January 29, 2025 • 25 mins
Exploring Humanity’s Future Through Fiction: Richard M. Anderson’s Outbound Islands in the Void on Late Night Health Richard M. Anderson’s Outbound Islands in the Void blends gripping storytelling with a powerful message about humanity’s environmental and social challenges. Dedicated to his family and future generations, the book examines the legacy we are leaving behind and imagines alternative paths to sustainability and survival.Inspired by NASA’s studies on solar system resources, Anderson envisions space colonies capable of supporting life and addressing Earth’s resource depletion. However, he doesn’t shy away from the difficulties of creating self-sustaining societies in space, from harsh environments to the essential need for social and cultural structures. Richard visits with Mark Alyn on this episode of Late Night Health.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Late Night Health continues. I'm Mark Allen along with the
insane Daryl Wayne. We're going to continue with fiction books
during the next part of our show. But this is
one of my favorite, if not my favorite, genre of
personal reading. I mean, I read a lot of books
(00:29):
on health and alternative health and supplements, but that's during
nine to five. When I'm in on my time, I
read science fiction. I cannot wait to get into this
book Outbound Islands in the Void by Richard M. Anderson,
(00:52):
who just so happens to be at the other end
of our line. Richard, Welcome to Late Night Help.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh thank you being here.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I've got to read the dedication. It says for my
wife Carol, who tolerates the time I spend at the
computer secluded in the den and loves me for it.
And to our extended family who will inherit this earth
in whatever form we leave it in. Is this a
(01:22):
kind of a warning, would you say, I?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I would think so, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Unfortunately, I look at my grandkids and I think what
are we leaving them? And they're pretty much aware of
the issues of today the environment, and a lot of
them are pretty pissed off about it. So I can
understand that, and I can sympathize, and so I do
(01:52):
dedicate it to them.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're a scientist, you have a master's degree in microbiology.
I belie leave yes, and there's a subspecialty that I
that's over my pay grade. So we'll just stay with
microbiology as a scientist and somebody who can understand the
(02:15):
intricacies of the earth. Are we in trouble?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We have been, probably since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution,
and it comes from our technology, but it also comes
from our economic system, which which is responsible for adding
lead to gasoline, for example, and which required a huge
(02:47):
effort by an individual that I described in my first book,
nonfiction science book, took them twenty or thirty years before
Congress testifying the well, we finally removed lead from most gasoline,
not all and not exactly worldwide, but it made a
big impact and reducing lead levels in the environment. Tobacco
(03:12):
industry the same problem. Now we have the oil industry
trying to fight, you know, trying to fight renewable energy
sources while they're investing in that, but in the interim,
there's a lot of oil in the ground. There's a
(03:33):
lot of profit to be made. So we have a
profit driven economy, which is not usually in the people's interests.
If you look at, for example, the science of food
technology or crop development, and GMOs has a huge potential
to do good for humankind. And they have done something.
(03:57):
They created something called golden rice which replaces it's a
genetically genetically engineered rice that replaces our ads some nutrients
that are lacking some critical nutrients. And since a.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Lot of the but I hear a butt coming, Yeah,
I have. We talk about GMOs a lot, and I'm
not I'm convinced that they're not necessarily good. I'm not
a scientist.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well they're not. The way they're you know, whose interests
are they serving, And they're serving big agg and the
food industry. So they're they're looking at the bottom line,
how can we make the most profit, not how can
we develop the most healthful foods that are that are
the least destructive to our environment to produce. That's not
(04:48):
what they're looking at. So they create crops that are
genetically engineered to either produce pesticides and fungicides or to
be resistant to them, so the farmer can spray very
heavily killing organisms in the soil and doing a lot
of environmental damage.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And some of the genetically modified seeds have chemicals in
it already.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That are pesticides.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And there's millions, if not billions of dollars of lawsuits
against Bayer because they now own round Up the chemicals
in round Up. It is outbound Islands in the Void,
(05:41):
a call for help.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It is what triggered my interest in writing Outbound Wells.
First of all, was my first book ended with space
colonies because I was doing an evolution book and spending
fourteen point eight billion years, but I lost my point
(06:07):
of thought there. What triggered the book, oh, a study
by NASA and ongoing studies, But it began in the
sixties and seventies where they where they wanted to determine
the resources in our solar system, for example, what is
in the asteroid belt?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
What what.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Materials are there that could be used? And so they
concluded that there was a ton of stuff out there
that could be used to develop civilization in space are
could be used on Earth. So we know that mining operations,
and you know, especially pit mining for for lithium and
other rare earth compounds is very damaging to the environment.
