to trigger compassion.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Right now, So, like, you may not have a personality
that is very interested in feeling how other people feel,
but you can you can learn that. You can learn conscientiousness,
you can learn how to be mindful, you can learn
all of these things. And so like a lot of
the big really replicated personality stuff out there really says,
oh my gosh, you may not naturally do this, but look,

(50:26):
if I just put a synonym in that place, it's
a skill.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Now you can learn it, you know, which gives us
hope because you.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Know what, We're always evolving, right, we are Ericson was right,
We always our personality just continues to evolve.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Sure, we really do. We're devolve or devolve. I got
examples of that. But like when something happens to.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Your sadder part of it, like I'm kind of like
you had an opportunity, but like, you know, like even
when I was young, I tell this student, I tell
this to my students, like, there's a part of my
personality that's very performative.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I don't hate it, you don't.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
It taught me how to have confidence in places where
I didn't have confidence, which means deep down, I'm experiencing
sort of like imposter syndrome, you know, low self esteem,
low self efficacy. And I have intimate people in my
life that I can share that with, right, who will
also support the mask I wear.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
In those situations because they understand it well and well.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
And having supportive people in your life might help try
and help you see that the masks that you wear
and the truth of your character and your personality actually
aren't as far apart as you think.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
They are, right, because they feel very far apart whether
they're not.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
And when it develops as a young kid, you know,
like that's how my parents owh my mom bless her heart. Lord,
I've developed sort of early early like early yeah, like middle.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
School, like sixth grade kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
And my mom was very conservative, we shall say, and
I was very nervous about me being over sexualized by
people in the particularly in the church. That should cue
the red flagman, okay, like can we have a parade
of red flags?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:20):
But nevertheless, she was concerned about this, like concerned about
me looking too appealing.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Right, so instead of in sixth grade, let me put
a date on this, like early.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Nineties, I'm gonna say that, Yeah, that's good enough, early nineties.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It was maybe earlier than that.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I wanted to wear certain things to church, like frilly
little dresses with spaghetti strup tie dresses, you know, cute
things were appropriate for a little girl, yes, little girl,
who I was. Little girl clothes, girl clothes like little girl,
big girl kind of clothes, you know, was great.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And my mom was a career woman, and she had
a lot.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Of sass and good for her, like huh.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Oh yeah adult young adult version, Yeah, oh yes, ma'am.
But she dressed me like career Barbie. Oh I had
nothing to do. I couldn't. I looked in the mirror
and I was like, oh my gosh, I am in
a I am in a shin link pencil skirt that
is skin tight. Uh huh, I am in heels.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I am in a button up white T shirt or
a white shirt you know that is tailored. Right.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I look like career Barbie because I had developed early mind,
you remember, uh huh. So when I went to go
into the actually.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
She would have been perhaps less sexualized if you had
worn the more free flowing nice sight sort of like
address that identified you as a child, which is what
you were.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yes, free flowing. Couldn't see my body. Instead, she accentuated
every curve.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
And also I was very concerned about the peer response.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Right, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna look weird.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, you look different than it looked.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Different because not only do I look different from my peers,
but I don't look any like like any normal I say,
say normal for that time, mom, because my mom had
been a career woman.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
So when she like think mad men, like she was hot,
you know what I mean, but also in control.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
And that's what she addressed me as, right, So it
wasn't even that I just looked like.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
A mom, like you're totally uncool. It was like whoa,
what is this? That is very uncommon?

Speaker 3 (54:40):
And so she sent me into that situation, and I
remember thinking to myself in my mirror before I went.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I was like, I got no choice.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, I got to own it.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
And I didn't you put on a mask, I don't
walk us strut and you know what I strutted into there.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I mean like seriously, like one in front of the other,
perfect heel walk, the hips, the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I sat up straight. I was like over sexualized for
my age. But I had to own it so that
the others looked at me.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
As a trendsetter, right and that and that really you
should have been allowed to be a little girl.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I should have. But you know what it did. It
became a part of my personality. Yeah, I'm a performer.
You could send me into any any any situation.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, and and you can give me just a barely
enough information about what's supposed to happen.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I don't care what your goals were. I will make
something happen in that room. I may not meet your goals,
it'll probably be better.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Thank you, And I will do that and I will
That is a that is a performative part of my personality,
that kind of love.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, because it allows me to go.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Into any situation and put on the mask of confidence.
And that challenge built.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
That real life. Briefly, I know, because we have to
much to say about it. So those pointy hats were
worn during the procession thank god you're talking about Okay,
So there really are worn during these processionals. They're called
capi rote and they're a Christian typically in Italy and

