April 30, 2025 • 55 mins
Are you ready to unlock your intuitive potential and redefine how you navigate your world? We're joined by the insightful Mariana Cooper, a third-generation intuitive and life strategist. Have you ever wondered how to balance the tangible 3D world with the energetic 5D realm? Mariana shares her transformative journey from corporate life to becoming a certified medium, emphasizing the power of energetic communication over mere intellect.
Discover the "Four Clairs" and learn how to cultivate these often-overlooked senses. Mariana introduces a four-part framework—Clear, Connect, Communicate, and Create—designed to help you tap into your energetic potential. We'll explore how to discern true guidance and why doubling down on your dreams is the key to a fulfilling life. Tune in to embrace your passions, align with your higher self, and inspire others through personal joy. Don't miss this enlightening conversation!
Mariana's Bio
Mariana Cooper (Mari) author of the forthcoming book Beyond Intuition, is an internationally acclaimed intuitive life strategist, third generation intuitive and host of the Aha! Moments Radio Show with several hundred podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts and several other platforms. She has helped thousands of clients in her High Frequency Living Academy, through her dynamic Advanced Alchemy Masterminds, private mentorship, impactful workshops, live retreats by the sea and a variety of audio and video courses.
Mari has an MBA in marketing and BA in psychology. Multiple energetic certifications including Advanced Intuitive and Mediumship, the Kabbalah and the Modern Mystery School. She is the author of her first book, The Aha Factor and has been a guest on Gaia TV on the Open Minds Show with Regina Meredith, written for Women’s Health Magazine, Soul and Spirit, recognized in Publisher’s Weekly and the Sedona Journal of Emergence.
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Merry Elkins (00:01):
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Everyone has a story, and we'll take you
along for the ride on eachinterview, recounting the
journey our guests have taken toget where they are, inspiring
you to create your own path tosuccess. Let's get started. Hi
there. I'm Kathy Worthingtonwelcoming you to our latest
(00:56):
episode of late boomersalongside my cohost, Mary
Elkins. If you often wonder howto achieve what you most desire,
today's guest, Mariana Cooper,will share insights on how to
make it happen.
She'll be discussing a topic wehaven't explored in-depth
before, the five d universe.
Merry Elkins (01:15):
And I'm Mary Elkins. Mariana, or Mari as she
likes to be called, is theauthor of the factor, beyond
intuition, and the upcomingbook, the five d toolkit. She's
an internationally acclaimedintuitive life strategist and
hosts the Moments radio show.Welcome, Mari. We're excited to
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learn about 5D and how we canaccess it.
Mariana Cooper (01:39):
Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so
much for having me. I'm reallyexcited to be here.
Cathy Worthington (01:44):
Great to have you. Please tell us about your
background as a third generationintuitive and how and when you
realized you needed more in yourlife to help you survive?
Mariana Cooper (01:57):
Well, let's see. My mom was intuitive. My
grandmother was also intuitive.And my mom actually studied with
Shirley MacLean when she cameout with her miniseries Out on a
Limb. She kind of broke the iceof mainstream into all things
new age and metaphysical.
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So I was actually, while theother kids were being taken to
the mall and various normal kidsthings. I was being taken to
channeling sessions and psychicreadings in crystal stores back
in the eighties. I was in acrystal shop with my mom. She
was at the front lookingcrystals and I was in the
bookcase, in the books section.And a book literally fell off
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the shelf in my hands.
And it was by Shakti Gawaincalled Living in the Light. I
ended up eventually on my ownshow. I had her She actually
came on my show and was a gueston my show.
Cathy Worthington (02:54):
Oh, great. I remember her. I remember. I
remember reading.
Mariana Cooper (02:58):
Yeah. She was definitely my entry into my
entree into the New Age world.And for about, I don't know,
about ten years, I just yeah, Iwas working in corporate. And
corporate, of course, pushesyour limits. And it got to the
point where I realized twothings.
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One is that my mom always had apsychic, so I'd go to these
psychic readings with her. And Istarted to realize I had more of
the answers than the psychicdid, or the psychic was saying
the things that I was gettingmyself. The second thing that I
noticed was that my intellect,as smart as I was, I have an
MBA, I have a BA in psychology,my mother's a psychotherapist,
so I had all this background.The answers my life was far
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exceeding what the answers ofthe intellect could get me. And
I think that's what happens aswe get older and more mature and
our lives start to get morecomplex And we get off of the
career ladder that is prescribedfor us and the family
prescription of how you shouldbe to be good in the family.
Like my parents want us to havemaster's degrees and all that.
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And when you step off of thesyllabus of life and life starts
to hit you, we step through agateway where our intellect can
no longer answer. And you haveto say you start to go into
those spaces of who am I? Wheredo I fit in? Is this all there
is?
Are you kidding me? I thought Iwould be here by now. And then
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the biggest inciting incidentwas when my fiance passed away
in my early 30s. We had a wholelife plan together. And when he
passed away, I went for a yeararound the different mediums
asking to see if I could connectto him because I could feel
something.
And each medium I mean, I was onwaiting lists for like six
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months. One of them for a year,George Anderson, one of the
biggest mediums there was at thetime. And every medium I went
to, they said, he won't comethrough for us. He wants you to
talk to him directly. So thelast medium that I went to was
at the Learning Annex in NewYork City.
She was teaching a class, And itwas on my fiance's what would
have been his birthday. And Isaid to him, if you don't come
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through today, I'm never gonnatry again. Like, I'm done. I've
been doing this for a year. Andit worked out that she made us
swap pictures in the class Andwe each had to read each other.
I thought we were just gonna getreadings from her. And I ended
up reading everyone in the classand being able to pick up, you
know. So she actually offered mea job at the end of the class to
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help to apprentice with her. Sofrom that point that night, I
wrote 30 pages. I just keptwriting and writing and writing.
They're actually still next tomy bed now, and this was a long
time ago. They're all yellowed.And that was my kind of foray
into the actual channeling part,where I was realizing there was
a way to communicate.
Cathy Worthington (05:50):
Were the pages coming from him?
Mariana Cooper (05:53):
Yeah. Yep. Were you writing what he was saying?
Mhmm. Was writing guidance towhat he was saying.
And for a while and then I gotcertified as a medium. I went
and I got certifications andstuff because that's just how I
was raised. You're not legituntil you get a certification.
But I realized that themediumship was just an entree.
And as I started teaching andbuilding out my practice, and I
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left corporate America and Iwent into the whole spiritual
thing full time, I realized thatthere was even more.
That we have an energeticcommunication system that we're
meant to be tapping into 80% ofthe time as opposed to our
intellect, is supposed to beused 20% of the time. But we're
not taught that. So we're allwalking around kind of out of
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balance. You know, I won't get Iwon't go too far. I can go on
and on.
So I'll stop here.
Merry Elkins (06:44):
Yeah. Well, okay. First of all, tell our audience
briefly what an intuitive is.And then you were about to talk
about the five d world. Right?
What you are an expert in. Butalso, there's a three d world
that we seem to operate in threedimensions. Can you explain
those and talk about what thedifference is?
Mariana Cooper (07:07):
Sure. So essentially, first major tenet
that I always lean into is thepremise. Most of us are exposed
to some sort of formal religionwhen we're growing up. So I was
raised Catholic. There's, youknow, obviously, there's, you
know, seven, eight, nine majorreligions.
We're kind of steered at leastin the direction of where this
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physical body first, and thenthere's some sort of maybe
there's some sort of spiritualthing in us, the spirit, the
holy spirit, whatever. And thenthere's a god over over there,
and there's this division. Andin between, the spirit within us
and the god over there is arabbi or minister or priest or
some guy in there, you know,that we have to kind of get
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through to get to that biggerthing. And it has to be
interpreted back to us. And sothe first premise I had is isn't
if there was and just bear withme because I'm going to get to
the answer, but this is how I doit.
If God was gonna make God, theGod of your understanding,
source energy was going tocreate eight, nine different
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major religions, 600 differentways of divination, all sorts of
ways to ask for questions, toask for things, to ask set
intentions, to ask, to ask, toask, to pray, to ask. When they
make at least one robust way ofgetting the answers back, Like,
why would you create a one wayconversation with billions of
people? It just doesn't make anysense. And so the answer is yes.
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And every religion, everyspiritual system, modality has
its way of receiving the answersback.
And that's where the power is,is getting the answers. Right?
And so that's what was where wegot the middlemen in between is
they slow down the answers. Oh,you have to go through me to get
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the answer. Oh, you have to gothrough her to get the answer.
So so the first thing is the waythat we're really structured is
where these big giant balls ofenergy, that's eternal. So that
whole we live forever. You know,we're all eternal, we're all
infinite. And then as this biggiant ball of energy, each one
of us, we want to do two things.We want to expand and we want to
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ascend.
We want to become more consciousof access to our energetic
selves. So in order to do that,we take on a thimble of a body.
So instead of it being a spiritwithin the body, it's actually a
body within the spirit, withinthat energy. And a portion of
that energy becomes the driverof that body car. The rest of us
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stays outside of that body caras the navigation system.
So our higher self, our biggerself, our divine self, whatever
you want to call that, isoutside of this body car and as
a portion of itself acting asthe driver inside the animating
energy of our body. So that'swhy our bodies move when we
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think and we speak. That's ourconsciousness. Right? So our
consciousness that's animatingour body is also the
consciousness that's navigatingus and helping us to go to
navigate throughout our world.
So when we talk aboutdimensions, third dimension and
below is where things feel aretangible, solid matter. Solid
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and it's not really solid.That's another day's
conversation too big for theshow.
Merry Elkins (10:33):
Mommy.
Mariana Cooper (10:34):
So it's magic. Too big for our show. Yes. Well,
it's too big for it's just justtoo long. You know was just and
then then we have the fifthdimension.
I'll get into fourth in asecond, but the fifth dimension
and above is where everything isnonphysical. It's all there, but
it's not in a tangible shapedphysical form. So the car that
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you're gonna get next year rightnow is in five d frequency. When
you decide to get it, then itmoves into through four d
frequency into three dfrequency. So that's how we So
four d is the transit pointbetween the two.
So it's where we transfer fromenergetic form into physical
form. And so the language that'sthere's an energetic
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communications language thatswings back and forth between
the two. And that's when we getinto intuition and the ability
to personally channel andetcetera. So is so five d
frequency is where we're isnonphysical. Three d frequency
is where we're physical.
Four d is the transit point. Sothey say to meditate. They say
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to go out and get centered, toget into mindfulness. Well, what
does that do? It raises yourvibration so you get into the
corridor, into the tunnel of thefour d so that the five d can
connect.
So the five d drops itself downand slows itself down. But in
order for us to get more of allthis manifesting, all these
things that we want, we need tospeed our vibration up. And
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that's what happens kind of inthose that in between spot. So
when you just get quiet. Whenyou're, you know, when you're
observing your grandchild andyou're just experiencing their
smile or their giggle, you'regoing you're raising your
frequency.
You're connecting in. That getsyou in the fourth dimensional
energy. You you'd be amazed athow many things just, you know,
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watching your pet, you know,petting your dog, petting your
cat, making a wonderful dinnerthat's really nourishing and
just feeling like, okay, I'mgonna make the homemade tomato
soup today and I'm actuallygonna put cream in. All that
kind of stuff. That raises thephysical vibration.
It make it quickens you so thatas you're stirring that pot, you
get that insight into thatquestion that you thought, oh,
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yeah. You know what? Oh, that'swhat I could do. Because you're
you're you're raising theoverall energy. So then you make
yourself available to theinformation that you might be
missing in that solid area.
