Karla Callan - The Ex-Witch-LET'S GET JACKED UP!

October 31, 2025 Halloween Special 2
Karla Callan the Ex-Witch-LET'S GET JACKED UP!

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Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, Hey, everybody, this is Tim of Let's get
jacked up and jacked up daily. I am so excited
for you guys to hear this interview that I got
to do with an x wig and her name is Carla,
and you're gonna love her. She was awesome. But I
w I wanna say is during this interview we had

(01:08):
some connection issues and one time the phone call dropped
out completely, and a couple other times there were some
white noise that just would you'll hear it? What I
did was I wanted to leave it in there, just
so you guys could hear that we were being interrupted
throughout this interview. I think we both think that Satan

(01:32):
did not want this to go out, but here it is.
It's going out, praise God. But during this interview we
had some white noise, and so what I did was
I diminished the volume of it a tad because I
don't want your ears to get blown out like mine
almost did during that time. So I don't usually have

(01:53):
this problem, but with this interview, we certainly had our issues.
And then I even had an issue the actual interview
at the very end, you know, where I record it,
and then I save it on our computer software and
it had trouble saving, but praise God, it did save.

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And here is the interview coming to you live from

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a pre recorded studio somewhere deep in Fresno, California.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's Let's Get Jacked Up, Sinners saved by Grace. Now
Here are the hosts of this episode, Tim, maybe Jack,
Bobby and Karen. We just never know anymore, all right.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
And welcome to Let's Get Jacked Up. Hello, everybody, my
name is Tim Parrish and I'm with my guest today
is Carla Colin and she's an author, a speaker, a
faith builder, and she is now an ordained minister, a
life coach through Christian Leaders Alliance, author and host of
two faith based podcasts, which are the names of us

(03:23):
Speak Life with Carla and the other one is Deliverance
Diaries from Casting Spells to Casting out Demons on That
sounds very interesting. She was an ex witch. She was
a witch, an ex witch, and so I'm very excited
to hear her story today and she now is walking

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in truth and help others to do the same. As
the founder of Rooted in Christ's Kingdom Coaching, she offers
one on one discipleship and life coaching to help women
break free from bondage, heal from the past, and walk
boldly and there God given purpose. So it's my honor
and excitement here to say hello to Carla and welcome

(04:07):
to the show. How are you.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Thank you so much. I am doing amazingly well and
thank you for even having me on the show.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Great. Great, And by the way, all the information for
Carla will be in the show notes, so please check
that out. She also has a website we'll be talking
about later and some good stuff going on in her
life and all projected to your life. So I'm excited
for that, Carla. Now you have quite a story. I
heard some of it, but I haven't heard all of it.

(04:37):
But I do know that you used to be a witch,
and how does one First of all, how does one
get to be a witch and then come through that?
And we're going to go and talk about that today.
So first of all, where did you start out? You know, like,

(04:59):
how did you become a which I guess, Oh, hello,
let me call you back. Maybe you need to reconnect.
That's weird.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
And I hear you.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Okay, So I should have warned you that this happens
a lot. Yeah, I'm like the one every time I
go to talk. It happens every time, like I have. Yeah,
it's a thing. It's definitely a thing.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well you know, the nnb W has nothing to do
with this, so yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, he every time I get ready to do something,
he gets super like hyperviculist like. And it happens with
my podcast when i'm when it's like certain people that
I interview, like it'll just go crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So that was so weird. Though you were connected and
then all of a sudden you dropped out, but the
car was still going, so right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I just put you on speakerphone, so hopefully that'll stop it.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Okay, that sounds good whatever you're doing, so okay, we'll
try again. Okay, Carla, how did you become a witch?

Speaker 5 (06:24):
All right? So I usually start off with there was
kind of my like I literally I believe that like
I already had a calling from God. And one of
the things that I have found on my faith journey
and speaking with other people who have kind of had

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calling over your life, Satan tries to to get rid
of you as quick as possible, and it starts for
when you're a child. Yes, And so I was literally
born into an organized religious cult. So like half of
my well more than half, like on both sides of

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my family were like part of this organization. And I'm
like third generation. I was born into it, but I
left when I was a teenager. My mom and my
sister are still in it. My sister's daughter is in it,
so that's fourth generation. My children are not. And I
will tell the organization because I've already came against it

(07:34):
and got enough back at from them that I don't care.
But I was born into the Jehovah Witnesses, okay, And
I didn't know growing up it was a cult or
anything like that. It wasn't until God was pulling me
out of the New Age that he presented this YouTube
docuseries by this doctor who studied cults, and she broke

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down like the Mormons, the UH Scientology, Seventh day Adventist
Jehovah witness jonestown. And that's when I realized, like, oh no,
so I was growing up born into it. And then
on top of that, on my mother's side, my grandfather's

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mother was.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
A voodoo witch, oh boy.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
And so that was like part of our family in
my family growing up, like we all knew and it
was joked upon, nobody took takes it serious. So she
was like in her nineties when I was a little girl,
and I would go see her all the time. I
think about it now and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Like I would have never let my kids around somebody
like that. But like here i am, you know, like
seven eight years old, and I'm like every time i'd
see her, you know, I'm hugging this lady. And I
remember one time when I was about a my mom
got this very crazy call and from my my my
great aunt, which was my mom's aunt, i'd had's sister

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because that's where my great grandmother lived. And so my
mom tells me like, come on, we have to go
to my aunt's house. And she we get in the
car and rush over and my mom when we get
in the house, my mom tells me you need to
sit at the kitchen table and don't move. And so,

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you know, me being a kid, of course I'm not
gonna not sit. I go mad through her house because
my aunt was like, uh, my great aunt had this
really nice house and she had like really nice furniture
and like crystal chandelier, like lamps and stuff. So of
course I'm touching everything. And I don't remember, like as
a child, you know, like I didn't really have the
concept of time to know like if they were gone,

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you know, an hour, two hours, it was just a
very long time that they had vanished into the back
one of the back rooms. And so I heard the
door opening and them talking quietly, and I I ran
back and sat back down, and then I just remember
my mom coming back in the kitchen and then saying like,
come on, we're leaving. And we left and it wasn't

(10:08):
until I got older that my mom explained to me
why we were there that day. And basically, my great
aunt had went in to check on her mom and
my great grandmother was levitating off the bed.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Whoa okay somewhere.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, and they literally like she couldn't get her down,
and she wasn't awake either, like she couldn't wake her.
So she called my mom freaked out. They go back
and they're with their Now these are Jehovah witnesses, but
it did work because they started praying and reading the
Bible and that brought her back down. Well, when she

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got back to the bed is when she woke up
and she had no idea that she had been levitating.
She was like, oh, what are you guys doing in
here type thing? And they're like okay, And so that
was what she explained. Explained. When my sister, my older
sister is like six years older than me, when my
great grandmother lived in Texas, my mom had an experience

(11:08):
at her house where they were. My mom was staying
at her house in her guest bedroom with my sister,
who was only like five months old at the time,
said in the middle of the night, the ceiling opened
up and this light came down over my sister, whoa
My mom jumped on top of her and started praying,

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and the ceiling shut, she said, and she took like
grabbed my sister and ran out of the house. And
she never would stay at my great grandmother's house ever again.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
So yeah, right, so there's there's just crazy little stories
like that. My great grandmother like she wasn't you know
when you're practicing voodoo. She was into the dark stuff,
and she was into very like self preservation. So whatever
she wanted she got. She had a lot of kids.
I don't like, I don't remember if any of them

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had the same father, but she had like seven or
eight kids. And she kind of like she would put
hexes on people if she didn't like you, if she
saw like a man that she wanted, whether the man
was married or not, she didn't care. She would end
up with them. And the thing about like when you're

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doing stuff like that is it doesn't last, right, and
so and also I think that she also wasn't like
my mom used to say, like, oh, great grandmother was
a rolling stone, like she just slept around, okay, And
so all this time, like from this the age of
like I can remember like six seven eight that she's alive.

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I would like we would go over there so often
that like every time I would go in there, she
A lot of times we'd go in the mornings when
she would be like eating breakfast and she would just
be sitting at the table and I'd be hanging out
with her. Because mind you, it was like she was
a mean lady. This lady was amazingly nice and loving,
so like if you didn't know, you would have never

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had a clue that she This is what she did
her whole life. And so what I do believe she
was doing is that she would I would be sitting
there and she would start doing these really I don't
know how to I still can't do them. It was
some type of weird clicking sounds and what I try

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to even like equate them to, it's like, you know,
like how dolphins like have a language, and it's like
a lot of weird clickings like it was. It's not
like that. I mean, she didn't sound like a dolphin,
but it was like that. It was like some type
of strange clicking. I found out later that this is
the thing like in African tribes that practice shamanism and

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witchcraft and stuff, it's a way to impart the spirits
and things.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Into people, Oh okay, And.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
So I believe that that's what she was doing because
she was eventually. You know, one thing that when you
practice and you're heavily into witchcraft and when you're getting
into being able to like you know, astro project and
things like this, this means you're far into it because
these are powers that aren't given, you know, just by

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like a little here and there. These are things that
like you have to fully submit. And you know, levitation
is another one that's not Most people don't levitate unless
you have literally gotten far into the dark arts. And
so I believe that, like one of the things that
I actually looked into too is when you are in this,

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like any type of voodoo doctor, you're into shamanism, any
type of witchcraft, Stayton wants you to pass it down
before you leave into someone else to carry it on.
I see, Yeah, So I'm pretty sure I believe that
it hit me. And then she had a my uh,

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her daughter had a granddaughter, and I believe that it
hit her too, so because later in life, I you know,
like watched her start getting into the same type of
stuff that I had started into, and so and nobody
else really in my family that I know of, is
really into it. And so basically, like as soon as

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she died, when I was probably like it's either with
around eight and a half or nine when she passed away.
When she died is when I started to have abilities.
And so that's when that kicked in. Like I would
have lots of weird like dreams that would come true.

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I would have like visions, then I would have I
started to be able to go into people's minds and
speak to them.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Really.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes, the first time it ever happened was I have
a cousin that's on my dad's side, and I don't
really know if there's witchcraft on my dad's side, but
I remember my dad one day, uh coming and telling
us that, oh, we're gonna get ready to go to Salem.
I lived in Oregon at the time. I was born

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and raised in Oregon, and so I was like all
excited because this cousin we are best friends, we still are,
and so I I literally remember like somehow I went
into her mind and I asked her, like, hey, I'm
coming to see you today, what are you wearing? And
I remember getting the answer, and then I dressed accordingly.

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And when we got there, like we were literally dressed alike,
and I was in like awe, like, oh my goodness,
like this is crazy. But I also, because I was
part of the Jehovah Witness, hid it from everyone because
you know, I'm supposed to be in this religion.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Just to back up a little bit, now, you when
your when your grandmother passed, you said you started getting abilities.
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So I'm wondering then if that clicking noise that she
was doing around you, perhaps you know, put whoever spirit
within you so you could carry it on. Yes, Okay,
now we're getting somewhere.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, she put a lot of different spirits into me.
One of the spirits she had was the spirit of
seduction and manipulation and that was passed on to me.
Wow and so uh so. Yeah, So when I became

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into my early teens, like I I would warn my
friends like don't go here, this and this and this
is gonna happen, and they would listen and then it
would actually come to pass and they would be like,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
You know, how did you know that? You know?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, And I'm like, oh, I don't know, And I
really didn't know. I just knew that I had these abilities,
but I didn't know, like and I I was very naive.
So you know, I'm not putting two and two together
that you know, my this is from my grandmother or
anything like this. I'm just like, this is really crazy,
Like I can do these weird things. And I just

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I had them my whole life, like even as you know,
as I got older, still had them.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
No, and it's still a thing that I have never
heard of before. Is when you were saying that you
were you could go into people's minds in tone.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Oh yeah, it's a definite thing.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah yeah, so that I actually got it, actually got
stronger later on when I got into the New Age.
And I will tell that.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, ah, yeah, I'm sorry that's fascinated by that. Uh yeah,
it's a thing.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
It's a whole thing. And but I didn't at this
time when I was young, I didn't have like names
for these different skills, these are stolen skills that Satan counterfeits.
I did not have names for them though. Yeah, so
I just had ability things that I really didn't tell people.
People around me can vow like vouch. There's when I

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was pregnant with my first child, my son, his dad. Uh,
I remember having a dream. I had a dream a
year and a half before I was even pregnant, exactly
when I would be pregnant, where I would be pregnant,
and then I had a dream after that exactly what
he would be.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And so.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
I told him like, I'm going to get pregnant at
this time, at this place, and literally it came to pass.
And then right like, I remember going to my ultrasound
to find out the sex and I told my mom
and him, I said, I already, I've been telling you
he's a boy. I already know, and sure enough, like
the lady is like, oh do you want to know?

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And I'm like sure, and I just wanted them to
see I was right, and sure enough she's like, oh
my goodness, it's a boy. The same thing happened with
my daughter as well, like and but these those were
uh at that like all my life, I wasn't really like,
I wasn't into witchcraft. So these were abilities that just
were happening. But I was not like phoning it them.

