The Art of Effective Communication and Leadership with Dr. Stephanie Duguid

Welcome to episode 171 of the Leader of Learning Podcast. In this episode, we have the pleasure of hearing from Dr. Stephanie Duguid, a renowned expert in educational leadership and the founder of Do Good Leadership. Dr. Stephanie shared her insights on empowering women in leadership roles, overcoming impostor syndrome, and the importance of effective communication. She highlighted the power of recognizing one's achievements to combat self-doubt and discussed her approach to leadership training.

Guest Information:
Dr. Stephanie Duguid is a renowned expert in Educational Leadership and an International Best-Selling Author. She is the founder of Do Good Leadership, a recognized leader among professional women. With over 100 conference invitations and numerous appearances at colleges and universities nationwide, Dr. Stephanie is a sought-after speaker known for her expertise in positive educational leadership and effective communication.

Drawing from decades of experience in K-12 and Higher Education, she is a strategist and connector, empowering clients to achieve exceptional outcomes. Dr. Stephanie's insights have been featured in notable outlets, and she is also the creator and host of the "Empowering Women in Educational Leadership" radio show, podcast, and blog. In her highly acclaimed keynote, “Exponentially Elevate Your Impact as an Educational Leader,” she inspires audiences to define their purpose and vision in educational leadership, addressing topics like Positive Leadership, Mindset, Optimism, and Conflict Management with Grace.

Beyond her professional achievements, Dr. Stephanie is actively involved in leadership roles within educational organizations and is dedicated to supporting students through community college scholarships in memory of her mother.

Episode Resources:
Stephanie's Website
Do Good Leadership on Facebook

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Episode Transcript

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As a leader, you're going towork with so many different people, and
if you don't know how to communicateand how to adjust the way you communicate
to your different audiences, you're notgoing to be successful. Welcome to the
Leader of Learning Podcast. I'm yourhost, doctor Dan Krinis, and this
is where I help educators grow theirimpact as instructional leaders because my research and

(00:24):
leadership experiences have led me to understandthat someone like you, regardless of your
role or your title, can havea tremendous impact on your organization. I
chat with inspiring guests who are trulymaking an impact as instructional leaders. Whether
this is your first time listening oryou come back for more, I hope
you've subscribed to this show on yourpreferred podcast app so you don't miss any

(00:48):
of the great episodes, topics,or guests. Anyway, I'm so glad
you've tuned in. Now let's getstarted. Welcome back to another episode of
The Leader of Learning podcast. Inthis episode, we're joined by doctor Stephanie

(01:10):
do Good, a renowned expert ineducational leadership and inspiration for professional women everywhere.
As the founder of do Good Leadership, Doctor Stephanie has carved a niche
in fostering positive educational environments and championingwomen in leadership roles through her personal anecdotes
and profound insights. We'll explore thethemes of overcoming imposter syndrome, the power

(01:36):
of effective communication, and the essentialsteps to becoming a transformative leader. So
we're gonna jump right in after thesemessages is my interview with doctor Stephanie do
Good. All right, Leader ofLearning, Welcome back, another exciting episode
with a great guest. Doctor Stephaniedo Good is an expert in educational leadership.

(01:56):
So right up, my Aali andI know that's what you enjoy listen
into. Also, she's an internationalbest selling author and a recognized leader among
professional women. She's the owner andfounder of do Good Leadership Go figure,
with over one hundred conference invitations andnumerous appearances at colleges and universities. Doctor
Stephanie is a renowned speaker known forher expertise in positive educational leadership and effective

(02:23):
communication. Furthermore, she is aconsistent advisor to educational leadership programs, leveraging
her background as a former chief academicofficer and state educational leader. Her educational
contributions have earned her accolades, includingthe Excellence Award from the National Institute of
Staff and Organizational Development. Doctor Stephanie, Welcome to the Leader of Learning podcast.

