The Franchise Chris Black Returns!

The Franchise Chris Black Returns and has alot to say it's been over 2 years since he was last on KOWP he touches on possible retirement, championship wrestling from Memphis and much more.

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Here mirror on the wall. Whois the greatest of them all? Oh
it's you, Chris Black, It'syou. And you're listening to the King
of Wrestling Podcast. This is JohnnySwinger, that King of Swing. You
know, listening to the King ofWrestling podcast and don't sing it, swing
it. And you're listening to theKing of Prison Podcast Number one. Ladies

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and gentlemen, my name is BrianPillman Junior, and you're listening to the
Kings of Wrestling podcast. This isour landy Di. You're listening to the
King of Wrestling podcast. And nowyou're host. Yes, I am the
host of the most I am thebrilliant one. I am Brendan Turner.
Welcome into King of Wrestling Podcast.We got a very special guest. I

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think it's been almost two years alittle over two years since we had the
great the franchise, Chris Black.What's going on, Chris? And it
has been a soggy day in SouthMississippi. It's been a saggy one here.
I mean it's just been nothing butrain and uh man, I just
couldn't wait to get out of there. And I'm gonna just say this though,
you know the what was it twoyears ago we did our first interview,

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Yeah, something like that, AndI don't know if i'd a seen
you in person maybe once since atthat time. But over the last two
years we've been in a few lockerrooms together, haven't we. Yeah,
Man, you're getting to move aroundto the upper EPs line of wrestling now
at sea. It really is man. And I'll say this though, dude,

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you know, and I've touted thiswhen I mentioned names on the independent
wrestling in Mississippi, Alabama, youknow, down here in the Gulf Coast
and stuff like that. There's nameslike Mighty Warbucks and Chris Black. Those
are the two top names that cometo my mind as far as heels.
I loved the work. You know, Phararell Funk comes in there. I

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got a lot of other guys too, But I've always touted your work and
Money's and I know you have alot of respect from Money as well.
Definitely, man, Money, Moneywas the man back when I was first
breaking into business, so I mean, he he uh, his work is
gold even right now, over twentyyears in the business, he's still he's

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still the man. So you know, I enjoy being in the locker room
with him, Always enjoy the matches, always enjoy just watching him. I
can I can mark out for moneyWarbucks when I can't mark out for a
lot of guys. Yeah, it'shard. And you know, you see
a lot of these people and Iand then you'll be able to attest to
this as well. Is I seea lot of people getting all excited about
the See Him punks and the DanielBrin's and all this showing up in AW

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showing up in WWE stuff. AndI'm just sitting here thinking, man,
do you not know about your independentwrestling companies? Brandon? What you're watching
on TV's not wrestling though, It'sit's not it's it's horrible. The product
of today is horrible. I don'twatch the ship. I can't watch the
ship. Um. Now, there'sa couple of people that that I like.

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My wife watches some um like doctorBritt Baker from AW. I think
she is fantastic. I think sheis one of the best women's workers going
today, especially on mainstream, becauseshe's a heel, you know what I
mean. And she's a heel.She makes you hater. She doesn't try
to sell you know, they're gonnasell the merchandise, but she's not pushing

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it. So, I mean,and then like m JF. I like
him, Jake. I think he'sa good I think he's good in the
ring. I think he's a goodheel. But other than that, I
can't. I can't think of anotherperson that I like to watch. I'll
say this, m JF is justpure gold. I mean, it don't
get no bear than m jeff andI. If m JF is on TV,

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I'll watch that. I mean,if he's cutting a promo or doing
her match. But if the problemwith it is is the booking at AW
is so horrible it's horror. Well, they're burying guys that could be caught
money earners for them, sure,guys that that are past their prime,
you know. And I'm I maybe in that category too, but damn

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you know. Uh, FTR.I didn't mention them, but FTR is
my favorite back team that probably inthe last twenty five years. They're my
favorite tag team. Well we talkedabout that on the first interview when they
were the revival, but we talkedabout them and they are they're that old
school like Arn Anderson, Ollie Andersonback in the day. Yeah, and
when they put totally with them,that was nostalgia for me. So I

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was like, yes, yes,finally, and then they buried them and
now they're just fucking horrible assu fourhorsemen rip off gimmick and it's it's horrible.
It's horrible. Well, and Iwonder if you'll agree with me on
this. All right. When theybrought them into AW the first time,

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I mean I was kind of excitedto see them. I mean, I'd
watched the product here and there,you know, just trying to keep up
with it as best I could.All Right. When they brought FTR in,
I was thinking, Okay, thisis gonna be good. They brang
them in, and my first perspectiveis if I'm gonna book this show,

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the first time I'm gonna do isput the tax team titles on definitely and
one with it. Had they evenheld the tag team titles, I didn't.
They beat the Bucks for the beltsand then the Bucks won them back
or or something, and did I'mtelling we talked about this on the first
podcast too that I did. TheBucks are horrible, They're horrible, They're

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spot monkey, horrible shit. Butthe match between them and FTR was really
good because FTR controlled them, soI you know, they didn't hold the
belts along. I know that probablyprobably two months or so. And I

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mean, this is a tag teamthat you could build a company around for
your tack team division. To meas a chap as champions go as far
as that goes, like I can, We'll go down the list. If
you're okay with that, I'm fine. Hey, all right. So we
have Kenny Olivier, which is themost horrible shit that God has ever stuck

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a gut in. He's horrible.He's horrible. He couldn't draw flies to
shit, He's horrible. All right, So he's your champion. Can he
go out there and have five starmatches with everybody on the show. No,
unless it's a fucking blow up dollara kid, all right, So
we're gonna excuse him. He cango to the concession stand. Then you

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have Brent Baker as the women's champion, which has had great matches with everyone
that I've seen her in the ringwith, especially thunder Rosa. Her and
thunder Rosa had a hellacious fight andI'm I'm a fan of thunder Rosa on
that part. Yes, NWA Women'sWorld Champion, right, Okay, So
yeah, I mean that she's anindie worker that understands the whole concept of

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it being a worker. All right, So we're gonna let her go back
to the locker room. Then youhave you have Nero, which is the
TNT Champion, which which I'm afan of. I like what they're doing
with him. I don't like thefact that they let him job everybody out,
but hey, all right, sohe's going to the concession set.
And then now you have the LucherBros. All right, So the Lucha

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Bros. I'm not a fan ofthat style of wrestling because it's more spots
than it is storytelling. So canthey have good five star matches with everybody
on the show? No? Tome, as a booker, I'm gonna
go down the list and go,Okay, I know, anybody I put
him in the ring with, hecan have five star matches. So we're
gonna put the belt on him.Okay. So, and the tag division,

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the women's division, the TNT divisionare all so diverse diversified that they
can have great matches with anybody thatI put him in the ring with,
and they'll sell me tickets and That'sthe key thing, because I mean,
you look at all right, I'mnot a fan of Lucha libre anyway.

