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June 9, 2025 • 73 mins
Fitzy promised that there will be changes. What should he do this offseason?

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Happy Devils Sunday.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
This is the Let's Go Devis Podcast Sunday edition, coming
back from our big hiatus. Yeah, streaming live on Facebook Live,
YouTube Live, x live and switch on the Let's Go
Devil's network as the Devils are about honest to revamp

(00:53):
the team.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, saying that about a few weeks. You know, we
got lots to talk about. Catch up on guys. Have
you been.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I haven't talked to any of you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, sorry for you got to ignore us all Sam Wu.
I mean geez, we tried to talk to you and
you're just.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Like, I can't do it, can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm too important yet right Oh okay, yeah, yeah, beer
Bear will be with us shortly, you know, sure he will. Yeah. Yeah,
he vamped.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
He's so.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh man.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
But yeah, there's actually.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Been a lot of news going on in the old
world of the New Jersey Devils. But it's glad, it's
it's good to be back here with everybody. Of course,
the the legend, the greatest hockey podcast producer in the world,
Sam I never take a shift off by God, King
of the Football calls wo and the only goalie in

(01:55):
the history of hockey to make eleven saves on ten
shots that short skuy over there. That's that's a Sam
Woo stat for you right there at Wow cheek o
resh during the playoff run. Eleven saves on ten shots
for shorts. Guy, if you find anyone with a better
record than that, please please let us know, because I
don't think that's a record is ever going to be broken.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I don't think so either. I think I got that
wrapped up.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot going on in the world.
Of course, We've got the the finals happening right now,
which are pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
We got the old Florida Panthers, a couple of couple
of old friends in the playoffs in the cup finals
here with the Panthers and the Oilanders, oiland the Oilanders, Yeah,
the Oilers.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
The Oilanders.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, the Panthers and the Oilanders up there in Edmontoners
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
I don't know, but yeah, Rico, Adam.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Henriek up there with the Oilers, and of course are
good our good friend, just for Boquist making his way
down there, uh in Florida with the Panthers, and I
I mean, can we count aj Greer as well? Even
though he was kind of more like, you know, every
now and then call up. Yeah, it was like two

(03:14):
year stint, like didn't really play a whole lot, but
we could consider him a former friend.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, how about VTech V Tech Panthers.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh that's right, almost forgot yeah, Vtex down there back
in a.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Stanley Cup champion.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I can look out whatever a Botchie grill he goes
to afterwards if they wind Lord.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I completely forget about Adam Henryk. But I've been I've
been pulling for v Tech because they always liked.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Him, and uh yeah I was. When I see old
number seventy out there on the ice.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
I'm like, oh, look at Jasper go.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Good for him because you know, he had those had
those flashes with with Jersey. Obviously, then he went up
to Boston and it didn't really work out there for
him either.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
But now he.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Seems to have really found a home in Florida. And
you know, sometimes it just takes a while for guys
to develop into the player that they're gonna be, you know.
And I don't think the Devils did anything wrong with
you know, letting him go and stuff like that same
thing with Boston, you know. So but I'm just I
am happy for jesspervocalist to see his success.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
You know, down there on the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
He's been he's been doing a hell of a job
and good for him.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, and he's he's at the point where he can
almost win a cup, so you know, it'd be good
for him to do that if v Tech wins. You know,
if they win, VTech also wins, Adam Henry win a cup.
It's so we got a lot of former devils to
at least pick from to be happy for. No matter
who wins, I'm kind of torn on who I actually
want to win. I mean, it's so far the first

(04:51):
two games and you know have been fun to watch. Yeah,
it's it's Stanley Cup finals and this is the last
little bit of hockey we have until you know, we
get to September and then Bran and I have to
go back to work at that point and it's just
a year. Oh man.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yeah, I know for you stay anything. If we don't work,
we don't get paid.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So there's that that's true as well.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Summer and the Yeah, yeah, I've been having technical That's.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
How most jobs are, by the way, if you don't work,
you don't get Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
But I can't.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Yeah, no kidding, but I hate the narrative of like,
you guys get summers off, then go become a teacher.
Then douchebags, if you want to, like sit there and
complain about oh, come and do my dumb job for
a month and then tell me you don't need a
summer off and then realize that you don't get paid
during the summer unless you allocate your little money that
you make into the summer where they just tax. The
heart of it, I stand on a soapbox and punch

(05:46):
anybody in the mouth of this one for the next
twenty five minutes. But I don't have the time to
do that. Hey, guys, how you doing educators?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Financial Advice by Beer baron a new podcast.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah don't, Yeah, don't, don't do it.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
And you're fired up the way.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
No, I'm no, I don't. I don't mean to come
in fired up. I'm just pissed up. My camera's not
working using a computer camera, which stupid computer camera. My
other computer is not working. It's given me problems that
it was working. Fine, I give it, gave it a
little test run before it was working fine, and I
sit down and it's not connecting, and I'm just annoyed.
But good to see you guys. I haven't been on

(06:25):
here in a.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
While, so none of us have, I know, two weeks ago,
whatever it was, I don't know. Yeah, it's it's good
to be back.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well, we were obviously we were going to do a
show last week, but I'll call myself out on that.
I wasn't prepared to, uh, come on here and talk
because there is a lot of there is a lot
of news going around for these New Jersey Devils, and
I definitely wanted to be a little bit more prepped
in the idea that we got ourselves a new assistant

(06:55):
coach who might be the one that can, you know,
really put this team over the edge defensively. Now, this
whole season was like a reformation project for the New
Jersey Devils under Sheldon Keith, and the defensive side of
this of their game increased at like two hundredfold, Like

(07:20):
they were so much better on the defensive side of
the game. You look at some players like a Jack Hughes,
you look at players like a Timo Meyer who were
so far down the ranks on the defensive metrics, and
they literally shot up into like the top five percentile

(07:42):
in the league where Jack Hughes becomes a mainstay on
the penalty kill this year. Timo Meyer, Yeah, we can
all talk about, oh, the goals didn't go in as
much as we were hoping for, but when you look
at his all around stats, holy hell, the guy still
has a solid year and his production on the defensive

(08:04):
side when he's out there on the ice, the.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Other teams are not scoring.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
It's not like he's coming in here with like a
minus fifty or something like that like he is. If
you look at the defensive metrics, I know Samu doesn't
like doing that, but just looking at some of them,
he jumped. I think the number was like from the
eighty fourth percentile up into like the third percentile in
the league defensively, Like that is some pretty amazing statistics.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Now that's just with Sheldon keep system.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Now you're bringing in Shaw, who is known to be
a players coach who explained things really well. Players love
working with him. He's done the hows and the whys
and not the you did this wrong. You know, he's
not afraid to be, you know, tight on the fundamentals

