March 28, 2024 • 40 mins
En este episodio, nos sumergimos en el universo de Dune Parte II junto a los chicos de No Le Llegaste Podcast, explorando su contexto, comparando el libro con la película y analizando el proceso de creación detrás de esta segunda entrega.
Tambien, conversamos sobre el significado de Dune en el cine de ficción y aventura, reflexionamos sobre la posibilidad de una tercera entrega, compartimos nuestras impresiones sobre lo que nos gustó, lo que no y nuestra experiencia en el cine.
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Hey. I' m Denis Gomezand I' m Louren Fernández and this
is the film mouth. An originalpodcast by Fernández y Gómez, communications recorded
in the studies of the American Dominican. In each episode, the magic of
cinema comes to life through our conversations. You can listen to all our episodes
in Spotify and Apple Podcast, fromancient prophecies to contemporary narratives. The idea
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of an individual chosen for a granddestiny has inspired countless stories. In this
episode we dive into a theme thathas captivated cinema for decades, the concept
of the chosen one and we focusespecially on one of the most anticipated films
of the year. Doone part twowelcome to a new episode of the film
mouth a Saturday rather early here andwith Denis Hello and for this episode we
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have some very peculiar guests and arethe guys from you did not reach Podcast
Hello what happy to have them here, because I know it will make you
an episode very funny. I thinkabout a pretty dramatic movie, so to
speak, but you basically didn't get it. It' s a
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podcast they talk about movies, notknowing about movies. Although I feel like
you guys know a pile of filmand you anchor a pile. The problem
is, the more we talk aboutmovies, the more we know about movies
or less. Well, I feellike I kind of started it, like
without knowing the names of any directorand now some people tell me a movie
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and I tell Diablo that' snot from and I feel like that'
s true. Die a ching insidethe table. They, when I was
invited to the podcast last year,I don' t remember what we were
talking about, but we talked abouta lot of things and like the episode
was fluid, like you said rightnow, like I think we' re
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talking about Montana, we' retalking about Hannah Montana, we' re
talking about mechanical orange, no yes, yes, I think or it was
that I' m doing, yes, it could be, it could be.
It was kind of varied. WhatI did was varied and we talked
about the for faberts, the mouth, yes, the Leters, we talked
about letter Bogs. And I hada lot of fun, gentlemen, because
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I don' t know. Theconversation was like very fluid, very dynamic,
and they have like a very darkhumor to give. We' re
talking about Beer, Ber, theband show you didn' t like.
It is true not to be othersubjects. Not that, don' t
look. What we' re goingto see was more about Sydney, Carmy
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being in love, in love,but nothing. That' s another subject.
Now we have to talk about afilm that recently premiered and that has
not stopped literally with the press,the comments, the memes, that is,
there is too much meme de teherDestil, by Stilgard, that Javier
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Bardem, there are too many memesand nothing. Basically, today we'
re going to be talking about Doom, but more than Dooom, we'
re also going to be talking alittle bit about the concept of the chosen,
that is, like those films thatencompass that concept, like On,
like Matrix, like Star Wars,like Lor of the Rings. But that
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' s like big features. Imean, you' d say because I
don' t know, you'd say Kun was a panda in that
category. With the band is thatcategory. It is the journey of milk,
exactly, exactly that he is thechosen one. So I feel like
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some kind of mane because actually,when I went to b Dun for the
second time in four of X theyput Fun' s trailer because they made
a trailer that dunnin' breathes andand good, yeah, yeah, yeah,
po, but well, what washis experience first in the cinema.
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Seeing You, but seeing the lastor the last or the last, of
course we' re talking about doompart two. You, who to start
or I start. I think youshould start, you, because Camila read
the books. I can' tread. Well, I wanted there since
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he got out, so I wasjust practicing. Well, I went with
my boyfriend, but my boyfriend didn' t read the books and didn'
t see the first one. Oh, no, but he went or read,
in short, or vium. Hecame in like this with him and
what. Well, oh, buthe hates her because he started doing it
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as a comparison with Star Wars Ok, but as a poet my experience that,
like me, I was excited becauseI was all about that Ok,
the first one was introductory elenda.I don' t know what. This
one' s gonna be either explosive, I' m gonna love the book.
I don' t know what,but I didn' t like it
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very much either. I really don' t find it like I don'
t know how to explain it likeI feel that' s what we said
in the episode of us that doonisn' t a book that should be
adapted. I feel that' sstrong, strong statements. It' s
just that that' s the samething he' s been telling people since
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the' 80s I said they didn' t smoke bo, but I feel
like the tiger shot Heavy, He, not David Linch, but it'
s okay. It' s awell- made movie, it' s
better than David Lynch' s.And yes, but still. Obviously,
we' re here for David Linch, because they' re not exactly the
same. There are more moments,but there may have been just the same.
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The adaptation to the good script leveltoo, but for me it is
i. Phil westpone very funny,I had fun in the movies. That
' s the magic of cinema.The movies. When you come in,
you know places like that, WII, wash short Break, all that thing
on the ballot was Nicole kid rI, or ok, or you did
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like it, oh no, Iloved it, I looked, really.
I loved it too. I mean, I was at the movies enjoying it,
you were laughing at the people whowere there, who were at the
meetings. Yes, we got inabout six minutes late, because then I
went to see the second time Isaid okay, I already missed about six
minutes of movies, that is,because we were also the day of being
able to premiere, so it wasreally full. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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but I really enjoyed it. I' m like the movie that caught
me at all times, I mean, there wasn' t a time when
I said not to leave me.I go leave me of this as I
mean, and it' s evensuper long, i e, long and
medium and both times I said eitherin my express I didn' t feel
it, but obviously that little.I did like it, but you guys
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saw it together. Right, Isaw her with my partner from theÁngel
Sayas podcast, which I just enteredthe cabin. How are you Angel,
all right, all right, allright, all right. So how was
the experience. Our life changed afterwe saw a two of us. Instead,
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look I was born for my mother, I will die for lisanl Gayu.
And that' s the way itis. Really. It' s
just that I feel like the filmdoesn' t capture the essence of the
book and okay what the essence ofthe book is. Exactly, the essence
of the book is like I didn' t read it. It' s
a super- political thing about religion, an environmental critique and all that sheath.
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And it' s like you freehim and there' s so much
he explores, both the characters andthe plot and what he comments on and
what' s going on and howhe forms in the worlds and situations.
But in the movie she' sbeen like a war. We' re
not gonna fight. And it's like I don' t like that
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what you were saying that you didn' t feel it. That happened to
me with the first one, butit was because I wasn' t expecting
to be cut. I was readyto see five hours that they told me
in the whole book, and whenthey cut it, I stayed a piece.
Then I didn' t feel it. Okay, so it was second.
You did feel cloth, but well, in the second hour, in
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the first hour I felt it.Super slow, like I said God,
I heard myself and when it startedlike the way it started, that it
was like a Florence pie telling,I didn' t like it at all.
I felt it like she was Hayter' s podcast device so that what
was really I felt that very hard. Florence bu Therans viue we love you
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if you' re listening to thepodcast that wardrobe of her and Watson that
killed you. Yeah, manchu didthat Yeah, I say wow, they
ate it amazing. It was withfail Brouth. If I' m over
that I' ve seen a lotof comments from people who didn' t
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like it it was count that wasnot the best Hayter cas. I'
ve got an epic movie that's been very crude. I saw her
again last night. Yes, literallyfour representing the four of ok I saw
it was the first me and Ibought the book if weekend and I started
it in cama yno and I reallystarted to realize a lot of things sas
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that told Camila ok that they actuallyjump from the beginning of the book You
don' t think that' swhat it' s like or adapting such
a dense azo book. Yes,but it has to be probable. Obviously,
literary language does not equal cinematographic language. So you' re gonna see
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things in both of them, orthe same. Yeah, it' d
take you to imagine making a fulloriginal movie, or a script, and
then someone decided to make a book. It' s never gonna be the
same, that is. In theend, I feel that in literature there
is more space to describe, becauseabove all it is not visual or auditory,
that is, it does not haveto describe everything so that people can
understand what is being seen. Soyou don' t feel that that'
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s why it' s natural thatthey' re my parts so much.