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I wasn't trying to exercise them. They would they were
just there.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Okay wow.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
So like really, I think what completely opened the door for.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Me was.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
When I was like, as I got into a teenager,
I refused to go to the church anymore and I
was like, I'm out. I don't want nothing to do
with it. And luckily, because I had never been baptized
into that church, like there was there's nothing that they
could do. They can't like they could never disfellowshit me
or anything like that and shun me because I never

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like was brought into the organization. Like I just was
like I don't want I'm not doing none of this.
And there was I knew something was off. Yeah, Like
I knew something was off from as a kid. I
was just like this something I didn't write about this.
And so when I was like fourteen, I was assaulted

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like by a kid from my school. And so that
sexual assault is what opened up the doorway. And that
is literally when Satan like came in full force. And
so one of the things that the Holy Spirit has

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been able to show me when I got saved was
that the numb number one gateway that allows all of
the different strongholds into your life that Satan loves to
use is trauma. And it doesn't necessarily need to be
like a sexual assault. It can be, you know, some
type of verbal abuse, physical abuse. It can be neglect

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from your parents, your parents telling you I never wanted you,
I should have afforded you. There's so many ways that
you can be traumatized. It can be an accident, like
a really bad car accident. Somebody you loved so much
instantly died and it traumatized you. It's any type of trauma.
But with this door, when it opens, it allows depending

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on what you know, type of trauma it is, it'll
allow unforgiveness, resentment, fear, promiscuity, perversion, if it's you know,
down the sexual road. There's so many different things that
are strongholds that enter in and it's the number one
demon that comes with this with trauma is addiction. That's

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how it attaches because what happens is and it doesn't
have to manifest right then and there because for me,
that didn't manifest until way later on in life. And
so but it opened that door and that that was
going to come later. And so when this happened to me.
I did not tell anyone. I did not I like

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almost detached from it and like like almost got like
suppressed it to where it like it never happened. But
I will say this, immediately after that assault, promiscuity entered
into my life, okay, because that's person when they assaulted me,

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took my virginity at that So so basically once that happened,
like I had this very so I And also what
happened with that incident was the spirit of control. So
I wanted to control everything and anything around me. And
so this was a very easy way for Satan to

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introduce witchcraft because witchcraft is manipulation. It is manipulating everything
around you. It is manipulating people in your life or
people around you. And so that's really how he got
me was because I wanted to control the outcomes of everything.
It also gave me this really weird kind of deep

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like feeling towards the opposite sex, Like you know what,
you're going to use and abuse people anyways, So I'm
gonna do it to you first.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yes, I could see that. Yeah, because it does happen,
and you know, you get hurt too many times You're like, okay, well,
that's it. Now I'm going to do it, you know,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Right, It's like I'm gonna it's kind of like I'm
gonna get back at you, or it's like but it's
also like it's a way of controlling, like I'm gonna
hurt you before you hurt me. Therefore it's gonna protect me.
And it's it's a it's a very twisted way of thinking,
but that's what Satan it allows to you know, this
is what you're being, this is how you're feeling, and

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these are the thoughts that are being projected.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
To you, right, And maybe sometimes you don't even want
it to be like it's not a mean thing that
you see it as not a mean thing necessarily, but
you're protecting yourself.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. And so then like uh so fast forward,
like I was pretty promiscuous, I end up going to Seattle.
I end up meeting my uh kid's father, who was
my husband becomes my husband. I start going to school

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and this is the first time that I believe uh
Satan used a wit to introduce me to the witchcraft.
So I was sitting one day at the mall and
I'm waiting for one of my classes starts, so I thought,
I'm gonna go get lunch, and I'm sitting there eating

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and doing working in my plan er, like for scheduling
out my homework classes, and I also worked, so I
was trying to make sure that I could get everything done.
And this woman walks past me and she's kind of
like it was weird to me because it was summertime,
and she had like wrapped her head in like stuff,
and she had like long sleeves on in this long

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skirt all the way to the floor. And I remember
kind of glancing over, like why is this lady wearing
all this?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
It's like hot, right, But she.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Like brushes past me really fast and sets this card
on the table. And by the time I kind of acknowledge, like,
you know, seeing the card and look up, I can't
she's not there. So I turned behind me, She's gone,
and I'm like, that was weird. But then I remember
staring at the card. I put the card in my planner,
and this even doing that, picking up the card, putting

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it in my planner, I came into agreement in the
spirit with whatever this late was attached to this lady.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well, but you didn't know that it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh that's not how sane are.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Oh okay, but Satan I didn't make it back anything yet.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Right, but that doesn't matter. You See, this is the
problem with like how we think about it as like, well,
I didn't know that, it doesn't matter. That's Satan doesn't care.
This is how he gets people. It is because we're
we don't understand it. We don't understand the laws of
how this works. As soon as you touch something of
his in his realm that gives him legal right wow, right, yeah,

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So like soon as you turn on like for instance,
I'll give you an example. Let's say you're scrolling on
TikTok and you see a tarot card reader. The moment
that you decide to even acknowledge it and sit there
and listen for even two seconds, you've came into agreement
with it.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
So it's the same thing like with anything, like you
decide you you know, you watch a bad movie. Let's
say it's you know, The Exorcist or something. It doesn't matter.
As soon as you have like opened your mind to
it and said I'm gonna click on this, and you
start watching it even though you might say, oh, I
don't want to watch this and turn it off. You

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if you don't rebuke that and shut that door, that's
still an agreement.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
See, that's good to know because the Church does not know.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
That Cyton is a legalist. So like you have to
look at it like this, like if you look at
the way that the system is set up, like the
judicial system in heaven is the same way that it's
set up here in the in in our realm, in
our world. So you have to look at the judge

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as God, the father. Satan is the prosecutor. He's trying
to get you in his jail for instance, system with
any little thing. And then Jesus, only when you accept
Jesus as your lord and savior does he have the
ability to now become your defender. And so when you're

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out reading without Jesus, you have no you have no lawyer,
no defender, nobody can do anything. That's why Satan keeps
going to God and saying, well, I can bring a addiction,
I can do this, I can do that, because there's
no there's nobody to defend you. So it's only when
you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and slavery that
you now have a defender. But yet, because God is

(29:38):
sovereign and he obeys all of his own laws that
he sets into place, if you mess with stuff that
is Satan's, he still gets to go back. He still
gets to go before God the Father and say they're
messing with my stuff, and Jesus, it's like, yep, they are.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Wow. Have you seen that? Have you seen that Denzel
Washington movie called Fallen?

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Now I'm thinking this must be the way it is
in life, real life where yeah, you know, because you
were saying that your grandma was you know, could uh,
I guess put spirits into you because you were not
born again then, And so in that movie, it's like
one touch puts a spirit into the next man and

(30:28):
the next person. Right, yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah, it is. It's absolutely, it's it's very it's very spiritual.
And that's the problem is that people think that like
this realm is first, so the natural realm, oh, and
then it's the spiritual realm that is wrong. It is
the spirit realm is way more real than this one.
This realm that we live in is the byproduct of

(30:56):
the spirit realm. And if you think about it. It even
tells you in the Bible like God spoke this realm
into it into existence. It's this is why it is
so important important that we watch what comes out of
our mouths, because you're either speaking blessings in life where
you were speaking curses and.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Death yes, wow wow.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
And the other thing that people need to realize is
it goes the same way with writing. A lot of
people think like only about like, oh, the words that
come out of your mouth, it's the words you write
as well. Because when I was practicing as a witch,
I never spoke words. I wrote them.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Now would you do so? Would you do that yourself?
Was that some kind of automatic writing that you were doing.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I didn't start automatic writing until I was in the
New Age, so I would come up with my own
spec So what would happen? So when I opened this door,
So let me go back and tell you what happened
with the lady. Basically, I went to her house. She
told me that I was hext that my family bloodline

(32:09):
had a hex over it. I automatically bought it hook
line and thinker because of my great grandmother hexting people.
She said that all my life, like bad things were
going to happen and that I needed to break the hex.
I was like, okay, So she gave me like this,
I think it was Himalayan like sea salt, and she

(32:32):
gave me like an incantation I had to do. It
had to be at a specific specific hour, it had
to be on a particular time of the month, so
I believe it had to be on a full moon,
and I had to take a bath. So it was
a cleansing what they call a cleansing ritual. So I
did this whole thing and then, of course, you know

(32:55):
this is how Satan operates. It's like, oh, nope, now
you need to do this and oh it only did
you know so much? Now we have to do another
one or this ritual. And I was like, forget this.
I'm not going to keep paying you ladies. So I
just was like, I'm out.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'm out.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
I'm like, I'll just take the hexts whatever, I'll take
half the hext I don't know, ye right, So I
just I just was like, this is stupid, and that
stopped me from continuing. But what was crazy is I
went back to I went to call her to ask
her something or to do something, and her number was
disconnected and so I had been to her house. So

(33:30):
I went to her house. She was it was completely
empty and like there were maintenance people in there, like
getting it ready for the next tenants. She had just disappeared.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
And I was like, that sounds like a scammer, yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Something, and so I was like that was weird. And
so fast forward, like I'm about twenty two and I
ended up moving back from Portland. I separate from my
husband at the time. We ended up getting we're gonna
we're getting a divorce, and I moved back to Portland

(34:05):
and I was like a really big avid reader. And
so I walked into a Barnes and Nobles at the
mall and was like, oh, I'm gonna get some more books.
And I just remember I was like walking up and
down the aisles like looking at books, and I came
across they had a witchcraft section. And this was all
the way back in like two thousand and one that

(34:26):
they were already having books in Barnes and Nobles. So
I was like, oh, I like started picking up the books. Now,
this is what I mean by agreement, the fact that
I stopped and picked up the book and started looking
at it.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
And so I'm scrolling through there and next thing, you know,
I'm like, oh, I'm going to take some of these,
so I take them home. One of the books was
really crazy. It had like potions and concoctions and it
was calling for all these very weird ingredients that I

(35:03):
was like, I have no idea where you'd find this stuff.
And I was like, this just seems fake. So I
kind of shoved that book to the side, and then
I picked up this one and it was very simple spells.
And the first thing I saw was this really simple
love spell and I was like, and you all you
needed was like thread and needles, and I was like, oh,

(35:26):
I have that, and so I did it. Hmm, and
I thought, you know, and really it was the curiosity
killed the cat type thing. Out of curiosity, I was like,
I wonder if this really works. So I did it
and it did work really And after that I became
hooked on the witchcraft because I was like, whoa, I

(35:46):
can manipulate things. Now here's the problem. One thing that
happens when you do love spells is you bind the
person to you, but also you're bound to that person
in the spirit, so so The other problem is is
like normally, if you're doing this, you're also having sex
outside of marriage, which is like you know, outside of

(36:09):
God's order for for sex. So you're already soul tied
to the person, but now you've bound them through witchcraft
as well. And it's manipulation. And so when even if
you decide that you're over them, it's not easy to
get rid of them. And a lot of times they
will turn psycho if you try to leave, they'll become

(36:31):
very angry, they will stalk you.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yes, yes, And I have helped people especially, I've helped
people that they're like a husband or someone has been
under that type of stuff and uh, and what has

(36:56):
happened is like when they're talking, I have to explain
to them, like how to break it off of them,
because yeah, it's like a control thing. It's it's very
It manipulates their free will and that's what you're That's
what it does is it stops them from having the
ability to leave. And even if they do walk away,
they keep coming back and they can't figure it out.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
So you think that they want to leave, but they
just can't get.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah, I've watched it happen in my own life, like
I've found people and then they're like, I'm breaking up
with you, and then like I'm like, oh, it's not
gonna last, and sure enough, like it'll take years sometimes
for it to finally be over. Yeah, it's very manipulative
and so.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I literally you can't break it. If you're into that
kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
You eventually, yeah, you can break it, but usually it'll
take the it takes the person who put the spell
on you to all like to be done with you. Otherwise,
if you're trying to break it and it's done to you, like,
it's gonna be really hard to break it unless you
have Jesus and you and you have people coming against
it and praying and you're renouncing and all of that. Otherwise, No,

(38:09):
if you're in the world and somebody does this to you,
if they still want you, you're going to keep having
You're gonna not understand like why do I keep migrating
to this person like over and over and over and
it's always gonna be chaos. Like that's the one thing
when you're messing with witchcraft, like it creates chaos. It's

(38:30):
witchcraft is not peaceful.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
No, And I would imagine even if you go and
marry somebody else, there's always this thing that would if
you ever see that person again on the street or something,
it would pull you know that, it would pull together, right,
I mean back together type of thing.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Yes, yeah, because you're you're you're you're bound. It's it's
a spiritual binding. It's not physical. You know, it's not
in the physical Lord, it's not a physical liking like
oh I'm attracted to their looks. This is a spiritual binding.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
So I started with that. And this is where I
will get into what I always say, because people will
come out and say like, oh, I only practice paganism
or wiccan you know which I got into like different
types of woodchcraft. But my main practice was with through
candle magic, what they call candle magic. I was really
big into that. But I had went down the Wiccan

(39:25):
rabbit hole. But I really was a big on candle
magic and and and what what's happening when I started
getting into this is that Satan would download information. So
I never joined a coven or anything like that. Like
if I wanted to know something, he would just tell

(39:45):
me and I didn't know it was him. It was
just like implanted into my mind. And so that's when
I discovered like what's called sex magic. And yeah, and
so I was really big into practicing the candle magic
and the and sex magic. And then as I got
farther and farther into it, that's when Satan started teaching

(40:08):
me like how to increase the power. So I would
get things from people clothes, pictures, nail clippings, hair and
bind them to this stuff I used. I did not
take anyone's blood or anything like that, but I would
use like my own blood, so I would like prick
my finger and drop the blood like into so I do.