Does that
Merry Elkins (12:58):
You're raising your joy.
Mariana Cooper (13:00):
Right. Joy is high frequent. Joy is at one of
the highest frequency emotions.So so that's kind very,
Cathy Worthington (13:09):
very good explanation of that.
Merry Elkins (13:11):
Yeah. Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (13:12):
Very good. And what what would you say are
the energetic abilities that wewere born with, but we were
never told about?
Mariana Cooper (13:23):
This is my favorite question. So okay.
Buckle up. You have somethingfor Okay. I got my You know how
when people say, oh, she has agift.
Oh, they have the gift. Oh, it'snot a gift. All that really is,
is oh, she's developed hersenses. Oh, she's developed her
senses. We are all born with allof the energetic senses.
(13:45):
So first things first. What Idiscussed in 5D frequency is not
psychic development. So this isnot about predicting anything.
This is not mediumship whereyou're talking to people who
have crossed over. This isenergetic physiology.
So frequency based physiology.So our bodies were born with an
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equivalent frequency sense. Sowe have energetic sight,
energetic hearing. We even haveenergetic taste, energetic
smell, energetic touch,energetic knowing. We call those
there's more than four, but wecall those basically the four
clears.
Energetic sight is clairvoyance.Energetic hearing is
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clairaudience. Energetic feelinglike you know in your gut.
Women, you kind of feel it inyour gut. That's as
clairsentience.
And energetic knowing where youknow that somehow you know, you
just don't know how you know.Like, I don't have kids, but I
helped one of my kids pottytrain his kid. And I told him
like verbatim what to do and thekid was like potty trained three
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days later and he had beenstruggling with it. I didn't
know how I knew, I just knew. Itjust downloaded to me.
So that's a knowing, right? Whenyou get those knowings. So those
four And what's that one called?
Cathy Worthington (15:01):
What's that
Mariana Cooper (15:02):
one called? That's clear cognizance. Clear
cognizance. Thank you. Energeticcognition.
Now energetic sight is when youget like deja vu or you can see
something like peripherally oryou just get a vision of
something and then it ultimatelyseems to come into fruition.
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Energetic hearing, in answeringthose unanswerable questions,
you're gonna start to hear yourhigher self will send you songs
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in your ear to help you to getto some more of a contextual
message.
Cathy Worthington (15:53):
Wow, I didn't realize that. I get those all
the time. Yeah. Yeah. Didn'trealize the connection.
Mariana Cooper (15:58):
Yep. Yep. So you have these four energetic those
four energetic senses. Now, yourhigher self, that part of you
that's not embodied but ishelping you navigate, always
connects to those senses first.I call this the anatomy of the
moment.
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So it always connects, numberone, the first way you're going
to get a message sent to you.And we're always getting
messages, over a hundredmessages being sent to you every
day. And the way that we thefirst step of that message is
always your energetic sensesfirst. That's where it
originates. So but if youhaven't had those developed, the
second tier of that message isyour body response.
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So your body might feel a senseof lightness or a scent or
goosebumps or a sense ofheaviness or a sense of heat.
Like if you get into somethingand you feel like, oh, know,
that little heat feeling whenyou're angry, when you feel that
first tick, that's yourenergetic sense. That's your
physicality responding to theenergetic sense that came first.
And then the third part of themoment is that your higher self
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will go out into yourenvironment. And it'll start to
send you signs and symbols andsynchronicities, synchronistic
events to reinforce the hunch,what you consider to be a hunch
or that knowing or that feelingyou got, your higher self will
say, yes, yes, yes, there it is,there it is, by giving you a
sign, a symbol, a synchronicity.
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And we have all variousdifferent versions of those for
ourselves. But it's alwaysnumber one, it goes to your
energetic senses first. Numbertwo, your body says males in
with, you know, getting somesort of sense. And then number
three is your environment.
Cathy Worthington (17:41):
Is this something that's missing in the
educating of ourselves and ourchildren about the five d world?
What's missing?
Mariana Cooper (17:50):
Everything as far as what your senses are and
then how to lean into them.Because your energetic senses,
what I just described, generallyyou're not even told about those
until you're trying to go topsychics to get answers to why
the guy isn't texting you, whyyour kid decided he doesn't want
to go to church anymore, Whyyour mother-in-law is just never
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letting go. Why this ishappening at work. Why the
career went south. Or the jobwent this way and you want it
that way.
Or all of those, when you hitthose those wall questions,
which is why when I hadoriginally written to you guys,
I said that we go through thisgateway, especially I I think
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women who are over 40 and goingto their fifties become more
intuitive as they get olderbecause they've hit all of the
markers that were supposed tohappen, all the things that were
supposed to happen in ourregular ladder lives, you know,
the career ladder, the familyladder, you know, the political,
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all the different ladders, thosehit a wall because then we're
being invited to our trueauthentic selves, to our true
voice, to our true callings, toour true, you know, and a
calling is different than apassion. So when we start to get
into those areas where intellectcan't do the answers, that's
when all of these senses, thevolume turns on. It doesn't mean
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that they turn on becausethey've been on all along. You
know, like it like you're goingyou you can think of times in
your childhood where you were inharm's way and you got yourself
out of harm's way, but youdidn't know how you did it.
But you just knew like you'reabout to step off a curb and you
stoned and a truck goes by. Oryou get lost and somehow you're
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you know, some stranger helpsyou and then they're not there
anymore. You know, all thosekinds of different stories. Was
They still happen. Well, yeah.
Because but that's how yourwhole energetic side of your
life is walking alongside ofyou. And the ability to
communicate with that higherself consciously is what we call
personal channeling or free formchanneling. That it's like that
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goes my new book is calledBeyond Intuition. So we go
beyond the point of the basicintuition into actual energetic
communication. That's meant tobe a narrative for us.
Merry Elkins (20:15):
Talk about a little talk a little bit more
about your energeticcommunication system and
something you call the energeticdashboard.
Mariana Cooper (20:24):
Yes. Oh, okay. So the energetic dashboard. So
here so when I talked aboutgetting in the body car. Right?
So we we inhabit our body car.And what happens is when we
allow that animating energy totake on a lifetime so now, know,
I'm taking on a lifetime asMary. I'm taking on a lifetime
as Kathy. Taking on thislifetime as Mari. So each one of
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us from our higher selves, fromour own full full self, assigns
a portion of us, okay.
You're gonna drive the car thistime. The rest the rest of me is
gonna stay out here and help younavigate. We're gonna we're
gonna get some stuff done. Sowhen you step into your body
car, you have tools. In the bodycar, what you have on the three
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d side of the dashboard is yourphysical senses, your, you know,
all of your your biology andyour physiology, and all of the
negative emotions, blame, shame,guilt, fear, anxiety, all of
that, jealousy, all of that goeson the three d side.
That's an experience that youcan have that creates those
contrasting learningexperiences. That's governed by
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your mental mind. So yourintellect, your ability to
analyze, your ability toremember the past. Your mental
mind governs the three d side ofthe dashboard. It's meant to be
a logistician.
It's meant to be a historian. Soyou have all your you know,
remember the past. And it'smeant to watch other it's like a
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discernment, tool. So it watcheswhat other people do. And that's
why you'll say, oh, I'm notgonna buy that blender till I
check Amazon.
I'm gonna check the reviews, andthen I'm gonna ask Sadie what if
which one she got. And if shegot the one I'm thinking, then
I'll get it. So if your mentalmind is limited though, it can't
couple with this whole newideas. It can't come up with
solutions. It's not that's notwhat it's meant to do.
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It's meant to look at the past,keep you safe, and make sure
that you're kind of in keepingwith everybody else. It's kind
of an organizer, so logistician.You have a second half of your
dashboard though when you'reembodied, and that is your five
d dashboard. That's yourenergetic dashboard, and that's
governed by your higher self. Sothat's connecting to the
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infinite.
All of your new ideas, all thecreative things that you come up
with comes from the higher self.And on that side of the
dashboard, you get what I calltravel sized versions of what
you can do when you're not inthe body. Travel sized versions
of your energetic tools that youhave when you're not driving
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around in a body car. So that isyour energetic communication
system, which I'll get back intoa second. Your ability to
manifest, which are do alchemy,which is bringing things from
the non physical into thephysical for your personal use.
Your energetic healing, yourability to heal yourself. And
the energetic there's what wecall energetic infrastructure.
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So we have physicalinfrastructure, which is time,
space, linearity, gravity, lawsof cause and effect, laws of
Newtonian physics. But on theenergetic side, we have an
energetic infrastructure. Notime, no space, no linearity.
Everything happens in thepresent moment. So you've heard
both of these. You hear both ofThey're meant to break together
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and integrate. And the energeticcommunication piece breaks down
into three parts. And that's sothat those two sides can
communicate with each other.
So the first part is intuition.That's when you say four forty
four, you get the moments. Yousee thirty thirty three all the
time, all of that. That's justthe ringtone on the phone.
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That's not the message.
So if you see these numbers44711, oh my god, so and so
called. It's saying ding dingding. There's an there's a
bigger message.
Merry Elkins (24:11):
That There was a ringtone when you said that, by
the way.
Mariana Cooper (24:14):
Yeah. I know. That happened. I'm sorry. That
was on my
Merry Elkins (24:18):
was a perfect perfect timing.
Mariana Cooper (24:20):
I shut down my email before I got on the call
because I didn't wanna have theringtone going off. And
Merry Elkins (24:25):
there it goes off I just I want to know, for those
of us who are trying to get intothe five d world, what are the
five signs that tell that yourhigher self is trying to get a
message to you?
Mariana Cooper (24:41):
Well, I think that's what I was just saying
with the anatomy, the moment. Sothe first thing is it goes to
your four clairs, your energeticsenses first. The second thing
is you're going to feel it inyour physical body. The third
thing, it's going to use signs,symbols, and synchronicities in
your environment, and it's alsogoing to use messengers. So if
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you are not fluent like rightnow, have over 2,000 messages on
my phone from my higher selfbecause I channel full
contextual messages.
So instead of writing it in adiary anymore, I I I will record
it. But if you don't have thatability, you're not, you know,
channeling your higher self.Your higher self will send you
messengers so that it can getyou more contextual information.
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So it's not just a little fourforty four or so I was saying,
oh, is that a sign? Oh, did Ijust see a blue butterfly?
What does that mean? Instead ofthat, you have a messenger come
and say, hey, I think you shoulddo this, this, this, and you
don't even know this person. Youknow, those are synchronistic
things. So that's what yourhigher self uses to get the
messages to you.
Cathy Worthington (25:43):
Yeah. But we have to be alert to those. So is
there a simple way people canaccess their energetic
communication system andactivate their five d frequency?
Mariana Cooper (25:55):
Yes. There's a framework that I have.
Cathy Worthington (25:59):
It's four
Mariana Cooper (25:59):
parts, Clear, connect, communicate, create. So
clearing, our energeticmaintenance is like our physical
maintenance. We need energetichygiene as much as we need
physical hygiene. Hygiene. Somaking sure that we do daily
clearing of our energy and ourfrequency is going to help us to
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be able to get clearer messagesto get a deeper connection.
The second piece, the second cis connect. And that's where
when you say, you know, meditateor at least get still, the one
of the fastest ways you don'thave to have hours of
meditation. But the fastest wayto connect is like saying, okay.
I go to a store and I need a WiFi signal, and it's like, okay.