(06:53):
You could resource all those things from the asteroid belt,
from Mars, from the Moon, but you would need a
society in space to do so. You'd have to you
can't launch a lot of the heavyweight stuff into space
from Earth. It's just not doable. But you would you
(07:13):
go only after it was established. It's a very hostile environment.
It would be very difficult to begin with. And I
and I do point that out with a with an
island that was you know, created orbiting cirrus out in
the asteroid belt, and and those scientists and engineers are
(07:37):
out there to harvest, collect and harvest asteroids, process them
and send them in to close Earth orbit where they
can be further process and sent to Earth. But their
environment is is borderline, it's really tough. And so then
that evolves through through the book where they may is
(08:00):
to improve things, and you bring in social a lot
of social support, you know, because we don't think about
that with astronauts. We need we need a biological environment
that will sustain humans. We also need a social environment
with with all that, all the components of that requires
(08:21):
you know, the arts, the culinary arts, you know, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yes, exactly, we do need to eat and we don't
want to just deep processed food four times a day,
because I mean, you know, the same thing. But in
science fiction where they take it, you can need a
pill and get all the nutrients you you get eating.
As we've said on the show numerous times and in
(08:49):
our our our sister program marks Mark Allen's culinary Adventures,
that eating is pleasurable period, end of story.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Absolutely, So I do bring that into the story quite
a bit. And so the second wave of populace that
comes to these islands would be psychiatrists, sociologists, you know,
and then follow the arts, the culinary arts, the entertainment arts,
and so forth to support the society.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And we're going to take a time out, okay, and
when we come back, let's pick up on that. And
let's also talk about because it's in the book in
outbound government corruption and maybe even corporate corruption. Going back
to what you said, you know, prophet is king and
nothing else matters. So we're going to explore that because
(09:44):
I think science fiction has always been at the forefront
of change, asthmav Heinland all these other great science fiction
writers have always been at the forefront of social change.
I'm Mark Allen along with the insane Daryl Wayne. This
(10:05):
is Late Night Help. Be sure to join us at
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I'm Mark Allen, along with the Insandaro Wayne, our guest,
(14:21):
is the author of Outbound Islands in the Void. His
other book, Your other book was The Evolution of Life,
Big Bang to space Colonies. We're going to have space
colonies just well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I'm a I probably shouldn't have used the
word colonies because that implies government from Earth based government,
and these are colonies of whatever on Earth, and that
wouldn't work, and you couldn't you couldn't send police, police
or military easily up to these colonies to enforce your will.
(15:03):
So there are space habitats and I develop a whole
separate civilization. It's independent of Earth, in support of Earth
and and all of that, but self governing. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I am one of my favorite stories high Robot Bye Bye,
and there's a whole series by Asthma, and he said
they send a robot policeman up right up to the
colonies to solve murders. Well, in in Outbound you talk
(15:41):
about government, some government corruption, and during our break you
were saying, it's it's it's more of what our society is.
I guess we have the haves and the have nots,
and and and the people in mid in the middle.
(16:02):
There are less and less of us there as time
goes on.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yes, I would put it as corporate corporate corruption, except
it's acceptable because it's called the capitalism. So you have
investors in the stock market, of which I'm one, and
I benefit from that. But you have companies that are quasi.
Lets take a quasi a public company like Pacific Gas
(16:32):
and Electric, so they're supposed to be providing service and
safety to the public in California and Northern California. They
also have stockholders or shareholders that they're accountable to, and
those shareholders are interested in profit. So how do you
(16:52):
generate profit. You can cut back on service, you can
cut back on safety, you can do a number of
things to generate rate more cash or money to the
bottom line, which will benefit the investors. So that the
service of the industry is not to the public of California,
it's to the shareholders. So that model, you can extrapolate
(17:16):
that to any industry, the tobacco industry, the oil industry.
That model is what is flawed and it wouldn't work
in a space settlement situation. You have to have companies
and talent directed to the benefit of people, not to
the benefit of investors. So we've seen a number of
(17:38):
tragedies with specific gas and Electric company which has been convicted.
