June 11, 2025 • 24 mins
We discuss the very interesting brouhaha between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. We look at clips from sky news and Dr. Drew to review the characteristics of the conflict from a libertarian standpoint but more importantly the issues of family dynamics that appear to be involved for Elon Musk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You're listening to the podcast Coffee with Mike and Julie
Libertarians Talk Psychology.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
This is current commentary from an NBA businessman and a
PhD psychologist.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Tom.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
So.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It's big news now the blow up between Elon Musk
and Trump. And it's really not between them. Elon Musk
has had a blow up, so everybody's talking about it.
And do you remember when I said that they're going
to have a blow up before because what you could
see was the dramatic intensity was really very sweet. Actually,
(00:43):
and I think I had heard by that time when
I saw Trump and Elon Musk interacting, I think I
had heard a little bit about Elon Musk having a
troubled relationship with his father. I don't know if that's
true or not. I don't know where I heard that.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Leave it after seeing some footage of his father speaking
for sure, believe it?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
You believe it well. Almost everybody has a troubled relationship
with one parent or the.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Other, usually the father.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It's people who don't have a troubled relationship like they're
the oddity. But I had heard that, and then I
saw the affection in Elon Musk for Trump. There's this
clip of Trump walking with little Lex to a helicopter.
I mean, it is just endearing. And trub makes a
great grandfather for that little boy, and he makes a
(01:36):
great father figure for you, ar Musk. But I think
I may have told you that this is going to
blow up because you don't get that much intensity without
getting the opposite reaction center or later.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You focused more on the father's son type stuff, family stuff, family.
But at the time we talked about this, we also
talked about two big domina mays. And you know the
domineering dominant males often.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, you remember this story I had of the client
that I mean young men compete with the father. I
mean they have to dominate the father, sooner or later
they break away from the father. The client I had
was a kind of epic story. He put up with
his father's abuse of his mother and then when he
got to be I don't know, a young teenager, kind
(02:27):
of an older teenager, he pulled a gun on his
father said if you touch her again, I'll kill you,
and the father straightened up and never touched the other again.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But there are examples of sons killing fathers over that
same shit.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, so family dynamics are very, very complicated and very tough.
And when you just saw that much affection, and I
wonder if Trump saw it coming. I do think we
can talk about.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
He had to have had people telling him, look, don't
be surprised if this blows up, but I want to
come You mentioned your business experience. I experienced it in
our engineering. As the next generation of management started started maturing,
they not to where they asserted themselves over the original
(03:14):
listing management.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That's right to the point of these.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Are forces psychologists call forces dynamics, but family dynamics and
interpersonal dynamics. I mean, there's always that striving for superiority.
So what you're saying, and what I'm saying, what you're
hearing me say, and what I'm hearing you say, is
a lot of this is very normal. Yeah, it's just
we are used to seeing it as the clash of
(03:39):
the titans. We aren't used to seeing it out in
public where it's sturdy laundries being lost. But it's fascinating.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Usually what we see as a president who makes sure
to have a vice president who cannot challenge him, who
is a weak vice president and does not challenge and
that isn't Trump's style, well, doesn't appear to be. He
has associated with strong vice president and a strong elong mush.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah. So it's just a fascinating situation, and it's moving fast.
This is early June, and we're actually on the wrong day.
We're doing our podcasts. We're taping our podcasts on a Sunday,
and it changed since we would have taped it last.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Weekdays, just in those few days.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
So it may change again, it may change many many times.
But there I've found a couple of pretty good clips
and we can discuss more about it. Okay, the first
clip is from sky News. Ketamine has worn off, Elon
Musk deletes post on X following Trump, and it starts
at about two minutes thirteen seconds. Let's play this one first.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Put that entirely first. But you know, the key thing,
everybody has to revery for all the entertaining. It's really
been a lot of fun watching this whole thing blow up,
the big provance, the big divorce, Mommy and daddy are
fighting again. But here's the thing, like this all really
exposes a really big split within the Republican Party because
you've got that kind of tech libertarian side and you've
(05:09):
got the Trump side, which is actually much more politically
realistic because you know, the big issue was this big
beautiful bill that Donald Trump is pushing through, which is
basically secure as the tax cuts that he put into
place in his first term of office. Gets a lot
of spending cuts, but not as much as they need,
but they get some. So it's a real politics. Is
(05:30):
the out of the possible bill. Musk just decided to
have this huge tantrum and there is no other word
for it. And you know, here's the crazy thing though,
as you say, Rita, Musk mistook money for power. Trump
understands power more than anybody else. The reason why the
left hates him is that, unlike most people on the right,
(05:50):
he really does understand the nature of power. And he
mustle thought. Musk thought that he'd had was on this
huge winner, and all the Libertarians and everybody like that,
we're gonna come out and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
don't want the big beautiful bill. We want this sort
of big extreme bill which doesn't even exist. When you know,
and you know what happened the Hill newspaper, it's like
the trade paper for Capitol Hill. They called over a
(06:13):
dozen Congressional offices, from senior leaders to backbenches, and they
said they'd gotten maybe between all of them, one or
two calls from must people say hey, you know, go
against the Big Beautiful Bill. So Musk wildly overplayed his head.
