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August 10, 2021 • 30 mins
Days before his big fight at the Hard Rock in Biloxi MS JD joins us to talk about MMA & what the future holds for him in wrestling plus much more,

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(00:00):
This is the Full Time Beast JadyJenkins, and you're listening to the King
of Wrestling Podcasts. This is JohnnySwinger, that King of Swing. You're
listening to the King of Wrestling podcastand don't sing it, swing It.
And you're listening to the podcast numberone. Ladies and gentlemen, my name
is Brian Pillman Junior. And you'relistening to the Kings of Wrestling podcasts.

(00:24):
This is our Dicky Di. You'relistening to the King of Wrestling podcasting.
And now you're host to Print Attorney. Yes, Sam the hostwood the Most
and welcome into King of Rustling podcastand you can go like us on Facebook
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at KOWP. But I want towelcome in a very special guest. He

(00:46):
is not other than the Full TimeBeast j D Jenkins. What's going on?
J D? Long time? No, it's going good man, You're
right, long time no, see, I don't know how, I don't
know how long it's been since wewent this long without seeing each other or
hearing from each other. And whiletoo long, man, way too long.
We need we need to catch uphere soon we do, we do

(01:07):
it. I need to. Iwant to jump into something because you got
a big fight this coming weekend.It's gonna be off the charts. Uh,
whyon't you tell the listeners a littlebit about it? In your opponents
this coming up weekend from the hardRock Casino and Belosi, I step into
the cage one more time with thewell, not the last time, just
one more time with Caleb Walls,and we are we're starting the show.

(01:32):
They said, if they need somebodyspecial to start off the show, and
none other than the full time DCgets the crowd ready, then I mean,
we're gonna rock. We're gonna rockthe hard Rock and to be it
to be a wrestler and Brandon,you've been in the business for some time
now. You've seen some of thevenues that we wrestle at, and to

(01:53):
just play at the hard Rock ishumbling and is maybe trained harder than I've
ever trained before. Oh, there'sno doubt. I mean, and the
hard Rock is a special place.This is a big event, and you
just you want to be in thatvenue because I'm gonna tell you something,
that's a lot of people in thatvenue and that's a big crowd. Never
in my wildest dreams, and thisis something very small, but I just

(02:15):
want people at home too. Sojust think this in for a minute.
Never in my wildest dreams that Ithink I'll be doing something that you would
have to buy on Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster'sbeen around forever, so yeah, that
is a goal right there, right, I mean baseball games that you went
to, even as you know,for the older people on this podcast,

(02:38):
I mean, Ticketmasters around a longtime, and I can just remember,
I mean I thought WrestleMania tickets offticket Master and just and that's something very
small but significant to me at leastthat you know, an event that I'm
gonna be on is sold on ticketMaster. I can remember one of my

(02:59):
first events being on Ticketmaster, andthat was a WWE raw taping in Memphis.
I think it was Memphis, Tennesseeback in nineteen ninety four. Do
you keep your studs? I do. I got them somewhere like the old
ones. I really got uh downat my dad's house. I know I
still got them. Some of thenewer ones I don't. Kids nowadays won't

(03:21):
won't appreciate that because like we wentto a baseball game of this past May
the Atlanta Braves and the tickets arein my uhlet, So I mean,
I can look back around on anything, but there's something about that piece of
that little piece of paper that representedthat ticket that you could, you know,
put in your sock draw or somethingand when you're where you're a little

(03:43):
bit or to look back and justtake the memories. It's not gonna do
the same to the iPhone. Idon't believe. Oh no, no,
it's not. It's just like comicbooks used to getting the physical comic book
was awesome. Now you're getting acomic book on a Kendor or iPhone or
iPad and stuff like this is justnot the same, no one. It
loses a little bit of touch toit, for sure, a little I

(04:04):
guess more of a um real feelto it, because you know, you
can read anything on a on aphone. You could only read the comic
book out of the comic book,so exactly. And that's the feeling.
Now. Now, JD. Ibrought you on here, We're gonna we're
gonna talk about that fight a littlebit more. And you know that's the
big deal coming up this weekend.But you know I'm gonna have to dive

(04:27):
into back in March. You knowin April, you know you you laid
the law down. Man, youuh kind of said that you was leaving
one lady for another. Uh.I've been waiting to get this. I've
been waiting to talk to you aboutthis. I mean, I know how
things have been. A pro wrestlingis not the easiest thing to get into.

