An Interview with an Ex-Vampire-LET'S GET JACKED UP!

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Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, hello everyone, Happy Halloween, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
This is Tim and of Let's get jacked up and
Jacked Up Daily and this is going to be the.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Full interview of an ex vampire. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
This morning we did at Jacked Up Daily and I
was thirty minutes of this interview.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
But tonight you're gonna hear the full interview of the
ex vampire. And it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now for those Christians out there that say, you know,
let's just hide away in the basement, turn off the lights.
We're not home. Trick or treaders could just go and
ring the doorbell, but we won't answer. That's fine if
you choose to do that. My mom chose to do that.
That's you know, that's one way to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But for those that think that Halloween was.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Originally a bad holiday, an evil holiday, well guess what
my buddy, Johnny, the owner of Fringe Radio Network dot com,
he thinks otherwise. And before we get started with tonight's interview,
I want to let you guys hear what Johnny had

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to say.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And if he's right, if he's correct on this, then guess.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
What we should be talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
The martyrs exactly what he's saying in this clip. So
here's Johnny and what he thinks about Halloween.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
The original All Hallows Eve, that was the eve before
All Saints Day, which is the first of November. So
in the original version of All Hallows Eve, what they
would do is they would have a big feast and
they because it was you know, the fall harvest, so
they had all their food there from you know, harvest,

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So they would have a big feast and then they
would sit around telling stories about the martyrs. And that's
why it had a scary element to it, because those
stories are scary. I mean, you know, back in Rome,
you know the original martyrs, they would put them on
they had they had this one of these things they
had was a wood stove that was a throne. It

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was a chair, an iron chair on top of an
iron wood stove, and they'd strap them to it and
start up the fire and then they would roast them
in that chair. And that's the kind.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Of stories they would tell.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
After they had their feast, they'd sit around telling stories
of the martyrs, the martyrs and how they died and stuff,
and the things they said before they died and all
this stuff. And that's where it got its really scary element.
That turned into like you know, ghost stories and all
kinds of you know.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Scary stuff. But that's where it came from. And nobody
knows that.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's just so weird.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I mean, I'm like the only one that I've ever
known that knows that. And that's like, why don't people
know that? So anyway, there's all these holidays we have.
They're Christian holidays, most of them Easter, Halloween, well, there's
a number of other Christmas. They're all Christian holidays and anyway,
So and the ecclesia, the church members, the church body

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has the power to declare to bind calendar days. And
we know that from the Feast of Purim in the
Old Testament, where the nation of children of God established
a feast day and God approved of it.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So anyway, now again, if Johnny is right, then we
should kind of bring back the stories of the Christian martyrs.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think that'd be a great idea.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't you think that'd be cool? But anyways, I just
want to let you guys hear that side you.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Know of Well it's hallowe so evil.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well maybe it wasn't originally, and maybe it just got
that way. But regardless, regardless of what you think of
Halloween or not, I want you to hear this.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Full interview with an ex empire. Enjoy Let's get Jacked
Up Halloween style.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Coming to you live from a pre recorded studio somewhere
in Fresno, California. It's Let's get jacked up, Sinners Saved
by Grace.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Now Here are the hosts of this episode, Tim, maybe, Jack,
Bobby and Karen.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
We just never know anymore, all right, and welcome to
Let's get Jack.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And jacked up Daily. Hello everybody, My name is Tim Parrish.
How is everybody? How are everybody? I'm excited because today
on the show, we have a special guest, Jack, and
she is an ex vampire kind of lady. And I
never heard of us such a thing as far as

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what she's going to be talking about, and I don't
believe we've ever had one on the show. Infact I
know we haven't, So I'm excited about that today, Jack.
And with us today is Teresa Hamilton, and she the
author of a book called The War for My Name,
which is available on Amazon. She's from Chester, West Virginia,
where she resides with her husband and son, and she

(07:12):
is you like this part, Jack. She is a Bible
nerd and a sound engineer at her church. How about that, Teresa?
For those of maybe your friends that are listening and
those who have never heard of Let's get jacked up
or jacked Up Daily before. We are a podcast on

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the Fringe Radio network, and this network has all kinds
of fringy stuff, so we thought, you know what, this
is definitely a fringy worthy topic. And so let's dive into,
Oh man, the accult that you were a part of
what drew you to the accault and how God saved you.

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So I guess we'll start for where you want to go,
because this is your testimony, not ours. So what happened
to you?

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (08:05):
So what I ended up getting involved in, and I'll
share what how I got there was psychic vampirism.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
M psychic vampirism, yes? Is that?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So?

Speaker 9 (08:21):
That would be basically it's an occult practice that where
someone believes that they can draw life force or energy
or like emotional energy from others to strengthen themselves.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know, I may have heard of something like that
way back on our bell remember our bell on East
of the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
He was.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Too young, but anyway, I think he did talk about
something like that.

Speaker 9 (08:50):
But go on, sorry, I mean, and I want to
make sure people understand that when I talk about psychic vampirism,
there's another term called energy vampirism, which is often discussed
in like psychological like terms, you know, And what that
is is like basically the person is just an energy drain,

(09:12):
you know, Like I'm sure people have come across energy
vampires before, because it's just that kind of person that
every time you spend time with them, they're just like
so negative and like a drain on on your life
that you just like kind of are exhausted after you've
spent time with them.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
Well, that's why I say it's different.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
I need to determine. I needed to explain that psychic
vampism and energy vampism are two different things, because you know,
if you define energy vampism as someone who sucks the
life out of.

Speaker 8 (09:50):
Your out of the party, that's different.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
Then my seven year old would argue that I still
practice that, you know, very good fun sucker, you know,
take fun.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
On that movie not Dinner Down, that movie Father the
Bride or something. Steve Martin, they call him the party pooper. Yeah,
every party, George Banks, you know, every.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
Part has a poop. But that's a he invite the.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Everybody has a pop.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
But that's for me and either George Bob.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
So that is not what we're talking about. What we're
talking about is a more intentional, ritualistic practice of drawing
life for certain emotional energy from other people, so like
it starts kind of feeling. And what I thought I

(10:50):
was practicing at first was kind of like meditation and
visualization and just kind of basic energy work. But it quickly,
very quickly developed into this vamporism aspect of it. I
was intentionally trying to draw from other people and instead

(11:15):
of just like grounding myself, you know, it was more
pooling from other people.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
So you would you would have targets that you would
do this too.

Speaker 9 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean I had partners too, like I was
also so note I was bisexual at the time, so
I had a girlfriend and we were practicing this together.
So we did a lot of stuff like together. But
then also like I learned to like siphon quote siphon

(11:44):
energy from like just being in proximity to people. With her,
it was more like eye contact, touch that kind of thing,
you know. But with other people, I would just like
draw from the energy in the room kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
And if the.

Speaker 9 (12:00):
Energy that well, and this is where I say this,
where it really delves into like a witchcraft explanation of it,
is the fact that I would intentionally like cause drama,
like if there wasn't enough energy in the room, I
would make the energy whatever way possible, you know, And

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sometimes that was starting a fight between two people, you know,
Like yeah, like but I would do it in purpose
so that way I could feed off the energy. The
other thing that the reason why it's important for Christians
to understand this stuff is Like another thing I would
do is I would go to like charismatic Christian concerts

(12:44):
and stuff because of the energy. Like I would go
to like and I would go to other concerts too,
Like I went to a couple of other concerts like
secular concerts and stuff too. I would go into a
church and feed off of that energy, you know, be
a back seat heathen, you know, in the back, you know,
and just kind of take it all in.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I was going to ask you about that about concerts
because you know, like the lead man or a lead
person in a concert, would he be one of those
because he would he would probably take the energy from
the crowd, would they not?

Speaker 8 (13:18):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (13:19):
Absolutely, I'm not and I'm not saying every you know
person's but it is that same kind of feeling, you know,
when you get on a stage and you.

Speaker 8 (13:26):
Feel that crowd.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, like you.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
Know, and you kind of feed off you know, we
when you're not a vampire. You're you're saying, you're just
playing off that energy to perform, well, you know, but
it is very much close to that. Wow, is what
I would feed off of And the reason that we've
fed though, was to store energy for deeper practices, so

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like like a bigger, a big thing that I was
really into his astral projection.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Wow, I've heard of this.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
And so I would use I would store up energy
so that I had more energy to use to further
my astral projection exploration.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
For those that don't know what that is astral projection,
to correct me if I'm wrong, please, but that is
leaving your body and going into I guess a spirit
realm and seeing your body, say on the bed or something.
I don't know how that's honestly, I don't know how
that's possible. But I've heard many people say that they've
done that.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And I've experienced it. You have, oh yeah many times? Well, yeah,
I know when I was in a lot of times.
It's taken hard drugs to do it. But I consider
it close to death as you could get. And I
when when I was in the hospital with thirty degree

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burns all over my back and my neck and my arms,
and they had I was an oxygen tent. They had
me on more heavy, heavy morphine and I was so bad.
I joked at people I was watching sesame Street on
the ceiling and things like that. I mean, it was
super heloucinogenic. But at one time, you know how, you

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know how when your heart monitor goes off or whatever
it is, the nurses all run in and trying to,
you know, do whatever they got to do. Too. Well,
I came, I came, literally came out of my body,
and I was watching the entire scene as an observer
from above and what they were doing and everything else,
and uh, and what was really crazy is I is

(15:39):
if if you look to the left, when I look
to the left or to the right, I could see
other the other other spirits and stuff in there in
that realm. They I don't know if they shocked me
or what they did, but they, whatever it is, sucked
me back into my body.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And yeah, but it's so you're talking about, Teresa, You're
talking about purposely coming out of your body. Doing that on.

Speaker 9 (16:06):
Purpose, it was you had to like a lot of
people did use like drugs, hallucinogenics and stuff to do that.
And I never really messed with that stuff. I learned
to do it through just meditation practices and stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, yeah, naturally and yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:24):
Which was probably should have been a longer process. But
you have to understand too that before all of this,
I had an encounter with God himself when I was
three years old, and a really supernatural encounter with God, and.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
It was very clear that there was a high calling
all my life.

Speaker 9 (16:47):
And from an early age I was known as like
my mom calls it, being a seer, and I could
discern spirits and everything. So I've always had like this,
the high awareness of supernatural, of the spirit, well a
gift alternative sense, yeah, but also I have the gift

(17:12):
of prophecy and wisdom and knowledge, you know. So that
kind of all coupled together made me a pretty high
value target, you know, for the for the enemy, you know.
So I think that's a big part is to why
I ended up into this stuff. But also because of
those spiritual gifts that I've had, it made actual production

(17:37):
pretty easy for me.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
I got pretty good at it.

Speaker 9 (17:42):
I got to the point where not only was I
out of my body, I could travel up to five miles.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
Away from my house.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's what I was going to ask you, like, because
I've heard people that they could go far away and
some can't. So yeah, I don't know why that is.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
I got to where I was like basically roaming around
my neighborhood and area for and I could be out
for hours and have no well, it felt it felt
like hours, but when I like look at the clock
when I came back out of it, it had only been
like an hour or so.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Were you ever nervous that you couldn't get back into
your body?

Speaker 9 (18:17):
There was a couple of times where I felt like
I was being blocked from coming back in, Like I
couldn't get up my road. It was like almost like
when you're starting a car, or like an old car
trying to get it up a hill and you have
to like get a running start to get up the hill.
That's kind of how I felt like I couldn't get

(18:37):
up the hill. And then I would just get in
the hill, and when I got back in my body,
I was like out of breath, freaking out.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
You know, Like, so there was.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Did you did you become addicted to this out of
body experience? And because you know, yeah, because I noticed
that there were times when you know, I would be
sleeping and.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
I would travel and and then it was it was
so real, and I would travel and then I would
wake back up and look at the clock and it
just be a short period of time.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
But I became addicted to it for a period of
my life where I would literally want to go to
sleep so I could experience it some more, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, and it sounds dangerous, but I've never done that purpose.

Speaker 9 (19:28):
Well, it was very dangerous. Like that's why there was
like certain rituals and practices I did to prep for
sessions and stuff, like different groundings and like drawing a
circle and stuff. And a lot of the times, like
if I was going to do deep work, I would
have my girlfriend at the time like sit with me,

(19:52):
like in the room with me.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (19:54):
Is that way if she noticed anything like going on
with my body, like where like my heart rate was
going up too high, or I was tossing and turning
or something, you know, she could pull me out of back.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Can I interject the Bible verse here because I think
that we need to harness some of the spirit in
this and I know this is it says because of
the signs. This is in Revelations thirteen, verse fourteen, and
this is talking about the beast. But what I want
you to do is hear the content, okay, And it

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says because of the signs he was given power to
do on behalf for the first be he deceived the
inhabitants of the earth. And I think that I think
that movies, TV shows, all this stuff is a is
all controlled as a mechanism to separate it from God.

(20:59):
I believe it all government is the same. And they're
all worked for the Eve one. They're all in power
to become a global worship center for Dana Christ in
the end. And I've told Tim that every president that's
been in America has etched the bar a little bit closer,
created a law or an act of executive order that

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has moved the pen closer to a one world government
to worship them little uh. And and I believe that witchcraft.
And I used to be a carot card reader. I
mean I actually read people's fortunes and and I could
tell them their past. This is a power that was
given to me by a dark entity that I didn't
real you know, you're told that there's a difference between

(21:45):
white witches and dark witches, you know, and and I
and so when you're there are actually people that tell
their fortune tellers that are palm readers that they believe
they're doing it for the good. And and I believe
that that's part of the deception. And like your situation,

(22:07):
it was your situation is part of the deception. That
that and the power was given by the able, you know.
And that's what I was saying. That's why this Bible
person stepped out of me.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
Right Yeah.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
And and one of the things too is like I
want to touch base about like how I got started
in all of this and and and it's wild because
like I said before, I think I mentioned that, you know,
I had like really powerful supernatural encounters with Jesus when
I was a kid, and so like Jesus himself revealed

(22:45):
himself to me, like it was very real for me,
like from three three years old. And you know, some
question like once you've seen Jesus himself, how do you
fall away from that? Well, just ask the Israelites because
like I mean, if you've read the.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Old Testament, how many times.

Speaker 9 (23:07):
They co astray after some crazy encounter, you know? And
they still go astray?

Speaker 10 (23:15):
Right.

Speaker 9 (23:16):
So, like the part of our human conditions to tend
or without Christ, we are headed towards rebellion, And as
Numbers says, rebellion is the twin of witchcraft, Like it's
it's the same, it's one of the same.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know what, if you could expand on that, because
I heard you say that on another podcast before rebellion
say that again, rebellion is.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
A twin to witchcraft.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Wow, very interest I like how you.

Speaker 9 (23:48):
Put they are one and the same, where you do
not see one.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
Without the other.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Rebellion is rebellion. Yeah, you're going.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
To see witchcraft involved. Full witchcraft, You're gonna see rebellion involved.
Like you can't separate the two.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
So you can't have witchcraft without rebellion first, is that
what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (24:12):
Yes, but also if you rebel long enough, it's going
to lead you to wedgecraft. Just look at the Israelites again, like,
look all through his biblical history, which makes the rebel
and then it led them to worshiping idols and witchcraft.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I like that. That's profound.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I like it.

Speaker 9 (24:32):
I like that it was that's not my original thought.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, so sorry, that's actually.

Speaker 8 (24:41):
Uh, that was actually Derek Prince that said that.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
But oh Derek Prince with those uh he wrote books too.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
Yeah, he's uh, he's been a great help for me
understand the biblical perstructive of world this stuff, So to
get into this stuff, like what what got me into this?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Was?

Speaker 9 (25:04):
Actually like I don't know if you ever I'm sure
each did, like those childhood games.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Oh like what there's a thing where you call bloody
Mary or something in the mirror.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah, that kind of stuff. But it wasn't It wasn't
really that because I knew. I kind of knew not
to do that one because I was like that to me,
sounds like you're definitely summoning a demon, right.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
Right.

