May 29, 2023 • 24 mins
Here’s a way you can jumpstart a good mood for Mental Health Awareness Month: By immersing yourself in Van Gogh: The Immersive Experience (open in major cities throughout the country), which features some of the artist’s most famous spring paintings like Almond Blossoms, Fishing in Spring, and other iconic paintings like flowering orchard, sunflowers and irises. Changing your mindset and environment can help, and ironically from an artist who suffered severe undiagnosed mental problems before taking his own life. John Zaller shares the history of mental health problems Van Gogh endured throughout his career, including his lifestyle choices that contributed to these, as well as his enormous willpower, resilience and perseverance traits that propelled him to keep on painting, even during the most difficult periods in his life. John Zaller, Executive Producer, Exhibition Hub visits with Mark Alyn on this episode of Late Night Health.
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(00:07):
This is Late Night Health. Thisis the radio show that cares about the
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a long life. During the firstpart of our show, we're going to
take a look at some mental healthissues and how art can help. Our
guest is John Zaller, who's theexecutive producer of Exhibition Hub, a curator
(00:53):
and distributor of world renowned immersive exhibitions. John, Welcome to Late Night Health.
Thanks Mark, thanks for having meon. Really looking forward to this.
I'm I'm really curious. Can youknow we're recording this in May of
about twenty twenty three, and thisis Mental Health Month. Can't help people
(01:19):
relax, not be depressed, maybeeven more creative by looking at art.
So you know, there's a lotof studies that have come out about the
connection between art and mental health,and art and general well being, and
(01:41):
there there are, um, thereare a lot of general studies. So
I'm actually working on several really timelyexhibitions that address these points directly. Um.
The one of the big ones isvan go The Immersive Experience, and
in Van Gogh the University of Experience. You know, we're obviously dealing with
(02:04):
the art of Vincent van Gogh,who was your typical struggling artist. He
during his lifetime, you know,he was someone who had difficulty connecting with
people. He isolated himself a lot, He had violent mood swings, he
was prone to drinking a lot.He was never successful in his lifetime,
(02:25):
was he I mean financially No.During his life he sold one painting,
and he did trade a lot ofpaintings. He bartered a lot of paintings,
which is also an interesting something wecan talk about because the people understood,
(02:47):
I think, how good he was, but they didn't support him in
how good he was because they sawan opportunity to take advantage of him because
he was having such a difficult timeas an individual. So this is another
kind of under you know, underpinningto his story. But after his death,
you know, years and years usinghis letters to his brother Theo.
(03:10):
He was post diagnosed with a seriesof potential disorders bipolar mood disorder, borderline
personality disorder, epilepsy, alcohol addiction, malnutrition, delirium, and depressive episodes.
So, you know, this isone of the artists that I'm I'm
(03:31):
kind of around every day because wehave fifteen of his exhibits traveling the United
States and it's it's helped me toframe a conversation around mental health that helps
tell the story of if Van Goghhad had the treatments and the ability to
be diagnosed that we have today,what would his life have been like.
(03:54):
So it's a really interesting conversation tohave when he passed. When he was
he yeah, he committed suicide atthe age of thirty seven. Oh why
so? And he only painted forten years. So picture what the output
would have been in his life,his lifetime. Had he lived to be
(04:17):
eighty six to the age of money, for example, what would he have
done Because his painting style was sorevolutionary at the time. It was a
whole other way of looking at theworld. And part of that, you
know, some physicists and also psychologistsand believed that it came from his turbulent
(04:39):
state of mind, that when hewas at his most manic, he could
actually tap into the natural phenomena ofthe universe. So that the physicists have
studied his paintings and they've grafted thepoints of light, the distance between the
points of light and his painting,and see that it aligns perfectly with their
(05:00):
physical models they've created. It's funnybecause I'm just going to interrupt and say
physicists and now I understand, Imean their their studies with physics right now
going on. Where if the personconducting a physics experiment says I'm wanted to
(05:21):
go right, just thinks it,it'll go right or left, and they
don't even have to be on site. They could be miles away. Fascinating
stuff. There's a word you used, and that's immersive. What do you
mean by immersive? So an immersiveexperience, you know, it can be
(05:45):
all kinds of things. I meanI've been doing I've been creating exhibitions and
theme park attractions, you know,from the museum to the retail space to
the theme park space for over twentyyears, and for me, an immersive
experience, I'm sorry you didn't domister Lincoln at Disneyland then in the fifties.