Why he did what he was on at the time,
I don't know. But there's all this other crazy stuff too.
You know, there are stories now coming out. You had
(06:34):
Steve Bannon the other day saying that Elon Musk got
into a punch up with Scott Besant, the Treasury secretary
in the West wing. This is how nuts things have
gotten it the other things.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Okay, I want to stop there and say that I
agree with Elon Musk about the Big Beautiful Bill. And
you've said you don't like the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Libertarians, Cellar, it's more subtle than that. And I'll explain, okay, libertarians.
And I'm glad that he brought up libertarians.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I thought that was.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Libertarians are purists. Libertarians know that the right way to
do things is to have some sort of balanced budget,
and that we're headed in the long direction. If we
just increase our debt, increase the budget, we're still headed
in the long direction. Elon Musk did a great wake
up call. This was a great opportunity in our lifetime.
(07:27):
If we were ever going to control Congress, this was it. Yeah,
and Elon Musk showed the corruption in government. So this
was the big opportunity to make a big change in
the way our leaders address government. And the big beautiful
bill does not comply with that. It continues to increase
(07:49):
government spending. And Elon Musk lost his shit over and
Libertarians lose their shit over it because they're correct about
that being the correct way to handle government. It's just
not the way our system is settled. And Trump knows
that you've got increased spending. If you're going to make
all these legislators happy and.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Keep the House in the Senate, keep it all and
there's a midterm coming up.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Keep it all together.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Now we are headed towards some sort of cliff if
we don't change somewhere along the way.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, so Eli Musk had an important point to May
and I guess he's shined a light on it, making
a stink and made everybody think about it. But practically
there's nothing you can do until they do have a
budgeting bill. This isn't a budgeting bill. This is a
reconciliation bill. I'm well, it's true. I don't have the
(08:43):
same strong feelings as a libertarian you have. I want
to give Trump four years to correct the ship, and
I don't expect him to turn the Titanic by turning
the wheel one turn. So I'm a little more trusting
of this. I think he's going to pump the economy
so fast and hard, and the economics of the economy
are going to soften the issue with the debt, and
(09:05):
he's going to have a little more slack in the
system to play with when he gets down to the budgeting.
I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I'm glad that we have that to look forward to,
but it won't make a difference unless they pass a
balanced budget of money.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I tend to agree with you, it's not going to
make a difference. If they can screw with us later
on down the road, they'll.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Just keep spending more money. Yeah, Hey, we're making the
country is more profitable than we ever thought possible. Let's
we spend more money.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, totally agree with that. Fear So, back to the
family dynamics, it was really something to watch the affection
between Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It was sweet.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It was sweet. It was sweet, and I could see
Elon was definitely projecting father issues.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
We're so unexpected too, to see these two big shots
be so sweet with each other.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah. I watched the rocket take off and Trump was over.
Elon had invited in there. Elon was like a proud son.
Trump was asking questions about the rocket.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
And openly stating love for each other.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
They used the word load.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I didn't see that right.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
At least Elon did. I think Trump did too.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Elon bringing his children and Trump, you know, being sweet
with the little kids, and he's just sweet. I hate
to see it come to an end. I will comment
now before the next clip that Trump seems to be
handling this very well, a.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Lot better than I thought he would.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know all the details about what he posted
on x and apparently Elon has deleted some of his posts.
This bizarre claim that Trump is involved in Epstein files,
that's pretty ridiculous because if he had been involved, they'd
have gotten him by now.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, they would have gotten along before.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
They got him on how he tied his shoelaces. They
would have gotten him on that. And plus he booted
Epstein out of mar A Lago because as Epstein was
hitting on a young girl or daughter of one of
the friends of Trump. I mean, Trump knows he was
a nasty creed, nasty. He's a creek. And you can
say Trump is a lot of things which Kent say
(11:11):
he's a creek. I mean he's a monogamous marriage person.