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All Right, it's like you said, it's a spot after spot after spot.
My thing with the way that Aw'sdone stuff though, And you talk
about the champions britt Baker legit,all right. I enjoy her, But
I want to go back to let'ssay last year during the pandemic. All

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right, Let's say John Boxley hewon the championship. Remember when he won
the title. Right, in thefirst two title defenses, he had or
right around in the first two titleof defense, he had Jake Hager right.
That was one right, all right, And I argued to the point
with somebody that that was the biggestmistake they made was letting Hay go down

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in that situation. Jay Hager isa legit fighter. Not taking nothing away
from Moxley. But I'm just gonnasay Jay Hager is a legit fighter.
You're building this matchup. There's noway, in my opinion that I'm gonna
believe that Jay Hager's losing this match. Well, Brandon, they could have
put the janitor over on Moxley andI would have been exstatic because I don't

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like him either. But the partthe issue is is that that they've made
more money in the wrestling business thanI'll ever see in my lifetime, you
know. So, I mean,apparently they're doing something right, but I'm
just not a fan of their workor the lack thereof. Well, I
agree with you on that. Andit's like I was telling you, I
think we was talking about this alittle bit before went on air. It's
the die hard fans that are keepingAW afloat at this point. It's not

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the casual fans, because that's whatkeeps wrestling going in a hole. And
and I didn't think AW was doingthat and are doing that. I think
that they're catering to one audience andthat's the diehard right. Well, you
look, you look at this they'redoing. They're doing the deal with the
nostalgia. Okay, they have Sting, they have they have Anderson, they

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have Blanchard, they got Dustin Rhodes. Excuse me, but the issue with
those guys is is they can't bemain event players because they're one hundred and
fifty years old. But I mean, Dustin Rhodes is one of the smartest
minds. You're his daddy was DustyOkay, so you know he's one of

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the smartest minds in the wrestling business. Arn't Anderson by far the greatest promoer
that has ever come down the pike, you know? And then to me,
Arne Anderson is the greatest worker neverto be world champion. I'll second
that, okay. So and thenyou got Tully Blanchard bit his dad was
a booker. He has been inthe business since what the seventies, So,

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I mean, they have minds therethat could could make a EW an
actual threat, not to shut WWEdown, but an actual threat, you
know, and not just an alternative, because that's what it is now.
It draws now because it's an alternativeto what you can watch on Monday night,
what you've been having to watch onMonday night since WCW went out of

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business. But what's gonna happen isis that they're going to shoot themselves in
the foot because they're burying the bettertalent for guys that aren't so good.
And that's it's their buddies, youknow what I mean, Oh, circle
jerk, that's exactly what it is. Because I hate to break anybody's heart.

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The Young Bucks are not a goodtag team. They've never been a
good tag team, and they willprobably never be a good tag team.
All right, Kenny Olivier, KennyOmega, it's fucking horrible, all right.
He lost all credibility when he puta fucking blow up dollar in in
Japan. So he's done. Okay, So I get it. Kfbe is

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dead. Well, it's not deadto me, damn it. You know
what I mean? Because when I'mbeen in two thousands, if I would
have said Capebe's dead weight, Gearedwould have knocked my head off. Well,
and that's the thing about it isis all right. That brings me
to one more point and then we'regonna get into you in just a minute.
But I do want to say this. Do you remember back last year

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when Sean Spears went in the ringand knocked Cody's head off with the chair?
Who who is that? Right?No? No, really, I'm
not. I didn't say that toBenas. I really don't know. You
know, Tie Dillinger, right,yeah, all right, it was him.
He came in. He hit Codyin the head with a chair,
I mean, busted Cody's head wideopen. Okay, Cody hit the ground.

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Blood just gushing, I mean likeliterally gushing out of his head.
And I'm sitting there going, thisis great, this is awesome. You
know it's real. Yeah. Didthey come back next week and bury the
guy? Well, no, theydidn't come back and bury him that next
week. They buried him that nightwhen the young Bucks was in a fucking
press conference and they said, Cody'sokay, the chair was rigged and something

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went wrong. Oh Jesus, fuckdoubt. I mean, all right,
you had some raw emotions right there, Jesus, and you're gonna screw it
up right there and after that,and I'm not shooting you, okay.
Sean Spears hadn't potential? Yeah?Is that the guy they called the chairman?
Yes, okay, all right,so now we're on the same page.

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All right, he has, hehad potential, but after you discredit
him like that. Yeah, theyburied him, buried him exactly. Nobody
cared about it, I mean right, and they put him with Tully Bleatchard
and he still can't get a reaction, yeah, because they know that he
carries a gimmick chair. Right,So they said, well, the chair

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was gimmicked and it uh something happened. Why why did you have to say
that? Why not? Why notsell some tickets off of that? Go?
Yeah, he hit Cody, uhyou know, and he buzzed.
Could there's gonna be repercussions for thisum and we're gonna I mean there,
Cody's gonna get his revenge. Yeah, the order drips fine, Sean Steers,

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uh blah blah blah. Yeah.Yeah, they could have. They
could have won a hundred thousand differentways with that exactly, and they didn't.
They went and told the press itwas a rigged chair that had malfunction.
Yeah, horrible. Uh that thatjust proves to the casual fan that
wanted to tune in because it lookscool, it looks good. Uh,

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it's not real, right and andand Jim Cornett is definitely right when he
says they're killing the wrestling business.And they're like, no, we're not.
We're still got fans in the building. But it's just like I said,
it's not casual fans. No,they Brandon. They've killed the wrestling
business. It's been dead a longtime now. They're killing the sports entertainment

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business. Yeah, I agree.All right, Well, we spend enough
time talking about ship that everybody elsetalks about. Let's talk about you for
a second. Since we talked,since we did the interview a while back,
it's been a while, and whydon't you give the listeners a little
bit of what you've been up toin the last couple of years and what
things have been going on. Well, Brandon, I'm actually trying to retire

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if they will let me. AllRight. I broke into business in August
of two thousand and I just don'tlove it anymore, you know what I
mean. I don't. I lovegoing to sit in the locker room and
talking to the boys, and Ilove the brotherhood and the camaraderie of everything.
But I utterly hate to put spandexon. I have a hard time

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believe in that, you know.I this year especially has been, you
know, pretty rough in my personallife. Um, you know, I
I've dodged COVID, thank god.But I just I'm two things that I
swore to God I would never bewhen I broke in, Like when I

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used to sit in the locker roomsas a green kid. And I've seen
all these older guys. It's like, Man, these are the most unhappy
people you will ever meet. Ice, and it was because there was a
whole new crop of guys coming inand they were they were old and bitter,
and I was like, I'll neverbe old and bitter, and I'll
be damned if I'm not both ofthose. Well, now, I wouldn't