(08:57):
until the guys get there. But he gives them that
sort of that mindset of like, Okay, here's your knowledge,
now go and use it. And you look at the
run of defenseman that he has worked with who have soared.
You know, look at all that time in Saint Louis
Petrantla Shattonkirk, Cole, Pollock, Wrensky and Columbus.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Columbus went from the one of the most.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
By god awful defensive teams in the league.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Shaw goes there.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
They jump up to second in the league in defense
with Seth Jones and Wrensky. Now, obviously once sew left,
Seth Jones had it didn't work out kind of the
same way without And who was the coach that was
in Vancouver when you know, obviously Quinn Hughes is gonna

(09:47):
Quinn Hughes, But who was the coach that was there
when he developed into a point per game defenseman.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That would be Shaw.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Who fixed Ristol Linen on the Flyers last year, who
was basically a healthy scratch.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
To going up into their top pairing defense, Like.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
This guy is going to pay so much dividends for
this team. When you look at a Seamus Casey. When
you look at a Shimon Nemets, when you look at
silly off coming up the big Russian kid.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
This at Luke Hughes by the way as well, this.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Guy is going to be so good and not a
little tid. But guess who coached Sheldon Keith to his
best run. Sheldon Keef got called up for forty nine games.
That was his biggest stint in the NHL. Guess who
his money league coach was during that time?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Sure, suaw, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
You guys are answering like true students over here with
with questions. You're answering my question with a question.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Be confident, damn it.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
If we're if we're acting like like true students, we
do asking to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, it's summertime, bait.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Wait ready, scotty, Scotty. This one example, what what are
we doing again? Why don't why don't we ever talk
about the new assistant coach?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, I don't get it? Yeah, why don't we ever
do that?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
That's there you go, there's there's there's two examples.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Bradshaw is going to be a key factor in this team,
you know, moving forward. And I had no idea about
the connection to Sheldon Keith, you know before he you know,
before he got hired, and yeah, the Flyers got Rick Tockett,
of course, but you look at a lot of those
Flyers blogs and everything like that, they are not happy

(11:50):
to see Bradshaw leave this team because of what he
turned around. And I mean, listen, the Flyers did not
have a good season. They were depleted and everything like that.
But even after Tortorella left, I seaw had a winning
record as the interim coach with that team.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
They did well at the end of the season. The
Flyers all of a sudden figured out how to play
at the end of the season and was like, oh man,
it makes you wonder if they had Shaw for you know,
a larger chunk of the season, what would happen. So
it's this is a good pickup for the Devils. You know,
this is going to be a really good pickup. You know.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
One of the things though, that I'm kind of curious
about is is if there's a worry that he's going
to only be here for a very short amount of time,
Like could this be Sheldon Keith throwing a friend an
old mentor a bone and being like Obviously, he has
the resume, he has a pedigree to get a job anywhere.

(12:51):
But is this Sheldon Keith going like, yeah, come here
for a year, you know, get everything kind of sorted
out over here, and then I'm sure that something will
open up. Do you think there's any kind of discord
that he might just be here for a short amount
of time and then leave for a possible head coaching job.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I mean, I think that's every assistant coach on every
team if they get a head coaching Yeah. Yeah, So
Shaw's had some interim coaching experience obviously with the Flyers,
I believe with the the Icelanders as well, but he's
made and in the minors, but he's mainly, you know,

(13:30):
worked as an assistant coach in the NHL for long
stretches of time too. I mean he was with Saint
Louis for you know a number of years there. So
I think that's something that can come up with any
assistant coach out there.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
But again, you have this factor.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Now of him and Sheldon Keith having that rapport, and
you have a young team with young defenseman that it's
gonna be very very nice to work with.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Over yes, over a number of years. Yeah, so hey,
that's every assistant coach.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
But I think he'll be here for at least a
couple of years.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, And you also have to consider this, you know,
you also have to consider this too, what he's coming
into to work with, you know, and the potential of
him and Sheldon Keith doing something great together versus just
stopping just a stepping stone too, you know, to become
a head coach, why not? Why not win a Cup
together with Sheldon Keef in New Jersey with the defensive

(14:30):
core we have, and then you go off on your own,
you know, to become your own because then you command
more money and you get a better job. Like you know,
Shaw's limitations with his experience maybe at you know, you know,
mid level, but he wins, he wins, wins a cup.
You know, Uh, it's got him.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Steven Angle had to go when there Brad shawshank redemption.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, on the defense, on the defensive side of things.
There we ain't gonna hopefully we're not climbing through the
rivers of Pooh to get out of our own way there.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
But still I like your your your reference.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Nice, nice, nice, nice.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
But he's he's a great he's a great hire. Uh,
it's a great start to the offseason, which we know
there's gonna be a lot of movement going on with
this team.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
The bottom six needs to be rebuilt.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
We got to figure out what the hell we're doing
with our goaltenders. I see a lot of people chiming
in about that on the old YouTube page over here.
Markstroom's not going anywhere. He's obviously your you're number one.
Jake the Snake performed very well last year. He has
said he wants to return. But you also have a
Nico Dawes that's there who many people believe could be

(15:49):
ready to be, you know, a backup goaltender in the NHL.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
That's a big decision for this team to make.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, what do they do?

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Do they bring a.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (16:03):
I'm sorry, no, no, no, I'm just saying it's a
you know, DAWs being the younger Allen coming in on
a one year deal. Is that something that floats your
boat and you give DAWs a little extra time to cook,
or or you waiting for you know, big Mic to
come through. But yeah, that's a very very interesting Sorry,

(16:23):
I like totally cut you. You were in such a
good flow. No, I messed you up, that's it. No, No,
I just I'm just hearing it, listening to what you're saying,
Like the goaltender situation, Like if you have if you
have Alan for a one year deal because you don't
feel that DAWs is capable of carrying a load in

(16:45):
case Markstrom goes down again, then okay, Like yeah, and
and listen, Markstrom Allen tandem was a great tandem. Allen
played really incredible and it's and you know, in that
stint of when Markstrom went down, Alan stepped it up.
Now the rest of the team didn't really step it up,
and there's a lot of games that they could have
easily won because Allen stood on his head. But yeah,

(17:08):
you know, it is what it is. But at the
same time, I'm not looking to give him a multi
year deal. I feel like a one year deal for
Allen might not be a bad idea. You roll that
tandem out again, you give you know, big Mic some
time to work on his game in college and or
the ahl At Yah, which I'm pretty sure he's going
back to college, and then Dawes. Listen, if anything happens,

(17:31):
you have DAWs in the background, who who is more
than capable of stepping in, as he's shown in the
past as well. So I feel like they have options here.
It just depends on what the cost is. Obviously the
low cost is going to be Dawes, I don't think
Allen's going to cost you an arm in a leg.
But like you said, he had he would.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Like what if what if someone that wants to give him,
you know, more than a one year deal? Do you
go and off? Do you say see you later?