Obviously, things and things like thatare omitted from all adaptations. But that
' s why I say that Idon' t think that book can adapt
well, because the book is sodense, but the dense material it has
is essential in the literary language ituses. So I feel like everything has
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its format and I feel that Doon' s story works too well in the
literary format, that when you transferit to audiovisual, it doesn' t
work the same way. Not thesame message. I feel like Dun'
s movies became like this Blockbuster's choice of side Ban' s K
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and War, exactly like the followingbit the fight. I don' t
know what, but what' swrong with that? Why don' t
you want to. I' mnot saying it' s bad, but
since I liked the book so much, I don' t feel that it
does him justice at all, butit is very marked that concept of the
chosen one, that is, Iin my mind, in the whole film
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I was saying that the Bible JesusChrist star Wars Anna Kings. Yeah,
but index goes that way. He' s going around,' cause he
' s gonna get worse that kid. I don' t know but a
disclaimer that I saw a lot ofpeople, well, a lot of people
would say to me, oh,I don' t think I see Doone,
because to me it' s acopy of Star Wars ah duty Star
Wars is inspired by Doon, inthe book that a lot of people don
' t know, to do theStar Wars scripts. Not an adaptation,
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nothing to see, but it doesinspire and that' s why not the
color that Fullon copied Vaina from thebook you know I don' t think
there' s comment by Frank Heaberthat says look. I treated myself too
hard not to file a lawsuit.Yeah, I heard that and I gave
it later I saw that in oneof the other old books he kind of
made a Star Wars bull in one, but of doone or UE OK.
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I don' t remember it washim. I was doing as a reference
to trepo, a sheath, aswell as Burlando. But if we can
' t compare that Doom to StarWars, I feel that Doom is the
dark and super dark version. Andah not clear in all the sense.
Well, I was a Star Warsfan until exactly ht. I opened my
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third eyes. It seems to methat there' s a cas is that
literal doo a month there, that' s like that' s literally looking
at a whole felix col point butit' s that look. It seems
to me that the real point ofthe movie is because you tell me when
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you go to the movies watching astory like that. It doesn' t
seem to you that, like,it' s just like when I don
' t know. You didn't see I tiger with the tiger the
tiger with the jos tigers, yousaw that series where the tiger buys me
ex soric, you didn' tsee that Netflix series. I don'
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t know the tiger anymore, thetiger buys Tiger. Look, it'
s a man in Florida who's crazy and I remember that in the
pandemic, I think there was adocumentary series about his life and he'
s in jail and all this,and I don' t know what it
is about he' s got atiger. And then, like I hear
Shiar, a very bad person,does a lot of illegal things, mistreats
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animals even capable ma your people arein jail for some obvious reason, legal
reasons. That' s usually whypeople are in jail. But like day
Framer and noway in the series thathe is the protagonist Focking, then you,
you want Ruth for hem on YouTubeand it seems to me that that
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' s something very important in thiskind of movies, at least specifically for
the things that are there, likeColtish that I feel like because already if
like the Mix Sommer, you don' t Town Roaring, a Pokémon so
people in Mixommer, I think thatyes, I would be here, mountains
or I haven' t seen mySommer, so I can' t tell
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you. Ah, but I understandwhat kind of breaking- up reference is
going to happen. No. No, no, no. It doesn'
t mean like dual characters, theexact ero wont face persol You want him
to be doing a lot of badstuff and you want you to advocate for
time looking emotional. Then it's not just for you. When he
and I know the baddest thing inthe world, you still feel like not
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that guy. I specifically tie upthe characters that are like that of cults
that are doing cults don' tsay that of colt, but it'
s from you to literally go topeople in the movie and to the audience,
because I' m obviously indoctrinating usinto their fucking religion. And I
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think that' s why Timothy Chalameperfect cassing, because I' d go
to war for him that' sface and gold to word Ford. That,
that' s a good prospect ofthere being a pot, Timothy,
because he already has like that fanatic, so to speak, to make your
troop like his people, his followers. So, like putting them in this
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character that' s supposed to belike you say it' s like a
cult leader, but it' sthat they follow him with the memo capitu
the King happens to me the samething as him. Try you Tigery,
who' s the intimidating king,who I know is not intimidating, he
doesn' t scare me, hedoesn' t inspire me to follow him.
So he does the part right untilhe has to get to the level
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of bad people' s deploting,like you' re okay, like shy,
like with a little change, butwhen you already have to be at
the top of the throne it's like That' s that and our
line Tom that You, then it' s like I don' t know,
I didn' t like casting sybefore King it happened to me like
I didn' t believe it,I didn' t fit you that exactly,
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but in doom yes, really,on dun bread it works for me.
Bain Son Topper works. I placea lot of emphasis on the moative
part, that is, when theymake the explanation of why they choose that
name, that they follow it indesert. And he' s literally that,
I mean, to me he's that person who looks like shy,
like they tell you, like adish yelled at him. He'
s not going to anything, butI feel it' s him has that
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contrast of being able to have darkness. I feel that in his view,
even if he does not dedicate himselfagainst fait ta, for example, super
strong, I do not know whatticism is skinny, I do not know
what. But if he looks atyou in the end on a subject like
I don' t think it's good of worship, if religious and
leader issues, it' s notnecessarily a people who physically go away like
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super not walking it in the endit' s like physical, psychological,
not, like, the way hebehaves, like in the pearl. I
' m not sorry, yes,but he' s very manipulative too,
that is, if you just keepsaying that he' s a super hot
guy, the truth person is nota character, it' s very manipulative.
But already talking a little bit aboutother characters. Also because it kind
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of feels like we' re beingthe followers of Timothy shannaien to Wishi,
yeah, yeah, and it's Gai Mira. I also feel that
everyone is talking about the men inthe film, the character of Paul,
of another, of Javier Barde,of the other men. What are they
there, like around him. Butyou know who. Who are the true
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master minds to the women of Doom, both the mother of Jessica and Channey,
and Florence, who will come theReverend Mother, Shi, the Reverend
Mother, but also that, asthose women are called Benejesseric, exactly.
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Those are the real controllers of allliterally, even if they don' t
have physical presence, as I'm sending plain classes, not the faon
no costumes, they have that onethey passed on to, I mean,
it' s too imposing. Ifas he means, wives also sing like
but it' s true, ie everything leads me to the Bible,
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i e really to Paul' smom No, but he' s said
it and i e totally many ofthe constructions. I mean, it'
s supposed to be an epic movieand pictures, that is, not futuristic,
but kind of a future. Butif he' s inspired you,
you see how you look like rachis, yes, no, no, no,
and he looks like it. Andthat scene of the resurrection. That
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was epic. When nothing was nailed, yes, it was paco. I
was what a nice opening looking ather. That was the Bible and it
was wrong with isaac that another Ileave the dike this and the Bible.