(40:28):
I don't want anybody to try this, because you will
go through a life of hell if you do. But yes,
I literally would write out like whatever spell I was
putting against someone or whatever I was wanting to happen,
on this piece of paper. I would add in like hair,
nail clippings, and then I would use my own blood
and drop it into the whatever. I would like fold

(40:50):
it up and burn it into the candle. And because
of like and this is all being instructed to me,
like blood blood, and this is why I like, if
you go down rabbit holes of studying, like you know,
Satanism and stuff like that, and vamporism people that are vampires.
It's blood, the blood. You know, in the scriptures it

(41:11):
talks about you know, the life is in the blood,
and demons are attracted to blood. So when you are
using any type of blood, this is attracting the demon.
Demons are also attracted to smoke and alcohol. So when
you are saging yourself, you're not getting rid of demons.

(41:33):
You are calling them into your space. If you're saging
your body, you are calling them to your body. If
you're saging your house, your car, you're calling the demons
to your car, your house. If you're burning incense, same thing.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Yes, So I basically I just started moving in this
realm I would do. I wasn't really like I wasn't
mean to the point like I'd never on things to
Christians or anything like that. Like I wasn't that type
of witch. I didn't go into churches. I had nothing
to do with religion. I wasn't an atheist. I believed
in God, but I didn't have anything to do with
him because I didn't want to go back to the

(42:11):
Jehovah witnesses and I had never known any other religion.
And also the thing about Jehovah Witnesses is that you're
not allowed to like listen to gospel music. You're not
allowed to listen to sermons or go to other churches,
right right, So I didn't know anything about that, and
you know, they proclaimed that they're the one true religion,

(42:31):
you know, like anything else, and so I didn't know
anything else, and so I was just like, you know,
I don't want to go there. So I just got
rid of all religion. I will say that like once.
This is before I got into the New Age. So
I think I was like in my thirties. I started

(42:51):
hanging out with this girl. We would go drinking on
the weekends, clubbing, all of that, and then we would
turn around and I'm like I went to a Bible
studied one time with her at a church and this
church she was going to, and then one time we
went to Sunday service. I show this is how good
God is. I literally we had the night before, we

(43:12):
had went to this club, we were drinking and everything.
That Sunday morning she wakes me up and she's like, hey,
do you want to come to church with us? I
don't know why I said yes because I didn't have
to go. But I was like, all right. I end
up like getting dressed and I kind of had a hangover,
so I was like, I'm gonna just take like a
couple of shops before we leave.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
We right.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
I go and sit in church, right, and they're playing
music and everything, and the preacher doesn't alter call. Apparently
I got saved while I was drunk as a skuf. Really, yeah,
I did. I went to the altar and everything, and
I guess I gave my life to Jesus. Now.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
It took another seven years after for it for everything
to come into place, but apparently I did. She told
me she because I couldn't remember. And then later, once
I got saved and stuff, the Holy Spirit allowed me
to have the memory back.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
And I was like, oh, But what it did, though,
was that it right then and there, I had came
into agreement with God and I had gave up like
that was my free will and I was willing to
if I was willing to get saved.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
I don't care if you're drunk, high or whatever. If
you say it, like, God's gonna hold you to it.
And so he did, and he it wasn't on my time.
It was on his time, and he knew like exactly
how to operate this, Like I'm gonna take let her
go down all these roads because when I pull her out,
she's gonna have all of this experience enough to know

(44:50):
that when I say you're done, she's gonna be like,
you know what, you dang skippy, I'm out. So he did,
and I just, you know, I don't. I didn't remember it,
but it didn't matter. He did. And so I just
after that, me and her kind of have like a
falling out, and so I just didn't go back to church.
And I remember one thing that scared me was because

(45:14):
I went to a baby shower at the church with her,
and the pastor's wife was like, oh, you know you,
I saw you do the altar calling. This is the
time I'm sober. So I'm like looking at her and
I'm like okay, and she's like, now we have to
do a Bible study. And as soon as she said that,
I was like op. And it was because of what

(45:35):
I what I it triggered the memory from being in
the Jehovah witnesses, because that's what they do. They knock
on your door. They love bomb you. They feed you
all this information and then they're like, you start a
Bible study with you with them, and it's indoctrination. It
is indoctrinating you into that religion. They're teaching you what

(45:56):
their beliefs are, not what you know, God believes and
what you should believe out of the you know, it's
their belief system. And immediately that I shut that down.
I was like, and that's a no, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I just didn't. I was like, I'm good, and
so I just didn't go back to the church with
her or anything like that. And then I just continued

(46:19):
on this path and then and the path of witchcraft.
Practicing witchcraft, I did it in secret. But and that
was the other thing. I was like very secretive about it,
so nobody really knew except for people who are close
to me, because sometimes they would see the altars that
were still like in action. So like when I would practice,

(46:40):
and let's say I did a spell, like the candles
had to burn all the way down and out, so
I would leave them burning, even if it was nighttime, daytime,
they would have to I would have to complete it
that way so people would see them. But I never
kept altars up. I would get rid of them, and
so people didn't know.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I see out does when you do the candle thing,
did it matter what smell it was or doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
It's not those type of cans. Oh okay, it's not
like the smelly ones, the great rooms ones from like
Fred Myers. These were not They don't have sense. And
these are like the candles that go in the candle holders,
like the long candles are tall ones. Okay, and you
get these that like.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Like middle age ages.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Yeah, you get, yeah, you're getting And you're doing this
with colors, so I would like each candle has a
color and represents something like white is just kind of
your universal color. Red is like love pink also it's
kind of love green as money. And then like black
is usually used when you want to do something mean.
And I had a lot of black candle black and yeah,

(47:48):
and I will say this, there's no such thing as
a good witch. I would have called myself, you know,
if people asked to me, I would have said that
I'm a good person, a good witch until you pissed
me off, and then I would I would literally it's true,
I'm being honest, Like I literally was nice until you
pissed me off, and then I would do and I
would you know where people, would you know, punch someone

(48:11):
or puss them out or anything like that. I didn't
do any of those things. I would turn around and
just put a hex.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
On you see. Now that was in my question list.
I was going to ask you if you were considered
a white witch, you know, which you know to some
people that means a good witch, right, or if you
were a dark witch, a black witch, which I guess
you were just a witch.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Yeah, well, there's no such thing. There's no such thing
as a white witch a black witch. If you're a witch,
you're I don't care what you say. You can say,
I just love nature. If somebody does something to you,
you will use those powers to get back at them.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Now, what about if you were to that's you know,
there's some people that they just worship the earth, you know,
they're the I don't know, water and earth and.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Yeah, and that's called that's called element witch craw So
you're using like you're worshiping the earth, wind, fire, water,
the sun, the moon, the stars, goddesses, gods. I did
all of that, you did, Okay, it's the same thing. There. Look,
it's all under the it's all under occultic practices, and

(49:21):
all that means is hidden. So it's all under the
same umbrella. I don't care. Like people can come up
with new names, different names. I've heard all kinds of
different colors of witches, green, purple. If you practice witchcraft,
you're just a witch. It's like it doesn't matter. And

(49:43):
when you're looking at like the occult, this is the
umbrella of like wickens, you're talking about witches, you're talking
about New Age, you're talking about Satanism. It's all under that.
Like the occult is the broadest umbrella of all of
these practices. If you're practicing, like worshiping your ancestors, that

(50:04):
is part of the occult.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
That's so, then that's part of witchcraft.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yes, I used to call on my ancestors for power
and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I would call on.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
The different gods and goddesses. I would look up the
different gods and goddesses from different places, like whether it was,
you know, from the gods and goddesses in Egypt to
the gods and goddesses of the everywhere I was pulling
them from and I would conjure like their power. I
would put these things in.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
My bell I have. I have neighbors that are are
mong from overseas, if you will, Laos and Lao whatever Laotians. Anyways,
they have a tradition and when somebody passes in their family,
they do what they call bells, So they ring bells

(50:55):
and they go back and forth, back and forth. And
apparently what this is supposed to do is is put
the the deceased into the other realm. And so it's
like moving their dead ones into the er life. Yeah,
so that's another type of yep.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Yeah, you're looking at like there's a lot. Satan is
very crafty, so he's incorporated lots of witchcraft and occult
things in cultures. Lots of things are in cultures like
the Native American culture very rooted in occultism.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
They call them jingle bells and all.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Kinds of practices. There's a you know, when you're looking
at African culture very steeped in occultism every like most
cultures have it. I'm I'm helping a girl who is
her family is she's she practiced practices Nordic paganism because

(51:54):
her family is from there. That's like the root of
where her family came from is uh, Norway. And and
it doesn't matter, like there's so many cultures, it's like
almost all of them. Like Satan isn't gonna only hit
up one or two. Like his goal is to literally
infiltrate everything.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Wow. Yeah, so, my my my friend wanted me to
ask you this question. I've never heard of a question
like this, but let's let's go for it. Did you
ever use the Lord or angels in your in your
magic or spells?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I so I never used God or Jesus. But when
I got into the occult, I mean into the New Age,
I started practicing, I mean going to these metaphysical like
uh kind of like little groups every month. And this
one lady who I really liked. She was a very

(52:53):
nice lady, weld She she introduced us to angel cards
and angel numbers. So yes, and that is dangerous. I
have seen people get caught up in the Christian world
with angel numbers and they're like, oh yeah, so it's new.
It's like numerology, but only it's hidden under angel numbers.

(53:17):
And also what's called synchronicity. They will shine that under
the guise of angel numbers. So synchronicity numbers are basically like,
you're becoming in tune with the like with our with
the spirit realm. And so what will happen is is
your start seeing repetit repetitition in numbers. So you'll see

(53:41):
like one one, one, one, two, two, two, three, three,
three four four four, five, five, five, six, six, six, seven,
seven seven. So this started happening to me, happening to
me in the New Age to the point where like
every time I would look at the clock, those were
the numbers that I would see, no matter what it
was like, I wouldn't look at the clock un tell
exactly I was a synchronicity number. I would see it

(54:02):
on people's license plates, on doors, addresses, things on the computer.
And then what they did with that is then they
introduced what's called angel numbers, and it's the same synchronicity,
only now it's oh, if you see seven, seven, seven,
it's this angel looking out for you, doing this and
this and this, and it's a lot. Angels are not

(54:23):
don't have favor numbers, and angels are not allowed unless
they are instructed by God to even do anything. But
they're under the authority of God. They don't act on
their own behalf. They don't have anything special. Everything they
are literally, you know, working under God. So if God
tells them to appear to a person, then they appear,

(54:43):
But they don't just act on their own free will.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
You know that sounds like and I don't know if
this was about the movie, but this sounds like the
movie that Jim Carrey was on called Numbers. So I
don't know if that has if that's the same thing
or not, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah, I have to I'd have to look and what like,
look at the movie to see. But they like so
the occult is really rooted in like really weird things
with like numbers, like the number thirteen and the number
thirty three, which is like a Freemasonic number, which so

(55:19):
I got. I just went down a lot of crazy
rabbit holes and when I was in my thirties, I
ended up becoming an Eastern Star. So that's the free
female version of the Masons.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Oh yes, that's right.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Yeah, so I got into that, and I will that
was a whole crazy experience in itself, Like I was
indoctrinated into it, and it is one hundred percent a ritual.
Oh and you know what, I take it back, not
in my own personal spells, but when I got it.
When I went to the to get indoctrinated into the Freemasons.

(55:56):
They have a Masonic Bible, and it's like a mixture
of Egyptology and then also the actual Bible and all
kinds of other occultism put together. And one of the
things that I had to do each woman that was
there that night we had we were given a particular

(56:18):
woman from the Bible. So I remember they gave me Ruth,
and I had to read from their Masonic Bible this
thing on Ruth. And I believe that they were imparting
whatever of whatever demon that is attached to that into
me that day because I was It was done in

(56:38):
the dark, nothing but candles, and I was standing in
the middle of the free the excuse me Eastern star symbol,
which is a it was a huge pentagram star, and
I'm in front of these head people, two of the
men from the Masons, and then the head leader lady,

(56:59):
and I'm basically reading this with like straw in my
hand and the and their Bible in the other, and
I'm doing this incantation out of the Bible. And that
is how I got in it, like it was a
couple of hours of being there, and one of the
requirements was that we had to wear all white, like
from our undergarments to everything shirts, spurt, shoes, socks, gloves.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Yeah. So while I was doing this, like I didn't
think anything about it because I practiced witchcraft, so but
I knew one. I was like, oh, this is an incantation.
But I wanted the power, and I knew that Freemasons
got away with stuff, so I was like.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I want to be one, So you didn't care.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
I sure didn't.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
In fact, you it sounds like exactly like.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
One of the things that Satan used for me was
the power. It was power. And even when I got
tired of being in witchcraft and I got tired of
the chaos and I just hadn't decided that I wanted
to change my life, what he just did was he
repackaged it. So that's how I got into the New
Age was because I was like, I want to change
my life. I don't want to be this person anymore.

(58:08):
My life was full of chaos. It was just like icky,
and I was like, I'm going to become a better person.
And so New Age was really presented to me as
self empowerment and self help, and so I got into like, oh,
practicing gratitude. And I am not saying the practicing gratitude
is anyway satanic. It's not practicing gratitude is just practicing gratitude.