(02:46):
I appreciate it. I know thatwhen we connected and I saw all
the commonalities that we have in thecontent that we create and the messages that
we love to spread, I knewthat it'd be exciting to get you on
here. Are so welcome, andif you could, if there's anything I
missed in that introduction, please letus know a little bit more about who
you are, where you are,and what you do. Oh, of

(03:07):
course, thank you so much.I'm so excited to be here. I
always love sharing learning and the loveof learning with others. So I am
doctor Stephanie dugid. I'm originally fromHouston, Texas via Phoenix, Arizona,
and now I live in a smalltown called westn Mississippi, which is about
two thousand folks, and so Ijust love where I am because it is,

(03:28):
you know, such a community ofindividuals, and I think that being
a Leader of Learning, that's that'sexactly what it is. It's finding your
own community. And even though weare not in the same city, or
same state. You know, wefound some commonalities between our connections and that's
how we're here today. So it'sjust like having a small town through the
digital age, right, So let'sstart with your you're speaking when you are

(03:58):
speaking to full first of all,who are they? And if you could
just kind of take us through alittle bit of the message that you provide
there when it comes to leadership andI guess empowerment, you know, take
us through that absolutely. You know, I've been speaking for many years in
different platforms. The majority of ithas been to educational leaders, educators themselves,

(04:20):
administrators, but more recently I leftthe college where I was working to
focus on empowering others. And oneof my main areas is empowering women in
educational leadership because that is an areawhere you know you and I talked about
it briefly before this, that youneed more confidence and courage, but also
that sneaky imposter syndrome that tends toset in. And so that's one of

(04:43):
my main areas. And part ofthat came from my mom, who was
a very amazing educator in a Texashigh school for forty years and she was
just able to connect with people,and I watched her as I was growing
up about how she could communicate,how she could connect, and I was
just enthralled with how she could dothat. And she was really my mentor

(05:04):
and everything that I did. Butunfortunately, when I was twenty seven,
she died in a car accident,and so my mentor was all of a
sudden gone. And I determined thatI didn't want to find some of the
mentors that were out there, youknow, like the Tony Robbins and you
know, and those although they're amazing, they're very masculine for me, and
I really wanted to have that feminineguide, and so I did a lot

(05:27):
of professional development and reflection and introspectionand I decided to you know, figure
it all out of my own,but I didn't want other women to have
to go through that themselves. Andso that's where my speaking came in,
is that I am now a mentorto a lot of women and help guide
them along the way to gain thatconfidence, that courage, and you know,
offset that imposter syndrome so they cantake those steps into those leadership roles.

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So my main keynote that I dois called Decide, Discovered, Defy,
and it's really all about exponentially elevatingthe packed in leadership. And so
if you think about those three terms, it's decide. You know, you
have to be so uncomfortable with yoursituation that you're going to make a decision
that you're going to make a change, and so that's where the decide comes

(06:12):
in. Then at that point,you're like, all right, if I'm
going to make a change, nowI have to really do some of that
growth, that reflection, that introspection. I'm discovering who I am and who
I want to be. And thenthe defy is when you're putting all of
this into action and you're stepping intothat new role and you have the posture
and you have the voice and you'refilling that space. And so that's the

(06:32):
main speech that I tend to do. But others always include communication or effective
communication, positive conflict resolution, mindset, all of those pieces. Positive leadership
is another big one, and it'sall around ways that you can connect and
empower one another. It's not inan aggressive format. It's not I deserve

(06:56):
to be this because of whatever reasonit is. I'm really connecting with people
and we work well together. Wefind each other's strengths and how can we
grow and be successful. Yeah,first of all, sorry to hear about
your mom. I know it wasa long time ago, but I am
curious, especially given your your yourmission and your impact on empowering women in

(07:19):
leadership. You said you you didlook up to your mom as a as
a mentor, a female mentor leader. I'm wondering when, when you,
unfortunately did not have her anymore,who else did you look to? Who
else did you look up to?Well, it's and people might think that
I'm crazy when I say this,but it was still my mom. I

(07:40):
mean, even though she was gone, She's the one that I always thought
about, you know when when somebodypasses, And I felt this myself.
When somebody passes, you know,I remember the good things. And she
was kind of my idol. SoI would I would think about how she
did things. I would think abouthow she would communicate. And so I
was a when she passed away.It was my third day of my first

(08:03):
teaching job, and so she knewthat I was going into teaching, but
she didn't know the expent of it. And so let me let me kind
of give you a little bit moreof a backstory on Mom. I don't
know if you've ever heard of theterm a welcome wagon lady. So in
Shiryland, Texas, where I wasraised, she was the welcome wagon lady,
and so that was the one thathad to meet all the new people
in town, you know, givethem some great things, and that she

