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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Revolutions are not worn through wars, but through intentional and
repeated engagements. Sometimes they start with a protest, then someone
throws a brick, someone sets a fire, Structures are damaged
and then dismantled. It takes not one act of sustained violence,
but rather one battle after another. I'm Ronald Young Jr.
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And I'm leaving the theater. All right. This is Ronald,
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and I am leaving the theater after seeing one battle
after another, one battle after another. Written and directed by
Paul Thomas Anderson, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Benicio del Toro,
Regina Hall, Tiana Taylor, and Chase Infinity and for complete
cast listing, you can go to the link in our
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show notes. I am not here alone. I am here
with John Gullin hell, why have your seatbelt on?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know every time I get in cars, I do
it automatically. I believe my parents.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, Well, I need you to like lead forward and
turn towards me so it's easier to okay. This film
is about a revolutionary like an Antifa organization known as
the French seventy five. It is in some ways led
by Tiana Taylor's character and Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and they
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are basically doing a bunch of revolutionary acts and most
of those acts are illegal, and they run into this
captain who is after them, trying to arrest them, and
he essentially tracks them down, breaks up the organization, scatters
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the organization to the wind. Tiana Taylor is captured and
she is basically turned state's witness and Leonardo DiCaprio and
their child is on the run and they have to
switch their identities and they assume a different life than
it fast forwards the sixteen years later, and that's where
the bulk of the movie is. That's what the film
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is about. We'll try to stay away from spoilers, but
like you know, we do the best we can here.
Jacquelyn Hill, what did you think of this movie?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, first of all, very impressed with your description of
it because it is a thing of like how do
you describe this film?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Because it has a lot going on. What I will
say is I had a really fun time at the movies.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like, if you are looking to have a good time
at the movies, I had a really great time watching this.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh wow, oh wow, that was very sixstincth. I thought
you were going to go longer.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean, there are things to get into, but
we can parse all the little things out.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
For instance, it is not a tight ninety.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No it's not. And this movie's two hours and forty
five slash fifty minutes, and for the most part it
doesn't feel like it. But I mean it does feel
like it's two hours and fifty minutes, like you feel
two hours and fifty minutes. It doesn't matter how good
a movie is, Like it could be Lord of the Rings.
At some point they're just gonna be talking to each
other and you're gonna be like, come on, man, just
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take the ring to mortor this one at some point
in the movie. I think it does very well the
first two thirds of the movie. I do not think.
I think there are too many shaggy ends and loose
pieces towards the end that made it not a perfect
film for me. My new metrics and I mentioned this
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a couple episodes ago, is one rewatchability. This definitely has
a rewatchability. Oh yeah. But the second thing is does
the movie get better as it goes? This one does
to a point.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I would say the last bit like It's interesting you
talk about the shaggy ends, because I think what they
were trying to do was wrap up a lot that
did not need to be wrapped up, and I think
it would have been better off if they had just
like ended at a certain point. I think it was like, Okay,
this what's next, and it's like, we kind of don't
need what's next here. We don't like the audience is
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m the audience is smart enough, they don't need this
much handholding.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I felt the same way. I also felt like towards
the end they were there were parts that it felt
it was an unsatisfying ending for me, and I'm still
trying to figure out exactly how to articulate that. But
it has something to do with the fact that I
wasn't sure who was missing, Like there were people, there
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were people that were like gone that I didn't understand
if their absence was relevant to the film anymore or what.
At some point it got shaggy enough that I started
to think, is this unwinding now? And because they started
explaining things, I thought to myself, why are we getting
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Why do we care about this person's ending? Like you said,
why do we care about this person's ending, and then
at some point and I thought, what was I was
unsure of the messaging at that point, so I kind
of felt I don't know, I just didn't feel quite
satisfied towards the end, which for me, knocked it down
a little bit in the score.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, all right, No, I can totally see that, because
now that I'm thinking about it, there are two actors
in this movie who gave very good performances. But I
am a little bit like, now that you say that,
what did happen to them?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I would like to know. I'm worried about one of them.
I'm real worried about one of them.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Which one Regina? Oh yeah, yeah again, Hey girl, where
you're at? Yeah? That felt very I mean not only that,
I felt like there was a lot that Leonardo DiCaprio,
if he's not involved in this film, in a lot
of ways, it's still the same movie, which I don't know.
He does a very remarkable performance in this film. I
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think this is his best movie I've seen him in
a while. Like I didn't really enjoy him and Kill
the Flower Moon, I didn't really enjoy him. And once
upon a time in Hollywood, The Revenant was just difficult
to watch. I'll never watch that film again, but I
really I watched this and he was okay in The
Wolf of Wall Street. Other people really liked it. I
wasn't a huge fan, but I enjoyed him in this.
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I thought he was fun and funny, and he had
a bit of range, but in a lot of ways,
he felt like he was just along for the ride,
and I wondered if that was intentional.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think this is some of the most fun I've
seen him have in a movie, and I think that's
why I enjoyed it. Like the performances were serious, they
played them straight, but I could tell that the actors
were having a ball making this movie.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I agree with that. I think there's not one. I mean,
even Wood Harris, like everybody was. Everybody was having a
great time in this film. Alana Hiam is in this
movie and she's she's having a good time, like she
was really clocked in for work. All of the actors
clocked in for work. It's a well written movie. I
like the way that it looks. I like the way
that it looks on the IMAX screen. I thought that
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was great. Even the credits they did in old style.
It didn't scroll. They were just like there were those
credits that just switched frames from one to the other,
which was I thought was excellent. So there's a lot
of parts of this that I thought were really good.