I mean he's a womanizer, but I don't think.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He went after this one monogamy after.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
A serial monogamy with supermodels, like the equivalent of a
harem in steps.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And it's amazing to me how he can find such
competent people on his staff, females who are drop dead
gorgeous lawns with the makeup and everything.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
You got me, He's like competence and beauty. He knows
how to find him.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
He does.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They all look like supermodels. Okay, let's look at the
family dynamics. Okay. This next clip is Elin Musk Asperger's
analyzed by doctor Drew Pinski. That's from Newsmax. I'm gonna
start at the beginning and play the whole clip.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
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Speaker 8 (12:18):
I talked about Elon Musk in twenty twenty one on
Saturday Night Live. During the monologue, he told the world
that he has Asperger's syndrome. Based what we've seen over
the last forty eight hours. I'm just wondering what sort
of some of the side effects or symptoms of that
could be, and how that could relate to some of
the behavior that we've witnessed over the last few days.
Speaker 9 (12:42):
And the comedy of that Saturday Loge monologue where he
announced as he has essentially autistic spectrum discorder, and again
we thought of controversy about how we.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Categorize these things and is this really a pathology or not,
but he identified it as such and these went on
to say, you've.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Heard me talk.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
How did you heard me speak? That's what that is
and what you're seeing that odd patter of speech. But
the main thing with Aspergers is a difficulty with reading
social cues, and that could be contributed to what we see.
You know, it's his social media out per Sue Leaps.
But I suspected something a little different, which.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is that if you've read his biography, this man will
go on these hypomannic binges where he worked for days
at a time without sleeping.
Speaker 11 (13:22):
There's all these descriptions of his relentlessness, him struggling with
the problem at six pm, sitting on the side of
the bend and his wife waiting up at five AEVI
and he's still in the same position that he was
at at six pm, having not moved the entire time.
Hypomedia is something that many very successful people have.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The risk with it, though, is that a case you
flip into media where there's irritability, you add in sort
of a lack of risk.
Speaker 11 (13:47):
Assession they can't quite knowledge risk, and then auxism.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
On top of that, where there might be a difficulty
really understanding the impact of what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (13:56):
It all kind of has that flavor and dazzy bipolar.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Is he not knowing?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But it kind of looks like he's whipped into kind
of an abnormal state here And it was Trump yesterday
just sort of tossed it off, like you know, seems
to be a Trump derangements syndrome.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
The kicksums, but people leave Washington, So I think this
thing will resolve.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I'm so glad that you were able to be with
us tonight. You're right, Donald Trump was surprisingly restrained on
social media. My team put together a list of some
of the symptoms and side effects of aspersion. And by
the way, Elon Musk incredibly successful, the richest man in
the history of our thesis as human beings, I'm remarkable.
(14:35):
Social difficulties, repetitive behavior, narrowed interest, difficulty developing friendships, difficulty
with change, emotional difficulties, and social awkward bass I thought
the difficulty would change. Is fascinating because think about what
just happened. He's no longer part of the administration. Yeah,
it could be part of it again.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
It's but it's not the whole story.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
There's more going on and how he got flicked into
this ability and sort of inflation.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
We call it our agitation. There's a lot of ways
you can get there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I do suspect somebody will brown hadrid from let's
let's get it back together. Heren't wortunate if this happened. Look,
it's he's all those strengths that he has. And I
admire Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Like I read his biography.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Please do you'll you'll you'll really love this man, but
he has liabilities, and I think we'll steeped out right now.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Yeah, And I think maybe that's already happened this morning.
The tweets were fast and furious like they were late yesterday,
but this afternoon it quieted down, or at least it
felt that way. I could be wrong, or at least
felt that way.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So that's a pretty good analysis, I think. And it
doesn't really go into the family dynamics. Obviously. Elon Musk
is a very very high functioning individual, whether he gets
into hypomanic phases or not. I mean, he's proven his
worth in his life. You know, when you listen to
him talk. The thing I like about it, and this
(15:58):
is probably the autism spectrum. He cuts to the chase
and his thinking and his talking. He doesn't put a
lot of fluff in his speech. He answered a question
somebody said, why aren't you continue to work in the government?
He said, I've done enough. Just that simple statement. And
he says a statement. He says a sentence, and he
puts a period at the end of it, and he
(16:19):
doesn't say anything else that could be the aspergers. You know,
he doesn't flower it up. He doesn't spin it, he
doesn't push the issue, he doesn't repeat himself, and I
have a feeling he thinks that way too, So he
thinks in tight bundles, so you know, listen to do
and speak. He has kind of a halting speech pattern.
(16:40):
I don't think that's Aspergers, but it could be. I'm
not a specialist in Aspergers, but I do understand the
autism spectrum disorder. So back to the family dynamics and
then we can wrap it up. I wanted to say
this about family dynamics. This all good, all bad phenomena
where somebody is all good and can do no wrong.
(17:02):
That's projecting the positive, and then it flips and you
project the negative, and then the person can be on
This is what is characteristic as honeymoon, you know, and
everything is filtered through a positive view, and then all
of a sudden you have everything filtered through a negative view.
