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The Stanley Cup finals will feature a rematch between the Florida Panthers and Edmonton Oilers.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Happy Devils Wednesday. This is the State of the Fan
Address episode three zero two titled Stanley Cup Rematch. Yeah,
we're gonna be talking a little bit about that. We're
gonna be talking about taxes as well, Yes, taxes. Streaming
(00:36):
live on Facebook Live, YouTube Live, x Live, and Twitch
on the Let's Go Devil's Network. I'm your host Sam
wou here with Punks and Pitchforks Blog editor in chief
Nick Bollano. As the Stanley Cup Finals begins, can I
and you know, some of us has boycotted this final
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because it's the same teams from last season, the chosen one,
the Edmonton Oilers with all the first overall picks on
their roster or very high first round picks of years ago,
playing the Florida Panthers, who will try to bully their
way to a back to back to Stanley Cup. The
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third appearance in the Stanley Cup Finals, which is very impressive, Nick,
very impressive, three appearances in a row.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I do want to put a little asterisk on that, though.
How we we forget that two years because because here's
the thing is that the last two years of Florida
Panthers have been a wagon best team in the league. Like,
I'm not trying to take anything away from them right
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before this, first of all, did the same thing three
Stanley Cup final in a row. They're built very differently,
not very differently, but differently. Right, They're not the same team. Yeah,
both of them have have come in and dominated the
Eastern Conference. I have two reasons why, but I just
(02:20):
want to put the answers out that the only reason
that Panthers made the playoffs in twenty twenty three before
that magical run of the Stanley Cup is because the
Penguins lost to the lowly Blackhawks in the last game
of the season.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That doesn't matter. That does not matter.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think it matters a little, not a lot, not
a lot. Maybe it's not the first thing I should
be saying, but it's it's just the thing that nobody's
talking about. They're talking about. It's like, can you believe
that this team has been dominant for threes Well, no,
they weren't the first, like.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
One of the Sea. They were the number one in
the league, weren't they?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Right? Uh, they were definitely good. Look it up. That
was either with Andrew Burnett, right, I believe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So I have to go back in time.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So after that season they made the big Boy. Here's
the thing, And I want to talk about taxes in
a little bit because because I'm kind of sick of
this argument, but I just want to point out this
is all Bills z though and the staff that Bill
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Zito put in place. And Bill Zito is an agent
who came into the league looked at it like with
no emotion. And I think that's the big difference between
Tom Fitzgerald and bails It though, is he goes into
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it like it's a business. He's not friends with these players,
He's not friends with his coaches, right like he All
of the mistakes that Tom FitzGeralds has made is due
to emotion and ego. And I don't want, I don't
want to speak for Tom to say ego, but like
on the surface, that's what it looks like. He didn't
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fire Lindy Rough fast enough when the team was clearly
not listening to anymore, and that was because he just
so badly wanted it to work out. That's not how
you can make decisions as GM in the league. Hold on,
let me get through a couple of daks. He he
gave up an extra first round pick and the Timo
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Myer deal, well what the protected first round pick and
ended up being a second round pick because he didn't
want to give up Alexander Holtz because that was his
first draft pick with the Devils. Ended up losing more
value on Holtz is the year and and it's possible
that the Sharks didn't want him, but it appeared that
the value overvalued Holts to try to keep them. And
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we all celebrated that part that he didn't have to
give up Holts in that deal, but he ended up
giving up Mukumadoolan. He gave up, you know, a first
round pick that turned into Musty who looks like he's
gonna be a really good player. And then you know
they're giving up a second round pick as well. Meanwhile,
Bill Ziito had a guy who scored one hundred points,
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had Alan Walsh yelling at him because he traded uh
Huberto but to and he traded Huberto and Wiger for
Mathew could Chuck And I remember that this was a conversation,
and and you know, I love to pat myself in
the back, so I'm gonna do it right here, right ahead.
I thought there was better trades to be had. People
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were jumping for joy, like like Calgary, like they did
the impossible. They got these two assets that that are fantastic.
I like Wiger Huberto just felt like a product of
the system. And he was I think it was thirty
one at the time. He had to get paid. Give
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him eight year deal, seven eight year deal. You know,
I think, uh, Florida saw a poison pill, so I
don't want to deal with that. Gave somebody else to swallow, right,
and I think it was Brad or Living who's now
the Maple Leaves head or GM who actually gave it
to him. They gave him this this crazy contract because
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they trade Master Kad Chuck and you kind of look
at but again that that took. You had to have
no emotion in the deal to make that work. Chuck
is clearly the better player two even at the time,
he's the best player in the deal. They made the
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big boy move they give him. You know, I think
it was an eight year deal for nine million dollars
per season. Fantastic deal. And now they got this star
level play that they could build around forever. And that
was on top of already having Barkoff, who's a star
level player. Now I think you look at the formula
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that Florida is playing by, and I think the Devils
can repeat it. You just have to have brass ones,
You have to have you know, the guts of you know,
you just have to go into it with all of
the guts and taking the risks that makes sense, you know,
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like the Sam Bennett deal, the same Reinhard deal, like
both of those, where you're just you're trying to find
distressed assets. You're looking at like the the you know,
things like signing to Mitya Kolakov and signing Adri Greer
and signing players that you're like, I think that this
could work in the right situation, just for Boquist. You know,
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all these are former Devils, ironically, but you know, trading
for Seth Jones, right, you're trading with Spencer Night. I
don't remember if Bill Zito gave Sergey bob Rosky that
ten million dollar deal, but you know that that was
considered a psychotic move, and he turned bob Rosky into
a really good goali, into a Hall of Famer, you know,
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And and and it's making her to see like they're
gonna probably let Eckblad go for nothing this offseason and
those are the types of things that hurt a team, right,
you know. There there are the types of moves that
you kind of look at you like, eh, we got
nothing for him, but you got you know, you got
the You have the Steeley Cup Championship last year, You're
in the Stanley Cup again this year. Those that is
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why Florida is where they are. Bill Zito has made
a plethora of just stunning moves and then when he
loses a piece, he replaces it like systematically, and it's
it's an assembly line of superstars. And I have no
doubt that he's going to trade for JJ Peterka and
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turn him to a star or Trevor Zegris and turn
in into a start. You know, finding these assets that
are not cheap enough contracts that it's a risk, but
it's a calculator risk and one that you can really
and then you bring them in there and you make
them feel like they have a home, Like you could
be ruthless and still make them feel like they have
a home. Look at Vegas. Vegas is ruthless and all
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those guys love being there. And it has a lot
more to do with camaraderie and the way that they've
they've structured their system than it does about taxes. Right,
the taxes, I'm not gonna say it means nothing but
to take away the value that Kelly McCrimmon and Bill
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Zito and Jim nil have brought to these franchises by
claiming taxes. You know, it's all about having someone great
at the top. And that's the difference. Here's I think
Tom Fitzgerald is a good GM. I don't know if
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a good GM could win a Stanley Cup. I think
it has to be a great GM. The problem here,
and you're seeing this ironically in basketball. I think Tom
Thibodeau is a good coach, but good coaches don't. Well,
Jim Azula won, but usually good coaches don't win in
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the NBA when you don't have like a Lebron or
a Tatum or something like that. So the Knicks are
now they've taken the risk, right, They've gone all in
to take the risk. The problem is what is the
They have to hire the right coach or they go
the other way. And that's the same thing with the Devils.
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If the Devils say replaced Fitzgerald with brodor because I
think brodor is is the next coming of Superstar God GM.
Maybe maybe he makes all the right moves, but it's
just as likely that you go the other and you're
back into a rebuild and you wasted jack Hus's prime.
So are you gonna stick with the good GM knowing
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that he's always gonna give you a chance to get
into the playoffs and then it's kind of like, we'll
see what happens, or are you gonna let him go
and hope that there's a great guy who's gonna get
you over the hump? And I, you know, the decision
has been made for Stir was staying, and I think
it's the right move for now. But I look at
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the Eastern con this is what really like put me there.
The Metropolitan Division is is terrible. It's awful, it's not good.
I think the Devils could if they make the right moves,
they could they could dominate the Metropolitan Division. I think
that Carolina is going. Carolina has all this cap space.
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I think they're gonna make a lot of moves. I
think Tolski is an interesting DM. I haven't really like
figured out whether he's great yet. I think he's interesting.