Speaker 9 (25:33):
Never touch a weedy board, Not in my entire life,
because like I'm telling you, there were times when I
was a kid, when I was an even when I'm
an adult, I can tell if there's a weedy board
in the house.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Really.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
The same with terror carts, Like I've immediately recognized when
those things are in the house, especially if they've been used.
Because I had a friend that I went to her
house and it was like I and I asked her, like,
I'm in her living room, hadn't gone into her bedroom

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at all, never seen her bedroom where she has this stuff.
And I was like, and I was like really uncomfortable.
It's like heym does your mom or do you practice
tarot card readings, and she just how did you know that?
And I was just like it was just a hunch,
so I said, because I'm just like, because I didn't

(26:27):
want to reveal, like, hey, I can kind of sense
those things when they're present, I didn't want to, but
I was just like, this is definitely a house that
has those things, because I just felt it, like I
could just sense it. But one of the things, you know,
we have to realize what the era was. This was

(26:50):
the early two thousands. It was the wild West of
the world Wide Web. You know, yeah, with chat rooms
and you know, al chat and yautoo chat and all
of those things and all the like I don't know
if you remember how many like there was.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like forums like yeah, relatively new new ish.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Yeah, and and so like ironically, I started on this
website called Christian Forms, which was like this probably this
forums room for like a bunch of Christians and.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Stuff and different topics and stuff.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
And and then it developed into somehow I found forms
for like sexual stuff, and like I don't know, I
like there was like I don't know how I got
where I was on the internet. It was just like
That's why I said, it was the Wild West. I
just kind of went on a journey and I ended
up where I was. Yeah, and I can't even find

(27:55):
those sites anymore because they don't exist, you know, Like
I can't even like try to remember what they were
becau because like it's so far gone. But one of
those things, one of my friends online was talking about
automatic writing, and I was like, that's interesting, you know, Like,

(28:15):
so me and my friend were fooling around like we
were about fourteen, but no I was I was fifteen,
she was about thirteen, and we were we were like, Okay,
let's try it, you know, and she's like, no, you
do it? No, how you do it? You know, like
the whole you know, back and forth. And so I
decided to do it, which was mistake number one. Actually

(28:39):
that was not the mistake. Mistake number one was logging online,
but that led to me doing an automatic writing session
and it really creeped both of us out because it
was saying it got to the point where I just
kept and this is what really gets creepy knowing what
I got into was I kept writing the word blood

(29:02):
over and over again, and then I kept saying die
that hit tie yes, And my friend like pulled the
page out of from me, got me out of it.
But then later that night she's the one that ended
up oppressed, possessed, however you want to call it, influenced
by a demon. She started freaking out, crying, walking around

(29:26):
the room, pacing around the room, and then she went
outside and she was and it's two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
I'm like, it's gonna get me in trouble.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
You're outside, keep picking here, and she just said get
away from me in a voice that was not hers,
and I was, and then presented itself to where I
saw it, and I was like, yep.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
Time to get my mom.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
And so I went upstairs, confessed, confessed like word, vomit,
all everything that had happened, and my mom rolled out
of it, and she dealt with the demon and told
us that if we ever do anything so stupid again,
she's gonna spank my rear instant care how.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Old I was, so no. Just for those that may
not know what is automatic writing, I've heard of it.

Speaker 9 (30:20):
So basically, it's like you you like, meditate and empty
yourself and then you know, supposedly you're what happened. What
some people believe is it's your subconscious rites whatever it
comes to mind. But you know what, the way I
was doing it was, we were fooling around with this,

(30:43):
this idea of letting whatever spirit was in the house,
like a ghost or whatever, and to write through me.
Because I lived in an old house at the time too,
like like it was like from eighteen ninety five or something.

(31:03):
It was, so it was an old house. So there's
a spirit here, I want to talk to it, you know.
I thought it was funny, and.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I've heard of I've heard of popular bands band members
actually do that where they just hold onto a pen
and basically just let whatever spirit takes over them write
the lyrics and then that's how they come up with
the song. It's like, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, you know, I I have an interjection here. You know,
it's a lot of people don't understand because as generations
go by, God gave us a gift of forgiveness, forget forgetfulness.
We can forget things that are are ugly to us,
that are scary to us, that are that are information

(31:48):
that we don't understand that we need to hang on
to that kind of thing. And one of the things
that has forgotten over time been forgotten is that because
we have funerals and because we have uh someone kind.
When somebody dies in our home dies, whether they're at
the hospital or they're at their home, there's somebody that

(32:10):
takes the body and they and then they and then
they deal with it away from the house and they
deal with it, whether it's a cremation or whether it's
a burial or funeral, whatever that happens. But back in
the day, and it's depicted on many of the Christmas
movies about you know, uh tiny Tin and stuff where

(32:33):
he passes away and his dad he's in the up
his dad has him in the upper room. And back
in the day, they when people would die, they would
they would leave them in their room for a period
of time while everything and people would visit the body,
you know, in the in the existing house. They would

(32:54):
sometimes they would even move them down to a center
place in the home and have them for displayed. There
was in other words, they didn't remove the body and
take it to another place thereby kind of pulling the
spirit along. They let it sit there and simmer and release,
And is what I'm trying to say. And we don't

(33:15):
know what took place at that time. You know, the
Bible talks about when demons are cast out the vessel
the human, the housing is left empty and cleansed, and
if and if and if the Holy Spirit is not

(33:35):
requested to come in, if it's if the Holy Spirit
is not entered into that person, then then it can
be defiled seven times seven demons stronger than the ones
before can enter in. And what we're talking about here,
what I hear is that you empty your vessel and
then you invite this spirit in. And the spirit who

(33:57):
knows how many how many people have been lying dead
in these homes that are eighteen hundreds their early nineteen hundreds,
you know, And so it's like an opening a door
for evil.

Speaker 9 (34:12):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's why it's like when I hear
about these little kids games, it's like, no, they're not
kids games, like you know.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, even Disney, after talking to you, even I went
on I was on Disney and Disney Channel and they
had they have You can't. I don't know if you
need to count the number of vampire, vampurial of evil,
dark children's shows that all make it look fun.

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Yeah, and it's and that's the thing is like the
Hollywood version of vampires. Well, it's definitely like not what
is usually practice.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now.

Speaker 9 (34:53):
I know there are like some subcultures of vampism that
actually did blood letting as their practice, but it wasn't.
Most of us were more on the psychic energy vampism spectrum.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Oh yeah, you know, you feed on certain things and
the Bible. I was reading a Bible verse where it
says that it's almost basically it says, I try, I
got to find it here. I don't want to quote
misquote it, but it says that drinking the consuming the
blood of even an animal. Yeah, life right. So you

(35:37):
know we're seeing a massive amount. I don't know how
you stand on abortion. I know I'm against it, but
but the fact that we're harvesting body parts and harvesting
stem cells, and we have all kinds of Hollywood and
other places are known for making what they call them
tim blood pies from babies blood. So you haven't you

(36:02):
have an innocence. The most innocent creature that that human
can be is a newborn baby, okay, an unborn baby. Okay.
And and uh and you see this depicted on movies.
You talk about the timeline of when you started this stuff. Well,
that that kind of coincides with whole Harry Potter series. Okay,

(36:24):
and uh and uh Harry Potter voldemont Is is is
drinking the blood of a unicorn, and the character in
the movie says that it is a high crime to
kill something so innocent and and and drinking its blood

(36:46):
will give you a half life. It will give you
some life that will give you a half life, a
curse life, but it will be a life. And I
think that people get addicted to that half life, you know,
that curse life, and so they continue. And I got
to be honest with you, I think that some of
it's pure pressure. Some of it's wanting to be wealthy.

(37:06):
You play the game, you get wealthy, rich, fame, all
that stuff, and so you know, it's it's no wonder
that so many Christians that are in Hollywood are coming
out and saying it's basically a pedophile ring, you know.
But anyway, continue, I think that this is a very
interesting knowing the differences that there's there's actually levels.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
Yeah, and I think I'm.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
I think also what I didn't know until actually kind
of reading up, because when I present this stuff, you know,
it was fifteen years ago for me, So like, I
don't want to, like, even though I'm way out of
it and totally against that community, I don't want to
misquote things, you know. So I wanted to look into

(37:57):
make sure like I'm just being factual about some things
and no, and for this interview, and uh, I was
looking and what I uncovered was that what I was
practicing was actually a offshoot of Satanism.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (38:16):
And I was like, whoa, because.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
That adds a whole another level of this, a generational level.
Because I think my mom would be okay with me.
I've already kind of told her that I was going
to mention this is the generational thing is because my
mom when she was a teenager was involved in Satanism, and.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
So late maybe you had a maybe you jumped past
the blood thing and went right to the spirit spirit.

Speaker 9 (38:47):
Maybe, But I just it's just like it seems interesting
to me that it was of the same.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Type of well, you know, that's actually that's actually biblical,
you know. And I've read this to Tim before. It
says that that that God can hold you accountable for
generations of sins to your father's and mother's parents, whatever,
for generations. So it inflicts the next generation, as you're saying.

Speaker 9 (39:18):
And that's why it's like an important, important part of
my work now is general working through generational curses and
breaking them and amen, helping people do that.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
But hallelujah, I believe you know, and and yeah, go continue.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
So back to where I was at is because of
my supernatural experiences as a kid and like being able
to see spirits and everything.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
I kind of got addicted.

Speaker 9 (39:47):
To that, you know, to the to the thrill of
seeing a demon, to the thrill of encountering an angel,
to the thrill of just having some kind of supernatural encounter.
And so that kind of really he pulled me in to.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
There's kind of an ego too, right, Yeah, you have
this that you have the it's like somebody having access
to you know, Harry, I will use Harry Potter Agan.
He's a poor kid, you know, downtrodden. His parents are killed,
h He's got to live with family that hates him
and doesn't want him around. And then all of a sudden,

(40:23):
he's a millionaire. He's got a vault full of gold
left by his parents and this vast amount of magic power.
You know, this kid comes into everything overnight. You know,
and he's like, and when the when the lady on
the train comes by and says, hey.

Speaker 12 (40:37):
Would you guise like a treat Ron Weasley holds.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
He says, no, that'll be okay. And he's got his
little homemade thing there and Harry said, pulls off these
gold coins. He says, oh, we'll take a lot right
in that kind of and that kind of what it is.
You know. I remember as a kid myself, I stole
twenty dollars out of my mom's purse and I went
to school because I never had My mom would never
buy me, you know, give me money to go to

(41:01):
the to buy ice cream in the hot sun. We
had this little store at school where you could buy
a tree, a candy, ice cream or whatever, and my
mom would never I never had any money for it.
And I watched all these rich kids and everything, and
they had money. And so one day I just stole
it was a twenty or fifty or what out of
my mom's burst, and I went. I bought everybody candy, okay,

(41:23):
and and I was so happy that I could do
this for all these people. But at the same time,
it's like, look at me, I have the ability to
do this, you know.

Speaker 9 (41:34):
Yeah, and ego definitely played a part in it, because
once my parents got divorced at around thirteen, I started
kind of living a double life.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
Like I was the.

Speaker 9 (41:45):
Goody two shoes Christian girl, you know, leader of my
worship band for my youth group, kind of.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
A oh Tim yeah, like you know Tim, Tim was
raised a Chris.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
I had, Yeah, I had like to.

Speaker 9 (42:09):
Garage band, you know, worship bands, you know, my first one.
I joke that it was more of an orchestra because
I hadn't learned to say no to people. So even
if they didn't have a whole lot of talent, like
sure you can be part of the band.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know.

Speaker 13 (42:24):
You know.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
So I had all that going on out in public,
but out behind closed doors, I was dealing with sexual addiction,
with with depression, with just a lot of It's like
I put on this good face that I was like confident,
kind of confident in myself and stuff. I mean, I

(42:52):
still kind of played off as being shy and kind
of weird kid, but as most artists are labeled as,
you know, kind of the weirdo. Yeah, but the kind
of cool weirdo. That and it was a small pond,
big fish, small pond kind of thing, you know, Like
youth group was kind of a small pond, like there's

(43:13):
twenty kids.

Speaker 8 (43:13):
There, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So you mentioned that you were a youth group and
all this. So did you grow up as a Christian
or as a believer?

Speaker 8 (43:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (43:22):
Yeah, all all through my life. Like that's the thing
is like God, Jesus everything. It was never not real
to me, you know. But it took a while for
me to get to the point where I fully submitted
to God is my Jesus is my Savior. Took a
quite a few side steps and backsteps and coming back.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
And you said your mom dealt with the demon, So
did she? She must have been a believer as well.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yes she was.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
And uh, what it really came down to was like
I living this this split life like I was behind
closed doors. I was still like struggling with And that's
something not very talked about too, is women with porn
addictions because it's not wildly you know, accepted or talked

(44:18):
about or anything. And I kind of delve into why
that I was into that stuff and everything more in
my book.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
Okay, but I got.

Speaker 9 (44:30):
To a point where I couldn't keep the mask on anymore.
I got tired of fighting. I got tired of fighting
back and forth. Yes, and I and I did. When
I was eighteen, I came out of the clause as bisexual.
I moved out at seventeen before that, you know, and
decided I wasn't going to church anymore.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
And then were you anti church too or anti God?
Anti church?

Speaker 9 (44:57):
I wasn't anti God anti church. I just I didn't
want it in my life because I wanted to do
what I wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
Yeah, And it was. It was.

Speaker 9 (45:09):
It was very much. So my mom had found out
about me sleeping with my boyfriend at the time and stuff,
and she took me off the worship team because she's like,
if you're gonna do that stuff, you can't be you know.
So there went my ago out the window, you know.
So she took me off all of those things. And

(45:29):
then she's like, if you're gonna continue doing this, you're
not living in my house anymore. Because at this time
I got my gig, So it was not like she
was kicking a minor out. Technically I was not considered
a minor by Ohio law anymore. And she's like, you
don't aren't gonna live here if you're gonna do that stuff.
So I moved in with my boyfriend and stuff. And

(45:51):
then briefly, when I was eighteen, I came back to
my mom's and I was living with I stayed with
her for a while and went back to church and stuff.
And that's when God kind of got ahold of me
a little bit and was like, hey, you know, I

(46:15):
still love you. I still want what's best for you,
and I also still want to use you, like I
still want this call on your life to be a minister.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
And I'm just like, nope, no thanks.

Speaker 9 (46:33):
Nine, no, nope, nope, not going to Naneva. You know,
Jonah not going to Nanova. And so I devise his plan,
like here, let's take.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So you're a reluctant messenger too.

Speaker 9 (46:49):
Yeah, still kind of am, but I'm I'm learning it's
better to just go with it than to resist it anymore. So,
but they so I was like, no, I don't want
to do that, and so my thought process was, let's
do the exact opposite and run as far away as possible,

(47:13):
you know. So I just I came out as bisexual,
was dating my girlfriend at the time. This is eighteen
and a half nineteen years old, you know, got a job,
got a place, you know, just did what I could
to support myself. Then I uh so my girlfriend at

(47:39):
the time she started practicing wiccah yeah, and I was like, okay,
like this is I can see where this comes from.
And like so I got into it. But it quickly developed,
like within six months into this the energy the psychic vampirism.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Would be woul would could be uh know, one as
like maybe the entry drug of the occult.

Speaker 9 (48:11):
I think so because it is kind of the more
what what would will be innocent you know.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
Or earth worship kind of a thing worship. Yeah, yeah,
you know so.

Speaker 9 (48:24):
And to me that didn't sound like a terrible idea
because it was like, you know, you should respect the earth.
I mean, you know, like it just didn't seem too
too far out there for me.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Wow, this is biblical. Actually, you know, I'm as you're speaking,
and I'm you know, I'm I'm a Bible guy. Give
into the word a bit, and I'm reading here in
Romans one one, it says for although they knew God,
they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him.
But they're thinking became and futile, and their hearts full,

(49:02):
and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to
be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of
the immortal God for the images made to look like
mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles. In twenty
four says, therefore God gave them over to the sinful
desires of their hearts, to sexual impurity, for the degrading

(49:22):
of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth
for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather
than the Creator who is forever praised. Amen. And so
you know, I believe in the Bible verses says, if
you train up a child and the way they should go,
they will return. And so I believe that the seeds

(49:44):
of truth grew in you and overcame.

Speaker 9 (49:48):
Absolutely and I feel like the enemy. See this is
where I get to where I got out of this stuff.
Because my girlfriend at the time, we were talking about
her moving in and made all these plans of her
moving in, and then when she moved in, we were
planning this this blood ritual, this blood bonding ceremony that
was kind of like a kind of a Wiccan or

(50:10):
not Wickan, but a vampiric marriage in a way.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Native Native Americans have been doing this. You know, I'm
a I'm I'm a big fan of Native Americans and
their dedication to their religion. I think that all people
should worship something greater than themselves and and that that's
the beginning in your search for the truth, and that
if you keep searching, the Bible says you will find.

(50:37):
The problem is as many of us fall off the
search and we've become happy with one thing, and that's
where we stick. And in the Native Americans, it's noted
throughout history that that if they that they did the
blood brother thing, they would cut their hands and shake
their hands and blend their blood and they would come
under the protection of that other member, that other member

(50:58):
of their family automatically.

Speaker 9 (51:00):
Yeah, and it's kind of similar, but it was more
like bonded to you, like our life forces are bonded
kind of the thing. But what we didn't realize is
that have we done that, we would also have been
bonded to whatever entity that we called in too. That
it was going to be not just us in the whole.
We weren't the only one signing the contract.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You know, it is kind of like a marriage between
a man and a woman before God and God. And
God is when you know when you cheat. If you're
a monogamous relationship and marriage, you know, one and done
type thing. And it's not just a marriage between you
and and your spouse, it's a marriage between you and God.
God is in there. So if you're cheating on one another,

(51:44):
you're not just cheating on the other person, You're also
cheating on your relationship, your commitment with God, you know.
And so I see that if you don't have God
as the head of the household, that another spirit entity
could come in and take that position.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
Well that and we were specifically going to be drawing
on a spirit of a vampireic spirit in order to
do the ceremony and stuff too, So like we were
intentionally going to bond ourselves under that spirit.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Can I ask you a question, did you did you
get deep enough to where you would drink the blood
or not yet?

Speaker 9 (52:21):
No, that was going to be the first time that
we did it, and we were we were like actually
careful about it because we both got tested against gd's
and stuff before we did it. Not that I like
I knew her a long time and stuff, and but
it was just, you know, we should probably just get
a blood tested, make sure we're not going to like,

(52:42):
you know, make each other sick or anything like that.
Doing this, Like, if we're going to do it, we
need to do it smart as well.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
So what brought you out of it?

Speaker 8 (52:52):
So what brought you?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Well?

Speaker 9 (52:55):
First step was two weeks before she's supposed to move,
she dumped me.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
So are you still friends today? It's just circle of friends.