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
You know, Sam Wu, we know you are the biggest
Jake the Snake fan uh in the world.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Vegas girl Scouts be damned.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, So you know what would your what would your
decision be? You know if someone if you're willing to
offer Jake Allen a one year deal, but someone comes
along and throws two or three.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Years at him?

Speaker 5 (18:26):
What what what do you think the devil's.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Fits you should do in that situation?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Give Jake a twenty year deal, lifetime deal?

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Lifetime Wow?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah? Have the true well d P H slash Bobby
Benia the day type can replace coalucks block in that
salary cap.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
That in the salary cap in the bottom.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, two fifty Jake the snake snake bitten cap Well,
I that's that's a very good question. I would give him.
I would I don't know if he would take it.

(19:13):
Uh one of those one year guaranteed second year team option.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, you throw an option at him, at him?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Okay, you know something like that. I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Here here's the Here lies the question. I think you're
gonna need three goaltenders going into the season because injuries happened.
Markstrom's one year older. Even Alan uh Nico Dawes filled
in very well.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
That time.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
So you know, I it worked out so well last
season that I would go with the three again. Okay,
you lock up Alan uh it may it may need
a two year deal, but who knows.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say very something similar to Sammy.
You're gonna need three goaltenders, especially when you have uh.
You know, Mark Strom is gonna be your out and outstarter.
He's in his mid thirties, so he's gonna need some
time that he's not playing going into this, you know,
going towards the tail end of the season. Uh, you

(20:36):
want someone in Jake Allen you can trust mark Strom
and Allen seem like they work really well together. I
don't know what their relationship is like off the ice,
but I think you're gonna have to start to work
DAWs in a little bit more and give him some
more of that of that that time so that you
know he's ready, because you don't want to find out
that Dawes is not ready if mark Strom goes down
with an injury this season and then you're scrambling. Plus,

(21:00):
you start looking at the at the list of goalies
who are UFA's coming up for for this summer, inexpensive
goaltend like free agent goaltenders m the only the only
one under a million is Alex Lyon. You know, you
have you have Riddich who is out there in uh

(21:25):
l A or James Rymer who is there in Buffalo.
But James Raymer is thirty seven, so he's he's older
than than Alan and mark Strom. You know, Ridditch is
is thirty two. You know he'll he'll be a million
bucks if you if you sign it for that or
you go for someone you're bringing, you know, I mean,
after that, you're you're looking at guys in the in

(21:47):
the two three million dollar range. So Jake Allen maybe
maybe one of your best bets. But at the same time,
Jake Allen is also pretty uh you know what a
desirable goaltender on this UFA list, so you got to
consider that as well. Like there's there's really only twelve
UFA goaltenders out here, and Jake Allen proves he could
still play, so he could also command some money out

(22:09):
on the market. But at his age too, he's going
to be very selective and where he goes because he
wants to win a cup. But I'm with Sam. I'm
with Sam. I say you you bring it back. You
you have a you have your one in Markstrom, and
you have your your two and your two A. As
far as your backup between Jake Allen and Nico Dawes

(22:32):
and you you know you're you're working Nico Dawes just
to make sure that he is ready.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Now, let me let me throw this out to you guys.
Nico Dawes is on a one way contract this year.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
So if you for some reason want to send him down,
you got to put him through waivers and I can
uh almost guarantee you he will not get through. Said yeah,
someone someone will claim him.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
With him, so with with with him being in r
f A, do you just rework his contract?

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Mm hmm. By the way, Jake Allen did win Jake
Allen did win the Stanley Cup with the Blues in
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Ah, always forget that.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah, it's I think it's another thing I forget. But
who cares?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, I think Bennington took over. But that's another thing
to keep in mind here. You know, if you resigned
Jake Allen, what are you gonna do with Nego DAWs?
You're going to keep him up and keep that roster
spot there for him instead of like some other players
forwards or defenseman, because if you sign Alan and you

(23:55):
expect him to play, you're gonna have to send DAWs
down and he's gonna.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Have to go through waivers and he's gonna get claimed.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
You don't have to send them down. I don't think
that works during I mean during the season, yes, but
not there not during the season, yes, no.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Not yeah, yeah, not at all.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
But at some point, if you're going to have just
two goaltenders, you know that's that's going to be part
of Yah.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yeah, no, that's one hundred percent true. And especially if
if God forbid, something happens again, if you find yourself
in a like a short term injury situation, then do
you leave Dodgs. See that's where it becomes like you
would leave Dodds in the AHL. You would bring up, well,
you'd have to get him there first. Well no, no, no,
I'm saying, if you start, if he starts the season,

(24:41):
if he starts the year in the AHL, and he's
he's in Utica.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
But he's not on a two way contract.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
I understand. But if you but I'm if I could
be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure he could
start the season in Utica. I don't know, I don't
know if I'm wrong about that, but yeah, I look
that up because I'm pretty sure he gets starting it
in the AHL. And if and what becomes the issue
is if you call him up at any point, If

(25:11):
you call him up, then you can't send him back
down without putting him through waivers. I think that's the loophole.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, I mean, because that's something to consider.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Tom is saying. Tom saying the same thing. DAWs can't
be in the AHL. He's on a one way contract.
I understand he's on a one way contract, But I I.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Think he's I think he's got to agree to go
down and then I think he would have to be
put on waivers. It's almost like a conditioning stint, you know,
like the players have to agree to be sent down there.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
So Ted love Ted loves Sam Bennett by the way, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
He loves Sam Bennett.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
But this is this is something to consider, you know,
given Markstrom's age, you know, we saw it last year
he got dinged up for a little bit. Do you
have that confidence in Nico Dawes just to say, hey,
Markstrom gets hurt and he misses, like what was it
about a month and a half he missed of the
season somewhere around there.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
I don't remember exactly was it. Was it just a
couple of weeks?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Because that's right, because we had the four Nations break
while he was injured.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Two okay, so let's let's say like four weeks.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Okay, If Jacob Markstrom has to miss four weeks, do
you guys have the confidence in Nico Dawes to take
the reins as that goaltender to you know, be the
rock for this team back there?