You know, he made the Miko a random move turned
him into stan Covin. I really like stan Covin as
a prospect, but at the end of the day, is
just the second round pick who's playing a little bit
above what we expect them to be. And he went
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to Jim Nill, who's a great GM, and signed immediately
eight eight year deal for twelve million dollars, you know,
the day of the trade. So again you're looking at
the difference between a good gym and a great GM.
The Hurricanes have a good GM. Jim Nill is a
great gym, and that's why Dallas is in the Western
Conference finals every year. That's why Pete Deavores on the
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chopping block even though they made a Final four. That's
why Jason Robertson's on the trade block because they see
what they have in this collection and they say, hmm,
we're close. Something's off, And I you know, if you
had a great GM, Sam, there's a couple of guys
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I'd wonder if they'd stick around. I think a guy
like Jesper Bratt, I love Jesper Bratt, hasn't done a
thing in the playoffs, and I think you you might,
as Tom fitz if you're Bill Zito and you can
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go and get a Matthew Kachuck level player. Like if
you're if you're Tom Fitzgerald, are you trading and you
call so you called Dallas, would you offer Jesper Bratt
for Jason Robertson. No, why.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Bratt has earned himself as part of the identity of
the New Jersey Devils. Right, that's emotional, but the game
is but but but this game is emotional.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No, not not for Bill Zeno.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
He has emotional guys doing the dirty work and they
do it every single time.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So do you think that's a Nico problem?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Possibly? Uh, you know, I think Nico has made strides
and progress towards where we want him to be. I
just think a lot of times we're asking him to
do too much because I'm not sure if he's that
type of personality to be the one being that guy.
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I think Nico is comfortable, you know, in his own
skin when he does Nico things. I just think that
what the Devils really need is someone that can elevate
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each individual player by the sheer presence in the room.
It doesn't have to be a fit fifty to fifty player,
but somebody that can light a fire under their asses
and get the job done. There were times during the
playoffs Devils look frustrated. There's a difference between the Panthers
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and the Devils when they get frustrated. Devils get frustrated.
They get down on themselves very easily. They still try. Yeah,
they still try. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying
that they're mailing it in. They used to, but last
season they didn't and they made the playoffs as a reward.
But I do think that what the Florida Panthers do
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in a situation if they were down three to nothing,
they have the players to change the narrative of the game,
like as if that okay, we're down three nothing, let's
turn the page. We're in chapter three. There was an incident,
Chuck collided to this person, pissed off the bench. Now
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you've thrown off their game and suddenly there's one goal.
Now the you're down three to one and then three two,
and the Panthers are coming back. We've seen it time
and time again. They always do it. Remember that time
when Nico accidentally fell on the bark off and they
had to artificially infuriate themselves and went after Nico. They
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didn't win the game, but boy did they get under
Niko's skin. And they didn't mount a comeback in that game,
if you remember that, because I think the Devils were
ahead quite a bit and then they scored a couple
of goals and it's just like, all right, you know,
that's what the Panthers do very well. So if McDavid
and the Oilers are up three to nothing in the
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second period, at the Florida Panthers, at any given moment,
there's a momentum shift somewhere. They got players that make plays,
and they got players that can change the outcome of
the game just by doing all the little things, right.
I mean, that's that's the Florida Panthers right there. By
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the way. Getting back to that stat, remember when I
was raising my hand before before that season, you know,
before they barely made the playoffs the previous season. They
won fifty eight games that season, one hundred and twenty
two points. So you can make an argument.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That the missing what's that they were missing something that team, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Matthew could chuck because that team, you know, I had
the Hubertos and and all that, but.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
They didn't feel like a particularly hard team to play again.
From what I remember, yeah, they were, and if you
remember the bottom of the Atlantic divisit was From what
I remember, I think it was terrible that year.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But can you believe right now, say, if the Panthers
win the Stanley Cup this year, that Florida teams would
be would have legitimate argument for being both dynasties from
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from twenty twenty on or maybe yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, so I covered that Lightning team and they
had a similar similar run, right they they had that
twenty nineteen year where they were the most dominant team
in the league, you know, barely ever lost, and then
long that was either they lost in their first run
to Columbus. So you got you basically, you get punched
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in the mouth, right, you get high in your high
in your own supply, you're you think that you're everything right,
and then you get punched in the mouth, which happened
to the Panthers in twenty twenty two, and you know
that that you don't have the right formula to win
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in the playoffs. I don't see an example in a
long time of a team that doesn't have that same story,
like even Edmonton had the punched in the mouth a
couple of times too. You know, they had the miraculous
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run in twenty twelve right where where Larson and McDavid
and all them got them to the Western Conference final
and everybody was like, oh great, like Edmonston's here. They
kind of like never really like put it all together again.
But recently they've been getting to the Western Confege final.
Most years they're they're in the final back to back.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yea, well they should be because for years they were
getting first overall picks.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know, it was just that good on the team
except for McDavid, Hall and Larson are both gone. What's
his name? Yakapav was nothing. He was a total bust.
Nugent Hopkins is that he's a fine player. It's not like,
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is he a top thirty player in the league. I
don't think so, you know, but they got McDavid, who
is the number one player in the league, the best
player in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Which misses off because it was just so unfair at.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That right, he was right, he was the fourth one.
I think David was the fourth one. But either way, yeah,
Edmonton's weird because Edminton's made a lot of mistakes in
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their uh in their roster building. They they paid Darnell
there's like a top defenseman and he's not. You know.
They they gave decent money to Vander Kaine and it's
not really working out, you know. And dry Settle was
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what a third overall pick maybe talked about this last week.
So you know, it's when you're constantly picking that high
and again pot calling the kettle black. With the Devils,
we've had a lot of high picks too, but I
think when you're looking at how they've built their team,
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it's nothing. I don't want the Devils to emulate that
outside of building around your top two centers.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, the Devils have always emulated after the Pittsburgh Penguins,
they followed that model to a t. They tank.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't know anymore though. I don't know if you
win that way anymore though, And.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's the problem that that's the big problem. But even
though it was Pittsburgh Penguins teams, you know, when they
won the you know, they made the Stanley Cup finals
against the Red Wings, that Sidney Crosby's first Cup finals.
They lost to the Red Wings. Eventually they beat them.
You know, the next following year they added that snarl
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to that team. I mean that team had some beef
to it. If you remember Brooks or Pick, I mean
that guy was nasty. They had some nastiness on the Yeah,
and they improved. The problem is they got hurt. That
was that was a big issue in the second round.
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I'm sorry in the first round just they just the
first game they got hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I agree in the playoffs, that's not the excuse. In
the second half of the season, there were serious roster
flaws that when Jack Hughes was still here, when and
there was there's injuries here and there, like got her,
mark Strom got hurt. I think Halla was dealing with something.
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I think Thar was saying with something. But the problem
is that the the demastrated Curticials are to be like
a mcleoud like fill in. Right, he's gonna play wing,
but if you need to play center, then that's fine.
When you lost mcleoud due to getting arrested, you then
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just were like, Okay, well the guy we brought in
to replace him is now just going to be the starter.
It's like, no, you brought him in to be the
fill in and then you over and then you had Halla,
who was also kind of this fill in center guy.
You know, sometimes he'd behind Jack Hughes Lyne. Sometimes he'd
be in the third line. You took away all of
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your center mobility and you have none in the Ahl
Ryan Schmeltzer, and you know, like the centers you have
the AHL aren't good. No offense to them, I'm sorry,
let me they're not NHL players. So you had no
depth of the position. And Halla and Lazar fill up
the map, fill off the map, and I do think
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they both got hurt, but like that happens, and then
that's why you're playing Justin Dowling for this year, Justin
Dowing played playoff games, and you're losing face offs left
and right, which I think face offs are more important
that people give them credit for.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You just don't have, like you have no depth of position.
In twenty twenty three, you had five guys, six or seven.
You had six or seven guys who could play center.
And then when you I love putting center on wing
because I think they just play smarter. They know the PSI,
they know what position to be in, they understand to
fill That was the thing about the twenty twenty two
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to twenty three Devils. That was so impressive is how
they filled space. And we have a lot of centers
on the ice, like they're just intrinsically built to fill
that space, while a winger is built to play at
his position. And I think that I think that one
of the things that the Devils really need to do
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is go after centers. And if they play on the wing, great,
you know, like a Jared McCann. Great, it would be
a great addition to this team. You know, Yanni Gord
would have made a lot of sense. He just for
something like are you I don't want to give him
six years? That's the thing too, It's like these free
agent contracts that are being given out prior to for
agency starting like to Yanni Gordon brock Nielson, Like these
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centers are getting these psychotic deals that are you know
you've used this termorry, but they're a poison pill, like
there's there there. It reminds me of the Jeremy Lynn
deal when when he got that twelve million dollars third
year and the next like I'm not give him that
and they let him go to the Rockets.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's there's these aspects like giving six years to Yanni
gord Is just to bring us a v down now,
But like you know, you're gonna to pay for that
three years maybe two, give me brock Nelson three years
at seven point five million dollars. Devils couldn't do that.