Speaker 9 (53:05):
Because she's still kind of still kind of into some
of this stuff, not not as deeply from what I gather,
but I just had to It was one of the
toxic friendships that I just could not rotain ever again.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
You know, there's a there's a there's a two guys
they singing on the internet and they talk about this.
They sing this song, it's one of my favorites to
hit the hit the internet in a while. And there's
two guys and ones a rapper kind of the other
ones that and you're pricing it says there's a fire
burning in me, and the other guy says, I cut
off a friend and they're gone forever. You know, they're

(53:43):
losing friends. That's part of the song, you know. And uh,
and it was worth it. In other words, now I
have a family, Now, I have a son, now I
now I want to be a husband. Now you know
all this stuff and and uh and so you're as
the Bible says, the Holy Spirit will change your wanter.

Speaker 9 (53:59):
Yeah, And from what I can gather, she's kind of
still into this stuff. But she's also like going to
church and stuff. So I'm hoping that the words working
on her.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
But it's like that's between her and God. It's not
my problem, my teeth.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Right, you're you're it's not your you. You're probably the
worst person to bring her, you know. And if she's
and if she's searching, that's a great sign, you know.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Not and and and just her whole family is kind
of just batty. And I just can't. I just can't.
So I just was like, I can't. I cannot be
involved anymore.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
I just need to just I just.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Still pray for her. But yeah, you may want to.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
Yeah, And I have no like you're in public and stuff,
there's no hard feelings, there's no awkward it's just it's
just we're not.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
You know that, it's not loving loving after you become
a Christian after the Holy Spirit is dwelled in you,
and you've and you've got the mark of Christ on
your forehead. I call, I say, as soon as you
accept Christ, you're already He is already imprinted on you.
Okay and uh. And so one of the signs of

(55:11):
that strength of relying on the Holy Spirit is the
power not to just love Christ, but to love and
forgive Judas and those that hate us and abuse us
and have become enemies or dysfunctional relationships. Is the fact
that we from our side, we can forgive them and

(55:32):
continue praying for them. You know.

Speaker 9 (55:34):
Yeah, So how I got out of this stuff was
what I have now recently started calling the time I
was almost spiritually abducted. Whoa, because if we we have
to back up a little bit and recognize that the

(55:54):
enemy knew of my gifts, he knew my calling, because
well it went over the airwaves somehow with them, they
knew what I was going to be doing.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Like that movie Constantine. You know, they know it's both sides.
If you ever seen that scary movie Constant.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Jana Reeves, I don't know how you remember on these movies.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Because I investigate the dark side on a regular basis.

Speaker 10 (56:26):
Mister Constantine, I'd like to ask you a few questions.

Speaker 9 (56:30):
I know the circles you travel in they call extracisms.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Here.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
What if I told you that God and the Devil
madeve way that the souls of all that kind no
direct contact with humans.

Speaker 10 (56:43):
That would be the rule of just influence.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
See who would demons stay in Helen Andrews in heaven?
They call it the balance.

Speaker 10 (56:52):
I need to see what you see. You do this,
there's no timing back.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
You see that they understand, you know, and you have
to know what they're up to. You have to know
your enemy. I mean, do you know, Sham, you're into sports.
Do you know any football team or that wouldn't watch
videos of their team they're playing next week?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (57:18):
And I think that's that's where I'll get to how
I feel like I'm a double agent, so to speak,
because because the enemy thought he was winning me over
to his side, but what he was actually doing was
giving me information that I would then use against him later.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
So I know I feel your I feel your thought there.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
You know.

Speaker 9 (57:44):
I think the guy from the podcast that I was spoken,
he called me a spy agent, you know. But it's like,
except I didn't know I was a spy at the time.

Speaker 8 (57:56):
So m hmmm.

Speaker 9 (57:57):
So the enemy knew what I was called to and
what gifts I had, and he wanted those gifts. He
wanted to use the gifts that I had for his
kingdom instead of the Lord's king the enemy, yeah, you
know so, but he had a problem, and that problem

(58:20):
was the Holy Spirit, because you know, very clearly, like
even though I hadn't fully I had a confession when
I was eight years old, I you know, went to
BBS and when they asked, if you want to ask
Jesus in your heart, you know, I did, and I
got baptized and stuff. But I didn't fully understand all

(58:44):
of it. And so therefore, while I do believe that
I was probably saved, then I wasn't walking in it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Right now. You're caught, you were you were caught in
lack of knowledge area, yeah, and in the and I
don't even call it. I believe that you were saved
and you didn't and you didn't know what you didn't know.

Speaker 8 (59:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
And also but but the at this point with with
what I was doing, I fully knew that I was rebelling,
Like I fully knew that I was working against what
God has called called me to do, to the point
that that's why I was drinking and stuff, because the
Holy Spirit kept prodding me, like just kept you know, gently,

(59:32):
like hey I'm still here, or hey, you know, don't
do that, or you know, just gentle you know, because
I always say, the Holy.

Speaker 8 (59:41):
Spirit of gentleman.

Speaker 9 (59:41):
He's not going to force you to do anything that
you don't want to do, like he he'll just gently
guide you towards the right thing to do. Sometimes not
so gently, but he does. He is a gentleman.

Speaker 8 (59:58):
So he had to fit.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
So even though I wasn't listening to the Holy Spirit,
I was still connected to him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
And so yeah, you're you're his, You're his, so he
wants you to he wants you back.

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
So this is the problem that the enemy had. So
he got me into psychic vampirism to counterfeit that connection
and flow, and he tried to teach me to pull
horizontally from other people instead of receiving vertically from God.
And I fully believe that a blood, the blood covenant

(01:00:34):
that I was going to do, was going to seal
that deal.

Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Okay, Like and do I believe that he could have.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
Actually, I do not believe that the enemy had the
authority or the power to actually set on my connection
with the Holy Spirit, right, but he could have deceived
me in a way such a strong way that I
thought and then therefore acted like that connection was severed,

(01:01:04):
even though correct.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I agree. You know that it's in the sermons about
the seed thrown into the rocky soil, the sandy soil,
the different things types of services. And I think that
for some people, as it says in the Bible, so
some people hear the word of God and they accept
it as truth. They just it just is truthed them.

(01:01:27):
While others, you know, they have to they have to
go through more to accept the word of God is truth.
And and I think that you're you're right on it.
At once you're saved.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
I was definitely on the school of hard knock side
of the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Well, you're dealing with two different things. You're dealing with
conviction and you're dealing with with and you're dealing with rebellion, right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:50):
Yeah, And so it was it was about all that
I was like going through. So so his planning was
to have me do that blood ritual, so that way
I would, you know, feel severed. But then she went
and ruined that plan by dumping me. So he had
to go to Plan B, or a plan nuclear as
I like to call it. You know, he had to

(01:02:13):
act quickly because he like felt I feel like he knew,
like because I was away from that friendship, away from
that relationship, that it would be a matter of time
before I came back to Christ. Like he knew his
time was short. He had very like he didn't have
enough time now to like do it the slow way.

(01:02:33):
He's like, we gotta do it the messy way. So
one night, I'm sitting I gave home from work side
note didn't drive at this time. I was nineteen years old,
didn't have a driver's license. So even though I was
rebelling and all this stuff, I was still relying on
my parents and my grandparents to like transport me to
him from work and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
So talk about awkward, Yeah it was. It was rough.

Speaker 14 (01:02:57):
But so.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
My somebody dropped me off of work from work. I
forget who it was that night that dropped me off
from home. I think it was probably my grandmother or
my grandfather. But I go home and I'm I'm just
sitting on the couch, you know, still kind of greasy
from because I worked at McDonald's, so you know, still
had the frag grease up on me and stuff. And
I just sat down and I was not ready to

(01:03:21):
like just be done for the day and just wind
down with some TV or something, and all of a sudden,
this wave of depression hit me. And I say it's
a wave because it like just came out of nowhere,
like a tsunami hit me to the and like, I mean,
I have logical reasons to be depressed, like I just
got dumped, you know, I had some logical reasons. But

(01:03:44):
the way this depression hit me was just not normal.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
It was different.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
It was a different thing. Yeah, all together.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
And the next thing I remember is I remember waking
up in my shower, fully clothed and screaming. And I
get all the shower and I look at my clock
and at least three hours had passed. And now, with
my childhood epilepsy that I had that I was healed

(01:04:16):
from at six years old, I was thinking, did I
just have a seizure? You know, but that makes huh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
That would be a natural assumption.

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
Yeah, And I'm sitting there thinking, no, I was healed
with this, but then I've rebelled, so that God take
away that healed. Like, those are the thoughts that were
running through my head. And so I called my mom
and I told her what would happen, and she like
got me to calm down. She's like, go get some clothes,
get yourself dressed. I asked her to come get me,
and she's like, I just took my nighttime meds and
I can't drive after that, like, you know, her meds

(01:04:47):
made it not safe for her to drive and stuff,
And so she's calling me down. My dog's trying to
call me down, you know, like she's she's concerned, like
because she probably my dog, my poor dog, probably so
off physically like everything that happened, so she probably is
more concerned for me than anybody in the whole hemisphere.

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
Yeah, And so I'm go into.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
My my laundry room, which is adjacent to the room
that I used for my altar room, okay, where I
did all my rituals and stuff. And a little important
note is the fact that in vampirism, you left the
lights off of your of your room unless it was

(01:05:33):
being used. You would turn lights on only to have
enough light to walk into the room and then turn
on or light your candles, and then once the circles open,
you close the turn off lights again. And you did
the same thing when you were done, you turn on
the lights, closed out the circle closed, you know under
like uh, blew out your candles and then turned then

(01:05:57):
once you left the room, you turned it off. So
unless it was being used, there should be no reason
for those lights to be on. Right and out of
the corner of my eye, well, I'm trying to get
my clean dry clothes out of the dryer. I see
the lights in my altar room flicker on and off

(01:06:18):
three times, and I was like a snap. It was like,
because that means there's something.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
Working in there. And so I told.

Speaker 9 (01:06:35):
My mom what I had just witnessed, and she's like,
all right, get a cab.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
She's like, I'll call you a cab. So now, mind you.
I live in West Virginia. Where I lived at that
time was in like a true West Virginia haller. Okay,
pitch black outside.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
No street lights.

Speaker 9 (01:06:57):
It's where they tell you if you hear a whistle,
no you didn't, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:07:03):
Yes, Like it's.

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
Scary out there at night. I felt safer outside than
I did in my house. It was like two or
three am, and I'm standing outside it was that bad
in my house. I felt safer outside and I left
my cat in the house because she was not familiar,
and I left her in the house because I was like, well,
you're probably involved in this, and I'm sorry, but you're staying.

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
Took my god, took my dog.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
And I'm sitting there outside waiting for this cab, and
I feel sorry for that cab driver because I know
I was muttering to myself and like freaking out and
look probably looked like I was on something, because here
I am at three o'clock in the morning calling a
cab and talking crazy and panicked and have my dog
with me, like just you know, I'm sure they thought
I was nuts or on something. And so I go home,

(01:07:54):
go to my mom's, which side out my mom could
not was not supposed to have animals in herartment, but yeah,
I did it anyway because I was like, I'm not
leaving her with whatever is in their house. So my
home on to my mom's, got a decent sleep. You know,
I didn't have to work until like noon in the

(01:08:15):
night and morning after, so I got some decent sleep,
kind of convinced myself that I was just nuts and
that I didn't really feel experienced what I just experienced.
It was all like some weird dream. Try to shake
it off, Try to shake it off, you know, went

(01:08:37):
to work, and then when I got home, when I
my grandmother picked me up from work, and like she
usually is, she was listening to K Love Radio. That
was her subtle way of preaching to me, you know,
by just having worship music playing. And usually it didn't

(01:08:59):
bother me, but that particular day, the music was like
sandpaper to me, very irritating, Like it was very irritating,
like I was very very irritated, very very mad about it.
And then the song how He loves Us came on

(01:09:21):
the radio from David Crowder Band, and that first line
line hit he is jealous for Me, loves like a hurricane,
and iometry bending beneath the weight of his wind and mercy,
and all of a sudden, I felt what I now
describe as the anger, the angry jealous, the jealous anger.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
Of God on me.

Speaker 9 (01:09:48):
Like I was so like warm, like it felt like
fire had like ignited in me. You know right, and
I didn't. I was like angry, and I couldn't figure
out why I was angry.

Speaker 8 (01:10:03):
And then it's like.

Speaker 9 (01:10:05):
I just was really uncomfortable and so I just all
of a sudden couldn't It's like I couldn't control myself.
I just started telling my grandmother everything the word.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
Vomit, and she had no idea.

Speaker 9 (01:10:15):
I mean, I think she had a clue that I
was into some stuff, but she didn't. She thought the
big problem was is that I was bisexual. Like she
did not have target any idea of like the spiritual
side of things that was going on. And I've always
joked from the time I was this little kid that

(01:10:37):
my grandmother drives like Corilla Deville.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I still do.

Speaker 8 (01:10:42):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (01:10:45):
So like she did a U turn so fast in
somebody's yard two and got me to her pastor's house
because and like knocked on his door. It was like ten,
it was like nine thirty night or something, and she's
like and tells him what's going on, and he's like,

(01:11:05):
I'll come out, just give me a minute, you know,
and he uh took me into his office, and you know,
I told him what was going on and stuff, and
he like his eyes about bulged out of his head
because he's like, whoa we're dealing with like and now yeah,

(01:11:29):
and now he's like up doing warfare and so like,
I don't really really remember much from my deliverance. I
know I prayed and I you know, asked God to
forgive me, and I you know, accepted him as my

(01:11:50):
savior and stuff, and then he really got into like
I remember him asking what its name was, and beyond that,
I kind of blacked out for.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
A little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
And then when I just I just remember leaving there
like completely at peace, completely feeling unhindered anymore, like just
like I could take a deep breath again, and that
it felt like everything was gone.

Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:12:24):
He had some homework for me to do, but he's like, obviously,
go to your grandparents and like sleep first, because the
next morning we went over to my house and we
gathered everything that I used in witchcraft minus the cat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Well they're half half been half out anyway half out.

Speaker 9 (01:12:48):
So and side note, the cat did pass away like
two weeks after this. Do you believe that that had
to do like with the fact that it was like
my familiar and it could not be anymore. Wow, so God,
I kind of you know, how David and Passibo lost

(01:13:10):
their child because of their sin. I kind of picture
it kind of like that situation. Not obviously not as
serious as losing your child, but right, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Feel like that was some consequence or something.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
Yeah, it was a consequence.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Well it could also have been an attack for a departure.
You know that the evil does not like us walking
away and turning our back on them, and so yeah,
it was very real.

Speaker 9 (01:13:41):
But what we did is we took everything, including the
wallpaper from my altar room because I was like, there's
like incense soaked into that, you know, Like, so I
just I asked my landlord and she's like do it.
You know, She's like, I want it all. Like you
could pull up this wall, you could take the drywall
if you want from that room, you know, because she

(01:14:03):
was a Christian, went to my church that.

Speaker 8 (01:14:06):
So she was like take it, do it all.

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
And so I took all of that and we took
it to my grandfather's yard, where we had the best
bonfire of my life. And I don't know if you
guys know anything about like the melting point of metal,
but it's not bonfire hot it's hotter than that. But

(01:14:34):
my grandfather, after we had this bonfire, he went back
to like check because he thought, surely since I put
metal things in there, that there would be like remnant pieces,
you know, like pieces of multi metal and stuff. He's like,
there was nothing. There was nothing completely disintegrated. And so

(01:14:55):
while we were sitting at this bonfire, though, I maybe
and I said, you know, I told my grandmother. I
was like, this is what I escaped, you know, that's
these flames.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
Are what I escaped. So, yeah, you did.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
And I was like, and I said this, And I
was like, and I was so adamant, like so indignant, dignified,
like just filled with Holy Spirit juice, you know, like
when I said this, and and lately I've realized how

(01:15:30):
kind of naive it was for me to say this.
But I said, I'm going to stand at the gates
of Hell and redirect traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Actually, you know, it's it's funny that you should bring
that up, because when I accepted Christ and I started
having you know, after years after I accepted Christ, I
started having minor visions of what God wanted me to do.
And one of the visions was of uh and I
still have when I've post stuff on for the podcast.

(01:16:00):
I have a mind with a guy in prison with
his legs hanging out and he's sitting there and the
thought that my point is that we're freeing people that
are captured within themselves. You know they're they don't and
so it's a prison that you're in and you don't
know you're in. It's in your it's controlling your mind.

(01:16:21):
And uh, one of the one of the visions that
guy gave me was me putting a ladder over a fence,
a prison fence, an actual prison fence, putting a ladder
over the fence and climbing up and over and down
and then reaching in and taking the hands, not touching
the ground, not getting into the prison, uh, touching the

(01:16:42):
ground wise, but staying on the ladder and reaching down
and taking the hands of those that God has called
and pulling them out of prison. And that was and
and that's kind of what you're talking about here. It's
very good. So what are your Could you tube me
a favor and tell folk your books and where they
can get them and places.

Speaker 9 (01:17:05):
Yeah, but first I would like to talk about the
vision that kind of led to some of my books
and like my podcasts or not my podcast but my
my blog site and my ministry and stuff. So like
a year after I gotten delivered and healed, and I
spent a year kind of dating God in a way,

(01:17:27):
kind of trying to rediscover who he is, who I am,
you know, breaking free of all the the sexual identities
and stuff like, you know, just some pretty serious because
I had to well, I was delivered, I still had
a lot of work to do, you know, like and
stuff that we had to work on. And one of

(01:17:48):
the things I did at the end of that year
is I asked God.