Speaker 6 (26:44):
Can I can I put a an asterist on that
because There's a couple of things that that I think
need to be kind of going on during that if
that were to happen. Number One, if the team under
Shaw defensively is is doing what they need to do,

(27:04):
then putting DAWs in isn't gonna be as hurtful as
you think. If the team is, if the team is
healthy in front of him, I think the team will
be okay. Do I think he's gonna win every single game, No,
But I feel like that they'll be better, better suited
than you know, the doomsday scenario of losing like a

(27:25):
playoff position or whatever it may be. If the offense
is clicking, and if the offense is cooking and doing
what they have to do, then that makes a difference too,
because then you don't rely on one nothing two nothing,
three nothing games or one nothing two nothing games really
or you know, like one goal games. You can have
a little bit of a team that has a little
bit more of an offensive push. So there's other things

(27:47):
that go into that. It's not just a factor of
like will Dawes be okay, because I think he could
be okay in front of like a healthy defensive core
that we have. I don't think he's gonna be Mark
Strom Okay. I think he'll just be okay. It'll be
So if there's a ten game stretch he wins, you.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Is he gonna be more okay than Alan?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
That's the question.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Do you think he'll be more okay if that happens
than Jake Allen? That's the That's that's the main question there.
So it has a backup in there every now and then. Cool,
But to have like.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
A fight, Yeah, and I totally get what you're trying
to say, Like so Alan, to me, I think would
be the better option, But the only thing that makes
me nervous is just durability is the age. Now, if
if Alan starts wearing down and he's letting in two

(28:43):
three goals a game, it starts to become an issue
things like that, Like, so this is why we don't
get paid the money? Uh, you know that Fitzgerald gets paid.
Because this is not a question for a bunch of
knuckleheads sit around debating if there should be three goalies
on this as the.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Perfect question for a bunch of knuckle heads. What are
you talking about?

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Because my brain isn't big enough to process the informations
over here.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Come on, this is the perfect questions.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course, no, yeah, I dude,
To be honest with you, it's like, these are the
things that going into this offseason, there's going to be
a lot of different Uh, the bottom six that you
brought up before, like the goaltending situation. I think to
be completely transparent about it, the goaltending situation, I feel like,
if you go with Allen, you'll be fine, and if

(29:32):
you go with Dawes, it will be fine. My only
question is how many If you do go with Alan,
how long is the term?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Like?

Speaker 6 (29:39):
How long is how big of a contract is he getting?
Is he getting one point two, one point five to
two point one, whatever the heck it is? How many
years is it going to be? What is the end
goal of that? Are you waiting for?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is big Mike?

Speaker 6 (29:51):
The answer is that what you're waiting for? But that's
I think everybody's you know, golden child right now is
the hope and aspirations they have and big mic. So
either way, it's fine. It just depends on what it
really boils down to, is the money in the term,
because I don't know if I want to give Alan
a two year deal. I like. I like Sam's idea

(30:12):
of giving him like the one with the club option
on on the second year.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
I don't know if they do that in NHL club option.
But listen, if you go with dolls, you go dogs.
I feel like the bottom six And yes, I will
throw a bowe to our good friend Ted here right now.
Would I like a Sam Bennett on his team? You're
damn straight, I would like Sam Bennett on his team.
Do I want Sam Bennett at over six five? No? No,

(30:43):
that's another guy. Sam Bennett. Hell yeah, dude to monster
and he could he could score, he could punch you
in the mouth. He's a bulldozer when he needs to be.
He's got proven pedigree in the playoffs. Now he is
one of those guys that you know strikesphere and into
other forwards, other defenseman. So is it is it cool
to have like a Sam Bennett?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Hell yeah? It is?

Speaker 6 (31:05):
At what costs though, because guess what if they win
a Cup again this year, that cost is gonna go up.
And guess what happens with a lot of those contrasts,
Andre Pilott is it doesn't look good in the long run.
So if you want to get into the Sam Bennett contest, cool,
but do not overpay for that dude. Same thing with

(31:27):
Marshan Marshaan. Somebody was saying before Marshan's gonna get paid. No,
he's not the dude. It's like thirty eight years old.
They're thirty nine years old. He's not gonna get paid
a huge contract.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
He might get paid for like a year or two.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
He'll get for like a year or two, but he's
not gonna get no like four or five year deal,
which you know Sam Bennett's gonna be looking for.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
And I don't know if you guys remember not we
got that guy.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Named Luke Hughes on the team who's gonna get himself
a pretty pretty nice contract that's gonna eat up basically
half of the salary that we have available right now.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
But we got a number.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
There are questions over here.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I mean, obviously we know Tuna is gone, thank you,
Thomas Tatar. You didn't have the greatest season in your
comeback here, but we do know the dividends you paid
in the locker room and you're run before that with
Mercer and Nico. But I think it was a smart move.
It was it was time to part the ways. There,

(32:21):
Tuna decided to sign up in Switzerland.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
He's over there now.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
So he will be playing for the in the Swiss
League come next year, which I think is a plus
side for the Devils. You know, what did he did
he even break? I don't even think he broke twenty
points last year.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
You know, like I don't think he broke four. I
think he had four goals.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
It was it wasn't pretty that he was like right
around there. Yeah, it must have been like right around there.
I mean, we just we needed more output from him.
But you look at a Nate Bastion, probably not coming back.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
You look at Darren.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, Darren Sprong who came in here, you know, probably
not coming back.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Does do you bring?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
I mean Sprong? Also, he's only twenty years old. I
think the big one. You know, people are gonna be
wondering about his Curtis Lazar. He had a very down season.
Now granted he you know, you find out once the
season was wrapped up he was basically playing injured the
entire year. You can probably get Curtis Lazar on a
rather cheap contract. He could be a fourth line center

(33:30):
there he is thirty years old.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Do you do you bring I I mean, I'm gonna
say Bastian No, Curtis Lazar would be.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I mean, Dowling was a good a good like side
you know, kind of extra player to have there.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
He he didn't really.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Cost any like maybe he didn't cause any like major
issues on the ice, but you know, the bottom six
was a bit of a hole there, you know, it
was a bit of a black hole. So Dowling, you know,
might be a good guy to bounce back and forth
between the AHL. He'll be thirty five next year. But
to me, you know, Cody Glass is coming back. He's

(34:10):
an RFA. The two big ones for me are Kurtis
Lazar and Brian Dumalin. Those are your two big UFAs,
you know, other than Jake Allen that I think you
really have to look into and say, hey, what are
we going to do here with these two guys. So
I turn it over to you, our our armchair gms.

(34:33):
You know, Lazar, Dumalen. Do either of those names excite
you in the idea of bringing back.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
For next year? Dumalen yes, Lazer no.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, I think I think Dumalin earned his earned his
way into another another go with this team, especially at
the very end of that round against Carolina, he turned
into the the defensive stallwart that we needed at the time,
even though it really wasn't very good. Uh, you know,
the the outcome there. But he's definitely earned his chance.

(35:13):
I think, you know, if if there's room for Lazaar, great,
but uh, if if Lazarre were to go, I don't
think it would be like I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Well, now here's my question for you, because if you
bring Dumlin back, that gives you what eight nine defenseman
You got Dougie, you got Peshi, you got Dylan, you
got Covid Savage, you got Siegenthaler.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Okay, there's five already.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I don't think Luke ques is going back down to
the Ahl only he was ever there.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Actually, so there's six.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
So there's there's never he's never been they never plus
and Emets plus Casey. And then if you bring Duomalin
in as well, that's nine defencemen that you have there.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Is it wise to bring Dumalin back?