Brock Nelson doesn't make the Devil's Stanley Cup contender. So
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I don't see a reason I couldn't even sit here
and tell you that the Devils are a definite playoff team.
If all you did was add brock Nelson to this team.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh, I would totally agree with it. To me, it's
it's not the talent right now. I think a lot
of it is the mindset and attitude of this team.
You know, they sometimes but I like what Keith does
with that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I like Sheldon Kee's attitude, I do.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I like the place, but he's not on the ice.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Nick, you know, so won't make your ideal free agent?
Do you want like Sam Bennett? Like, what are you
looking for?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Sam Bennett is way too expensive, that's out of control spending.
I don't know. I don't know the solution. I'm just
saying that they don't. They don't have the right players
at the moment. They've got a good core group they
just need to. It really all boils down to the
bottom six. The bottom six is just you know, they
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brought in is it Brian Shaw? Is that his name?
Uh to is that his name? Nick? I don't think no, Yeah,
now I'm gonna look it up because it isn't he.
I think Brian Shaw is a basketball player from the past.
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Help me out, guys, help me out on the YouTube
live Bradshaw. Yeah, they brought in Bradshaw, you know, for
the defense essentially, but places mcgil Yeah that I'm interested, Like,
I'm not worried about goaltending and defense right now, although
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I'm just be worrying about the health of of Dylan.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But is a great coach. I think it's a great
a great assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, But you know, Ted says culture and organizational identity.
It really is. I don't even know what the Devil's
brand of hockey is right now. You know they mark.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
They basically put four brands and then put in a mixer.
This year they tried to be twenty things.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But if they played as one as a team like
Stanley Cup teams, Stanley Cup winning teams in the past.
They all may have great individual players, but when come
playoff time, they like came together as one uh and
(28:54):
and could shut down could shut down any offense because
they played collective team defense. Uh, they stepped it up.
They're blocking shots, They're wearing out poplands, I mean, geez.
I mean. You know one team that I thought that
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played really well during the playoffs but then fell to
the Oilers. It was Dallas Stars. I mean they were
always playing on an edge. I mean that first series
against Colorado, they were down in Game seven and then
somebody decided to turn on the after burners and that
was ratting, you know, to prove a point. And that
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was that was That was probably one heck of apperiod. Yeah,
you know of hockey there. Game sevens are fun. But
the way Rattnan basically took over, he went took it
into another gear.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It was almost shown by Colorado like they didn't know
what to do, you know, they got punched the out yep.
I'm I'm trying to play out a scenario that fixes this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Now. I'm just saying that without adding any players. I
do think that Nico and Timo Meyer, their experience in
the world, is going to help tremendously next season. If
they get in the playoffs because the way tim Omyer
was playing, I mean, he was playing with such focus
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just watching a couple of the games that I think
tim O Meyer is going to be better next season.
I think he's comfortable in New Jersey right now. I
think he's adjusted, you know, and I think he's going
to improve on what he's what he's done so far.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna build off that because I like that.
I think you need to make Timo Meyer a leader
of this team. I think tim O Myyer is holding
something back and kind of trying to let Jack Hughes
or Nico Hescher, whoever's I was like cook and when
he was on that bumb Panthers team, was like, I
guess I'll do it myself. He scored forty goals, you know.
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I know part of that was on the Devils, but
he came to the Devils who were already made system
and he kind of like he was trying to find
himself and he found a role in the playoffs of
being the instigator and he and he dove into it
and he was really good at it. But you know,
he he holds his stick too hard on offense. He
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clear he's he's trying to be something he's not. He's
not playing loose. Here's what I would do if I'm
the Devils first and foremost, like trade Andre Pilot. He's
not what you thought he was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You thought he was gonna not gonna be easy.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's gonna be very easy. I'm telling you it's gonna
be very easy. It's gonna be very easy. I think
you're gonna get a second round pick for him.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I think you're gonna a second round pick for
Andre Pallott. I think you and I think they eat
the whole contract. I don't think whoever this team is
not gonna care. But you brought it Ondre plot because
you thought he's gonna be that standing cup experience. You
thought he was gonna bring that attitude, and you thought
he was going to be the guy that pulled them
out of the duldrums. But I'm telling you something happened
(32:28):
when he tore his groin in that for I think
it was November of that first year that he was
here where he lost some confidence, he lost some skill,
and it like the collection doesn't work anymore. But he
still fills a decent role and with a rising cap.
(32:49):
He's probably a five million dollar player with a rising cap.
He's not that to the Devils, but he could be
that to the Ducks. He could be that to the
Red Wings. He could be that to the Canucks. He
could be that to the Senators. Like, I think there's
a couple of teams out there that would be willing
to similar to what the Devils did, where they didn't
get Johnny Gudrouz, they gave them bring the plot. I
(33:11):
think you could see a team that strikes out on
Marner or Bennett who's like, okay, like, let me try
to get a guy who brings that type of attitude.
You know, plots to know where near as good as Marner.
But I think you could get a guy who's trying
to get the same bit of attitude and you go
after plot. So but you gotta get him out. And
(33:33):
no offense to the guy. I like him as a
person on the team. He's just he just didn't bring
what I thought he was gonna bring. So that opens
up the a the assistant whatever was associated what.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Is I always called the alternate captain. That's an ultimate
people call assistant.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think it's I think assistant's wrong and I couldn't
remember it, but alternate the alternate captain. You put that
a right on Timo Meyer and you if I'm Sheldon Keith,
I walk up to him and I was like, you're
a leader on this team. Act like it. Act like
a leader. Tell people when they're not doing something right,
Tell the other team to get off your star players.
(34:13):
Drop kick a guy if you have to, you know,
And and I think you gotta give him a little
credence to be be you be the be kind of
you know, bring a little They said, they want to
know what d heads and I don't know how to
say this, but they Tom Fitzgerald said the word last year.
(34:34):
They don't want any of those on the team. I
kind of want one, and I want Tiamo Meyer to
be that guy. Give him the a that so it
opens up six million dollars and also it it gives
facilities to tim Omyer to be this dude. You're gonna
use that six million dollars to get two players to
fill the bottom six. I think you should go off
(34:56):
to Jared McCann. I think he's the type of player
that's really gonna fit this system really well. I think
there's other players you can get. I think I talked
about Zaka on a previous podcast. I'm a little bit
off of that, just because I'm trying to get a
different type of attitude from our players. But I'm trying
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to think like, because you're gonna want to trade for
these players, you're not gonna want to sign them because
I think free agency is gonna be off its rocker
this year. But I want McCann. You know, all the
guys that really worked out got recent Like york Stan
would have been great but he resigned. You know what
(35:39):
would be interesting?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Who's that?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
What do you think about bringing back Blake Coleman.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Again? I I like Blake Coleman. It's just my my
thing is I don't like second tour duty with Blake, right.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So you see the same thing about like Sharon Govic,
he plays center. I'm over him. I'm over him too, Okay.
I'm just trying to think of team like the like
it would be like I would say, like go get
ta Varis, but is gonna resign in Toronto?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Is what they need on the bottom six.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I just don't think I just won't take a deepen
in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Look, I don't, Yeah, I know, but that's what I think.
So you know, I gotcha. Drew would be an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I think Drew would be a good player here, giving
him a year or two, bringing him back to like,
you know, I'm sure he still has a house in
the Philly area. There's you know, there's a couple of
guys I have to really really dig into, like who
I want. But I just don't think you're gonna get
(36:56):
those stars. You know I want it's Quinn Hughes, but
I think the stars, no pun intended. But like I
would love Jason Robinson, I don't think they're gonna be
the ones to do it, just because of the contract
that's coming. No, you have to pay Luke, knowing you
want to save money for Quinn, Giving eight figures to
(37:20):
a forward's never played for you is a scary proposition,
you know. I know Mason Marchmant is a guy people
like I'd be like, that's fine. But you know, I
think that the Devils have a long offseason. I think
I want them to look at the Panthers and learn
lessons from Bill Zito. I don't want them to learn
(37:42):
lessons from the roster. Don't try to be the Panthers.