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
I was like, who am.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
I to you, you know, And I actually prayed and
fasted for like twenty four hours and really, like gott into,
I had just oritten read Mark Patterson's Circle Maker, and
so I had had I had made like a circle
of masking tape on my floor because I was living

(01:18:13):
with my dad at the time, and couldn't you know,
I'm pretty sure he would yell at me if I
had like used anything other than masking tape on the floor.
So I made like a makeshift circle where I was
praying and stuff, and he I just I just like
I basically told God. I was like, I'm not getting
out of the circle until you reveal who I am

(01:18:35):
to you, like a little bit stubborn. But I think
it's like, well, he created me that stubborn, so he.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
That this is get with me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
And didn't Samson do the same thing.

Speaker 9 (01:18:56):
Well, and that's well, and then then then you have
the Jewish the lore that the Jewish story in the
circle makers Haney the circle Maker, where he did that.
He literally they were going through a drought and he's like,
I'm gonna sit in the circle and refuse to get
out until you rain, bring.

Speaker 8 (01:19:12):
Rain, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
And that's the premise, is to like sit and pray
and pray and pray and pray until he answers, you know,
like sit there and wait until he answers. And so
I did, and luckily it only took a little little
little bit like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
For a while.

Speaker 9 (01:19:30):
Yeah, he didn't take days. He took minutes to answer me.
And he gave me this vision.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
And it was this.

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
Field of dandelions and the best way I can describe
it was like the poppy Field and Wizard of Oz,
but instead of poppy is it was dandy lions, like
just all over bright yellow dandy lions all over this field,
like almost no grass, you know, just danny lons everywhere.

Speaker 8 (01:19:56):
And there's this little girl.

Speaker 9 (01:19:57):
She was wearing white su cream white cream coloreds undressed,
and she had brown pigtails on, and she was dancing
through this field and picking up she got her hands
full of these of the dandelions, and then she presented
him as to her father. And when as soon as
they left her hands and went to his hands, they

(01:20:17):
turned the white puffball and then he blew on them.
And then she danced in the seeds like she was
dancing and giggling in the seeds and stuff. And I
come out of that vision. I'm like, that was cool.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
What's it mean? You know, like that was cool? God? Thanks,
what's mean? Because because that's nice?

Speaker 9 (01:20:45):
That was nice little little vacation. But now, what what's
that mean? And he spoke to me, He said, my flower,
you will take with the society what society sees his
weeds and present them to me like roses, and I
will breathe my life into them, and you will dance in.

Speaker 8 (01:21:03):
The fruit of your labor.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
You know. There's a pastor in the Bayry, California, and
he preached to my aunt's church over there, and he
said that when he was preaching, he said, he preached
that you that one of the evidence that your your
name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life is
not what you do, but that you see that you do.

(01:21:28):
But what you see that is done by what you
do that you do not see. In other words, you
do something and then somebody, then then God intervenes, and
then something else happens that you may not know anything about,
and then people are saved. That child bearing that fruit.
Wrote that that that expansion of God's kingdom is bearing fruit,

(01:21:53):
and and that you didn't even know you did, and
that is evidence that that your name is written to
the lamb Book of Life. And and by being Johnny Appleseed,
Johnny apple Seed throwing seeds everywhere, he would not know
what which ones came up, which ones didn't, which ones
produced apples, which ones didn't, But the fact that some

(01:22:14):
produced apples showed the effort, showed who he was and
the efforts of his being. And that's good analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:22:23):
And one of the things too, is like I realized that, Okay,
so who I'm going to be like ministering to is
people that maybe aren't necessarily on the mainstream side of society,
you know, and they're outcasted in somewhere form or another.
And that's taken different shapes over my life.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:22:47):
For for six years, I was a pastor's wife until
my husband got sick and couldn't pastor anymore. He's got
half a function heart and it's finally on disability.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:23:04):
We struggled through some miscarriages before we had my son
and stuff, and also my At the same time as
the miscarriages were happening, my husband like almost died on me,
like multiple times through his heart problems and stuff. And
that kind of led me to being a little bitter

(01:23:26):
and walking away for a while, not walking away from God,
but I just I really it kind of led to
a just deconstruction.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Period, dysfunctional relationship, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:23:40):
Kind of because I was like I was very bitter
because like, you almost took my husband out, you almost,
you didn't, you know, I didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:23:49):
I've lost two babies.

Speaker 9 (01:23:52):
And that kind of just really made me bitter and
and and this was all while I was while we
were ministering, So like I'm leaning on empty you know,
and just feeling completely ousted and lonely.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Do you feel that do you feel like this was
an attack from the Satan.

Speaker 8 (01:24:15):
Or I don't. I don't think so.

Speaker 9 (01:24:19):
I think it was more just now I know that
it was preparation, you know, like sometimes you have to
go through you got to climb the mountain.

Speaker 8 (01:24:28):
To get to the peak.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yes, I use I use that quite a bit. Actually,
I use a statement that without without Israel being in
fear and Goliath being in place, David would have never
been keen, right, and so without the ugly and the evil,
the and this wasn't just a you know, popped up

(01:24:51):
one day and there he was. Now, this was something
that took time. It took place for these people, these
these actions to be put in motion. And it might
have been two years, five years, whatever for this to
come about. But there was a lot of probably ugliness
going on while this and while this has taking place.
And we know from David's the story of David, that

(01:25:14):
that uh, there was I mean, his bigger brothers would
not ever think that their little brother would become king,
you know. And so yeah, there's a there's there's sometimes
there's a little bit of pain for the prophet, right.

Speaker 9 (01:25:31):
Yeah, and I think too, it's a misconception.

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
And this is why I share.

Speaker 9 (01:25:37):
This part of my story every time I share my story,
because it's not like I got delivered and magically my
life was easy sailing, never had any problems because I
had Jesus in my life kind of thing like, it's that's.

Speaker 8 (01:25:52):
Not how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Did you did you listen to our podcast because you
know this is sounding isn't sounding familiar? Because in many
of our podcasts over since twenty thirteen, I've said several
times that I accepted Christ and then I went to
hell and for seven years and then.

Speaker 9 (01:26:13):
That's what I call twenty sixteen was our year of
hell because just like between my husband's health, I was
losing two babies, like it just it was a nightmare
and it really but it did did lead me to
like kind of deconstructing my faith. And I don't regret
that because it's actually given me a stronger foundation for

(01:26:37):
my faith, you know in the long run, because you know,
and I never in my whole construction process, it was
more of why do I believe what I believe?

Speaker 8 (01:26:45):
Not what do I believe?

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
You know, It was more of the why figuring out
the why of what my beliefs were.

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
And it was crucial.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I think, I think that's absolutely necessary for somebody coming
into So, okay, I when you're called into service, I
was asked by I was a prison chaplain and jail
minister for a couple of years, and the person that
recruited me asked me. He said, so, let me ask

(01:27:15):
you a question. And he was a vile question because
I was going to be dealing with serial killers and
serial rapists and child molesters and that such. And he said, so,
if if you knew that you God had forgiven this
this serial child molester, would you, you know, could you

(01:27:38):
forgive them? And he went through this whole thing and
it was very painful, and I mean there was a
lot of tears, a lot of prayer, Lord, why couldn't
I forgive this guy that kind of thing, you know,
person for doing this? But it kept getting harder. Said, okay,
so if you could forgive them, then would you sit
down and have dinner with them with your family? And
I'm like, wow, that's your yeah, you put we put

(01:28:02):
it that way. I don't know my home. Yeah, And
so I went through another terror turmoil for a few
more months. And then I finally said yes, I have
God's Holy Spirit intervened and said, yes you could. I could.
And then he said, okay, would you allow them to
stay the night in your home? Would you you know, uh,
let them into your personal space, access to your chair.

(01:28:22):
All these things had to come into play in my
mind before I could say yes, I could forgive them.
And and this man is this missionary who was recruiting me.
Once I went through this four months a turmoil and
prayer and and and self evaluation and spiritual evaluation and
and gruesome spiritual evaluation, and I come to the point,

(01:28:46):
yes I could. And he said amen, because that's exactly
what Jesus did for us. Yes, and and and that's
when I got and I told him, I said, look,
due to my criminal background, due to my arrest records,
if you can get me into into the prisons, uh
clearance to go in I didn't think you could.

Speaker 8 (01:29:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
So, like so all of this stuff happened in my
life after, you know, I came to Christ and you know,
through the ministry and you know, all of the stuff
that we did. You know, I felt like that was
kind of in a way for that season. That's the
thing is there's a difference between calling and vocation. You know,

(01:29:31):
you know, your calling stays the same, but you're the
way you live out that calling kind of shifts and
changes and and in different seasons of your life and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
And so.

Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
You know, I thought, pastor wife that that's what I
didn't see coming. I thought missionary in the foreign fields
or something, that's.

Speaker 8 (01:29:51):
What he was calling me to.

Speaker 9 (01:29:52):
Nope, Nope, Chester, West Virginia Pastor's wife. Okay, you know,
like from where I'm from, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Know, you get to travel.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
Okay, No, I didn't. I mean, I was like, I
feel like I got jipped a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:30:06):
But you know, who knows, who knows he might still
have that open for me.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:30:10):
And I am traveling, just not physically because I'm like,
you're talking to you guys all the way from Fresno, California,
like and traveling wherever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Yeah, serious, you know, China, anywhere, everywhere. That's because we're
on Google, iHeartRadio, and Amazon Music. We're everywhere, and so
Sri Lanka. You know, it's it's amazing where I get
where where we're at.

Speaker 9 (01:30:37):
We don't even know where we're going, right, So it's
like it's been one wild ride after another. But this
year has really been like the I guess it would
be like a mountaintop here, knock on wood.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
I don't want to jinx it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
But it's not about you. You can't.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
Yeah, it's no, I can't.

Speaker 9 (01:30:57):
It's not it's not about me at all, because I like,
you know, I've been in the ministry for years. I went,
We've gone to a new church. You know, we had
a lot of church hurt after we left the ministry
and stuff and just everything that was going on with
my husband's health and everything. It was just it was
just a hard time. And I say, we were like

(01:31:17):
on survival mode, you know, for for quite a while there,
and up until really like this year, we just kind
of finally was like, we feel like we don't have
to be on survival mode anymore, you know, we can
breathe a little, you know. And uh So January this year,

(01:31:38):
I joined a Bible study at my church. And it
was through The Purpose Driven Life that I were born.
And I've been through that book five times a fact
that I taught it twice, you know, So I was like,
I'm probably not gonna get anything spiritually out of this,
but I would just want to go to like connect
with other Christians and just be part of the fellowship

(01:32:01):
side of things and stuff. But you know, haha, jokes
on me. I did get something out of it spiritually,
and like a lot out of it spiritually and ironically,
Like halfway through this study, I got an offer to
speak on a podcast and share my testimony. And it

(01:32:23):
happened through some of my brother in law who spoke
on the podcast, and he's like, hey, I really think
you should. He's like, hey, and you don't. You don't
know about this or anything, but he's like, I spoke
on this podcast and I think you should too. You know,
you should share your testimony and stuff. I'm like, okay,
you know, I'm not sure. He's like, you just have

(01:32:43):
a really good testimony. I think you need to share it.
And I'm like, I guess, so, you know, and so I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
When when you come from the dark side, and Tim's
heard me say this before too, when you come from
the dark side, Tim wants me to rejail every thing
I ever did, all the experiences I ever had. He
wants to know everything. Okay, but then then God says
not everything needs to be talked about not everything has
to be revealed, and and and when I would speak

(01:33:13):
at a men's retreat or something and I was talking,
it was like I was speaking in as a foreigner,
and they and these people were like, Wow, this guy's dark.
This stuff actually exists, you know, because and I don't want,
I don't want, I don't want to touch this guy.
I don't get near him because he's still he might

(01:33:34):
still be safe. See, the heart of it is, Christians
preach change. They preach that this Holy Spirit will will
change your life and change your world, and and that
you'll walk on the path that God originally designed for
you and all stuff. But then when it comes down
to their inner belief, not all Christians believe and change.

Speaker 9 (01:33:57):
And so like I went on this part cast and
I have it linked in my blog site and stuff,
and I think I sent it to you guys to
that what you guys could listen to it too. But
I just went through my entire life story, which.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
Basically what I just did with y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
So but which, by the way, by the way, it
wasn't it wasn't that bad, Okay, just the way I
believe in the fire, I believe in and being to
work for God, you have to be just like a
good sword. You have to be put under the fire
and the hammer. Okay, and uh, and I believe that's
what you and I know that it's kind of shallow

(01:34:38):
and uh justification for what you went through and what
I went through and what Tim's went through. But in
order being God's service, they got all the all the
impurities have to be beat out of it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:51):
And actually I think I've said that basically in the
in the other podcast, I said, you know, I didn't
realize that when I said that I was gonna go
stand at the gates of Hell and read a direct traffic,
I didn't realize it meant me being put in the fire,
you know, Like that's why I said, you're saying, yeah, yes,

(01:35:14):
Refiner's fire for sure. So I went on that podcast
and I'm still in the middle of this this Bible study,
right and at the end of this Bible study when
they closed it, I was like, so he kind of
like asked everybody where we're at as far as like
what we feel like our calling is and stuff or

(01:35:36):
feel how we feel about like God's.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Purpose in our life and all this stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:35:40):
And it's like I said, I'm I'm still not one
hundred percent sure what my calling looks like now, you know,
Like I've known what it looked like then, you know,
but I'm not sure what it looks like now. But
I said, whatever it is, and whatever door that God's
going to open up for means as I'm ready to
walk through it. You know, I'm ready to just do

(01:36:02):
whatever it is he wants me to do. And then
at the end of that, at the full end of
that service, pastor and his wife start talking and they
start praying, and they started he asked, He's like he
was talking because we kind of went through a shift
in our church and stuff, and so he was talking
about he was praying about like the Lord's direction for

(01:36:23):
the church going forward and all of this stuff, and
he specifically mentioned he said, and Lord, you know, it's
been my heart for a long time that there would
be that you would bring someone along that would you know,
help us with a deliverance and healing ministry. And it
was like as soon as he said that, it was
like somebody the Holy Spirit just tooked me in the shoulder, like, Hey,

(01:36:48):
that'd be you, And I'm just like.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
No, No, that's not me, but I don't want to
leave nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:36:58):
Yeah, like no, I don't want to Yeah what okay?
So I was like reluctantly.

Speaker 8 (01:37:06):
After service, after everybody's kind of started leaving.

Speaker 9 (01:37:10):
I walked up to the pastor and I was like,
you know, how you were praying about that thing? He's like,
what think I was like, ministry, and he goes, well,
he prayed a lot of about a lot of things.
So when I said when you prayed about that thing,
he was like, which thing?

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Okay, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Which thing are you talking about?

Speaker 9 (01:37:30):
I was like, that deliverance ministry thing, and I think
that might be me. She goes, okay, well, well we'll
pray about it, and you know, like see where God
takes it. I was like, yeah, he's gonna have to
do a lot because I said, I know, I just
I told him. I was like, I know, I just
said I was willing to walk through every door that

(01:37:50):
any door that God opens for me, you know, but
I'm kind of maybe a little.

Speaker 8 (01:37:56):
Bit regretting this, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:37:59):
And so me and the Holy Spirit wrestled over that
for a few weeks, to the point that like praying
in my prayer life, it was more arguing than praying.

Speaker 8 (01:38:11):
Yeah, Like we were just wrestling over the idea.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Because I'm like, for me, deliverance ministry, I don't like
what I see as deliverance ministry, you know, the showy
cast and demons out like and having cameras in people's
face and like or even just at in public in general,
like it just that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
Side of it is.

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
Like I was like, I don't necessarily agree with that,
or I just see myself.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
I do it, and I don't. Nobody knows what I
do and exactly, and it's unseen. The Bible says that
you do in unseen places and outside of man's view,
praying everything for God. Yeah, he will bless you accordingly
because he's yes.

Speaker 9 (01:39:02):
So and also I was like, I just don't know
how I feel about all this stuff, and so me
and God arguing back and forth. I go to my
sister's church in Columbus, Ohio, thinking I don't know why
I thought this, but I was like, I can get
a break from the Holy Spirit this week, Like he
won't be pestering me about this, I can have a break, Like,
can I have a vacation please from all this?

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Please?

Speaker 8 (01:39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
No, that was not the case because while we were
at this church service with my sister, my mom sitting there,
were sitting there and this the pastor for her church
gets up, like three songs in before the sermon's supposed
to start, and he goes, you know, and he was
talking about something that was going on in their church,
like an event or something that they were about to do,

(01:39:50):
and he's like, I just feel like we need to
bring up all of the leadership and pray for a fresh,
annoying thing of the Holy Spirit, you know, on the leaderships.
That way they're equipped to do the things that we're doing, right.
And then he paused and he goes, and I also
want to open up for anybody here that is thinking
of of coming into leadership or being involved in the ministry,

(01:40:13):
you know. And he kind of specifically targeted towards people
in his church, and so I was like, oh, that's
really nice that he's doing that, you know. And he,
you know, the more people came up and stuff for
the ultar call, and then just before he started praying,
he's like, I don't normally do this. She's like that
there's somebody here that does not attend our church that

(01:40:37):
is being called to a ministry that also needs a
fresh annointing of the Holy Spirit this morning. And so
if that's you, would you just raise your hand. And
my mom and my sister like just both turned their
head real fast and looked at.

Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
Me, like you like, hey, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
That be you.