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I can't connect until I makesure the Wi Fi is on.
So it's your own personalenergetic Wi Fi essentially when
I say connect. One of theeasiest ways to do that is to
take a deep breath, countbackwards from 10 to one. And
that puts you right into thealpha state, and it put it slows
down the beta consciousness andit brings up the alpha state.
And that's the connecting levelto your higher self. And then
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communicate is where you startto get the messages.
And the best thing you can do,keep a list of what you get. So
if you feel like, oh, I got ahunch, write it down. Because
then that gets your physiologyinvolved and it gives permission
to your higher self to turn thevolume up because you're paying
attention. It knows. And as soonas it knows that that corridor
is open for communication whereyou're consciously saying, hey.
Yes. I'm interested in gettingthese messages. The volume turns
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up and you get it. And then thefinal piece of the final c is
create. And create is when youtake inspired action.
So your higher self will say,hey, go read this book or or go
talk to this person or say yesto that interview or say no to
that interview. When you takethat inspired action, then it
will give you the next step. Andso there
Merry Elkins (27:51):
are Are words you can say at all to get you there?
Mariana Cooper (27:59):
What do you mean?
Merry Elkins (28:00):
You know, just like is there we all say that we
have to have the right wordswhen we communicate in order to
have in order to have more moreconfidence in ourselves or or to
live a better life. And and itdepends on what you say quite
often and what you think, thewords that you use to yourself.
(28:21):
And I'm wondering, are therewords that you use to get into
this?
Mariana Cooper (28:26):
No. I think it's more feel. I I can feel it. I
don't I I think I guess if youwere going to use a word, I
would say, unwilling to know ortell me the what I need to know
most right now. That's a reallygood one.
Another really good one is iftell me what I'm missing that if
I knew it would shifteverything.
Merry Elkins (28:46):
Oh, I like that.
Mariana Cooper (28:48):
So I always you know, when I'm really stuck, you
know, and I'm like, okay. I'mhitting up against the wall. I I
you know, it happens to me too.You know? And I as fluent as I
am in all of this, and I I canchannel back and forth.
Like, I can talk to you likethis and channel like, even as
you're talking to me now, I'mchanneling the answers. You
know? I'm, like, tuning in to,like, okay. What's for the
highest and greatest good of theaudience for you all for the
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shortest amount of words and themost amount of clarity, that
type of thing. I sometimes Imiss with the short words.
Them. Get excited. But yeah, asfar as words, open ended
questions is the best. If yousay what's the answer? You never
want to use the word answer.
(29:31):
You say what's the guidance?Because that gives
Merry Elkins (29:35):
Dial in.
Mariana Cooper (29:37):
That gives spaciousness Guidance. Yeah.
Content coming to you. So wesay, what's the answer?
Actually, what's the answer?
Tunes in your three d senses.Because you're rewarded as a
child for decisiveness. Do youhave the answer? No. Then you're
an idiot.
You know, you should have theanswers. But when you as you get
older, we realize that theanswers aren't necessarily
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answers. The answers are thenext step to a bigger picture.
Merry Elkins (30:01):
Right. Right.
Mariana Cooper (30:02):
Right. Channel of guidance. So that's what
guidance is probably the betterword.
Merry Elkins (30:07):
Guidance. Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (30:08):
What's the way that you can people can
access their energeticcommunication system and
activate the five d?
Mariana Cooper (30:19):
The activation part what?
Cathy Worthington (30:22):
I'm sorry. Sorry. I just repeated it. Yeah.
Sorry.
Mariana Cooper (30:26):
Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, as far as the the
activation part, I I think theone of the quickest ways, I
mean, there's plenty of advancedways and and, you know, fancier
ways. But one of the quickestways was saying before is just
counting backwards from 10 toone.
Oh, yeah. And getting still,like move stopping your body. So
silence plus stillness equalssynchronicity.
Merry Elkins (30:50):
Like that.
Mariana Cooper (30:51):
Silence plus stillness. So your silence in
the sense of you stop talking.Your stillness where you stop
moving equals synchronicity,which is that communication
system opening up because it'snow it's giving you symbol
signs, symbols, synchronicities,and messengers. Right? So so my
so my little formula is silenceplus stillness equals
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synchronicity.
And it doesn't mean that youhave to stop your life. You can
be driving and do this. And thisis why I mean this. When you're
driving and you're fixated,you're still. If you turn off
the radio and the phone and thetexts and the recorders and the
voice memos and your kids in theyou're in the car by yourself
(31:37):
and you can have silence ofstimuli.
Merry Elkins (31:43):
Mhmm. Mhmm. I like that.
Cathy Worthington (31:45):
As long as you pay attention to the
traffic.
Mariana Cooper (31:48):
Right. Well, the traffic that becomes that's kind
of almost part of yourphysiology because you've been
driving for so long. Right?You're like Right. You're you're
reflexive.
It's become reflexive unlessyou're just learning how to
drive. You're pretty reflexive.You know, have you ever driven
to the grocery store andrealized I was supposed to go to
the cleaner, but I I do thisevery day. And somehow the car
drove itself to the store, youknow, because you're so it's
(32:10):
such a
Merry Elkins (32:11):
All the time.
Mariana Cooper (32:12):
It's a reflex. That's why you can be so
meditative when you're driving.It's a great time to be tuned
in. All you have to do let's sayyou wanna you wanna try this,
you wanna play with this. Firstof all, keep a notebook nearby,
like a little memo pad orsomething just so you can jot
things down, but when you get toyour destination.
But all you have do when you getin the car is say, okay, hire
yourself. I'm open. I'm gonna noradios. No no no, you know, you
(32:39):
know, Tesla and has Netflix. Nono stimuli.
I'm just gonna be here.
Cathy Worthington (32:43):
They're gonna download TV. Netflix.
Mariana Cooper (32:46):
Right. Yeah. What I need to know, no
Merry Elkins (32:48):
emails, text often.
Mariana Cooper (32:50):
Say what? I do that
Merry Elkins (32:51):
I do that quite often. Is that
Mariana Cooper (32:54):
Are
Merry Elkins (32:55):
you do? Fact yeah. Is that what the factor is, and
how can we use it to have moremoments per day like that?
Mariana Cooper (33:04):
I think when when it comes to the factor, the
factor is recognizing thatthere's a frequency based aspect
of everything that we that wedo. Right? So the factor is
essentially inviting thatstructure of the moment that I
was talking about earlier intoyour experience. And the only
way that you can really get allof this stuff to happen is to
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give it permission to happen.Because otherwise, if you don't
ask, it it it can't come throughthe through the energy.
You always have the freedom ofyour free will. Right? Now
interestingly enough, on whatside of the dashboard do you
think the the the free will wasinserted on? It's not on the
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five d side. The free will is onthe three d side.
So you can veto anything thatyou're getting from the five d.
Like, hey. Take this rare or trythis thing. Can say no. That's
on the three d side.
So the way that you're going toactivate your factor is by
(34:07):
recognizing that, yeah, I'mgoing to give permission to the
frequency to become consciousfor me so that I can use it to
navigate the physical world. Theratio is supposed to be 80%
energetic and 20% physical inhow we navigate our worlds. But
because people aren't educatedenough in energy and frequency
(34:30):
based physiology, they'reoverworking the 20%. And that's
why we have anxiety and ADD andexhaustion and numbness and
burnout and all that becausewe're overamping what wasn't
supposed to be carrying thewhole load. We're asking too
much of our intellects and our,you know, our psyches.
Yeah. Piece that the energy issupposed to be doing.
Merry Elkins (34:54):
Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (34:54):
Well, tell us more about how we can receive
messages from our higher selvesand know how to interpret them
and become aware of the falsemessages we receive so we can
manifest what we want.
Mariana Cooper (35:07):
Oh, that's a lot. It's like four shows.
Cathy Worthington (35:09):
I know.
Mariana Cooper (35:10):
It's a lot. Well, can you repeat the first
part of that question?
Cathy Worthington (35:16):
How can we receive messages from our higher
selves?
Mariana Cooper (35:21):
So that would be asking. Right? So one of it so
there's a couple ways. I can dodo two two good tips. One is
when I leave the house, I say,as I'm closing the door, may I
come back wealthier than I left?
Merry Elkins (35:36):
Wow. In all ways.
Mariana Cooper (35:38):
With more clarity than I left. May come
back with the answer that I'vebeen seeking. You know, when I
get home, I'll have the answerthat I've been seeking. Or I've
held the guidance that I've beenseeking. Right?
You can do this as you'regetting in the car. By the time
I come back, may I have blahblah blah more than what I left.
(36:02):
So that's one way. I find thatwhen you assign that and then
you leave it alone, right? Sohe's like, when I get home, I'm
gonna know more than what Ileft.
Then you leave it to your higherself to configure what that
looks like. If you get toohandsy with it, you get your
(36:23):
intellect in the way. And youcan't, you know, and your
intellect is limited. You shutoff the access to the infinite
information that has theanswers. Your intellect can And
Cathy Worthington (36:35):
that usually happens because we don't trust
the process. We're not trustingit.
Mariana Cooper (36:40):
Oh, you don't know the process. You can't
trust what you haven't beentaught and haven't been given
some chance to build someconfidence in. So you're not
going to necessarily jump rightin and say, oh, I'm so confident
in all this stuff this woman issaying on YouTube. What you're
going to say is, hey, I'mcurious about this. Guess what
curiosity does?
It contunes into your innerchild. Guess where your higher
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self always stops first is yourinner child. Why? Because your
inner child is the most open.Your inner child always operates
from the heart.
So if we're over adulting, sothis child, the inner child,
there's feminine, that's yourvisionary. And there's
masculine, that's your tasker.Most of us, especially ambitious
(37:22):
women, are over ramping in themasculine tasker, completely not
listening to the inner child atall because they think it's
frivolity. And then we do dabblein the vision, but we get
ourselves we won't let ourvision go too big because it
might require too many tasks. Sowhat we want to try to do is
balance the child, the feminine,and the masculine.
(37:43):
And again, bigger daysconversation. But the best one
of the best ways for your higherself to get to you is to play.
To let yourself plant thatplant, bake that bread, get the
chicken, get the pig, whatever.And the last part the last part
of
Cathy Worthington (38:00):
the question was, how are we how are we
becoming aware of the falsemessages that we may receive?
Mariana Cooper (38:06):
Okay. So here's a couple of there's true
guidance versus false guide. Youknow, everybody when people ask
me one of the most popularquestions people ask me is,
well, how can I trust thisguidance that you're talking
about? How do I know if it'strue or if it's my anxiety? That
type of thing.
So true guide let me talk aboutwhat false guidance feels like.
(38:28):
So false guidance always happensoutside of the body. And it's
more like a cartoon caption. Solet's say you're afraid of
something, something going on inthe world, something you know?
So you go into the what ifs.
And the what if, you immediatelygo up here. Like, what if this?
And what if that? And what ifthis? And and then we start to
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analyze.
And then we start to look forsubstantiation. We'll look at
those statistics. And and itspins and it goes fast and it
changes back and forth. That'swhen you know it's false
guidance. It's not connected.
True guidance is always in thebody, deep in the body, like
around your belly button. Sofalse guidance is gonna have you
(39:10):
focused outside of yourself andup. True guidance is gonna feel
down past that in in between Icall it the heart corridor from
your throat down to your bellybutton. That's the heart that's
your truth meter is from here tohere, your throat to your belly
button. So when you're saying,okay, is this true?