(04:48):
MMA is not the easiest thing todo. But man, what what's
the hardship has been like for youin wrestling over the last year up until
about April. It's frustrating when you'reeasily, in my opinion, one of
the most feared guys in the lockerroom. And not feared because it's feared

(05:12):
because at any point in time,I can beat any man. God ever
made that in that rain and justyou cover wrestling, Brandon. If I'm
wrong, dispute it. There isnow one soul who walks this planet,
who enters that squared circle, whoI couldn't beat on any given night,
on any given night and have akiller match with. And it's just frustrating,

(05:38):
man, because you make you makephone call, you put yourself out
there and you tell promoters, somepromoters that used to have your back and
things of this nature and say,you know what, you don't even gonna
pay me no more because because JenkinsHousehold, we've been blessed. Man.
We have been blessed through the fortunesof MMA and sponsorships, and my sponsorship

(05:59):
team takes really good care of meum and a lot of things have turned
my way. So money ain't eventhe issue. I told these people I'd
come for free, told him I'dcome for free, and just to get
passed up by some guys who Ifeel that can't even lace my boots.
It's just it was just a frustratingtime. But I but I learned something

(06:24):
Brandon, back back in the backin March when I when I said I
was taking a break, and alot of people misinterpreted my post. I
was actually just trying to be alittle a little bit of a jerk or
a little bit of I was messingaround a little bit by the way I
did it by writing a love letterto professional wrestling and saying, uh,
you know, it wasn't you,it's me. But a lot of people

(06:45):
took it all serious and they startedmy praises Brandon, They started singing my
praises and they started to wish mefarewell, but it wasn't out of them
being nice, because you know it, just like I do. Every pro
wrestler and the back is looking atstabut into the back as quickly as they
can so they can have their spotin the future. You want to know
why they were singing my praises Brandon, It was fear, fear, absolute

(07:08):
fear, and they were thanking Godthat man jd ain't gonna be on the
card. There's at least something onthe spot. Hey, Geo Savage,
right now, I will say hislucky stars. I'm not in battles on.
Right now, Geo Savage is sayinghis lucky stars. I know he
got a good win against Night Mayorwhen they when they went to Raleigh,

(07:29):
but he's saying his lucky stars becauseif I sowed up the battles on,
Gero Savage is going back to theundercard. And you know that just as
well as I do. You knowif I show up the battles one,
that those folks who claimed to beon top, those those folks who claim
to be the man, no longerbecome that. Because when I walk into

(07:53):
the room, I'm alpha. Iam the Alpha male in every room.
I stepien, and I would anyoneout there who's listening to the sound of
my boys refute that. Tell meone time, Brandon, that you watched
one of my matches and battles onthe day to have somebody else come out
to the ring and jump me.That's just what I was about to say.

(08:13):
I mean, if when they beatyou it took two or three people.
There's only been a couple of timesin my career, and a couple
of men in my career that canclaim they've beaten me clean cleaning the set
of the ring without any help,without idiot, without any anybody in the
bag, no shenanigans, no rest, not seeing the call straight up the

(08:37):
way wrestling was made, man onman. There's no one that can touch
me. I have proven myself tobe the king of combat in the in
the pro wrestling circle. And youtalk about, you know, the fear
that goes through the locker room.You know there's a lot of guys that

(09:00):
locker room. You know their heartswould drop if they came in seen so
and so versus. JD. Jenkinsput out that post and my and my
my picture was on that post.You could hear in the wrestling world a
bunch of guys swallowing beat like crap. I thought he was gone. I

(09:20):
thought I could rest easy. Butguess what, boys, you ain't getting
rid of me yet, because I'mcoming for a lot of your heads and
and there ain't no more with this. Oh you're a nice guy. You're
nice the fans, so I'm gonnabe nice to you. I'm coming for
everyone, everyone with a heartbeat,everyone who's got blood in their veins,
if they got if they got asack between their legs, they are mighty.