And that happens to human beings. That's all good or
(17:24):
all bad. Causes communication if there's a difference of opinion,
if there's a true conflict that needs to be resolved.
For instance, I don't think there is with Elon Musk.
I mean, I don't think that he can go and
criticize the Trump's bill and have that go anywhere. I
think one of Trump's posts was, I wish you'd have
said something earlier. But I think that was just respectful.
(17:48):
It's like, if you were going to criticize He kind
of said, if you were going to criticize the bill,
maybe you should have criticized it in the beginning. But
I don't think Trump meant that. I think that was
just respect But when you have a conflict, a real conflict,
when you know, when I'm working, we used to work
with a couple or a father son or father daughter
(18:08):
or mother son mother daughter, getting each side to understand
that there's strengths and weaknesses to the other person, strengths
and weaknesses to their position. That was always the first step.
That was getting to yes, required some acceptance of the
humanness of the other person.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
When I would see people al those blindly being loyal
to the point of being silly, I always assumed it
was loyalty to our side versus loyalty to the others.
It could be, and I'm sure it is lots of time.
What's your point is, it's also a human trait to
be a little overly positive, and then it's also a
(18:50):
human trait to flip it and be overly negative.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, and then you begin to rewrite history, which you
see in Elon Musk. He's rewriting history claiming that somehow
Trump is involved in the Epstein files, you know, which
is kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I think he's just trying to gig Trump.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I think he just don't think he believes it, and
I don't and I know Trump, I think he believes it.
There's no believability in that.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Well, my point is is that he believes it for
a short period of time. Because he's in that frame.
Everything Trump does is bad. And the intensity, you know,
I'm glad I told you that this is going to
blow up, because the intensity predicts the height of the negative,
the height of the positive. Love, hate, You know that
(19:40):
each one is intense. Hate is not the opposite of love.
I mean, Elon may be feeling very let down and
disappointed by the father figure, and he's exaggerating all the negatives.
He's superently coming out of it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Though, I prefer to believe that Elon Musk was hopeful
that Doge and all the accomplishment he made with Doge
would flip Trump and Congress and everybody and the public
would flip everyone to understand what it was going to
take to fix the company. Yeah, and they didn't even budge.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
They didn't even budge. And I think.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Elon must stuck by his guns as long as he
possibly could before he said I can't take this.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, there's some logic to what he's done. It makes sense.
He's like, how come you can't run this country in
a frigging correct way? I mean, to him, it looks
like a bunch of craziness. And you have to understand
that as a libertarian, it's like, can you not balance
a damn budget? And you know what you described earlier,
(20:48):
where they constantly spend as much as they have to spend.
It's disgusting to a libertarian, It's absolutely disgusting. It's like,
when are you gonna learn your damn lesson? Don't spend
what you don't have. And it is critical, and he's right,
and you're right that it has to be addressed. It
(21:10):
just needs to be addressed. In my view, it has
to be addressed in a way that considers the politics. Yeah,
you can't cut your throat, and.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
That is the difference between Trump and Mosque. Is the
realism of politics, Yeah, which Elon has a hard time with.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
But I want to bring up one other thing.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Okay, good people keep talking.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
About the four B chess.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Do you perceive any kind of four dimensional chess going
on that come down that they are playing a game? Almost?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
No, because I don't see that, because this is predictable
based on the affection that I saw, you know, characterized
in the videos of Elon and Trump, and they were
both into it. Trump was allowing the projection and Elon
was going to hit the skids sooner or later, just
like an adolescent. Though now I don't know what his
(22:03):
issues are with his father, but he couldn't have had
a very easy adolescence. Doctor Drew. Read the biography. I
would love to read the biography. I'm shy of the information,
but apparently he was abused at school, he was abused
by you know, he was abused because of his disability,
and apparently there was a troubled relationship with his father.
(22:25):
So he's got a lot of baggage to dump out
in a projective feel. When you saw the plus of
affection between him and Trump. It's like that's going to
happen sooner or later.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I was when I saw all that obsection, I thought
one kind of maybe these two guys are the exception, but.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Nope, that's not the exception.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Well, here's here's what we get to watch. Here's what
we get to watch. And I can wrap up saying this.
You know that story of Trump with Donald JR. Trump
goes away and comes back early from a business trip
or something and catches his son having a party at
his Trump Tower or whatever. Trump comes in and starts
(23:07):
cleaning up. Never said a word to the sun, never
said a word In an interview. Somebody asked him about that.
He said, are you ever going to talk to him
about it? And he said, no, I'm not going to
talk to him about it. A brilliant way of handling it.