(58:32):
But it's also used in the New Age, and so
I was like getting into like, you know, becoming a
better person and this and that, and then you know,
from there. I just remember I worked downtown Portland and
on my way to like lunch, I passed this crystal

(58:53):
store and it was just rocks. And it wasn't like
it wasn't presented as like like you know, a witch
after a cult store. It just was like a rock store.
But I walked in there and I'm looking at all
these beautiful like stones and I'm just like, these are
so cool. Well then they had this basket and in
this basket it had little batuls with different crystals and

(59:15):
it told you what the crystals were for what they did.
And then I was like, oh, cool bot them. That
became an obsession. I spent so much money at that store.
I had crystals all around my house feelings like around
the perimeter of the rooms where crystals over the door
jams crystals. I became very obsessed with them. I would

(59:37):
charge them and like carry them for protection and whatever else.
And so that was kind of like part of my
New Age thing. And really how I got indoctrinated into
the New Age was that I went to a metaphysical fare.
I don't like, I don't remember even how I found
the flyer to this, but like at the time, I

(59:59):
was day being this guy who like his grandmother was
like a psychic, so he was really cool with it.
So like we ended up going to the metaphysical fair
and I talked to like all these different people who
had all these different gifts, and I'm like, I want one,
like I want to do this. And so I had
like met with a shawman, met with like all these
different people, met sat down with a tarot reader, and

(01:00:22):
this girl was horrible, and I just remember being like
she sucks, like she she was so off, like I
don't know nothing. I'm like, she don't know nothing, like
you just make I was looking at her like you
just you're just guessing, like you're you're she was making
general assumptions and then just guessing, I'm like you ain't nothing.
Coming from these cars because you clearly don't know what
you're doing. And so I got up and I was

(01:00:43):
just like at that moment, I was like, man, this
is fate. I'm out. And at that very moment, this
is when Satan was like, we're about to lose her.
So I see this guy who is a psychic and
he's sitting next to the girl like over in the
same area where the girl that just got done with
my terror reading, and for some reason I sat down

(01:01:04):
and yes, the terrible reading. I sat down with this
guy who was a psychic and immediately he started talking
to me and telling me things that nobody knew. So
then I was like locked in. And at the end
of this reading, he looks at me and he says,
you are an open channel and so is your youngest son.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Oh, And I said yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
I said what is that? And he goes, you're you're
you're one of the ones that has the ability to
hone your skills and you can take on many skills.
And I'm like okay. He's like, you need to go
home and you need to start studying these abilities. So
he was rattling off different ones like Claire Audience clairvoyance,

(01:01:49):
time travel, being able to astro project all these different
things and channel automatic writing. He was like, you're a natural.
This is like you're super you can become super powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Wait a minute, wait a minute, you said time travel?
Is that is that something that people could actually do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
In the occult?

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
YEA really?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Now I mean is that is physical or is it
time traveling within the mind and seeing what the few was?

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Some people say physical, but from from the things that
happened to me, like I would be I traveled into
the spirit realm like every.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Night, so that'd be part of astrol projection, right, you're
asking no, So.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
When I traveled into the spirit realm, this was more
remote like remote traveling. But then and in viewing, whereas
I actually astro projected, and that was different, like you're
out of your body, like your spirit is gone, it's
not in your body anymore. Okay, it's a little different. Yeah,

(01:02:57):
it's it's crazy. So the ash I did astro project
one night and I started astro projecting because I started
listening to frequencies like on YouTube. All this stuff is
on YouTube, like there's frequencies for everything. And I started
listening to these frequencies all day, all night. This is
all I did, and I would sleep to these frequencies,

(01:03:18):
and one night I literally astro projected. I was like
when I came out of my body. I was in
my room looking down over my bed and I saw
my boyfriend at the time and this girl, and I
thought like, oh uh uh, like I'm about to beat
the brakes off, and I was like, there's a girl
in my house. And at that moment, I realized that

(01:03:43):
it was me. And as soon as I actually recognized that,
I immediately slammed back into my body. But the pain
that happens from this was so severe that like I
shot up off the bed and I was like sucking
in air. And I actually met with this girl who

(01:04:03):
comes from the Native American culture. She lived on a reservation,
and we had a whole conversation about this because she
was used to astro project all the time, and she
was like, oh, yeah, I remember that, and I was
just like, so I've confirmed that these things have happened
from other people that I've talked to that have experienced

(01:04:24):
the same type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
So if you don't know that you're projecting astraally, and
you find out while you're there, you just slam back
into your body because you don't know you just figured
it out and you're just like whoa right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Yeah, Like I literally realized. I said, oh my gosh,
that's me, and that's when I slammed back. But what
you have to do is you start like I was
supposed to like continue doing it and training myself so
that I could go different places. But that miss hurts
so bad. I was like that again, Yeah I was,

(01:05:00):
I will find a different way. But yeah, like even
at night, like I opened up so many more doors
in in in New Age than I ever did in
the witchcraft practicing. Like I got into like everything, so
I was into like the chakra balancing. I became a

(01:05:21):
reiki healer. I was like two seconds from becoming a
reiki master.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Okay, I've heard. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
It's like it's like energy healing. Uh. But what how
you get it is basically you go train with a
master and you go through these sequences. So like I
spent a couple of days at this well not stay
in the night, but I came back a couple of
days in a row to this lady's house. You do
all of these different steps. So she trains you up

(01:05:53):
on their schigules that you use, and you draw these
schigels into your hands or on paper, and this activates
the healing power within you and you the power isn't
activated until you have it what she called imbued into you.
What it is is that you're you listen and there's
incantations that you speak and you are basically opening the

(01:06:17):
door and inviting these certain demons, which they're not called demons,
they're called healing modality. Spirits all this into your body, right,
and then what happens is is once this is over with,
now you can go and you if you draw the sigils,
you'll start this. You'll feel it. You can feel it,

(01:06:39):
like it because you feel the energy, you feel the heat,
you can feel it, and then you can you start
healing and people get healed. Trust me, but it's a
false healing because where we're one, Satan is really janky
because like he'll heal you from one thing and then
give you something else. Wow, Yeah, He's not gonna completely
heal you like God. Like you know, God will feels

(01:07:01):
someone of cancer and they just never get it again.
Satan's like no ill feel you about it, but they
don't got to give you this issue. Yeah, I was
into that. I got into automatic writing and channeling, and
both of those are just allowing entities to come into
you and take over you. I had like a crazy

(01:07:23):
so like once I was in this, like I stopped
drinking because you can't really be like you can't really
use alcohol or be on alcohol when you're in the
New Age and like trying to do these things. So
like they'd more suggest like taking psychedelics or mushrooms or
you know, uh oh you can smoke like weed, marijuana,

(01:07:46):
you know that type of thing. And so I got
into doing that because I would meditate for like hours,
I would smoke and it would open up. I would
be completely like open nothing in my mind and then
this then I would channel and whatever entity would come
in it could they would it would come under like

(01:08:07):
you know, your higher self or different names, and it
would basically relay messages and then you like you would
have to record it or and then you could go
back and like hear the message. With channeling or automatic writing,
it's done with writing, so like it's the same thing,
same process. This entity comes in, it writes using your

(01:08:30):
body a specific message it leaves and when you come
back you read the message in your life. What in
the heck is it? Because you're not there when it's happening.
I also like would go into what I call the
dark void, where I would have conversations with like dead
loved ones like my grandmother and stuff like that. And

(01:08:50):
this was really crazy because like when I when this
happened to me, like I literally the first time it happened,
I didn't control it, like I that down. I was
cleaning my house on like Saturday, I sat down on
my coffee table, was like smoking, and all of a sudden, Oom,
I was in this dark void and my grandmother was
there and she had died over ten years ago. We

(01:09:12):
had this whole conversation. I was able to touch her,
feel her, I could smell like her hair, her scent, everything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
And it was so one hundred percent realistic. I don't
know how long I was tramced out in my house,
but when I came back, it was it felt so real.
And it wasn't until I got saved that I realized
that I was just talking with a familiar spirit, right,
And that's what all of this is based on. Like
if you go to a psychic, these people don't know

(01:09:42):
nothing there. They have agreed, came into agreement with the
familiar spirit and demons that are attached to their family bloodline,
and the demons that they have accepted in and attached
themselves to to have the powers. And then what happens
is that their demon talks to your demon. Because every
every single bloodline in this world have the familiar spirit.

(01:10:04):
So your demon on your to your family, who's traveled
with your family, been with your family for since the
beginning of your family, so they know every single person,
everything about everyone basically speaks to that psychics or medium's
demon and that's how they get the information.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, yeah, wow, I want to go back. I want
to go back to about astral projection because I want
to tell you a story of what happened to me
years ago before I was married, and I took my
well she's my wife now but girlfriend at the time,
and I took her to my where I'm from, Ohio.

(01:10:44):
So I went to take her and meet my relatives
and stuff, and so we went to Bath, Ohio where
my uncle lived and they're Christians, right, But when I
got into the house, there was a It was a
relatively new house for them. So we went to the
house and they have a poodle, and this poodle was

(01:11:05):
barking up a store. But I didn't think much of
it because poodles bark a lot, so but this poodle
was barking and barking at one certain room and then
just going nuts. So whatever, you know, that happened, and
we were talking. It was during the day. We were talking,
blah blah blah. Well it comes nighttime and we go

(01:11:26):
in our separate rooms, like she's in a different bedroom
than I am, and I go to my bedroom, but
they gave me and this happens to be the room
that this dog was barking at a lot. And so
I put my headphones on, I turn off the light.
I'm dozing off at this point, and I'm dozing off
and I'm in I guess we'd say in between where

(01:11:48):
I'm half asleep, half awake type of thing and the
bed I'm sleeping in. I tell you, it lifts up,
and it like levitates, but not like Exorcist levity, but
like it folds up, like as if somebody's lifting the
feet of it up right. And so I'm like it

(01:12:09):
kind of alerts me, so I'm like, huh. And so
when I get alerted, the bed pops down, and so
I turn on the light real quick. I see nothing there.
I look under the bed, I look in the closet,
nothing there. I'm like, okay, well it must be I
was dreaming because I knew that I was half in half,

(01:12:30):
So okay, that's nothing. So I just put on my
headphones again, listening to music or something, and I turn
off the light. But this time I'm wide awake because
I mean something like that. He kind of hard to
go back to sleep. Yeah, well, this time the bed
lifts up even higher and like like I'm almost falling

(01:12:53):
out of it, and I like whoa, and then again
the bed with slams down. I can't believe any but
he didn't hear that in the house. But I again
flip on the light, and now I'm scared. Now I
can sense something very heavy in the room, and it's
almost to the point where I could hear breathing and

(01:13:14):
like almost a sinister sound. I don't know how to
explain it, but it's very dark and heavy, and it
was so instead of praying, which I knew to do
at that time, but I didn't do it. Instead of
doing that, I went out to the living room and
turned on David Letterman and watched that until I fell

(01:13:36):
asleep on the couch right and then I wake up
like an hour later, and then I realized, what am
I doing? This is ridiculous, you know, I'm sure that's
a demon or something. And I'm a Christian at that time,
so I'm like, why don't I just pray? So I
finally I prayed that the blood of Jesus covers the
house and all this. But I don't know why I
didn't go to that from the beginning, but I didn't.

(01:13:58):
So once I did that, then I was okay. I
went back to the bedroom and I fell asleep and
had a fine sleep after that. But when I got
up in the morning, I saw my girlfriend and she's
and she was like, well, you look great, right, you know, sarcastically, like, yeah,
I didn't get much sleep. I told her the story,

(01:14:20):
and she goes, well, that's funny because I felt like
somebody was watching me in my bedroom. Oh yeah, So
I guess my whole point of bringing that story up
is I'm going to ask you would that have been
a demon in your mind or somebody astro projecting.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
It could have been either, but usual, I mean, it
could have been astra projecting, but I would think I
would lean more towards the demon. Okay, usually I mean
unless the person used to live there or something like,
or they were after you'd like, usually you don't have
astro projecting on people like I mean, unless they are

(01:15:02):
doing something to you. So like witches and warlocks, you know,
and people like that, they will astral project into people's
houses to do stuff to them. Yeah, but demons, if
there was somebody who used to live there, the practiced,
or they brought any type of item or anything into

(01:15:24):
the house, demons will come in and just mess with people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Wow. Yeah, and that's that's what happened. Because I mean,
I'm telling you, the bed lifted up, and I don't want.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
You don't know, you don't got to convince me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
I didn't say nothing to my aunt and uncle because
I didn't want to freak them out. But you know,
I'm just like man that stood that stuck with me
all these years, and you don't forget something like that, right,
But yeah, I was just like because when I when
I learned about astro projecting. I could have been somebody
doing that, but I mean I don't know, like I said,

(01:16:01):
because when I heard the breathing that was like it
sounded like a human. But you know demons could act
like that too, so.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, like you can. They can mimic anything.
Like there was like when I got into the New Age,
that's really when I had the crazy stuff happened. Like
so I had a entity tell me that I was
Isis reincarnated, So I like this was what it's crazy

(01:16:31):
is because of this, And it was like I literally,
you know, believed it. It was such a strong, impressive
impression that came into this, like it was crazy what
what happened, but I I literally believed it to the
point that like I got the the Egyptian sign for

(01:16:53):
the eye of Horce tattooed on my side. Oh okay yeah,
and I like, h one night I was sleeping and
I am like, this is gonna sound really funny because
I laugh at it all the time. Like for me
being a person who practiced witchcrap, was in the New