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Well, here we go.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
M Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
The one of the reasons you bring him back is
due to a possible trade, So keep keep your your
finger on that pulse because there's there's a possibility that
you could see And I don't want to see any
of these guys going. I hate when we talk about
trades because people get so uh fired up on you know, platform.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Talk to me, Come on, you know what they're talking about.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
So if you were to make a trade and you
got rid of there's.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
That screams to me.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
And and I've said it all along that I don't
think he's going to finish his contract in the Devil's uniform.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I think we all know who we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Here.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Are you talking the nine million dollar man?

Speaker 4 (37:03):
No, I don't think he's going anywhere now after that
performance in the playoffs last year.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
No, I think I was gonna stay because after the
performance in the playoffs, I feel like he's gonna be here.
But you feel like Dougie Hamilton's gonna get traded at
some point.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
That contract is just is nine million dollars for another
three years. It's gonna be something that's hard to move,
but we're gonna mean that.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
We're definitely got to eat part of it. But with
the emergence of Luke Hughes. I mean, that's.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Really Dougie's position right there, is that number one offensive
threat on the defensive side.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Yeah, you know, and we're looking.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
If we're looking to bolster up that bottom six, and
we have to sign Old Luke, one of those contracts
has gotta.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Go, you know. Hmm.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
So Brett Petchy's not going anywhere, Dylan is only here
for two more years. Covid Savitch and seekin Dollar they
might be more a track active to other teams because
they're less expensive. But you know, that Dougie nine million
dollar deal every year is just it eat a.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Lot of.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
It does.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
And it's sad because he has become like one of
the faces of the franchise they use him for.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
No, absolutely, it's a very Adam not.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
It's just business, all right, Dougie.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
It's not personal. I know, it's not not personal. I
want to say, it's it's become like that. Remember Adam
Henrik had that uh that gala for like the No
Shape November and then like two days later he got
freaking traded that Like it's just it's gonna be like
something like that where Dougie is gonna be They're gonna

(38:44):
be like, oh, the administrator is back and it's gonna
be like the Dougie Hamilton thing, and they're talking about it,
and then like two days later they're gonna be like
he's gone. So I love Dougie Hamilton. I love what
he's done done for this team. He you know, he
was a big name that came to this team when
the team was terrible, was still on the out, and

(39:06):
he did something for this team that a lot of
people don't understand, is he made he made well yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
He made an attractive place for other people. Whether whether
people want to admit that or not. He uh, he
made it an attractive place for other people because he

(39:26):
he said, look, I'm a big name at the time.
I'm a big name. He was the biggest name defensively
at the time, and he decided to go here, which
there was a lot of times where a lot of
big name players opted to go somewhere else where they
had an opportunity, you know, r P Johnny Hockey, But
that was one of those where he was like, I'll

(39:48):
go to Columbus instead of New Jersey. So, you know,
Dougie Hamilton really, I really think he brought a lot
of credence to that, So there there's a there's that
part of it. He's also had, you know, he's been
the face of this. He's been a great ambassador for
the New Jersey Devils. And that's another thing. A lot
of the off the ice stuff, Dougie has been incredible,

(40:09):
absolutely incredible. So those things, like those intangibles, like you
can't take it away from him because like he has
contributed to this team on and off the ice. On
the ice and when healthy, Dougie has you know, that
playoff run that they had losing in the second round
to the Hurricanes a couple of years ago, Douggie Hamilton

(40:29):
was a huge, huge reason that team was where they
were and a huge huge reason if you remember uh
scoring the overtime goal against the Rangers in the first round. Yep,
I believe that was Game three. So doug like Dougie.
Dougie still has value. It's basically what I'm absolutely the long,
long windedness this. So he still has value where if

(40:51):
they want to try to move him, yes, you might
have to retain some of that contract, but I don't
think you're not gonna have to eat as much as
you think you're probably gonna have to You're gonna probably
have to package him with with a young prospect and
or picks or whatever to sweeten the pot to you know,
maybe have somebody take the whole deal. You could send

(41:12):
them to a place like San Jose, which would be
great to bring back somebody in return. If you know
who I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
He isn't playing San Jose anymore.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
Oh god, no, he got traded to the Otawa. Uh oh, Ottawa.
That's right. Well, I mean you could always send him
to Ottawa for one.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Braid.

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(42:02):
here for life anyway. But yeah, so that long wented,
long windedness of me saying that it's like Dougie does
have value. I wouldn't want to see him go. But
at the same time, you're one hundred percent right. That
nine million dollars is a huge, huge cap hit, and
there's money that could be moved other into other places
that would be helpful. Also, uh, Andre Pilott, I feel

(42:26):
like that that train has run to the station and
has been put into the uh put into the dock
because Ben oh Man, like you keep hoping. You're like, hey,
we get into the playoffs, buddy, like, this is your
time to shine, right, And he's like, eh, I mean
last year he was playing pretty good hockey, and I
mean that he plays good with Jack and everything. But
it's just.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
For that much, Buddy, I think we can.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Get other guys to do what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
And I hear there is a certain young Russian player
who is making his way over to the States who
has already been posting about how excited he is.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
To be playing with one Jack Hughes.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
So you're gonna throw that part into the equation as well.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Kid comes over, he's like sleeping in his bed.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
What are you doing, Jacques, Jack, you take it job?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Jaqu's jackus Jaques. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
So I mean there's that part of it as well.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
His contract obviously is a.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Little bit longer.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I don't know, it might be wiser reading into like
some of the NHL rules and stuff like that to
wait one more year. If the Devils are going to
try and buy him out, I think obviously FITZI would probably.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Be trying to shop him and trade him along with
you know.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Eric Hala as well, who had a very.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Very disappointing season and an even more disappointing playoff run.
Those are two huge names, and when we're talking about that
supplemental scoring that really came out flat.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Throughout Palot had his moments, you know, when he was
kind of making room for Jessper and Jack out there
in the ice, but as soon as Jack got hurt,
it was just like wow, poof abracadabra, Andre Polott has disappeared,
you know, like and it's like, well, he's supposed to
reappear at some point, right, right. I thought it's gonna

(44:22):
be the playoffs, right, That's when he reappears, right in
the playout.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Now that didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Yeah, So I think Fitzi's probably working on trading, looking
for a trade, but I think Plot might end up
getting one more year.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
But Haula, I, you know, I think.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
He would be probably a candidate for a buyout or
also you know, a trade as well.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Hmm, there's gonna be a lot of tough decisions, boys,
there will be.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
It's a lot, you know, but this team needs I mean,
FITZI said it because you know what's on it's on
him now.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
He even said it.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
The team was not good enough short Skuy was saying
it all last season.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
It wasn't good enough, not.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Good enough and it wasn't short.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Do you do you agree with this that when you
look at it, he has to build a team because
I saw this suwhere and I was like, I agree
with this, but he has to build a team that
is going to be the Panthers, Like that's your benchmark.
You don't have to look at anything else. But it's
like that the Panthers are right now where the NHL