Like, did he just say to methis? Now, is that true? Is that
(39:32):
how does instead of saying, isthat yeah. I think so. Say, how
do I feel that feels good to me?
Or that doesn't feel good to meas opposed to I think it is or I
don't think. How does that feel?If somebody says, in my class I
always teach them, these are thewords you're allowed to say and
(39:54):
these are the words you're notallowed to say anymore. And that
makes sense, is going to tuneyou into three d. That feels
right or that feels like the theright direction, tunes you into
the five d.
So thinking is and decisivenessis three d oriented, and feeling
(40:20):
and knowing is five d oriented.
Merry Elkins (40:23):
Oh, that's that's really powerful. Is, is there a
step by step system in your fivedeal let me say that again. Five
d toolkit on how to access thefrequencies? Is that something
that I believe you might havetouched upon?
Mariana Cooper (40:44):
Yeah. So the book that I have is I actually
went I'm not sure where sooriginally, it was called the
five d toolkit, but I publishedit as beyond intuition. So so
you know. And so and and withinthe beyond intuition that we
talk about the five d toolkit.And so and tell me what the
question was again.
Merry Elkins (41:05):
I think you covered it talking about the
levels of the five d frequenciesand how to access them, and I
really think you covered it.
Mariana Cooper (41:14):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's all it's all in
there.
It's all step by step. Actually,in the book also, it gives you
step by step to get your firstfully downloaded message from
your higher self and a frequencyassessment. So you can kind of
see what you're already using,where you're at, and what you
might be missing so far. Oh,that sounds great.
Cathy Worthington (41:32):
And tell us about your high frequency Living
Academy and Advanced AlchemyMasterminds and how you've
helped people with those.
Mariana Cooper (41:42):
You guys are so generous. I appreciate you
asking these questions. Oh,thank you. So I have two things
going on. One is the HighFrequency Living Academy.
I really am a true my highestpassion and mission is to get
people as fluent in the languageof their higher self as they are
in their own intellectual self.And when you integrate the two,
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that's when you have trulymagical living. That's when you
have the full breadth of accessto all the things that you came
here to do. And so I built theacademy around first part one is
just getting you connected tothe energetic communication
system and getting into beingable to perceive your higher
(42:28):
self and recognize when it'sthere and how to access it, and
then how to interpret themessages it sends, and how to
have the confidence to takeaction on those messages. Once
you get that connection withyour higher self, you now have a
narrator for your life.
You literally can say, What thehell was that? And then, Okay,
well, let's talk. And it cangive you that that stream of
(42:48):
consciousness to support you inthe various things that you're
going through in your life. Thenonce you take care of that, I
want you to get your stuff. Sothat's step two in the in the
academy, focus on manifesting.
That means you have to fill yourbucket list first. What happens
with a lot of light workers andpeople are interested in in
(43:08):
light leadership or in helpingother people is they first try
to go out and help each otherpeople before they're willing to
take to receive for themselves.It shouldn't it should be the
other way around. I want you tohave the tools to learn how to
manifest for yourself. We workon a 300 piece bucket list.
We write out 300 things on yourbucket list. Wow. And we focus
on the manifesting of the, youknow, the manifesting practices
(43:32):
in order to start to fill upyour coffers. And once you know
how to do that, then younaturally start to say, okay,
how am gonna serve? What what'swhat how can I support?
Something hits a chord, and yousay, oh, that. And that's when
(43:52):
we move from passion to mission.So your passion is your own for
your own personal discovery.Your passions, whether you you
know, can be anything fromknitting to skiing to riding
horses to barroom dancing tocooking to raising kids,
whatever. But your passion isreally your own personal
learning journey in in in somesort of incubator.
(44:14):
So it might be the incubator oftennis. And some days you're
really good at tennis, and somedays you suck at tennis, and
then you hurt your ankle, andyou have to heal, and you learn
about healing. You know? It's alearning capsule. The mission
though is different than apassion.
A mission is when it's aninvitation from your higher self
to be in partnership for thegreater good. So although I love
(44:39):
ballroom dancing, I didcompetitive ballroom dancing for
fifteen years. I flew all overthe world competing. I danced
with a lot of the stars onDancing With The Stars when they
were still competing themselves.I know a lot of them personally.
It was not my calling. It was mypassion.
Merry Elkins (44:57):
Mhmm.
Mariana Cooper (44:57):
It it it I could lose money. I could make money.
I could spend all kinds of moneyand never make it back. I could
fly all over the place. As hardas I work, I wasn't meant was
not my mission to be acompetitive bottom dancer.
Merry Elkins (45:12):
But they can interrupt. Can they not?
Mariana Cooper (45:15):
They can. However, a mission pulls out in
front of you and a mission isfueled by a different thing.
Because a mission now in apassion, you can fail. And it's
actually part of the package ofpassion because it's part of the
learning curve. In a mission,you can't because a mission is
built for the greater good.
A mission is also self financed.So a mission, you will have
(45:39):
money sent to you to get itdone. And that's where you start
to know, okay, this is somethingbigger. This has taken on a life
of you hear people say, this hastaken on a life of its own.
Like, this started off withsomething I thought was a
passion.
But what a lot of people do isthey try to take a passion or a
hobby and force it to be incomeproducing, and then they lose
money and they make money andthey you know, it kinda doesn't
go because it's not necessarilya mission. So your higher self,
(46:03):
when you're on to mission world,after you filled up your tank,
then it's like I always say, ifyou're gonna help other people,
it's like a a mug of beer. Youhelp them from the foam that's
coming over the side of theglass, not from what's in the
glass itself. You need to drinkwhat's in the glass itself, and
then the excess is what you haveas the surplus to go and present
(46:25):
to other people.
Merry Elkins (46:26):
I I
Cathy Worthington (46:26):
have oxygen mask on the plane.
Merry Elkins (46:29):
Yes. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. I I have to ask you,
though.
What about relationships? Whatif you see someone else's higher
self, but their three d that youyou feel and see doesn't relate
to the five d? What do you sayabout that? How do you get that
to work together?
Mariana Cooper (46:50):
So are you asking for for a relationship
that you're in, or are youasking for, like
Merry Elkins (46:55):
I'm just asking that because I see where people
can be really powerfully giftedwith a five d sensibility, and
yet they don't act that way inthe real world?
Mariana Cooper (47:11):
Well, there's a lot of different reasons. A good
chunk of that is because theyneed to do some clearing. So the
first thing I do when I bringpeople in, we all do a specific
clearing so that you can get ridof all of those old points of
reference, and then that givesyou new access without the kind
of the boulders in a way and allthe yeah, buts, what if, if
onlys, the worthiness stuff. Weneed to kinda get that out of
(47:33):
the way. When it comes torelationships, though, it's
interesting to watch otherpeople.
The more the best thing you cando, and this is part of
energetic infrastructure. Again,it's a bigger concept, but I'll
say it anyway. As you elevateyourself, everyone in your space
starts to elevate as well orthey drop away. Right? And it's
(47:54):
very interesting.
Like, my mom, she went to shewas, you know, third gen you
know, she was the secondgeneration intuitive and all of
that, but she rejected it atsome point. I think she got into
some really dark times in herlife. She said, okay,
something's not working. And shekind of went back into what I
call muggled up, you know, andjust kind of shut it down. And I
was like on a runaway train withthe spirituality and she's like,
(48:15):
you know, so she became quitecritical.
And, you know, for a while itreally stumped me. It was really
hurtful. It was hurtful, quitefrankly. It was created a lot of
friction. And she had all thesetalents and abilities.
She's a psychotherapist. Shecould channel her psychotherapy
sessions and often did. But I Istudied with a teacher and he
(48:36):
said, look, focus on elevatingyourself. And then your
frequency raises, yourattraction level raises, and
you'll attract the level ofperson that you are. So
everybody has versions ofthemselves.
And as I raise my vibration, asI learned more of this, by the
time my mom, you know, was inher later stages of life, She
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did the same thing. It was likea totally different person. She
started meditating. She startedreading books. You know, I
helped a little bit, but Ididn't help that much.
But because I was elevating andI was focusing on myself, it was
a magnetic and this is howfrequency works. We magnetize
who we are. We can you know, weattract who we are and the
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version of those people.Sometimes if you know, your
spouse will start it won't itwon't be right in sync. But as
you raise, you'll notice like onhis own or on her own, they're
there they start to raise ontheir own.
Other way other times, they'lldrop away and you'll be like,
well, okay. Right? It's justmeant to split. That was a
(49:44):
season. Frequency is a veryinteresting thing.
It's magnetic. And there's alldifferent versions of all of us.
So I think that you don't haveto worry about kind of fixing
other people or convincingsomeone that they need to do
this too. You never want toreally do that. You can
introduce it.
But the more you do it yourself,you become that magnet and they
(50:07):
start to it's it's stunning tosee how people start to behave
differently when you start toshift those inner Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (50:15):
And thank you for giving us several examples
of how to elevate the higherself. Because I would never have
thought of making soup to besomething one of those things.
So Yeah. In fact, can I wasgonna ask you what you would
like our audience to have as atakeaway today? Maybe you could
(50:38):
list some more things that theycan do to access their high our
higher selves or anything elseyou want us to take away.
It doesn't have to be that.
Mariana Cooper (50:52):
I think the thing that's most important to
remember, especially now when wehave such volatile times that
we're all going to. And I'vebeen doing a tremendous amount
of political conversations withall of this too that again,
another day's conversation wedon't have to do that now. The
most important thing you can doright now is to double down on
(51:13):
your dreams. Double down. Ifyou're in a business, it's time
to pivot.
You have to be willing to pivotand say, and this you don't have
to be fluent in the language ofyour heart self, but you just
say the sentences, show me whereI can best shine at this time.
(51:36):
Show me where I can best shineat this time. And you will be
supplied. This isn't lastingforever. This will take it's
gonna have its run.
But as far as light leaders areconcerned, like I have a new
light leaders council, and Ihave a membership group. High
(51:57):
Frequency Living With Marimembership. I I was just I have
an agent that I'm signed with inin LA. And he set me up for a
meeting with a publicist and shesaid, oh, well describe
yourself. I said, well, I'm kindof like Joanna Gaines and Joe
Dispenza had a baby.
That would be me. It's like thehigh frequency homestead. You
(52:18):
know? Like like, get with thechickens and the horses and the
dogs. But, you know, like, we'retalking to the higher self and,
you know?
And she said, oh my gosh. I getthat. I get that. So important
to be willing to hybridyourself, like hyphenate
yourself. Be willing to say,yeah, high frequency living and
(52:40):
farming at the same time.
That's me. Or you know, youcould be writing a book or
painting. Pull out your paintsagain. All the things that you
say, I'm gonna get to that. Ijust have to focus on this for
now.
Pull the I'm gonna get to thatones out. Because what that does
is without all this intellectualstuff that I'm talking about,
(53:01):
like all these how to's, itnaturally sticks you right into
that that arena of the field.
Merry Elkins (53:09):
Yeah.
Mariana Cooper (53:09):
It makes you available to those insights. It
lifts your optimism. You radiateout, and the best gift that you
can give anyone is your own joy.Because then you're an example
on a permission slip for whatthey can do for themselves.
Merry Elkins (53:29):
Oh, that's perfect. A perfect way
to end our
Mariana Cooper (53:31):
Thank
Merry Elkins (53:34):
you so much, Mari. Our guest today on Late Boomers
has been Mariana Cooper, a thirdgeneration intuitive life
strategist, radio host, founderof the High Frequency Living
Academy, and the AdvancedAlchemy Masterminds. She's the
author of the Factor and BeyondIntuition. And if you want to
(53:59):
reach Mariana, go to herwebsite,
beyondintuitionbook.com. Is thatright, Marty?