The son knew exactly what he felt. It wasn't like
there was a problem with letting someone know. That was
(23:29):
just a brilliant way and it probably I remember when
my second grade teacher caught me in a spelling I
was cheating spelling. Ye did I've told you this? I
had because I can't spell worth a crap. I have
a learning disability and it's spelling. She came and she
uncovered my hand and saw that I was cheating and
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never said a word. And I've remembered it for seventy years,
sixty five years. I mean, it drilled into my guilt
and shame like nothing else. So these people that know
how to get a message across with being gentle and loving,
but drill at home. Trump's got that skill.
Got it.
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Tom.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
So.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It's big news now the blow up between Elon Musk
and Trump. And it's really not between them. Elon Musk
has had a blow up, so everybody's talking about it.
And do you remember when I said that they're going
to have a blow up before because what you could
see was the dramatic intensity was really very sweet. Actually,
(00:43):
and I think I had heard by that time when
I saw Trump and Elon Musk interacting, I think I
had heard a little bit about Elon Musk having a
troubled relationship with his father. I don't know if that's
true or not. I don't know where I heard that.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Leave it after seeing some footage of his father speaking
for sure, believe it?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
You believe it well. Almost everybody has a troubled relationship
with one parent or the.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Other, usually the father.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It's people who don't have a troubled relationship like they're
the oddity. But I had heard that, and then I
saw the affection in Elon Musk for Trump. There's this
clip of Trump walking with little Lex to a helicopter.
I mean, it is just endearing. And trub makes a
great grandfather for that little boy, and he makes a
(01:36):
great father figure for you, ar Musk. But I think
I may have told you that this is going to
blow up because you don't get that much intensity without
getting the opposite reaction center or later.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You focused more on the father's son type stuff, family stuff, family.
But at the time we talked about this, we also
talked about two big domina mays. And you know the
domineering dominant males often.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, you remember this story I had of the client
that I mean young men compete with the father. I
mean they have to dominate the father, sooner or later
they break away from the father. The client I had
was a kind of epic story. He put up with
his father's abuse of his mother and then when he
got to be I don't know, a young teenager, kind
(02:27):
of an older teenager, he pulled a gun on his
father said if you touch her again, I'll kill you,
and the father straightened up and never touched the other again.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But there are examples of sons killing fathers over that
same shit.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, so family dynamics are very, very complicated and very tough.
And when you just saw that much affection, and I
wonder if Trump saw it coming. I do think we
can talk about.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
He had to have had people telling him, look, don't
be surprised if this blows up, but I want to
come You mentioned your business experience. I experienced it in
our engineering. As the next generation of management started started maturing,
they not to where they asserted themselves over the original
(03:14):
listing management.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That's right to the point of these.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Are forces psychologists call forces dynamics, but family dynamics and
interpersonal dynamics. I mean, there's always that striving for superiority.
So what you're saying, and what I'm saying, what you're
hearing me say, and what I'm hearing you say, is
a lot of this is very normal. Yeah, it's just
we are used to seeing it as the clash of
(03:39):
the titans. We aren't used to seeing it out in
public where it's sturdy laundries being lost. But it's fascinating.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Usually what we see as a president who makes sure
to have a vice president who cannot challenge him, who
is a weak vice president and does not challenge and
that isn't Trump's style, well, doesn't appear to be. He
has associated with strong vice president and a strong elong mush.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah. So it's just a fascinating situation, and it's moving fast.
This is early June, and we're actually on the wrong day.
We're doing our podcasts. We're taping our podcasts on a Sunday,
and it changed since we would have taped it last.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Weekdays, just in those few days.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
So it may change again, it may change many many times.
But there I've found a couple of pretty good clips
and we can discuss more about it. Okay, the first
clip is from sky News. Ketamine has worn off, Elon
Musk deletes post on X following Trump, and it starts
at about two minutes thirteen seconds. Let's play this one first.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Put that entirely first. But you know, the key thing,
everybody has to revery for all the entertaining. It's really
been a lot of fun watching this whole thing blow up,
the big provance, the big divorce, Mommy and daddy are
fighting again. But here's the thing, like this all really
exposes a really big split within the Republican Party because
you've got that kind of tech libertarian side and you've
(05:09):
got the Trump side, which is actually much more politically
realistic because you know, the big issue was this big
beautiful bill that Donald Trump is pushing through, which is
basically secure as the tax cuts that he put into
place in his first term of office. Gets a lot
of spending cuts, but not as much as they need,
but they get some. So it's a real politics. Is
(05:30):
the out of the possible bill. Musk just decided to
have this huge tantrum and there is no other word
for it. And you know, here's the crazy thing though,
as you say, Rita, Musk mistook money for power. Trump
understands power more than anybody else. The reason why the
left hates him is that, unlike most people on the right,
(05:50):
he really does understand the nature of power. And he
mustle thought. Musk thought that he'd had was on this
huge winner, and all the Libertarians and everybody like that,
we're gonna come out and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
don't want the big beautiful bill. We want this sort
of big extreme bill which doesn't even exist. When you know,
and you know what happened the Hill newspaper, it's like
the trade paper for Capitol Hill. They called over a
(06:13):
dozen Congressional offices, from senior leaders to backbenches, and they
said they'd gotten maybe between all of them, one or
two calls from must people say hey, you know, go
against the Big Beautiful Bill. So Musk wildly overplayed his head.
