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November 13, 2023 22 mins
In episode 162 of the Leader of Learning Podcast, host Dr. Dan Kreiness opens up about his personal experience with impostor syndrome, which led him to examine the impact of this phenomenon on educators and content creators. He shares insights into understanding impostor syndrome, recognizing its various types, and provides strategies for overcoming it. In this episode, we will delve into the different facets of impostor syndrome, its effects, and practical methods for combating it.

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(00:00):
I am so excited to be back. Thanks for joining me. In this
episode, we're gonna dive into whyI took such a long break in between
episodes, and we're gonna dive deeperinto imposter syndrome, what it is,
how it affects people, some typesof it, and of course, ways
to go about getting rid of itonce you have it. Here we go.

(00:25):
Welcome to the Leader of Learning podcast. I'm your host, doctor Dan
Krenis, and this is where Ihelp educators grow their impact as instructional leaders
because my research and leadership experiences haveled me to understand that someone like you,
regardless of your role or your title, can have a tremendous impact on
your organization. I chat with inspiringguests who are truly making an impact as

(00:50):
instructional leaders. Whether this is yourfirst time listening or you come back for
more, I hope you've subscribed tothis show on your preferred podcast app so
you don't miss any of the greatepisodes, topics, or guests. Anyway,
I'm so glad you've tuned in.Now let's get started. Welcome back,

(01:17):
Leader of Learning. First, andforemost, welcome to this episode.
More importantly, though, welcome backto the show. Admittedly, I have
taken months away from this podcast andreally gone on a hiatus away from creating
content and putting out episodes like Ihave in the past. I won't go

(01:38):
into too much detail here about why, but I did cover that in my
latest newsletter. If you're not alreadysubscribed to my email newsletter, go ahead
and visit Leader of Learning dot comslash news and sign up today now.
Although there were a lot of factorsin why I haven't created content or published

(02:01):
a podcast episode in a while,one of the reasons was at least the
fact that I'm gonna admit and bea little vulnerable here. I think I
was suffering from some imposter syndrome.I don't know about you, but imposter
syndrome is something that I have thoughtabout a lot as a content creator and

(02:23):
even as an educator, because Ido think it's something that I face fairly
often and something that I think I'vereally had to come to terms with,
especially as it relates to how todeal with it, how to cope with
it, and ultimately how to tryand overcome it. In this episode,

(02:45):
what I want to do is kindof reair some content that I created around
imposter syndrome. I'm actually going toplay the audio of two YouTube videos that
I created. The first one isaround what imposter syndrome is and how to

(03:05):
recognize it, where I go throughactually some different types of imposter syndrome.
Next, i'll play for you theaudio from a second or a part two
of my mini series on imposter syndrome, and in that we'll discuss the ways
in which you can help overcome impostersyndrome when you get it and when you

(03:29):
recognize it in yourself. So firstwe'll start with that audio from the video
on what is imposter syndrome and whatare the types of it so we can
recognize it within ourselves. Give ita listen. Here In this video,
I'd like to go through what impostersyndrome is and the five different types of

(03:53):
it, so you can recognize impostersyndrome when you see it or you sense
it, and you might be ableto identify yourself with any one of these
five impostor syndrome types. We'll startwith type number one. The first type
of imposter syndrome is known as theperfectionist. Perfectionists set excessively high goals for

(04:15):
themselves and when they fail to reacha goal, they experience major self doubt
and worry that they're not going tobe able to measure up, whether they
realize it or not. This groupalso tends to be control freaks, feeling
like if they want something done right, they have to do it for themselves.

(04:36):
Imposter syndrome type number two is supermanor superwoman. People who experience this
type of imposter syndrome are convinced theirphonies amongst real deal colleagues or acquaintances.
They often push themselves to work harderand harder to measure up, but this

(04:58):
is just a false cover up fortheir insecurities, and the work overload may
not only harm their own mental health, but also their relationship with others.
The third type of impostor syndrome isalso known as the natural genius. People
with this type believe they need tobe a natural genius. They judge their

(05:18):
competence based on ease and speed asopposed to effort. In other words,
if they take a long time tomaster something, they feel shame. They
don't just judge themselves based on ridiculousexpectations, but they also judge themselves based
on getting things right on the firsttry. When they're not able to do

(05:40):
something quickly or fluently, they feellike a failure. The fourth type of
imposter syndrome is known as the soloist. This type of imposter syndrome features people
who feel as though asking for helpreveals their phoniness. It's okay to be
independent, but not to the pointat which you refuse assistance so that you

(06:00):
can prove your worth. And thefifth type of imposter syndrome is known as
the expert. Experts measure their competencebased on what and how much they know
or can do. They believe thatthey will never know enough, and so
they fear being exposed as inexperienced orunknowledgeable. So those are the five types