Mariana Cooper (54:07):
That's correct. That's right. Thank you
Cathy Worthington (54:09):
so much. She's got a lot of info on there
for you, so check it out. Andtune in next week when we'll be
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Mariana Cooper (54:46):
Thank you so much for having me. It's been so
much fun.
Cathy Worthington (54:49):
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Everyone has a story, and we'll take you
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journey our guests have taken toget where they are, inspiring
you to create your own path tosuccess. Let's get started. Hi
there. I'm Kathy Worthingtonwelcoming you to our latest
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episode of late boomersalongside my cohost, Mary
Elkins. If you often wonder howto achieve what you most desire,
today's guest, Mariana Cooper,will share insights on how to
make it happen.
She'll be discussing a topic wehaven't explored in-depth
before, the five d universe.
Merry Elkins (01:15):
And I'm Mary Elkins. Mariana, or Mari as she
likes to be called, is theauthor of the factor, beyond
intuition, and the upcomingbook, the five d toolkit. She's
an internationally acclaimedintuitive life strategist and
hosts the Moments radio show.Welcome, Mari. We're excited to
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learn about 5D and how we canaccess it.
Mariana Cooper (01:39):
Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so
much for having me. I'm reallyexcited to be here.
Cathy Worthington (01:44):
Great to have you. Please tell us about your
background as a third generationintuitive and how and when you
realized you needed more in yourlife to help you survive?
Mariana Cooper (01:57):
Well, let's see. My mom was intuitive. My
grandmother was also intuitive.And my mom actually studied with
Shirley MacLean when she cameout with her miniseries Out on a
Limb. She kind of broke the iceof mainstream into all things
new age and metaphysical.
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So I was actually, while theother kids were being taken to
the mall and various normal kidsthings. I was being taken to
channeling sessions and psychicreadings in crystal stores back
in the eighties. I was in acrystal shop with my mom. She
was at the front lookingcrystals and I was in the
bookcase, in the books section.And a book literally fell off
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the shelf in my hands.
And it was by Shakti Gawaincalled Living in the Light. I
ended up eventually on my ownshow. I had her She actually
came on my show and was a gueston my show.
Cathy Worthington (02:54):
Oh, great. I remember her. I remember. I
remember reading.
Mariana Cooper (02:58):
Yeah. She was definitely my entry into my
entree into the New Age world.And for about, I don't know,
about ten years, I just yeah, Iwas working in corporate. And
corporate, of course, pushesyour limits. And it got to the
point where I realized twothings.
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One is that my mom always had apsychic, so I'd go to these
psychic readings with her. And Istarted to realize I had more of
the answers than the psychicdid, or the psychic was saying
the things that I was gettingmyself. The second thing that I
noticed was that my intellect,as smart as I was, I have an
MBA, I have a BA in psychology,my mother's a psychotherapist,
so I had all this background.The answers my life was far
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exceeding what the answers ofthe intellect could get me. And
I think that's what happens aswe get older and more mature and
our lives start to get morecomplex And we get off of the
career ladder that is prescribedfor us and the family
prescription of how you shouldbe to be good in the family.
Like my parents want us to havemaster's degrees and all that.
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And when you step off of thesyllabus of life and life starts
to hit you, we step through agateway where our intellect can
no longer answer. And you haveto say you start to go into
those spaces of who am I? Wheredo I fit in? Is this all there
is?
Are you kidding me? I thought Iwould be here by now. And then
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the biggest inciting incidentwas when my fiance passed away
in my early 30s. We had a wholelife plan together. And when he
passed away, I went for a yeararound the different mediums
asking to see if I could connectto him because I could feel
something.
And each medium I mean, I was onwaiting lists for like six
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months. One of them for a year,George Anderson, one of the
biggest mediums there was at thetime. And every medium I went
to, they said, he won't comethrough for us. He wants you to
talk to him directly. So thelast medium that I went to was
at the Learning Annex in NewYork City.
She was teaching a class, And itwas on my fiance's what would
have been his birthday. And Isaid to him, if you don't come
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through today, I'm never gonnatry again. Like, I'm done. I've
been doing this for a year. Andit worked out that she made us
swap pictures in the class Andwe each had to read each other.
I thought we were just gonna getreadings from her. And I ended
up reading everyone in the classand being able to pick up, you
know. So she actually offered mea job at the end of the class to
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help to apprentice with her. Sofrom that point that night, I
wrote 30 pages. I just keptwriting and writing and writing.
They're actually still next tomy bed now, and this was a long
time ago. They're all yellowed.And that was my kind of foray
into the actual channeling part,where I was realizing there was
a way to communicate.
Cathy Worthington (05:50):
Were the pages coming from him?
Mariana Cooper (05:53):
Yeah. Yep. Were you writing what he was saying?
Mhmm. Was writing guidance towhat he was saying.
And for a while and then I gotcertified as a medium. I went
and I got certifications andstuff because that's just how I
was raised. You're not legituntil you get a certification.
But I realized that themediumship was just an entree.
And as I started teaching andbuilding out my practice, and I
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left corporate America and Iwent into the whole spiritual
thing full time, I realized thatthere was even more.
That we have an energeticcommunication system that we're
meant to be tapping into 80% ofthe time as opposed to our
intellect, is supposed to beused 20% of the time. But we're
not taught that. So we're allwalking around kind of out of
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balance. You know, I won't get Iwon't go too far. I can go on
and on.
So I'll stop here.
Merry Elkins (06:44):
Yeah. Well, okay. First of all, tell our audience
briefly what an intuitive is.And then you were about to talk
about the five d world. Right?
What you are an expert in. Butalso, there's a three d world
that we seem to operate in threedimensions. Can you explain
those and talk about what thedifference is?
Mariana Cooper (07:07):
Sure. So essentially, first major tenet
that I always lean into is thepremise. Most of us are exposed
to some sort of formal religionwhen we're growing up. So I was
raised Catholic. There's, youknow, obviously, there's, you
know, seven, eight, nine majorreligions.
We're kind of steered at leastin the direction of where this
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physical body first, and thenthere's some sort of maybe
there's some sort of spiritualthing in us, the spirit, the
holy spirit, whatever. And thenthere's a god over over there,
and there's this division. Andin between, the spirit within us
and the god over there is arabbi or minister or priest or
some guy in there, you know,that we have to kind of get
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through to get to that biggerthing. And it has to be
interpreted back to us. And sothe first premise I had is isn't
if there was and just bear withme because I'm going to get to
the answer, but this is how I doit.
If God was gonna make God, theGod of your understanding,
source energy was going tocreate eight, nine different
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major religions, 600 differentways of divination, all sorts of
ways to ask for questions, toask for things, to ask set
intentions, to ask, to ask, toask, to pray, to ask. When they
make at least one robust way ofgetting the answers back, Like,
why would you create a one wayconversation with billions of
people? It just doesn't make anysense. And so the answer is yes.
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And every religion, everyspiritual system, modality has
its way of receiving the answersback.
And that's where the power is,is getting the answers. Right?
And so that's what was where wegot the middlemen in between is
they slow down the answers. Oh,you have to go through me to get
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the answer. Oh, you have to gothrough her to get the answer.
So so the first thing is the waythat we're really structured is
where these big giant balls ofenergy, that's eternal. So that
whole we live forever. You know,we're all eternal, we're all
infinite. And then as this biggiant ball of energy, each one
of us, we want to do two things.We want to expand and we want to
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ascend.
We want to become more consciousof access to our energetic
selves. So in order to do that,we take on a thimble of a body.
So instead of it being a spiritwithin the body, it's actually a
body within the spirit, withinthat energy. And a portion of
that energy becomes the driverof that body car. The rest of us
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stays outside of that body caras the navigation system.
So our higher self, our biggerself, our divine self, whatever
you want to call that, isoutside of this body car and as
a portion of itself acting asthe driver inside the animating
energy of our body. So that'swhy our bodies move when we
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think and we speak. That's ourconsciousness. Right? So our
consciousness that's animatingour body is also the
consciousness that's navigatingus and helping us to go to
navigate throughout our world.
So when we talk aboutdimensions, third dimension and
below is where things feel aretangible, solid matter. Solid
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and it's not really solid.That's another day's
conversation too big for theshow.
Merry Elkins (10:33):
Mommy.
Mariana Cooper (10:34):
So it's magic. Too big for our show. Yes. Well,
it's too big for it's just justtoo long. You know was just and
then then we have the fifthdimension.
I'll get into fourth in asecond, but the fifth dimension
and above is where everything isnonphysical. It's all there, but
it's not in a tangible shapedphysical form. So the car that
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you're gonna get next year rightnow is in five d frequency. When
you decide to get it, then itmoves into through four d
frequency into three dfrequency. So that's how we So
four d is the transit pointbetween the two.
So it's where we transfer fromenergetic form into physical
form. And so the language that'sthere's an energetic
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communications language thatswings back and forth between
the two. And that's when we getinto intuition and the ability
to personally channel andetcetera. So is so five d
frequency is where we're isnonphysical. Three d frequency
is where we're physical.
Four d is the transit point. Sothey say to meditate. They say
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to go out and get centered, toget into mindfulness. Well, what
does that do? It raises yourvibration so you get into the
corridor, into the tunnel of thefour d so that the five d can
connect.
So the five d drops itself downand slows itself down. But in
order for us to get more of allthis manifesting, all these
things that we want, we need tospeed our vibration up. And
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that's what happens kind of inthose that in between spot. So
when you just get quiet. Whenyou're, you know, when you're
observing your grandchild andyou're just experiencing their
smile or their giggle, you'regoing you're raising your
frequency.
You're connecting in. That getsyou in the fourth dimensional
energy. You you'd be amazed athow many things just, you know,
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watching your pet, you know,petting your dog, petting your
cat, making a wonderful dinnerthat's really nourishing and
just feeling like, okay, I'mgonna make the homemade tomato
soup today and I'm actuallygonna put cream in. All that
kind of stuff. That raises thephysical vibration.
It make it quickens you so thatas you're stirring that pot, you
get that insight into thatquestion that you thought, oh,
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yeah. You know what? Oh, that'swhat I could do. Because you're
you're you're raising theoverall energy. So then you make
yourself available to theinformation that you might be
missing in that solid area.
Does that
Merry Elkins (12:58):
You're raising your joy.
Mariana Cooper (13:00):
Right. Joy is high frequent. Joy is at one of
the highest frequency emotions.So so that's kind very,
Cathy Worthington (13:09):
very good explanation of that.
Merry Elkins (13:11):
Yeah. Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (13:12):
Very good. And what what would you say are
the energetic abilities that wewere born with, but we were
never told about?
Mariana Cooper (13:23):
This is my favorite question. So okay.
Buckle up. You have somethingfor Okay. I got my You know how
when people say, oh, she has agift.
Oh, they have the gift. Oh, it'snot a gift. All that really is,
is oh, she's developed hersenses. Oh, she's developed her
senses. We are all born with allof the energetic senses.
(13:45):
So first things first. What Idiscussed in 5D frequency is not
psychic development. So this isnot about predicting anything.
This is not mediumship whereyou're talking to people who
have crossed over. This isenergetic physiology.