That was the Bible to understand,but yes, yes. In that part
of Camila fell asleep in which onein the fight, in the fight,
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the lula she says the fights arehorrible. They didn' t tell me
about the fights, but they wereshort, I mean, I didn'
t even feel like they were becausethere' s a movie not because they
were long. If I don't think they' re with a knife,
then I feel like they' relike more high stakes, okay you
get a knife and how it dies. Exactly it' s not like,
that' s what I felt theywere like, and that' s exactly
Star Wars Look at you in StarWars, they cut you with a sabre
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lu, and they already cautized yourwound like your ta heavy. What I
' m saying is that choreography feltlike it was really done, like it
felt like you ok here me hereand I don' t know, I
didn' t like it. Butwhen I was on the plane of Austin
Bulkler, the number Tom Fath drophbut the character did, I mean,
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really persona. I don' tlike Stem Botter either. So, the
character person of even if there wasa fucking other actor works, i e
I would have been my only one, but actually casting, i e I
like Austin Butler, as an actordisclaimer so that I don' t fall
upstairs, but I read the bookto me just like Camila, the different
one that I liked how the adaptationworked to you yoc to Faith Roth I
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figured Matti po record it, ie I don' t remember what the
actor is called what Brother Fine TimeBattiste does to him, i e,
the physical description of the book ofFathroth, which ok unlike the rest,
the guy is super fet is notlike his uncle I don' t know
what, but he has the same, i e as it seems, then
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I couldn' t stop seeing thewhite painting, or good of the effect,
Austin power that is the shape ofhis lip as his face, just
as I couldn' t happen,i mean, maybe because I haven'
t seen almost anything of him,neither follow them or anything of that.
I saw elis but, unfortunately,but I didn' t see it.
Hannah Montana, yes, but Idon' t remember anything. I think
that' s what I' vedone the most about him as if they
don' t ride and I thinknobody, Carlie, as well as he
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likes his phrase in iCarly who don' t know what granny hope comes up,
the granny hope, okay but Ido feel as much as this exact
granny experance. Look at something veryimportant that I was mentioning to you when
I was watching a movie, becauseface as it is brotsa sy Ross comes
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out with teeth painted in right blackand I was telling you he' s
that. Percho I was telling youin while we' re watching the movie
that that' s something of Japaneseculture. So, I don' t
know if you guys saw blue ISamurai, I didn' t start it.
They never do. I said thatBlui Samurai, I thought I didn
' t know if you saw PerfectDays, but in a scene nobody paints.
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I saw the beto. Obviously,that' s a devil. What
a horrible jo I saw Perfect Days. That must have won international film.
That was a snow van fuck we' re going. Or that of the
black tooth is called a leaf,which builds black teeth and it was a
Japanese custom to wear black teeth witha solution of iron filings and vinegars.
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I have that on purpose, thatwas like something this traditional pra was practiced
by married women, some men withsome men when they married men of the
aristocracy or samurai, and it waslike that symbol of beauty and distinction.
Instead it goes very well in GlouiSamura. When I saw the first ones
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is, the first pictures of thetiger as pink fai, I was saying
that he Hills SHCP Big Baby,because I thought I had no teeth.
It was then like the day beforethe movie they told me not really.
If I had the right black-and- white one and his teeth are
black. If then I saw herand said ah has teeth, but I
just don' t know and toncesp Baby, when so toothless, then
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that kind of means, I reallyliked it. That' s like,
in that world of what it's called, I' m talking about
it' s called first, no, no, they' re the Mira
family, look, like, asimperialist as well as military, and then
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that one in that Japanese era wherethey painted that black tooth was like very
much like imperialist, like very muchthe norm, very slay, very punishments,
as matamadics as well And that kindof conferre is no doubt that I
like that, obviously, you haveno reference to everything about many historical things,
things that are repressed. Look,you show a doom fan the Middle
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East and they go crazy. Theysay devil exists nor rerai doon no and
evitom is strong. That' sgood. I don' t even know
if it' s left to gointo that good devil memes like a guy
I don' t know who's from Islam, from the island religion.
Seeing that film as I feel uncomfortableand already as in truth, watching
the first film, I being aperson of Arab ancestry, I myself i
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goode hse I was of that Devil. It can' t be that these
people cut me a chingo, butyou who didn' t have absolutely anyone
Arab the first extra ticket movie orgauze. I thought that was a little
bit. It' s not lawI didn' t like it. I
don' t approve of what theyhave to have, but why you because
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youker literally look at this isn't literal. I feel no, because
raks isn' t, it's not, it' s not worlds,
but if you guys listen to meand don' t beat me,
please, we' re gonna fallon you. But it' s amazing.
Four people who are not Arabic speakingto him or shiling. People don
' t know. Look who thedevil to see is true you folk,
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oblivion me. Gentlemen, there's going to be a third delivery of
Dú No. Yeah, yeah,but I mean, I think so.
What are the expectations? I hopeso. Nothing gives me to measure the
danger of the world. I'm a little afraid that they' ll
make a third delivery, because Ifeel, in my opinion, that the
or ice cream is very good andholds on. It feels like when it
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lengthens a lot, that is,you know in sagas, you' ve
got endings, yeah, endless,it' s always going down. But
I have a lot of faith inhim openly bulne top three of my favorite
director and contemporary, i e Idon' t have extreme faith to go
do it to him. I'm going to see him and I'
m going to support him. ButI saw an interview of him recently being
asked. He said good. Ihave the last seven years working only the
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dune industry i e, and atthe end of an artist, i e
he, I feel like I needa break, but I can say that
there is already a team working thescript to adapt the table to which the
second book asked him if they aregoing to divide it as well as because
the book doesn' t matter issuper tense. He said it wouldn'
t be the plan, I mean, it wasn' t. It'
s not the same, because etwell you' re not seeing me.
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But Dun the first is so gruesomemesalla, absolutely nothing, much less.
It' s a normal book thatyou have exactly and I think he,
in between lines, left saying thatif it' s going to be made,
it' s going to be asingle movie, so it seems to
me that Doon is going to bethree parts. There won' t be
more than three parts. And Ithink it makes sense, because I too
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have not read, for example,either Sallan me, or Children of Dooone
or all those who come, butI have seen that many people say that
already after mesalla the story becomes onesuper political and two as very abstract.
And imagine if the one and thetwo difficult to adapt the others. It
would be almost very Salvador Daly,very surreal. And I mean, for
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example, we were talking out ofthe air that I mean, the book
the first and the movie has alot of differences and even though I know
a lot of people who are superfan of the book, I didn'
t like it. I read thebook. I' m a fan of
a book, but I don't soper fun, but I' m
a fan. It seemed to methat all those changes met a goal for
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film language and for the current socialcontext, because in the book that'
s what I like. Well,I have to adapt to the current social
context because, like you take partof it, you wanted me to have
to listen to Watsu, change,the book changes a lot in context.
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One, for example, is thatin the position of the woman in the
book is much more. All womenare more submissive, they don' t
have the power that, for example, can describe the films that Paul'
s same mom has, that is, a Bene Jesserit, who has the
character Channy, which is her importantmoment for the second part. The construction
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in the book of these characters isnot as powerful, as we say,
the power or reflector that the filmputs in it. And even though I
understand that I also think that alot happens is that an adaptation doesn'
t mean it has to be doneto the letter, that is, you
carry the story, but that itworks then for me and that change was
super good, because believe me ifthey put Channie that to everything, then
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I would say yes, yes,to yes, yes. I agree.
I mean marry other people, I' m still here, too I'
m waiting for you to do whateveryou want It' s that people who
would have criticized thank you so much, because in the end it' s
like why you' re still orit' s like straight dealing with women.
That being so, or because youthink that in the because remember that
in the end most of the fansof two are not the fans of the
book, because not necessarily the same, so even they are adapting to the
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audience right now. So, forme in that respect, although I understand
it and respect them 100%,I do if it doesn' t work
out for me it works and asafer play than the other one. Maybe
I already see the meme and thepeople criticizing if they put the woman'
s position how she does the bookin the movie. What happens is that
it' s easy to misunderstand whatthe position is, not saying they'
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re not submissive, because obviously,the year for which dun was written is
going to be more. I don' t think I even mean it.