Learn lessons about the moves that Bill Zito makes and
why he makes them. Don't learn lessons like I need
to find my Sam Bennett. No, No, you need to
find young players who are in sitch as where they're failing.
I would look at Buffalo, just like Florida didn't say, Yeah, Poterica,
(38:07):
I the guy who's not living up. But there's a
reason for that, you know, and Ottawa was smart to
do that with Cousins, right. And you know, a guy
like Josh Norris would be interesting, but his contract is psychotic.
You know. You know what's saying. There's a guy who
I want, but it is the risk of the century.
(38:31):
It is the type of move that will win you
a cup or sends you in the hole. Do you
know who I want them to target.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Sydney Crosby.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think Sidney Crosby would be I think he's I
think he has five more years left being really good.
So I don't think there's any issue at Sidney. I
would love Sidney Carsby. He's not going. No, I chew
on this for a second before you react. I think
you're initial reaction is gonna be negative, but hear me out.
I want Mark Stone. He is the type of attitude
(39:11):
that you want. He is the type of player that
you want. He's everything you don't have on this roster.
He immediately makes all four lines better because you're pushing
everything down.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
He is.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I think when healthy, he's the perfect compliment to Jack Hughes.
When he's unhealthy, he's the perfect compliment in Nicohesia. So
when he's playing hurt, I think he fits anywhere in
the lineup. I think he's so valuable. Obviously he can't
stay healthy, and obviously he's cost nine million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Are friendly like he helped the Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I just look at that that player and like, again,
it's a risk because like, are these injuries going to
compound and take away some of his town But they
haven't so far. When he plays in the play house,
he's great.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Well, first off, is he gonna be a free agent?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
No, you'd have to trade front Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So yeah, But number one, you know, when I mentioned Marshawn,
I mean that's more realistic than this, this scenario that
you want. But I would agree. I would agree with
you on many levels. I just don't know if you
can actually poach him out of pull him out of Vegas.
(40:36):
I just think it's near.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think Vegas wants as much as they say they don't,
I think Vegas wants Warner. I think if they get Marner,
they trade Stone. If they tell Stone they don't want
him anymore, he might waive his no move cost. The
problem there is that to get him to waves no
move costs, he he'd have to go to a place
he wants to go, and he has no real ties
(40:59):
to New Jersey, and like looking it up to see if,
like for any reason he'd have a tie in New Jersey.
But you know, played on the Brandon weak Kings. I
don't think there's any other Devils that played in the
weak Kings. It's from Winnipeg, so like I don't know
if there's any man on the team from Winnipeg, you know.
(41:19):
But again, six' three, pounds he's still close to a
point per, game, player hard knows and a. Leader he's
gonna get the guys out of. Funks BUT i don't
disagree with what you're, Saying like it's it's a very
unrealistic proposition That i'm putting forth BUT i.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Liked BUT i like the point that you're trying to
make that type of. Player you gotta go for. It
AND i don't know what it would.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Cost it might cost a, lot but it might. Not
vegas is known for being, like we just don't want
to pay him by million dollars, anymore and you might get,
like you, know there's a bad example probably for other,
people but you might see what like The predators Sold
Sue ban because they want to get out of his
nine many dollar. Deal speaking is too? Bad can we
just talk about how crazy it is That Steve santini
(42:07):
is still SIGNING anhl.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Contracts, WOW i haven't heard that name in.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Years he's signed a two year deal with The. Lightning. Wow,
AH i, WOULD i would floored he was. ON i
wrote a list this year by guys you had no
idea they're still PLAYING nhl. Games Steve santini is playing
AN ahl. Games, crazy you.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Know he kind of reminds, me kind of reminds me
of the obscure, backup backup quarterback in THE nfl that
just hangs around and collects checks and doesn't even really get.
Noticed but it's still hanging around and collecting.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Checks, yeah like Case. Keenum, yes, yeah but the difference
is he's more like remember With John David booty kept getting,
checks never played a. Game that's That's. Santini, yeah but,
(43:08):
YEAH i you, KNOW i think uh.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Or was there a guy named last? Name wasn't there
A barkley FROM usc the quarterback On Matt? Barkley, yeah
didn't he collect a lot of? Checks get?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Did and that was a crazy. Thing he was supposed
to be a guy that was at like the top
of the draft and he decided to come back for
one more. Year he was his coaches talked him into,
it and he. Tanked it fell to the sixth round
and he never became. Anything it was. Crazy that story is. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Now he didn't play. Much he didn't hardly play it at.
All but if you remember it was his, Name Davis,
webb you, know he was on The, giants but he
worked his butt off in. Practice he was like the
rudy you, know first in last, out but never, played
but did all the dirty work in practice and scouting
(43:59):
tans and just to wait for a chance and finally
got it With, buffalo you, know to live out that.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Dream so, yeah, Listen Jared lorenzen made it all the
way to THE nfl Have, yeah you, know there's there's
there's a lot of great, stories these these small.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Guys but that's not WHAT i want for The. DEVILS
i WANT i WANT i want you to go. ALL
i want you to make the. MOVE i want you
to just shock the. WORLD i, think because here's the.
THING i know The hurricanes are gonna. Do The hurricanes
are gonna improve the. ROSTER i know The rangers are
gonna do everything in their power to make that team.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Better.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
ABSOLUTELY i know The islanders want to push for. It
they're Not they're not sitting. BACK i know The penguins
are gonna do some interesting. THINGS i think that they
just don't want to just like they're gonna go for
one more. Time they're gonna try to reset on The carlson,
thing make him go away and try to make a
round with this team one more. Time washington's in talks
(45:09):
with to Get Marco rossi from From. Minnesota they're not
resting on The loyals after a playoff. Disappointment you Know
montreal is gonna go after. It if you want to
talk about teams on the fringes in The Atlantic ottawa
is not satisfied with their playoff. Appearance they're gonna go for.
It BUT i don't THINK i, mean you, Know boston
(45:33):
might be the. Surprise boston might just do the. Rebuild,
say and if that's the, case then If Pastor knock becomes,
available that's a player you Trade bratt. For. Yeah i'm
not trying to Trade. Bratt i'm not trying to Trade,
bratt but For David, pasternack even with that. Salary make
(45:53):
it work. Anyway remember what just blun away pucks and
pitchworks dot. Com we have so Much. Sam we just
put up a new story About Tom fitzgerald's comments On Jake.
Allen so go To buckspittricks dot com to see What
(46:15):
Tom fitzgerald just said About Jake. Allen he had he
made comments About Luke. Hughes, uh we're gonna be writing
about that as. WELL i talked about Brock nelson earlier. Today,
uh last NIGHT i wrote an interesting. Story what would
it look like what three signingsold The devil's make if
they just didn't care about the future and they went
(46:36):
all in on twenty twenty. Three what three signings could
make it look? Like, basically Yelling Leroy jenkins and going
to fight the, Monsters like what does that look? Like
uh so three signings, there that's on pucks and pittsworcks right.
Now AND i have so much free agency articles coming,
(46:58):
up draft articles coming, up trade articles coming, up and
we're gonna be, reacting you, know the combines coming up this.
Week you're gonna hear so many rumors and we're gonna
react to. Them i'm not above reacting to. RUMORS i
never have been AND i never will. BE i love
talking about this. STUFF I I i love your.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Gossip Arm is that what you're trying to tell? Me?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah when it's, Not when it's, not you, know when
you sign up to be a hockey, player trade rumors
are a part of the. Deal that's kind of like
the lowest of hanging fruit That i'll. Do you, know
those are the conversations That i'll get. Into But i'm
also gonna write about. Tonight you, know The devil's broke
a record For Devil's Youth foundation, Donations so we gonna
(47:48):
write about.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
That, wow bucksom bitch forest dot com ALREADY i have
nothing to plug. Really Then i'm watching The Stanley cup
finals right after this podcast are about? It? ME i.
Might i've Been i've been goingeing On twitter, lately.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
All, right crazy, stuff, Yeah Sam bennett a million dollars
yeah or ye five?