No, no, I just missedthat one, just missed it.
(06:11):
But for me, an immersive experienceis one that takes you out of your
everyday environment. So from the minuteyou walk into a building, you're suddenly
transported to another space. So forexample, when I did the Titanic exhibition
that traveled around the around the world, the goal was to place you on
the ship, and that was usingphysical elements. So you know, immersive
(06:34):
is really this transportive, sometimes transcendentinteraction with an environment, with an exhibition
style environment. But now immersive todayhas come to mean more surrounded by three
sixty projection mapping, and that's whatthe immersive experience is that we create today
(06:57):
an exhibition hub are more we're focusedon is these full three sixty four K
projections on thirty foot high walls.A lot of times with artists, so
you step into their work, you'resurrounded and developed in their work. And
that's really how the popular culture todaydefines immersive, although we do define it
(07:18):
a little further than that. Andthere's somebody at this at an immersive exhibit,
do they learn about the artists?For example, with ben go To.
Is there a discussion about his mentaldisease. Absolutely so. In the
(07:43):
In the Ben go the Immersive Experience, there's a series of galleries prior to
this big immersive ten thousand square forimmersive gallery where you learn all about the
life of the artists. You learnabout his upbringing, you learn about his
techne, you know, and VanGogh again, who started painting at the
(08:03):
age of twenty eight. He wasan itinerant preacher, He was an art
dealer, he was a school teacher. He tried, he tried all kinds
of things, but he was alwaysdrawing. So we tell his whole life
story. Uh, his brother thatyou mentioned, THEO, didn't he capitalize
(08:24):
on on his artwork. I'm i'mI'm remembering world art history from um three
weeks ago, you know, college, and UM, it's maybe a little
bit more than that. So Iguess my my my thought is, didn't
THEO really catapult Van go his brotherVincent to start him afterwards? So what
(08:52):
THEO did was THEO really looked afterhis brother. Um, Vincent and THEO
communicated with over seven hundred letters betweenthem, every pain that Vincent painted,
almost every painting THEO bought. THEOkept these carefully categorized in his storage and
(09:16):
THEO actually died very shortly after Vincent'sdeath. But it was Theo's wife and
their son who launched the Van Foundationthat is now today the Vang Museum.
That's the immersed the immersive experience ofVan Go and it's in major cities.
It's traveling. We're going to findout where. In just a couple of
(09:39):
moments. Our guest is John Zaylor, and John and I will be back
along with the insane Darrel Wayne.As Late Night Health continues, don't go
away more coming up. Late NightHealth is proud of partnership with the EBC,
(10:01):
the Evolutionary Business Council. Check themout at eb council dot com.