So frequency based physiology.So our bodies were born with an
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equivalent frequency sense. Sowe have energetic sight,
energetic hearing. We even haveenergetic taste, energetic
smell, energetic touch,energetic knowing. We call those
there's more than four, but wecall those basically the four
clears.
Energetic sight is clairvoyance.Energetic hearing is
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clairaudience. Energetic feelinglike you know in your gut.
Women, you kind of feel it inyour gut. That's as
clairsentience.
And energetic knowing where youknow that somehow you know, you
just don't know how you know.Like, I don't have kids, but I
helped one of my kids pottytrain his kid. And I told him
like verbatim what to do and thekid was like potty trained three
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days later and he had beenstruggling with it. I didn't
know how I knew, I just knew. Itjust downloaded to me.
So that's a knowing, right? Whenyou get those knowings. So those
four And what's that one called?
Cathy Worthington (15:01):
What's that
Mariana Cooper (15:02):
one called? That's clear cognizance. Clear
cognizance. Thank you. Energeticcognition.
Now energetic sight is when youget like deja vu or you can see
something like peripherally oryou just get a vision of
something and then it ultimatelyseems to come into fruition.
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Energetic hearing, in answeringthose unanswerable questions,
you're gonna start to hear yourhigher self will send you songs
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in your ear to help you to getto some more of a contextual
message.
Cathy Worthington (15:53):
Wow, I didn't realize that. I get those all
the time. Yeah. Yeah. Didn'trealize the connection.
Mariana Cooper (15:58):
Yep. Yep. So you have these four energetic those
four energetic senses. Now, yourhigher self, that part of you
that's not embodied but ishelping you navigate, always
connects to those senses first.I call this the anatomy of the
moment.
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So it always connects, numberone, the first way you're going
to get a message sent to you.And we're always getting
messages, over a hundredmessages being sent to you every
day. And the way that we thefirst step of that message is
always your energetic sensesfirst. That's where it
originates. So but if youhaven't had those developed, the
second tier of that message isyour body response.
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So your body might feel a senseof lightness or a scent or
goosebumps or a sense ofheaviness or a sense of heat.
Like if you get into somethingand you feel like, oh, know,
that little heat feeling whenyou're angry, when you feel that
first tick, that's yourenergetic sense. That's your
physicality responding to theenergetic sense that came first.
And then the third part of themoment is that your higher self
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will go out into yourenvironment. And it'll start to
send you signs and symbols andsynchronicities, synchronistic
events to reinforce the hunch,what you consider to be a hunch
or that knowing or that feelingyou got, your higher self will
say, yes, yes, yes, there it is,there it is, by giving you a
sign, a symbol, a synchronicity.
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And we have all variousdifferent versions of those for
ourselves. But it's alwaysnumber one, it goes to your
energetic senses first. Numbertwo, your body says males in
with, you know, getting somesort of sense. And then number
three is your environment.
Cathy Worthington (17:41):
Is this something that's missing in the
educating of ourselves and ourchildren about the five d world?
What's missing?
Mariana Cooper (17:50):
Everything as far as what your senses are and
then how to lean into them.Because your energetic senses,
what I just described, generallyyou're not even told about those
until you're trying to go topsychics to get answers to why
the guy isn't texting you, whyyour kid decided he doesn't want
to go to church anymore, Whyyour mother-in-law is just never
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letting go. Why this ishappening at work. Why the
career went south. Or the jobwent this way and you want it
that way.
Or all of those, when you hitthose those wall questions,
which is why when I hadoriginally written to you guys,
I said that we go through thisgateway, especially I I think
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women who are over 40 and goingto their fifties become more
intuitive as they get olderbecause they've hit all of the
markers that were supposed tohappen, all the things that were
supposed to happen in ourregular ladder lives, you know,
the career ladder, the familyladder, you know, the political,
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all the different ladders, thosehit a wall because then we're
being invited to our trueauthentic selves, to our true
voice, to our true callings, toour true, you know, and a
calling is different than apassion. So when we start to get
into those areas where intellectcan't do the answers, that's
when all of these senses, thevolume turns on. It doesn't mean
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that they turn on becausethey've been on all along. You
know, like it like you're goingyou you can think of times in
your childhood where you were inharm's way and you got yourself
out of harm's way, but youdidn't know how you did it.
But you just knew like you'reabout to step off a curb and you
stoned and a truck goes by. Oryou get lost and somehow you're
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you know, some stranger helpsyou and then they're not there
anymore. You know, all thosekinds of different stories. Was
They still happen. Well, yeah.
Because but that's how yourwhole energetic side of your
life is walking alongside ofyou. And the ability to
communicate with that higherself consciously is what we call
personal channeling or free formchanneling. That it's like that
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goes my new book is calledBeyond Intuition. So we go
beyond the point of the basicintuition into actual energetic
communication. That's meant tobe a narrative for us.
Merry Elkins (20:15):
Talk about a little talk a little bit more
about your energeticcommunication system and
something you call the energeticdashboard.
Mariana Cooper (20:24):
Yes. Oh, okay. So the energetic dashboard. So
here so when I talked aboutgetting in the body car. Right?
So we we inhabit our body car.And what happens is when we
allow that animating energy totake on a lifetime so now, know,
I'm taking on a lifetime asMary. I'm taking on a lifetime
as Kathy. Taking on thislifetime as Mari. So each one of
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us from our higher selves, fromour own full full self, assigns
a portion of us, okay.
You're gonna drive the car thistime. The rest the rest of me is
gonna stay out here and help younavigate. We're gonna we're
gonna get some stuff done. Sowhen you step into your body
car, you have tools. In the bodycar, what you have on the three
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d side of the dashboard is yourphysical senses, your, you know,
all of your your biology andyour physiology, and all of the
negative emotions, blame, shame,guilt, fear, anxiety, all of
that, jealousy, all of that goeson the three d side.
That's an experience that youcan have that creates those
contrasting learningexperiences. That's governed by
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your mental mind. So yourintellect, your ability to
analyze, your ability toremember the past. Your mental
mind governs the three d side ofthe dashboard. It's meant to be
a logistician.
It's meant to be a historian. Soyou have all your you know,
remember the past. And it'smeant to watch other it's like a
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discernment, tool. So it watcheswhat other people do. And that's
why you'll say, oh, I'm notgonna buy that blender till I
check Amazon.
I'm gonna check the reviews, andthen I'm gonna ask Sadie what if
which one she got. And if shegot the one I'm thinking, then
I'll get it. So if your mentalmind is limited though, it can't
couple with this whole newideas. It can't come up with
solutions. It's not that's notwhat it's meant to do.
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It's meant to look at the past,keep you safe, and make sure
that you're kind of in keepingwith everybody else. It's kind
of an organizer, so logistician.You have a second half of your
dashboard though when you'reembodied, and that is your five
d dashboard. That's yourenergetic dashboard, and that's
governed by your higher self. Sothat's connecting to the
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infinite.
All of your new ideas, all thecreative things that you come up
with comes from the higher self.And on that side of the
dashboard, you get what I calltravel sized versions of what
you can do when you're not inthe body. Travel sized versions
of your energetic tools that youhave when you're not driving
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around in a body car. So that isyour energetic communication
system, which I'll get back intoa second. Your ability to
manifest, which are do alchemy,which is bringing things from
the non physical into thephysical for your personal use.
Your energetic healing, yourability to heal yourself. And
the energetic there's what wecall energetic infrastructure.
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So we have physicalinfrastructure, which is time,
space, linearity, gravity, lawsof cause and effect, laws of
Newtonian physics. But on theenergetic side, we have an
energetic infrastructure. Notime, no space, no linearity.
Everything happens in thepresent moment. So you've heard
both of these. You hear both ofThey're meant to break together
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and integrate. And the energeticcommunication piece breaks down
into three parts. And that's sothat those two sides can
communicate with each other.
So the first part is intuition.That's when you say four forty
four, you get the moments. Yousee thirty thirty three all the
time, all of that. That's justthe ringtone on the phone.
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That's not the message.
So if you see these numbers44711, oh my god, so and so
called. It's saying ding dingding. There's an there's a
bigger message.
Merry Elkins (24:11):
That There was a ringtone when you said that, by
the way.
Mariana Cooper (24:14):
Yeah. I know. That happened. I'm sorry. That
was on my
Merry Elkins (24:18):
was a perfect perfect timing.
Mariana Cooper (24:20):
I shut down my email before I got on the call
because I didn't wanna have theringtone going off. And
Merry Elkins (24:25):
there it goes off I just I want to know, for those
of us who are trying to get intothe five d world, what are the
five signs that tell that yourhigher self is trying to get a
message to you?
Mariana Cooper (24:41):
Well, I think that's what I was just saying
with the anatomy, the moment. Sothe first thing is it goes to
your four clairs, your energeticsenses first. The second thing
is you're going to feel it inyour physical body. The third
thing, it's going to use signs,symbols, and synchronicities in
your environment, and it's alsogoing to use messengers. So if
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you are not fluent like rightnow, have over 2,000 messages on
my phone from my higher selfbecause I channel full
contextual messages.
So instead of writing it in adiary anymore, I I I will record
it. But if you don't have thatability, you're not, you know,
channeling your higher self.Your higher self will send you
messengers so that it can getyou more contextual information.
(25:23):
So it's not just a little fourforty four or so I was saying,
oh, is that a sign? Oh, did Ijust see a blue butterfly?
What does that mean? Instead ofthat, you have a messenger come
and say, hey, I think you shoulddo this, this, this, and you
don't even know this person. Youknow, those are synchronistic
things. So that's what yourhigher self uses to get the
messages to you.
Cathy Worthington (25:43):
Yeah. But we have to be alert to those. So is
there a simple way people canaccess their energetic
communication system andactivate their five d frequency?
Mariana Cooper (25:55):
Yes. There's a framework that I have.
Cathy Worthington (25:59):
It's four
Mariana Cooper (25:59):
parts, Clear, connect, communicate, create. So
clearing, our energeticmaintenance is like our physical
maintenance. We need energetichygiene as much as we need
physical hygiene. Hygiene. Somaking sure that we do daily
clearing of our energy and ourfrequency is going to help us to
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be able to get clearer messagesto get a deeper connection.
The second piece, the second cis connect. And that's where
when you say, you know, meditateor at least get still, the one
of the fastest ways you don'thave to have hours of
meditation. But the fastest wayto connect is like saying, okay.
I go to a store and I need a WiFi signal, and it's like, okay.
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I can't connect until I makesure the Wi Fi is on.
So it's your own personalenergetic Wi Fi essentially when
I say connect. One of theeasiest ways to do that is to
take a deep breath, countbackwards from 10 to one. And
that puts you right into thealpha state, and it put it slows
down the beta consciousness andit brings up the alpha state.
And that's the connecting levelto your higher self. And then
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communicate is where you startto get the messages.
And the best thing you can do,keep a list of what you get. So
if you feel like, oh, I got ahunch, write it down. Because
then that gets your physiologyinvolved and it gives permission
to your higher self to turn thevolume up because you're paying
attention. It knows. And as soonas it knows that that corridor
is open for communication whereyou're consciously saying, hey.
Yes. I'm interested in gettingthese messages. The volume turns
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up and you get it. And then thefinal piece of the final c is
create. And create is when youtake inspired action.
So your higher self will say,hey, go read this book or or go
talk to this person or say yesto that interview or say no to
that interview. When you takethat inspired action, then it
will give you the next step. Andso there
Merry Elkins (27:51):
are Are words you can say at all to get you there?
Mariana Cooper (27:59):
What do you mean?