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Million MAYBE i should start trolling sometimes that works.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Gets people.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Going. Yeah all. RIGHT i want to thank all those
tuning in dropping the podcast at. Midnight until next, time
let's Go devils
Happy Devils Wednesday. This is the State of the Fan
Address episode three zero two titled Stanley Cup Rematch. Yeah,
we're gonna be talking a little bit about that. We're
gonna be talking about taxes as well, Yes, taxes. Streaming
(00:36):
live on Facebook Live, YouTube Live, x Live, and Twitch
on the Let's Go Devil's Network. I'm your host Sam
wou here with Punks and Pitchforks Blog editor in chief
Nick Bollano. As the Stanley Cup Finals begins, can I
and you know, some of us has boycotted this final
(01:01):
because it's the same teams from last season, the chosen one,
the Edmonton Oilers with all the first overall picks on
their roster or very high first round picks of years ago,
playing the Florida Panthers, who will try to bully their
way to a back to back to Stanley Cup. The
(01:25):
third appearance in the Stanley Cup Finals, which is very impressive, Nick,
very impressive, three appearances in a row.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I do want to put a little asterisk on that, though.
How we we forget that two years because because here's
the thing is that the last two years of Florida
Panthers have been a wagon best team in the league. Like,
I'm not trying to take anything away from them right
(01:58):
before this, first of all, did the same thing three
Stanley Cup final in a row. They're built very differently,
not very differently, but differently. Right, They're not the same team. Yeah,
both of them have have come in and dominated the
Eastern Conference. I have two reasons why, but I just
(02:20):
want to put the answers out that the only reason
that Panthers made the playoffs in twenty twenty three before
that magical run of the Stanley Cup is because the
Penguins lost to the lowly Blackhawks in the last game
of the season.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That doesn't matter. That does not matter.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think it matters a little, not a lot, not
a lot. Maybe it's not the first thing I should
be saying, but it's it's just the thing that nobody's
talking about. They're talking about. It's like, can you believe
that this team has been dominant for threes Well, no,
they weren't the first, like.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
One of the Sea. They were the number one in
the league, weren't they?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Right? Uh, they were definitely good. Look it up. That
was either with Andrew Burnett, right, I believe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So I have to go back in time.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So after that season they made the big Boy. Here's
the thing, And I want to talk about taxes in
a little bit because because I'm kind of sick of
this argument, but I just want to point out this
is all Bills z though and the staff that Bill
(03:37):
Zito put in place. And Bill Zito is an agent
who came into the league looked at it like with
no emotion. And I think that's the big difference between
Tom Fitzgerald and bails It though, is he goes into
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it like it's a business. He's not friends with these players,
He's not friends with his coaches, right like he All
of the mistakes that Tom FitzGeralds has made is due
to emotion and ego. And I don't want, I don't
want to speak for Tom to say ego, but like
on the surface, that's what it looks like. He didn't
(04:20):
fire Lindy Rough fast enough when the team was clearly
not listening to anymore, and that was because he just
so badly wanted it to work out. That's not how
you can make decisions as GM in the league. Hold on,
let me get through a couple of daks. He he
gave up an extra first round pick and the Timo
(04:41):
Myer deal, well what the protected first round pick and
ended up being a second round pick because he didn't
want to give up Alexander Holtz because that was his
first draft pick with the Devils. Ended up losing more
value on Holtz is the year and and it's possible
that the Sharks didn't want him, but it appeared that
the value overvalued Holts to try to keep them. And
(05:03):
we all celebrated that part that he didn't have to
give up Holts in that deal, but he ended up
giving up Mukumadoolan. He gave up, you know, a first
round pick that turned into Musty who looks like he's
gonna be a really good player. And then you know
they're giving up a second round pick as well. Meanwhile,
Bill Ziito had a guy who scored one hundred points,
(05:25):
had Alan Walsh yelling at him because he traded uh
Huberto but to and he traded Huberto and Wiger for
Mathew could Chuck And I remember that this was a conversation,
and and you know, I love to pat myself in
the back, so I'm gonna do it right here, right ahead.
I thought there was better trades to be had. People
(05:45):
were jumping for joy, like like Calgary, like they did
the impossible. They got these two assets that that are fantastic.
I like Wiger Huberto just felt like a product of
the system. And he was I think it was thirty
one at the time. He had to get paid. Give
(06:06):
him eight year deal, seven eight year deal. You know,
I think, uh, Florida saw a poison pill, so I
don't want to deal with that. Gave somebody else to swallow, right,
and I think it was Brad or Living who's now
the Maple Leaves head or GM who actually gave it
to him. They gave him this this crazy contract because
(06:27):
they trade Master Kad Chuck and you kind of look
at but again that that took. You had to have
no emotion in the deal to make that work. Chuck
is clearly the better player two even at the time,
he's the best player in the deal. They made the
(06:48):
big boy move they give him. You know, I think
it was an eight year deal for nine million dollars
per season. Fantastic deal. And now they got this star
level play that they could build around forever. And that
was on top of already having Barkoff, who's a star
level player. Now I think you look at the formula
(07:10):
that Florida is playing by, and I think the Devils
can repeat it. You just have to have brass ones,
You have to have you know, the guts of you know,
you just have to go into it with all of
the guts and taking the risks that makes sense, you know,
(07:32):
like the Sam Bennett deal, the same Reinhard deal, like
both of those, where you're just you're trying to find
distressed assets. You're looking at like the the you know,
things like signing to Mitya Kolakov and signing Adri Greer
and signing players that you're like, I think that this
could work in the right situation, just for Boquist. You know,
(07:53):
all these are former Devils, ironically, but you know, trading
for Seth Jones, right, you're trading with Spencer Night. I
don't remember if Bill Zito gave Sergey bob Rosky that
ten million dollar deal, but you know that that was
considered a psychotic move, and he turned bob Rosky into
a really good goali, into a Hall of Famer, you know,
(08:15):
And and and it's making her to see like they're
gonna probably let Eckblad go for nothing this offseason and
those are the types of things that hurt a team, right,
you know. There there are the types of moves that
you kind of look at you like, eh, we got
nothing for him, but you got you know, you got
the You have the Steeley Cup Championship last year, You're
in the Stanley Cup again this year. Those that is
(08:35):
why Florida is where they are. Bill Zito has made
a plethora of just stunning moves and then when he
loses a piece, he replaces it like systematically, and it's
it's an assembly line of superstars. And I have no
doubt that he's going to trade for JJ Peterka and
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turn him to a star or Trevor Zegris and turn
in into a start. You know, finding these assets that
are not cheap enough contracts that it's a risk, but
it's a calculator risk and one that you can really
and then you bring them in there and you make
them feel like they have a home, Like you could
be ruthless and still make them feel like they have
a home. Look at Vegas. Vegas is ruthless and all
(09:19):
those guys love being there. And it has a lot
more to do with camaraderie and the way that they've
they've structured their system than it does about taxes. Right,
the taxes, I'm not gonna say it means nothing but
to take away the value that Kelly McCrimmon and Bill
(09:39):
Zito and Jim nil have brought to these franchises by
claiming taxes. You know, it's all about having someone great
at the top. And that's the difference. Here's I think
Tom Fitzgerald is a good GM. I don't know if
(10:02):
a good GM could win a Stanley Cup. I think
it has to be a great GM. The problem here,
and you're seeing this ironically in basketball. I think Tom
Thibodeau is a good coach, but good coaches don't. Well,
Jim Azula won, but usually good coaches don't win in
(10:22):
the NBA when you don't have like a Lebron or
a Tatum or something like that. So the Knicks are
now they've taken the risk, right, They've gone all in
to take the risk. The problem is what is the
They have to hire the right coach or they go
the other way. And that's the same thing with the Devils.
(10:44):
If the Devils say replaced Fitzgerald with brodor because I
think brodor is is the next coming of Superstar God GM.
Maybe maybe he makes all the right moves, but it's
just as likely that you go the other and you're
back into a rebuild and you wasted jack Hus's prime.
So are you gonna stick with the good GM knowing
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that he's always gonna give you a chance to get
into the playoffs and then it's kind of like, we'll
see what happens, or are you gonna let him go
and hope that there's a great guy who's gonna get
you over the hump? And I, you know, the decision
has been made for Stir was staying, and I think
it's the right move for now. But I look at
(11:29):
the Eastern con this is what really like put me there.
The Metropolitan Division is is terrible. It's awful, it's not good.
I think the Devils could if they make the right moves,
they could they could dominate the Metropolitan Division. I think
that Carolina is going. Carolina has all this cap space.
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I think they're gonna make a lot of moves. I
think Tolski is an interesting DM. I haven't really like
figured out whether he's great yet. I think he's interesting.