But, for example, with thingslike you can spoiler. You' ve
spoiled not spoiler here. Ale givehim home like the end, which was
what we were talking about out ofthe air that he tells him, hey
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I love you and suddenly he tellsthe other one I' m going to
marry you. That' s superchanged, because in the context of the
book he tells him I' mmaking you by political alliance. You carry
more of such a thing and let' s see what I know that and
this is so. There' snot one thing Channe says well, okay,
you' ll have your wives andyou' ll do whatever you want
with no. She knows how youvanders and so on. She' s
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not crazy either, yeah, butyou, saying that about Bownder, it
' s like in the end,if you don' t want to line
up with those boundaries, then youleave and that' s what she did
in the end. Yeah, butthat' s it. The fact of
the movie to Mila to you Youwanted Dun to be propaganda for polyamor or
not. I think that' sa very marked difference. That is,
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in the book, for example,she agrees that he becomes the messiah that
he is that figure, that leaderthat in the film does not, for
example, and she, let's say that she is her call to
earth. He kind of doesn't, so it contrasts. It'
s still very marked in the bookof the film. But I' ll
take the movie. She said I' m going, I' m,
no, I' m not goingto stay and see this guy get killed
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or put on a mallets. Ifyou don' t know that detail her
because you wait look what happened toNatalie Portman with Anakin. Who died.
That' s why he' sstaying behind him. Well, the two
of you died the teleform that I' m sorry about, but it'
s how. As a spoiler,I don' t know if you moved
that movie. There' s aprogram that' s a big age.
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I' m gonna make chan dietoo. I opted for a very full
attitude but no, no, no, yeah, I don' t realize
it, but you know another cooldetail about Channing' s character. I
don' t know if you noticedthe blue bandage I already had here Come
on, gentlemen, the romance indun I was like jo and who,
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who will be Milisen al Gai,that there was no romance there. Not
those people, what they were,what they were. Hey, nothing.
That' s me. I likedit, my family. What' s
going on? It' s justthat if a tiger looks you in the
eye and tells you I' dlike to be equal to you I wood
By Onert ridiculous equilti johrle amazing okand the camera, turning amazing look.
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That was terrible and super basic ofTop three comedy comedy comedians. He didn
' t sit down. Me.Yeah, it works because it' s
me. In my opinion, ifthey had worked too extensive, nothing else
is romance from them that does nothappen in the book, that is,
in the book you do work alittle more, it is more latent.
For example, that the mother,that Jessica does not want to know about
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Channe in the book that by theway, because they gave a name as
basic as Jessica to the mother andcia paul the month is called paul Bel
because it is that think of Jessica, imagine all the names of the Bible,
her normal names, are normal becauseit was just the stupid Bible.
But it' s that, butit' s that if you, if
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you, and then you knew itwas fay Ross in n eighty- four,
who Wishman' s doesn' tknow that no, no, I
' m not going to be that. I didn' t fucking see her
because she' s got school hair. Look really after Bedun, because ok
my driving story is that I vidumone. I think it was literally the
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second film. We told Chala thatI saw only lever Weman and in one
I said listen really I understand whythe tiger ge Spade Knight his God.
But like the fans of one areanoin and then I kind of didn'
t, I kind of didn't like it that much, but I
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saw a two and I said devil, ah, not exact, then examine
two. There' s so muchmore, it' s like more digestible,
excitable. There' s a jokein the first one, the only
good thing. In the first oscarIxac yes and I feel that there is
also in the context of I haveticha the mom when it came out exactly.
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In the second, in the painting, I applauded. It' s
that he spoke that there' spart of the first that I liked more
than the second. I also thinkI wanted to see it, but in
all the way they present in theworld, the context and all that I
like more in the first time,but now what' s the point is
the first is totally contextual and Iand I understand it as even visually.
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You could say that visually it isprettier and more paused, more contemplative,
because it is that they are literallypresenting to you all the worlds, all
the characters. Learn literals for thenin the second and let' s play
chess. You already know who everyone, I mean, they don' t
explain anything to you and that's why it works well for me.
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Yes, but now that Paulatina Paulexactly that was the joke, because now
what angel I did that I reada review. I don' t remember
who it is. What I wassaying was that something he doesn' t
like about the movie, that kindof feels like the people in the movie
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are seeing it so well because theytake the time to explain everything in a
way that feels very omnatural in oneor two, in two. And I
did feel that way because it wasanother rome. I didn' t understand
why, for example, he alreadyknew, for example, we as an
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audience, that they walk in away that' s not rhythmic to not
call it a worm, because it' s already one thing they didn'
t explain with the book that Paulwas watching, with the sheath that we
saw visually, that they were walkingand a worm comes with the sheath of
the thing that they kind of doto him the Stomper. But then again
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they, when they sent it forI don' t know where I mean
exactly Janita suddenly explain it again andit' s like already whiggered wy no,
but I feel an application. Itis a moment of intimate conex moment
between the maturity of the two charactersdown Ban. I feel like it makes
a double sense. That' sbecause I also feel that I think I
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saw him in a director' sinterview that he wanted the second one to
see without having to see the firstone needed. How much I do and
that' s my problem. Yeah, or he' ll take advantage of
it. He takes advantage that heexplained that to me again and creates that
moment between the two personals. Myproblem is that for me it doesn'
t feel like a moment between thetwo characters. They feel like an explanation,
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maybe because I already read the bookand the first, but like because
you' re giving me more informationthan I already did. I' ve
got good vigo on hits. No, well, I' ve had no
fun and I didn' t likerible, but I did like you.
We' re not going into detailsand eating statements. Yeah, I hey
tortable, but it looks good,it' s very good, it'
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s your best or not browit butI don' t think it' s
how interesting Sons had been. Wehave talked a little bit about the concept
of the chosen, that something thatis seen a lot in cinema, in
literature as well and nothing has dissectedDoon. We made little jokes about everything
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a little bit. I think we' ve already talked about it quite a
bit. Obviously, there are manycontroversial opinions. That' s great.
Let there be people who are haterof the movie that didn' t like
any of the casts, that's all that' s valid, because
in the end the art of thator it' s super subjective. And
in the end I feel like he' s being a very personal experience,
so on my part, I lovedit. I think it was a really
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cool conversation, I mean, thankyou guys for joining us that' s
right. We have given many opinions. There are positive opinions that is to
say that he did like opinion,many opinions to find against that is very
cool, because in the end isthe point of the podcast one of comment
and of the cinema and of theart in general, that is, super
subjective. We' re obviously invitingyou. Yeah, well, if you
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listen to this episode of dung mehabit, I think it' s enough
for you to go see it fightfour of x okay. Yes, because
it is a book apart from everythingwe have talked about, the story and
the opinions and the characters and likethat experience of You disconnecting yourself and email
in the cinema and that I thinkis the coolest thing about the film and,
besides that is, I feel thatit is a real film experience,
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like that you go to a filmthat is visually very good, with a
very good script, with an enviablecast and a perfect musicalization of Hansemer,
Hanse imagineco vel in four of ituntil the end the order fabric. You
no longer agree, that is,yes, that good musicalizations, but I
feel that there is a lack thatthey use bad music ah good or very
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good. Or look. So Isee the ni vil lefl street, she
falls definite blow. He' sprobably got my good little friend. So
it' s really been a supercool, enriching conversation. Thanks to the
guys you didn' t get onpodcasts, they can find us on their
social networks. Robano' s gotyou everywhere, to me, to steal
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Bad Joy A, to Syasill CamnevaYes, very well and nothing, chubby
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people think yes definitely, because Isee that there are a lot of opinions,
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but really thank you, super ChuloLouren and see you next time.