(01:17:14):
Age channel and doing all this, I was very like
scary of certain things my whole life, Like I never
would pick it, like, you would never get me to
mess with the wigi board.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Never.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
I was like I was the person that like, I'm
not doing candy man, You're not gonna get me to
say any weird things. I'm not doing none.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Of that in the mirror.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
Yeah, nope, nope. Never. I also, like I also would
have I've never seen a horror film, not going like
I like people are like you've never seen I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Don't like it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
No, I don't know why, but I always knew, like
if you want to get a demon, watch one of those.
That's how you're gonna get a deman. If you want
to get a demon, play with the wigi board. And
so even like I didn't understand like the Witchcraft was,
you know, demonic, like, but I knew that those things were.
Like that was another reason why I wasn't into like
Halloween and stuff like that, because I'm like uh uh

(01:18:06):
uh yeah, Like so I stayed away from that type
of stuff. But like, you know, that doesn't you know,
it doesn't really matter because the other things that you
mess with brings it in as well. But that was
just one of the things that like I knew not
to touch, but you know it we don't. Sometimes we
don't realize that, like you know, like for instance, your

(01:18:29):
situation like it. It doesn't necessarily obviously you know, if
they were Christians, they might not have been messing with anything.
But you never know what has happened in the house
or what was brought into that house because once people
bring certain things in, you can't get them out sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Right, And you don't know what people do in their
private life, so you know who not right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
And they have grounds like if that's why, Like you know,
you see people and they're like they have the like
what's that stupid dull Annabelle or whatever, and people like
go and see it. I'm like, you have to be
a more. I'm not none of that, but people do,
and then bad things happen to them. It's because these
like demons can literally inhabit like things, right, So it's

(01:19:11):
like and I've watched stuff like I've watched the like
people you know who go and like you can see
objects moving or the doll's eyes moving, see that right there?
What ahead I've been over And this is this is
why Satan is very smart about what he does to people.
Because if he would have ever if a demon ever

(01:19:33):
appeared to me as a demon, I would have been done.
So he Satan never allowed, like no demons ever appeared
to me in their pure form. It was always in
like different different forms. So like the Egyptian god showed
up in my room one night, and even that spooked me.
Like I woke up and there was straight like raw

(01:19:56):
or horse or whoever, dressed completely in agipt guard with
the head covering head dress. Yeah, my bed, and I
just my thought process was like what the heck? First
I thought I was hallucinating, and then I was like,
you know what, I would just pretend like I'm asleep

(01:20:17):
and maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Did work.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Yeah, he didn't say anything either. It was very weird.
He just sat there like staring at me. Yeah, it was.
He was just watching me at the end of the bed,
and I was like okay, and I just I just
thought like, okay, I'm gonna pretend like I'm you know,
like he doesn't see me, I don't see him, and

(01:20:43):
hopefully he just goes away. But like this was, you know,
this was like weird. Things were happening to me the
whole time I was like practicing New Age. It was
just like one thing after another, and what was crazy.
Is when I got to this end of this, when
God really like decided like it's time to pull her out.

(01:21:04):
That's that's when I never saw a demon, but I
had this demonic presence that started attacking me, and it
gave me the spirit of fear, and it was I'm
talking about this is not a normal fear. This fear
was like the only thing I can tell people is imagine,

(01:21:25):
like somebody drops you off in the middle of the
woods and pitch black and they say, you have ten
seconds to run because I'm gonna murder you. That's about
us cool like, and then multiply that by a hundred.
The fear that I felt was so weird, and it
was like it was so crazy because like it was

(01:21:46):
a feeling that you couldn't shape, that you were being
watched followed. I could feel the evil, yeah, but I
couldn't figure out I'm like, am I being stoked or something?
But like I'm thinking in the physical and it definitely wasn't.
But it was so crazy that in my mind I
couldn't take a shower with my bathroom door shut, Like
for some reason, I felt like if I shut this door,

(01:22:06):
somebody I can be murdered in an instant. I don't
know why because my house had like cameras, alarm systems
and everything. I don't know why, but I just was
like this. I mean, I do know why. It was
the spirit, but it was like literally the evil that
was rating off this thing, and it was attached to
me because it was everywhere. Like you, it wasn't just

(01:22:28):
like oh, in my house or something. This thing was
on me. Yeah and so but yeah, so like how
I even got out of all of this was basically
like I I was going down every rabbit hole training
up I had, you know, was opening up my chakras.

(01:22:48):
I had started, uh came across the frequency for Condolini
and started doing that. And what happened with that, Yeah,
it's dark. As I started to do this like a
week About a week later, I was sitting at work
and all of a sudden I could not function. And like,

(01:23:12):
all I could tell you is I could hear like
thousands of voices in my head. And I have no
mental illness history in my family, nor have I ever
had any mental illness. I've never been diagnosed with nothing.
I literally heard like thousands of voices and it was

(01:23:34):
chatter like shot, but nothing. It wasn't some specific talking.
It was just chatter and it was loud, and it
was stopping me from doing anything, like I could not function.
I couldn't function on my job. I just couldn't think
because of this chatter, and so I immediately freaked out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
It was audible for you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
It's it's like in your head. Okay, So it wasn't
like coming from the outside in. It's like internal, but
you can hear it in your mind. And it was
just like talking. Like imagine being at like a stadium
and and like all you're hearing is you know, forty
thousand people talking all at once, but it's like in

(01:24:16):
your head, right, Yeah. It's so basically like I looked
up stuff you know, on the computer for you know,
in the New Age, like why am I hearing this?
And of course, you know, they always come up with nonsense.
It's like, oh, it's because you're ascending, you know, to
the next level and you're reaching a new dimension and yeah,

(01:24:38):
so of course no. And because the sad part is this,
you believe this, so you're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna
keep going. Yeah. Well, like I got in, like it
was like another week or so passed, and it just
was getting worse and worse, and finally I said, forget this.

(01:25:00):
I'm like, I am, I'm good. And so I stopped
doing anything with the Kundalini spirit and then immediately the
voices stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Well there, ye see.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
The voice is automatically like I mean, like as soon
as I stopped the frequencies and all of that, the
voices just stopped. And it was making it weird where
I was seeing things with my like I was looking
but I could see I can't even explain this. I
was seeing things like in like while I'm away, Yeah,

(01:25:32):
and it was just crazy and I was like, I
think I'm good. And so but then I went down
the you know, the path of like aliens, and you
know there's a whole when you are in the New Age,
there's like a whole thing called the Federal Federation, Galactic Federation,
suck and all of that. Yeah, so I was all
up in that, you know. But this is what's the
crazy thing is that always when I was in the

(01:25:54):
New Age, I did not like I was not I
never believed like God was not real. I never believed
that know there was like I never became an atheist
or anything like that. And I would never that was
never something I would agree with in the New Age,
like it was. I was like, you know, or God
was a woman or any of that. I was like,
that's nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Well you know, it's plus you grew up and you
seem too much to even think like that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
I think, yeah, I just think that God was like
he was tethered to me a lot more than I
ever knew, and so like, h there was one day
that I had been at home. I was like, you know,
going on all those Discovery Channel shows about aliens and
ancient you know, aliens and all this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Oh, I was so far gone. It's very interesting, it is, Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
I definitely was like aliens. I was convinced aliens were
real and everything. And one day I was sitting at
work and mind you, on my YouTube. My YouTube I
only would listen to, like secular music, or I would
listen to like frequencies. That's all I did. And so
this one day, this video pops up and it's on aliens,

(01:27:12):
and so I immediately was like, oh, I'm interested, and
so I click on it. But it wasn't what I thought.
But it didn't matter. I was already invested in this,
and I want to say it was like either like
Rob Sidka or La Marzouli or someone like that. But
they were talking about aliens and they started talking about

(01:27:33):
like they were talking about how there was a study
done with people that had been abducted, and it was
like it was a couple hundred people and all of
them had said that. How the abductions and experiences stopped
was when they said the name Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
That's right. I remember that video.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
I was like, what, like Jesus, where did Jesus come from? Now?
Mind you? Because I grew up in the Jehol witness
is Jesus is not God in that religion, right, Jesus
is like they do believe Jesus is God's son, but
they believe that he's a created bean. He's like equivalent
to like the archangel Michael. They also teach that there

(01:28:10):
is no such thing as heaven. So growing up, I
had no repercussions for my actions. I never had a
fear that like, oh, I'm doing this stuff, this could
be wrong. I'm going to how right exactly like do
what you want? It was kind of like Alistair Crawley,
do what thou wilt the mentality that I had. And

(01:28:30):
so basically, as I'm watching this, it comes to the
point in the video where he said, did it ever
occur to you that the aliens are demons? I kid you,
not my entire inner being, all the I mean, I'm
talking about my soul, my spirit, everything new in that
moment that demons they were. It was real that aliens

(01:28:51):
were demons. And I immediately was like, oh no, yes,
And then he said to me, he said it was
to me at this time God was using it. But
he says in there, he says, you know, Satan hates
you so much. It doesn't matter how he gets you

(01:29:11):
and how you die or anything. All that he cares
is that you don't know the truth and you don't
know how to get out. And he said it doesn't
matter whether you die of a drug overdose or you know,
from cancer or whatever. The main goal is that you
never know Jesus and that that is how you break
free and all like, I heard that part, but what

(01:29:35):
I heard the most was how much Satan hated me.
And I got really mad. I was pissed, and I'm like,
hold on, why do you hate me? Like I don't
even know you, dude, like what? And so then I
had decided, you know what, since you hate me, I'm
going to study you because I want to know why
you hate me. So I so that's what I decided

(01:29:56):
to do. And so I went down all these rabbit
holes and I didn't get into like, I did not
study Satanism or something like that, but I started looking
at like different things as far as like learning about
principalities and learning about like the Marine Kingdom and all
these different crazy things. And I got into, uh, like

(01:30:17):
learning about freemasonry and what it really was and what's
behind it. And I was learning all these different things
the troops, not their point of view, but the truth
about it, to the point where eventually I got to
the point where I was convinced that satan was one
hundred percent real. It wasn't a cartoon, it wasn't fake,

(01:30:38):
and I was one hundred percent convinced that Hell was real.
And as soon as I was convinced that that, I said,
what's literally in my head, I said, what is the
way out? What's the end game? I want to know?
Soon as I said that, I youtobe because God used

(01:30:59):
YouTube to save me. I'm not kidding YouTube. This creature
showed up on my YouTube. He used one preacher who
had over three hundred He has like three hundred and
ninety sermons that you can still listen today, and he
used him and he was preaching on witchcraft, he was
preaching on getting deliverance, he was preaching on all this stuff.

(01:31:21):
His name is Stephen Darty. He passed away, but he's
out of Kentucky. And basically I'd never heard a sermon
I wouldn't like. It was the curiosity killed the cat
type thing. I clicked on it and was sucked in immediately.
And he was just preaching all these different things. And
as I'm listening, I'm like, uh oh, I am messed up.

(01:31:42):
And so now I'm like, I gotta figure out how
to get out. I want out. I want out of
this matrix. Like I don't want to be a part
of this anymore. I don't want nothing to do with this.
I need to shut these doors. And so that became
like my everyday thing. I was absorbed into these sermons,
but yet I'm still practicing, I'm still doing all this stuff.

(01:32:05):
And it got to the point like one night, it
was like midnight It was on a weekend. I had
came home from work and stuff, and I was like, Oh,
I'm gonna do you know, my normal usual stuff. And
then I was like, oh, I think, you know, like
I'll probably you know, write, do some automatic writing, maybe
channel you know, my normal and which.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
By the way, is not normal for.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
It's not normal. It was mine. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely
not a normal thing that people should be doing. But
for me it was it was completely you know, it
was completely normal to me, and so and so basically

(01:32:53):
I just, you know, I pretty much was just like,
you know, the this is I'm just going to keep
doing this stuff. But I'm listening. And it got to
the point one night, I mean I think like I
came home, had a couple of drinks, smoked. It was
like it got to be like midnight and I just
was like I had remember him listening to the sermon

(01:33:15):
and he talked about how he would you know, he
was into smoking, drinking, he was in his twenties. He
kept hearing God calling him, but he was ignoring the
Holy Spirit. One night, he's in a bar, drunk as
a skunk at the bar and he hears the Holy
Spirit say get up and leave and this is the

(01:33:35):
one time that he does this. And he was also
like a bit one of the biggest drug dealers that
at that time in Kentucky where he lived. And so
he ends up walking out, and he said immediately he
became sober. He went home. He didn't know what had happened,
but he knew something had happened, and so he ended up,

(01:33:58):
you know, starting to change. He was like I the
next day, his friends were calling him like, hey, let's drink,
let's smoke. He's like, I don't smoke no more. I
don't drink no more. And he just didn't know why.
And so I got it in my head like okay,
hold on, Like if he could do this, I bet
you I could go and talk to God and do something.
And so this night I went in my bedroom around midnight,

(01:34:18):
I got on my knees and I just had a
conversation with God and I said, look, I was like,
if you want me, you're gonna have to do a
lot of work. And I was like, I'm not gonna
do anything. I said, this is all you. And I
basically made a loving it with God, and I told him,
if you heal me, if you take all the trauma,
the pain, whatever is wrong with me. If you heal me,

(01:34:41):
take all the you know, the addictions, that everything. And
I told him I'm not going to a therapist. I said,
you are gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
And I said, by the way, that's exactly what God
wants is people to surrender to him. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
So if I said, and in return, in return, I
will never walk away from you, I will never turn
my back on you for the rest of my life
to say yeah, I didn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I didn't care.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
Yeah, And so I meant it because I was like,
you know what, I'm going to give him something, the
most ultimate thing that I can think of of myself,
so that he understands how serious I am about this.
I'm not joky. And so when I said this, like
I began to cry hysterically. It was an ugly cry there.