(08:24):
was the communicator with them. Andwhen she died. She died on August
twenty third, two thousand and one, which was just before nine to eleven.
And so when nine to eleven happened, I finally realized why Mom had
to go. And my way ofdealing with her is that she had to
be the welcome wagon woman in heavenfor everybody coming from nine to eleven.
And so I felt that she wasstill doing what she always did, and

(08:48):
I just everything that I did,I would always go, all right,
Mom, you know, is thiswhere you want me to be? Or
am I doing the right thing?And so I would I would talk to
her more or less and just getthese these feelings and really feel like she
was still talking to me because Ididn't have anybody else that I would look
to when I was that young andthat new I had been married about three

(09:09):
years, so my husband was amazing. My dad was still around, so
of course, you know, Ilook to my dad and my family,
but beyond that, it's really it'sstill always been my mom, and still
a lot of what I do isbecause of her and her influence. Yeah,
you mentioned the three terms that makeup a big part of your speaking

(09:33):
and your keynote, but you've alsomentioned the term communication quite a bit already
in the first seven and a halfto eight minutes of this conversation, and
so I wanted to dive into thata little bit. You know, I
speak a lot about leadership and reallythat anyone can be a leader, regardless
of your role or your title.So I talk about building trust and how

(09:54):
communication is a big part of that. As a matter of fact, shameless
plug, I have a free coursecalled Unlocking your Leadership Potential, and it
was literally all built around this ideaof building trust and the dos and don'ts
and so so much of what todo and what not to do when it
comes to leadership is around communication andthat aspect of relationship building as well.

(10:18):
And so, what is it,you know, specific to women or not,
what is it that you really wantto get across when it comes to
how to leverage those communications skills andstrategies in that leadership realm. You knows,
as a leader, you're going towork with so many different people,
and if you don't know how tocommunicate and how to adjust the way you

(10:41):
communicate to your different audiences, you'renot going to be successful, you know,
as an educational leader. And asyou mentioned, you don't have to
have a title to be a leader, and even some leaders with titles aren't
leaders. You know. It's theway that you work with one another and
treat one another. So as aneducational leader, I had to work all
the way from my board, allthe way down to the students, to

(11:03):
the maintenance staff, to the legislators, to parents to grandparents, and you
have to be able to change yourmessage every time that you do that.
So one of the biggest things thatI do is I encourage everyone to learn
their communication personality, believe it ornot. And so there are some questions
that describe you, and the onethat you resonate with the most tends to

(11:26):
lend you to identify what kind ofpersonality you are. Are you the lion
so you're very dominant? Are youan otter or a beaver or a Golden
retriever, and the golden retriever isthe friendly you know, doesn't like the
rules and wants to make everybody happy. So if you figure out how you
communicate, and then you can kindof figure out who the person is that

(11:46):
you're communicating with, what animal theyare, you can figure out how your
message is going to be a littlebit better and a little bit more tailored.
Because if you get two people thatare exactly the same in a room,
they might have some challenges with theway that they communicate. They're probably
going to be on target with theirgoals, but how they communicate they both
want to be dominant, whereas ifyou get two Golden Retrievers in there,

(12:07):
you're not gonna get anything done.They're going to want to talk about the
weekend and the plan is for nextyear, and you know all these other
things. It's the fun the fundgroup. So that is one big thing
is figuring out what your personality iswith your communication. The second piece is
realizing and we always talk about verbaland nonverbal. You know, verbal is
seven percent of communication and nonverbal asall the rest, but people forget that

(12:31):
when you're texting or emailing that's onlyseven percent. You're losing the body language,
you're losing, the facial expressions,the voice intonation, everything else you're
losing. And at the same time, even when you text or you message
somebody, how many times do youreally understand what is being said? That

(12:52):
breaks down that message? Even moreso, as we're talking to these leaders,
it is let's not only folks onthe digital messaging. Let's get to
know your folks in person. Youknow, have those walk around the office
so that you get to know whothey are, learn about their family,
get to know who who they arewhenever they're not at work, you know,

(13:13):
spend some time outside of the fourwalls of your office or your institution,
Because when you know somebody as aperson, then you're going to understand
how they communicate best, what messagesthey understand, If they're having some challenges,
they're going to be more likely tospeak with you about them. And
so it's all about that relationship building, but learning the communication process as you