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in Spotify and Apple Podcast, fromancient prophecies to contemporary narratives. The idea
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of an individual chosen for a granddestiny has inspired countless stories. In this
episode we dive into a theme thathas captivated cinema for decades, the concept
of the chosen one and we focusespecially on one of the most anticipated films
of the year. Doone part twowelcome to a new episode of the film
mouth a Saturday rather early here andwith Denis Hello and for this episode we
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have some very peculiar guests and arethe guys from you did not reach Podcast
Hello what happy to have them here, because I know it will make you
an episode very funny. I thinkabout a pretty dramatic movie, so to
speak, but you basically didn't get it. It' s a
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podcast they talk about movies, notknowing about movies. Although I feel like
you guys know a pile of filmand you anchor a pile. The problem
is, the more we talk aboutmovies, the more we know about movies
or less. Well, I feellike I kind of started it, like
without knowing the names of any directorand now some people tell me a movie
(01:37):
and I tell Diablo that' snot from and I feel like that'
s true. Die a ching insidethe table. They, when I was
invited to the podcast last year,I don' t remember what we were
talking about, but we talked abouta lot of things and like the episode
was fluid, like you said rightnow, like I think we' re
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talking about Montana, we' retalking about Hannah Montana, we' re
talking about mechanical orange, no yes, yes, I think or it was
that I' m doing, yes, it could be, it could be.
It was kind of varied. WhatI did was varied and we talked
about the for faberts, the mouth, yes, the Leters, we talked
about letter Bogs. And I hada lot of fun, gentlemen, because
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I don' t know. Theconversation was like very fluid, very dynamic,
and they have like a very darkhumor to give. We' re
talking about Beer, Ber, theband show you didn' t like.
It is true not to be othersubjects. Not that, don' t
look. What we' re goingto see was more about Sydney, Carmy
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being in love, in love,but nothing. That' s another subject.
Now we have to talk about afilm that recently premiered and that has
not stopped literally with the press,the comments, the memes, that is,
there is too much meme de teherDestil, by Stilgard, that Javier
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Bardem, there are too many memesand nothing. Basically, today we'
re going to be talking about Doom, but more than Dooom, we'
re also going to be talking alittle bit about the concept of the chosen,
that is, like those films thatencompass that concept, like On,
like Matrix, like Star Wars,like Lor of the Rings. But that
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' s like big features. Imean, you' d say because I
don' t know, you'd say Kun was a panda in that
category. With the band is thatcategory. It is the journey of milk,
exactly, exactly that he is thechosen one. So I feel like
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some kind of mane because actually,when I went to b Dun for the
second time in four of X theyput Fun' s trailer because they made
a trailer that dunnin' breathes andand good, yeah, yeah, yeah,
po, but well, what washis experience first in the cinema.
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Seeing You, but seeing the lastor the last or the last, of
course we' re talking about doompart two. You, who to start
or I start. I think youshould start, you, because Camila read
the books. I can' tread. Well, I wanted there since
(04:30):
he got out, so I wasjust practicing. Well, I went with
my boyfriend, but my boyfriend didn' t read the books and didn'
t see the first one. Oh, no, but he went or read,
in short, or vium. Hecame in like this with him and
what. Well, oh, buthe hates her because he started doing it
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as a comparison with Star Wars Ok, but as a poet my experience that,
like me, I was excited becauseI was all about that Ok,
the first one was introductory elenda.I don' t know what. This
one' s gonna be either explosive, I' m gonna love the book.
I don' t know what,but I didn' t like it
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very much either. I really don' t find it like I don'
t know how to explain it likeI feel that' s what we said
in the episode of us that doonisn' t a book that should be
adapted. I feel that' sstrong, strong statements. It' s
just that that' s the samething he' s been telling people since
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the' 80s I said they didn' t smoke bo, but I feel
like the tiger shot Heavy, He, not David Linch, but it'
s okay. It' s awell- made movie, it' s
better than David Lynch' s.And yes, but still. Obviously,
we' re here for David Linch, because they' re not exactly the
same. There are more moments,but there may have been just the same.
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The adaptation to the good script leveltoo, but for me it is
i. Phil westpone very funny,I had fun in the movies. That
' s the magic of cinema.The movies. When you come in,
you know places like that, WII, wash short Break, all that thing
on the ballot was Nicole kid rI, or ok, or you did
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like it, oh no, Iloved it, I looked, really.
I loved it too. I mean, I was at the movies enjoying it,
you were laughing at the people whowere there, who were at the
meetings. Yes, we got inabout six minutes late, because then I
went to see the second time Isaid okay, I already missed about six
minutes of movies, that is,because we were also the day of being
able to premiere, so it wasreally full. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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but I really enjoyed it. I' m like the movie that caught
me at all times, I mean, there wasn' t a time when
I said not to leave me.I go leave me of this as I
mean, and it' s evensuper long, i e, long and
medium and both times I said eitherin my express I didn' t feel
it, but obviously that little.I did like it, but you guys
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saw it together. Right, Isaw her with my partner from theÁngel
Sayas podcast, which I just enteredthe cabin. How are you Angel,
all right, all right, allright, all right. So how was
the experience. Our life changed afterwe saw a two of us. Instead,
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look I was born for my mother, I will die for lisanl Gayu.
And that' s the way itis. Really. It' s
just that I feel like the filmdoesn' t capture the essence of the
book and okay what the essence ofthe book is. Exactly, the essence
of the book is like I didn' t read it. It' s
a super- political thing about religion, an environmental critique and all that sheath.
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And it' s like you freehim and there' s so much
he explores, both the characters andthe plot and what he comments on and
what' s going on and howhe forms in the worlds and situations.
But in the movie she' sbeen like a war. We' re
not gonna fight. And it's like I don' t like that
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what you were saying that you didn' t feel it. That happened to
me with the first one, butit was because I wasn' t expecting
to be cut. I was readyto see five hours that they told me
in the whole book, and whenthey cut it, I stayed a piece.
Then I didn' t feel it. Okay, so it was second.
You did feel cloth, but well, in the second hour, in
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the first hour I felt it.Super slow, like I said God,
I heard myself and when it startedlike the way it started, that it
was like a Florence pie telling,I didn' t like it at all.
I felt it like she was Hayter' s podcast device so that what
was really I felt that very hard. Florence bu Therans viue we love you
(09:01):
if you' re listening to thepodcast that wardrobe of her and Watson that
killed you. Yeah, manchu didthat Yeah, I say wow, they
ate it amazing. It was withfail Brouth. If I' m over
that I' ve seen a lotof comments from people who didn' t
(09:24):
like it it was count that wasnot the best Hayter cas. I'
ve got an epic movie that's been very crude. I saw her
again last night. Yes, literallyfour representing the four of ok I saw
it was the first me and Ibought the book if weekend and I started
it in cama yno and I reallystarted to realize a lot of things sas
(09:45):
that told Camila ok that they actuallyjump from the beginning of the book You
don' t think that' swhat it' s like or adapting such
a dense azo book. Yes,but it has to be probable. Obviously,
literary language does not equal cinematographic language. So you' re gonna see
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things in both of them, orthe same. Yeah, it' d
take you to imagine making a fulloriginal movie, or a script, and
then someone decided to make a book. It' s never gonna be the
same, that is. In theend, I feel that in literature there
is more space to describe, becauseabove all it is not visual or auditory,
that is, it does not haveto describe everything so that people can
understand what is being seen. Soyou don' t feel that that'
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s why it' s natural thatthey' re my parts so much.