You know, he made the Miko a random move turned
him into stan Covin. I really like stan Covin as
a prospect, but at the end of the day, is
just the second round pick who's playing a little bit
above what we expect them to be. And he went
(12:13):
to Jim Nill, who's a great GM, and signed immediately
eight eight year deal for twelve million dollars, you know,
the day of the trade. So again you're looking at
the difference between a good gym and a great GM.
The Hurricanes have a good GM. Jim Nill is a
great gym, and that's why Dallas is in the Western
Conference finals every year. That's why Pete Deavores on the
(12:35):
chopping block even though they made a Final four. That's
why Jason Robertson's on the trade block because they see
what they have in this collection and they say, hmm,
we're close. Something's off, And I you know, if you
had a great GM, Sam, there's a couple of guys
(12:57):
I'd wonder if they'd stick around. I think a guy
like Jesper Bratt, I love Jesper Bratt, hasn't done a
thing in the playoffs, and I think you you might,
as Tom fitz if you're Bill Zito and you can
(13:19):
go and get a Matthew Kachuck level player. Like if
you're if you're Tom Fitzgerald, are you trading and you
call so you called Dallas, would you offer Jesper Bratt
for Jason Robertson. No, why.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Bratt has earned himself as part of the identity of
the New Jersey Devils. Right, that's emotional, but the game
is but but but this game is emotional.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No, not not for Bill Zeno.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
He has emotional guys doing the dirty work and they
do it every single time.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So do you think that's a Nico problem?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Possibly? Uh, you know, I think Nico has made strides
and progress towards where we want him to be. I
just think a lot of times we're asking him to
do too much because I'm not sure if he's that
type of personality to be the one being that guy.
(14:30):
I think Nico is comfortable, you know, in his own
skin when he does Nico things. I just think that
what the Devils really need is someone that can elevate
(14:53):
each individual player by the sheer presence in the room.
It doesn't have to be a fit fifty to fifty player,
but somebody that can light a fire under their asses
and get the job done. There were times during the
playoffs Devils look frustrated. There's a difference between the Panthers
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and the Devils when they get frustrated. Devils get frustrated.
They get down on themselves very easily. They still try. Yeah,
they still try. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying
that they're mailing it in. They used to, but last
season they didn't and they made the playoffs as a reward.
But I do think that what the Florida Panthers do
(15:43):
in a situation if they were down three to nothing,
they have the players to change the narrative of the game,
like as if that okay, we're down three nothing, let's
turn the page. We're in chapter three. There was an incident,
Chuck collided to this person, pissed off the bench. Now
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you've thrown off their game and suddenly there's one goal.
Now the you're down three to one and then three two,
and the Panthers are coming back. We've seen it time
and time again. They always do it. Remember that time
when Nico accidentally fell on the bark off and they
had to artificially infuriate themselves and went after Nico. They
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didn't win the game, but boy did they get under
Niko's skin. And they didn't mount a comeback in that game,
if you remember that, because I think the Devils were
ahead quite a bit and then they scored a couple
of goals and it's just like, all right, you know,
that's what the Panthers do very well. So if McDavid
and the Oilers are up three to nothing in the
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second period, at the Florida Panthers, at any given moment,
there's a momentum shift somewhere. They got players that make plays,
and they got players that can change the outcome of
the game just by doing all the little things, right.
I mean, that's that's the Florida Panthers right there. By
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the way. Getting back to that stat, remember when I
was raising my hand before before that season, you know,
before they barely made the playoffs the previous season. They
won fifty eight games that season, one hundred and twenty
two points. So you can make an argument.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That the missing what's that they were missing something that team, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Matthew could chuck because that team, you know, I had
the Hubertos and and all that, but.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
They didn't feel like a particularly hard team to play again.
From what I remember, yeah, they were, and if you
remember the bottom of the Atlantic divisit was From what
I remember, I think it was terrible that year.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But can you believe right now, say, if the Panthers
win the Stanley Cup this year, that Florida teams would
be would have legitimate argument for being both dynasties from
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from twenty twenty on or maybe yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, so I covered that Lightning team and they
had a similar similar run, right they they had that
twenty nineteen year where they were the most dominant team
in the league, you know, barely ever lost, and then
long that was either they lost in their first run
to Columbus. So you got you basically, you get punched
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in the mouth, right, you get high in your high
in your own supply, you're you think that you're everything right,
and then you get punched in the mouth, which happened
to the Panthers in twenty twenty two, and you know
that that you don't have the right formula to win
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in the playoffs. I don't see an example in a
long time of a team that doesn't have that same story,
like even Edmonton had the punched in the mouth a
couple of times too. You know, they had the miraculous
(19:22):
run in twenty twelve right where where Larson and McDavid
and all them got them to the Western Conference final
and everybody was like, oh great, like Edmonston's here. They
kind of like never really like put it all together again.
But recently they've been getting to the Western Confege final.
Most years they're they're in the final back to back.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yea, well they should be because for years they were
getting first overall picks.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know, it was just that good on the team
except for McDavid, Hall and Larson are both gone. What's
his name? Yakapav was nothing. He was a total bust.
Nugent Hopkins is that he's a fine player. It's not like,
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is he a top thirty player in the league. I
don't think so, you know, but they got McDavid, who
is the number one player in the league, the best
player in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Which misses off because it was just so unfair at.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That right, he was right, he was the fourth one.
I think David was the fourth one. But either way, yeah,
Edmonton's weird because Edminton's made a lot of mistakes in
(20:46):
their uh in their roster building. They they paid Darnell
there's like a top defenseman and he's not. You know.
They they gave decent money to Vander Kaine and it's
not really working out, you know. And dry Settle was
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what a third overall pick maybe talked about this last week.
So you know, it's when you're constantly picking that high
and again pot calling the kettle black. With the Devils,
we've had a lot of high picks too, but I
think when you're looking at how they've built their team,
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it's nothing. I don't want the Devils to emulate that
outside of building around your top two centers.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, the Devils have always emulated after the Pittsburgh Penguins,
they followed that model to a t. They tank.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't know anymore though. I don't know if you
win that way anymore though, And.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's the problem that that's the big problem. But even
though it was Pittsburgh Penguins teams, you know, when they
won the you know, they made the Stanley Cup finals
against the Red Wings, that Sidney Crosby's first Cup finals.
They lost to the Red Wings. Eventually they beat them.
You know, the next following year they added that snarl
(22:19):
to that team. I mean that team had some beef
to it. If you remember Brooks or Pick, I mean
that guy was nasty. They had some nastiness on the Yeah,
and they improved. The problem is they got hurt. That
was that was a big issue in the second round.
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I'm sorry in the first round just they just the
first game they got hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I agree in the playoffs, that's not the excuse. In
the second half of the season, there were serious roster
flaws that when Jack Hughes was still here, when and
there was there's injuries here and there, like got her,
mark Strom got hurt. I think Halla was dealing with something.
(23:06):
I think Thar was saying with something. But the problem
is that the the demastrated Curticials are to be like
a mcleoud like fill in. Right, he's gonna play wing,
but if you need to play center, then that's fine.
When you lost mcleoud due to getting arrested, you then
(23:28):
just were like, Okay, well the guy we brought in
to replace him is now just going to be the starter.
It's like, no, you brought him in to be the
fill in and then you over and then you had Halla,
who was also kind of this fill in center guy.
You know, sometimes he'd behind Jack Hughes Lyne. Sometimes he'd
be in the third line. You took away all of
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your center mobility and you have none in the Ahl
Ryan Schmeltzer, and you know, like the centers you have
the AHL aren't good. No offense to them, I'm sorry,
let me they're not NHL players. So you had no
depth of the position. And Halla and Lazar fill up
the map, fill off the map, and I do think
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they both got hurt, but like that happens, and then
that's why you're playing Justin Dowling for this year, Justin
Dowing played playoff games, and you're losing face offs left
and right, which I think face offs are more important
that people give them credit for.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You just don't have, like you have no depth of position.
In twenty twenty three, you had five guys, six or seven.
You had six or seven guys who could play center.