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go along. This podcast is aproud member of the Teach Better podcast Network.
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to the episode. I love somuch of what you said, and I'm

(14:00):
going to pull a few things out, and it's not to take away from
the entire message, but it's justa couple of things really stood out to
me. First, you said somethingabout understanding how to change and adapt your
message according to who you're dealing with, who's in front of you, and
what their communication personality is like.And you know, a lot of my
audience or educators, and some ofthem are still in the classroom, And

(14:22):
it's the same thing with students,right. We call that personalized learning or
differentiated instruction. It's understanding and tappinginto the unique ways that students learn and
learn best. And we used tocall it learning styles. Now it's more
like universal design for learning. Butit's all the same thing, you know,
understanding who you're working with and howto really get the most out of
them. So I really love thatyou said that, and it also reminded

(14:46):
me when you were talking about personalityin community, you know, your communication
personality. When I started getting moreinto educational leadership and when I became a
full time instructional coach, I tooka course that was kind of my first
introduction to the term the growth mindset, and it was discussing basically placing people

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into like four buckets according to reallyhow much of a growth mindset they had,
and it really made me think abouthow I needed to approach people given
their either you know, willingness ortheir reluctance to change and to grow.
And that has served me so wellover the years in terms of, you

(15:30):
know, coaching teachers and working withthem and understanding that sometimes changes is harder
for some than others, and butreally understanding who I'm dealing with. I've
thought less about the communication part ofit, but it is that's something that
I've tried to really keep in mindtoo. You know, as I go,
I was wondering, actually speaking ofthe personality, you know, communication

(15:54):
personalities is their way for people tokind of find out their communication personality.
There is and you reflect on whatkind of Oh sure, yeah, I
mean there's all kinds of little surveysand things that are out there, and
I can't give you the specific nameof it. I wish I could,
but I don't have it in frontof me, But there are things about

(16:15):
your communication personality if you put itout there, then there's going to be
some things that might be different animals, or it might be different adjectives or
you know, descriptors. But it'sreally on a grid axis if you think
about an X Y axis as ifyou're in a math class again, and
I hope nobody has any you know, any stress that really just builds up
when you think about that. Butif you have, you know, if

(16:36):
you're introverted versus extroverted, or ifyou are you know, a thinker versus
a feeler. So those logical analyticaland then those touch touchy feeling types.
So if you put those on agrid and figure out where you are,
that's going to lend yourself to understandwhat grid you're going to be in.
But if you just look up communicationpersonalities and then you put lion, beaver,

(16:56):
otter and golden retriever, I'm surethat you could find it because there's
all kinds of assessments about it.Okay, we'll do I'll do that.
You know, I will tell thelisteners right now too, because we're recording
this a few weeks ahead of time. Between now and the time this episode
comes out, I'll do some researchand my hope is that in the show
notes for this episode, so listeners, you can go to the description of

(17:19):
the episode and I'll have link inthere, but I can send it to
you. I can send it toyou so that you have it. Yep,
we'll link that in the show notesand our listeners can go and find
out what animal they are when itcomes to their communication personality. I love
that. That's really cool. I'mdefinitely gonna look into that myself. Now.
One of the things that we talkeda little bit about on the recording

(17:42):
so far, but a little bitmore even before we hit record, was
the idea of imposter syndrome. AndI think you brought that up again because
it pertains to specifically women that isyour target audience, but you know in
general as well, with a lotof people who are looking to get into
leadership, or maybe when they firstget into leadership, and they kind of

(18:06):
have this feeling of like why me, why am I here? You know,
why am I an expert? ButI was wondering, like, when
you are speaking or when you arecoaching and consulting with let's say women specifically,
what are some ways that they cancombat that feeling of that they're not

(18:26):
enough or they're not enough of anexpert, or they can't compete with the
men in the in the same field. You know, whatever feelings contribute to
that imposter syndrome, how can theyreally get around that? You know,
there are a lot of strategies,and every person has to find their own
strategy as to how they're going toovercome that. But first and foremost is

(18:47):
whenever you're in education, you know, we are so great at focusing on
the policies and procedures, you know, making sure that we onboard people completely
forget about the person themselves. Sowe are so great at saying, okay,
do this, do this, dothis, and oh wow, you're
great at that. Let me putyou in this leadership position with no leadership