Merry Elkins (28:00):
You know, just like is there we all say that we
have to have the right wordswhen we communicate in order to
have in order to have more moreconfidence in ourselves or or to
live a better life. And and itdepends on what you say quite
often and what you think, thewords that you use to yourself.
(28:21):
And I'm wondering, are therewords that you use to get into
this?
Mariana Cooper (28:26):
No. I think it's more feel. I I can feel it. I
don't I I think I guess if youwere going to use a word, I
would say, unwilling to know ortell me the what I need to know
most right now. That's a reallygood one.
Another really good one is iftell me what I'm missing that if
I knew it would shifteverything.
Merry Elkins (28:46):
Oh, I like that.
Mariana Cooper (28:48):
So I always you know, when I'm really stuck, you
know, and I'm like, okay. I'mhitting up against the wall. I I
you know, it happens to me too.You know? And I as fluent as I
am in all of this, and I I canchannel back and forth.
Like, I can talk to you likethis and channel like, even as
you're talking to me now, I'mchanneling the answers. You
know? I'm, like, tuning in to,like, okay. What's for the
highest and greatest good of theaudience for you all for the
(29:10):
shortest amount of words and themost amount of clarity, that
type of thing. I sometimes Imiss with the short words.
Them. Get excited. But yeah, asfar as words, open ended
questions is the best. If yousay what's the answer? You never
want to use the word answer.
(29:31):
You say what's the guidance?Because that gives
Merry Elkins (29:35):
Dial in.
Mariana Cooper (29:37):
That gives spaciousness Guidance. Yeah.
Content coming to you. So wesay, what's the answer?
Actually, what's the answer?
Tunes in your three d senses.Because you're rewarded as a
child for decisiveness. Do youhave the answer? No. Then you're
an idiot.
You know, you should have theanswers. But when you as you get
older, we realize that theanswers aren't necessarily
(29:58):
answers. The answers are thenext step to a bigger picture.
Merry Elkins (30:01):
Right. Right.
Mariana Cooper (30:02):
Right. Channel of guidance. So that's what
guidance is probably the betterword.
Merry Elkins (30:07):
Guidance. Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (30:08):
What's the way that you can people can
access their energeticcommunication system and
activate the five d?
Mariana Cooper (30:19):
The activation part what?
Cathy Worthington (30:22):
I'm sorry. Sorry. I just repeated it. Yeah.
Sorry.
Mariana Cooper (30:26):
Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, as far as the the
activation part, I I think theone of the quickest ways, I
mean, there's plenty of advancedways and and, you know, fancier
ways. But one of the quickestways was saying before is just
counting backwards from 10 toone.
Oh, yeah. And getting still,like move stopping your body. So
silence plus stillness equalssynchronicity.
Merry Elkins (30:50):
Like that.
Mariana Cooper (30:51):
Silence plus stillness. So your silence in
the sense of you stop talking.Your stillness where you stop
moving equals synchronicity,which is that communication
system opening up because it'snow it's giving you symbol
signs, symbols, synchronicities,and messengers. Right? So so my
so my little formula is silenceplus stillness equals
(31:14):
synchronicity.
And it doesn't mean that youhave to stop your life. You can
be driving and do this. And thisis why I mean this. When you're
driving and you're fixated,you're still. If you turn off
the radio and the phone and thetexts and the recorders and the
voice memos and your kids in theyou're in the car by yourself
(31:37):
and you can have silence ofstimuli.
Merry Elkins (31:43):
Mhmm. Mhmm. I like that.
Cathy Worthington (31:45):
As long as you pay attention to the
traffic.
Mariana Cooper (31:48):
Right. Well, the traffic that becomes that's kind
of almost part of yourphysiology because you've been
driving for so long. Right?You're like Right. You're you're
reflexive.
It's become reflexive unlessyou're just learning how to
drive. You're pretty reflexive.You know, have you ever driven
to the grocery store andrealized I was supposed to go to
the cleaner, but I I do thisevery day. And somehow the car
drove itself to the store, youknow, because you're so it's
(32:10):
such a
Merry Elkins (32:11):
All the time.
Mariana Cooper (32:12):
It's a reflex. That's why you can be so
meditative when you're driving.It's a great time to be tuned
in. All you have to do let's sayyou wanna you wanna try this,
you wanna play with this. Firstof all, keep a notebook nearby,
like a little memo pad orsomething just so you can jot
things down, but when you get toyour destination.
But all you have do when you getin the car is say, okay, hire
yourself. I'm open. I'm gonna noradios. No no no, you know, you
(32:39):
know, Tesla and has Netflix. Nono stimuli.
I'm just gonna be here.
Cathy Worthington (32:43):
They're gonna download TV. Netflix.
Mariana Cooper (32:46):
Right. Yeah. What I need to know, no
Merry Elkins (32:48):
emails, text often.
Mariana Cooper (32:50):
Say what? I do that
Merry Elkins (32:51):
I do that quite often. Is that
Mariana Cooper (32:54):
Are
Merry Elkins (32:55):
you do? Fact yeah. Is that what the factor is, and
how can we use it to have moremoments per day like that?
Mariana Cooper (33:04):
I think when when it comes to the factor, the
factor is recognizing thatthere's a frequency based aspect
of everything that we that wedo. Right? So the factor is
essentially inviting thatstructure of the moment that I
was talking about earlier intoyour experience. And the only
way that you can really get allof this stuff to happen is to
(33:25):
give it permission to happen.Because otherwise, if you don't
ask, it it it can't come throughthe through the energy.
You always have the freedom ofyour free will. Right? Now
interestingly enough, on whatside of the dashboard do you
think the the the free will wasinserted on? It's not on the
(33:45):
five d side. The free will is onthe three d side.
So you can veto anything thatyou're getting from the five d.
Like, hey. Take this rare or trythis thing. Can say no. That's
on the three d side.
So the way that you're going toactivate your factor is by
(34:07):
recognizing that, yeah, I'mgoing to give permission to the
frequency to become consciousfor me so that I can use it to
navigate the physical world. Theratio is supposed to be 80%
energetic and 20% physical inhow we navigate our worlds. But
because people aren't educatedenough in energy and frequency
(34:30):
based physiology, they'reoverworking the 20%. And that's
why we have anxiety and ADD andexhaustion and numbness and
burnout and all that becausewe're overamping what wasn't
supposed to be carrying thewhole load. We're asking too
much of our intellects and our,you know, our psyches.
Yeah. Piece that the energy issupposed to be doing.
Merry Elkins (34:54):
Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (34:54):
Well, tell us more about how we can receive
messages from our higher selvesand know how to interpret them
and become aware of the falsemessages we receive so we can
manifest what we want.
Mariana Cooper (35:07):
Oh, that's a lot. It's like four shows.
Cathy Worthington (35:09):
I know.
Mariana Cooper (35:10):
It's a lot. Well, can you repeat the first
part of that question?
Cathy Worthington (35:16):
How can we receive messages from our higher
selves?
Mariana Cooper (35:21):
So that would be asking. Right? So one of it so
there's a couple ways. I can dodo two two good tips. One is
when I leave the house, I say,as I'm closing the door, may I
come back wealthier than I left?
Merry Elkins (35:36):
Wow. In all ways.
Mariana Cooper (35:38):
With more clarity than I left. May come
back with the answer that I'vebeen seeking. You know, when I
get home, I'll have the answerthat I've been seeking. Or I've
held the guidance that I've beenseeking. Right?
You can do this as you'regetting in the car. By the time
I come back, may I have blahblah blah more than what I left.
(36:02):
So that's one way. I find thatwhen you assign that and then
you leave it alone, right? Sohe's like, when I get home, I'm
gonna know more than what Ileft.
Then you leave it to your higherself to configure what that
looks like. If you get toohandsy with it, you get your
(36:23):
intellect in the way. And youcan't, you know, and your
intellect is limited. You shutoff the access to the infinite
information that has theanswers. Your intellect can And
Cathy Worthington (36:35):
that usually happens because we don't trust
the process. We're not trustingit.
Mariana Cooper (36:40):
Oh, you don't know the process. You can't
trust what you haven't beentaught and haven't been given
some chance to build someconfidence in. So you're not
going to necessarily jump rightin and say, oh, I'm so confident
in all this stuff this woman issaying on YouTube. What you're
going to say is, hey, I'mcurious about this. Guess what
curiosity does?
It contunes into your innerchild. Guess where your higher
(37:01):
self always stops first is yourinner child. Why? Because your
inner child is the most open.Your inner child always operates
from the heart.
So if we're over adulting, sothis child, the inner child,
there's feminine, that's yourvisionary. And there's
masculine, that's your tasker.Most of us, especially ambitious
(37:22):
women, are over ramping in themasculine tasker, completely not
listening to the inner child atall because they think it's
frivolity. And then we do dabblein the vision, but we get
ourselves we won't let ourvision go too big because it
might require too many tasks. Sowhat we want to try to do is
balance the child, the feminine,and the masculine.
(37:43):
And again, bigger daysconversation. But the best one
of the best ways for your higherself to get to you is to play.
To let yourself plant thatplant, bake that bread, get the
chicken, get the pig, whatever.And the last part the last part
of
Cathy Worthington (38:00):
the question was, how are we how are we
becoming aware of the falsemessages that we may receive?
Mariana Cooper (38:06):
Okay. So here's a couple of there's true
guidance versus false guide. Youknow, everybody when people ask
me one of the most popularquestions people ask me is,
well, how can I trust thisguidance that you're talking
about? How do I know if it'strue or if it's my anxiety? That
type of thing.
So true guide let me talk aboutwhat false guidance feels like.
(38:28):
So false guidance always happensoutside of the body. And it's
more like a cartoon caption. Solet's say you're afraid of
something, something going on inthe world, something you know?
So you go into the what ifs.
And the what if, you immediatelygo up here. Like, what if this?
And what if that? And what ifthis? And and then we start to
(38:49):
analyze.
And then we start to look forsubstantiation. We'll look at
those statistics. And and itspins and it goes fast and it
changes back and forth. That'swhen you know it's false
guidance. It's not connected.
True guidance is always in thebody, deep in the body, like
around your belly button. Sofalse guidance is gonna have you
(39:10):
focused outside of yourself andup. True guidance is gonna feel
down past that in in between Icall it the heart corridor from
your throat down to your bellybutton. That's the heart that's
your truth meter is from here tohere, your throat to your belly
button. So when you're saying,okay, is this true?
Like, did he just say to methis? Now, is that true? Is that
(39:32):
how does instead of saying, isthat yeah. I think so. Say, how
do I feel that feels good to me?
Or that doesn't feel good to meas opposed to I think it is or I
don't think. How does that feel?If somebody says, in my class I
always teach them, these are thewords you're allowed to say and
(39:54):
these are the words you're notallowed to say anymore. And that
makes sense, is going to tuneyou into three d. That feels
right or that feels like the theright direction, tunes you into
the five d.
So thinking is and decisivenessis three d oriented, and feeling
(40:20):
and knowing is five d oriented.
Merry Elkins (40:23):
Oh, that's that's really powerful. Is, is there a
step by step system in your fivedeal let me say that again. Five
d toolkit on how to access thefrequencies? Is that something
that I believe you might havetouched upon?
Mariana Cooper (40:44):
Yeah. So the book that I have is I actually
went I'm not sure where sooriginally, it was called the
five d toolkit, but I publishedit as beyond intuition. So so
you know. And so and and withinthe beyond intuition that we
talk about the five d toolkit.And so and tell me what the
question was again.