And then when you I love putting center on wing
because I think they just play smarter. They know the PSI,
they know what position to be in, they understand to
fill That was the thing about the twenty twenty two
(24:49):
to twenty three Devils. That was so impressive is how
they filled space. And we have a lot of centers
on the ice, like they're just intrinsically built to fill
that space, while a winger is built to play at
his position. And I think that I think that one
of the things that the Devils really need to do
(25:10):
is go after centers. And if they play on the wing, great,
you know, like a Jared McCann. Great, it would be
a great addition to this team. You know, Yanni Gord
would have made a lot of sense. He just for
something like are you I don't want to give him
six years? That's the thing too, It's like these free
agent contracts that are being given out prior to for
agency starting like to Yanni Gordon brock Nielson, Like these
(25:33):
centers are getting these psychotic deals that are you know
you've used this termorry, but they're a poison pill, like
there's there there. It reminds me of the Jeremy Lynn
deal when when he got that twelve million dollars third
year and the next like I'm not give him that
and they let him go to the Rockets.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's there's these aspects like giving six years to Yanni
gord Is just to bring us a v down now,
But like you know, you're gonna to pay for that
three years maybe two, give me brock Nelson three years
at seven point five million dollars. Devils couldn't do that.
Brock Nelson doesn't make the Devil's Stanley Cup contender. So
(26:14):
I don't see a reason I couldn't even sit here
and tell you that the Devils are a definite playoff team.
If all you did was add brock Nelson to this team.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh, I would totally agree with it. To me, it's
it's not the talent right now. I think a lot
of it is the mindset and attitude of this team.
You know, they sometimes but I like what Keith does
with that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I like Sheldon Kee's attitude, I do.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I like the place, but he's not on the ice.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Nick, you know, so won't make your ideal free agent?
Do you want like Sam Bennett? Like, what are you
looking for?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Sam Bennett is way too expensive, that's out of control spending.
I don't know. I don't know the solution. I'm just
saying that they don't. They don't have the right players
at the moment. They've got a good core group they
just need to. It really all boils down to the
bottom six. The bottom six is just you know, they
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brought in is it Brian Shaw? Is that his name?
Uh to is that his name? Nick? I don't think no, Yeah,
now I'm gonna look it up because it isn't he.
I think Brian Shaw is a basketball player from the past.
(27:38):
Help me out, guys, help me out on the YouTube
live Bradshaw. Yeah, they brought in Bradshaw, you know, for
the defense essentially, but places mcgil Yeah that I'm interested, Like,
I'm not worried about goaltending and defense right now, although
(27:59):
I'm just be worrying about the health of of Dylan.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But is a great coach. I think it's a great
a great assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, But you know, Ted says culture and organizational identity.
It really is. I don't even know what the Devil's
brand of hockey is right now. You know they mark.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
They basically put four brands and then put in a mixer.
This year they tried to be twenty things.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But if they played as one as a team like
Stanley Cup teams, Stanley Cup winning teams in the past.
They all may have great individual players, but when come
playoff time, they like came together as one uh and
(28:54):
and could shut down could shut down any offense because
they played collective team defense. Uh, they stepped it up.
They're blocking shots, They're wearing out poplands, I mean, geez.
I mean. You know one team that I thought that
(29:15):
played really well during the playoffs but then fell to
the Oilers. It was Dallas Stars. I mean they were
always playing on an edge. I mean that first series
against Colorado, they were down in Game seven and then
somebody decided to turn on the after burners and that
was ratting, you know, to prove a point. And that
(29:40):
was that was That was probably one heck of apperiod. Yeah,
you know of hockey there. Game sevens are fun. But
the way Rattnan basically took over, he went took it
into another gear.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It was almost shown by Colorado like they didn't know
what to do, you know, they got punched the out yep.
I'm I'm trying to play out a scenario that fixes this.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Now. I'm just saying that without adding any players. I
do think that Nico and Timo Meyer, their experience in
the world, is going to help tremendously next season. If
they get in the playoffs because the way tim Omyer
was playing, I mean, he was playing with such focus
(30:34):
just watching a couple of the games that I think
tim O Meyer is going to be better next season.
I think he's comfortable in New Jersey right now. I
think he's adjusted, you know, and I think he's going
to improve on what he's what he's done so far.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna build off that because I like that.
I think you need to make Timo Meyer a leader
of this team. I think tim O Myyer is holding
something back and kind of trying to let Jack Hughes
or Nico Hescher, whoever's I was like cook and when
he was on that bumb Panthers team, was like, I
guess I'll do it myself. He scored forty goals, you know.
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I know part of that was on the Devils, but
he came to the Devils who were already made system
and he kind of like he was trying to find
himself and he found a role in the playoffs of
being the instigator and he and he dove into it
and he was really good at it. But you know,
he he holds his stick too hard on offense. He
(31:38):
clear he's he's trying to be something he's not. He's
not playing loose. Here's what I would do if I'm
the Devils first and foremost, like trade Andre Pilot. He's
not what you thought he was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You thought he was gonna not gonna be easy.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's gonna be very easy. I'm telling you it's gonna
be very easy. It's gonna be very easy. I think
you're gonna get a second round pick for him.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I think you're gonna a second round pick for
Andre Pallott. I think you and I think they eat
the whole contract. I don't think whoever this team is
not gonna care. But you brought it Ondre plot because
you thought he's gonna be that standing cup experience. You
thought he was gonna bring that attitude, and you thought
he was going to be the guy that pulled them
out of the duldrums. But I'm telling you something happened
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when he tore his groin in that for I think
it was November of that first year that he was
here where he lost some confidence, he lost some skill,
and it like the collection doesn't work anymore. But he
still fills a decent role and with a rising cap.
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He's probably a five million dollar player with a rising cap.
He's not that to the Devils, but he could be
that to the Ducks. He could be that to the
Red Wings. He could be that to the Canucks. He
could be that to the Senators. Like, I think there's
a couple of teams out there that would be willing
to similar to what the Devils did, where they didn't
get Johnny Gudrouz, they gave them bring the plot. I
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think you could see a team that strikes out on
Marner or Bennett who's like, okay, like, let me try
to get a guy who brings that type of attitude.
You know, plots to know where near as good as Marner.
But I think you could get a guy who's trying
to get the same bit of attitude and you go
after plot. So but you gotta get him out. And
(33:33):
no offense to the guy. I like him as a
person on the team. He's just he just didn't bring
what I thought he was gonna bring. So that opens
up the a the assistant whatever was associated what.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Is I always called the alternate captain. That's an ultimate
people call assistant.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think it's I think assistant's wrong and I couldn't
remember it, but alternate the alternate captain. You put that
a right on Timo Meyer and you if I'm Sheldon Keith,
I walk up to him and I was like, you're
a leader on this team. Act like it. Act like
a leader. Tell people when they're not doing something right,
Tell the other team to get off your star players.
(34:13):
Drop kick a guy if you have to, you know,
And and I think you gotta give him a little
credence to be be you be the be kind of
you know, bring a little They said, they want to
know what d heads and I don't know how to
say this, but they Tom Fitzgerald said the word last year.
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They don't want any of those on the team. I
kind of want one, and I want Tiamo Meyer to
be that guy. Give him the a that so it
opens up six million dollars and also it it gives
facilities to tim Omyer to be this dude. You're gonna
use that six million dollars to get two players to
fill the bottom six. I think you should go off
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to Jared McCann. I think he's the type of player
that's really gonna fit this system really well. I think
there's other players you can get. I think I talked
about Zaka on a previous podcast. I'm a little bit
off of that, just because I'm trying to get a
different type of attitude from our players. But I'm trying
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to think like, because you're gonna want to trade for
these players, you're not gonna want to sign them because
I think free agency is gonna be off its rocker
this year. But I want McCann. You know, all the
guys that really worked out got recent Like york Stan
would have been great but he resigned. You know what
(35:39):
would be interesting?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Who's that?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
What do you think about bringing back Blake Coleman.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Again? I I like Blake Coleman. It's just my my
thing is I don't like second tour duty with Blake, right.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So you see the same thing about like Sharon Govic,
he plays center. I'm over him. I'm over him too, Okay.
I'm just trying to think of team like the like
it would be like I would say, like go get
ta Varis, but is gonna resign in Toronto?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Is what they need on the bottom six.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I just don't think I just won't take a deepen
in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Look, I don't, Yeah, I know, but that's what I think.
So you know, I gotcha. Drew would be an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I think Drew would be a good player here, giving
him a year or two, bringing him back to like,
you know, I'm sure he still has a house in
the Philly area. There's you know, there's a couple of
guys I have to really really dig into, like who
I want. But I just don't think you're gonna get
(36:56):
those stars. You know I want it's Quinn Hughes, but
I think the stars, no pun intended. But like I
would love Jason Robinson, I don't think they're gonna be
the ones to do it, just because of the contract
that's coming. No, you have to pay Luke, knowing you
want to save money for Quinn, Giving eight figures to
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a forward's never played for you is a scary proposition,
you know. I know Mason Marchmant is a guy people
like I'd be like, that's fine. But you know, I
think that the Devils have a long offseason. I think
I want them to look at the Panthers and learn
lessons from Bill Zito. I don't want them to learn
(37:42):
lessons from the roster. Don't try to be the Panthers.