Why he did what he was on at the time,
I don't know. But there's all this other crazy stuff too.
You know, there are stories now coming out. You had
(06:34):
Steve Bannon the other day saying that Elon Musk got
into a punch up with Scott Besant, the Treasury secretary
in the West wing. This is how nuts things have
gotten it the other things.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Okay, I want to stop there and say that I
agree with Elon Musk about the Big Beautiful Bill. And
you've said you don't like the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Libertarians, Cellar, it's more subtle than that. And I'll explain, okay, libertarians.
And I'm glad that he brought up libertarians.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I thought that was.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Libertarians are purists. Libertarians know that the right way to
do things is to have some sort of balanced budget,
and that we're headed in the long direction. If we
just increase our debt, increase the budget, we're still headed
in the long direction. Elon Musk did a great wake
up call. This was a great opportunity in our lifetime.
(07:27):
If we were ever going to control Congress, this was it. Yeah,
and Elon Musk showed the corruption in government. So this
was the big opportunity to make a big change in
the way our leaders address government. And the big beautiful
bill does not comply with that. It continues to increase
(07:49):
government spending. And Elon Musk lost his shit over and
Libertarians lose their shit over it because they're correct about
that being the correct way to handle government. It's just
not the way our system is settled. And Trump knows
that you've got increased spending. If you're going to make
all these legislators happy and.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Keep the House in the Senate, keep it all and
there's a midterm coming up.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Keep it all together.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Now we are headed towards some sort of cliff if
we don't change somewhere along the way.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, so Eli Musk had an important point to May
and I guess he's shined a light on it, making
a stink and made everybody think about it. But practically
there's nothing you can do until they do have a
budgeting bill. This isn't a budgeting bill. This is a
reconciliation bill. I'm well, it's true. I don't have the
(08:43):
same strong feelings as a libertarian you have. I want
to give Trump four years to correct the ship, and
I don't expect him to turn the Titanic by turning
the wheel one turn. So I'm a little more trusting
of this. I think he's going to pump the economy
so fast and hard, and the economics of the economy
are going to soften the issue with the debt, and
(09:05):
he's going to have a little more slack in the
system to play with when he gets down to the budgeting.
I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I'm glad that we have that to look forward to,
but it won't make a difference unless they pass a
balanced budget of money.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I tend to agree with you, it's not going to
make a difference. If they can screw with us later
on down the road, they'll.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Just keep spending more money. Yeah, Hey, we're making the
country is more profitable than we ever thought possible. Let's
we spend more money.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, totally agree with that. Fear So, back to the
family dynamics, it was really something to watch the affection
between Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It was sweet.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It was sweet. It was sweet, and I could see
Elon was definitely projecting father issues.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
We're so unexpected too, to see these two big shots
be so sweet with each other.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah. I watched the rocket take off and Trump was over.
Elon had invited in there. Elon was like a proud son.
Trump was asking questions about the rocket.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
And openly stating love for each other.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
They used the word load.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I didn't see that right.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
At least Elon did. I think Trump did too.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Elon bringing his children and Trump, you know, being sweet
with the little kids, and he's just sweet. I hate
to see it come to an end. I will comment
now before the next clip that Trump seems to be
handling this very well, a.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Lot better than I thought he would.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know all the details about what he posted
on x and apparently Elon has deleted some of his posts.
This bizarre claim that Trump is involved in Epstein files,
that's pretty ridiculous because if he had been involved, they'd
have gotten him by now.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, they would have gotten along before.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
They got him on how he tied his shoelaces. They
would have gotten him on that. And plus he booted
Epstein out of mar A Lago because as Epstein was
hitting on a young girl or daughter of one of
the friends of Trump. I mean, Trump knows he was
a nasty creed, nasty. He's a creek. And you can
say Trump is a lot of things which Kent say
(11:11):
he's a creek. I mean he's a monogamous marriage person.