Obviously, things and things like thatare omitted from all adaptations. But that
' s why I say that Idon' t think that book can adapt
well, because the book is sodense, but the dense material it has
is essential in the literary language ituses. So I feel like everything has
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its format and I feel that Doon' s story works too well in the
literary format, that when you transferit to audiovisual, it doesn' t
work the same way. Not thesame message. I feel like Dun'
s movies became like this Blockbuster's choice of side Ban' s K
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and War, exactly like the followingbit the fight. I don' t
know what, but what' swrong with that? Why don' t
you want to. I' mnot saying it' s bad, but
since I liked the book so much, I don' t feel that it
does him justice at all, butit is very marked that concept of the
chosen one, that is, Iin my mind, in the whole film
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I was saying that the Bible JesusChrist star Wars Anna Kings. Yeah,
but index goes that way. He' s going around,' cause he
' s gonna get worse that kid. I don' t know but a
disclaimer that I saw a lot ofpeople, well, a lot of people
would say to me, oh,I don' t think I see Doone,
because to me it' s acopy of Star Wars ah duty Star
Wars is inspired by Doon, inthe book that a lot of people don
' t know, to do theStar Wars scripts. Not an adaptation,
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nothing to see, but it doesinspire and that' s why not the
color that Fullon copied Vaina from thebook you know I don' t think
there' s comment by Frank Heaberthat says look. I treated myself too
hard not to file a lawsuit.Yeah, I heard that and I gave
it later I saw that in oneof the other old books he kind of
made a Star Wars bull in one, but of doone or UE OK.
(12:28):
I don' t remember it washim. I was doing as a reference
to trepo, a sheath, aswell as Burlando. But if we can
' t compare that Doom to StarWars, I feel that Doom is the
dark and super dark version. Andah not clear in all the sense.
Well, I was a Star Warsfan until exactly ht. I opened my
(12:50):
third eyes. It seems to methat there' s a cas is that
literal doo a month there, that' s like that' s literally looking
at a whole felix col point butit' s that look. It seems
to me that the real point ofthe movie is because you tell me when
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you go to the movies watching astory like that. It doesn' t
seem to you that, like,it' s just like when I don
' t know. You didn't see I tiger with the tiger the
tiger with the jos tigers, yousaw that series where the tiger buys me
ex soric, you didn' tsee that Netflix series. I don'
(13:39):
t know the tiger anymore, thetiger buys Tiger. Look, it'
s a man in Florida who's crazy and I remember that in the
pandemic, I think there was adocumentary series about his life and he'
s in jail and all this,and I don' t know what it
is about he' s got atiger. And then, like I hear
Shiar, a very bad person,does a lot of illegal things, mistreats
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animals even capable ma your people arein jail for some obvious reason, legal
reasons. That' s usually whypeople are in jail. But like day
Framer and noway in the series thathe is the protagonist Focking, then you,
you want Ruth for hem on YouTubeand it seems to me that that
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' s something very important in thiskind of movies, at least specifically for
the things that are there, likeColtish that I feel like because already if
like the Mix Sommer, you don' t Town Roaring, a Pokémon so
people in Mixommer, I think thatyes, I would be here, mountains
or I haven' t seen mySommer, so I can' t tell
(14:43):
you. Ah, but I understandwhat kind of breaking- up reference is
going to happen. No. No, no, no. It doesn'
t mean like dual characters, theexact ero wont face persol You want him
to be doing a lot of badstuff and you want you to advocate for
time looking emotional. Then it's not just for you. When he
and I know the baddest thing inthe world, you still feel like not
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that guy. I specifically tie upthe characters that are like that of cults
that are doing cults don' tsay that of colt, but it'
s from you to literally go topeople in the movie and to the audience,
because I' m obviously indoctrinating usinto their fucking religion. And I
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think that' s why Timothy Chalameperfect cassing, because I' d go
to war for him that' sface and gold to word Ford. That,
that' s a good prospect ofthere being a pot, Timothy,
because he already has like that fanatic, so to speak, to make your
troop like his people, his followers. So, like putting them in this
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character that' s supposed to belike you say it' s like a
cult leader, but it' sthat they follow him with the memo capitu
the King happens to me the samething as him. Try you Tigery,
who' s the intimidating king,who I know is not intimidating, he
doesn' t scare me, hedoesn' t inspire me to follow him.
So he does the part right untilhe has to get to the level
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of bad people' s deploting,like you' re okay, like shy,
like with a little change, butwhen you already have to be at
the top of the throne it's like That' s that and our
line Tom that You, then it' s like I don' t know,
I didn' t like casting sybefore King it happened to me like
I didn' t believe it,I didn' t fit you that exactly,
(16:37):
but in doom yes, really,on dun bread it works for me.
Bain Son Topper works. I placea lot of emphasis on the moative
part, that is, when theymake the explanation of why they choose that
name, that they follow it indesert. And he' s literally that,
I mean, to me he's that person who looks like shy,
like they tell you, like adish yelled at him. He'
s not going to anything, butI feel it' s him has that
(16:57):
contrast of being able to have darkness. I feel that in his view,
even if he does not dedicate himselfagainst fait ta, for example, super
strong, I do not know whatticism is skinny, I do not know
what. But if he looks atyou in the end on a subject like
I don' t think it's good of worship, if religious and
leader issues, it' s notnecessarily a people who physically go away like
(17:18):
super not walking it in the endit' s like physical, psychological,
not, like, the way hebehaves, like in the pearl. I
' m not sorry, yes,but he' s very manipulative too,
that is, if you just keepsaying that he' s a super hot
guy, the truth person is nota character, it' s very manipulative.
But already talking a little bit aboutother characters. Also because it kind
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of feels like we' re beingthe followers of Timothy shannaien to Wishi,
yeah, yeah, and it's Gai Mira. I also feel that
everyone is talking about the men inthe film, the character of Paul,
of another, of Javier Barde,of the other men. What are they
there, like around him. Butyou know who. Who are the true
(18:04):
master minds to the women of Doom, both the mother of Jessica and Channey,
and Florence, who will come theReverend Mother, Shi, the Reverend
Mother, but also that, asthose women are called Benejesseric, exactly.
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Those are the real controllers of allliterally, even if they don' t
have physical presence, as I'm sending plain classes, not the faon
no costumes, they have that onethey passed on to, I mean,
it' s too imposing. Ifas he means, wives also sing like
but it' s true, ie everything leads me to the Bible,
(18:51):
i e really to Paul' smom No, but he' s said
it and i e totally many ofthe constructions. I mean, it'
s supposed to be an epic movieand pictures, that is, not futuristic,
but kind of a future. Butif he' s inspired you,
you see how you look like rachis, yes, no, no, no,
and he looks like it. Andthat scene of the resurrection. That
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was epic. When nothing was nailed, yes, it was paco. I
was what a nice opening looking ather. That was the Bible and it
was wrong with isaac that another Ileave the dike this and the Bible.