Speaker 9 (01:41:01):
And so prior to this, like the same weekend, I
was doing dishes. And that is why I mean the
Holy Spirit arguing, because the part of this weekend I
was doing dishes and he's like, just nonchalantly, I'm gonna
break He's he the Holy Spirit spoke to me, and
he goes, I'm gonna break every spirit of witchcraft over
the Tri State area.

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
And I'm like, oh, are you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Huh?

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
And I'm like, because I know when the Holy Spirit
reveals something like that to you, that means you're probably
going to be part of.

Speaker 8 (01:41:34):
The plan, whatever that plan is.

Speaker 9 (01:41:41):
Yeah, And so I kind of, you know, when he
did the fresh annoning thing the week I came back.

Speaker 8 (01:41:51):
I came back from.

Speaker 9 (01:41:52):
That trip and that Thursday, again, I'm doing dishes and
mine in my own business, and the Holy Spirit spoke
to me and he goes, and I want you to
go up to that hillside over behind your church and
I'm gonna reveal something to you. I'm like, Okay, then

(01:42:12):
I can just go early for church Sunday. And he's like, no,
go now, I'm like, but it's Thursday, And I said,
because our church is actually at a like community center,
so like we share the building with a community center.
And I know that on Thursday nights they're like doing

(01:42:33):
like uh, drivers aid tests and like drivers said, training
in the parking lot. And so I'm like, I can't
go up on this hillside. They're gonna think I'm nuts,
you know, like, who's this weird lady going up to
this hillside?

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
I get there. Also side now is that this hillside
used to be.

Speaker 9 (01:42:56):
Used for a pageant on the hill that was like
for like telling the Passion story.

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
Yeah, the and so the set is still up there
and so.

Speaker 9 (01:43:10):
And also another side note is that when the Holy
Spirit told me to go up there, he told me
not to speak it out loud. And I'm just like okay.
So I texted my husband and told him what was
going on. Because I can't just leave the house, Like
I can't just get in the car and leave. He's
gonna think I'm like leaving it myself up or something,

(01:43:30):
you know whatever. I was like, so I had to
tell him what was going on somehow. So I just
texted him because I felt like he said speak it
out loud. He didn't say anything about texting. Yeah, So
I texted it to him like, hey, this is what's
going on. He goes, well, you better listen. Like if
he's telling you do something, you bro do it, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:43:51):
So I did.

Speaker 9 (01:43:51):
I got up there and immediately found out, first of all,
nobody else was there, thankfully. And then when I got
up there, when I started walking up the hillside, I
immediately realized why he said not to speak it because
the wind picked up and I heard these whispers like

(01:44:13):
what's she doing here? M have you heard anything? And
I heard this, I've heard like phrases like have you
heard anything about this? What's going on? And like panic
like going on, and and I was like, yeah, that
was enough to like maybe it made me pause a
little bit and be like did.

Speaker 8 (01:44:34):
The Holy Spirit call me up here? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:44:41):
Like what's going on here? But I'm like, Okay, we're
just gonna go for it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:44):
And I had a Bible with.

Speaker 9 (01:44:45):
Me in a blanket because I'm like, I'm not sitting
on grass grass like, and I've had enough ofcounters with
God to know that I might end up on my face.
So something soft definitely necessary. So I lay the blanket
over the empty tomb because I felt like that seems
like the right place to be is through this empty tomb.

(01:45:08):
And I was on top of the empty tomb, and
I was sitting there and started praying and open my
Bible because I feel like, very seldom does God reveal
anything to me without also using the word. So I
get up there, I'm laying, I'm standing, I'm sitting there

(01:45:28):
and just open my Bible because I know that God
very seldom reveals anything to me without also using scripture
or aligning with scripture, you know. So I have my
Bible open, and as soon as I opened my Bible,
the wind picked.

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
Up around me.

Speaker 9 (01:45:46):
It's like almost like a whirlwind around me a little bit.
Oh yeah, And the pages on my Bible started flipping,
and I was like, oh, is this hot.

Speaker 8 (01:45:55):
We're kind of to it, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:45:57):
I kind of got excited because I'm like, oh, so
You're just gonna like flip my pages to my Bible
and then like reveal it to me that way, you know,
like Okay, it's cool. And then I read what was
on the page.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
And it was.

Speaker 9 (01:46:11):
Nothing but this condemning message. Like what I was reading
was all this condemnation and like judgment and stuff. And
I immediately almost immediately shut my Bible, stood up on
that ground, and I said, there is therefore no condemnation
to them who were in Christ Jesus who walked on

(01:46:31):
according to the flesh, but called according to his spirit.
I was like, and I rebuke you in the name
of Jesus. Wow, whatever spirit was speaking to me or trying.

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
To speak to me, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:46:45):
And I and I asked God.

Speaker 9 (01:46:47):
To shield me, like said a shield around me is
actually I said the words force field. I was like, Lord, like,
create a force field around me, Like don't let anything
else except your spirit to speak to my spirit, you know,
like whatever's out here, because clearly you led me up
into what a wilderness zone that I didn't know existed

(01:47:08):
up here. And I'm like, whatever's up here, I don't
want anything to do with that, Like we want just
you because you're the one told me to come up here.

Speaker 8 (01:47:19):
So let's block out all this stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:47:22):
So when died down and I just turned on some
worship music, because worship is warfare, you know, just made
it very clear, not welcome here, and then kind of
settled down because I almost laughed right then because I'm like, Nope,
this is too much.

Speaker 8 (01:47:38):
Nope, Nope, but I didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:47:40):
I stayed, and the Holy Spirit did reveal, like I
call it a Holy Spirit download, yeah, meaning he just
deposited that that like I don't fully understand and probably
won't for years, you know, but I just knew that,
like there's something he's like putting in me. He's depositing

(01:48:05):
this this stuff that I need in me. And he
also made it very clear like that I'm headed towards
what he called what we've decided is spiritual boot camp
and finishing school simultaneously. Finishing school is where you learn
etiquette and how to be feminine and all those things.

(01:48:28):
But he's also like, but I'm also training you for war,
like same same thing all together. We're going to do
it all and it's gonna be intense, So get ready
for the bride. So that led me to immediately and
that's just the other sign. There's my little unsolicited wisdom,

(01:48:50):
is that how to know if you're having an encounter
with God, is it whether it leads to repentance and
change and forgiveness. If it leads to those things, then
it was a true encounter from God. So I repented
of a lot of things. And then he immediately made
me pull over my car like on the way out
of that instance and forgive somebody, like message them and

(01:49:13):
get in contact with them and make a situation that
was going on right immediately. Because I was like, well,
do it when I get hot me. He's like, no,
now have we not learned earlier? How When I say now,
that means now, not not when you're ready for it now.
So and I even asked God when we were done

(01:49:35):
with all of this, I was like, why did I
have to go up the hillside mm to.

Speaker 8 (01:49:40):
Do all this?

Speaker 9 (01:49:41):
And He's like, I just wanted to try and see
if you were going to trust me no matter what
I told you to do it him for you. Yeah,
He's like, I wanted you to know that you could
trust me even with stuff that seems weird.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
And Abraham Isaac moment.

Speaker 9 (01:49:59):
Yeah, yeah, I call it my Mount Seine Eye moment
because you know, and this is actually the first time
I've been permitted.

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
To speak about that because.

Speaker 9 (01:50:09):
Before when I tried to talk about it, God's like, nope, I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:50:14):
Not doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
It's funny, you shouldn't say that, because I have a
Bible verse that I'd like to share, if it's okay
with everybody. Yes, you know, we were talking about going
through the fire good being a solid sword. And I
know that this is not the great tribulation, but we
But what I'm saying is that the seven years that
I spent after accepting Christ and trying to become a Christian,

(01:50:42):
what I thought a Christian was, and it was pure hell.
I consider that a great tribulation in my life. Okay.
It might not be in the world's life, but it
was in mind. And your situation is very similar, and
that there was a great, a great tribulation in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:50:58):
And it says, uh in our Revelations seven, it says,
then the elders, then one of the others asked me,
there is who are these in the white robes?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Who are they? And where did they come from? And
it says, I answered, sir, you know, that's pretty powerful,
you know, okay, And it says and he said, these
are they who have come out of the out of
the Great Tribulation. They have washed their robes and made
them white in the blood of the land. And I

(01:51:30):
wanted to point out two things here. One is that
you know, blood, water is the lifeblood of the planet. Okay.
So so if you notice in the garden of Eden,
every had rivers coming out of it, okay. And and
uh and blood is the lifeblood of the of the

(01:51:52):
human or the animal or the living, okay. And so
I wanted to point out something here that that a difference.
It says they are washed the heat, and and they
have washed their robes and made them white in the
blood of the Lamb, not blue, not red, not yeah,

(01:52:17):
white okay. And it identifies the pureness of of of
Christ blood and how we are. And so I believe
that this fire that we're talking about, that that that
people are called, that you go through when you're called
into a ministry, is that whitening process. You can't you

(01:52:43):
can't stand and be beheaded. And without the confidence and
the security of knowing your names in the Lamb's Book
of Life.

Speaker 9 (01:52:52):
Speaking of confidence like it was, you know, this whole process,
you know, I within a week of doing that, I
actually ended up doing my first deliverance session with somebody,
well kind of. I I was in the middle of
church and I prayed and I was I was floored.

(01:53:16):
Just brought to mind the fact that because, like I said,
we were in a community center, sharing, sharing the building
with a community center, and one of the things that
was in that community center was a yoga studio. And
when when we were first yeah, when we were first
like inner, like when we first moved into this this building,
I you know, my pastor's wife was taking me on

(01:53:39):
a tour of the building and then they're like, and
this is the yoga room. And as soon as I
stepped over that threshold, I couldn't breathe. And I'm like, yeah,
I'm good. I stood right outside of the room and
I was like she does, oh you feel that too,
It's like uh huh, Like yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 8 (01:53:55):
Things wow.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
And I walked out of that room, you know, away
from that room. And like for months that we were
the first few months that we were there, I would
refuse to go anywhere near that room, Like I just like, no.

Speaker 8 (01:54:06):
Thanks, don't feel like feeling that feeling.

Speaker 9 (01:54:10):
And also I can't do anything about it because they're there,
you know, Like I can't really, I can't go in
annoint the place before because it's just going to fill
back up the next meeting.

Speaker 8 (01:54:21):
They have you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
That spirit.

Speaker 9 (01:54:26):
Yeah right, So it's pointless at that point. But then
we found out that week that same week I went
through my not signing experience, that they had moved, they
left the building, and so I and it was like
the week this all happened, like the week before.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Easter, maybe you couldn't get in, Well, this is what
happens because you built the shield wall and you didn't
do it. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:54:49):
Maybe maybe it's like, hey, don't go in there. That's
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:54:52):
But what I message.

Speaker 9 (01:54:55):
I got up to the pastor after church. I was like, hey,
have we we like prayed over and anointed that space
since they left it? Oh, he goes, no, we have not.
Go get Cassie, his wife.

Speaker 8 (01:55:10):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:55:10):
It's like so I went and talked to her and
she's like, okay, well let me she goes. She goes,
let me go to my car and get my annoying oils. Like, girl,
I got you. And I pulled it right out of
my pocket because I already had my annointing oil ready.
Like I was like girl, I got you, and she goes,
you are ready. I was like, I told you. God's
put me through spiritual book camp, told me to be

(01:55:31):
ready like he told me.

Speaker 8 (01:55:32):
He gets like.

Speaker 9 (01:55:34):
And so we gathered a couple of prayer team members
and stuff and we went in there and I mentioned
to her, I was like, do they do they because
I never really talked to them very much. Do they
know that I'm like a seer and like things tend
to like show up when I'm around around Yeah, you know.

(01:55:54):
She's like, we're about to find out. So, you know,
we go in there, we start praying and everything, and
I ended up like we were all praying and stuff,
and she this is why it's good to have a team,
because I forgot to leave a door open.

Speaker 8 (01:56:13):
Didn't think of that.

Speaker 9 (01:56:14):
She did, So there you go, because my squirrel brain
would have forgot about that. And so we're praying and stuff,
and I just saw what I would I've seen a
lot of crazy things in my life, but this was
definitely made the top five list of weird things because

(01:56:36):
what happened as they were praying and stuff and things
started leaving is it almost felt like snot was dripping
out of the walls, and then it like formed into
the ball in the middle of the room that I
could only describe as like Flubber from like.

Speaker 8 (01:56:55):
Like movie Flubber.

Speaker 9 (01:56:56):
Okay, and then it like the walk of shame out
of the room okay. And the other lady, one of
the other ladies chill was training with us, she just
I get a sense that maybe it's gone. It's like, oh,
it is, it left, And my pastor's wife looks at
me and like, he tell you later, like once I

(01:57:18):
processed it, because like it took me a couple hours
before I told her what I saw it because I
was like I had to process like what I just
saw because I'm like that was weird, like the weirdest thing.
And so I'm nicknamed that the time I outcast the
spirit of Flubber, yeah, because that's.

Speaker 8 (01:57:39):
Just I didn't know what it was.

Speaker 9 (01:57:40):
It was just like I feel like it was just
like residual like energy from like I don't even think
it was necessarily demon It was just like the whatever
was still hanging around because.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Or Slimber from Ghostbusters.

Speaker 9 (01:57:54):
Then yeah, it was like it was it was so weird,
and I was like I felt crazy and I was
like and I know I've seen everything, all this different
stuff in my life, so that was like just top tier. Okay, Lord,
that was weird. Yeah, you know, I went and prayed
over the whole building. But then, uh, we uh about

(01:58:16):
you know, a few weeks after that, I got called
to do uh they were going to have this the
podcast that was on before told me that they were
gonna do like a conference in the fall, you know,
and she's like, I really want to have like all
of our former guests like kind of just set up
a table and just like you know, to promote their

(01:58:38):
books or their ministries or whatever and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:58:40):
I'm like, okay, cool.

Speaker 9 (01:58:42):
But there was a problem. The book had previously said
that I was an author of. When I did her podcast,
it was not good.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Oh it was.

Speaker 9 (01:58:57):
It was a book that I've written for ADHD people,
and I really should have not published it before taking
it to an editor. Because my sister, after my podcast aired,
she looked at my book and she goes, Teresa, She's like, okay,
one one maybe potentially crazy question. She goes, how many

(01:59:20):
days is this book supposed to be? This devotion was
supposed to be It was like its supposed to be
a thirty day devotional guide for Easily Distracted. She goes, there's.

Speaker 8 (01:59:28):
Twenty eight days.

Speaker 9 (01:59:31):
And I'm like, oh snap, and she's like also there's
like this, this and this, like you misspelled this, and
I'm like okay. So, like I took it off the shelves,
you know, in a panic, and then I kept trying
to like rewrite it and stuff and I couldn't.

Speaker 8 (01:59:48):
I just got frustrated.

Speaker 9 (01:59:49):
I could not get like it just wouldn't work. And
my friend messaged me, like in early June.

Speaker 8 (02:00:00):
She's like, Hey, I feel like.

Speaker 9 (02:00:03):
Maybe the reason why that book isn't working is because
it's not the book you're supposed to write. That You're
supposed to write your story so that way other people
can be set free from the same things that you
were struggling with the way through. And I was like,
you know, that's kind of how I've been thinking. But

(02:00:26):
I just thank you for the final push towards it,
you know. She she kind of listened to the Holy Spirit,
and the Holy Spirit gave me that last little nudge
to you know, get me to do it. And I'm
telling you, I've never had a book flow out of
me so fast. Yeah, like never, like it was like

(02:00:46):
three days, and for two of those days I might
not have slept very much or remembered to eat, but
you know, I got all of it written. And so
it is called The War for My Name, and it
goes through my whole life, from three years old to
when I got delivered from all of this stuff to

(02:01:06):
finally when I had that vision of the dandelions the
dandy lion field. You know, it goes through all of that.
And then the second half of the book is kind
of taking people through some practical steps if they have
their own their own their own battle for their name
and some things that some practical tools on how to

(02:01:30):
like reclaim your identity in Christ or discover your identity
in Christ. And also some notes to people who are
coming out of some of the same things that I did,
and also people who love people who are coming out
of those things to help kind of how to minister
to those people or how to view those things in

(02:01:51):
the light of Christ and stuff.

Speaker 8 (02:01:55):
So that's my book.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
It's on it's available on Amazon and anything else.

Speaker 9 (02:02:01):
Yeah, So it's on Amazon and Kindle. The Kindle versions
kind of has some technical difficulties in it, but you
can still read it. It's just it's just that's why
I haven't said at ninety nine cents there, because it's
like quality is not the greatest because I didn't learn

(02:02:22):
how to format kindle.

Speaker 8 (02:02:24):
Things, right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
So yeah, that's been for that's been my little issue
for me, is is the formatting part for the various ones,
you know, and and I end up looking to buy
a system that formats it for all of them, and
then I hear negatives that they actually don't work, and

(02:02:46):
you know, it's it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (02:02:49):
So I just like, I'm like, you know what, I'm
just gonna let it be what it is.

Speaker 8 (02:02:52):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
You know. Sometimes it's rough for a reason, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:02:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
And one of the things too, is like so I
like this whole journey has been a wild ride, especially
this year, and like I got my book published in August,
you know, and I got an opportunity to do a
local like a local book signing at a local bookshop here,

(02:03:21):
and so I did that and afterwards I was praying
and like, Okay, God, what's next, you know, like what's next?
And then he said this strange thing, this thing that
I didn't want to hear. He said, I want you
to do a one year social media sabbatical.