But I'd like to leave a movie feeling satisfied, even
if I don't see the top fall. In inception, I
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felt satisfied at the ending because no matter what reality
he was in, he was with his kids.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I think I'm glad you mentioned the IMAX thing.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
There was the shot of the desert, and it was
this very long shot and there are these two characters
on screen. It's very wide, you see the sky, you
see the mountains, and when that happened, I just took
a minute, like, yes, we're looking at these subjects in
the middle, but I took a minute to look at
the entire screen and the vastness of it, and that
was the moment that I was like, oh, yeah, this
should have been IMAX, because we talked a little bit
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about how some movies should not be imax, but they are.
I do think it made use of IMAX.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I think they want people to use more IMAX
screens like theaters do because they get more money for
those those tickets are more expensive. Uh, but this one,
like this one feels this one feels like it justifies
its IMAX existence in a way that I thought was effective.
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I mean overall. I mean, and I thought Tianna Taylor
was fine, Like I thought she was. It didn't feel
like she was acting.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
She didn't play the role I thought she was gonna play.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What did you think she was gonna play.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I thought it was gonna be like, oh, this loving mother,
and then something happens and and she she's a.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Bad person in this movie.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, Like she's kind of awful, and it's kind of
nice to seeing women be awful, which, like I think
also gets me to a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'm very glad that I saw this when I did.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And I think if you go see this movie, you
should see it early because there's gonna be lots of
conversations had about it, and they're gonna get kind of
exhausting and worn out over time, just because of the
nature of the movie, like all the things that it
touches on, Like it gets into racism, it gets into immigration.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think it even does this really.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Like kind of funny tongue in cheek critique of like
left on left critique where there's this moment where it's like,
are you really picking at me?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right now? There's stuff we gotta work on. Why are
you doing this litmus test?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And I think it was really smart and funny, But
I think the way conversation happens on the internet, a
lot of that is gonna get lost and it's not
gonna be as fun to watch if you don't watch
it when it's out early.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I agree. I think so this episode comes out on
a Monday. If you're listening to this on Monday and
you haven't seen the movie yet, turn off everything, don't
go to the websites. Just listen to this podcast and
go watch the movie. Like, just go watch the movie.
I think if you go watch the movie, you'll be
able to have like an informed opinion about it without
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necessarily falling into the traps of the thousand thing pieces
that are about to come out about this. I don't
even know what's gonna happen on threads. I know they're
going to talk about it on Threads. I don't know
what's gonna happen there. But yeah, with all of that
being said, what do you rate this movie? Out of
five stars?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I'm gonna give this movie a rating I've never given before.
I'm gonna give it all five.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Nice I really like.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It was by no means perfect, but I really had
a good time. Like I was like, oh, it's gonna
be overhyped, like what's it going to be? And then
there's like all these other you know things that it
touches on.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But I enjoyed it. I had a great time.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm probably gonna tell all of my friends, all the
homies to go see this.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I was this was a five star movie the first
two thirds, and then a lot of things started happening
that made me say, this is not a five star
movie I feel. And then when the ended, I felt
very unsatisfied, which is the only requirement for me to
meet for me to give it five stars. Like that's
been my new thing, is why don't movie get five stars?
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If I'm satisfied at the end, they can be imperfect
and still be a five star movie. This one dropped
quite a bit. It dropped down to four point twenty five.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Ooo, that last third, you were not And you know
what I understand. I when the mic goes off, I'm
gonna ask the exact point, but I think especially towards
the very end, I too.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Was like, well, why is this happening? Do I need that?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I feel like there's a lot of this this movie
accompt for this movie is No Country for Old Men,
and No Country for Old Men felt it felt upsetting
but very satisfying at the ending in a way that
it felt consistent from the beginning to end. And I've
gotten into an argument with my boy about this film,
which is just at the writing of of No Country
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for Old Men, because I thought it was but again,
the ending is so satisfying and so consistent with the
rest of the movie that it felt like, Yeah, let's
let's go ahead and close this out. So this one
I didn't feel quite the same. But it is one
of the best movies of twenty twenty five, and it
is going to be in the Oscar conversations, and honestly,
depending on how they market this, I think Leonardo DiCaprio
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is about to get another Oscar. To be honest, I
don't know, and I know Sean Penn is going to
get nominated. So I feel like there's those are the
two performances for me that stand out the most in
this film. Chason Finniti might get nominated for supporting, Tianna
Taylor might get nominated for supporting, but what And even
even Regina Regina Hall did fine, she wasn't on screen enough.
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I don't think, and I think, and I think Benicio
del Toro did a great job in this film. Like
I wanted more of him. I really wanted more of him.
I would watch a spinoff movie with what he was doing,
because that was very entertaining.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And that's another thing, like when this movie comes out, y'all,
there's gonna be a new cycle.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
See it while you can, see it while you can,
and that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, that's true, because this one, yeah, actually, don't wait,
don't wait. Yeah, And with that, leaving the theater is
a production of Oh It's Big. Ron Studios. I mixed
this episode and I'm working hard. I'm working very very hard.
This is my second press screening in a row. I
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had one yesterday and I watched The Smashing Machine, which
won't come out until next week. And then I came
back today. Tell them about the chair and the chair.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So we sat down in the seat and Ronald realized
that the.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Arm thing was up from the last time.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
He was, There's that is the work this man is
putting into this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's right. I put the arm of the chair up
and Johnquolin sat down and put it down. I was like,
I don't one who put that up. That's wild. No
one has sat here or moved this arm since yesterday.
But that's I'm spending that much time in the theater
so that y'all can listen to my opinions on movies,
so I can force my opinion on movies to you.
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Thanks for having me, Thanks for sitting in the car.
Yeah air conditioning, Yeah, it's nice in here.