(19:07):
training and see how you do.So that is the first challenge, is
that a lot of times we arethrown and when I say We'm using that
loosely, it could be men,women, I mean, old, young,
It doesn't matter. Whenever we areput into a position like that,
you often wonder, oh my gosh, am I prepared for this? I
have no training? How am Igoing to do this? So right away
you're wondering, how did I getin this? Position, and how am

(19:30):
I going to be successful? Soright there at starting. So one of
the best strategies that I've heard,and I just heard this recently and it
came out of a book by JenGottlieb called Be Seen, and it was
just released not too long ago.But her strategy is, whenever you are
having that feeling, you know,get a piece of paper out, write

(19:51):
down the amazing things that you've donein your life. It could be that
you raise two great kids. Itcould be that you know you made it
to all your daughter's days. Itcould be that you know you have a
podcast, it could be that youcreated these online courses, whatever it is.
Write down this list of your amazingness, and then read it out loud

(20:12):
as if you're talking about somebody else. And when you read that, you're
like, oh my gosh, thatperson's pretty cool, and then you realize
it's yourself. You know, youhave done some amazing things in your life.
You know, own it. Makesure that you're your authentic self and
to believe in yourself. And wheneveryou have those moments of I don't know

(20:32):
if I belong here, look atall that you've done, read that list,
post it close, to your deskspace or someplace where you go if
you have these thoughts and refer toit, because then you go, you
know what, I know how todo this. I can do this,
and you start to get a littlebit more confidence. Now at the same
time, whenever you're in a positionand a lot of individuals they say,

(20:55):
oh, I'm going to go inand I'm going to change all these things
and I'm going to do all thesethings, and you're setting yourself up for
failure if you try to do toomuch at the beginning. So I always
encourage folks, you know, findone small thing, feel that success.
Do one more thing, feel thatsuccess, and as you build a little
bit at a time, you're goingto realize that your confidence is building,

(21:21):
your courage is building, and you'rebeing successful at that opportunity. That's really
cool advice. I appreciate that verymuch, and again not just for women,
but for everyone. You know.And some of that question and part
of the conversation stem from the factthat it was me who brought up that
I face imposter syndrome quite a bit, so I really appreciate that. Now.

(21:42):
I have to admit also that whilewe were speaking, I was looking
you up on Amazon because I knowyou're an author, and I'm seeing,
unless there are lots of doctor Stephaniedo Goods out there, I'm seeing some
kind of diverse writings and take usthrough some of the work that you've done
there. It's pretty intriguing, itis. And so it all started again

(22:07):
back to my mom, and I'lldo a quick story about a recipe book
that I have. So I toldyou Mom died in two thousand and one,
and my mother again was this amazingteacher that connected with her students,
and she had this one student thatshe really connected with and the student was
good at typing, and so mymom, unbeknownst to me, gave her
all of her family recipes and gavethem to her to type up well between

(22:30):
the time she gave them and youknow, a few weeks later, Mom
passed away in the car accident.So again I didn't know that the student
had this. Fast forward thirty yearsor twenty years. So this was in
two thousand and twenty one, aftermy thirty year high school reunion, I
got a phone call from one ofmy classmates and said, Hey, somebody

(22:52):
from Dulla's High School where my momtaught is trying to get a hold of
you. She said, she hassomething of your mom's. IS said,
okay, if I give your nueit absolutely, you know, if it's
something of moms, absolutely, Sothe student called me and she said,
I have something of your moms thatI want to give back to you.
I've been holding on to them forall this time because they connected me with
her. Even after she was gone. I was in a bad relationship,

(23:15):
I had a health crisis, Iwas in a negative family atmosphere, and
this just really helped me stay grounded. She goes, but now my cancer's
and remission and I have a greatrelationship with my soon to be spouse,
and so I felt like I couldfinally get rid of these recipes. So

(23:37):
she sent them to me and Iopened them up and they were all these
teacher folders of handwritten recipes of mymoms that I never knew existed. And
so whenever she sent them to me, it just it brought back all of
these emotions. And I actually hada dream one night that I just have
to publish this. I have toput this out there because it just was
a calling that I had to do. So there's a story about it in

(24:00):
the beginning of the book, andit is a one hundred and ninety two
bait page cookbook of over eight hundredrecipes from our family. And my mother
was born in Maryland. My dadwas born in Idaho. His dad was
military, so they moved all overand my dad lived in Italy for a
few years. I grew up inTexas, and so these are recipes from