You know, after all, the Supreme Court has determined that
the corporations are individuals. So this corporation has a criminal conviction. Unfortunately,
it can't serve time in prison. But right, but years ago,
(18:01):
what they started was they started laying off all their
linemen and the people who cut trees back and keep
a vegetation away from the high tension lines that happened
back in the seventies. It started happening back there back then.
So there was a portion of their budget that was
(18:22):
allotted for maintenance. They reduced that maintenance requirement and that
went to the bottom line. So there's an example of
how corporations corrupt corrupt government because now they generate a
lot of profit and the government is supposed to be
(18:43):
protecting the public. So they have to pay off individuals
in the government to vote for their interest rather than
the interests of their constituents. So I wouldn't say it's
political corruption, it's corporate corruption.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But one of the things that bothers me about the
oil companies, and you've mentioned that a number of times,
is that they've rebranded themselves as energy companies. I am
convinced that at one point, when you have a solar
panel on your house, that they are going to figure
(19:20):
out how to charge you for that energy, because it's
I don't know, mobile energy has provided the solar panels.
I don't think they should be allowed. I think, all right,
you're in oil, you stay in oil, because if you
(19:41):
do anything above that, you're going to rip off millions
of people more.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, this has been a battle in California, as you know. Yeah,
so I have solar panels, and I have a contract
to be weimbursed a certain amount of money for the
power that goes to the grid. Those that came after
me don't get that same reimbursement. So it doesn't make
(20:11):
sense to install solar because you're still paying a high
electric WOK unless you put in battery backup, in which
case you sequester a lot of that energy from PGEN
and so that you're not buying as much power from them.
So that's the kind of the response to that. But unfortunately,
(20:34):
they have a lot of power and they have lobbies
with the PUC which pretty much gives them all these
rate increases that are the.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And the insurance. I have a problem with the Insurance
Commission because they have no t you know, they can't.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And there's there's another big and unfortunately this is that
was unintended consequences and it has plays right into the
fires in southern California. And my of course that's happened
many many decades ago.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But my.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Response is, first of all, those houses should never have
been allowed to encroach on that natural habitat. Yeah, and
they were inappropriately done because there's not egress and you know,
you can't get in and out of there and mass
so people were abandoning their cars because they can't. They
walked out. Terrible situation. So that development in those areas
(21:44):
and Paradise and are on the California as well was
encouraged by a California politics getting into the insurance and
industry and saying, you cannot really charge rates based on risk.
You're going to have to spread that risk over the
full base of your customers. And so they since subsidized
(22:09):
and encouraged development in these areas that are environmentally sensitive
and hard to protect from.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We were talking about technology earlier. It's beyond all of us,
the especially cell phones, because they change it every other day.
Richard in Outbound, what would you say is the lesson
that a reader will pick up from this? I mean,
(22:42):
obviously to me, in what I've read so far, it's
it's entertainment, but there's a hidden I don't even know
if it's that hidden. There's a message there absolutely. Well,
First of all, if your story is an interesting you
know who's going to If it's a textbook, you know
(23:04):
you can put out the same information but nobody's going
to read it, so it has to be entertaining, and
you have to interject a lot of you know, tricks
that you use in fiction to people that keep people engaged,
humor and suspense and action and all of those things.
(23:24):
So and it's also very This book is very broad
because it covers activities and problems on Earth and and
then it goes into space and what's going on there
in different areas. My follow up book, which will be
coming out in the spring, is called Outbound Becoming Meta Mars,
(23:46):
and there I focus on Mars and develop because a
lot of must thinks it can go up.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
There and build a civilization.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I would go to Mars, okay, However, I do get
nauseous on a boat, so I don't know if i'd
be a great astronaut. We are at a time, Richard,
when the new book comes out, I'd love to have
you come back because I have a feeling it'll have
more of a message. You've got to pick this book up.
(24:20):
It's called Outbound Islands in the Void, and I can't
wait for this weekend because I'm going to read it.
It's important. It's an important, important book because of the
story Richard, thank you very much. I appreciate it. As
(24:41):
I said, we're out of time, so I've got to
turn this over to Darrel. I'm Mark Allen for the Insane, Daryl, Wayne,
have a great week, everybody, and most importantly, have a
healthy week, including health for the planet. We'll see it
next time. I buy for now.