(45:30):
is at, at least in the East, right. So when
you look at it, do you feel like that's like
a smart way to approach this? And if so, like
how the hell do you do it? Like what is
the formula?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
How do you.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Fix this team the way it's constructed to be able
to beat the Florida Panthers in a seven game set.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's tough because it's it's two different two different teams,
two different physicalities, you know, coming from each. You know,
we have a lot of smaller players that play more
of a European style without the big hitting, and that
the Panthers are just they they run at you, and
they run at you, and they run at you, and
they're relentless. You know. Even the even the Hurricanes who

(46:16):
were you know, relentlessly and after you as well, they
fell victim to the UH to the Panthers as well.
So you almost would have to beat them with speed
and just out and out speed and just get around them.
And probably your best bet is to pass against them
and to to try to outpass them and and out

(46:37):
skate them to the puck. And then you know you're
gonna be hit. So these smaller guys gotta be used
to hitting, so you're probably gonna have to bulk up
a little bit and maybe get that, you know, another
big crashing center or a winger. But then you know
you're gonna have to work on making sure that that
passing is is crisp and to the point, and it's
got to be quick passes and quick movements that are

(46:58):
gonna get you around the pants. There's you know, and
then you have to have a goaltender that's that's that's
ready and able to uh, you know, do it, do
what they need to do in order to you know,
to to win the game. Because the Panthers are going
to get their chances and they're they're good. So that
to me, would would be your your best bet is
you know, if you're going to have a team that's

(47:19):
coming at you, you have to pass around them basically, but.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
I feel like.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
I feel like you have to stand up to because
they'll just bully the hell out of you, and like.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You do, you're not your bottom six has to be
that that those those players because you know, Jack is small,
justper small, Like you can't change that, Like you're not
going to give them an additional six inches of height.
You know, you can, you can bulk them up, but
then you know, are they going to be as mobile
if they're if they're a little bit more bulked up.

(47:55):
So it's it's really a matter of, you know, your
bottom six has to be those players that are going
to go out against your ka Chucks and your Bennetts,
you know, to kind of bring it to them so
that your your your Jacks and your Jespers can go out,
you know against Jesspervoquist and players like that.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
So and I that bring I think you bring back Cody,
I mean Cody Glass. I think he'll add a little
bit more of that edge and toughness. I would be
interested in bringing in, you know, a Victor Olifson who
was with Vegas last year, bottom six player. I think
he had like, yeah, like the high teens. I think
in goals, you know, over the course of the year. Uh, tough,

(48:35):
gritty player. And actually Max has a good point here
on the old YouTube chat. The Devils did bring in
that really good strength and conditioning coach who was working
for the Seattle Mariners when they were having no pitching
injuries whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
And I think a combination of hey, having this really
good strength and conditioning coach to avoid injuries, but also
hitting the friggin gym too, you know, and bulking up
a little bit as well. There's no reason why there's
no reason why they can't do both. You know, some
people are I see a lot of people on the
old inchws being.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Like, oh, well they need to hit the gym instead.
Oh well, no, they need to just focusing on on
not getting.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Hurt because Jack Hughes gets hurt too much. You know, like,
you can do both. You can bulk up and also
folk you can do it in the right way so
you protect your body so you can get bigger and
stronger and also be smarter about it to avoid injuries.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Well, there's a couple of names that are that are
floating out there as UFAs that I wanted to kind
of throw into the mix because as as you guys
are talking about like what this team needs and what
this team needs to do, there's three names they're gonna
give to you. Okay, we have, uh, we have Lers
who's right wing, left wing at twenty nine years old,

(49:54):
his last year making six million dollars with the Winnipeg
Jets is a UFA. You have have Brock Boser or
bess I was last name Besser and I just had
it pulled up and now I'm gonna lose it. And
Brock Nelson, so out of the sign damn it all right,

(50:22):
never mind, then screw him anyways. So out of those
two names, then do either of those two because they
will take up a considerable amount of your cap money.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
They're both sound intriguing, but HM it's the it's the
money issue with them unless they That's why I was
looking at I think Victor Olison was only making a
million dollars last year for Vegas.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
That was another reason why I was.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Like, oh, well look at that right there, low salary cap,
you know, like that's the guy that we can pump
in there on the third or fourth line, you.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Know with old the Cody Glass And yes, Tom, Yeah, Brock.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Got seven and a half for three years, which ironically
I think was almost exactly what Lou Lambs offered him
and he turned down.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
But you know, uh, he took it from Colorado.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Yeah, well he's got a hell of a lot better
shot at winning a Cup next year with Colorado than
the Icelanders.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
So I'd rather live in Denver than you know, outside of.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Well not during the winter time.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Maybe Denver snowy over there?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Know what about you? Look at you going soft living
in cal Listen.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I just drove through the Rocky mountains over.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
There, and it was like there were signs out there
that said snow chains are required until May thirty. First,
I'm like, what in the hell does that mean? I
live in la I do not have snow chains.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
All right, but I mean for him, No, it's a
great it's.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
A great deal, you know, for brock Nelson because obviously
Colora Atto is a really good team. You know, they
just got hit with like a conference finals type matchup
in the first round against Dallas, and bye bye Pete.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
He kissed his job would buy there.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I want to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
I want to talk about that one in a minute,
because I have a soft spot in my heart for
Pete de Boor. I love, I loved Peter.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Bour all right.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Well, some other names that I can throw out, you
Claude dru who's an older statesman, Matt, I think, I.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Think the Sens are trying.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
The Sins are negotiating with him now, I think to
bring him back. But that doesn't mean that he's signed yet,
so that's still it's still a potential. But I think
he might cost a pretty penny too.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
Mm hmm uh. This Travis connected me. He's he's a
he's a free agent connect me. Yeah, I'm trying to
look this up real quick because if he is, dude,
I would I would go after that dude. He's he's
like one of those players that I hate to play against.

(53:05):
There's no way he's a free agent.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
I'm looking this up on.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I keep forgetting Corey Perry is forty years old.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Yeah, and he's how many what is this his fIF
his fifth Stanley Cup Finals in a row or something like.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
That, six years he has fifth Stanley Cup finals? He
is uh, he is out there doing it and doing well.
Well yeah, I mean I'm looking at this one. Well,
yeah he's got I mean, look what he's got around
him too.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Mitch Marner, no, thank you, Sam Bennett. Interesting if it
doesn't cost you a lot, beast nerve and command, I know, yeah,
even Marshanned I would take I would take Marshan. See
nobody has updated their list because now I'm on ESPN
and they still have brock Nelson listed as a UF.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Clad.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Janni Gordon got paid, I'm pretty sure by Tampa Bay.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
If I'm not mistake Tampa Bay.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Yeah, I think they Yeah, I think they announced his
his uh antony and thanks Olivier. Yeah, I mean he Olivia.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
He had fifteen goals you know between who was it
was he on the island. He got traded to wash
oh the Penguins.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, he got traded.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
I mean maybe like a one year deal, you know
kind of kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think that connected.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
What's it is?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
It?

