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Could we live better if the damage from hidden stress that starts at birth was reversed? The evidence is proving yes, beyond what standard care has been able to achieve.New therapies are being combined with standard medicine to target the hidden effects of stress, resulting in success for thousands of heart patients. as described in the #1 Bestselller in five Amazon categories; Discovering the Nature of Longevity, and its Companion The Story of NanobacTX: How a medical maverick improved cardiovascular health.With a Foreword by one of America’s leading cardiologists, Discovering the Nature of Longevity describes how these aren’t cures, but are improving lives by reversing the damage. The stories are told in plain language, supported by more than 700 scientific citations. Author Douglas Mulhall vists with Mark Alyn.

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Late Night Health continues. I'm MarkAllen, along with the insane Darryl Wayne.
Be sure to join us at lateNight Health dot com and iHeartRadio.
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will find Late Night Health. I'msorry, what was that? Yes,

(00:33):
Um, we're gonna go to justoutside of Nova Scotia. I believe.
Um. The time differences is fourhours instead of East Coast three hours where
we have a lot of our guestsand our new friend Douglas Mouhall is on
our line. Doug Douglas, Welcometo Late Night Health. Mark. It's

(00:57):
great to be back. Nice tohear from you again. You've written a
book. It's just come out.You are number one on Amazon in a
number of categories. The name ofthe book Discovering the Nature of Longevity,
Restoring the Heart and body by targetinghidden stress. Can we really live to

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be one hundred and twenty? Well, we're already living to be one hundred
and twenty. That's not the problem. There are two issues around it.
The first one is how well welive to one hundred and twenty, But
the second one is regardless of whateveryone is doing so far, no one
has managed to break through the onehundred and twenty years ceiling. And you

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read lots of books promising how thistype of thing can be done by adjusting
telomeres and doing all kinds of otherfancy things. But the real question underneath
it is is there some type ofunderlying mechanism that really starts from birth that

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is affecting how long and well welive? And the answer that comes through
the scientists, doctors and patients whoselives are covered in this book is yes.
And the good news is that there'ssomething that can be done about it,
and that is being done about it. I know that you have said

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to me in previous conversations that deathbegins at birth. You're born, and
we know you're going to die atone point. That's correct, right,
yeah. In other words, fromthe moment you're born, a whole series

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of environmental stresses starts to attack yourbody. And for those who are thinking,
is this type of type of weirdthing, no, it's not weird
at all. These stresses just aren'tapparent until you're a lot older, because

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when you're younger, you don't noticethe damage your body is resisting them.
But unfortunately, a few things happenalso inside your body when you get around
the age of thirty that dramatically reducesyour capability to resist these things. And
we'll get to that in a moment. We've all heard the word genetics.

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We you know that. You know, if your father has blue eyes and
your mother has blue eyes, youwere going to have blue eyes. If
your mother has blue eyes and yourfather has brown eyes, you have a
good chance. According to um.I'm trying to think of the geneticist.

(03:52):
He was a monk in Poland,I believe, and you have a good
chance of having brown eyes. Butnow there's a new branch of genetics,
epigenetics, where you can change maybenot your eye color, but maybe things
like your heart condition, diabetes,being able to fight the genetic propensity to

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develop diabetes. Would you comment onthat, Yeah, sure, I actually
call this epic genetics because what's beingdiscovered is that this has actually a much
more significant impact than was ever dreamedof before than your actual genetic makeup.

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And for those in the audience,you've never heard of this before. In
simple terms, it's the on offswitch for your genes. So just because
you might be predisposed to for example, a risk of a certain cancer or
heart disease doesn't mean that you're goingto get it. What happens is it's
your environment that you're exposed to thedetermines whether or not that gene is actually

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going to be switched on. Andover the past fifteen years, many many,
many discoveries have found that this effect, this epigenetic effect, is actually
one of the key elements in howwe develop. And I can just give
you a really good example of onestudy that showed that if a grand parent

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before they become a grandparent, beforethey become a parent, is exposed to
the old original pesticide called DDT,which has since been banned, but there's
still people alive who were exposed toit, and there's still countries that are
still using it. There is stillbeing illegally used as well. Yes,

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in those cases, the parent actuallypasses on a epigenetic effect to their offspring
that is then passed on to thoseparents offspring. So it's the grandchildren and
they have a higher risk of developingdiabetes. So they think about that for

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a moment. You're exposed to DDT, and then you have kids, and
your kids have kids, those kidshave got a higher chance of developing diabetes
than other people. So you cansee from that example how number one it
jumps across generations. Number two itcan also happen tomorrow. So there's different