Late Night Health continues. I'm Mark Allen along with the
insane Daryl Wayne. We're going to continue with fiction books
during the next part of our show. But this is
one of my favorite, if not my favorite, genre of
personal reading. I mean, I read a lot of books
(00:29):
on health and alternative health and supplements, but that's during
nine to five. When I'm in on my time, I
read science fiction. I cannot wait to get into this
book Outbound Islands in the Void by Richard M. Anderson,
(00:52):
who just so happens to be at the other end
of our line. Richard, Welcome to Late Night Help.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh thank you being here.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I've got to read the dedication. It says for my
wife Carol, who tolerates the time I spend at the
computer secluded in the den and loves me for it.
And to our extended family who will inherit this earth
in whatever form we leave it in. Is this a
(01:22):
kind of a warning, would you say, I?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I would think so, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Unfortunately, I look at my grandkids and I think what
are we leaving them? And they're pretty much aware of
the issues of today the environment, and a lot of
them are pretty pissed off about it. So I can
understand that, and I can sympathize, and so I do
(01:52):
dedicate it to them.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're a scientist, you have a master's degree in microbiology.
I belie leave yes, and there's a subspecialty that I
that's over my pay grade. So we'll just stay with
microbiology as a scientist and somebody who can understand the
(02:15):
intricacies of the earth. Are we in trouble?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We have been, probably since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution,
and it comes from our technology, but it also comes
from our economic system, which which is responsible for adding
lead to gasoline, for example, and which required a huge
(02:47):
effort by an individual that I described in my first book,
nonfiction science book, took them twenty or thirty years before
Congress testifying the well, we finally removed lead from most gasoline,
not all and not exactly worldwide, but it made a
big impact and reducing lead levels in the environment. Tobacco
(03:12):
industry the same problem. Now we have the oil industry
trying to fight, you know, trying to fight renewable energy
sources while they're investing in that, but in the interim,
there's a lot of oil in the ground. There's a
(03:33):
lot of profit to be made. So we have a
profit driven economy, which is not usually in the people's interests.
If you look at, for example, the science of food
technology or crop development, and GMOs has a huge potential
to do good for humankind. And they have done something.
(03:57):
They created something called golden rice which replaces it's a
genetically genetically engineered rice that replaces our ads some nutrients
that are lacking some critical nutrients. And since a.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Lot of the but I hear a butt coming, Yeah,
I have. We talk about GMOs a lot, and I'm
not I'm convinced that they're not necessarily good. I'm not
a scientist.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well they're not. The way they're you know, whose interests
are they serving, And they're serving big agg and the
food industry. So they're they're looking at the bottom line,
how can we make the most profit, not how can
we develop the most healthful foods that are that are
the least destructive to our environment to produce. That's not
(04:48):
what they're looking at. So they create crops that are
genetically engineered to either produce pesticides and fungicides or to
be resistant to them, so the farmer can spray very
heavily killing organisms in the soil and doing a lot
of environmental damage.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And some of the genetically modified seeds have chemicals in
it already.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That are pesticides.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And there's millions, if not billions of dollars of lawsuits
against Bayer because they now own round Up the chemicals
in round Up. It is outbound Islands in the Void,
(05:41):
a call for help.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It is what triggered my interest in writing Outbound Wells.
First of all, was my first book ended with space
colonies because I was doing an evolution book and spending
fourteen point eight billion years, but I lost my point
(06:07):
of thought there. What triggered the book, oh, a study
by NASA and ongoing studies, But it began in the
sixties and seventies where they where they wanted to determine
the resources in our solar system, for example, what is
in the asteroid belt?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
What what.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Materials are there that could be used? And so they
concluded that there was a ton of stuff out there
that could be used to develop civilization in space are
could be used on Earth. So we know that mining operations,
and you know, especially pit mining for for lithium and
other rare earth compounds is very damaging to the environment.
(06:53):
You could resource all those things from the asteroid belt,
from Mars, from the Moon, but you would need a
society in space to do so. You'd have to you
can't launch a lot of the heavyweight stuff into space
from Earth. It's just not doable. But you would you
(07:13):
go only after it was established. It's a very hostile environment.