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our guest is John Zaylor. John, You've obviously you've spent a lot of
time with Vincent van Gogh, butjust some of your other experiences include Star
(14:05):
Trek. Let me see You're I'vegot a whole list here. Star Trek,
Jurassic Park Bodies. Is that theone where their actual human bodies and
they're kind of preserved and cut up. It is it's actual human bodies dissected
on full display for you to seewhat you look like inside. Now I
(14:30):
don't want to see that. Umuh yeah, it's um all the others
I think I saw, I thinkexhaust Star Trek that was a number of
years ago. There was a numberof years ago. It started actually at
the Queen Marydome and then it traveledall over the United States for for several
(14:52):
years and had a permanent home alsoin Las Vegas for a long time,
created by a friend of mine.That's the one I remember. We're talking
about the Vincent Van Go Van Goimmersive experience. Studies have shown that by
being in one of these immersive artexhibits, you can you can relax,
(15:20):
impression goes away, negative mood,anxiety, and even lowlandness. Can you
explain that or tell us about that? Yes, So, there have been
some recent studies on the impact ofdigital art kind of on well being and
on state of mind, and thosestudies have shown that even looking at digital
(15:45):
art at art of any kind onyour computer screen or on your phone actually
can reduce blood pressure, reduce feelingsof anxiety, and help you to be
more centered. Because when you thinkabout our electronic device is they're always full
of all this stuff, notifications,emails, calendar reminders. But when you
(16:07):
can cover that screen with artwork,it takes away all of those anxieties and
pressures for a few moments, whichdoes help put you in a better mood
over all better state of mind.What about the digital art that people are
making and then selling online. Youknow they you know, they're getting thousands
(16:30):
of dollars for these things that looklike a kindergarten and needs to me who
I can't draw a straight line witha ruler, and and they're you know,
they're being they're getting thousands of dollarsfor these digital art things. Well,
so you know, when you're talkingabout NFTs, for example, yes,
(16:53):
it's a whole emerging it's a wholeemerging realm. And in some ways
it's similar to what we're doing inthe sense that we're right at the beginning
of this new phase of digital artand digital exploration. And so the question
is what's going to have that stayingpower. So what is you know,
(17:15):
what is art is often defined byit's defined by public, you know,
by public response to that work.I mean, for a long time it
was defined by a few people sayingthis is art. But what we've seen
is that art is all around usand it really, it really is in
the eye of the beholder. SoI think that's what's interesting about both the
(17:36):
digital art realm we're in and theNFT realm is that it's more democratized.
So we don't have a curator whosays this is art. We might have
a curator by a mob or acrowd that says this is the trend of
art. And so that's going tobe a really interesting as we go on
to see if these pieces do holdtheir value. Is just in a couple
(18:00):
of museums in Europe, and theartwork in the exhibits don't seem to me
to have changed. I've seen photographs. I was in Florence, we went
we saw the work Michelangelo, forexample, and I've seen videos and I
(18:22):
had seen still photographs of course ofDavid. And my thought is that this
is your mom's kind of museum.It's you walk through it your time.
You've got twenty minutes to look atDavid and then you're out of it.
Right, is this going to change? You think these old museums that have
(18:45):
these four and five hundred year oldor more pieces of art are going to
become immersive. I think that's goingto be up to the individual museum,
and I I think that the thatthe museum um will make their own call
(19:07):
in terms of how that artwork needsto be received them. And what about
the cities I want to get tomake sure that we get the cities where
where can we go now to seevan Go? So we're presenting van Go
in numerous cities across the United Statesplus around the world. Um so Upstate
(19:30):
New York and Schenectady, in Raleigh, North Carolina, in Atlanta, in
Miami, New Orleans, Houston,Cincinnati, um come on here, California,
come on, Sacramento. Okay,we're about We're just about to open
it in Los Angeles and then inSeattle, got it. So a lot
(19:56):
of options in the United States.Plus we're we have a we have prison
stations in Singapore, in Brussels,in Naples, in Milan, and in
three locations in the Uk. Iwas just in Naples. I didn't see
it, oh man, I missedand in Naples. In Naples, we're
in an old We're in an oldcathedral, so it's even more magnificent because
(20:18):
you have the beauty of the Italianarchitecture around you as well as the works
of ango displayed on the walls.Amazing. Naples was great. It's the
uh the home of pizza. AndI didn't like the pizza there as much
as I did in Fluence figure.I hear it, I hear. I
(20:41):
haven't been to Naples in a longtime, but there's a pizza place right
in the center of town that isit literally is the best pizza in the
world. I missed it. Weate a lot of pizza and it um
and of course people can't tease me. My family teased me because I eat
pizza over the knife and forth,at least at the start, then I
(21:03):
pick it up. In Italy,everybody eats pizza, so I must be
Italian. There you go, You'rea man of the people, man of
the Italian people, exactly. Umvan go. Obviously he had a rough
luck. I mean, everybody knowsthe story about putting off his zo committed
(21:27):
suicide. As he had said earlier, what can people today learn from from
Van Go's life? So, youknow, as its Mental Health Month and
you know, this is what we'retalking about. And I reflected on this
quite a bit. He had allof these diagnos, all these disorders or
(21:51):
mental health issues that he was diagnosedwith. After he died, he was
an outcast more or less. Hewas hard to connect with because of the
issues that he had. He didfind incredible solace in art, and he
created some of the most memorable andiconic works of art of all time.