(09:43):
They are in the crosshairs. Andthere's a lot of wrestlers out there
who I'm going after. You've gotguys like West Warren, who's who's now
nowadays Arey came. You look athim, he looks like he's got diarrhea
or he's constipated. He's got anangry look on his face. Guarantee you,
when I little change just to fear, he starts pissing himself because he
knows who stands before him, andhe knows that he can't touch me.

(10:09):
Who you all fire today? Huh? You got guys like Ray Fiery,
Ray Fiery, who has befriended mea long time when when when he and
I first got in the restaurant,and it took me to get a little
bit older to realize it. Hebefriended me out of fear because he knew
he knew what kind of friend,or he knew what kind of competitor I
was, and how much it wouldconvenient him if we were friends. Yeah,

(10:35):
how a series of matches. Doyou think people would be selling the
yelling heat? They wouldn't have theopportunity because ray fiery to be on the
shelf. All I know, Yeah, you know that is a you know,
I didn't think about that till justnow, but that is a that's
a fact there. You know,he befriended you so you would stay out

(10:58):
of his way. Of course,it's a gangster move. I like.
I like old Raymond Noodle Spery.He's he's a good he's a good guy.
He's a little funny. He goesout there, he uses a Brooklyn
accent. He says a bunch ofstupid words and it's entertained. He's like
a little circus monkey that you justwatched dance and you enjoy it. He's
known more he's nothing more than ajester for a king, a king of

(11:20):
combat. And that's what I amnow because now I see now I've taken
a step back. And sometimes inorder to think something, you got to
take a step back and overlook andsee everything from the very top, and
you see it on fold when you'renot in the middle of it, and
you go, hmm, Now Iknow what the problem is. The problem
is people have used my kindness,my humbleness, my respect to my disadvantage.

(11:48):
And I'm not even taking about guysin Mississippi. Hey, let's look
at Elevate Pro. You got ElevatePro. Who's there a champion right now?
Minatur You that'tarus are champion? Lookinglooking like he's done found meth in
Pittamese because he's done lost a wholebunch of weight. Last time I was
in the ring with Menatari, dumpedit on his head and beat Hey,
here's a fun fact about Elevate.Every every champion they've had here recently,

(12:13):
all the way back to Ray Fury, I've beaten and the one little Slytherin
snake that they had before him.But the only reason I had to beat
him because I never thought him incombat. I never fought him in combat.
You think you fought a fight himin contact and combat? That little
five foot Moorla door had a chance. Come on, man, a lot

(12:37):
of you, a lot of yourdoors out there in your video games and
your comic books and your and yoursocial media post and you like you believe
one thing to be true. Letme tell you Game of Thrones ain't real.
But I am well, I'm wantto jump into one more thing too,
because we're gonna get back to somemore of this stuff. But per

(12:58):
Wrestling, Ego, they got youcoming back in September. Now I want
you to tell us a little bitabout that event. But now, is
there gonna be anymore dates after that? Honestly, I have nothing. I
have. The only date I havefor pro wrestling is the date with Ego.

(13:22):
And here's why I'm waiting. I'mnot just gonna be here, Johnny
come lately to wrestle just because orwrestle. Wrestle is just any oldbody.
I'm looking for competition. I'm lookingfor things that intrigue me. I'm looking
for real fights. I'm looking forpeople to step up. I'm looking for
people to grow balls. I'm lookingfor people to get all their comfort song.

(13:43):
And by the way, if youthink you can spin around and jump
all the ropes and be an acrobatin the ring with me, I will
prove you real quick in at ahurry. That crap didn't work here.
If you're looking to have the world'sgreatest matchine in front of fans, that
I ain't gonna work here. I'mnot looking for five stars. I'm looking
to put people on hospital beds.I'm not looking to make Dave Meltzer get

(14:05):
all excited and have the middle ponein between his legs growth. I'm looking
to put people in hospitals and towin championship belts and to cast checks.
That's what I'm here to do.Well, jad I'm gonna say this,
Okay, I've known you for afew years, been around you a lot,

(14:26):
but I have not I mean,I've never heard you just fired up
this motivated for destruction. Man.I mean, you're sound like a crazy
train off the tracks. I havea different mindset now, once you go
to a war, once you dowhat I do. Tell me this,
Brandon, how many people have theballs to do the things I've done?