Speaker 8 (02:03:41):
Wow, Like, what do you mean?

Speaker 9 (02:03:46):
What do you mean the social media sabbatical for a year.
It's like I just published a book. Don't you know
how much I have to like promote it to get
it to sell since I'm a self published author, you know,
like I have to do all the promotional work.

Speaker 3 (02:04:00):
Yeah, like and all of.

Speaker 9 (02:04:01):
That's usually primarily like on social media. Like how am
I supposed to do that?

Speaker 8 (02:04:09):
You know?

Speaker 9 (02:04:10):
What am I?

Speaker 8 (02:04:11):
And then he's like do you trust me?

Speaker 9 (02:04:12):
I'm like, well yeah, but yeah, but like how is
this gonna work? And he's like just trust me, and
I'm like okay, and then you know everything, So I've
made a plan. I was like, Okay, my birthdays on
the twenty seventh of September and that's when I'll start it.
So I'm like making this plan of like how I'm

(02:04:35):
gonna slowly lean off of social media and stuff and
kind of the.

Speaker 8 (02:04:39):
Few hundred handful of people that actually.

Speaker 9 (02:04:43):
Watch my social media stuff, you know, prepare them ahead
of time, you know. And I was like, well, I'll
do a blog because that's not social media. That's just
simply me like stating things and leaving it at that,
you know, so we agreed that that was did not
count as social media. And so I have a blog

(02:05:05):
called the Dandelion Rebellion Dot blog. That's where I'm kind
of sharing my thoughts and musings for the next year.
One lyon what now Dandylion Rebellion Dot.

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
Dandie Lion Rebellion Okay, yes, and.

Speaker 9 (02:05:21):
It kind of has to do with that Dandy Lion story,
so I can kind of play onwards there. But and
I'm also still not really sure what the full shape
of it is yet. Yeah, Like I know it's like
a launching point for a ministry and like it's going
to be you know, mainly about deliverance and stuff, but
what it all looks like yet not really sure. I know,

(02:05:44):
like recently I've worked with some people about dealing with
like generational curses, so I definitely think when I talk
about deliverance ministry, you know, it's not just casting out demons. Well,
I'm sure I'm going to encounter that. In fact, I
know I'm going to because gave me a dream a
couple of weeks ago, but made that very clear. But

(02:06:07):
that's just part of the work that's actually a small
part of the work we are.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Doing, and you know it's not And I was just
becoming a roofer. You know, you had to learn how
to rotate the nails within your hand. They call it
fingering nails, so you could pull one forward and hit
it with a hammer, and pull the next one floor
and hit it with a hammer and a sequence. And
it takes muscle mary, it takes practice and everything. But

(02:06:34):
after a while, you don't even think about it just happens.
And you know, when you're working, like you worked at
McDonald's and when you go to make a sandwich, it
just when you first try and you know, make that
sandwich and you got to weigh this way that it's
it's tedious. But then after a while you're making like
four hundred an hour and you don't even know it,

(02:06:56):
you know. And and so I think the dealing and
the what other people think is is is is out
there is really spectacular, like dealing with demons and stuff.
I think that that to those that do it on
a regular basis, it's like, Okay, this is a standard.

(02:07:17):
It's not. It sounds like it's it's crazy, but it's
actually very standard. They're everywhere you know.

Speaker 9 (02:07:23):
And it's it's not as crazy as it sounds either.
It's you know, it's a lot more quieter, you know
than it. But like one of the things I've dealt
with too is and I realized why He's called me
to this social media sabbatical is to like rid myself

(02:07:45):
of distraction so I can focus on getting.

Speaker 8 (02:07:49):
My house in order.

Speaker 9 (02:07:50):
And I mean that in both a physical, spiritual, emotional
all of it, since you know, so that way when
when I go out, when I fully step into all
of this, I'm prepared.

Speaker 8 (02:08:05):
I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
You know that you're not looking back, as the Bible says, right.

Speaker 9 (02:08:11):
So I'm I'm also but I'm also like protected too
because I don't like, I feel like God is fully
refining me now in this season to where there's not
any footholds that they can try to you know, get
me with, you know. So we're working on some of
those things, you know, big time this year. But the

(02:08:35):
thing he did to me just a couple of weeks
ago is give me this dream that there was this
lady walking down the aisle, walking down the alleyway towards me,
and she says help me, and I just without flinching
without hesitating, cast evens out of her and heal her
from whatever, just see is she had and pray for
healing over her and stuff. And like I woke up

(02:08:57):
from that dream and I was like, Lord, I know
sometime like reveal things like in the future. It's like,
that's like ten years from now, right. I was like,
that's not like this week crazy because I'm not ready
for that level of boldness yet. Yeah, it's like we're
not there yet. He's like, oh, but it's almost like

(02:09:21):
Then a couple of days later, after I've been mulling
over this with him, he's like, it almost like I
gave you that dream to prepare you to that way.
You know exactly what she looks like, Like you know,
you're not you know what she's wearing.

Speaker 8 (02:09:35):
Like, He's like, you know exactly what she looks like.

Speaker 9 (02:09:38):
You know, so you know now, like when that person
comes up to you, you know without a doubt what
you're supposed to do.

Speaker 8 (02:09:45):
It's almost like I gave you that dream.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
It's like seeing the battles before you actually entered the battlefield.

Speaker 9 (02:09:52):
Yeah, and I have a sense that I know who
that person is, but it's it's somebody that I misministered
to before that's kind of fallen away.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
M hmm.

Speaker 9 (02:10:06):
But I could be wrong though, So I don't know
for sure, because he didn't that would be too easy
giving me the face of the person. I just got
a shirt color and hair color, like.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
Well, you know, I like, yeah, you know, here's your sign.

Speaker 9 (02:10:27):
Yeah, like those are going to be your signs, you know,
like brown hair, yellow shirt.

Speaker 8 (02:10:31):
Help me. That's all we got, you know, That's that's
all I get.

Speaker 9 (02:10:36):
And I'm like, it might be, it might be, and
and so I'm like, well that was interesting. But he's
like he said that dream and he's like and it's
almost like maybe I'll reveal to her to come to you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
Well see that's the way I pray, and and that's
the way. That's the way I pray, because I I
was I've always believed in as you go, yes you minister,
and so as I go, if I'm going the way,
if i'm if every step I take is where God
wants me to be, and I don't want to be
anywhere else. But if and you and I know that

(02:11:17):
that doesn't always take place, but I want to take
every step with him, then it's only logical that I pray, Lord,
for those that you want to speak to me, those
that you want me to minister, to bring them to me,
reveal them to me. And and and I call it

(02:11:37):
the Noah effect. And Noah, Noah didn't call the animals,
they just came.

Speaker 9 (02:11:45):
And yeah, And I think that's a good picture of
how kind of like the deliverance ministry just kind of works.
I don't feel like I'm going to have to ever
really advertise or like say, hey, if you need it,
I'm here. I think God's just going to put it,
put them in my path, like you know, and it

(02:12:06):
requires me being open to it. But also a big
emphasis on my ministry is going to be education, you know,
like teaching people about their authority in Christ.

Speaker 8 (02:12:18):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:12:19):
And I know this is airing on Halloween, so I'm
gonna just say this is as if as if it
is actually Halloween, you know, because this night, you know,
a lot of Christians have this idea that we like
hide on that night. We don't, we don't participate, We

(02:12:40):
just kind of hide away. It's it's the Devil's day,
Devil's night, you know. I like to fire back with
that about that because the scripture says that when Jesus
was founding his church, he said to Peter upon this,
I will build my church, and the gates of Hell

(02:13:02):
will not prevail against it. The gates are defensive mechanisms.
They're they're protective mechanisms.

Speaker 8 (02:13:13):
They're they're they're.

Speaker 9 (02:13:14):
What are on city walls that keep people out. Okay,
they're not weapons, they're protectors, you know. So the idea
there isn't that you know, when they attack, they won't
harm us.

Speaker 8 (02:13:32):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (02:13:34):
The idea is is that when we as Christians stand
in our authority in Christ and we attack the gates
of Hell, they will crumble, they will fall. We have
the authority, we have the upper hand, and so why
why do we hide in our little caves, you know,

(02:13:54):
other than deception and lives that have been told to
us for centuries and that make us think that we're
supposed to be fearful of thinks.

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
You know, why should you act like bunny rabbits?

Speaker 9 (02:14:04):
Right when we're called to shoot first, you know, we're
called to to attack first, and when we do, yes,
when we advance, they will crumble.

Speaker 8 (02:14:21):
Like because we have the authority, we have the power.
So my whole motto on Halloween is Satan doesn't get
a day. You don't get a day in my house.

Speaker 9 (02:14:32):
I live on a main street in this town, and
so I have like hundreds of kids that come through
every year. So it's always been a thing to me,
like I'm going to hand out candy. Not only that,
we've easily become one of the best houses on the block.

(02:14:52):
You know, I would say the whole neighborhood that I'm
being modest, you know, like they look forward to coming
to her house because few years ago, there was a
TikTok trend about like doing candy or potato, and I
was like, oh, that's cute, that's funny. So I started
doing it like that first year, like three years ago.
I started like just offering candy or potato, and these

(02:15:14):
kids went not to over these potatoes, Okay, Like they
loved it to the point that kids would come back
because they heard about it in town, you know somehow,
and they came through and they're like, do you have
any more potatoes.

Speaker 8 (02:15:28):
I'm not gonna sorry, I'm out. So I only got five.

Speaker 9 (02:15:30):
I had only gotten five pound bag of potatoes because
I was like, surely kids aren't gonna pick potato you know.
And then so it just kind of developed it because
I've always said, if you're gonna hand tracks out, you
better not hand out child's play candy. Like, if you're
gonna hand tracks out, if you're going to share the gospel,
you better be one of the best houses on the block. Yeah,

(02:15:52):
you better have the good candy. I'm not telling you
you got to go out and get full sized candy
bars and all that, but like you better have the
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:16:00):
Like you there be, So you're turning it into a
fishing event, right. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:16:06):
This is my one hundred percent my biggest evangelism night,
Like it is my biggest night to share the gospel,
you know, my whole display, Like I have skulls and
crossbones everywhere, and then I have tombstones that have scriptures
about how God brings Jesus brings what was dead.

Speaker 8 (02:16:25):
Back to life.

Speaker 9 (02:16:26):
You know, I am the resurrection in the life, you know,
all of those like scriptures on tombstones, you know. Like
so it kind of like it's almost like I am
kind of camouflaged, you know, because because there's the spooky
element to it a little bit. But like you know,
I still have like the gospel as the main focal
point in my decorations, you know, And so I hand

(02:16:51):
out candy and potatoes, and last year I got ten
pounds and still sold out. So this year I'm thinking
I need to get fifteen or twenty pounds. Wow, especially
since the kids are when this started, I started to
put my decorations out. We have a bus stop right
by our house, and and the kids come off the
bus and they're like, are you gonna have potatoes this year?
You know, like they're looking forward to these potatoes and.

Speaker 8 (02:17:13):
What they do with them.

Speaker 9 (02:17:14):
I have no idea, but.

Speaker 8 (02:17:18):
Like, but they just love the potatoes.

Speaker 9 (02:17:21):
And because of being a fun house, they also usually
freely take the gospel tracks to like you know, and
they enjoy. And also I blast worship music.

Speaker 8 (02:17:32):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:17:33):
Now when I say worship music, some like people might
question whether it's worship music because there's a lot of
Christian metal.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
And you know, Tim's a Christian metal band lead singer, and.

Speaker 8 (02:17:48):
So like one of.

Speaker 9 (02:17:54):
One of the bag songs is like take Back with
the Enemy stole by a Skillet and you.

Speaker 15 (02:17:59):
Know you too, you too are two peas in upon
so I can share what my play was with with
you all later text it to you when I'm done
on here.

Speaker 9 (02:18:10):
But because I have like just everything just bringing back
to the idea that God Christ brings what was dead
back to life, you know, And like the whole playlist
is kind of leaning towards that I did put some
fun ones in there too, you know, like in the beginning.

Speaker 8 (02:18:29):
So you know, not anything.

Speaker 1 (02:18:33):
Tim knows this. It's very, very very and proclaim it
all the time. I don't believe in accidents. I don't believe.
I believe that God is in charge, and God has
always been in charge, and that that he allows things
to happen or he ordains things to happen. And I
and so I don't believe that your meeting Tim was

(02:18:55):
an accident. I think that that that supporting your ministry
is is right up our ally. And maybe this is
why God has your sabbatical from because I'm not on
a sabbatical. And uh and so I think that Tim,
we think you think we should have her on in
like three or four months update and uh and and

(02:19:18):
and between now and then, we'll just promote her books
and she can stay in contact with you on Facebook,
and and we can and and her and her blog,
and we can promote her blog in her book, and
and let God's ministry take take hold, you.

Speaker 3 (02:19:34):
Know, And I love what you're doing with Halloween because
so many people in church, so many Christians, how you say,
shy away from it and get scared and oh, I'm
going to hide out in my house and turn off
all the lights like I'm not home. Like okay, Well.

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
Here's the deal, tim, you and I know that if
I get up and and if I get it in
front of people, and I start talking to him about
you know, uh, facing life in prison and and shooting
people and and and the crazy things that that I
did when I was before I accepted Christ. Uh, that
the and and they're not going to be there for

(02:20:09):
the end of it, okay there and and they're not
going to relate to it. And part of it is
a relation. Okay, if you're not in the if you're
not within the right group, that you can't share certain
things because all it does is alienate them. And uh,
and it's not that they're bad, it's not that they're
not going to be in heaven with us. It's just
they can't swallow. They can't swallow the pill. They can't

(02:20:31):
take it. And and God has certain john or certain
niches for her ministry. He has a certain niche for
our ministry. He is and and and these people, many
of the people that are in the church, body don't
they have They have no understanding of the world that

(02:20:53):
we reach. They have no knowledge of why we do
what we do. And that is actually a testament of calling. Yeah, yeah,
look at you. You mentioned uh reluctant messenger Jonah. Jonah.
The whole people said, why are you going to them?

(02:21:13):
You shouldn't go. Then they're they're this, they're that right.
And the.

Speaker 9 (02:21:18):
Most comforting part of my the whole reading of Jonah
was for me is the end of the book where
he still complains about how it was done. Yeah because
like because because like sometimes like I'll get after doing
something like well that was weird or that was why yeah,
like that was like huh yeah, get upset?

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Why yeah, why did I have to do that? You know?

Speaker 9 (02:21:48):
Yeah, you know, this whole whole beer has been kind
of like one big giant trust ball with with God.
And like a couple of times when I've he's been
like I've joked that he doesn't gentle parent me because
because he doesn't he does not gentle parent me at all,

(02:22:09):
and uh.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
But wrapped in and air bubble wrap.

Speaker 9 (02:22:15):
And because that same day that I did the whole,
the whole uh slimmer the yeah, the blubber spear of blubber.
The same day, I after after I did that, I
was praying over the whole building and I decided that
a short time because there's a lot of like doors
and windows and mirrors and stuff in that building. I'm like,

(02:22:36):
I do every door, window mirror in this whole building.
It's gonna take me hours and I need more annointing
oil than I have. So I was like, I feel
like it's enough to just pray over that one room
that was targeted and then go around the whole like
perimeter of the exterior of the building, Yeah, and pray
over it. Like I feel like that's enough. But what's
the problem is is it's on the hillside, okay, and

(02:22:58):
it's like in the hillside. And so to go around
the building, I had to climb up the hill. And
as I'm puffing and puffing and going up the hill,
the Holy Spirit I thought that he was going to
be comforting. No, this is what he says to me.
Go see this is why we need to get your
union shape, because you can't be huffing and puffing while
you're trying to cast out demons. That wasn't nice.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
I'm you, you are a gentle soul. I mean I
am a spirit bomb. Okay, I walk into a building
and I go, Okay, you're out of here. I don't
care where you're at. There's a there's a hurt.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
I know where.

Speaker 1 (02:23:35):
There's a pig farm, and I and I command every
one of you to go in that pig farm right now.
And the name of is Christ. Get out of here.
You can't be with it, don't you. I forbid you
to be within one hundred miles of me right now,
and I need you gone this minute. And the name
of Ji is Christ. And I just and I do.
I'm a nuclear blast. Play level the building. In other words, spiritually,

(02:24:03):
I don't. I don't play the room by room or
the mirrors.

Speaker 9 (02:24:10):
When I'm doing spiritu warfare, I mean business. We're not
playing anymore. One of the things I did is I
prayed over and annoyed my sister's house. And she was
just dumbfounded by the fact the shift that happened.

Speaker 8 (02:24:25):
She's like, you went full.

Speaker 9 (02:24:26):
Big sister mode, like because I was like, I'm not
one of the songs I played is I think.

Speaker 8 (02:24:32):
It's from.

Speaker 9 (02:24:35):
Or it's like just a snippet of a song, but
it's like it was a TikTok trying. It said, the
devil can't have me or my or my family. This
is a fiction notice to the enemy machine breakers in
the room, you know. And so I'm sitting there screaming
that's on top of my lungs, like like yelling at
whatever's in the house, like get out, like, and She's like,

(02:24:57):
that is a total shift from what I'm used to seeing.

Speaker 8 (02:25:02):
It was like, listen, because you are not a demon. Sorry,
you are a demon. It's like a reserve of my anger.