That was the Bible to understand,but yes, yes. In that part
of Camila fell asleep in which onein the fight, in the fight,
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the lula she says the fights arehorrible. They didn' t tell me
about the fights, but they wereshort, I mean, I didn'
t even feel like they were becausethere' s a movie not because they
were long. If I don't think they' re with a knife,
then I feel like they' relike more high stakes, okay you
get a knife and how it dies. Exactly it' s not like,
that' s what I felt theywere like, and that' s exactly
Star Wars Look at you in StarWars, they cut you with a sabre
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lu, and they already cautized yourwound like your ta heavy. What I
' m saying is that choreography feltlike it was really done, like it
felt like you ok here me hereand I don' t know, I
didn' t like it. Butwhen I was on the plane of Austin
Bulkler, the number Tom Fath drophbut the character did, I mean,
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really persona. I don' tlike Stem Botter either. So, the
character person of even if there wasa fucking other actor works, i e
I would have been my only one, but actually casting, i e I
like Austin Butler, as an actordisclaimer so that I don' t fall
upstairs, but I read the bookto me just like Camila, the different
one that I liked how the adaptationworked to you yoc to Faith Roth I
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figured Matti po record it, ie I don' t remember what the
actor is called what Brother Fine TimeBattiste does to him, i e,
the physical description of the book ofFathroth, which ok unlike the rest,
the guy is super fet is notlike his uncle I don' t know
what, but he has the same, i e as it seems, then
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I couldn' t stop seeing thewhite painting, or good of the effect,
Austin power that is the shape ofhis lip as his face, just
as I couldn' t happen,i mean, maybe because I haven'
t seen almost anything of him,neither follow them or anything of that.
I saw elis but, unfortunately,but I didn' t see it.
Hannah Montana, yes, but Idon' t remember anything. I think
that' s what I' vedone the most about him as if they
don' t ride and I thinknobody, Carlie, as well as he
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likes his phrase in iCarly who don' t know what granny hope comes up,
the granny hope, okay but Ido feel as much as this exact
granny experance. Look at something veryimportant that I was mentioning to you when
I was watching a movie, becauseface as it is brotsa sy Ross comes
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out with teeth painted in right blackand I was telling you he' s
that. Percho I was telling youin while we' re watching the movie
that that' s something of Japaneseculture. So, I don' t
know if you guys saw blue ISamurai, I didn' t start it.
They never do. I said thatBlui Samurai, I thought I didn
' t know if you saw PerfectDays, but in a scene nobody paints.
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I saw the beto. Obviously,that' s a devil. What
a horrible jo I saw Perfect Days. That must have won international film.
That was a snow van fuck we' re going. Or that of the
black tooth is called a leaf,which builds black teeth and it was a
Japanese custom to wear black teeth witha solution of iron filings and vinegars.
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I have that on purpose, thatwas like something this traditional pra was practiced
by married women, some men withsome men when they married men of the
aristocracy or samurai, and it waslike that symbol of beauty and distinction.
Instead it goes very well in GlouiSamura. When I saw the first ones
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is, the first pictures of thetiger as pink fai, I was saying
that he Hills SHCP Big Baby,because I thought I had no teeth.
It was then like the day beforethe movie they told me not really.
If I had the right black-and- white one and his teeth are
black. If then I saw herand said ah has teeth, but I
just don' t know and toncesp Baby, when so toothless, then
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that kind of means, I reallyliked it. That' s like,
in that world of what it's called, I' m talking about
it' s called first, no, no, they' re the Mira
family, look, like, asimperialist as well as military, and then
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that one in that Japanese era wherethey painted that black tooth was like very
much like imperialist, like very muchthe norm, very slay, very punishments,
as matamadics as well And that kindof conferre is no doubt that I
like that, obviously, you haveno reference to everything about many historical things,
things that are repressed. Look,you show a doom fan the Middle
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East and they go crazy. Theysay devil exists nor rerai doon no and
evitom is strong. That' sgood. I don' t even know
if it' s left to gointo that good devil memes like a guy
I don' t know who's from Islam, from the island religion.
Seeing that film as I feel uncomfortableand already as in truth, watching
the first film, I being aperson of Arab ancestry, I myself i
(24:45):
goode hse I was of that Devil. It can' t be that these
people cut me a chingo, butyou who didn' t have absolutely anyone
Arab the first extra ticket movie orgauze. I thought that was a little
bit. It' s not lawI didn' t like it. I
don' t approve of what theyhave to have, but why you because
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youker literally look at this isn't literal. I feel no, because
raks isn' t, it's not, it' s not worlds,
but if you guys listen to meand don' t beat me,
please, we' re gonna fallon you. But it' s amazing.
Four people who are not Arabic speakingto him or shiling. People don
' t know. Look who thedevil to see is true you folk,
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oblivion me. Gentlemen, there's going to be a third delivery of
Dú No. Yeah, yeah,but I mean, I think so.
What are the expectations? I hopeso. Nothing gives me to measure the
danger of the world. I'm a little afraid that they' ll
make a third delivery, because Ifeel, in my opinion, that the
or ice cream is very good andholds on. It feels like when it
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lengthens a lot, that is,you know in sagas, you' ve
got endings, yeah, endless,it' s always going down. But
I have a lot of faith inhim openly bulne top three of my favorite
director and contemporary, i e Idon' t have extreme faith to go
do it to him. I'm going to see him and I'
m going to support him. ButI saw an interview of him recently being
asked. He said good. Ihave the last seven years working only the
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dune industry i e, and atthe end of an artist, i e
he, I feel like I needa break, but I can say that
there is already a team working thescript to adapt the table to which the
second book asked him if they aregoing to divide it as well as because
the book doesn' t matter issuper tense. He said it wouldn'
t be the plan, I mean, it wasn' t. It'
s not the same, because etwell you' re not seeing me.
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But Dun the first is so gruesomemesalla, absolutely nothing, much less.
It' s a normal book thatyou have exactly and I think he,
in between lines, left saying thatif it' s going to be made,
it' s going to be asingle movie, so it seems to
me that Doon is going to bethree parts. There won' t be
more than three parts. And Ithink it makes sense, because I too
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have not read, for example,either Sallan me, or Children of Dooone
or all those who come, butI have seen that many people say that
already after mesalla the story becomes onesuper political and two as very abstract.
And imagine if the one and thetwo difficult to adapt the others. It
would be almost very Salvador Daly,very surreal. And I mean, for
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example, we were talking out ofthe air that I mean, the book
the first and the movie has alot of differences and even though I know
a lot of people who are superfan of the book, I didn'
t like it. I read thebook. I' m a fan of
a book, but I don't soper fun, but I' m
a fan. It seemed to methat all those changes met a goal for
(27:44):
film language and for the current socialcontext, because in the book that'
s what I like. Well,I have to adapt to the current social
context because, like you take partof it, you wanted me to have
to listen to Watsu, change,the book changes a lot in context.
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One, for example, is thatin the position of the woman in the
book is much more. All womenare more submissive, they don' t
have the power that, for example, can describe the films that Paul'
s same mom has, that is, a Bene Jesserit, who has the
character Channy, which is her importantmoment for the second part. The construction
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in the book of these characters isnot as powerful, as we say,
the power or reflector that the filmputs in it. And even though I
understand that I also think that alot happens is that an adaptation doesn'
t mean it has to be doneto the letter, that is, you
carry the story, but that itworks then for me and that change was
super good, because believe me ifthey put Channie that to everything, then
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I would say yes, yes,to yes, yes. I agree.
I mean marry other people, I' m still here, too I'
m waiting for you to do whateveryou want It' s that people who
would have criticized thank you so much, because in the end it' s
like why you' re still orit' s like straight dealing with women.
That being so, or because youthink that in the because remember that
in the end most of the fansof two are not the fans of the
book, because not necessarily the same, so even they are adapting to the
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audience right now. So, forme in that respect, although I understand
it and respect them 100%,I do if it doesn' t work
out for me it works and asafer play than the other one. Maybe
I already see the meme and thepeople criticizing if they put the woman'
s position how she does the bookin the movie. What happens is that
it' s easy to misunderstand whatthe position is, not saying they'
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re not submissive, because obviously,the year for which dun was written is
going to be more. I don' t think I even mean it.