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say you was old, because Imean, I believe I still got you
beat in age. So yeah,I'm I'll be thirty six in November.
Yeah, I got you beat bytwo years. But I mean, you
know where where a lot of guyswaited till they were eighteen, eighteen twenty
to break in. I broke inwhen I was fourteen years old, so
you know, and a lot ofpeople are like, oh, you're full

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of shit, No, buddy,I broke in when I was fourteen,
So you know there's that, youknow, And I've lived this dream and
you know, I've got to dosome pretty cool shit, you know.
Um, you know, I hada little time in t NA back in

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the day. You know, Inever made it to TV, but I
got to work some jobs, youknow, and uh, I'm I've made
a pretty good name for myself onthe indies along the Gulf Coast and in
the South and Memphis, and uh, but I mean, I I like
you and I were talking earlier beforewe went on the air. I think
we had over an hour conversation beforewe ever started, you know. And

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uh, but you know, Istill enjoy some things about it. And
there's certain guys that I love towork and you know, I love to
have matches with him, the Pharaohfunk Man. Me and him have worked
wrestled so many times that that it'sridiculous, Like we we don't have to
talk about nothing, nothing, youknow. It's just it's like putting on

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a pair of good gloves. Itjust fits, you know. And guys
like Frankie Thomas and Jesse Dalton andJoey Abel, Eric Black, Uh,
you know, Robert Riser, thoseguys that you know that don't get enough
credit and that should get credit,but they get overlooked because they they stay

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to theirselves and their own little circleings. But those guys, those guys are
are bad to the bone. Man. They just they just don't get enough
credit. Well, I'll say thisabout Favorite even it reminds me of Strong
Hand from Scary movie too. Yeah, I said it, favor Let me

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use my strong game. There yougo there you uh and and and at
the last show, I told Pharaoh, you know, to his face,
even though I had to run away, but I told him to his face
that you know, he wasn't Iwanna be x Pot with a beer belly.

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I'll say, as Pharaoh's been arounda while, and Pharaoh is probably
one of the more entertaining guys towatch. Well, get around, Brandon.
I'll tell you this. If you'rerunning anywhere in North Mississippi and the
Pharaoh Funk is not on your showas one of the top baby faces,
then you were missing out because incaptivated crowd. Whether he can wrestle or

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not, he is entertaining and hecan take at the Ricky Morton of Mississippi.
All right, we're gonna say that, so you know. And and
man, I come, I wentto Battle Zone in two thousand and I
think it was, you know,And I work with him every Saturday night

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until they closed the little Red Buildingin McGee. And I think it was
two thousand and thirteen, maybe fourteen, Yeah, I was thirteen fourteen,
And and like I said, wewe wrestled each other so many times it's
it's ridiculous. And all the boysare like, oh, it's always the
same thing Chris Buck and the Pharaohshows, like, well, get over

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more than that match and then itwon't be that. What you know,
And that's why I tried to explainedto guys that kills me about the guys
that there are so many cry babyass pussy fied wrestlers on the Gulf Coast
today that are or I need tobuilt to get over, or I need
to be the main event. No, little buddy, you need to earn

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the main event. You need tobe the ones selling the tickets. Not
because you can throw a pretty dropkick or you're half ass decent on the
microphone means that you should be themain event. Kay to break your heart,
but no, and I agree.You know. My thing is is
like, all right, one nightI was in Raleigh. I think it
was Raleigh and maybe mistaken, butI think it was Raleigh that you came

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out. You cut a promo.I want them. I want to say
it was in February maybe Black HistoryMonth or something, and you cut your
promo and people are following you backto the entrance way wanting to whoop your
ass. And I just thought itwas genius how you did that. I've

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seen how Pharaoh goes out there,Pharaoh to his music kids, he comes
out, he does his thing,the crowd goes crazy. That is what
I try to get into people's head. Wrestling is, That's what it's about.
You know, if you cannot emotionallyinvest the crowd in what you're doing
for the ten to fifteen minutes thatyou're out there, you need to stop

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and reevaluate what you're doing there there. That's all there is to it.
Because I'm gonna tell you now,there's some good heels on the Gulf Coast.
There are Vladimir Coloff, the Nightmare, Jeremiah um Ashton spears, there
are some good heels on the onthe show, on any show. Uh,

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Steve O'Malley, you know, there'sa bunch of great heels on the
show because they're heels, because theypush the envelope for you hate them,
that is their job. I'm gladyou brought up one name out of there,
and that was Steve O'Malley. Mhm. Yeah. The one thing
you won't see Steve O'Malley doing.If he will not come out there and

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see the crowd, he shouldn't.He's not gonna say nothing to the crowd.
He shouldn't if he says something tothem, IM, it's you know,
they're despicable or something. Right,another one you brought up in their
Ashton spears. Hum, I've beenaround Ashton. I've actually managed Ashton and

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me and him got we got somepeople rolled up one night in Columbia,
Mississippi, and Ashton's another one.We know you loved. I don't mean
to cut you off. I'm sorry, You're good. Let me tell you
about Ashton. Ashton come to thebattle Zone a year before they closed shop

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in McGee. All right. Hewas a hundred and forty five pounds soaking
wet in cowboy boots, okay,and looked like he was looked like he
was wearing a diaper when he waswrestling, Yes, sir, And they
told me that he would never makea dollar for that company. Now,
this is some of the upreps aloneof the company at the time, said
that he would never be a drawfor us. Battles on't have one of

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its best years with him his champion. That's because people want to see him
get his ass whooped. Exactly right, and he was booked into position to
be a draw. That is thedifference. Now, you've got a lot
of guys on a lot of quoteun bookers are shot callers on the coast.

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They're not making new talent. They'renot they're not emotionally investing you,
investing you into the guys that arein the undercard, that are fixing to
step up and be the main eventguys. Okay, so so Bill Moody,
Percy Pringle said it best. Independentwrestling is the grassroots of all of

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professional wrestling. If you do notwater them, then the tree dies,
and that that's what it takes.Dude. I'm twenty one years into the
wrestling business. I know without ashadow of a doubt that I have a
lot fewer matches ahead of me thanI do behind you. Somebody has to

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be there to step up and takethe spot. I agree. I mean,
you're right, and Percy Bill Moodywas right. It is the grassroots.
This is the backbone of wrestling.And another thing too that a lot

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of promoters in this day and agedon't understand is you have to actually promote
the shop. Yeah it's you know, I heard that. You said that.
I'm glad you brought that up,so now I can betch about that.
So a guy said the other daythat he would not book talent that
didn't push theirselfs being on his show, that it's it's not his job to

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get them over leading up into theevent. Well, buddy, I hate
to break it to you, butwhat you just described is in your job
title. You are the promoter,dumb ass. You are the promoter.
It is your job to get assesin the seats, not your talents,