Merry Elkins (41:05):
I think you covered it talking about the
levels of the five d frequenciesand how to access them, and I
really think you covered it.
Mariana Cooper (41:14):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's all it's all in
there.
It's all step by step. Actually,in the book also, it gives you
step by step to get your firstfully downloaded message from
your higher self and a frequencyassessment. So you can kind of
see what you're already using,where you're at, and what you
might be missing so far. Oh,that sounds great.
Cathy Worthington (41:32):
And tell us about your high frequency Living
Academy and Advanced AlchemyMasterminds and how you've
helped people with those.
Mariana Cooper (41:42):
You guys are so generous. I appreciate you
asking these questions. Oh,thank you. So I have two things
going on. One is the HighFrequency Living Academy.
I really am a true my highestpassion and mission is to get
people as fluent in the languageof their higher self as they are
in their own intellectual self.And when you integrate the two,
(42:06):
that's when you have trulymagical living. That's when you
have the full breadth of accessto all the things that you came
here to do. And so I built theacademy around first part one is
just getting you connected tothe energetic communication
system and getting into beingable to perceive your higher
(42:28):
self and recognize when it'sthere and how to access it, and
then how to interpret themessages it sends, and how to
have the confidence to takeaction on those messages. Once
you get that connection withyour higher self, you now have a
narrator for your life.
You literally can say, What thehell was that? And then, Okay,
well, let's talk. And it cangive you that that stream of
(42:48):
consciousness to support you inthe various things that you're
going through in your life. Thenonce you take care of that, I
want you to get your stuff. Sothat's step two in the in the
academy, focus on manifesting.
That means you have to fill yourbucket list first. What happens
with a lot of light workers andpeople are interested in in
(43:08):
light leadership or in helpingother people is they first try
to go out and help each otherpeople before they're willing to
take to receive for themselves.It shouldn't it should be the
other way around. I want you tohave the tools to learn how to
manifest for yourself. We workon a 300 piece bucket list.
We write out 300 things on yourbucket list. Wow. And we focus
on the manifesting of the, youknow, the manifesting practices
(43:32):
in order to start to fill upyour coffers. And once you know
how to do that, then younaturally start to say, okay,
how am gonna serve? What what'swhat how can I support?
Something hits a chord, and yousay, oh, that. And that's when
(43:52):
we move from passion to mission.So your passion is your own for
your own personal discovery.Your passions, whether you you
know, can be anything fromknitting to skiing to riding
horses to barroom dancing tocooking to raising kids,
whatever. But your passion isreally your own personal
learning journey in in in somesort of incubator.
(44:14):
So it might be the incubator oftennis. And some days you're
really good at tennis, and somedays you suck at tennis, and
then you hurt your ankle, andyou have to heal, and you learn
about healing. You know? It's alearning capsule. The mission
though is different than apassion.
A mission is when it's aninvitation from your higher self
to be in partnership for thegreater good. So although I love
(44:39):
ballroom dancing, I didcompetitive ballroom dancing for
fifteen years. I flew all overthe world competing. I danced
with a lot of the stars onDancing With The Stars when they
were still competing themselves.I know a lot of them personally.
It was not my calling. It was mypassion.
Merry Elkins (44:57):
Mhmm.
Mariana Cooper (44:57):
It it it I could lose money. I could make money.
I could spend all kinds of moneyand never make it back. I could
fly all over the place. As hardas I work, I wasn't meant was
not my mission to be acompetitive bottom dancer.
Merry Elkins (45:12):
But they can interrupt. Can they not?
Mariana Cooper (45:15):
They can. However, a mission pulls out in
front of you and a mission isfueled by a different thing.
Because a mission now in apassion, you can fail. And it's
actually part of the package ofpassion because it's part of the
learning curve. In a mission,you can't because a mission is
built for the greater good.
A mission is also self financed.So a mission, you will have
(45:39):
money sent to you to get itdone. And that's where you start
to know, okay, this is somethingbigger. This has taken on a life
of you hear people say, this hastaken on a life of its own.
Like, this started off withsomething I thought was a
passion.
But what a lot of people do isthey try to take a passion or a
hobby and force it to be incomeproducing, and then they lose
money and they make money andthey you know, it kinda doesn't
go because it's not necessarilya mission. So your higher self,
(46:03):
when you're on to mission world,after you filled up your tank,
then it's like I always say, ifyou're gonna help other people,
it's like a a mug of beer. Youhelp them from the foam that's
coming over the side of theglass, not from what's in the
glass itself. You need to drinkwhat's in the glass itself, and
then the excess is what you haveas the surplus to go and present
(46:25):
to other people.
Merry Elkins (46:26):
I I
Cathy Worthington (46:26):
have oxygen mask on the plane.
Merry Elkins (46:29):
Yes. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. I I have to ask you,
though.
What about relationships? Whatif you see someone else's higher
self, but their three d that youyou feel and see doesn't relate
to the five d? What do you sayabout that? How do you get that
to work together?
Mariana Cooper (46:50):
So are you asking for for a relationship
that you're in, or are youasking for, like
Merry Elkins (46:55):
I'm just asking that because I see where people
can be really powerfully giftedwith a five d sensibility, and
yet they don't act that way inthe real world?
Mariana Cooper (47:11):
Well, there's a lot of different reasons. A good
chunk of that is because theyneed to do some clearing. So the
first thing I do when I bringpeople in, we all do a specific
clearing so that you can get ridof all of those old points of
reference, and then that givesyou new access without the kind
of the boulders in a way and allthe yeah, buts, what if, if
onlys, the worthiness stuff. Weneed to kinda get that out of
(47:33):
the way. When it comes torelationships, though, it's
interesting to watch otherpeople.
The more the best thing you cando, and this is part of
energetic infrastructure. Again,it's a bigger concept, but I'll
say it anyway. As you elevateyourself, everyone in your space
starts to elevate as well orthey drop away. Right? And it's
(47:54):
very interesting.
Like, my mom, she went to shewas, you know, third gen you
know, she was the secondgeneration intuitive and all of
that, but she rejected it atsome point. I think she got into
some really dark times in herlife. She said, okay,
something's not working. And shekind of went back into what I
call muggled up, you know, andjust kind of shut it down. And I
was like on a runaway train withthe spirituality and she's like,
(48:15):
you know, so she became quitecritical.
And, you know, for a while itreally stumped me. It was really
hurtful. It was hurtful, quitefrankly. It was created a lot of
friction. And she had all thesetalents and abilities.
She's a psychotherapist. Shecould channel her psychotherapy
sessions and often did. But I Istudied with a teacher and he
(48:36):
said, look, focus on elevatingyourself. And then your
frequency raises, yourattraction level raises, and
you'll attract the level ofperson that you are. So
everybody has versions ofthemselves.
And as I raise my vibration, asI learned more of this, by the
time my mom, you know, was inher later stages of life, She
(49:01):
did the same thing. It was likea totally different person. She
started meditating. She startedreading books. You know, I
helped a little bit, but Ididn't help that much.
But because I was elevating andI was focusing on myself, it was
a magnetic and this is howfrequency works. We magnetize
who we are. We can you know, weattract who we are and the
(49:22):
version of those people.Sometimes if you know, your
spouse will start it won't itwon't be right in sync. But as
you raise, you'll notice like onhis own or on her own, they're
there they start to raise ontheir own.
Other way other times, they'lldrop away and you'll be like,
well, okay. Right? It's justmeant to split. That was a
(49:44):
season. Frequency is a veryinteresting thing.
It's magnetic. And there's alldifferent versions of all of us.
So I think that you don't haveto worry about kind of fixing
other people or convincingsomeone that they need to do
this too. You never want toreally do that. You can
introduce it.
But the more you do it yourself,you become that magnet and they
(50:07):
start to it's it's stunning tosee how people start to behave
differently when you start toshift those inner Yeah.
Cathy Worthington (50:15):
And thank you for giving us several examples
of how to elevate the higherself. Because I would never have
thought of making soup to besomething one of those things.
So Yeah. In fact, can I wasgonna ask you what you would
like our audience to have as atakeaway today? Maybe you could
(50:38):
list some more things that theycan do to access their high our
higher selves or anything elseyou want us to take away.
It doesn't have to be that.
Mariana Cooper (50:52):
I think the thing that's most important to
remember, especially now when wehave such volatile times that
we're all going to. And I'vebeen doing a tremendous amount
of political conversations withall of this too that again,
another day's conversation wedon't have to do that now. The
most important thing you can doright now is to double down on
(51:13):
your dreams. Double down. Ifyou're in a business, it's time
to pivot.
You have to be willing to pivotand say, and this you don't have
to be fluent in the language ofyour heart self, but you just
say the sentences, show me whereI can best shine at this time.
(51:36):
Show me where I can best shineat this time. And you will be
supplied. This isn't lastingforever. This will take it's
gonna have its run.
But as far as light leaders areconcerned, like I have a new
light leaders council, and Ihave a membership group. High
(51:57):
Frequency Living With Marimembership. I I was just I have
an agent that I'm signed with inin LA. And he set me up for a
meeting with a publicist and shesaid, oh, well describe
yourself. I said, well, I'm kindof like Joanna Gaines and Joe
Dispenza had a baby.
That would be me. It's like thehigh frequency homestead. You
(52:18):
know? Like like, get with thechickens and the horses and the
dogs. But, you know, like, we'retalking to the higher self and,
you know?
And she said, oh my gosh. I getthat. I get that. So important
to be willing to hybridyourself, like hyphenate
yourself. Be willing to say,yeah, high frequency living and
(52:40):
farming at the same time.
That's me. Or you know, youcould be writing a book or
painting. Pull out your paintsagain. All the things that you
say, I'm gonna get to that. Ijust have to focus on this for
now.
Pull the I'm gonna get to thatones out. Because what that does
is without all this intellectualstuff that I'm talking about,
(53:01):
like all these how to's, itnaturally sticks you right into
that that arena of the field.
Merry Elkins (53:09):
Yeah.
Mariana Cooper (53:09):
It makes you available to those insights. It
lifts your optimism. You radiateout, and the best gift that you
can give anyone is your own joy.Because then you're an example
on a permission slip for whatthey can do for themselves.
Merry Elkins (53:29):
Oh, that's perfect. A perfect way
to end our
Mariana Cooper (53:31):
Thank
Merry Elkins (53:34):
you so much, Mari. Our guest today on Late Boomers
has been Mariana Cooper, a thirdgeneration intuitive life
strategist, radio host, founderof the High Frequency Living
Academy, and the AdvancedAlchemy Masterminds. She's the
author of the Factor and BeyondIntuition. And if you want to
(53:59):
reach Mariana, go to herwebsite,
beyondintuitionbook.com. Is thatright, Marty?
Mariana Cooper (54:07):
That's correct. That's right. Thank you
Cathy Worthington (54:09):
so much. She's got a lot of info on there
for you, so check it out. Andtune in next week when we'll be
meeting with publisher JohnBond. Please subscribe to our
late boomers podcast on YouTube.Take us along in the car and on
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Let us know what gets youinspired. We're on Instagram at
(54:30):
I am Kathy Worthington and at Iam Mary Elkins and at late
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to your friends who may not yetbe listening to podcasts. And
thanks so much again, Mari.
Mariana Cooper (54:46):
Thank you so much for having me. It's been so
much fun.
Cathy Worthington (54:49):
Such a pleasure. Thank you for joining
us on late boomers, the podcastthat is your guide to creating a
third act with style, power, andimpact. Please visit our website
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