(01:35:33):
It was like sobbing, very guttural, and all of a
sudden there was this weird saw release, this guttural sound
that came out of me. And then I just felt
peace and I went to sleep. I woke up and
nothing changed. And this was the thing. If I never said, like, Okay, tomorrow,
I'm going to stop drinking. I'm going to stop doing it.
I knew that when I asked him, it would be

(01:35:54):
done at his time, his will, and I was just
to listen and obey when the time came. And so
I just kept going about my life and he's just
started working behind the scenes. And it got to the
point where, like right after I did this, Sayton went

(01:36:14):
into overdrive and was causing a lot of chaos and
stuff in my life. I ended up doing a deliverance
on myself because where I lived in Oregon, there and
still there isn't I don't know any deliverance ministers or
anything like that. This is before Isaiah Salvadar had that
deliverance map or anything. So I was just like one
day I was like, I knew I needed deliverance to

(01:36:35):
shut all the doors. And so I was looking online
and I found this place in Florida. And when I called,
the guy's like, oh, yeah, we can do it. And
I was like, do I have to come there? He's
like no, And then at the end of the conversation
he's like, but we would like a donation of four
hundred and sixty seven. I'm like, what the heck? Oh no,
So I was like really nice to him. I hung

(01:36:57):
up the phone and I just set it out loud
in my house, I will not pay for Jesus. And
at that moment, I picked up my computer again and
I just typed the word deliverance and up topped a
thirty page manual and I pressed it off. And I
had made a decision like on this day, at this time,

(01:37:18):
I'm going to do this deliverance and I did. I
sat down, and it was like I was being guided
by the Holy Spirit one hundred percent, like he told
me to do this unforgiveness exercise where I wrote down
from the time that I could remember, all the way
up until that day, people that I needed to forgive.
And I sat down and I said, just out loud, Jesus,

(01:37:39):
I forgive so and so for this and this and this.
And I went down this entire list and forgave. And
then afterwards I said out loud to God anyone else
who I have not said, please bring it to my
mind at any time so that I can forgive them.
And then I went through this manual and pray, prayed

(01:38:02):
the scriptures that needed to be prayed, read them out loud,
put on the armor of God and I went to war.
I was like, I don't care, I'm going to get free,
and I just started breaking everything off of myself. The
only problem though, is that I had no idea once
you do, you know, do this that like the scripture

(01:38:23):
and the Bible that like if you clean your house
the demons will come back. Like that's times work. Yeah,
that's that's that's an understatement. It's way more than seven times.
It was like it was like Satan did a friends
and family deal and like all of the my life
got crazy. And what was funny is I was like,

(01:38:46):
what did I do wrong? And next thing you know,
there's the new sermon and it is him and the
same creature that he uses every time talking about how
when you clean your house you need to fill it
with the word of God. So I don't I mean,
I probably didn't have to do it, but I turned
around and did the deliverance again. And this time, like

(01:39:07):
I stopped watching TV for like six months plus, and
all I did was listen to sermons all the time,
like play them loud in my house. I like listened.
God started showing me like how to get rid of
the music that I was listening to. Cause I start,
I haven't listened to secular music in years, Like that's
just I don't have secular music playlist, none of that.

(01:39:30):
And so he started putting in like gospel music and
songs that were like completely different, and so I started
listening to that and I started. One of the things
that I didn't know how to do was pray. And
so one day the Holy Spirit was like, pick up
a journal, pick up the book, pick up a journal,
and start writing to me. And so I did, and

(01:39:53):
I started writing to God every day. I would talk
to him. So and God didn't allow me to go
to church for like over a year. So I sat
with God like he trained me. I don't And one
of the things that I think why is because God
was teaching me that I did not need anything or
anyone else but Him, and so I have never relied
on like, oh I need prayer, let me ask the

(01:40:13):
pastor or this person or pray for me. I'm like
for what I talked to God on a daily basis.
And the crazy thing is is that like this didn't
happen until years later. But God finally was just like
those gifts that you have always had were mine and
they were hijacked. So the automatic writing that I used
to do, I still write, but now the Holy Spirit

(01:40:37):
speaks to me and I get downloads from the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Literally, I mean that's that's exactly how the Bible is written.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Yeah, so I get those. I talked to the Holy
like the Holy Spirit started. It was it's been crazy,
like it's a wild ride that I've been on. But
like I get the like even the like the channeling,
I would say, is what the downloads are from the
Holy Spirit, like, and I'll hear him say something like
I hear his messages because he will. He will download

(01:41:08):
information about people to me for me to deliver it
to them. And so that has happened. Like I literally
was talking to someone who I ended up interviewing on
my podcast, and before like we were doing anything, we
were speaking over the phone. We ended up talking for
like two hours and we're just talking. And at the
end of this, this gentleman says, you know, God has

(01:41:30):
allowed me to see part of my wife, like but
like a capture of my wife, he said, but I
can't see her full face. And I and at this moment,
this is what I don't know how to explain it.
But when the Holy Spirit drops something into my mind
and into my heart that I have to speak, I
get this very weird urge that like I have to

(01:41:51):
do it. And so at this moment, I'm like, I
don't even know this kid, but okay, And I said,
the reason why you can't see your wife's face is
because you have these strongholds attached to you still, and
until you break these off, God will not reveal your
wife's because you will not be able to walk in
your full purpose of as a husband what He's called
you to do this day. Then I'm like, what the heck?

(01:42:16):
And it's almost like it's almost like he takes over.
But then it's like I'm clearly there because like when
I'm talking, it's not like channeling where like you're gone
somewhere because this demon has inhabited you. That's not how
the Holy Spare operates, right, And so I'm well aware
that I'm speaking this, I'm clear, but it's just like
here I go again. I hope it is right. And

(01:42:37):
then when I got done, he goes, Oh my goodness,
and he said to me, he goes, he said, you
know what he said? The first three that you said?
He said, I was just praying to God this morning
about those and I said, well, then I believe that
he used me for your confirmation. And he goes, he said,
he goes, I've never met a real one. And I said,

(01:42:57):
what is that a real one?

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
What are you doing about?

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
He goes, a real person who has the prophetic gift.
He's like, you see fake people and they say fake stuff.
He's like, but I've never met a real one. He
was like, do you even know like what you do?
And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like,
he said, from the time that you've been talking to me,
he said, do you know you've spoke so much life
into me and into my life? He was like, you

(01:43:22):
get the wisdom and knowledge that came out of you.
He was like, you have encouraged me so much. And
I'm just like, yeah, I don't know. And he's like,
that's what you do. And then and for a long time,
like I wouldn't like I I was in denial and
I would be like, God would tell me stuff and
I'd be like no, And one day the Holy Spirit

(01:43:44):
convicted me and said, why are you denying the gifts
that I'm giving you? And I was like ooh, because
I because of the way that people have falsified like
the prophetic and you. I hate that. I hate titles.
I do not like like if people ask me, what
are you, I'm like, what is that supposed to mean?
Like I'm nothing. I'm just Carla. I'm a follower of

(01:44:08):
Jesus Christ. That's about it. I don't use titles, so
you know, I don't. And I hate the term prophetess.
It annoys me to death. I'm like, that's not real.
You guys made that up, like nowhere, there's no such
thing as a prophetess. It's like, you know, you're it's
like it's like you're trying to turn a princess into
a prophetess. It just it's it's like stop doing that.

(01:44:30):
And so I hate when people ask me are you, oh,
say like you're a prophetesst. I'm like, no, I sure
am not. But like I just didn't, like, I mean,
I've seen so much fakeness and stuff that it was
just like I didn't want to be labeled as anything.
And so I but I thought that I was being
humble by denying the very gifts of God and the

(01:44:51):
Holy Spirit. Finally, that's what he convicted me of. He
was like, why would you deny the gifts that I've
given you? And so that's to me in the faith.
And then I was like okay, and so yeah, I
will admit now that I am prophetic. But I do
not operate like I don't walk up to people and
be like, God has get a word for you. I

(01:45:13):
don't even I don't know when it's gonna happen. And
I've never been wrong. And I think the only reason
why that I've never been wrong is because I've never
tried to operate out of my own free will. I
don't know whoever he wants me to deliver the message
or whatever it is. I'd ever know who the person is.
It can just be It'll be random, and at some

(01:45:35):
point in time the urge comes over, I get the
message and I deliver it and it's spot on. But
I think if I ever tried to walk up to
somebody and be like, oh, I have a word for you,
that would be fake and it wouldn't happen. So I'm
very I guard my gifts undeniably, Like there's a lot
of things I don't do, a lot of places I
don't go. I don't like to be around a lot

(01:45:55):
of people because I sense the demons around them and
the evil. I'm a homebody. I'm not a hermit, but
I am very cautious of my gifts because I have that.
I get dreams, I get visions I have God has
used me. Allowed me in a dream one of our
family member their their marriage was being destroyed. He allowed

(01:46:18):
me to go into the spirit room in my in
a dream and fight for her marriage and break off
what was coming against her and her husband, to where
I woke up out of this dream speaking in tongues
and was like what and loudly, loudly in the middle
of the night, and I looked over and my husband
was still sleep and I was like, oh, that's trippy

(01:46:39):
because I knew I had woken up. It was loud,
but like, He's done so many like amazing things, and
I say crazy, but not in a bad way, but
like he had started to use me in ways that
I never imagined, and I didn't I didn't realize this,
but it was. It's interesting. Like a couple of year

(01:47:00):
years ago, I did a podcast and in the end
of the podcast, it was the first time that God
gave me a prophetic message, and I stated in this
message and it was like you can watch it on
YouTube even And at the end of this podcast, I said,
God is raising up an army. And I said it
it's not the people who people think it is. I said,

(01:47:22):
it's not the people that have been in church their
whole life and everything else. I said, it's the people
who you know are coming out of being gangbangers, who
are coming out of being drug addicts, ex dancer, strippers, prostitutes.
I said, this army. The reason why they are being
called is because they have been through the worst of
the worst and they've never it didn't kill them. Because

(01:47:44):
of that, they have an unbelievable different type of strength
that God is instilled in them. And these people will
be able to help all of the people who are
in these things today. So your ex satanists, your ex witches,
your ex new your ex everything you name it, ex murderers,
I don't care. Well, He is literally choosing these people

(01:48:07):
and he's raising up an army of soldiers.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
And I see that too, by the way I see it,
and I really I'm comforted by it actually because they're
the real they're real people and not that to say
that some Christians that go to church aren't they are right,
But these are the people that have been through it
all and God has gotten them through it and they're

(01:48:33):
chosen for this time.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
Yeah. And what's crazy is like, there's there's other people
that I have recently talked to and I've said this
statement and they're like, oh my goodness, I've been saying
this too, and they are there are So this is
gonna be really interesting. But at one point in time,
like a few months ago, I have you know how

(01:48:56):
you hear like people are like, oh, my spiritual mentor this,
that and that are like a spiritual mother, spiritual father
or whatever. And one day I was in my prayer
room and I asked God like out loud. I was
just like, do I get one of those? And literally
it was the first time I heard this so loud.
It was like it radiated through me hard. Oh okay, okay,

(01:49:23):
right right. I left it alone, and then I heard
like quietly like why would you need that when you
have me and we speak every day, And I would
like point taken. Well, Then what happened later on is
then I heard the Holy Spirit says, I'm going to
allow you to meet the fellow soldiers that I'm raising up.

(01:49:44):
And He started allowing me to meet these people and
every one of us have amazing different gifts. I'm meeting
people that are seers that it can see in the
spirit room. They see the demons that are attached to people.
I'm meeting people now that don't that are deal like,
haven't been trained up all the way that God has

(01:50:05):
allowed me to walk with them and they I was
talking to one of the girls and she's just like,
I've always had this ability and da da da da da.
And then she's talking to me. The Holy Spirit says
Tellor Teller, And I said, you're a seer And I said,
do you know what you what you're supposed to do?
And she's like no. And I said, you have the
ability to see the demons that are attached to people,

(01:50:25):
and that gives you the power to go into the
spirit and intercede and break the demons off of them.
And she was like, what I said, you don't understand.
You know the movie that we watch, you know that
are the superheroes where God has real superheroes. They just
don't have the type of dumb powers that you see
in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
They may not have a cape, but right they and.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
They operate in secret. Nobody runs around, you know, like
with a cape on saying you know, that's not it.
But these are the gifts that we are to use.
And even like you know what the podcast like Speak
Life with Carla, how that even came about was because
God was like, you have the gift to speak life

(01:51:11):
into people, so start doing it. And he taught me, like,
use my words and speak over them. I started like,
people will ask me like, can you pray for me?
And literally I started praying, you know, writing out the
scriptures and the prayers and sending it to them. And
the Holy Spirit started teaching me to do this. He said,

(01:51:32):
because not only do you need to pray over them,
but they need to come into agreement with the prayer.
And so he said, write it and send it and
have them read it. And so I did. That's what
I do. It's like I'm like, oh, you asked me
to pray, I now have to write it out and
send it to you. But I've also taught people like

(01:51:52):
you know, who are going through things, start speaking God's
word over yourself. If you're going battling cancer, you're doing
this you're doing that starts seeking his word about healing,
start speaking his word into yourself, because what happens is
is you you know, let's say you get sick, automatically
fear comes in and so you have to come against
those things. Like you have the power to speak life

(01:52:14):
or death. You gotta start using it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
It's not about like, oh, let's be nice, like good morning,
how's you today. That's that's great and all, but that's
not what he's talking about. The power to speak life
is when you start speaking his word and decreeing and
declaring and breaking things off of yourself and don't come
into agreement. When people say stuff to me and I'm like,
that's not of God, I rebuke that in the name
of Jesus. The devil is a lie. When I've said