Speaker 1 (02:25:14):
One of the stories there's when I went to because
I you don't know this, but Tim does, as I
work in the Illinois part of the year, and so
I went to Illinois to work and I was working.
I work with this one company and and uh and
one of the gentlemen on that machine named him and
his girlfriend or whatever they live in fiance, live in Fiance.

(02:25:36):
They they kind of me and they go, dude, we
have an issue, and what do you mean there's that
there's there's ghosts in our house. It makes noise, the
doors open, lights come on. It's it's like crazy. And
I go and I go, can you do anything about it?
And I go, no, I can't do a thing about it.
But I know someone that they camp and and and

(02:25:58):
he goes. He goes, okay, could you come over? And
I go, no, I don't have to. I can just say, hey, Lord,
what's the address? And I said, he already knows it.
And I said, so when you get home tonight, they
will be gone. And they come back two days later,
and they were elated. They said, we don't know what
you did. And I go, I didn't do anything. Yeah,

(02:26:20):
all I did was I'll call it out. I go,
I go, God knows everything. Okay.

Speaker 9 (02:26:26):
That's interesting because we go back to that story where
I told you, like God told me that I'm gonna
help break every spirit of witchcraft over the Tristate area.
Something that's interesting is around this area and people. I've
had this verified by multiple people, not just people I know,
but people have asked that like live in this area

(02:26:48):
that I don't really know. We've all noticed that you
get to a certain point away from like this area,
and it feels like this spiritual oppression that just lifts
mm hmm from your from your like you just feel
it left, Like you just feel lighter once you've left
this area, you know, and once you come back into

(02:27:08):
this area, you kind of feel that heaviness, you know.
And it's very subtle, and I don't think a lot
of people like notice it, you know, because yeah, and
some could argue it's because of like the depress the
economic depression and stuff that's in the area and stuff,
but I disagree with that. I think it's mostly spiritual.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
Economical can follow spiritual, you know, you can. You can
have an economically depressed area, and it's only because the
spirit has been depressed. And once the spirit's awakened and
freedom is released into the area, all kinds of enterprise
everything takes off and and and just explodes and and

(02:27:57):
so yeah, I think and I don't think God calls
us to someplace that that doesn't need us.

Speaker 9 (02:28:04):
Right And that's so I was like, what is the area?
Because I was like, where what do you mean by
tristate area? Like where where's the zone?

Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
Like?

Speaker 9 (02:28:12):
And so I he brought to mind that oppression that
I feel you know, and I was like, so, I've
talked to several people when I kind of I had
some ideas as to where I felt the end, and
so I actually went on Google Maps and I made
a map like figuring out where this area, like where

(02:28:38):
exactly the circle of oppression is really disturbingly, We're not
going to talk too deeply about the fact that it
creates a pentagram.

Speaker 1 (02:28:50):
Mm hmm. Yeah, it's probably that's not I.

Speaker 9 (02:28:57):
Know if in fact I know exactly where was created,
where it was created, and it was an Akron, Ohio
because Akron, Ohio is one of the main hubs of
like witchcraft and like Satanist and stuff in this area.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
If you go to the points, if you go to
the points, you're gonna find probably find markers, you know,
yeah somewhere.

Speaker 9 (02:29:18):
Yeah, I haven't The one point I know where it's
at is down the south southernmost point and I haven't
really found anything. But that doesn't mean it's not there,
right you know, Yeah, or was done centuries ago and
it's like been like lost, you know, in shrubbery or whatever.

(02:29:39):
But there is suspiciously a graveyard right there, so that
could be something. But you know, it was that's a right,
but it was. It was just pretty wild that, like

(02:30:06):
I normally it was not only my own experience, but
I validated what I like. I just open ended question
people about like where they feel it, and it's like
it perfectly lines up.

Speaker 1 (02:30:19):
Yeah, I like that does the Google pins and the
map pins and so they they find the pentagram and
then they and then they pinpoint the tips and then
they drop a pin there and then they and it
actually gives them a numeral you know Satans and the numbers.

(02:30:41):
It gives them the numeral location of it.

Speaker 9 (02:30:45):
Actually looking at that, I didn't even think about looking
at that. I was just looking at the area and like,
and I was thinking strategically before I made the map.
I was like I would just start walking like prayer
walking it and stuff, and they praying over this area.
And then I found out it was like eight hundred
square miles.

Speaker 1 (02:31:03):
I'm like, nope, you can you you might have been
called to become.

Speaker 8 (02:31:10):
No, thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:31:13):
I was like, now, do I have plans to maybe
get a team together and like prayer drive it like
around the perimeter. Yes, that's still a thought in the process.
The other thing is is that I've found what I
call a spiritual vantage point, which is right near my house. Ironically,

(02:31:35):
I'm like, that's interesting, Lord that you It's almost like
you planned all this, you know. It's almost like you
planned it all because like one of the spots in
this area is is like overlooked. It overlooks the Ohio River,
and from there I can see Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio,

(02:32:00):
like I can.

Speaker 8 (02:32:00):
Physically see it.

Speaker 9 (02:32:02):
And so like from that spot from where I'm praying,
I can pray over the whole area without having to
like be in the whole area, you know, And so
I go over there quite frequently, you know, and just
pray and declare things over this whole area, you know,
And I figure the river, you know, will take it

(02:32:23):
even further than that, because you know, further than what
I can see.

Speaker 8 (02:32:27):
You know that we're.

Speaker 9 (02:32:29):
Talking spiritual stuff, not physical, so we're not operating, and
that we're you know, I can pray from afar and
it still works. But also I've developed like a list
of like the names of that every town in that
area or in that circle and stuff, and I've just
been like strategically like.

Speaker 8 (02:32:45):
Praying over those areas and stuff.

Speaker 9 (02:32:48):
And I want to develop it further and get like
I would like to get like all the schools, all
the churches, like start growing it to where like I
have this database of like places to like tended to
pray over specifically.

Speaker 1 (02:33:04):
Right. Yeah, there's when I market. When I market an area,
I actually put a like a like a dartboard. I
actually put a spot in the center, and then I
starts right next to that dot. I go full circle.
Then I go a little bit wider, and I get

(02:33:24):
a little bit wider, and I get a little bit
wider until I cover quite a bit area. But it
all starts from that center. And it sounds like that
you might be in the center of the dartboard.

Speaker 9 (02:33:35):
I am, that's ironically too, Like I looked at that
in like right here is like pretty much the middle.

Speaker 8 (02:33:42):
Of where this whole thing is.

Speaker 1 (02:33:44):
That sounds appropriate.

Speaker 9 (02:33:46):
Yeah, yeah, so it's it's just it's been a wild ride,
and I just look forward to what the world is
going to do.

Speaker 1 (02:33:54):
Well, not only that, here's here's something that a lot
of people in in in the do. What all of
us do is we don't always look at this, but
the fact that's a testimony to God. It's a testimony
to his existence as a testimony to his validation. Is
the Bible says that everything testifies to me, okay, and

(02:34:18):
glorifies me. And the fact that your dead center of
this situation is a testimony to his hand, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (02:34:30):
So he knows what he's doing with.

Speaker 9 (02:34:32):
Unfortunately, it means I'm not moving any time soon.

Speaker 1 (02:34:37):
What doesn't mean you can't travel tours and vacations and
and you know, and uh yeah, because definitely engagements speaking
and everybody does, and you know, you can everybody gets
burned out. It's and the and the person says they
don't is I had somebody I'll tell you s. I

(02:35:00):
had some lady. My wife and I were in the
store and the lady told me. She says, she's all
bubbly and up to the you know and all stuff.
And I come in. I'm kind of I've got my
mind on something that's kind of depressing me a little bit.
And she says, she says, are we denying God? And

(02:35:20):
I go no. And she goes, are we sinning in
our in our spirit? And I go no. She goes, well,
you're not rejoicing in the Lord. And I said no,
not this second. And I said but my soul, my
spirit is, but not my emotional situation. And she says,

(02:35:42):
she says, you need God wants you to come out
of that and all stuff. And I go, I go, Actually,
I said, I'm sorry. And she goes, so you're saying
that I'm sinning because I'm not all uppity and bubbly
and just filled with the spirit and all the stuff
as you see. And she goes, yes, And I go,
nobody can be one hundred percent of the time. And
she goes, oh, yes, you can.

Speaker 16 (02:36:04):
And I said, was Jesus, do you think that any
of the any of the disciples, all the disciples were
brutally killed, tortured or exiled. I go, do you think
there was not a time when they were down?

Speaker 1 (02:36:20):
I go, I go and Jonah and Jonah, Jonah not
only was down, he was actually angry.

Speaker 8 (02:36:26):
He was he was upset.

Speaker 12 (02:36:28):
And I go and and I go and look at
look at Noah. Noah was the last righteous man on
the planet. And the first thing that Noah did was
when he got off the boat was grow a winery
and get chink and drunk.

Speaker 9 (02:36:43):
And then it's like also like i I've also like
with with Prophecy, and stuff like, I've really taken a
liking to Elijah, you know, and he thinking it was
him that was like in the in the field and
like feeling like he's going to die and telling God

(02:37:05):
how he's going to die out here and all this
whining and what about Jeremiah, and and he just says,
he just goes, hey, maybe you just need a snack
and a nap, and he gives them a snack from
you know, the angel brings a snack and then he
takes a nap and he feels better afterwards. And I'm

(02:37:26):
telling you, there's sometimes where I've I've gone through some
things there, you know, and my husband just gently reminds me, Hey, i.

Speaker 1 (02:37:33):
Mean, yeah, that's why you know, that's where such a
thing is called Christian retreats. That's what they come from. Okay,
we need to recharge, you know. And not only that,
but look at you. You're you're an author. And and
sometimes I know pastors that that until they go on

(02:37:54):
that that that forty five days in the wilderness, until
they get away from me everything and get spiritually attuned,
the book just comes right out of them, okay. And musicians,
some of the musicians, once they get away from all
the hoop law and the hecticness and everything else and

(02:38:15):
the daily grind. Oh they write, they write a song.
It's a hit, you know. And uh and so sometimes
I see, I think we're operating on God's uh program,
not ours, and we don't fully understand it. But you know,
and I mean, I spoke with a missionary who went

(02:38:36):
to who was sent into a very terrible atmosphere where
people were being hacked up with machetes and things like that,
and and and he gave a testimony and and and
he was back for his denomination and he was here
to basic click to ensure that the funding kept coming, okay,

(02:38:58):
and and the missionary funds kept coming and uh and
so he was doing a tour here for that and
and what Americans, Westerners have it so pampered and and
so easy that we don't understand that there were actually
every day martyrs for Christ and uh and and so

(02:39:22):
we but those of us that are in the trenches
and see stuff. What's really disheartening for me is when
I know I'm incapable of helping, when I can't do
a thing about it, and I feel, yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (02:39:37):
Like when I don't want to.

Speaker 9 (02:39:39):
I didn't want to bring up this, but you know,
Holy Spare has a way of doing it. It's like
so like when I went when I was going to
do my sabbatical, I uh was going to do it
on the twenty seventh of September, you know, I was
going to wait till my birthday and then just flip

(02:40:02):
off the face of the earth for yeah, the social
media of earth anyways, you know, for for the year.

Speaker 8 (02:40:11):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:40:13):
Well, then everything that kind of happened a couple of
weeks prior to that happened in society, yeah, yeah, with
Charlie Kirk and everything, and I watched in a period
of a week, I watched two people die on my
phone screen and I was just like, yep, that's enough,

(02:40:37):
Like I'm done, Like I'm not gonna watch such. I'm done,
I'm gonna start it now. And I literally like within
a few days after Charlie's death, I just totally came
off of the social media right away because I was like,
and my pastor's wife, who knows that I have a

(02:40:57):
gift of prophecy, she was kind of like, how are
you feeling? And I'm like, it's not good. I don't
feel great right now. I was like, and I'm not
really ready to speak about what I feel. I was like,
because it's hard to put into words. I was like, also,

(02:41:22):
it's just such a volatile situation.

Speaker 1 (02:41:26):
Like.

Speaker 9 (02:41:27):
The whole thing is just a mess. And I was like,
and you know, I was just really really frustrated with everything,
and so it's like it's a good time for me
to just not be on the interwebs anymore, you know,
like a good time for me to just back away
from all of it.

Speaker 8 (02:41:49):
And so I was.

Speaker 9 (02:41:51):
But that night that after Charlie kirk death, I was
like asking God, like what's going on?

Speaker 8 (02:41:57):
Like what is this?

Speaker 9 (02:41:58):
And you know, also just really more than anything, I
was like devastated for his kids, Like sure it just
as a mom. I'm just like devastated, you know about it.
And the next morning, and this is my ending, my

(02:42:19):
end babble is I've been praying this prayer sporadically but
more consistently lately, and it's I prayed at night because
I have ADHD and so I'm a squirrel brain. I
tell the Lord, I pray to God and I ask him,
I saying, Lord, get into my mind before I do

(02:42:40):
M like before I start off on any little rabbit
trails or squirrel hunts or whatever else I go on today,
like get into my head before I do, like do
it so prayer, see it dangerous prayer. I will say
that because God has been waking me up with some
pretty profound thoughts and like, Lord.

Speaker 8 (02:43:00):
I haven't even had coffee yet.

Speaker 9 (02:43:04):
This morning, you know, like whoa, Like that was too much,
that's too big. So the morning thought of the day
after Charlie kirk uh death was come up out of
her my people and I was like, oh, are we there,

(02:43:25):
And he's like, yeah, that's where we're at, you know,
speaking about Babylon, you know, coming up out of Babylon
a couple out of my people. You know, it's like
no longer. It was like and and what's weird? I
don't know how you guys feel about La Craye or anything.

Speaker 1 (02:43:46):
I don't know about it.

Speaker 8 (02:43:49):
He's a rapper. What was wild? Is like a couple of.

Speaker 3 (02:43:52):
Weeks ago, that's a Christian rapper.

Speaker 8 (02:43:55):
Yeah, he's a Christian rapper.

Speaker 9 (02:43:57):
And like a couple of weeks ago, I was set
my friend and sent me this YouTube video of his
and she's like, wasn't this exactly what you were saying.
And like he basically confirmed everything that I had experienced
and said about this stuff. And I'm like, and he
and in the time, at that time, that same day

(02:44:18):
when he had his vision while I was having my thought,
he was in like Africa. So I'm like, so some
dude in Africa got the same word basically that I
got at the same time.

Speaker 8 (02:44:32):
Yeah, h wild, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
Yeah, Tim, And I actually said that before many times, Tim,
that the things that we're doing or the things that
we've mentioned, h it's not a message that's just given
to us. It's been given to tons of people across
the whole planet. And uh and and that's another testimony
to God.

Speaker 9 (02:44:57):
So I would like to share a Bible verse.

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
Sure, said, like, amen, if.

Speaker 9 (02:45:02):
We wanted to make this the official clothes wrap up
or whatever, we can add this snippet in somewhere. But
one of the verses that stuck out to me. I
was like, Lord, I need a Bible verse for this thing,
you know, like I don't like not having some kind

(02:45:23):
of scripture, like direct quote scripture. And he gave me
John eight verses twelve and says, I am the light
of the world. Whoever follows me will never lock in darkness,
but we'll have the light of life.

Speaker 8 (02:45:36):
And so look out.

Speaker 9 (02:45:38):
My whole story, my whole testimony has been has been
where he has revealed himself to be the light and
there's nothing too dark that he can't bring to lighten.

Speaker 1 (02:45:53):
You know, amen, you know it's a years ago. I
was at a promise keeper's event and like in the nineties,
and uh, and one of the pastors there said that
that when you see a star in the sky, it's
surrounded by millions of miles of darkness. And he said

(02:46:18):
and and he said, but that stars nothing. That light
travels all the way to us. And he says, it
may take it. We don't know how far away it
may take, how many light years it's going to take
to get to us. But we see it every night.
He goes, But it may have been four years ago

(02:46:38):
the light of that day that we're now seen, and
he goes, And that's this. And God can can be
there in the moment, and he can be there in advance,
and he can be because he's not constricted by time. Amen.

Speaker 3 (02:46:54):
Amen.

Speaker 9 (02:46:54):
So you talked about promoting my book as like it
might be books by the time I'm done, that's good. Well,
when I'm on a sabbatical and I've got nothing else
to do, I mean except clean my house, which I'm
like looking for any excuse not to do.

Speaker 8 (02:47:12):
You know, it's like somebody somebody told I joked about.

Speaker 9 (02:47:15):
Somebody to somebody that is like, I'd rather do a
rather cast out demons than do dishes.

Speaker 1 (02:47:22):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 14 (02:47:25):
I'm with you, And I said parenthood is a good
example of I also likened it to parenthood because I
was like, parenthood is harder than casting out demons because
at least demons listen, you.

Speaker 9 (02:47:41):
Know, dest when you tell them to down and like, yeah,
like when when I tell my kids to shut up
and sit down, he's like, I'll talk to me like that.

Speaker 8 (02:47:55):
No.

Speaker 9 (02:47:58):
Yeah, So but it's just interesting how you know, I
do almost prefer being do another crazy stuff then the
mundane stuff. And I think that's the lesson that God's
trying to teach me, is like, hey, you got to
do the mundane stuff to get to do the other stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:48:14):
You know, a lot of people get wrapped up in
what they're doing and they forget the other stuff that
God gave them to love and to care for into.

Speaker 9 (02:48:24):
And one of the wild things is is like I've
been doing this study from the Bible Project. I love
those guys, by the way, the Project Tim and what
his name?

Speaker 8 (02:48:33):
What is his name? Tim?