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the talent that you're bringing in.That's where it gets me with a promoter.
Okay, let's say I'm promoting herein Mississippi and I want to bring
somebody from Georgia. Do I reallythink that that person from Georgia is going
to bring anybody to put their assesin my seats? Not the first time,
No, exactly. I have tobuild that person, right, I

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have to promote it. We gotthe great Chris Black coming in. Come
on, you know I'm getting itup. I'm like, we got this
show. Necessarurday night is going tobe off the chart. You're not gonna
want to miss it. Vladimir coleOff is taking on Chris Black. This
is a this is a main eventyou can only see right here for my
promotion. I see it. Iwould like to have I'd love to see

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it now. I'm not even joking. You know I'm a coal Off fan,
right, you know I've been behindcoal Off for a long time.
M. I like you. Ithink you're a great talent. I think
you're, like I said, oneof the top talents in uh Mississippi album
in this area. Um. AndI I think that you and coal Off

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would have a hell of a match. Yeah, Brendon, you know what's
sad about the whole coal Off situation, you know, and and coal Off.
This is not a shot at you, so please don't think it all.
This is a praise in the bestChris Black way that I could give
it to you. He took ashit gimmick, something that was destined to
fail, and made us made ita success, he did. And you

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want me to teach something else too? And and he knows this because I've
told him many times. H.I was not sold on cole Off.
H all right. You know Iwas asked when I first started doing this
podcast, which you I think youwere like my second guest. I want
to say, yeah, I waseither second or third. All right,

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all right, so by that timethat was two years ago. Whatever.
I was not sold on Cough andpeople kept saying, Hey, get coal
Off on your show, and I'mlooking at this gimmick, okay, and
I'm like, this is a nineteeneighties gimmick. This is twenty twenty,
twenty nineteen whatever, like really,And so I get coal Off on,

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enjoyed the interview, thought it wasa great interview. And I went to
a show that weekend that had coalOff on it. It was down in
Alabama, and I remember when Iwent in, I was just kind of
like, I'm gonna let me seewhat co Off is. You know,
my expectations were not high, right, I watched this show and I've told

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everybody since that day. You candoubt coal Off all you want, but
coal Off is one of these typeof people that you can see stuff,
you can see highlights on the videos, but until you see him in person,
you just don't it. Well,Like, the problem the deal with
him was is that that kid isis way smarter than what he could be

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at this stage of his career,and he has constantly kept adding to his
his knowledge of wrestling and and whatneeds to be and what should be,
and that that's the difference between himand most quote unquote green guys that think

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they already know it, know everything, you know, And that's that's the
difference, you know. And he'shumble and he's hungry and he wants to
succeed. That's the difference. He'snot a lazy wrestler, you know what
I mean. And he's not He'snot one of those guys that are like,
oh well, I'm already the mainevent pretty much everywhere I go,
so I don't have to keep workinghard. That's not him. No,

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he's he's given full blasting. Thething about it is U as much as
much time as I spent around himover the last two years, he can
never learn enough, right And youlook at the body transformation that he's the
past what two years he was whatclose to three hundred pounds? He was

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at three ten the first time Isaw him. Yeah, it'll wait,
you know what I mean? Andnow what he's got to be what two
thirty two thirty five? Maybe,yes, somewhere in that area, because
I mean, he you know,and you've met my wife. You saw
her at the shows. She sawthe formation of co Off and we got

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I think it was back last year, she looked at him and she said,
do you realize how lean he's got, not just like, yeah,
he's lost a lot of weight,but he's added muscle to it and he's
starting to tone out really well.Yeah, yeah, And that's what it

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takes. Nobody can ever accuse thatkid of not trying to be better now
and and and the thing too,is like, if you come to him
like were you was just talking aboutguys that think they know it all,
you put him in a match withsomebody. He's not gonna argue like why
this should be this way, He'sgonna listen. He's gonna give you his

(31:26):
opinion on it. And most ofthe time when he gives you an opinion,
he makes a lot of damn sense, right, And he's not doing
it to better himself. I mean, he is doing it to better himself.
Don't let me get that wrong,but he is. He's more selfless
than he is selfish. Well,Brandon, a wrestling matches a dance and
if you don't make you dance andpartner look good, you both look like

(31:47):
assholes. So there's that, yep. And I mean I've watched him and
you're talking to one guy that waspretty pretty selfish for a long time as
a worker, I'll admit that.But I mean the last ten years of
my career, I've done everything inmy power to make sure that I left

(32:09):
the person on the other side ofthe ring better than what we started,
which which brings me to another pointI want to talk about too as well
with you, is that we knowyour pile drivers to finish, yes,
sir, all right, And there'sonly I don't even think I've seen it
maybe once, but you know,once you put that driver on, that's

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the ball game we talked about,Jake, the stat Roberts, the DDT
was it. What are your thoughtson these guys that are using finishers as
transition moves. I think it moreor less bull of bulls down to Brandon
that they watched the bullshit that theysee on TV on Wednesday nights and they're

(32:58):
like, Okay, I can doI can hit all these finishers and the
people that have grown so accustomed toit that it won't matter. And and
that's my opinion of it is isthat the superkick loses its allure after it's
been hit thirty seven times in onematch. Um, well, you can

(33:21):
remember when Sean Michaels used to hitthe super kick that was it. Well,
I can remember when Chris Adams usedto hit yes. So I um,
I don't believe in the style ofwrestling that goes on today. I
don't like it. I don't.We talked about this. I believe on

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the first time that I was onthe show that the hybrid strong style fucking
really beat each other up is isit's garbage wrestling. It's garbage. It's
garbage. You know, the wholethe magic of wrestling is making it look

(34:05):
real without it being real. SoI mean, it doesn't it doesn't take
any kind of ability to go outthere and beat up your opponent. It
doesn't to me that that's guys thatwere half ass trained that the light bulb
never went on for and now they'resomewhat famous or somewhat over in their own

(34:30):
mind or whatever, and now they'reand they're dead set on it because,
like I said, you know,beating your opponent up for real, that's
not wrestling. It's not it's awork. It's a work. Yep.
I mean, like we were talkingto you know, I'll use an example

(34:55):
for around here yourself. Somebody likeBarry Wolf, Mighty Warbucks. You know,
guys like it. They come out, they got the crowd in the
palm of their hand and may nottake two or three bumps, right,
and the crowd is just unbelievably hot. That's wrestling, right. Well,

(35:22):
because you're telling us you're a storyteller. The athletic part of wrestling is secondary,
which which ninety percent of the boysare gonna be like, oh,
this dude's full of shit. Wellthat's because they're still stuck in. We
gotta go out there and have amain event WrestleMania match at PO Dunk McGee
Mississippi or PO Dunk Rowley, Mississippi, and it's got to be memorable and

(35:45):
blah blah blah blah blah. Well, guys, I hate to break your
heart, but um, I cango out there and do nothing nothing God
got through fifteen minutes and be rememberedjust as much is you're taking seven eleven
bumps, super kicking everybody and beingthis strong style idiot. Well, this

(36:09):
is what I tell people. I'mlike, and I've told many of these
guys that you're kind of referring to. You've got them do bumps, and
you can take your you can doyour high spots, and you can do
this, you can do flippy floppywhatever. You get ooze and you get

(36:29):
ozs. But that's it. Youdon't get the crowd because one thing,
and you'll agree with me on this, is that fast pace. Doing fifty
spots in one time, you don'tgive the crowd enough time to process all
that shit. Absolutely not. They'regoing to remember the first and the last

(36:51):
spot and that's it. Yep.And and the last spot, well,
it's probably not even the most spectacularspot because like, let's say, let's
say we have a match, well, we'll use the Young Bucks as a
reference. All if they do superkick, superkick, superkick fifty times, okay,
they do a four fifty splash,but the match ins with a schoolboy.