It would be very difficult to begin with. And I
and I do point that out with a with an
island that was you know, created orbiting cirrus out in
the asteroid belt, and and those scientists and engineers are
(07:37):
out there to harvest, collect and harvest asteroids, process them
and send them in to close Earth orbit where they
can be further process and sent to Earth. But their
environment is is borderline, it's really tough. And so then
that evolves through through the book where they may is
(08:00):
to improve things, and you bring in social a lot
of social support, you know, because we don't think about
that with astronauts. We need we need a biological environment
that will sustain humans. We also need a social environment
with with all that, all the components of that requires
(08:21):
you know, the arts, the culinary arts, you know, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yes, exactly, we do need to eat and we don't
want to just deep processed food four times a day,
because I mean, you know, the same thing. But in
science fiction where they take it, you can need a
pill and get all the nutrients you you get eating.
As we've said on the show numerous times and in
(08:49):
our our our sister program marks Mark Allen's culinary Adventures,
that eating is pleasurable period, end of story.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Absolutely, So I do bring that into the story quite
a bit. And so the second wave of populace that
comes to these islands would be psychiatrists, sociologists, you know,
and then follow the arts, the culinary arts, the entertainment arts,
and so forth to support the society.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And we're going to take a time out, okay, and
when we come back, let's pick up on that. And
let's also talk about because it's in the book in
outbound government corruption and maybe even corporate corruption. Going back
to what you said, you know, prophet is king and
nothing else matters. So we're going to explore that because
(09:44):
I think science fiction has always been at the forefront
of change, asthmav Heinland all these other great science fiction
writers have always been at the forefront of social change.
I'm Mark Allen along with the insane Daryl Wayne. This
(10:05):
is Late Night Help. Be sure to join us at
Latenighthealth dot com. We'll have information about how you can
get hold of Richard Anderson's books on Late Night Health.
All right, don't go away. More coming up as the
Late Night Health continues. Late Night Help is proud of
(10:28):
our partnership with the EBC, the Evolutionary Business Council. Check
them out at Ebcouncil dot com.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You're listening to Late Night Health with Mark Allen. The
show continues in a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Recently I met Jacqueline from Bright Here in Los Angeles.
She gave me a hearing examine, then showed me how
to hear again with the new Signia of Pure Series
hearing aids, and she can give you your life back too.
I hear birds chirping, birds cooing, and even my wife.
They easily connect to my smartphone. The Signey hearing aids
are amazing and with the charge and go, I don't
(11:08):
have to fiddle with batteries and here all day long.
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is the author of Outbound Islands in the Void. His
other book, Your other book was The Evolution of Life,
Big Bang to space Colonies. We're going to have space
colonies just well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I'm a I probably shouldn't have used the
word colonies because that implies government from Earth based government,
and these are colonies of whatever on Earth, and that
wouldn't work, and you couldn't you couldn't send police, police
or military easily up to these colonies to enforce your will.
(15:03):
So there are space habitats and I develop a whole
separate civilization. It's independent of Earth, in support of Earth
and and all of that, but self governing. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I am one of my favorite stories high Robot Bye Bye,
and there's a whole series by Asthma, and he said
they send a robot policeman up right up to the
colonies to solve murders. Well, in in Outbound you talk
(15:41):
about government, some government corruption, and during our break you
were saying, it's it's it's more of what our society is.
I guess we have the haves and the have nots,
and and and the people in mid in the middle.
(16:02):
There are less and less of us there as time
goes on.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yes, I would put it as corporate corporate corruption, except
it's acceptable because it's called the capitalism. So you have
investors in the stock market, of which I'm one, and
I benefit from that. But you have companies that are quasi.
Lets take a quasi a public company like Pacific Gas
(16:32):
and Electric, so they're supposed to be providing service and
safety to the public in California and Northern California. They
also have stockholders or shareholders that they're accountable to, and
those shareholders are interested in profit. So how do you
(16:52):
generate profit. You can cut back on service, you can
cut back on safety, you can do a number of
things to generate rate more cash or money to the
bottom line, which will benefit the investors. So that the
service of the industry is not to the public of California,
it's to the shareholders. So that model, you can extrapolate
(17:16):
that to any industry, the tobacco industry, the oil industry.
That model is what is flawed and it wouldn't work
in a space settlement situation. You have to have companies
and talent directed to the benefit of people, not to
the benefit of investors. So we've seen a number of
(17:38):
tragedies with specific gas and Electric company which has been convicted.