But, for example, with thingslike you can spoiler. You' ve
spoiled not spoiler here. Ale givehim home like the end, which was
what we were talking about out ofthe air that he tells him, hey
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I love you and suddenly he tellsthe other one I' m going to
marry you. That' s superchanged, because in the context of the
book he tells him I' mmaking you by political alliance. You carry
more of such a thing and let' s see what I know that and
this is so. There' snot one thing Channe says well, okay,
you' ll have your wives andyou' ll do whatever you want
with no. She knows how youvanders and so on. She' s
(30:18):
not crazy either, yeah, butyou, saying that about Bownder, it
' s like in the end,if you don' t want to line
up with those boundaries, then youleave and that' s what she did
in the end. Yeah, butthat' s it. The fact of
the movie to Mila to you Youwanted Dun to be propaganda for polyamor or
not. I think that' sa very marked difference. That is,
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in the book, for example,she agrees that he becomes the messiah that
he is that figure, that leaderthat in the film does not, for
example, and she, let's say that she is her call to
earth. He kind of doesn't, so it contrasts. It'
s still very marked in the bookof the film. But I' ll
take the movie. She said I' m going, I' m,
no, I' m not goingto stay and see this guy get killed
(31:04):
or put on a mallets. Ifyou don' t know that detail her
because you wait look what happened toNatalie Portman with Anakin. Who died.
That' s why he' sstaying behind him. Well, the two
of you died the teleform that I' m sorry about, but it'
s how. As a spoiler,I don' t know if you moved
that movie. There' s aprogram that' s a big age.
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I' m gonna make chan dietoo. I opted for a very full
attitude but no, no, no, yeah, I don' t realize
it, but you know another cooldetail about Channing' s character. I
don' t know if you noticedthe blue bandage I already had here Come
on, gentlemen, the romance indun I was like jo and who,
(31:45):
who will be Milisen al Gai,that there was no romance there. Not
those people, what they were,what they were. Hey, nothing.
That' s me. I likedit, my family. What' s
going on? It' s justthat if a tiger looks you in the
eye and tells you I' dlike to be equal to you I wood
By Onert ridiculous equilti johrle amazing okand the camera, turning amazing look.
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That was terrible and super basic ofTop three comedy comedy comedians. He didn
' t sit down. Me.Yeah, it works because it' s
me. In my opinion, ifthey had worked too extensive, nothing else
is romance from them that does nothappen in the book, that is,
in the book you do work alittle more, it is more latent.
For example, that the mother,that Jessica does not want to know about
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Channe in the book that by theway, because they gave a name as
basic as Jessica to the mother andcia paul the month is called paul Bel
because it is that think of Jessica, imagine all the names of the Bible,
her normal names, are normal becauseit was just the stupid Bible.
But it' s that, butit' s that if you, if
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you, and then you knew itwas fay Ross in n eighty- four,
who Wishman' s doesn' tknow that no, no, I
' m not going to be that. I didn' t fucking see her
because she' s got school hair. Look really after Bedun, because ok
my driving story is that I vidumone. I think it was literally the
(33:16):
second film. We told Chala thatI saw only lever Weman and in one
I said listen really I understand whythe tiger ge Spade Knight his God.
But like the fans of one areanoin and then I kind of didn'
t, I kind of didn't like it that much, but I
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saw a two and I said devil, ah, not exact, then examine
two. There' s so muchmore, it' s like more digestible,
excitable. There' s a jokein the first one, the only
good thing. In the first oscarIxac yes and I feel that there is
also in the context of I haveticha the mom when it came out exactly.
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In the second, in the painting, I applauded. It' s
that he spoke that there' spart of the first that I liked more
than the second. I also thinkI wanted to see it, but in
all the way they present in theworld, the context and all that I
like more in the first time,but now what' s the point is
the first is totally contextual and Iand I understand it as even visually.
(34:22):
You could say that visually it isprettier and more paused, more contemplative,
because it is that they are literallypresenting to you all the worlds, all
the characters. Learn literals for thenin the second and let' s play
chess. You already know who everyone, I mean, they don' t
explain anything to you and that's why it works well for me.
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Yes, but now that Paulatina Paulexactly that was the joke, because now
what angel I did that I reada review. I don' t remember
who it is. What I wassaying was that something he doesn' t
like about the movie, that kindof feels like the people in the movie
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are seeing it so well because theytake the time to explain everything in a
way that feels very omnatural in oneor two, in two. And I
did feel that way because it wasanother rome. I didn' t understand
why, for example, he alreadyknew, for example, we as an
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audience, that they walk in away that' s not rhythmic to not
call it a worm, because it' s already one thing they didn'
t explain with the book that Paulwas watching, with the sheath that we
saw visually, that they were walkingand a worm comes with the sheath of
the thing that they kind of doto him the Stomper. But then again
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they, when they sent it forI don' t know where I mean
exactly Janita suddenly explain it again andit' s like already whiggered wy no,
but I feel an application. Itis a moment of intimate conex moment
between the maturity of the two charactersdown Ban. I feel like it makes
a double sense. That' sbecause I also feel that I think I
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saw him in a director' sinterview that he wanted the second one to
see without having to see the firstone needed. How much I do and
that' s my problem. Yeah, or he' ll take advantage of
it. He takes advantage that heexplained that to me again and creates that
moment between the two personals. Myproblem is that for me it doesn'
t feel like a moment between thetwo characters. They feel like an explanation,
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maybe because I already read the bookand the first, but like because
you' re giving me more informationthan I already did. I' ve
got good vigo on hits. No, well, I' ve had no
fun and I didn' t likerible, but I did like you.
We' re not going into detailsand eating statements. Yeah, I hey
tortable, but it looks good,it' s very good, it'
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s your best or not browit butI don' t think it' s
how interesting Sons had been. Wehave talked a little bit about the concept
of the chosen, that something thatis seen a lot in cinema, in
literature as well and nothing has dissectedDoon. We made little jokes about everything
(37:17):
a little bit. I think we' ve already talked about it quite a
bit. Obviously, there are manycontroversial opinions. That' s great.
Let there be people who are haterof the movie that didn' t like
any of the casts, that's all that' s valid, because
in the end the art of thator it' s super subjective. And
in the end I feel like he' s being a very personal experience,
so on my part, I lovedit. I think it was a really
(37:38):
cool conversation, I mean, thankyou guys for joining us that' s
right. We have given many opinions. There are positive opinions that is to
say that he did like opinion,many opinions to find against that is very
cool, because in the end isthe point of the podcast one of comment
and of the cinema and of theart in general, that is, super
subjective. We' re obviously invitingyou. Yeah, well, if you
(38:00):
listen to this episode of dung mehabit, I think it' s enough
for you to go see it fightfour of x okay. Yes, because
it is a book apart from everythingwe have talked about, the story and
the opinions and the characters and likethat experience of You disconnecting yourself and email
in the cinema and that I thinkis the coolest thing about the film and,
besides that is, I feel thatit is a real film experience,
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like that you go to a filmthat is visually very good, with a
very good script, with an enviablecast and a perfect musicalization of Hansemer,
Hanse imagineco vel in four of ituntil the end the order fabric. You
no longer agree, that is,yes, that good musicalizations, but I
feel that there is a lack thatthey use bad music ah good or very
(38:45):
good. Or look. So Isee the ni vil lefl street, she
falls definite blow. He' sprobably got my good little friend. So
it' s really been a supercool, enriching conversation. Thanks to the
guys you didn' t get onpodcasts, they can find us on their
social networks. Robano' s gotyou everywhere, to me, to steal
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Bad Joy A, to Syasill CamnevaYes, very well and nothing, chubby
gentlemen, so go to Bedoun.Write to us when I post whether you
liked it or not. We're going to a pll We' re
going to be a woman, we' re going to see or see that
people think yes definitely, because Isee that there are a lot of opinions,
(39:30):
but really thank you, super ChuloLouren and see you next time.
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