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types of these epic genetic effects.But it's all about changing how your genes
interpret your DNA without changing the DNAitself, which makes it very different from
all these Frankenstein genetics that we hearabout. You know, where you're you're

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actually changing the biochemical makeup of theDNA itself and snipping things out and putting
things in. This doesn't do thatat all. And because of that,
when you start talking about how tofix things, it's a lot safer.
It's guess what your mistakes are.Reversible epic genetics effects can be reversed,

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So there's this is really an encouragingdevelopment. One of the things that just
pumped into my mind is, andwe talk about genetically modified organisms all the
time. We know that, youknow, I know that your wife Cocher,
who's been on Our Sisters show MarkAllen Cooks and we'll be on in

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a couple of weeks again. Theywe've talked about eating clean, no animal
products and no genetically modified organisms.You know, frankenfish, they're they're gonna
start selling frankenfish or genetically modified salmonat one point, um am, I

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correct in in that analogy. Well, let's just take one example, because
otherwise people get a bit, youknow, scared to start sort of going
down the long list of things.But I want to take an example of
what this concretely means for people inrelation to diet, that's for sure,

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but also in relation to damage that'sdone and how diet can only do so
much. But seeing as you're talkingabout diet, let's just talk about that
for a moment. So the problemwith a lot of non organic foods is
that they just have higher levels ofheavy metals in them. When I say

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heavy metals, I mean things likelead, chromium, cadmium, um and
you know a lot of these thingsare used in daily products. They were
used in leaded gasoline many years ago, and um so in uh, in
organic foods, you tend to havea much lower level and as a result,

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a much lower epigenetic exposure to thosekinds of triggers. Now I'm going
to tell you what we're gonna do, Douglas. We're gonna take time out,
and when we come back, I'mgoing to have you continue because this
is fascinating. We talk about geneticgenetically modified foods and I I don't like

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them and for a number of reasons, including having a pesticide put in many
of the foodstuffs. Um uh,you know that again can harm people and
their kids and their kids and dkids. We're going to take time out.
We're going to turn it over tothe insane Darrow Wayne as Late Night

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discuss longevity discovering the nature of longevitywith our guest Douglas Muhaul Douglas. We
were talking about the environment and heavymetals just before we took our break.

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Do we still have exposure to thesethings today? Oh, Mark, we
have huge exposure, but we've hadit ever since humans have walked the earth.
Heavy metals have been occurring naturally everywherein our environment and our water,
our drinking water. They occur everywhere. Of course, we made them worse
with our industrial society, there's noquestion about that. So yes, and

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they build up there. It's calledbioaccumulation. So they build up in your
tissue over time, and you don'treally start to notice that. And most
people, except you know, peoplewith autoimmune disease, start to notice it
a lot sooner. But in mostpeople, you don't start to notice it,
you know, until until you're older. But what I really want to
do here is to give you inthe time we have left a really scintillating

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example of why this is so important. This is the result of a clinical
trial that was financed by the NationalInstitute of Health and was organized out of
Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.So the credentials are impeccable. And this
has all been published, and thereis a substudy out of that that I'm

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going to talk about in a minute. But what was really interesting about this
study was that, first of all, the main study cut down the risk
of all causes of death or diabeticswith heart disease by forty two. Now,
if you were a pharmac company andyou got that kind of result,

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you would be ecstatic. Okay.So that was in twenty seventeen those results
were known, which you've got toask, Okay, why aren't we all
talking about this today? But here'sthe interesting thing. In those patients and
in the patients in the subsequent muchsmaller study, large amounts of heavy metals

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came out of these patients. Andthose heavy metals did not show up in
the blood tests. Why they didn'tshow up in the blood test because the
heavy metals are lodged in your tissue, so if you do a blood test,
it's just simply not going to show. And when they gave this therapy
to the patients, the therapy suckedthe metals out of the tissue. And

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these metals came out week after weekafter week with these these infusions. Now,
what was the concrete result of that, aside from this excuse me,
Douglas, is that because they werethey were peat out and that's how they
could constrect. It came out intheir urine. That's correct, That's exactly
what happened. And so in twentyseventeen, doctor have Assio Lamas, who's

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the chairman of Cardiovascular Health at ColumbiaUniversity and at Mount Sinai had ten patients
with peripheral artery disease, which iswhen the blood flow to your legs gets
cut off because the arteries get blocked. Okay, these patients were all facing

(17:21):
amputation within two weeks, all right, Now, that's the only course of
treatment for these patients. They've alreadygone through replacing their blood vessels. That
failed. It didn't work. Sotwenty five percent of all amputees die within
the first year. So it's notreally a great track record, and not
to mention it ruins your quality oflife. Lamas saw this, he saw