(37:12):
Yeah all right, Yeah, Ihave been I have been on shows
where that has happened. And I'msitting in the locker room, we're looking
through the curtain. I'm like JesusChrist. They have done everything but run
each other over with a car.But what you're gonna do the next match,
because you're gonna have to pull outa gun and shoot your opponent for
it to make any sense. Well, can you remember, well, let's

(37:36):
say Jerry Lawler and I don't knowsomebody whoever he's you know, been in
a rivalry with Andy Kaufman. Yeah, well I was gonna say Andy Kaufman,
but I was kind of holding thatoff for a second. But I'll
go ahead and use And Andy Kaufmanwas a genius by the way. Yes,
you know, a lot of people, and I know Lawler respected him,
but a lot of people that wasin the business at the time that

(37:59):
wasn't him. Meant, they gavehim a lot of ship. But you
know what, who in the hellin their right mind would not have thought
after getting pile driving, which isthe most devastating move, Jerry Lawler put
on somebody right, yep, andhe thought to lay in that ring and
get an ambulance. And how manytickets and how good was business after that?

(38:24):
It was tremendous. I mean,you got on fucking Letterman exactly.
I mean, and Letterman thought itwas real. You know, have you
ever seen the match in its entirety? I have, what's it, four
and a half minutes, five minutes? Yeah, but it's that that's the
thing, that's the thing. Thecrowd, if you looked at that crowd

(38:47):
that night for four or five minutes, you can say whatever, four or
five minutes, six minutes, whatever. Okay, that crowd was hot the
entire the entire six minutes, andthey didn't do much. They didn't have
to do much because they built it. People bought tickets, right, you

(39:14):
know you talked about everybody complains about, oh well Tyson knocked out some and
sing forty five seconds. When yougot a match built up that big like
Kaufman and Lawler, it didn't haveto be that long. Nope, they
wanted to see Kaufman get beat.They wanted to see it. Well,

(39:34):
this is my take on that wholesituation. So Lawler was smart enough to
know that if they went any longerthan what they did, it would expose
the fact that Kaufman wasn't a worker, and Kaufman knew that too. Yeah.
The thing with Kaufman was he lovedwrestling, he loved the wrestling business,

(39:55):
but he was an entertainer. Thething it was star. He was
a super star, television superstar.To come in and do a job for
Lawlor, what did it do forme? It didn't do nothing for him?
Really, excuse me? Yep.It built, It built Waller and
it built Memphis exactly exactly. Hewas a selfless act and there isn't too

(40:19):
much of that now, dude.Like I said, yeah, I get
told all the time. I hada green kid walk up to me working
TV and Booneful Mississippi. I don'tknow if you know where that is,
but okay, so work in TVand Boonful. I had a kid walk
up to me and led the entirematch out, led the entire match out
to me, and the finish,I said, oh okay. He said,

(40:44):
well, how long you've been working? I said, ah, this
is about my sixth match. Sowe get out there and lock up,
and I kind of hooked him aroundthe arm so he can't get away from
me. It's like, all right, we're not doing any of that.
Just shut up and listen to me. So we get through the match and
get to the back. He goes, man, I didn't realize you'd been

(41:06):
working so long, as I said, would it'd probably be a good idea
for you to shut the fuck upand listen sometimes. Yea. And that's
what the issue is with a lotof the guys around here right now.
It's because they're they're superstars, andthey've they're they're ess and they're that,
and they they've been on a coupleof good shows, and they've toted the
promoter's bag in the building, youknow what I mean? Whatever, you

(41:30):
know, I used to worry aboutbeing liked by the boys and and being
part of the clicks, and youknow, and right now, I don't
give a damn. I don't givea damn. I smoked two packs of
cigarettes today. I've been in therest of business for twenty one years,
have a bad back, and they'reprobably a handful of guys that would give

(41:52):
me a run where I could notkeep up with them. And only one
comes to mind right now, andthat's frank Thomas. Yeah, Frankie.
Frankie's uh, he's probably one ofthe most underrated talents. And I have
had so many good matches with Frankiethat that is ridiculous in him and I

(42:13):
really don't like each other. OldFrankie, great talent, phenomenal talent.
Frankie. Frankie's one of those guysthat's uh, you know, been overlooked
around here. There's cerebral guys.No, and I've talked about this many

(42:34):
times. And I think me andyou'll agree on this. There's more talent
in our areas in the Alabama,Mississippi, Tennessee and stuff like that.
Area that gets overlooked for people inthe Midwest, the mid uh then the
West coast, East Coast and stufflike that. We don't have no eyes
down here. We don't have enougheyes that Brandon and the fact that the

(42:57):
wrestling was the teetotal rissling dog shitsaround here for so long. You know,
right now you can you can throwa stone and hit five shows that
have locker rooms full of talented guys. You couldn't do that ten years ago.
Well, i'll tell you this too. With the talent this around.

(43:21):
A lot of people don't understand thisis you get you got so many promotions
here in Mississippi, for one,and you've got so many different talents on
all these shows. And what peopledon't understand about this is they look at
it and they're like, well,what's all this an independent wrestling ship.
You can go to any of theseany of these shows. Everyone of them
is different. There's not one ofthe same. Well, because the booking

(43:45):
style is different. Like when youlook at Diamond Diamond is more structured towards
uh family friendly environment of the bookingstyle. It's not it's not not that
it's bad. I mean, soplease don't think that, Um. All
right. And then you go toAwa. I've never then to an Awa

(44:08):
show or watched one, so I'mnot one hundred percent sure how the booking
goes there, all right. Thenyou go to battles On, which was
always a little edgier, a littlebloodier. Um. You have SCW,
which is my promotion, and it'smore old school based, old school run,

(44:29):
old school storylines, um. Andit can be a little edgy,
you know. And then you haveyou got Championship Wrestling from Memphis, which
my wife is one of the maincharacters on Championship Wrestling from Memphis. Um.
And it's it's more old school ranand Memphis style based. And you