(06:24):
of imposter syndrome. And I'm guessingthat if you're watching this video right now
and looking for more information about impostersyndrome and these types of imposter syndrome,
you've probably faced it or you're facingit right now, and just like me,
it's something that you really need toknow how to deal with. This

(06:44):
podcast is a proud member of theTeach Better podcast network, Better Today,
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dot Teach beetterpodcastnetwork dot com. Nowlet's get back to the episode. I
hope you enjoyed that and you tooksomething away from that audio that really explained

(07:05):
what imposter syndrome is and some ofthe types of imposter syndrome, so that
when you face it, you canunderstand it better and recognize it better in
yourself and identify how it's really comingabout in you and how it's affecting you.
This last section of this podcast episodedeals with what to do when you

(07:30):
are facing imposter syndrome. So nowI'd like to take you through some ways
to actually combat or get rid ofimposter syndrome when you get it. Give
it a listen who gets imposter syndrome? Who faces it? Well, it
can really be experienced and faced byanyone, but I think it's especially prevalent

(07:55):
in people like me who are contentcreators or authors or speaks, people who
are actually giving of themselves in away that others can consume. It might
even creep in into your professional livesif you're someone who is in charge of
people tasked with creating things for others, or presenting to others, or really

(08:18):
any type of role in which you'reworking with others. It's a little bit
of a dangerous syndrome or experience becauseit really creates a lot of self doubt
and it really affects your mental health. So I think these five tips or

(08:39):
tricks could go a long way inhelping someone's mental health and of course helping
them overcome their impostor syndrome. Thefirst tip I would give someone when trying
to overcome their impostor syndrome is tofind their why. Yes, it sounds
a little cliche or corny, butI go back to what Simon Sinic said

(09:03):
about starting with your why or findingyour why. If you've never seen Simon
sinics Ted talk or read his book, start with why. Let me just
explain it very quickly. Basically,Simon Sinic says that in the golden circle,
what you want to do, especiallyagain if you're someone who's creating content,
or really in any field in whichsomeone is working, is to understand

(09:28):
why they do it. And Ithink that'll go a long way in helping
you conquer your imposter syndrome. So, really finding your why means what is
your purpose for doing what you do. I started off this video by telling
you what my why is. Itold you that on the Leader of Learning
podcast and on this channel. Mywhy is to inspire growth and transformation in

(09:52):
education and beyond. And when Igo back to that why, then it
helps me under why I put outthe content I put out, which also
helps me not worry about the contentthat others are putting out, because frankly,
I'm not the only one out therewho's looking to inspire growth and transformation

(10:13):
and education. There are other peopleand people who do it just as well,
if not better than I do,and have more followers and viewers and
subscribers than I do. But Istill continue to do it because that's what
I'm passionate about and that's what fitswith my why. So the second piece

(10:35):
of advice I want to give youto help you overcome your imposter syndrome kind
of goes back to and relates tothe first one, but it's stop comparing
yourself to others. Like I said, I'm not the only one who creates
the kind of content that I create, and I bet you are not the
only one who does the kind ofjob you do, or creates the kind

(10:56):
of content that you create, ormakes the kinds of decisions that you're faced
with making, So stop worrying aboutothers. Don't worry about what kind of
money they make, or the contentthat they put out or the amount of
subscribers they have. The reason Isay that is because I know that,
when it comes down to it,everyone has a different way of doing it,

(11:24):
and so your way may work betterfor others. Let me give you
an example. When I was aclassroom teacher, there were other teachers who
I knew students may have enjoyed more, they liked their classes more, they
might have even created better connections withHowever, I, when given the opportunity

(11:45):
over to my students for them toprovide me with feedback, realize that one
of the things they really appreciated mostabout my class is the way I explain
things to them, how easy itwas for me to help them learn new
things. So while other classes mayhave been more exciting or fun or engaging,
and while other teachers may have beenmore of their favorites, they really

(12:11):
did value what I brought to thetable in my classroom in terms of the
way I explained information. The wayI taught them seemed to resonate with them
better than a lot of the otherteachers. So again, the second way
of overcoming your impostor syndrome is tounderstand that you cannot compare yourself to others.

(12:33):
You are the only you that thereis in the world, and you
need to embrace that in order tocontinue to do what it is that you
want to do and to stop gettingin your own way. The third way
that I want to recommend to youto help stop that impostor syndrome is to
understand that you have a unique voiceand a unique story. As I mentioned

(12:56):
in the second piece of advice,other people are doing what you do.
It's natural, it's okay, butyou have your own voice, not the
tone of your voice or how yousound, but the way you tell things,
the way you tell your story.Storytelling is extremely important, and because
you are the only you, noone else is going to be able to

(13:20):
tell it like you. So whilethere might be other competitors out there,
other businesses, other content creators,other educators, whatever it is you in
your own way can only do whatit is that you want in your way.
I've learned that over the years asa podcaster and an author especially.