(14:48):
How many people have had the balls, to hump, to put themselves out
there and step into a cage withanother human being. Not many, half
naked in front of a bunch ofdrunk people, like the Gladiators did back
in the day. Not many.You want to why, because people pro

(15:11):
wrestling is nothing but a bunch offearful little boys trying to hold onto a
spot because pro wrestling fans have allowedthem to. Firstling fans have gotten lazy.
All they want to do is makechance. All they want to do
is be a part of the show. They don't want to sit there,
and they don't want to see realmen. They want to see these modern
day millennial boys go out there,who who don't even weigh two hundred pounds,

(15:37):
don't even don't even have a sixpack, can't even live three fifteen,
become champion half things, duns whowork, can't even beat up the
rood in the front row a littlelong stand in the ring with me.
Do you have Do you have anyresentment towards the fan ends? I don't,

(16:02):
look I have. I have alot of people who support me.
I have a lot of people whohave who have spent serious money on me.
Brandon, I'm talking serious oh andby the way, for all these
little all these little people who aregonna say marky things like, oh,
j D k draws, j D. Ken draw, I've sold two thousand
dollars in tickets to watch meat fightfor one event. How many pro wrestlers

(16:26):
can say they've sold a thousand intheir career or five hundred in their career
one night. Two thousand dollars ticketsales. And we're not talking about ten
dollars tickets neither. We're not talkingthese Weasley, these Weasley little ten dollars
and you get on the front rowkind of tickets. You're we're talking my

(16:48):
here's spending and eight hundred dollars fora table. The from murder is putting
you in a hotel that they're givingyou gift bags in the back. Why
you to think I went to Istarted to focusing on MMA because that's where
the money is as long as andyou know whose fault it is, these
little storky wrestlers who can't draw fliesif they're covered in crap. But now

(17:15):
Daddy's back, and Daddy's coming totake control of the game, and I'm
gonna have to do what these littleboys couldn't do. I'm gonna start beating
these people and getting rid of someof these people until the game is brought
back. So the game is broughtback to where we were, so where
we were selling out buildings every nightto two real men were staying in a
ring, sharing blood and fighting forcompetition, not to wow the crowd,

(17:37):
not to not to to popular littlefriends in the back of your little twitch
room, but to be men,to be competitionous, to see who is
the baddest man walking this planet.That's what we all started to love wrestling
for. We can we can makebelieve and say we're you know, oh
very we love all the up andyou don't. What you care about is
who's winning the world title. That'swho you care. You care about whose

(18:02):
long stop? You care about thatguy? You want to see who the
padisman is at the end of thathas competition, And that's what we're bringing
back. That's what I'm bringing back. And if and if the proposing community
don't want to do it, I'lldrag them by the scuff of the neck
until they get it. That's whatI'm talking about, Jay He I mean,
you are on fire right now.Now. There is We're gonna get

(18:27):
back to your fight this weekend justa minute. But before we do,
is there any you know, promotionthat you really just want to come in
and prove everybody wrong here and justtake take take it back. Like you
said, you want to know what'spromotions that that interests me? That is

(18:52):
that that I feel that I couldjust roll through. Yes, let's let's
just start in Alabama while all weektake a promotion. You can throw a
rocket Alabama and Final wrestling promotion right. It would be easy to take them
all out because they all had thesame guys on every card. They have
the same guys on every car.You look at Alabama, tell me I'm

(19:15):
wrong. I don't wait for someoneto tell me I'm wrong. You look
at every Alabama and Alabama set upnorth and south. You look at North
Alabama and you look at South Alabama. Every wrestling promotion in Alabama has the
same booths on every card. Itwouldn't take me long. It would take
me a couple of months to wipeout everybody on on the roster. Who

(19:36):
who's the champion right now? Ina wa mac Daddy does, I'm gonna
hurt your feelings real quick? BecauseI know, I know they're your boys.
But tell tell me if you're you'reas their manager, would you have
the wisdom to sign that allowing againstme now right now? No, No,
I'll protect my assets and no,definitely would not do that now.