(01:52:42):
it to people in front of them and they looked
at me like I was crazy. I don't really care,
Like I did my part. I'm good. I don't care
you think I'm crazy, Like, but yeah, you have to.
You have to do these things. And it all goes
back to you know, the power. The power is in
the words that we because God made us in his

(01:53:02):
image and if he had the power to speak the
world and everything into existence. You have that same power,
not to the extent of God, but you still have
it because you're made in His image.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Well, I mean, it even says in the Bible, like
in the end Times, people basically deny the power of
God even though they act right. They act like they're
Christians right.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
And what's interesting is that I found in the Church,
you can't even speak about these things. I don't ever
talk to any like, I don't tell people really when
where I came from. In the church, I don't speak about,
you know, the crazy things that I've seen. The spirit,
you know, the spirit real. That's the cool thing what
God meant when he said I'm going to show you
your fellow soldiers. These people are the people that we

(01:53:48):
have conversations. We go have crazy deep conversations. The girl
that I'm she's coming on my podcast. She that came
from the Native American culture. She's been inducted into these
secret organizations that of Americans have, they have like secret fraternities.
She was inducted into a couple of them. She like
has dealt with cryptids, all kinds of stuff, And I'm like,

(01:54:09):
I'm into that type of stuff, Like I'm into all
of it. I'm like, I believe all of this, and
it's because of what it's what it's capable in the
spirit realm. So like people are like, you know, Bigfoot's
just fake. I'm like, no, it's not. I believe that
that thing. I believe it's real. It's a manifestation of
some type of entity. But it's you know, I don't
care that it comes Harry, that's the demonic entity.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
I don't care, Like, well, remember like the what is
it called the Middle Ages and whatever, and that's the
same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:54:40):
No, but I actually know people that they've seen else,
they've seen fairies. When you think about it, like when
you look back and you look at like Greek you know,
Greek mythology and the satyrs and this and that, you know,
and then you've looked realized like in the Book of
Genesis and in Noah's time when they were mixing DNA,

(01:55:00):
It's like these things weren't fake. This was real. They
were playing with the DNA. This is how you got
the dinosaurs. Because I'm like, how does some of these
dinosaurs look like lizards and birds? They're huge, Let's see
because we mixed it right, like that that wasn't gone.
Didn't build those because that wasn't what he had, Like
these things were. They were medaling, like with the DNA.

(01:55:22):
But it's like people don't put the they don't put
two and two together. And Satan has done a really
good job of like making people to where they don't
have critical thinking ability right. And it's almost like, you
know when you see in the matrix like the blue
pill and red pill, it's like people have to be
red pilled almost by God, like the eyes to see,

(01:55:43):
the ears to hear, the ability to open up and
be receptive to the stuff to finally be like, oh whoa,
this is real.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Right, this is crazy, the real rabbit hole. If you
will you know, yeah, Carlo, do they let you back
in the churches? Do they want you in churches anymore?
Because you're so uh upfront about this? Huh?

Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
So well, you know what, it's kind of funny. So yes,
I go to church, but I just don't talk about
a lot of the stuff like the church. Let me
explain like this, I go to church, but I go
to church like I'm not. I go to church, but
it's not like that's not the end all be all

(01:56:28):
for me, like I go to church out of respect
for God and to hear the word and to be
around you know, people who believe in God and Jesus
and you know, love him. But I don't go there
for for the teeth, the like deep instruction or anything
that is that's downloaded from the Holy Spirit. Just asking
God questions. I asked. I asked him whatever I need

(01:56:50):
to know, and I pray for things like you know
people pray for like houses, cars, that type of stuff.
I've never prayed for that. Really, I pray for like
the gift of knowledge. I asked God for the I've
asked God. I don't want time, I said, I want
the same knowledge that you gave King Solomon, only I
don't want the bad side to it. And I said,

(01:57:12):
I want the gift of like understanding like everything about you.
I want the gift of you know, being able to
help people spiritually heal them. I want. I've I've asked
him for different gifts, and then he also has given
me many gifts, and like i've it's interesting, like I
didn't really know like what my purpose would ever be.

(01:57:37):
I thought, especially when I first became a Christian, I
thought that you know, it was joining the worship team
and then like being on the prayer team and being
on the women's ministry and things like that. And God
taught me really quick that like churches not like churches
where broken people are, because like there's so many people

(01:57:57):
that are in church that are jacked up. And I
don't mean like people that are hurting, that are seeking Jesus.
I mean people who claim to be Christians who literally
have the spirit of Pride on them, the spirit of Jezebel.
You they're just operating out of like purely wanting to
be important. And you know, one of the things that
God has always stressed to me is like titles are nothing.

(01:58:19):
You have the ultimate title and that is a child
of God. There is no other title. So like when
you're putting yourself I am a Black Christian, or I
am a you know, Japanese Christian, or I am a
Democratic Christian or a Republican Christian or a whatever, like,
you know, people want to label themselves as that's nonsense, right,
that none of that is biblical and all of that

(01:58:41):
is from the flesh. That doesn't that is not your identity.
Your identity is in Jesus Christ. That is who you are.
You're also, your identity is not I'm a mom, I'm black,
I'm you know, or I'm Native American, or I'm a
husband or any of that. Those are Those are things
abilities and gifts that God has allowed you to walk
in and be a part. But that's not your identity either.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
Right amen. So we have It's just great because this
is real. You know, that's what Jesus wants. He wants
a real relationship with you. Yeah, not with fake people
at church. And I'm not saying that all people at church.
I want to be clear about that, because I go
to church. I'm on the worship team. In fact, I

(01:59:22):
help lead worship. Okay, but we see so many people
out there that come to church and have a fake
smile on and you know, how are you doing? That's nice,
But the real part of it is what's in your heart,
what's in your life, And Jesus wants a relationship with
each and every one of us, and that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
It's about, exactly like all of like people. If you're
thinking that, like you, going to church every week means
that you have this grand relationship with Jesus, that's false.
You're operating in the spirit of religion, because it's not.
Your relationship with Jesus is literally the time you spend

(02:00:04):
with him, the time that you spend worshiping with him,
the time that you spend praying with him, the time
that you spend reading his word, the time that you
sit just quiet in silence.

Speaker 9 (02:00:15):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:00:17):
And one of the things that really annoys me, and
I keep speaking on it because it's like he keeps
telling me, like you're going to be the spoke person
of this is. I hate when people say, like, well,
God wouldn't use that. God doesn't do that. Don't ever
try to say that, because the problem is is that
you're not God. He operates outside of our mental capacity,

(02:00:37):
time space, you name it. He will use anything, in
everything that he decides to use in order to pull
that person to him. You don't call God, you don't
get you know, accept him into your life. You are
called by him, and whatever he decides to use to
get you there is whatever he decides. And so for
people that say that, it is so disrespectful to even

(02:01:01):
think that you would be on the same level as
him to be able to speak for him like you're
his sidekick or something right and interesting like I don't
know if that's if anything really agitates me that is it.
Because I've heard people, you know, even from listening, you know,
people hearing my testiment and they're.

Speaker 3 (02:01:17):
Like, oh, God doesn't use YouTube, stop it he use Exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
It's like you need to be quiet, exactly. It's like,
this is why you're a human and you're not the
same with God because you don't have the capacity to
see you know, the past, present, and future. And it's
even the same concept of like you know when people
mess up and you know they sin or whatever, and

(02:01:46):
I tell them all the time, I'm like, stop beating
yourself up. Because if God didn't if God knew like
you weren't going to be able to pull out of this,
if he knew at the end of the day that
you were just going to go backwards, give up whatever,
he would have never chose you right. So it's like,
don't you understand that, Like if if he decided to

(02:02:08):
pick you right, and he and he decided that I'm
going to choose this person, don't you think that he
would know all the possible outcomes that could go wrong
and happen in your lifetime or all the dumb decisions
you could make. Don't you think that's already been factored in? Right,
So it's like, stop beating yourself up, pick yourself up, apologize, repent,

(02:02:30):
and keep going. There's no sense in wallowing in it.
He already knew you were going to be retarded and
doubt it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
He knows you. He made you right, so.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
He didn't know that you were gonna go mess up
and do that. He's already factored that, and he knew
like here she goes.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
I mean, it's like.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
It's like you know you have we he understood, you know,
he gave us free will, so he knows that we
have there's many different options that we can pick.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:02:58):
What he does know is that like, okay, if they
do these options and this is where their life leads,
this is how I can use this later.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
Amen.

Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
Yeah, Like honestly, I have I asked God multiple times,
like why didn't you just save me when I was twenty?
If you knew that I was going to choose you,
why didn't you save me? Like when I was twenty,
why didn't you save me at this time? And you
know what he told The answer was, he said, because

(02:03:31):
I knew you could do everything that you went through.
I knew it wouldn't break you. And he said, and
because you've been through ever so many different experiences, he said,
you have the ability to speak to anyone and relate
to them on so many levels that he said, you

(02:03:53):
will be able to bring people to me by just that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
And so I shut up and was like that's super cool,
all right, But yeah, I asked him because I was
kind of just like, why didn't you save me? You know,
like I could have by passed so many experiences. I mean,
because there's there's a lot more to my story. This
is only the like a lot of it's gonna come
out in my book cause I'm going to tell some

(02:04:18):
of the crazy stories because like I've faced death multiple times.
I got shot. What, Yeah, I got shot like about
seven years ago, Like yeah, I think it's it's it's
probably been more than that. Yeah, I got shot. It
was like, this was so crazy because I didn't get

(02:04:40):
shot by somebody I knew or something like that. It
was like two gang members fighting and this person pulling
out a gun and shooting, but yet it hit me.
And what was crazy is right before like the person
started shooting and this was around like the fourth of July.
So I didn't register it as bullets, you know, a gunshot.

(02:05:01):
I just was like thinking of a firework. But what
was crazy is at the time that the first shot
hit was going off. So this is why I said,
but God is with you no matter what you're doing.
I heard within me that said duck down, and I did.
And a bullet literally the police, there's a police report

(02:05:23):
in everything therajectory of this bullet that came and went
into this wall of a doctor's office, a cement wall
across the street from where the car was that I
was getting into. If I would not have ducked at
that time, the bullet would have struck me in the head.

Speaker 3 (02:05:38):
Whoa.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
Instead, the second bullet hit me in the.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
Back of my leg whow.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
And it was like a throw and through at that.
So I have no damage. I don't limp, none of that.
It was like through the back of my calf, out
the side of my leg and it touched nothing. And
it was a twenty two bullet, which normally they hit.
If they hit anything, they ricochet and will take out
all kinds of stuff or kill you.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:06:02):
And even when I was at the hospital and they
pulled it out, Like they didn't pull the bullet out.
They knew what it was because they collected the bullets.
But when the doctor even told me, he said, you
are super lucky. He was like, if that bullet would
have hit your bone in your leg, it would have
went up into your body and just tore up whatever

(02:06:23):
was in its path. Yeah. So, like, there's a lot
of times that I owe God literally literally when people
ask me, if anyone wants to ask me, like why
do you, like, why do you believe in Jesus? Why
do you serve Him? And the only thing I can
tell people is I literally owe him my life. Wow,

(02:06:44):
in more ways than one. And so no matter what,
I have to finish out this life, this journey with him.

Speaker 3 (02:06:54):
Amen.

Speaker 5 (02:06:54):
Not to mention, I also have made multiple of multiple
times I have like made multiple different facts with Him
in regards to you know, telling him whatever you know,
whatever you see fit to use me for use me.

(02:07:15):
Don't ever make promises to God unless you intend to
keep them, because He does.

Speaker 7 (02:07:19):
Come back to collect because like I forgot, I remember
you said this, I'm like.

Speaker 5 (02:07:26):
But yes, I've made lots of lots of promises to
God and like and and and made lots of agreements
with them, like if you're if you're you know, if
you use me in this way, if you allow me
to help people, like this is what I'll do and
I'll serve you the rest of my life. And I
wouldn't change it for the world. I don't care if
people believe me or not, Like I can honestly say
my life is amazing, don't you know, don't get me wrong,

(02:07:49):
Like if you if if you've been called by God
since birth, the one thing that's gonna happen is that
you're all your your spiritual warfare is is heightened and
it's on like a hundred. You are constantly going to
be attacked because you are a weapon. You're a weapon
in the in the kingdom of darkness, and so Satan

(02:08:10):
hates you. And the more strength you get, the more
training you get from God, the more you spend time
with God, and he decides it's time, because he'll tell
you when it's time, when it's time to walk in
your full purpose. He will tell you, and you become
a target. But it's amazing, Like I wouldn't change it
for the world, Like it's amazing, Like I started to

(02:08:33):
have open visions. God showed me that the spirit of
Mammon had been attached to me, like for as long
as I can remember, like he could remember, and he
basically was like he used. A friend of mine gave
me this book and I was reading this book and
basically there it was talking about like if you I

(02:08:54):
was never like I always had a misunderstanding that the
spirit of Mammon was like about greed, but it's also
about having the mentality of black like I can't do
this because I don't have enough money, I can't do this,
and not trusting God. And basically this person who wrote
the book said, you know, if you if you are
saying that you have faith and you trust God for everything,

(02:09:15):
but you don't won't trust him to provide for you,
then it's like having no faith at all. And that
broke me because I had asked God a long time ago,
like why did you why do you use me? And
he told me multiple times, your faith is like no other.
And so when I read this that I had no
like God had told me that my faith was like
no other. But then I'm like, I can't I'm not
trusting him to take care of me. That broke my heart,

(02:09:36):
and I immediately like repented and renounced the spirit of
Mammon and started crying. And then I it was like
a whole thing. I just it literally hurt my heart.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
And.