(44:49):
got EPW, which is is theyjust started TV, which is a great,
great promotion. Neil Neil Taylor isa great guy. He's he's the
promoter, um, you know.And it's real old school based, so
I mean, it's it's it's sixone way, half a dozen the other,
you know, in an applecornious youknow. But there's great talent.
Like I said, you you canget on Facebook and if you're booking a

(45:13):
show, you could have more wrestlersthan you could shake a stick at that
are good with draw you withdraw youfans, and and and and that.
You know what I mean. Likeyou know, I'm gonna say this,
I'm man enough to say when Iwas wrong, that I'm wrong. Um,
Diamond Championship Wrestling. All right,Gene Miller and I have not always

(45:36):
seen eight eye. We have adifference on the way wrestling should be and
the way business should be ran.And I said that within a year that
they would be out of business,and they have done good business since their
first show, So they've got alot of great talent on their show.
And like I said, I'm manenough, so and I'm wrong. So

(45:57):
there's that. Well I tell youman that do that, and I'll say
this. You know, I've workedwith Diamond, I've worked with a w
A No, worked with battles Onvery closely, and I've done a lot
of stuff around And if anybody hasbeen around me for ten minutes knows I'm
not one of these that goes aroundwanting to know it all or I got

(46:20):
to know it. I mean,I know it all or stuff like that.
Most of the time when I'm aroundsomebody, and I've been around you,
you know, I listen and Isoak in whatever anybody's telling me.
I don't go in there. Ifyou ever seen me stepping foot and I
know what this should be done thisway, that should be done that way,
I don't because it's not. Firstoff, it's not my place to

(46:40):
do that. Second, I mean, I don't know jack shit about that.
I mean, I have been introducedto it over the last couple of
years on how I've always been afan of the wrestling, and i've,
you know, in a general sense, no what I like and you know,

(47:01):
what I've enjoyed over the years andwhat I like to see. But
at the same time, you gotto feel what that crowd that you're wanting
to bring in is. And whenI listened to you know, you Money,
you know, Vladimir or anybody youknow talk, I process it and

(47:23):
I look it over and say,hey, you know that's a smart decision.
Well, you know, I've beenaccused of having a narrow mind of
what wrestling should be. And it'snot that I have a narrow mind of
what wrestling should be is I wastaught by some of the some really good
minds in the wrestling business, allright, and we're talking twenty years ago.

(47:46):
I get that, And wrestling isnot the same and it will never
be the same, and I understandthat. But the difference is this,
The reason it's not the same isbecause people have that outlook on that it'll
never be the same. That sameold shit that worked thirty five years ago,

(48:10):
we will still work today because youlook at this. You go to
a wrestling show and it's normally Grandmaand Grandpa and Daddy and the kids and
mama that in day and Mamma andgrandma and grandpa used to watch Bob Kelly
and the Fields brother and Frank Daltonand all those guys, you know what
I mean. They used to watchall of that, so it's still fresh

(48:32):
to them. And you can guaranteeon the ride to the wrestling show that
Grandpa was telling the kids about BobKelly whipping twenty people's ass at one time,
bloody as hell, you know whatI mean, and the storylines that
they used to do. And wetalked about this before we went on the
air. Kid told me that thisstyle of wrestling will work because it twenty

(48:58):
twenty one. Well, Buddy,you were in Pensacola, Florida. You
were in the home of the DamnArmstrongs and and the Fullers and all of
that at which is the biggest drawingshows of all time in that area.
It's Continental and all of that.Um, guess what, that style of
wrestling still works there. Well,my thing is too with some of the

(49:22):
old storylines, and we we kindof discussed a little bit of this outside
the RAM. But you can bringsome of the storylines back now and they
will work because nobody remembers them fromthe eighties. Yeah, this generation has
never been exposed to them, right, I mean, you could do it
and it's it's what's old is newagain? Yeah. Well, well,

(49:45):
Brandon, you said something what wewent on the air that you use the
line for Bobby Heenon and somebody thoughtyou'd come up with it. My tagline
that I've made money off of themirror. Mirror on the wall thing is
something that Rick Flayer said in thenineties exactly exactly, and as a matter
of fact, he said it asa matter of fact he said it in

(50:06):
uh when he was in WWF exactly. So, I mean you can recycle
things and people still buy it,you know what I mean. It's wrestling
is not hard. People just makeit that a way. Well, it's
it's more complicated than it has tobe, you know. Yeah, I

(50:29):
mean, you know, it's likethe world, the way the world works
today, and I'm not gonna getinto politics, and I'm just gonna use
this, but they they make politicsharder than what it is exactly, you
know exactly. I mean if youand and the world today with all the

(50:51):
canceled me and all this culture andstuff like, they're making things so much
more complicated than what it really hasto be. I mean, life is
simple. It's just I made acomment a year ago about a guy that
is a good friend of mine thatthat was not at a show. I

(51:12):
made a comment that he was ata rally. Yeah. I won't go
into the particulars of it, butyou would have thought that I was a
card carrying member of the KKK.Well, you know, I remember,
if I don't, if I'm notmistaken, you remember I hit you up
what that weekend? Yeah, maybeit was a couple of days after,

(51:35):
you know, because I've been aroundboth of you, and I feel like
I know you well enough to knowthat you know, you're you're building a
character, you're doing a story.And when people were blowing this up,
I was sitting here thinking myself,it's not that damned complicated people, No

(51:58):
I did. That's what I commentedon a post. I said, y'all,
do realize that this should have fakeright, that this is not my
real feeling on things. Daddy IsColin is a trainee of mine. You
know what I'm saying. He isas he's a black man. But he
has slept on my couch, youknow what I mean. And there is

(52:20):
not a racist bone in my bodynone. Well, and I know that,
and everybody else has been around youknow that. But you know there's
one thing about Daddy Is Collins.I'm gonna just say. You know you
said you let him sleep on yourcouch. You know there's one thing I
wouldn't let him do. What's upraid my fridgerator because I'd be an expensive
gift there, because yeah, that'sa big old boy. Yeah. I'm

(52:45):
sitting here thinking, yeah, that'sa lot of groceries right there. Yeah,
that are hitting me with a pounceand neither one of those are gonna
happen. Yeah, because I'll justrun. I think I can maybe get
away. And you brought up ChampionshipWrestling from Memphis. I talk about that
for me because I know you've beenup around that area. You've been with
Caitlyn, You've done some stuff withChampionship Wrestling from Memphis. Uh, tell

(53:07):
me that atmosphere. Dustin star is, he's been on the show as well.
You go back and listen to thatin archives, A great guy.
What was your expenses like in ChampionshipWrestling from Memphis? And Uh, that
environment I mean, because it justlooks like it's fun. Uh. Well,
I, Um, I enjoyed it. I enjoy it. Um.