(20:00):
I know Mac would would accept it. But we don't need I don't need
nothing. Us back to school.If Mac is willing to signifight against me,
it's the same thing as trying tostart an ice cream parlor and a
sauna and ain't gonna work out wellfor him. And hey, by the

(20:22):
way, you can go tell himMac that go tell Mac that he's got
a belt that I want, andhe can either do two things. He
can either give it to me,surrender and apologize for being in my presence,
or I will come to the ringand take it from you. Because
truth be told, Brandon, atthe end of the day, if I
decided to, no matter what promotion, You've seen the security, the security

(20:44):
staff, and so have I.If I decided to walk to the ring
and get in there and do whatI do best, who is going to
stop me? Nobody? They betterbring an army, and I'm used to
fighting an army. I done itmy old career, five on one,
six on one. I've done itmy whole career, and I'm not afraid

(21:06):
to do it now. Tell allthe little kiss hands to step up or
step aside, and that's just awa. Let's go to revolt. Who's the
champion of a revolt right now?Right now, I'm not even sure who
the we're champion is there? Rightnow? I have to check that and
see, God, matter doesn't matter. And the fact that you gotta check

(21:27):
is the staple of the way rovolt. Is the fact that you gotta check
and see, you have to runand look at the internet is the pure
shape of what I'm talking about,the way this business has ran. And
by the way, when you dogo look at because I know you're going

(21:48):
to because it's gonna drive you crazy. Because because I know it's gonna drive
you crazy, do you find outdo me a favor, Let him know,
Let him know. He can eitherhim that one is me, give
me what I is Earth, orI'm coming. I'm coming to his arena
one way or another, and invitedor not, I'm gonna knock down the
door and I'll take it from you. And no matter how hard he prays,

(22:11):
no, that hard hard he trains. I guarantee you who you gonna
put more training in than need,Brandon. I don't know who the champion
is at Revolt right now, butwhen I trained for an M and A
fight, I do an eight weekcamp and it's seven days a week of
hard training, hard cardio, hardweight lifting. You know what I would

(22:33):
do to train for the duty Revolt. I would smoke a pack of Marlboro
Light and order a large pizza andI'd still wipe the floor of that bombay.
Let's move on. Hey, doyou know who the champion is that?
What's that promotion? Or was itPro South? New South? They
got a bunch of those. Alabama'sgot a ton of those. Let's just

(22:56):
stick in Alabama for a minute.Who who's the champion of New South?
Do you know? I don't.I don't know this. You don't know
because they don't. No one cares, No one cares. But I guarantee
you this in Jump Sanders, Iknow you may be listening, so your
fat button needs to pay attention.You know it, just like I know
it. None of those little twitchpolats you have on your little game James
system can touch me. Physically onthe microphone in Marine. They can't touch

(23:23):
me, and I would love tosee them try. Let's go to Mississippi.
Let's go to Mississippi. We allknow Gito don't want none of this.
We all know Gito don't one ofthis. Come on, man,

(23:44):
I would think that would be disrespectfulto Geo. He's a new champion.
He fought hard of his Nightmare.Who is somebody I do respect? And
uh as far as a guy whowas willing to go in there banging,
I've had several battles with Nightmare,and I'll do enough as much as on
a step on his skull. Respectthe dude for that. Don't mean I
won't whooping us. Tell later,but Jo knows he ain't battant testing enough

(24:07):
to step in the ring with me. Heart will only get you so far
when your heart quins Pete and youain't nothing you can do. That's true.
I am the pro wrestling Ego Mississippistate champion already conquered that didn't conquered
that. Hey, I'm, bythe way, speaking of West Warren.
A little earlier. I gave himthe opportunity to take it. While to
do give me the may Days andhe lost the title for me, I

(24:30):
had to go gain it back.So West Warren, you got your butt.
You got a bat whooping and waitingfor that. So you can go
ahead and look mad and work onyour mean poses on the internet. Son,
when I step into the ring,your butt's mine. Well, you
did have a lot to get offyour chest here on the show. But

(24:51):
I mean, and I can't waitfor you to return to pro wrestling.
But I want to know this.We know you're coming back for the EGO
Show, but we're gonna see J. D. Jenkins in a wrestling ring
after that in twenty twenty one.Of course you will. Of course you
will. I'm a full time beast. I'm just waiting for the opportunity.