I would say as an individual,the thing that was missing for him was
(22:15):
any level of understanding of what mentalhealth is or what a mental health crisis
is. So if someone around him, for example, his brother Theo did
really look out for him, butif others in his community had been had
the tools to engage with him onthis, he may have had a much
more fulfilling life, lived a lotlonger, and created a lot more artworks.
(22:40):
And I think that's really the messagefor Mental Health Awareness Month is check
in with yourself, check in withthose you care about and you love those
in your community, and make surethat people are in a good state.
You know, it's one thing tosay, oh, I'm having a bad
day, but when you see thetrend of someone really declining spiraling, try
(23:00):
to get connected with them so thatthey can come back to a more level
state of being if somebody's interested.Is there a website that people can go
who learn more about the good Yes, Bango expo dot com and on there
all the cities around the world arelisted and you can select from your city
(23:22):
and you can come and check outthe show and be enveloped in this artwork.
And if digital art eases the soulon a small screen, just picture
what it does in ten thousand squarefeet on thirty foot high walls. John,
thank you very much. Look forwardto your next exhibit and we'll talk
about it. Then. I'm markeddown and along with the Insane. Daryl
(23:42):
Wayne joined us at Late Nighthelp dotcom. That's Late Nighthelp dot com. Mortally
This is Late Night Health. Thisis the radio show that cares about the
most important part of your life,your health. During the next hour week
that's really interesting, people's fut Aboutthirty minutes from now, we're going to
speak with the one hundred two yearold doctors who's still practicing, she's still
(00:29):
consulting, and she's got a greatbook, The Well Lived Life. I
can't look at me to talk toher and find out her six secrets for
a long life. During the firstpart of our show, we're going to
take a look at some mental healthissues and how art can help. Our
guest is John Zaller, who's theexecutive producer of Exhibition Hub, a curator
(00:53):
and distributor of world renowned immersive exhibitions. John, Welcome to Late Night Health.
Thanks Mark, thanks for having meon. Really looking forward to this.
I'm I'm really curious. Can youknow we're recording this in May of
about twenty twenty three, and thisis Mental Health Month. Can't help people
(01:19):
relax, not be depressed, maybeeven more creative by looking at art.
So you know, there's a lotof studies that have come out about the
connection between art and mental health,and art and general well being, and
(01:41):
there there are, um, thereare a lot of general studies. So
I'm actually working on several really timelyexhibitions that address these points directly. Um.
The one of the big ones isvan go The Immersive Experience, and
in Van Gogh the University of Experience. You know, we're obviously dealing with
(02:04):
the art of Vincent van Gogh,who was your typical struggling artist. He
during his lifetime, you know,he was someone who had difficulty connecting with
people. He isolated himself a lot, He had violent mood swings, he
was prone to drinking a lot.He was never successful in his lifetime,
(02:25):
was he I mean financially No.During his life he sold one painting,
and he did trade a lot ofpaintings. He bartered a lot of paintings,
which is also an interesting something wecan talk about because the people understood,
(02:47):
I think, how good he was, but they didn't support him in
how good he was because they sawan opportunity to take advantage of him because
he was having such a difficult timeas an individual. So this is another
kind of under you know, underpinningto his story. But after his death,
you know, years and years usinghis letters to his brother Theo.
(03:10):
He was post diagnosed with a seriesof potential disorders bipolar mood disorder, borderline
personality disorder, epilepsy, alcohol addiction, malnutrition, delirium, and depressive episodes.
So, you know, this isone of the artists that I'm I'm
(03:31):
kind of around every day because wehave fifteen of his exhibits traveling the United
States and it's it's helped me toframe a conversation around mental health that helps
tell the story of if Van Goghhad had the treatments and the ability to
be diagnosed that we have today,what would his life have been like.