You know, after all, the Supreme Court has determined that
the corporations are individuals. So this corporation has a criminal conviction. Unfortunately,
it can't serve time in prison. But right, but years ago,
(18:01):
what they started was they started laying off all their
linemen and the people who cut trees back and keep
a vegetation away from the high tension lines that happened
back in the seventies. It started happening back there back then.
So there was a portion of their budget that was
(18:22):
allotted for maintenance. They reduced that maintenance requirement and that
went to the bottom line. So there's an example of
how corporations corrupt corrupt government because now they generate a
lot of profit and the government is supposed to be
(18:43):
protecting the public. So they have to pay off individuals
in the government to vote for their interest rather than
the interests of their constituents. So I wouldn't say it's
political corruption, it's corporate corruption.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But one of the things that bothers me about the
oil companies, and you've mentioned that a number of times,
is that they've rebranded themselves as energy companies. I am
convinced that at one point, when you have a solar
panel on your house, that they are going to figure
(19:20):
out how to charge you for that energy, because it's
I don't know, mobile energy has provided the solar panels.
I don't think they should be allowed. I think, all right,
you're in oil, you stay in oil, because if you
(19:41):
do anything above that, you're going to rip off millions
of people more.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, this has been a battle in California, as you know. Yeah,
so I have solar panels, and I have a contract
to be weimbursed a certain amount of money for the
power that goes to the grid. Those that came after
me don't get that same reimbursement. So it doesn't make
(20:11):
sense to install solar because you're still paying a high
electric WOK unless you put in battery backup, in which
case you sequester a lot of that energy from PGEN
and so that you're not buying as much power from them.
So that's the kind of the response to that. But unfortunately,
(20:34):
they have a lot of power and they have lobbies
with the PUC which pretty much gives them all these
rate increases that are the.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And the insurance. I have a problem with the Insurance
Commission because they have no t you know, they can't.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And there's there's another big and unfortunately this is that
was unintended consequences and it has plays right into the
fires in southern California. And my of course that's happened
many many decades ago.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But my.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Response is, first of all, those houses should never have
been allowed to encroach on that natural habitat. Yeah, and
they were inappropriately done because there's not egress and you know,
you can't get in and out of there and mass
so people were abandoning their cars because they can't. They
walked out. Terrible situation. So that development in those areas
(21:44):
and Paradise and are on the California as well was
encouraged by a California politics getting into the insurance and
industry and saying, you cannot really charge rates based on risk.
You're going to have to spread that risk over the
full base of your customers. And so they since subsidized
(22:09):
and encouraged development in these areas that are environmentally sensitive
and hard to protect from.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We were talking about technology earlier. It's beyond all of us,
the especially cell phones, because they change it every other day.
Richard in Outbound, what would you say is the lesson
that a reader will pick up from this? I mean,
(22:42):
obviously to me, in what I've read so far, it's
it's entertainment, but there's a hidden I don't even know
if it's that hidden. There's a message there absolutely. Well,
First of all, if your story is an interesting you
know who's going to If it's a textbook, you know
(23:04):
you can put out the same information but nobody's going
to read it, so it has to be entertaining, and
you have to interject a lot of you know, tricks
that you use in fiction to people that keep people engaged,
humor and suspense and action and all of those things.
(23:24):
So and it's also very This book is very broad
because it covers activities and problems on Earth and and
then it goes into space and what's going on there
in different areas. My follow up book, which will be
coming out in the spring, is called Outbound Becoming Meta Mars,
(23:46):
and there I focus on Mars and develop because a
lot of must thinks it can go up.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
There and build a civilization.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I would go to Mars, okay, However, I do get
nauseous on a boat, so I don't know if i'd
be a great astronaut. We are at a time, Richard,
when the new book comes out, I'd love to have
you come back because I have a feeling it'll have
more of a message. You've got to pick this book up.
(24:20):
It's called Outbound Islands in the Void, and I can't
wait for this weekend because I'm going to read it.
It's important. It's an important, important book because of the
story Richard, thank you very much. I appreciate it. As
(24:41):
I said, we're out of time, so I've got to
turn this over to Darrel. I'm Mark Allen for the Insane, Daryl, Wayne,
have a great week, everybody, and most importantly, have a
healthy week, including health for the planet. We'll see it
next time. I buy for now.
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