(53:30):
I like the fact that they theytook the character that Caitlyn and I have
been building and they put it towork on television. She is the first
female to be a main event staron Memphis television, which is which is
history making in itself. Um.She was the first Queen of Memphis,

(53:52):
so there was that. Um.The environment is very old school. They
have agents. Uh, Austin Lane, if you can get him on the
show, you need to reach outto him and get him on the show
Great Guy. His wife is NickyLane, which is actually the Memphis Women's
Champion Great talent. Neil Taylor isone of the head producers there and I've

(54:16):
known Neil. First television taping thatI ever worked was in Memphis. It
was for Pork Chop, Cash andBrick House Brown was in Uh it was
in Jackson. I think I saidMemphis, but it was in Jackson And
I worked Neil Taylor that day onthe first show of the taping, which

(54:36):
was a lot of fun, sogreat environment. Dustin. Dustin has been
very good to us, so Ihave no complaints. Yeah, I've checked
it out. I've had Dustin norshow. I've actually had Precious on the
show. You know, Caitlin's beenon the show in the passing ground work
on getting her back on because Idefinitely wants, you know, talked to

(54:58):
her and catch up how things havebeen with her, because she's really just
kind of really uh was it growninto her own here over the last couple
of years, and really really has. She's finally the lightbulb is finally going
off for her. And I cantell you that the the exposure on television

(55:19):
for her has has done great thingsfor her career. Um, she's she's
wrestling places that I haven't even wrestledat. Um, and that's that's something
else. I've really put my mycareer on the back burner for her,
and uh, I like to travelwith her, and uh I like to
I like to see her succeed,you know what I mean, because she's
still she's still pretty young in thebusiness, and and there's a lot more

(55:44):
that she, you know, shecan accomplish that I wasn't able to accomplish.
So and I'd really like to seeher, you know, at one
of the big shows or you know, with a contract or something like that.
Now, I know this is gonnaair after the fact, but I
want to go ahead and talk aboutit. We got uh, we got
an event that's happening in a coupleof days, which you know, by

(56:06):
the time this air is it tobe over with. But you got Frankie
Thomas said, Person two G five. I do, Um, I'm actually
making my debut at Pro Wrestling twotwo five this Saturday night. It'd be
uh, what's at the eighteenth,I think, yep, And I'm actually
looking forward to that. Like Isaid, you know, I uh,

(56:28):
the last two months, I've droppedalmost thirty pounds. I weigh two hundred
and six pounds now, so I'vedropped a lot of weight. Um,
and I feel good. My backdidn't hurt as bad anymore. So I'm
really really looking forward to getting touh to Todd with Frankie. And uh,
like I said, you know,Frankie's one of the best kept secrets

(56:49):
in this part of the world.I mean if and you know, Brendan,
you said that he gets overlooked alot. You know, if Frankie
would be a little egotistical and puthis foot down, he wouldn't get overlooked
because he's take good. Yeah,I agree with you on that, and
I think that. Uh and ifI wasn't at Battles on Saturday night,
I would make the trip to Columbiajust to see this match. But lucky

(57:14):
me, lucky me, I've gotsomebody who's gonna record those matches for me,
so I will see that match.Well, hopefully you can put the
commentary to it. Oh, I'dlove to put some commentary to it.
So if I when I get thatvideo, I definitely will and send it
to you. Because, uh,there's one thing I love doing is Uh,
I'd love to call a Chris Blackmatch. Uh. You know,

(57:35):
I mean you've heard my commentary.I wouldn't say I was a great commentator,
but I think I I think Ican pull off a good heel commentary
here and there. Hell yeah,hell yeah. And I think that you
and Frankie will have a good matchit. As a matter of fact,
Katelin'll be there as well, rightyep. They two two five does this
annual show called the Mayor's Cup,And I think she's in in that tournament

(58:00):
with the women. And uh,I think uh Ellie is on that show.
Britney Lynn is on that show.Um. Who is the chick that
works for Devi's Diamond Championship Wrestling,Amber Rodriguez? Yeah her? Uh and

(58:20):
the girl that runs around with herI'm bad amorous Blair. Yeah. So
I mean they got, uh,they got a pretty good women's division going
over there, which is which iswhich is great. Um. I love
women's wrestling when it's done right andit's not a bunch of hair pulling and
pillow fighting. So all right,and I'll say this about Caitlyn and Britney
as a matter of fact, Uh, they ain't gonna be nowe to that.

(58:43):
It's gonna be a good a goodbrawl and uh, enjoy a wrestling
match because you can see these womenwrestling. That what I'm thinking he is
right now, Britney Lynn, CaitlinBlack, Chris Black, Frankie Thomas.
Who that could be a good dealright there? Couldn't. Yeah? Well,
Uh, the thing about Brittany andKaitlyn as I trained both of them,

(59:05):
so um, I helped Jesse Daltontrained Brittany Lynn, and I trained
Caitlin. So um, well,look, I'll put it this way.
I finished Caitlin because when when herand I got together, she could bump
and do some things, but wasn'tanywhere near where she is now. So
and and they were trained like men. They they were they there was no

(59:30):
there was no powder puffing them throughit. They were stretched and ran and
slammed and all of that just likethe men were. And to me,
you know, get I'll get backto that in just a second, because
I want to throw this in there. When we first went to Memphis,
Caitlin kind of questioned her ability becauseshe wasn't working the same style as those
women up there, and uh,that hybrid spot spot spot style, and

(59:54):
I told her, I was like, well, babe, you wasn't trained
that way. That's not that's notyour character, that's not who you are.
You're an old school women's wrestler.That that's what that's what makes you
different than everybody else, you know. And to me, Caitlin works a
lot like Sherry Martell. Oh,yes, I'll agree. And and that's

(01:00:15):
and that's another thing. People willtalk about the women's revolution now. Uh,
let me say something. I thinkwomen's wrestling now is great. Yes,
I agree, but Sherry Martell wasthe trailblazer there. Sure she was
because she got to work with realwomen's wrestlers, Bambi and the Fabulous Moolah

(01:00:37):
and Rocky Robin. You know,all of those were great women's workers,
you know, and you know,and that's what I told Caitlyn. I
said, Yeah, it's nice tobe able to do that flashy shit,
but at twenty one years in thebusiness, the flashiest thing I'm gonna do
is a leg drop from the secondrope. And that's only if I'm feeling

(01:00:57):
froggy, you know what I mean. You don't need to do all of
that to get over. Nope,And that's what they don't understand. Nope.
And it's finally it's finally setting into her that she that she's understanding
what I've been trying to tell her. It's not about it's not about a
bunch of flashy bullshit. It's notIt's about being able to tell a story,

(01:01:20):
get it over, and be acharacter, because that's what people want,
that's what they enjoy. And youbrought up a name in there by
the name of Jesse Dalton. AndI hate that you're gonna miss this Saturday
night, but I am gonna putmy foot in Jesse Dalton's ass and I
will I will finish him off thiscoming Saturday night. I promise you that

(01:01:43):
right now, because well Brandon,I I like you, buddy, I
swear I do. But uh,you better eat as many boxes of wheaties
as you can buy until Saturday,because I Jesse is a tough son of
a bitch. Here is m andI'll tell you this. I gotta put
him over real quick. Um,Jesse Dalton is actually my daughter's godfather.