(56:20):
Spain and a lot of Hispanic countries. These co fraternities
do wear them. It's a matter of penance. They're a
little bit related to like the dunce dunce cap yes,
and that it's like a penance to wear it right.
And then they've added this face covering with only small

(56:42):
holes for the eyes, and it's to help you focus
theoretically and to point away from your sin and up
to God that what you're doing is a is to
atone and honor Lord is.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Kenny? Are you going to go there?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Are you going to say the thing? I probably am,
So we're gonna, We're gonna get there. It's interesting that
it's primarily Catholics because the klu Klex Klan adopted a
similar sort of look, and they historically dislike Catholics just

(57:27):
as much as they dislike Jewish people or black people. Yeah,
it's weird, Okay, it is weird. But was the irony
lost on them? I think so. But let me let
me tell you. This article in The New Republic has
a lot of information about the how the klu Klex
Klan got its hood. And let me tell you, they

(57:50):
are not as smart as you might think. I never
thought they were smart. No, well, they're not as clever
as they might think.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Ah about that.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
So there was a nineteen oh five novel and play
called The Clansmen by Thomas Dixon that was recirculating what
has always been a myth of the black rapist, okay,
and it kind of researched the klu Klux Klan that

(58:27):
had formed after or during the Reconstruction era in the
United States after the Civil War, when we were trying
to integrate all of these different cultures into a more
homogeneous United States culture, and these people didn't like that
very much. They didn't have at that point these huts.

(58:52):
They had other ways of like disguising themselves, but it
wasn't uniform. So it wasn't until this play came out
that they kind of got a resurgence. And then a
director called d. W. Griffith adapted part of The Clansmen
into his nineteen fifteen movie The Birth of a Nation,

(59:16):
which is it's horrible. It's so full of tropes and
just a really racist, misogynistic, awful, awful messaging. It was
one of the first films to screen in the White House.
But that is where these pointy hats and covered faces

(59:39):
for the clan came from. It was a costuming decision
in the Birth of a Nation to have this face
covering all And they suggest that they don't really know
where that costuming decision came from. It could have been
d W. Griffith pulled it from Freema, which had a

(01:00:01):
similar sort of uniform for their organization. The costume designer
Claire West had been to Europe and had probably seen
these processions. Yes, they like just fully took it from
this movie, I mean, and ran with it, and like

(01:00:21):
really like the clan membership exploded, particularly in Atlanta around
the time of this premiere of this movie in that area. Gosh,
it's just really like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I mean the same. It's a good idea that, like viral.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Misinformation and disinformation is more informative to many people in
our nation today. This this yep, I don't have to
stop talking because I'm gonna say something exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
On a lighter note, Lucia talks to a bartender while
she's drinking mineral water after getting like lambassed by her
kid because she's like, you get at the bar bless
her whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
She's such a good mom.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah. She talks about kintsugi. Yeah, repairing of pottery in
a way that makes it more valuable rather than less.
So we've all seen this where you know, pottery has
been broken and then it's repaired with gold. It's not
actual gold. It's like a resin that used to be

(01:01:37):
made from tree sap. Now it's made from other sorts
of chemicals, and then the gold is like painted over
it so that you don't see the resin. It's not
just gold. Holding it all together. It does come from Japan,
and it does come from a place of not wanting
to be wasteful and also recognizing that just because something

(01:02:00):
is broken doesn't mean that you throw it away, and
that applies to pottery and people that it's a opportunity
to repair things. And there's actually several ways to do it.
We are most familiar. Usually when you hear about this
and you've seen it, you mostly see the crack right

(01:02:21):
and where it's topped with gold. There's also the piece method,
which is where if you don't have the fragment or
it's broken into small of a piece that you just
completely replace it with this epoxy and then you can
paint over it in gold. And then there's this one's
the coolest. It's called joint call, So where if you

(01:02:43):
have two pieces of pottery that are broken, you take
the different pattern of the more broken piece of pottery
and use that to repair the larger, more intact piece,
And so you're actually combining to different pieces into one,
and it's like, really can really create something very beautiful,

(01:03:06):
and again you're not being wasteful and getting rid of
something that can still have value. Yeah, and you actually
make it more valuable by any this other stuff to it,
which is great. It's repaired. We had so many things
to say about When No One Sees Us that there

(01:03:27):
is a ton more content. So next week we're going
to continue this conversation. We have a full episode of
more thought provoking, interesting conversations and is It true? And
psychology and real life all part of When No One

(01:03:53):
Sees Us, So we're going to continue that next Thank
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Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Bob Bob,