(25:14):
I want all the promoters who listento this podcast to listen to me,
and listen to me. Well,I don't need your money. I'm a
wealthy man. I'm a wealthy man. You can save your little twenty dollars
and a hot dog and a handshake. You ain't gonna pay me a dime.
I will make my money off merchandisesales. Why because people want to
see me wrestle. I don't needyour money, so you can. You
can take your little little pittance thatyou want to give me and you can

(25:37):
stuff it back into your pockets andgo buy more video games or whatever the
heck you do on your free time. I could care less about your money.
What I want is your championships.I'm not in this for money.
I have money, Brandon. I'ma very, I'm a very. I'm
a very good place. I makeenough money in Mma. I want to
take wrestling over in my free timeas a hobby. That's something I want

(26:02):
to do for fun. Why simplybecause I can, and it's something that
needed to be done a long timeago, just no one had the balls
to do it. Wow. Ithink we got a little more than we
anticipated on this show. And butbefore we do get to wrapping it up,
Jdas always, you know you're welcomeon here anytime. But let me

(26:22):
ask you this, give the listenersa little bit more info on this Saturday
night when you step foot into hardrock and take out another one. I
am going to do what I alwaysdo. I'm gonna put my off piece
in my music is gonna hit thosespeakers. I'm gonna walk down to the
cage and I will walk forward andif this dude can deal with that,

(26:42):
God bless you. But I planon doing what I do best, and
that's bringing the fight. Bringing thefight and has cost me in the past,
but it's one more with that,with that strategy, then not I'm
three and one. I'm looking tobecome foreign one and I'm not stopping there.

(27:03):
I will be the first guy amongstamongst the Southeast to hold a title
in both to NMA and pro wrestling. That's what I'm talking about. What
we're gonna wrap up real quick.And before we do that, I'm gonna
let you plug whatever you want,don't care what it is. If you've
got a cookies to sell, thefloor is yours. J D. Man.
I just want to take time toappreciate my sponsors, the full Time

(27:26):
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make sure you stop by black acts. It's something different to do. Don't
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alley. All right, Arcades don'texist anymore. Real fun is acts throwing.
They have music, they have entertainment, they have drinks, they have

(27:47):
great food through deca have until afterthis fight is over. And the people
there are honestly great people. Theyback law enforcement. The owner there.
He has served in every form ofcivil service that you can. He's been
a police officer, he's been afirefighter. He's just all around good dude.

(28:10):
Go check out Black Acts. Alsocheck out my boys here. King
of Wrestling Podcast, Baby the hostwith the most Brandon Turner. When I
tell you, I remember when thispodcasting first Scott started and to watch Brandon's
hard work and effort in growing thisthing is humbling and inspiring. And if

(28:32):
you're watching this is for a reasonbecause of Brandon's hard work. And I
know he's had a lot of helpalong the way, but there has to
be ahead at the table. Notthe quote running rains, but definitely Brandon
Turner's hard work with the King ofthe King of Wrestling podcast. Is Key
also got another podcast from a differentside of things. He does politics.

(28:53):
It's kind of like me. Hesays way he thinks and it's on his
mind. I'm talking about the ClayWords show. This dude talks about real
life issues and he says it theway he feels, and whether you agree
with it or not. He givesyou a valid argument to think. He's
not just there to argue. Somepeople you argue with and it is like

(29:14):
talking to wallpaper. They can't listento reasonable thought. He's a man of
reasonable thought, and he just wantsto see the area get better at things.
And we could all we could allget better at things, and that's
all he wants to He loves thecity of Jackson, and for those who
don't know the city of that Jacksonis a crime ridden place that has potholes,

(29:36):
is a horrible place, and hewants to do everything he can to
make it better and to preach andto preach the ways of making it better.
Not just giving up on it,but have the courage to stand up
and say what's wrong in the community, to help to help sway people into
voting for people who's going to takecare of their city. And that's an
honorable thing. And I'm glad tohave him on. And brother, that's

(29:56):
pretty much everything for me. Ithank you for having me on. I
told you I had a lot onmy chest, and there it is.
I feel a little bit better now. I think I lost two pounds doing
this. I think he did too. But I'm gonna tell you something.
You may have fired up the prowrestling community. There may be a JD
storm coming through very very soon.Tell him I ain't hard to find.
They know how to reach me.They do, and I appreciate you coming

(30:19):
on as always, You're more thanwelcome and JD Man, we really appreciate
it. All right, brother,this is being Audio Zoe Production. What's
your thinking, Zoe
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