(24:21):
all over. My grandparents lived inColorado. So you're not going to find
the word microwave in this book becausethey are old fashioned recipes. But that
is one area that you know.I've been on the Kate Delaney Show because
of that book. I've been invitedto go to a whole lot of festivals
for books because of that book.And it's just the story that's behind it
really is what pushes it. Someof the other books that I have,

(24:45):
there are two there called Texas Angelone in Texas Angel Part two, and
those are Texas Angels my mom.And so when I started doing the recipe
book, it got me thinking,and one's about connection and once about life
lessons, and those are small reads. And then while I was writing,
We'll see one that says Dalton,do get on it, which is my
son who said, Mom, you'rewriting a lot. I want to write
a book and I said, Okay, what do you want to write a

(25:07):
book on? And so he wrotea book about his grandpa baseball because his
grandpa introduced him to baseball and livesin Arizona. So that's one that he
wrote and he really did write that. I just helped with some of the
editing. And then the other onethat you'll see is called Dream to Rise,
which is an anthology I did withseveral other authors, and it is
the story of love and loss andthat was the story of my mom and
how I came out of that becauseit was it was very challenging at the

(25:30):
time and what I'm doing now.So those are the different books that you'll
find on Amazon. And I'm inthe process of working on a few others,
as you said you were. Butyeah, but the next one's going
to be about exponentially elevating your impactas a leader. Mine will be of

(25:51):
a similar content as well. Andagain like it's it's probably my imposter's in
Rome. I don't know, it'staught for me to even put out there
because I'm like, what if Idon't actually do it. Then I'm I'm
telling people I'm going to publish abook, and then I don't. But
no, I'm I'm basically my workingtitle is Scope of Influence. You know,
I'm empowering and inspiring growth and successand others. So you know,

(26:15):
a lot of what I've talked aboutfor years now and studied in my doctoral
dissertation. It's similar to to thestuff that you share as well. But
again, well, I will linkthe your author page on Amazon so that
my listeners can find all of yourpublications and hopefully you know, stay in
the know on any future ones thatare coming out as well. As we

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wrap up. I'm just wondering ifthere's anything else that maybe I haven't asked
you or that you wanted to addand share, you know, to to
my audience in terms of leadership andempowering them and overcoming imposter center of anything
that well, if if anybody isinterested, I do have something called fifty
two Week the Courage to Lead.It is a weekly series over the fifty

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two weeks for a year, andevery week you get a one to two
minute video of something about leadership andit goes through you know, developing your
why and determining your purpose and establishingyour vision and goes through communication. And
it's just little nuggets that you cantake each week and it includes a journal
prompt, an affirmation, and apositive quote. And so that is something

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that you can jump on off ofone of my Facebook pages. I tend
to post that on Fridays, sothat if anybody wants to do it,
it's a QR code that can jumpyou into that. But I also love
affirmations. You heard me just saythat. I do have a list of
one hundred and twenty five affirmations foreducational leaders because we always need that to
make sure that our mindset is incheck and to make sure that we're not

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letting that awful imposter syndrome come takeaway our greatness. And so if anybody
wants something of that nature, youknow, you can go to my website.
You can find me on Facebook.I also have a group for women
in leadership or women in education ona Survely Leadership that is on Facebook.
Just look up do Good Leadership andjump on and you'll find quotes there and

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I do all kinds of fun thingsin there. So I would love for
anyone to join that awesome. Well, I'm really glad that we connected,
and I'm so glad to have hadyou on. You know, hopefully my
my listeners, especially my women listenersout there, will you know, join
those groups if they're not already,we will all, you know, start

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reading your stuff and check out,by the way, check out doctor Stephanie's
podcast as well. Just just gotstarted a little well maybe not just got
started, but still relatively new tothe space. We're comparing notes a little
bit beforehand on the podcasting as well. But no, I really appreciate you
coming on and giving us some ofyour time, and it's been really for

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me, really thought for you know, thought provoking and and just getting a
better sentence for what people need tothink about to break into leadership but to
be successful in it as well.So thanks so much. You are so
welcome to That podcast is called EmpoweredWomen in Educational Leadership, so it is
right down the same road of everythingthat we've been talking about. But thank

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