(03:54):
So it's a really interesting conversation tohave when he passed. When he was
he yeah, he committed suicide atthe age of thirty seven. Oh why
so? And he only painted forten years. So picture what the output
would have been in his life,his lifetime. Had he lived to be
(04:17):
eighty six to the age of money, for example, what would he have
done Because his painting style was sorevolutionary at the time. It was a
whole other way of looking at theworld. And part of that, you
know, some physicists and also psychologistsand believed that it came from his turbulent
(04:39):
state of mind, that when hewas at his most manic, he could
actually tap into the natural phenomena ofthe universe. So that the physicists have
studied his paintings and they've grafted thepoints of light, the distance between the
points of light and his painting,and see that it aligns perfectly with their
(05:00):
physical models they've created. It's funnybecause I'm just going to interrupt and say
physicists and now I understand, Imean their their studies with physics right now
going on. Where if the personconducting a physics experiment says I'm wanted to
(05:21):
go right, just thinks it,it'll go right or left, and they
don't even have to be on site. They could be miles away. Fascinating
stuff. There's a word you used, and that's immersive. What do you
mean by immersive? So an immersiveexperience, you know, it can be
(05:45):
all kinds of things. I meanI've been doing I've been creating exhibitions and
theme park attractions, you know,from the museum to the retail space to
the theme park space for over twentyyears, and for me, an immersive
experience, I'm sorry you didn't domister Lincoln at Disneyland then in the fifties.
No, no, I just missedthat one, just missed it.
(06:11):
But for me, an immersive experienceis one that takes you out of your
everyday environment. So from the minuteyou walk into a building, you're suddenly
transported to another space. So forexample, when I did the Titanic exhibition
that traveled around the around the world, the goal was to place you on
the ship, and that was usingphysical elements. So you know, immersive
(06:34):
is really this transportive, sometimes transcendentinteraction with an environment, with an exhibition
style environment. But now immersive todayhas come to mean more surrounded by three
sixty projection mapping, and that's whatthe immersive experience is that we create today
(06:57):
an exhibition hub are more we're focusedon is these full three sixty four K
projections on thirty foot high walls.A lot of times with artists, so
you step into their work, you'resurrounded and developed in their work. And
that's really how the popular culture todaydefines immersive, although we do define it
(07:18):
a little further than that. Andthere's somebody at this at an immersive exhibit,
do they learn about the artists?For example, with ben go To.
Is there a discussion about his mentaldisease. Absolutely so. In the
(07:43):
In the Ben go the Immersive Experience, there's a series of galleries prior to
this big immersive ten thousand square forimmersive gallery where you learn all about the
life of the artists. You learnabout his upbringing, you learn about his
techne, you know, and VanGogh again, who started painting at the
(08:03):
age of twenty eight. He wasan itinerant preacher, He was an art
dealer, he was a school teacher. He tried, he tried all kinds
of things, but he was alwaysdrawing. So we tell his whole life
story. Uh, his brother thatyou mentioned, THEO, didn't he capitalize
(08:24):
on on his artwork. I'm i'mI'm remembering world art history from um three
weeks ago, you know, college, and UM, it's maybe a little
bit more than that. So Iguess my my my thought is, didn't
THEO really catapult Van go his brotherVincent to start him afterwards? So what
(08:52):
THEO did was THEO really looked afterhis brother. Um, Vincent and THEO
communicated with over seven hundred letters betweenthem, every pain that Vincent painted,
almost every painting THEO bought. THEOkept these carefully categorized in his storage and
(09:16):
THEO actually died very shortly after Vincent'sdeath. But it was Theo's wife and
their son who launched the Van Foundationthat is now today the Vang Museum.
That's the immersed the immersive experience ofVan Go and it's in major cities.
It's traveling. We're going to findout where. In just a couple of
(09:39):
moments. Our guest is John Zaylor, and John and I will be back
along with the insane Darrel Wayne.As Late Night Health continues, don't go
away more coming up. Late NightHealth is proud of partnership with the EBC,
(10:01):
the Evolutionary Business Council. Check themout at eb council dot com.
You're listening to Late Night Health withMark Allen. The show continues in a
moment. Recently, I met Jacquelinefrom Bright here in Los Angeles. She
gave me a hearing exam and thenshowed me how to hear again with the
(10:24):
new signy, a pure series hearingaids, and she can give you your
life back to I hear birds chirping, birds cooing, and even my wife.