(13:43):
There are so many books out therethink about how many books you can find
or that you've read on self helpor business tips and business marketing. Not
everyone can read every single book,and not every book can ever become a
best seller, but many books areout there that have hundreds, if not

(14:07):
thousands of readers because that book presentsthe same or similar topics in a very
different way. So understanding that youhave your way of doing things will go
a long way in helping you getrid of that imposter syndrome, because no

(14:28):
two people will ever deliver the samemessage the same way. And so therefore,
if you want to go ahead withsomething that you've been hesitant on at
or that's really you know, weighingon you and you're just having so much
doubt about it, understand that peoplemay prefer to hear it from you or

(14:50):
see it from you versus anyone elsewho might have even done it before you.
Number four and I know this isgoing to sound simple, and it's
not. And I'll explain why.Is to build your confidence. And that
sounds simple, but it's not.In a way. Your confidence level when

(15:11):
it comes to imposter syndrome goes waydown. But in order to build it
up, I want you to thinkabout your experiences and your accomplishments. You've
gotten here for a reason. AndI want to bring up a word that
makes some people uncomfortable, and thatword is expert or expertise. You have
a certain level of expertise that alot of other people don't. It depends,

(15:35):
of course, on who you are, what you do, and how
you do it, and I getthat, but building a level of confidence
also means understanding your expertise. Asan educator and someone who's been in several
leadership positions and coaching positions where I'vehad to support other people, I've had
to realize my expertise. And that'snot to say I go around bragging about

(16:00):
my expertise all the time, butsometimes it takes for me to step back
and realize that I know just evena little bit more than some other people
know, and that's why I'm ina position to coach them. That's not
to say that I can't learn alot from them too, because there's something
that they know more than I doabout. I want to give you an
example. When I was first ina full time instructional coaching role as an

(16:26):
educator, I really struggled with havingan expertise because I taught one content area.
My experience at that point was onlyas an English or reading teacher,
and then I was asked to coachand support all teachers in all content areas.
And I really struggled with imposter syndromebecause I thought, how am I

(16:48):
going to help other teachers in contentareas that I don't know and I'm not
comfortable with. But when I steppedback and I thought to myself that I'm
in this position because I know whatgood teaching and what good instruction looks like,
it really helped me understand that itdidn't matter what subject area it was.

(17:10):
What mattered was that I had certainskills or expertise that I can lend
to other teachers, regardless of thecontent area. And that's my advice for
you too. Realize your expertise,build your confidence, and really harness your
knowledge and your accomplishments, and understandthat you have at least a little bit

(17:32):
more to give and a little bitmore knowledge than most other people. Finally,
the fifth way to overcome your impostersyndrome is to build up your abundance
mentality. Let me back up fora second. The terms scarcity mentality versus
abundance mentality have been discussed in literaturefor years, especially when it came to

(17:56):
the book The Seven Habits of HighlyEffective Peace People and one of my favorite
books for leadership and for business,Lead from the Heart. In these books,
the terms scarcity versus abundance refer tosomeone's mentality and their willingness to share
with others or to open themselves upto others. When I think about scarcity,

(18:18):
I think about just, you know, not having anything, having nothing,
something is scarce, it's almost nonexistent, which really means in this
case that your willingness to share withothers is kind of non existent. You
keep it to yourself, versus havingan abundance mentality when you are overjoyed and

(18:41):
overwhelmed with the thought of sharing whatyou know with others. Going back to
what I said a few minutes agoabout expertise, an abundance mentality means you
want to give some of that expertiseto others. So really, to go
from a scarcity mentality to an abundancementality kind of takes another type of mentality

(19:03):
known as a growth mindset. Inorder to grow yourself from getting from a
scarcity mentality to an abundance mentality reallymeans that you need to overcome that imposter
syndrome. Step back and say toyourself, I, based on my experiences,
my knowledge, my accomplishments, andmy expertise, I have a lot

(19:26):
to offer and I want to beable to give that to other people.
So there you go. Those arethe ways that I think you can overcome
imposter syndrome once you recognize that that'swhat you're facing, either in your personal
life or your professional life. Iwould love to hear from you. This

(19:48):
is not my way of just puttingan episode out into the world and forgetting
all about it. I really wouldlove to know not only what your thoughts
are around what I've shared here today, between what imposter syndrome is, how
to recognize it, the different typesof it, and of course how to
overcome it. But I would loveto know how does imposter syndrome affect you

(20:12):
and have you or will you trysome of these methods to help overcome it.
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CRINAS or send me an email danatLeader of Learning dot com and let me
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