I mean he's a womanizer, but I don't think.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He went after this one monogamy after.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
A serial monogamy with supermodels, like the equivalent of a
harem in steps.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And it's amazing to me how he can find such
competent people on his staff, females who are drop dead
gorgeous lawns with the makeup and everything.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
You got me, He's like competence and beauty. He knows
how to find him.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
He does.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They all look like supermodels. Okay, let's look at the
family dynamics. Okay. This next clip is Elin Musk Asperger's
analyzed by doctor Drew Pinski. That's from Newsmax. I'm gonna
start at the beginning and play the whole clip.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Hello, my name is Adam Ferrari, Chief executive out Sir
Phoenix Energy. I would forward to you joining us at
our next investor webber where you can drive deeper into
our nine to thirteen percent.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I talked about Elon Musk in twenty twenty one on
Saturday Night Live. During the monologue, he told the world
that he has Asperger's syndrome. Based what we've seen over
the last forty eight hours. I'm just wondering what sort
of some of the side effects or symptoms of that
could be, and how that could relate to some of
the behavior that we've witnessed over the last few days.
Speaker 9 (12:42):
And the comedy of that Saturday Loge monologue where he
announced as he has essentially autistic spectrum discorder, and again
we thought of controversy about how we.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Categorize these things and is this really a pathology or not,
but he identified it as such and these went on
to say, you've.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Heard me talk.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
How did you heard me speak? That's what that is
and what you're seeing that odd patter of speech. But
the main thing with Aspergers is a difficulty with reading
social cues, and that could be contributed to what we see.
You know, it's his social media out per Sue Leaps.
But I suspected something a little different, which.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is that if you've read his biography, this man will
go on these hypomannic binges where he worked for days
at a time without sleeping.
Speaker 11 (13:22):
There's all these descriptions of his relentlessness, him struggling with
the problem at six pm, sitting on the side of
the bend and his wife waiting up at five AEVI
and he's still in the same position that he was
at at six pm, having not moved the entire time.
Hypomedia is something that many very successful people have.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The risk with it, though, is that a case you
flip into media where there's irritability, you add in sort
of a lack of risk.
Speaker 11 (13:47):
Assession they can't quite knowledge risk, and then auxism.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
On top of that, where there might be a difficulty
really understanding the impact of what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (13:56):
It all kind of has that flavor and dazzy bipolar.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Is he not knowing?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But it kind of looks like he's whipped into kind
of an abnormal state here And it was Trump yesterday
just sort of tossed it off, like you know, seems
to be a Trump derangements syndrome.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
The kicksums, but people leave Washington, So I think this
thing will resolve.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I'm so glad that you were able to be with
us tonight. You're right, Donald Trump was surprisingly restrained on
social media. My team put together a list of some
of the symptoms and side effects of aspersion. And by
the way, Elon Musk incredibly successful, the richest man in
the history of our thesis as human beings, I'm remarkable.
(14:35):
Social difficulties, repetitive behavior, narrowed interest, difficulty developing friendships, difficulty
with change, emotional difficulties, and social awkward bass I thought
the difficulty would change. Is fascinating because think about what
just happened. He's no longer part of the administration. Yeah,
it could be part of it again.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
It's but it's not the whole story.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
There's more going on and how he got flicked into
this ability and sort of inflation.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
We call it our agitation. There's a lot of ways
you can get there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I do suspect somebody will brown hadrid from let's
let's get it back together. Heren't wortunate if this happened. Look,
it's he's all those strengths that he has. And I
admire Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Like I read his biography.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Please do you'll you'll you'll really love this man, but
he has liabilities, and I think we'll steeped out right now.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Yeah, And I think maybe that's already happened this morning.
The tweets were fast and furious like they were late yesterday,
but this afternoon it quieted down, or at least it
felt that way. I could be wrong, or at least
felt that way.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So that's a pretty good analysis, I think. And it
doesn't really go into the family dynamics. Obviously. Elon Musk
is a very very high functioning individual, whether he gets
into hypomanic phases or not. I mean, he's proven his
worth in his life. You know, when you listen to
him talk. The thing I like about it, and this
(15:58):
is probably the autism spectrum. He cuts to the chase
and his thinking and his talking. He doesn't put a
lot of fluff in his speech. He answered a question
somebody said, why aren't you continue to work in the government?
He said, I've done enough. Just that simple statement. And
he says a statement. He says a sentence, and he
puts a period at the end of it, and he
(16:19):
doesn't say anything else that could be the aspergers. You know,
he doesn't flower it up. He doesn't spin it, he
doesn't push the issue, he doesn't repeat himself, and I
have a feeling he thinks that way too, So he
thinks in tight bundles, so you know, listen to do
and speak. He has kind of a halting speech pattern.
(16:40):
I don't think that's Aspergers, but it could be. I'm
not a specialist in Aspergers, but I do understand the
autism spectrum disorder. So back to the family dynamics and
then we can wrap it up. I wanted to say
this about family dynamics. This all good, all bad phenomena
where somebody is all good and can do no wrong.