They easily connect to my smartphone.The hearing aids are amazing and with
the charge and go, I don'thave to fiddle with batteries and here all
day long. Not hearing is frustratingfor you and your family. I know
(10:46):
you don't have a problem, buttrust me. Call bright here now for
a free hearing exam a one hundredand twenty five dollar value yours free,
just for making an appointment now.There are offices throughout the Los Ange to
this area. Call bright here nowat three two three four two four seventy
one hundred. That's three two threefour two four seventy one hundred for a
(11:07):
free herring exam. There's no obligation. Call nout three two three four two
four seventy one hundred or visit themon the web at brighthere dot com.
If you're listening to Late Night Healthright now, you're part of the growing
target of baby boomers. We're servingHi. I'm Darryl Wayne, producer of
Late Night Health, inviting you tojoin the Late Night Health family. If
(11:28):
you have any business targeting the growingboomer market, Late Night Health is the
ideal advertising vehicle for you. Fromvitamins to insurance, alternative health, the
Western style medicine. Late Night Healthcaters to the growing population of those over
forty years old. This vibrant demographichas expendable income to fight aging, purchase
travel, take care of aging parents, or just have fun. Find out
(11:50):
about the advertising opportunities with Late NightHealth. Call us at eight O five
three nine one zero three zero eight. That's eight oh five three nine one
eight, or email us at infoat late Nighthelp dot com. That's info
at late Nighthelp dot com. JoinLate Night Health as we empower people to
take charge of their own healthcare.Call now at eight O five three nine
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one zero three zero eight. That'seight oh five three nine one h three
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com and join the conversation to bepart of the solution. Late Night Health
continues. I'm Mark Allen, alongwith me in Saint Daryl Wayne, and
our guest is John Zaylor. John, You've obviously you've spent a lot of
time with Vincent van Gogh, butjust some of your other experiences include Star
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Trek. Let me see You're I'vegot a whole list here. Star Trek,
Jurassic Park Bodies. Is that theone where their actual human bodies and
they're kind of preserved and cut up. It is it's actual human bodies dissected
on full display for you to seewhat you look like inside. Now I
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don't want to see that. Umuh yeah, it's um all the others
I think I saw, I thinkexhaust Star Trek that was a number of
years ago. There was a numberof years ago. It started actually at
the Queen Marydome and then it traveledall over the United States for for several
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years and had a permanent home alsoin Las Vegas for a long time,
created by a friend of mine.That's the one I remember. We're talking
about the Vincent Van Go Van Goimmersive experience. Studies have shown that by
being in one of these immersive artexhibits, you can you can relax,
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impression goes away, negative mood,anxiety, and even lowlandness. Can you
explain that or tell us about that? Yes, So, there have been
some recent studies on the impact ofdigital art kind of on well being and
on state of mind, and thosestudies have shown that even looking at digital
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art at art of any kind onyour computer screen or on your phone actually
can reduce blood pressure, reduce feelingsof anxiety, and help you to be
more centered. Because when you thinkabout our electronic device is they're always full
of all this stuff, notifications,emails, calendar reminders. But when you
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can cover that screen with artwork,it takes away all of those anxieties and
pressures for a few moments, whichdoes help put you in a better mood
over all better state of mind.What about the digital art that people are
making and then selling online. Youknow they you know, they're getting thousands
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of dollars for these things that looklike a kindergarten and needs to me who
I can't draw a straight line witha ruler, and and they're you know,
they're being they're getting thousands of dollarsfor these digital art things. Well,
so you know, when you're talkingabout NFTs, for example, yes,
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it's a whole emerging it's a wholeemerging realm. And in some ways
it's similar to what we're doing inthe sense that we're right at the beginning
of this new phase of digital artand digital exploration. And so the question
is what's going to have that stayingpower. So what is you know,
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what is art is often defined byit's defined by public, you know,
by public response to that work.I mean, for a long time it
was defined by a few people sayingthis is art. But what we've seen
is that art is all around usand it really, it really is in
the eye of the beholder. SoI think that's what's interesting about both the
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digital art realm we're in and theNFT realm is that it's more democratized.