(17:42):
the results of the clinical trial thathe'd organized, and he decided, Okay,
I'm going to try this with thesepatients. So long story short.
Forty weeks later, seven out often of the patients, seven patients completed
the study. In ten optote forvarious reasons. But all seven of the

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patients who completed the study were walkingaround, as doctor Lama says, in
two shoes, not one, sothat the lesions were gone on their feet,
the blood flow was restored, andthere was a whole bunch of heavy
metals coming out of these patients.That's epigenetic effect. That is why heavy

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metals are so important. All ofthis is published in peer view journals,
and the reason we're doing this showtogether is because people haven't heard of this.
Why it's not their doctor's fault.The problem is the medical system is
not set up to either diagnose ortreat these things. So the status quo

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doesn't want to hear about this.It's not a conspiracy, it's just the
way that the system. Let meinterrupt you is this bottom line dollars and
cents. It's easy to blame aimon just dollars and cents, but it's
really a combination of things we haven'tyou know, this isn't the way we
normally do things. Oh no,the studies don't really show that. That

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comes from people who are quoting studiesthat are fifteen years old and usually are
not up to date. So inthe book, what I do is I
describe the many reasons why people stilldon't have access to this information, and
that's why I wrote the book.And obviously so there you go. Well,

(19:29):
this is this is functional medicine.That's the new term for alternative medicine
is functional medicine. Medicine that actuallyworks. Why don't more doctors understand this
and know this? I mean,first of all, it would simplify their

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their practice, especially those who arewho work with older people who have diabetes.
The label alternative medicine gets slapped onthis stuff. But the question I
ask is seems to me as thougha lot of traditional cardiologists are using this,
And for example, there's another productcalled nanobac tx that has been used,

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for example, in a observational clinicalstudy by the vice president of the
Florida chapter of the American Heart Association, and his patients started to show reductions
in their calcium scores. So thisis this is a conventional cardiologist trying a

(20:32):
new therapy that someone has slapped thename alternative on, But in actual effect,
it's just, you know, it'sanother therapy. It just happens to
target something that the standard therapies don'ttarget. And that's the way I like
to characterize it. The standard systemof care is not designed to focus on

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these things. So this is aquestion of design, it's not a question
of intent. Is this similar inCanada and the US where doctors treat symptoms
and not the cost. Yeah,it's the same thing in Europe. But
I have to say this, itis changing. You know, these therapies

(21:15):
are available almost everywhere you know.You can order Nuto back TX by mail.
You can go into several clinics aroundthe United States for the infusion therapy,
so it's not like it's not available. Some of it isn't covered by
insurance. And people say, oh, well it's too expensive, then well
expensive compared to dying. I don'tthink so. And besides that, people

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when they look at comparative costs don'tconsider all the hidden costs that are available
with standard therapy that they never hearabout from their insurers until they end up
paying it out of pocket. Andthose costs can exceed the original cost of
your insurance policy itself. So youneed to really be careful about this.
And Mark, I just have tofinish by saying, I'm not a physician,

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so this is not medical advice thatI'm giving. All I'm doing is
telling the stories of the innovators andthe patients and the doctors who are actually
doing this. The book is anobservational book, and it's up to people
to make up their own minds withtheir own physicians and Douglas. I guess
your background is writing about science.Yes, but I've also spent the past

(22:23):
thirty years developing healthy products, soI'm pretty familiar with the whole heavy metal
issue. In fact, we havespent the past thirty years getting heavy metals
out of these products. That's myexpertise. Gotcha, Douglas. Thank you.
I look forward to more conversations because, frankly, I think that people
over fifty start thinking, I wantto wake up and know that I'm Mark

(22:45):
or Dryl or Douglas, and notwake up and wonder where they are,
who they are, and be ableto move under their own power and not
need either help or a walker orwhatever. It's just something that I think
most people start thinking about. Andwith the idea of I mean heart disease

(23:11):
and stroke, I think you knowthat scares people. So products like nanobach
TX that you just mentioned seem tobe a good way of of going yeah,
And I'm not I'm not paid topromote any of these therapies either.
And you're quite right, Mark,stay tuned because there's lots more. You

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know, what's the biggest space inyour body that people have never heard of?
What are the trillions of little blobsinside you that we are going to
cover. Those are going to doall of that stuff. Hold on,
Douglas, listen, We're at atime. I'm Mark Allen as always,
thank you very much, Darryl Wayne, my pleasures always, and thank you
for tuning in. Have a goodweek everybody, most importantly, have a

(23:56):
healthy week. We'll see you nexttime. Bye bye for
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