Speaker 5 (02:09:46):
I started praying to God and I went into like
my prayer room and just was like apologizing and worshiping
and everything. And the next day I was I walk
every morning because I don't know why, but when I'm
outside in the mornings, when it's like dark, nobody's around,
it's very quiet. I pray and I talk to God,
and I get that's when the Holy Spirit literally talks

(02:10:07):
to me the most. And so I was outside and
I was praying and walking, and all of a sudden,
I literally literally can see that. You know, I'm walking,
so obviously I can see what's around me, but I
also was I could have I had a clear vision
in my mind, and it was like I was in
two places at once, but it was mirroring the the

(02:10:31):
physical realm. And so like I'm walking down the street,
I can see like houses, there's a school next to me,
and then you know, the street in front of me
and like poles across the street. But then in the
other vision, I'm on this bufflestone path and it's all
the whole thing is bright light like yellow, his white
bowl like and I'm keen uphill and I'm walking Shane

(02:10:52):
are falling off my arms and then I heard this
is the last strunghold that needed to be broken. Wow,
and right, and then after after that, crazy stuff happens.
So like God drips me of everything, like like everything,
like all money, and he's like, you're gonna like literally
train and learn to depend on me. And like my

(02:11:12):
husband at one point in time had like two dollar
bills and he gave me one and he was like,
put in your wallet because then you'll never be broke.
And I forgot about it, right, No, this is so crazy.
I forgot about it. It was like and it's in
like a wallet that you know, your cell phone case
type wallet type thing. So I take it with me
on my walks and like I'm walking one day, I
round the corner and at the bus stop there's this

(02:11:33):
homeless person and this is like I'm going through like
my wilderness of money, like I'm draw, I'm broke, I
have nothing, And as I walk past, and I get like,
I don't know, probably like five feet from him and
the Holy Spirit says give him that, give him the money,
and I'm like, what money? Like I have, He's like
the two dollars bill in your in your wallet and

(02:11:55):
I'm like oh. So then I said, okay, I'm gonna
walk back all the way around because I didn't want
to turn around for whatever reason. So I'm like okay.
So I walk all the way around the path that
I'm walking and I come back and as I'm getting
close to this person, there's like a man with his
walking his dog and a woman crossing the street with
her child, and I hear the Holy spirits say stop,

(02:12:15):
so I stop, and he says, this is not meant
for anyone to see. So I waited for the man
to cross the woman to go her way, and then
I stop in front of this homeless person and I
hand him the two dollar bill and he just looks
at it like almost like it's for him, and then
I was like, I was like, I don't know, and
then I asked like, do you want me to say

(02:12:36):
something to him? And the Holy Spirit didn't answer me.
So I didn't say anything because I had no instructions.
So I just handed them the two dollar bill and
I kept walking and I went home. I can kid
you not. I get in my prayer room. My friend
who God allowed me to meet months ago, she calls
me and she says, girl, I've been God woke me
up at two way m and told me to start

(02:12:59):
praying for you. Like what she's like. And then he
told me you need to call Carla because she's struggling.
What she said, what's been going on? And I'm telling her, girl,
I got bills, da da da, And I'm just like
telling her and I said and then he, I said,
the Holy Spirit had me give this man two dollars.
And she said, do you know what you just did?

(02:13:19):
She said, you just sewed a seed when you were
in lack, when you had nothing, you were willing to
still give this man what you last had. She said,
it's like the woman in the Bible who had barely
nothing compared to what everybody else was giving, but she
was willing to do that. She was willing to give
her last. And she said, that's what he was the

(02:13:40):
theme you do. She said that was a test of faith.
She's like, and now she's like, watch what happened? Yeah,
And I was just like, oh, I got off the
phone with her, and like I started thinking about it
because I'm like, wait, he had her wake up at
two o'clock and then I only had a two dollars
and right, and then she sent me this breakdown of

(02:14:04):
the number two and like what it means spiritually? Oh yeah,
so she okay, So let me tell you her dude.

Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
She has.

Speaker 5 (02:14:10):
God speaks to her in numbers. He gives her specific numbers,
and when she looks them up, like through the Bible
and stuff, she will write up with like the scriptures
and stuff like what he's me like what he wants
the person if it's for somebody, like what he's asking
for you to like sit and talk with him about
or whatever. So she's not the only one that I've

(02:14:32):
met that operates that way.

Speaker 3 (02:14:34):
That's cool. That's sort of like a mathematical gift.

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
Yeah, Like it's like numbers, so like like you know,
it'll be like random, you know, different numbers, and it's
not like a selection of like crazy numbers or something.
But it's just like certain things that he'll have she'll get,
like certain numbers, go to like the scriptures and stuff,
ask him. Because she sits, she gets up really early,
like four am. And sits with God and stuff like that.

(02:14:59):
So but like, yeah, I've met people that are seers
prophetic gifts, I think, uh, like uh, people who operate
with numbers, people who travel to like the have seen
heaven and Hell multiple times that God has brought them
to that. It was funny because when I started going
to church, you know, they were talking about like, oh,

(02:15:21):
you know, the only gifts that are alive are the
gifts of like teaching and pastorial and like organization. I'm
like oh, And I was sitting there like okay. So
it was almost something I believed at my early walk.
So I'm like okay, and they're saying, like all the
other gifts are dead. Well, then when I started operating

(02:15:42):
in dreams, visions and all this stuff, I'm like, well,
y'all have it. I'm like, no, the only reason why
you're teaching this is because you don't have it, right,
because if you had it, you'd be like there's no way, right.
And So, but what's crazy is I will say this
to the like, when God gives you gifts, they're not
for you. Like the one thing about it is I

(02:16:03):
can I can fix anybody else's problems. I can break
things off of people pray for them, but I cannot
do it for myself. And one time I asked God, like,
why can't I just do this stuff for myself, Like
why don't I do prophetic messages and all of this,
And he said, because then you would think it was
you who has the power. He said that this is
the reason because he said, while I give you the

(02:16:25):
power to help others, he said, you have to come
back to the power that's Me in order to help you.
And so that's how it operates, Like He has very
strict rules and guidelines that like at least for me,
where it's like I'm like, oh that makes sense, and
so yeah, I can't there's nothing that I can do

(02:16:46):
in my li you know. I can pray over things
in my life and don't get me wrong, like I
do and I ask Him for things. But like when
it comes to like really you know, like the spiritual
warfare that comes against me and things like that, like
I have to go to God and I have to
pray and I have to do, you know, the things
that I normally do anyway, and I have to ask him.
And it's as simple as that. Like people act like,

(02:17:08):
you know, God is like this person or thing that's
like it's so far away, you know I have to do,
you know, I can't ask him. It's like I have
conversations with him all the time, and like there are
there was times when, especially in my early walk, where
people would anger me and I would literally go in
the bathroom and be like, Okay, look Jesus, if you

(02:17:29):
don't help me, I'm going to punch the dude in
his throat. And this is exactly what I said. I
wasn't like, I'm like, look at you. I said, you
made me, you know how my personality? You know how
I am like, I'm gonna need you to step in
or I'm going to karate to chalk the dude in
his throat. And then I would sit in the bathroom

(02:17:51):
for like maybe five ten minutes and I all of
the anger would go away and I would have this
peace come over me and then I'd go out and
I'd be Wow. But that's how I talk to God.
Like with everything, I'm just like, if you, if you like,
stop treating him like he doesn't know you. It's like
he wants this relationship where you talk to him about everything,
and it's everything. It's like, stop acting like he doesn't

(02:18:14):
see what you're doing right.

Speaker 3 (02:18:15):
Stop even if you know it's like.

Speaker 5 (02:18:18):
If you're if you're sinning, then tell him I have
a problem sinning. Stop thinking that you can fix it.
Like if you just went to him and said, look,
I can't break this, I'm battling this. I need you
to take this from me. He won't step in and
do it. You just have to let go and stop
thinking that you can control everything. And that's what he

(02:18:39):
really broke me up, was the sense of controlling and
giving that up and saying, you know what, I don't
control anything, but God does. And so you know what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna have this relationship with God.
I'm gonna put all my faith in everything in him
because I know that he's gonna do it for me.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Amen.

Speaker 5 (02:18:59):
And he became my my own personal weapon, and I
became part of Sindom, but he became the weapon in
my life. And it's interesting because you know, but people,
you know, when people ask me like, well, why do
you believe in God? And I'm like, because if the
people who knew me, and there's lots of people who
used to know me, like back that I ran around
with and stuff like that. Even my I'm my own

(02:19:20):
parents who knew me and they know even my kids.
But everybody who used to know me and they know
me now, they're like, you're a completely different person.

Speaker 3 (02:19:32):
Like and that's a walking testimony right there.

Speaker 5 (02:19:35):
Yeah, you're not the same person. Like I I had
a friend that like, we did a lot of dirt
together and I invited out a church with me, and
I hadn't talked to her in a couple of years.
And when we she came over to my house and
I was helping her with a website and she ended
up going to church with me, and even she said

(02:19:56):
she was like, you know, he was like, you're literally
not the same person. And I was like, oh, I know,
And that's right. And that's the one thing that like
God has always shown me is like everything that you
do and who you are, once you are saved, you
become this walking testimony to other people, and like it

(02:20:20):
gives people that hope that like if he did that
to her, then he would do it for me. And
that's how I feel. I'm like, if if people knew
who I was back in the day, if God will
save me.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
Yeah, anyone amen? Oh yeah, well, Carla, how could people
get a hold of you, because I mean, this is
this has been amazing, and I'm sure other people want
to interview you as well and get a hold of you.
And plus you have some books out right.

Speaker 5 (02:20:51):
Yes, so all of my books are on my website
and you just go to ww dot Harla callan Ministries
dot com. My social media is under Carlic Callen Ministries
as well. I have Facebook, Instagram, threads, and TikTok. My
podcasts are on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, and then also

(02:21:20):
the Deliverance Diaries podcast is also on YouTube. And then
so yeah, if you go to my website you can
pretty much get a hold of me. If you have
Prairie quests, you can send them to me. Through there,
you can buy my books. I have I design faith
based t shirts. I have a line out right now
of six T shirts that the proceeds are going to

(02:21:41):
two different charities, so one for human trafficking and then
the other one for in Seattle, a woman's drug rehabilitation
program for women and children who are homeless and coming
out of addiction. So yeah, so and then if you
like all of my podcasts that's on my website, So

(02:22:04):
if you click the link, it'll send you to Spotify
or wherever. But yeah, if you if you go on
my website, you can pretty much find everything I'm up
to the things that I do, it's all over there.
And I do meet with people, like I've had people
reach out to me that have questions about whatever. I
am a very hands on person. I don't you know.

(02:22:25):
I'm never gonna be too big or too good to
speak with people because that's part of the gift that
God gave me. I just I love talking to people.
I love speaking life into them and giving them encouragement
and you know, helping them through this journey. It was
a promise that I made to God. When he pulls
me out is I told him the time that I

(02:22:46):
spent with him alone was very lonely and I couldn't talk,
you know, there was no one to share it with.
And I made a pact with him and I said,
you know, I don't ever want anyone ever to have
to do this alone because it's really hard. And I said,
so I want to walk with people through their journeys.
And so he's holding me to that promise and that's

(02:23:09):
ass And I do like if you reach out to me,
I will literally meet with you via video and with
the phone. You're not gonna get an assistant or something
like that. You're gonna speak to me directly.

Speaker 3 (02:23:22):
Oh. I like that. Yeah, that's that's good. That's really good.
And once again, that website is www dot Carla Kallenministries
dot com. That's Carla with a K and Kalen with
a C. So uh and and again all these will
be on the show notes, so check that out on
the show notes. Uh. Well, Carl, I want to say

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we're a prayer and it's been awesome meeting you. Yeah, man,
this has been great. Dere Jesus, we just thank you
for Carla and her ministries that you've given her. And
it's for for you, but Lord, you gave her some
awesome gifts, and each one of us could have a
gift that you give to us. All we need to
do is ask and you will show us in your time.

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We just thank you that. Lord. Then, no matter what
anybody has gone through, maybe they're listening today and they're
hearing that this person was a witch and made covens
and all sorts of things, and maybe they think they
can't get out of it, but they can because that's
a lie of the devil. But Lord, you all all

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they have to do is call out your name Jesus,
and you will break that and they would come into
a new life with Jesus Christ and have eternal life
with you. And just amazing. Let me thank you for
your bloodshed on the cross that you shed for all
of us. And all we have to do is believe
in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

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We thank you for the free gift of salvation. Lord.
We just thank you for Carla today and her awesome,
awesome testimony and may go out to them. So many
people that need to hear it, and you know who
they need who that is. We just thank you for
today in this interview in Jesus name. Amen, Amen, hey man,

(02:25:16):
thank you Carlo so much. We got to do another
session at some point, for sure. I really enjoyed this
and it's an eye opener for so many and especially
for the normal church, if you will, So there you go. Awesome, awesome,
Well God bless you guys, and remember be in this world,
but not of this world.

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Speaker 9 (02:27:06):
SI. So know that my friends were so slightly where
to go we were said, yes, shout, I think it's

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done to go out at number siss s.

Speaker 5 (02:28:37):
J J. Thank you for listening.

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called Eternal Element. The song is called Can I Be
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