(01:02:08):
I'm sorry, yeah, so uhuh. And I've been a tag team
with with Jesse and I've had warswith him we were Southern Discomfort for about
two years, which was a realfun time for me. Well, well,
y'all did make a kind of areunion at Batlezone not too long ago,

(01:02:28):
and y'all had a match. Uh, and if I'm not mistaken,
y'all turned up on the losing him. But was that it hung? Yeah?
It was. And I'll just saythis though, Jesse and you talk
about how tough he is. Iknow he's a tough song bitch, I
ain't you ain't gotta tell me that. But see, I'm smart. I

(01:02:50):
got Joey Abel in my corner.Joey Abel will do the dirty work and
then I will put the foot inJesse Dalton's ass and I will beat him
more in two three and the ring, Well, something to keep under your
hat. Uh, they're Brandon.You know that Jesse is who trained Joey,
So the old saying rings true.He taught Joey everything he knows,

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but he didn't teach Joey everything.But he knows that. That is true
too, That is true to you. You're making a lot of good valid
points. I'm starting to second.Thanks Saraday night. Well, you gotta
lay it all out that That's whatmakes me such a great wrestler, because
I travel all avenues before I stickmy foot in my mouth. Yeah,
I think I've already stoked my footin my mouth, but hey, I

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mean that's the way it goes.Sometimes before we do start wrapping up,
I'm gonna I'm gonna getting towards theend because I know you're a busy man
and all, but uh, Ido want to touch on a couple more
things. You know, over thelast year we've talked, We've been,
like I said, been in severallocker rooms together, and just recently at
bowles On there was another reuniting andthat was you and Eric Black and sir

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you, uh, he came outunder the fake name or folks name,
whatever you want to call it,a Justin Zane, and you got in
the ring with him, you beathim in. Then when you beat him,
you pretty much told everybody You're like, I've been in the ring with
this guy because he had a maskon, and you told him, you
said, this is not Justin Zane, this is a Black. This is

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it black. I've been in thering with him enough. What did it
feel like to reunite with Eric thatnight? Well, Eric. I trained
Eric back in six and uh,I took him on the road with me
and we had huge, huge successas a tag team. We're we're the

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only tag team in NWA history tohold the NWA Mississippi and the NWA Southern
Tag titles at the same time.Wow, um, we actually were.
We had seven different tag championships atone time, including both NWA straps.
Um eric Is is out of allthree of or the other two of my

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brothers and myself, he is probablythe smoothest wrestler out of us all.
Um. He likes that huge bumpstyle and all of that, and uh,
we have difference than the of opinionold wrestling, but he's so good

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and he gets overlooked a lot too. And that's because he refuses to talk
on a microphone. I don't knowif you know this, but uh and
you may. I was down ina w a. I'm a manager,
double brilliant one baby, that's right. So I had to find a partner
for Charlie. Ah, what's thatwas that? Blug? I'm sorry?

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Was that a cheap plug? Yeah? It was a cheap plug. Yeah,
I gotta get it in there.But I was looking for a partner
for Charlie as And the only personthat could come to mind at that time
that I knew I could get intoBrie and Ink was Eric Black. And
I brought Eric Black into Brie andInk to uh come in and take on

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bounties and beer, you know.And uh, I mean everybody was asking
me that week who was my tagteam partner or who was gonna be charteris
taxing partner? You know, Iain't gonna tell you peons any damn thing.
Why would you even ask? Butdo you know when I said his
name and he came out, hegot a pop yea. And people,

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you know, because you're sitting here, a lot of people are thinking,
who who's his taxing partner? Youknow, You're thinking somebody this in the
company, somebody there. And thenI bring in Eric Black and they're like
wow, you know, and itwas a good deal. I've been around
Eric enough too, and uh spenda lot of time in the locker room
with him. Actually, uh spendseveral sugar free red bulls with him too.

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Don't let him Mary fool you withthat, because I tell you this
right now. He's I'll tell areal quick story. So me and him.
Are in the locker room and Iusually have a six pack of sugar
free Red Bull because he won't writenothing but sugar free red Bull. And
we were in the locker room andthis referee I'm not gonna mention any names,

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came into the locker room. He'slike, hey, could you go
to the store and get me ared Bull? And the referee is like,
yeah, I do it. SoEric gives him twenty bucks and he
goes out of the locker room.He goes to get it. Now,
this was at six o'clock. Ithink the show started seven, and it's

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six fifty, no referee, nored bull, and I'm sitting back here
and now I look at him andI said, I said, I'm just
gonna say this. I'm you know, you're not getting your red Bull because
you gave the kid twenty bucks.That's probably what he was gonna make tonight.
So he's probably already part in somewherenow. But he did. He
did show back up with the redBull. And then when he showed back

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up with him, I kind ofribbed the ref with that. I was
like, you go and you spendan hour to get a red Bull?
And I said and then you bringback a hop one. I mean,
you know it was it was.It's crazy, but uh, Chris is
always it's fun to have you onand everything. But before we do get

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out here, if there's anything youwant to plug, anything you want to
say, man, the floor isyours. Don't really have a whole lot
of shows to plug. Like Isaid, I've slowed down quite a bit.
Um. I know that I'll beat Pro Wrestling two two five September
eighteenth. Um, I'll be backin Boonville, Mississippi September the twenty fifth,

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and then I'll be back in Boonvillefor TV October the second. So
as of right now, that's that'sreally all I have on the books.
Well, that brought me to onemore time. I forgot to ask SCW
we're gonna have any more shows oris the retirement coming? Uh well,
I'm gonna hold off until the firstof the year. Um. You know,

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we've been running pretty steady. Weran all the way through the pandemic.
We didn't take any time off andhad some really really good success during
the pandemic. Um, So I'mjust kind of I'm kind of burnout on
the promoting side. Of things.So I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off until
the first of the year and getkicked back off. Then Oh that sounds
good. But I'm gonna just saythis, next time, when you do
start running that sw show, we'regonna bring you back on. We're gonna

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promote it on here a little bit, and uh, get that going.
And I've got to get down toSCWU. But every time I've had a
chance to try to get down there, something's come up. So, uh,
we're gonna we're gonna make that happenthe next time. You're always welcome,
so just let me in it.I will and uh, but I
as always man, I appreciate youcoming on. You're always welcome, you

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know that. Uh, And we'llget that going. How about that good
deal, Brandon, We need toget a roundtable discussion going a couple of
the other guys. Dude. Asa matter of fact, when we go
off there here and for just asecond, I'm gonna run something by you,
so you just hain't tight on thatone. Good deal? This is

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