Learn lessons about the moves that Bill Zito makes and
why he makes them. Don't learn lessons like I need
to find my Sam Bennett. No, No, you need to
find young players who are in sitch as where they're failing.
I would look at Buffalo, just like Florida didn't say, Yeah, Poterica,
(38:07):
I the guy who's not living up. But there's a
reason for that, you know, and Ottawa was smart to
do that with Cousins, right. And you know, a guy
like Josh Norris would be interesting, but his contract is psychotic.
You know. You know what's saying. There's a guy who
I want, but it is the risk of the century.
(38:31):
It is the type of move that will win you
a cup or sends you in the hole. Do you
know who I want them to target.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Sydney Crosby.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think Sidney Crosby would be I think he's I
think he has five more years left being really good.
So I don't think there's any issue at Sidney. I
would love Sidney Carsby. He's not going. No, I chew
on this for a second before you react. I think
you're initial reaction is gonna be negative, but hear me out.
I want Mark Stone. He is the type of attitude
(39:11):
that you want. He is the type of player that
you want. He's everything you don't have on this roster.
He immediately makes all four lines better because you're pushing
everything down.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
He is.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I think when healthy, he's the perfect compliment to Jack Hughes.
When he's unhealthy, he's the perfect compliment in Nicohesia. So
when he's playing hurt, I think he fits anywhere in
the lineup. I think he's so valuable. Obviously he can't
stay healthy, and obviously he's cost nine million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Are friendly like he helped the Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I just look at that that player and like, again,
it's a risk because like, are these injuries going to
compound and take away some of his town But they
haven't so far. When he plays in the play house,
he's great.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Well, first off, is he gonna be a free agent?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
No, you'd have to trade front Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So yeah, But number one, you know, when I mentioned Marshawn,
I mean that's more realistic than this, this scenario that
you want. But I would agree. I would agree with
you on many levels. I just don't know if you
can actually poach him out of pull him out of Vegas.
(40:36):
I just think it's near.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think Vegas wants as much as they say they don't,
I think Vegas wants Warner. I think if they get Marner,
they trade Stone. If they tell Stone they don't want
him anymore, he might waive his no move cost. The
problem there is that to get him to waves no
move costs, he he'd have to go to a place
he wants to go, and he has no real ties
(40:59):
to New Jersey, and like looking it up to see if,
like for any reason he'd have a tie in New Jersey.
But you know, played on the Brandon weak Kings. I
don't think there's any other Devils that played in the
weak Kings. It's from Winnipeg, so like I don't know
if there's any man on the team from Winnipeg, you know.
(41:19):
But again, six' three, pounds he's still close to a
point per, game, player hard knows and a. Leader he's
gonna get the guys out of. Funks BUT i don't
disagree with what you're, Saying like it's it's a very
unrealistic proposition That i'm putting forth BUT i.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Liked BUT i like the point that you're trying to
make that type of. Player you gotta go for. It
AND i don't know what it would.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Cost it might cost a, lot but it might. Not
vegas is known for being, like we just don't want
to pay him by million dollars, anymore and you might get,
like you, know there's a bad example probably for other,
people but you might see what like The predators Sold
Sue ban because they want to get out of his
nine many dollar. Deal speaking is too? Bad can we
just talk about how crazy it is That Steve santini
(42:07):
is still SIGNING anhl.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Contracts, WOW i haven't heard that name in.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Years he's signed a two year deal with The. Lightning. Wow,
AH i, WOULD i would floored he was. ON i
wrote a list this year by guys you had no
idea they're still PLAYING nhl. Games Steve santini is playing
AN ahl. Games, crazy you.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Know he kind of reminds, me kind of reminds me
of the obscure, backup backup quarterback in THE nfl that
just hangs around and collects checks and doesn't even really get.
Noticed but it's still hanging around and collecting.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Checks, yeah like Case. Keenum, yes, yeah but the difference
is he's more like remember With John David booty kept getting,
checks never played a. Game that's That's. Santini, yeah but,
(43:08):
YEAH i you, KNOW i think uh.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Or was there a guy named last? Name wasn't there
A barkley FROM usc the quarterback On Matt? Barkley, yeah
didn't he collect a lot of? Checks get?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Did and that was a crazy. Thing he was supposed
to be a guy that was at like the top
of the draft and he decided to come back for
one more. Year he was his coaches talked him into,
it and he. Tanked it fell to the sixth round
and he never became. Anything it was. Crazy that story is. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Now he didn't play. Much he didn't hardly play it at.
All but if you remember it was his, Name Davis,
webb you, know he was on The, giants but he
worked his butt off in. Practice he was like the
rudy you, know first in last, out but never, played
but did all the dirty work in practice and scouting
(43:59):
tans and just to wait for a chance and finally
got it With, buffalo you, know to live out that.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Dream so, yeah, Listen Jared lorenzen made it all the
way to THE nfl Have, yeah you, know there's there's
there's a lot of great, stories these these small.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Guys but that's not WHAT i want for The. DEVILS
i WANT i WANT i want you to go. ALL
i want you to make the. MOVE i want you
to just shock the. WORLD i, think because here's the.
THING i know The hurricanes are gonna. Do The hurricanes
are gonna improve the. ROSTER i know The rangers are
gonna do everything in their power to make that team.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Better.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
ABSOLUTELY i know The islanders want to push for. It
they're Not they're not sitting. BACK i know The penguins
are gonna do some interesting. THINGS i think that they
just don't want to just like they're gonna go for
one more. Time they're gonna try to reset on The carlson,
thing make him go away and try to make a
round with this team one more. Time washington's in talks
(45:09):
with to Get Marco rossi from From. Minnesota they're not
resting on The loyals after a playoff. Disappointment you Know
montreal is gonna go after. It if you want to
talk about teams on the fringes in The Atlantic ottawa
is not satisfied with their playoff. Appearance they're gonna go for.
It BUT i don't THINK i, mean you, Know boston
(45:33):
might be the. Surprise boston might just do the. Rebuild,
say and if that's the, case then If Pastor knock becomes,
available that's a player you Trade bratt. For. Yeah i'm
not trying to Trade. Bratt i'm not trying to Trade,
bratt but For David, pasternack even with that. Salary make
(45:53):
it work. Anyway remember what just blun away pucks and
pitchworks dot. Com we have so Much. Sam we just
put up a new story About Tom fitzgerald's comments On Jake.
Allen so go To buckspittricks dot com to see What
(46:15):
Tom fitzgerald just said About Jake. Allen he had he
made comments About Luke. Hughes, uh we're gonna be writing
about that as. WELL i talked about Brock nelson earlier. Today,
uh last NIGHT i wrote an interesting. Story what would
it look like what three signingsold The devil's make if
they just didn't care about the future and they went
(46:36):
all in on twenty twenty. Three what three signings could
make it look? Like, basically Yelling Leroy jenkins and going
to fight the, Monsters like what does that look? Like
uh so three signings, there that's on pucks and pittsworcks right.
Now AND i have so much free agency articles coming,
(46:58):
up draft articles coming, up trade articles coming, up and
we're gonna be, reacting you, know the combines coming up this.
Week you're gonna hear so many rumors and we're gonna
react to. Them i'm not above reacting to. RUMORS i
never have been AND i never will. BE i love
talking about this. STUFF I I i love your.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Gossip Arm is that what you're trying to tell? Me?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah when it's, Not when it's, not you, know when
you sign up to be a hockey, player trade rumors
are a part of the. Deal that's kind of like
the lowest of hanging fruit That i'll. Do you, know
those are the conversations That i'll get. Into But i'm
also gonna write about. Tonight you, know The devil's broke
a record For Devil's Youth foundation, Donations so we gonna
(47:48):
write about.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
That, wow bucksom bitch forest dot com ALREADY i have
nothing to plug. Really Then i'm watching The Stanley cup
finals right after this podcast are about? It? ME i.
Might i've Been i've been goingeing On twitter, lately.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
All, right crazy, stuff, Yeah Sam bennett a million dollars
yeah or ye five?
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Million MAYBE i should start trolling sometimes that works.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Gets people.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Going. Yeah all. RIGHT i want to thank all those
tuning in dropping the podcast at. Midnight until next, time
let's Go devils
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