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Is it a suitor had a career high forty six points?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Who was the dude in Who was I thinking of?

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Who is in Chicago that had his career year?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I can't think, right, Oh damn it.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
If you could get Jamie Ben, if you could get
Jamie Ben for like half price, I would take a
I'd take a thirty five year old Jamie Ben.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Ryan, right, Ryan Donado? That's it? Yes, yeah, Chado?

Speaker 6 (55:26):
He is did he resign?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
He's listening to the UFA, he's listening as the uf Yeah,
two million cap hit from last season and he's twenty.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
He had a career year.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
He had a career year last year, so he's a
he's another one right there. That Yeah, I mean, if
you can Jamie Ben would be Jamie Ben would be
you know listen, you know he's he's a little bit
older now, but you want to talk about toughness and grittiness,
that dude to bring it to the team.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
There's options, there's you know, there's always the unforseeable trade.
So that's you know, I I wouldn't be shocked to
see if there is movement via that way. It just
depends on how crafty he can get Fitzgerald can get
in moving some of these contracts. Uh yeah, talk from

(56:27):
from Buffalo would be amazing. Robertson from Dallas would cost
you an arm and a leg. I feel like that
would They would want way too much for Robertson. But
the dude is yeah, I mean he he had kind
of an off year this year, but yeah, dude, I

(56:47):
don't know. This is the This is what's fun about
the offseason is the unknown and the the unpredictability of
what's gonna happen. I mean, who knew we were gonna
get p K Suban a couple of years ago. It
didn't pan out the way we wanted it to, but
it's same time. That was one of those moves where
we're like, oh, oh my god. Or Taylor Hall for
that matter, Sam says don't doesn't want Robertson, and and listen,

(57:09):
I don't blame you for not wanting Robertson. I just
it's just a name that got thrown out there in
the YouTube chat.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Connect would be another would be an interesting target.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
As well. If he's I don't move on the other
list though I didn't see him on that list. If
he yes, might be more trade, maybe he.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Might be more of a trade type of thing. But
it's oh he is lockdown, Okay, Oh is that Robert?
I think Robertson's lockdown though, eight years? I think that's
really hard.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, oh, he says, connect me eight years.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
See stupid Google, Thanks Google, make me look like an idiot.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Jay Snow will fits actually make these moves. He's got
to do something. He's got to do something right now.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
Is this way his seats warned? He's got he's got
the seat warmers on, he's got the seat. I think he's.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
No, No, I'm just saying if Fitzgerald, yeah, if Fitzgerald
needs to they need to get past the second round.
If if Harrison Blitzer and all these guys are are
serious about this team, they need to get past the
second round, and he needs to he needs to do
something about that. He needs to make that move that
is going to shake up this team in a way.
Like listen, has he done a great job so far?

(58:36):
He's done a good job, a very good job. Look
at some of the names that he has. Our defense
looks great. The contrast that we have the fact that
we're not paying Jack Hughes twelve million dollars a year
right now is absolutely incredible, and all do credit to him.
The fact that he has Nico Heischer for under eight
million dollars right now. Who is who should have been
top three Selky votes is top top four, He's got

(58:58):
Jesper Brett. So has Fitzgerald done a good job. Yeah,
it's done a good job, very serviceable, serviceable job. But
to get over that hump, to not just be like,
we don't want to we don't want to show up
with the dance every year. We want to dance with
the prom queen, you know what I mean? Like we
want we want the whole Encelada. You don't want to
go and just be.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Like, hey, we made the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
There's plenty of teams in in all sports that are like, hey,
we made the playoffs, and then you're out look at
the maple leafs. You don't look at teams that are like, yes,
regular season Warriors, and then you get into the playoffs
and you're like, and that first round was fun. M
You don't want that. We want to build a team.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Here's here's the name to throw you for a bottom
six thirty six year old James van Riemsdyke.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
Born.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
He's always had an issue for some reason coming here,
So I don't I don't know about him, but it's
an interesting Yeah, it's a interesting thought. But yeah, he's
always seemed to want to not play for the doubles
for one reason or not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
But he is a he is a a UFA. Last contract,
last two contracts. I think we're less than a million
dollars at one. It was nine hundred k last season
and a million before that. So he's you know, he's
in the price range if he's still you know, in
last year with sixty nine games played, sixteen goals, nineteen assists,

(01:00:28):
you know, so he's still able to pop some in
mm hmm. You know some would experience if you've got
to move up to a second or first second line too,
you can throw up there as well. So it's possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
And I just want to throw this out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Last year as I was talking about it, Victor Olofson
fifty six games played, twenty nine points, fifteen goals, fourteen
assists plus seventeen. That's that to me sounds like some
some good depth right there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
And I do believe stupid Google.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
I think I would have to look. I think he
is a free agent.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Oh, don't trust the internet because they lie right to
your face. Make you look at.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I'm on a Oh that's Edmonton. Hang on, what did
I call them before?

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
The oilanders or something?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
What did ilaner?

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
He is a UFLDS?

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
His his Uh he was one million one point. That's
not even point set. That's like one million, seventy five
thousand for twenty nine year old five eleven three twenty
nine points last year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah, we're going in the wrong direction.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
Yeah, that's just you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah, we're going We gotta we gotta buke up. We
can't be uh, can't be shrinking down.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
His agent is PEP.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Pep is his agent.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
You know, we like to work with Pep.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well either way, I like that idea
of almost thirty points there on you know, your fourth line.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
You know, I think that would be a nice fit.
I like the idea.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
I mean I I I would enjoy the idea of
a Jamie ban I'm sure that he might be a
little bit more expensive, but I love the toughness and
grittiness and the leadership that he would bring to the team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
The Ryan Denando, I like that idea as well. But
I think those those three big names there a Loot,
haula uh and Hamilton is where the Devils are gonna
find that money to rebuild that bottom six, to make
them to make them into that complete team. Love Dougie,
Like we're saying, it's not personal, it's just business here

(01:03:09):
with the emergence of Luke Hues, Seamus Casey, you know
Simone Nemets last year proved a lot of people wrong
when it came playoff time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, yeah, Sam put a hold. Sam put a hold
on the Nemets jersey purchase he has. He had the
order in and then he called him and said hold
that order real quick.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
I know in the cart forever in the cart. That
should be the threat to Like Sheldon Kief comes into
the room and he's like, boys, I don't know about
that period there. We just had Nemitch. Your jersey's in, Sam,
who's cart?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
You know what you gotta do. You gotta send Nemus
a letter to like cut out from different magazines, like
all the different letters play well, or I'll buy your.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Like a ransom note. Woo buys the jersey. By the way,
I sent this to you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
I don't know if you saw, but there's been some articles.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
There's a there's been some articles about all the you know,
how much fun it is to go see a game
at the Crudential Center in Nork.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
And what do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
The picture on that article is of our old party
there outside on the streets across the American Whiskey during
the playoffs. So nice to see Sam Wu's head in
the in the front of that picture over there. I
believe that was on the Good Old Devil's fan page
Instagram there. So I like that We're finally starting to