So we don't have a curator whosays this is art. We might have
a curator by a mob or acrowd that says this is the trend of
art. And so that's going tobe a really interesting as we go on
to see if these pieces do holdtheir value. Is just in a couple
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of museums in Europe, and theartwork in the exhibits don't seem to me
to have changed. I've seen photographs. I was in Florence, we went
we saw the work Michelangelo, forexample, and I've seen videos and I
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had seen still photographs of course ofDavid. And my thought is that this
is your mom's kind of museum.It's you walk through it your time.
You've got twenty minutes to look atDavid and then you're out of it.
Right, is this going to change? You think these old museums that have
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these four and five hundred year oldor more pieces of art are going to
become immersive. I think that's goingto be up to the individual museum,
and I I think that the thatthe museum um will make their own call
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in terms of how that artwork needsto be received them. And what about
the cities I want to get tomake sure that we get the cities where
where can we go now to seevan Go? So we're presenting van Go
in numerous cities across the United Statesplus around the world. Um so Upstate
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New York and Schenectady, in Raleigh, North Carolina, in Atlanta, in
Miami, New Orleans, Houston,Cincinnati, um come on here, California,
come on, Sacramento. Okay,we're about We're just about to open
it in Los Angeles and then inSeattle, got it. So a lot
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of options in the United States.Plus we're we have a we have prison
stations in Singapore, in Brussels,in Naples, in Milan, and in
three locations in the Uk. Iwas just in Naples. I didn't see
it, oh man, I missedand in Naples. In Naples, we're
in an old We're in an oldcathedral, so it's even more magnificent because
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you have the beauty of the Italianarchitecture around you as well as the works
of ango displayed on the walls.Amazing. Naples was great. It's the
uh the home of pizza. AndI didn't like the pizza there as much
as I did in Fluence figure.I hear it, I hear. I
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haven't been to Naples in a longtime, but there's a pizza place right
in the center of town that isit literally is the best pizza in the
world. I missed it. Weate a lot of pizza and it um
and of course people can't tease me. My family teased me because I eat
pizza over the knife and forth,at least at the start, then I
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pick it up. In Italy,everybody eats pizza, so I must be
Italian. There you go, You'rea man of the people, man of
the Italian people, exactly. Umvan go. Obviously he had a rough
luck. I mean, everybody knowsthe story about putting off his zo committed
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suicide. As he had said earlier, what can people today learn from from
Van Go's life? So, youknow, as its Mental Health Month and
you know, this is what we'retalking about. And I reflected on this
quite a bit. He had allof these diagnos, all these disorders or
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mental health issues that he was diagnosedwith. After he died, he was
an outcast more or less. Hewas hard to connect with because of the
issues that he had. He didfind incredible solace in art, and he
created some of the most memorable andiconic works of art of all time.
I would say as an individual,the thing that was missing for him was
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any level of understanding of what mentalhealth is or what a mental health crisis
is. So if someone around him, for example, his brother Theo did
really look out for him, butif others in his community had been had
the tools to engage with him onthis, he may have had a much
more fulfilling life, lived a lotlonger, and created a lot more artworks.
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And I think that's really the messagefor Mental Health Awareness Month is check
in with yourself, check in withthose you care about and you love those
in your community, and make surethat people are in a good state.
You know, it's one thing tosay, oh, I'm having a bad
day, but when you see thetrend of someone really declining spiraling, try
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to get connected with them so thatthey can come back to a more level
state of being if somebody's interested.Is there a website that people can go
who learn more about the good Yes, Bango expo dot com and on there
all the cities around the world arelisted and you can select from your city
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and you can come and check outthe show and be enveloped in this artwork.
And if digital art eases the soulon a small screen, just picture
what it does in ten thousand squarefeet on thirty foot high walls. John,
thank you very much. Look forwardto your next exhibit and we'll talk
about it. Then. I'm markeddown and along with the Insane. Daryl
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Wayne joined us at Late Nighthelp dotcom. That's Late Nighthelp dot com. Mortally
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