Speaker 1 (02:48:34):
And I forget his name, But anyway, I don't even
like them.

Speaker 8 (02:48:44):
The Bible. The Bible Project, they have the this whole series.

Speaker 9 (02:48:49):
Yeah, they have this whole series called Kosh Dragons, And
I am dig into like the folklore and stuff and
so like it's talking about all of the dragons in
the Bible, and I'm like, oh, yes, let me do this,
like let me listen to this, like cause it's like
talking about all the dragon and mythology in the Bible,

(02:49:10):
and like how like the Biblical writers used the common
dragon mythology that was around them to describe God and
to describe Satan and all of the different things and stuff.
But one of the biggest things is that the dragon
is representative of chaos, you know, in general, you know,
as a broad term is it's a representative of chaos and.

Speaker 8 (02:49:34):
What you know.

Speaker 9 (02:49:34):
And I'm like, so if chaos is dragon behavior, and
it says that God is not a god of disorder
but of chaos, but of peace, then that means all
chaos is not necessarily of God. And I had to

(02:49:57):
take a hard look around the house in the mess
and be like mm hmm, yeah, this is not good.
It's not necessarily and and that's one of the things
that they did to put me at ease, because I
was like, well, if it's not good, then it's evil.
But they're like, that's not necessarily true either, because sometimes

(02:50:19):
things that are not good are just bad. They're not evil,
they're just not healthy, they're not thriving, they're not things.
They're anti creation.

Speaker 1 (02:50:31):
You know, Yeah, gray areas, and yeah, but I don't
believe in I believe they're good and that's of God,
and then there's bad. But I believe that that just
like somebody learning to be just starting in school and

(02:50:53):
learning to become something that's all gray, ay, you know,
and and wicked and you you coming into your ministry
and going through the fire and you know, like Shadrack
Mishek in a bed to go. They they were cast
into the fire, and that was their ultimatum. But there's
a whole lot of gray areas where they had to
stand firm in God testing before they got there. And

(02:51:17):
these testings weren't evil, they were they were they were
tests and the and Abraham was put to tests and
with Isaac and and and there's tons and tons of
tests that are that that evil is allowed to do
because it serves God's purpose. And people will always say, well,
you're saying God's evil. Well no, I'm saying that everything

(02:51:39):
glorifies God. And even Lucifer was an angel of God.
He was created by God. Do you think that God, Almighty,
God Almighty, who knows the past, all the past, present, future,
everything is outside of time? Do you the Bible? There's
a word in the Bible that that that I think
failed in translation, and that is it that Lucifer was

(02:52:03):
found with evil in it. So I don't that means
that God didn't know it was there and that it
wasn't going to be there. And see, I don't agree
with the word found. I agree like a woman who
is found to be with child, she was with child,
but later they discovered it. Well, I believe that in

(02:52:23):
the same token, God knew what Lucifer was going to
do before Lucifer did it. He knew just like Jesus
knew what Jesus was going to do. Yeah, before he
did it, and he.

Speaker 9 (02:52:34):
Knew Eve was going to you know, yeah, and they
wrestle with all of that. Like I like that they'd
wrestle with all this idea of like did God create evil?
And like, you know, they talk about all of that,
and it really it actually helped me a lot because
it helped settle some things, you know that I was
kind of like, I didn't even realize that I was

(02:52:56):
truggling with him until I was like, oh, that's why
I've not done that thing, because it's like like you know,
but also I didn't expect I was expecting a historic,
historical lesson. I was not expecting to have to confront
my own chaos dragon, right, you know, like confront my
own dragons.

Speaker 8 (02:53:15):
And it's like so like now between that.

Speaker 9 (02:53:18):
And my my therapist, and because my therapist is also
a Christian, he was a he's a retired pastor, so
he's tired pastor and a psychologist, perfect mix of both
spiritual and psychological knowledge. And so now since I've been
to dragons, he's like, so this is what we're gonna do.

Speaker 8 (02:53:36):
I want to know.

Speaker 9 (02:53:37):
I want a full field report next next month about
all of the dragons that you've slayed. He's like, and
what I mean by that, I mean all of the tasks,
the hard tasks, and the stuff you put off and
the things that you're like not doing because you don't
want to. I want to know about all of those
things that you conquered that you did over the month,

(02:53:57):
like that you did them just because you know you're
supposed to do him and you did it.

Speaker 8 (02:54:02):
You slay the dragon, you know. So he's doing that.

Speaker 9 (02:54:06):
And then also he has banned me from listening to
that podcast unless i'm actively cleaning not He's like, now
you're an adult. You can do what you want to do.
But I would highly suggest that you couple a thing
that you don't like to do with something you love
and rewire your brain to start liking the thing that

(02:54:28):
you don't like to do. So, you know, it's like
that's really good, but I don't like it. But I've
been doing it reluctantly, which means I've listened to two
podcasts this week, you know, because I liked it twice
this week. But you know, like, but it's like it's

(02:54:50):
it's a good motivator, though that is I hate that
it works, but it does same thing. Like, I hate
how just walking outside for five minutes makes my brain
work better.

Speaker 8 (02:55:01):
I don't like.

Speaker 9 (02:55:02):
I don't like how just a little bit of exercise
actually makes my brain function on it.

Speaker 1 (02:55:10):
Why I think we scheduled the next appointment, next interview, Tim,
I think you just get once once we conclude this.
I think that we just so that we can promote
it as it's going to be happening about this time
in February or in January or something like that. That way,

(02:55:32):
we can give it lots of promotion between now and then,
because I think that the Lord's leading us that way.
And so yeah, and then so let me. Would you
like to close in prayer? Would you like me or
Tim close? Geremally? Father you evidently your hand is on

(02:55:56):
all things, and it's definitely in this. I can see
it clearly. Lord, thank you for this connection, and watch
overs and watch over her and empower her world and
her life and Tim's life, and and open Tim's schedule
and open her schedule as need be to to do
your will. And Lord, watch overs and guide us and

(02:56:19):
and and all things. Let us understand that that you
are in control, and that you are the provider, and
you are the protector and that that all of our
loved ones are better than your hands than in our
hands in Jesus name, Amen.

Speaker 3 (02:56:34):
Amen, thank you, and Teresa. Where could folks get a
hold of you there? If they want to get a
hold of you?

Speaker 8 (02:56:42):
So that's the challenge. I do have an email.

Speaker 9 (02:56:47):
That I can give out like that, the email that
you've been contacting through as far as if they wanted
to get a hold of me and for like loooking
or just questions about like spiritual stuff or anything.

Speaker 8 (02:57:02):
Because without social media makes.

Speaker 9 (02:57:05):
It like it's like I was, like you talked about
Facebook Messenger. It's like I have Facebook Messenger, but I
don't think I can add.

Speaker 8 (02:57:16):
New friends or not.

Speaker 9 (02:57:17):
Okay, I think I think I can on Messenger.

Speaker 3 (02:57:21):
We'll put the in the show notes. We'll put your
email if you don't mind, h So yeah, they could
do that.

Speaker 9 (02:57:26):
Yeah, And then if they want to hear my ramblings,
they can go to Danny Lion Rebel or Danny reelly
Lin rebellion dot blog to read my stuff. That also
on my website there, I also have like a link
to where they can support my ministry to cash app,
they can buy my books and I also have a

(02:57:47):
link to that Hi hello me that I sent you
that has like my podcast, my my podcasts and booking
information and stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:57:58):
Okay, great, And.

Speaker 9 (02:58:02):
I had to come up with I had to come
up with some kind of I was like, I have
to have a way for people to get hold of me.
That I was like, I can't, Like, I know, I
had to take social media off of there, but I
was like, I have to have some kind of form
of communication. But I'm also not giving my cell.

Speaker 3 (02:58:16):
Phone number out right.

Speaker 1 (02:58:21):
If you did, If you did, I have calls, I
get what people wanted to give you, loans.

Speaker 8 (02:58:31):
Or you know.

Speaker 9 (02:58:32):
My worst nightmar is calling me about something like some
person that clearly has like a mental health crisis going
on on a demonic crisis going.

Speaker 1 (02:58:41):
On, Melock in the morning.

Speaker 8 (02:58:45):
Because like I had to tell somebody.

Speaker 9 (02:58:48):
I love how the Lord works and tells me things
that I don't want to have to relay to somebody else,
you know, Like he told me like I was going
to the situation with somebody and I was like, this
is demonic, you know. He goes, no, it's a discipline problem.
And I'm like, oh, so I'm going to go here

(02:59:12):
and I'm going to have to tell him that he's
just needs more discipline in this area like that. It's
not like it's it's a flesh issue, not a demon issue.

Speaker 8 (02:59:27):
So I had to kind of approach that.

Speaker 9 (02:59:29):
And it's not a comfortable conversation. But you know, I
was like, that's not fun when I have to do
that part.

Speaker 1 (02:59:36):
But I was like, yeah, the the you know, I had,
I had to. I'm a salesperson. That's what I love doing.
That's I'm public speaking, That's what I love these things
that God has been doing. But I I have to
make myself exclusive, not exclusive, but I have to make

(02:59:58):
my exclude myself from the twenty four hour thing. You know,
when I was a roof for doing repair work, if
somebody had a leak repair at two in the morning,
they needed the roof fix they needed to fix, then
they couldn't wait till the next day, so I'd rush out,
you know, and fix the leak. And so I got

(03:00:18):
on this twenty four hour basis where I was accessible
twenty four hours a day, and it was and it
was chaos and so and I and I it was
really hard for me to say, Nope, between this hour
and this hour, I'm available.

Speaker 9 (03:00:32):
We definitely learned that like through ministry, like you know,
we want to be on call for people, you know,
when they need us and stuff. But like we had
to put boundaries in place pretty quickly, right like about
like you know, please do not knock on my door unannounced,
call first, like please, you know, like you know, because

(03:00:55):
I can't guarantee everybody's fully close, like please just call you.

Speaker 1 (03:00:59):
Know IM Well, not really that, not only that, but
you know, if you're in the pastor and and and
everybody in your church knows where you are, where you're
you're available, and anyone that goes in the hospital, which
happens in every church every week, you're going to be
at the hospital every night. It seems like or a
jail cell.

Speaker 9 (03:01:20):
Well, I think we thankfully we only had about fifteen
people in our church, so it was easy to like
didn't have to really spread ourselves too thin there.

Speaker 8 (03:01:29):
But I'm actually we're.

Speaker 9 (03:01:31):
Actually still living in their personage even though we're not
the pastors right now. Oh, it's just interesting dynamic. But they, uh,
they've been really supportive of us even we left after
even after we left the ministry for them, you know,
they we had a situation where like because my husband

(03:01:52):
wasn't working because he, you know, has disability and everything,
and we didn't have disability yet. So I was working,
but like my resume was like McDonald's, like I don't
have a lot, So I was working on I didn't
have a job. I was just doing door dash, which
was great during the pandemic made I made twenty thousand

(03:02:15):
dollars in twenty nine, like it was great. But like
then things opened back up and people start you know,
it just petered out, you know, and we were we
we got evicted from our apartment and they these people,
you know, didn't hesitate to let us move back into

(03:02:37):
the parsonage, you know, because the person that was pastoring
at the time didn't you know, need a parsonage.

Speaker 8 (03:02:43):
He already had across the river.

Speaker 9 (03:02:44):
And stuff, and so you know, the places kind of
run down and has a lot of work to be
done on it and stuff.

Speaker 8 (03:02:51):
But it's a home. It's rope over our heads.

Speaker 9 (03:02:54):
You know, and and not the best but it's it's
it's what we have.

Speaker 8 (03:03:01):
And so but he did that, and then.

Speaker 9 (03:03:06):
Like they just have always been pretty supportive of us,
Like you know, there's a couple of them that I've
adopted is my adoptive parents grandparents, you know, like it's
like your mind now, because their kids kind of treat
them poorly. And I'm just like, well, they might treat
you poorly, but I'm not gonna And one of them,

(03:03:28):
I've promised that I won't start a fight with her
daughter until after she's gone.

Speaker 1 (03:03:36):
Let me, let me, let me share something with you.
The when my wife and I were young married, there
was a this elderly couple. They came from overseas there
they've been missionaries their whole life. And and I don't
remember what country was, an Asian country, like Vietnam or something,
and uh and uh a Korea. And they had brought

(03:03:59):
their son with him and he was like eighteen years
old and uh and I was roofing a airport and
so I told him, and there my next door neighbors
in an apartment complex, and I said, well, hey, you know,
if you want a job, you can come to work
with me. And and so he did. And he's one
of the hardest workers I ever met. I mean I

(03:04:21):
never had the guy was busy all the time, never
did look at him, and I knew he and if
he didn't know what to do. He'd come asked what
can I do now? What can I do now? And
he just outworked everyone and they became they became pretty
good friends. Well, one day I got invited into their
apartment and when I walked in, there was a table
half table up against the wall in the dining area

(03:04:44):
with three chairs, and in the living room there was
one chair and a few pillows on the floor, and
in the bedroom there was basically sleeping bags on the floor,
and there was nothing on the walls, and there was
no clocks, there was nothing. And I and me, being
a worldly human being at the time, this really was

(03:05:05):
an eye opener from God and I and so I
sat down, I had tea with him, and I said,
you know, I go to a relatively large church and
I'm the men's ministry director. And I said, I'm sure
in a day or so I could probably come up
with a whole bunch of furniture fill your apartment. And
they said, oh, no, no, no, please don't do that.

(03:05:27):
Don't curse us with that. And I said, and I
said what And they said, yeah. See, we live our
life is dependent on God, and we live with what
God provides and if God doesn't provide. I said, well, God,
we bring it to you. God has provided, you know,
I'm kind of stubborn that way. And she says, no, no, no, no.

(03:05:48):
Then attachment grows, and I go, what do you mean?
She said, attachment grows, and then you don't. Then you
have pain of separation when you when God calls you
to leave and go somewhere, then you have painting separation.
He left all this stuff behind, she says. But when
you relinquish all your worldly goods and you have nothing

(03:06:13):
to hold you back except for what you carry on
your back, then you are a free will to go
anywhere anytime, on any moment that God sends you. And
I go wow. And you guys have been in the
ministry for fifty years they said, yes, almost sixty years
as a married couple. And I go, I go wow.

(03:06:34):
And they said yeah. We get woke up the nine
at three am and they say, and God tells us
to go to this village. We may walk two days
to that village to minister where God wants us to
and we can't. And if we had anything left behind
the criminals would steal it all. I mean, there's no
protection of it. So we'd be worried about it. So

(03:06:54):
it adds another layer of problems, and that worrying about
this stuff that we feel that we our possessions, but
without any possessions, we're free of all this anguish and
so there's quite a ministry there.

Speaker 9 (03:07:08):
Well, sir, I think you've been talking to the Holy
Spirit too much because it's so needed, because me and
my husband have been dealing with that, like getting like
trying to downsize our stuff just to make ourselves more available,
more like free, not just not that I mean with

(03:07:30):
his physical health and stuff. It would be very difficult
for us to like just up and leave somewhere and
go somewhere, you know. But the idea is that we
just want to be unhindered by our crap, like we
need to simplify things.

Speaker 1 (03:07:45):
Yeah, so you're my wife watches this lady she's a
minimalist on YouTube, and our entire home has been minimalized.

Speaker 9 (03:07:56):
I would love to do that, but my brain is
a score all with Raby's.

Speaker 8 (03:08:05):
My house reflects that. So and it's just like I can't.
I'm just very honest.

Speaker 9 (03:08:13):
It's just it's just it's a that's why, like I said,
I prayed that prayer or get in my mind before
I do, because once I do, look out.

Speaker 8 (03:08:21):
Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (03:08:23):
So and he's been faithful to like keep you know,
like because that's the thing is like he he reminded
me of a of a prophecy that my pastor who
growing up, who passed away recently.

Speaker 8 (03:08:40):
I think it's gosh, man.

Speaker 1 (03:08:43):
I say this. I hate to say this. I have
to go. My phone is dead, but I got you guys,
can are welcome to continue. It's wonderful with you. Yes,
and maybe.

Speaker 9 (03:08:59):
In the future we can talk about my next book
that I'm working on. It might not be my next book,
but it's gonna be a book eventually about how we
serve a fire God.

Speaker 1 (03:09:08):
But definitely very good. You know.

Speaker 3 (03:09:11):
Once again, your book right now is called The War
of My Name. So yeah, yeah, War my Name. Check
it out on Amazon.

Speaker 6 (03:09:20):
Guys, please, yes, well, thank you, thank you, God bless you.

Speaker 10 (03:10:03):
You'll just say, h.

Speaker 15 (03:10:33):
Sid know we has about side is so slightly where
to go.

Speaker 10 (03:10:43):
I wouldn't want to be.

Speaker 17 (03:10:48):
For years just shot down.

Speaker 18 (03:10:54):
I think it's times I don't know sus sign using.

Speaker 10 (03:11:42):
Us, using.

Speaker 17 (03:12:19):
Us usssbut.

Speaker 19 (03:12:55):
Someone thank you for listening. As always, tonight's intro music

(03:13:16):
is by Tim's Christian band called Eternal Element. The song
is called Can I Be Myself and you can find
it at reverb nation dot com and on SoundCloud. Tonight's
outro music is titled Jackhammer by Well Done You. You
can find that song on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music,
and many more platforms. Remember to tune into our other
show called Jacked Up Daily. It airs Monday through Friday

(03:13:38):
mornings on Fringe radionetwork dot.

Speaker 2 (03:13:40):
Com, christians dot net.

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