(01:04:42):
get some credit for being a really fun place to
go see a game, because, let me tell you, you know,
American Whiskey.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Reds all those bars right there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I mean, we had a.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Blast during the playoffs. It was so much fun, so
much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I'm looking forward to and at the same time fearing
a deep play off run.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
Oh like, imagine this standing but you know, nothing feels
better than leaving the arena on a nice, warm summer's
evening screaming your head off because they just want.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
To and then going back to the bar because it's
still open because it's a party long after.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
A w yeah, oh my god. Back in back in
two thousands, standing in the parking lot that night, boys twelve,
Sammy and I and the rest of the guys from
two of eight would go across the parking lot to
where that old beat up Chinese food place was. We'd
sit down and have Chinese food.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Like old Sam Wu and the old crab Rangoon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yeah. I actually funny it was ordered. I think Hans
was the one who ordered it. Every single time I
remember that order episode. I remember saying be like, Hey,
if you go there, don't get the crab Rangoon. I'm
like Sam, I would never get that from any Chinese
food restaurant to begin with.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
You know what, next time you come out east, if
we get a chance to actually hang out and you
don't dodge me, we will find I have this place
by me that hasble.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Didn't you not show up to the playoff games where
we had these big parties.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I believe I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I don't know about you. I was there, so you
know who's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Dodging new I don't know, Just like you, that question
so anyways, Uh, we have Chinese.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Get chicken or something like that. Be from Bronxley Question
with the Question with.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
A question exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
The other Sam Special Wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
You go to the bar, You're gonna get wings, you're
gonna get nachos, get a pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Sam or the catfish.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Yes, the only person I've ever met my entire life.
I didn't even know catfish was on that menu. And
Sam with lab of cat stage. The guy in the
kitchen was probably like, that was a joke. I didn't
even put that put on the menu. With the joke,

(01:07:12):
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
Give him some chain on it. He'll never know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
That's like that side for the hot dog and that
old theater that Kramer is restoring, and he's like, I'll
have a hot dog. He's like kidding me. It's been
there since the silent error. Oh my god, remember asking
Sam saying, what are you getting?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Not chose?

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Now, I gotta get the catfish.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
Man they're on they're on a two game heater. They're
on a two game heater. You gotta get that fish.
Damn's Superstitions Food Superstitions with Sam. That's the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Oh man.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
But as we're wrapping up, I would like to uh
bring up something that you you kind of mentioned before,
is the the firing of one Pete the board, who
has been in the the conference championship I believe six
out of the last seven years. It's something that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Something like that stat like that last three in a
row with Dallas.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean, like, listen, he's got
a winning pedigree. He just can't get over the hump.
He's been to the Stanley Cup finals with the Devils,
he's been to the Stanley Cup finals with the Vegas Knights.
Did he go with the Sharks or no?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Was that him?

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
I don't know, But you know what else, just to
throw this in there too, he's what nine and oh
in game sevens and he hasn't won a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
How can you be nine and oh in game sevens
and not actually winning the cup?

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
Bizarre? And And do I think that he's gonna get
a job somewhere else? More than likely because somebody's gonna
look at his winning pedigree and be like, yeah, dude,
you he's gonna get over that hump eventually. But it's
just it's crazy to see even a guy who brings
your team to the conference finals, that this is a

(01:09:06):
league where it's like, if you're not getting it done,
we will move on. And that's where I bring in
mister Tom Fitzgerald. Has he put together a good team?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Has he put together a great team?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Not yet?

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
And if it doesn't happen this year, I have a
feeling that things are starting to get a little warm
in his seat. So would I be surprised that he's
gonna make bigger or more aggressive moves this offseason. No,
I wouldn't be surprised. He has shown in the past
that he has had the wherewithal of the balls to
be able to pull things off and to be able
to make some of these magic moves. But I do

(01:09:42):
feel as a fan base, we're expecting a little bit more,
and even though we're moving in that right direction, we
expect to be there a heck of a lot faster.
So let's see where he ends up over this offseason.
So the balls in his court, let's see how he
handles this situation, at least this year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
My final thought is that, you know, to follow up
on what Beer Barron was just saying, I think the
offseason has started out very well with the strength and
condition coach hiring, and of course Bradshaw coming in. I
think it's going to pay huge dividends for this team,
not only their young defense, but they're they're superstars up front.

(01:10:30):
You're team O Myers. We saw it this year under Keith,
the Jack Hughes, Jasper Brats. You know, these guys are
just going to get better defensively, which is going to
be able to create more offense out there on the ice.
So I think that's going to be a really, really
key thing. And I'm very excited because Bradshaw likes to
play a very aggressive style on the p K, and

(01:10:52):
there were times, even though Devils were very good on
the PK this year, there were times where I'm like,
they're sitting back too much. So I'm actually really looking
forward to them being more aggressive. And the way to
do that is to use speed, and we all know
this team has got a lot of speed. Luke Ues
is just constantly on the turbo button whenever he's out

(01:11:14):
there on the ice, so I think it's gonna make
him such a better player defensively. We saw him with
so many good sticks this year, using that reach to
his advantage and his speed to his advantage. You give Shaw,
he gets shawt in there. This could really be the
start of a career.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Defining season for Luke Hughes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
So it's starting off well, but those three names a
lot haula Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Gotta figure out what's gonna go on with those three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, uh, totally agree. I think that this is the
year or the summer you're going to see summer going
into the season, You're gonna see Fitzy do stuff more
than we're used to. Because now that Sheldon Keep's been
here for a year, Sheldon Keith knows how this team works.
He knows who works together who doesn't. I think that
gives Fitzgerald and Keith the ability to go out and

(01:12:12):
find the pieces that will work to make this team successful.
So getting that year of experience, you know, with the
players like Jack and Luke and Jasper, now Sheldon Keith
can say, Okay, well this is what I need here,
it's what I need here, it's what I need here,
and then Fitzgerald goes out and does the shopping. I

(01:12:33):
think that's gonna be a huge plus for this team.
M hm, Sam, Sam, that would be you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
You'd be the next one here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I have nothing to say, really, it's all.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Okay, no weird, all right, interesting, thanks for the anti
calmat tick ending and uh yeah play the music.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I'm looking for that button.

Speaker 7 (01:13:12):
Alrighty well, glad to be back. We'll be back next
we go, are we? It's Father's Day? All right, we'll
have to figure this thing out.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Gonna drop the podcast at midnight until next time. Let's
go Devils
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