(17:02):
That's projecting the positive, and then it flips and you
project the negative, and then the person can be on
This is what is characteristic as honeymoon, you know, and
everything is filtered through a positive view, and then all
of a sudden you have everything filtered through a negative view.
And that happens to human beings. That's all good or
(17:24):
all bad. Causes communication if there's a difference of opinion,
if there's a true conflict that needs to be resolved.
For instance, I don't think there is with Elon Musk.
I mean, I don't think that he can go and
criticize the Trump's bill and have that go anywhere. I
think one of Trump's posts was, I wish you'd have
said something earlier. But I think that was just respectful.
(17:48):
It's like, if you were going to criticize He kind
of said, if you were going to criticize the bill,
maybe you should have criticized it in the beginning. But
I don't think Trump meant that. I think that was
just respect But when you have a conflict, a real conflict,
when you know, when I'm working, we used to work
with a couple or a father son or father daughter
(18:08):
or mother son mother daughter, getting each side to understand
that there's strengths and weaknesses to the other person, strengths
and weaknesses to their position. That was always the first step.
That was getting to yes, required some acceptance of the
humanness of the other person.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
When I would see people al those blindly being loyal
to the point of being silly, I always assumed it
was loyalty to our side versus loyalty to the others.
It could be, and I'm sure it is lots of time.
What's your point is, it's also a human trait to
be a little overly positive, and then it's also a
(18:50):
human trait to flip it and be overly negative.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, and then you begin to rewrite history, which you
see in Elon Musk. He's rewriting history claiming that somehow
Trump is involved in the Epstein files, you know, which
is kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I think he's just trying to gig Trump.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I think he just don't think he believes it, and
I don't and I know Trump, I think he believes it.
There's no believability in that.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Well, my point is is that he believes it for
a short period of time. Because he's in that frame.
Everything Trump does is bad. And the intensity, you know,
I'm glad I told you that this is going to
blow up, because the intensity predicts the height of the negative,
the height of the positive. Love, hate, You know that
(19:40):
each one is intense. Hate is not the opposite of love.
I mean, Elon may be feeling very let down and
disappointed by the father figure, and he's exaggerating all the negatives.
He's superently coming out of it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Though, I prefer to believe that Elon Musk was hopeful
that Doge and all the accomplishment he made with Doge
would flip Trump and Congress and everybody and the public
would flip everyone to understand what it was going to
take to fix the company. Yeah, and they didn't even budge.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
They didn't even budge. And I think.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Elon must stuck by his guns as long as he
possibly could before he said I can't take this.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well, there's some logic to what he's done. It makes sense.
He's like, how come you can't run this country in
a frigging correct way? I mean, to him, it looks
like a bunch of craziness. And you have to understand
that as a libertarian, it's like, can you not balance
a damn budget? And you know what you described earlier,
(20:48):
where they constantly spend as much as they have to spend.
It's disgusting to a libertarian, It's absolutely disgusting. It's like,
when are you gonna learn your damn lesson? Don't spend
what you don't have. And it is critical, and he's right,
and you're right that it has to be addressed. It
(21:10):
just needs to be addressed. In my view, it has
to be addressed in a way that considers the politics. Yeah,
you can't cut your throat, and.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
That is the difference between Trump and Mosque. Is the
realism of politics, Yeah, which Elon has a hard time with.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
But I want to bring up one other thing.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Okay, good people keep talking.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
About the four B chess.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Do you perceive any kind of four dimensional chess going
on that come down that they are playing a game? Almost?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
No, because I don't see that, because this is predictable
based on the affection that I saw, you know, characterized
in the videos of Elon and Trump, and they were
both into it. Trump was allowing the projection and Elon
was going to hit the skids sooner or later, just
like an adolescent. Though now I don't know what his
(22:03):
issues are with his father, but he couldn't have had
a very easy adolescence. Doctor Drew. Read the biography. I
would love to read the biography. I'm shy of the information,
but apparently he was abused at school, he was abused
by you know, he was abused because of his disability,
and apparently there was a troubled relationship with his father.
(22:25):
So he's got a lot of baggage to dump out
in a projective feel. When you saw the plus of
affection between him and Trump. It's like that's going to
happen sooner or later.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I was when I saw all that obsection, I thought
one kind of maybe these two guys are the exception, but.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Nope, that's not the exception.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Well, here's here's what we get to watch. Here's what
we get to watch. And I can wrap up saying this.
You know that story of Trump with Donald JR. Trump
goes away and comes back early from a business trip
or something and catches his son having a party at
his Trump Tower or whatever. Trump comes in and starts
(23:07):
cleaning up. Never said a word to the sun, never
said a word In an interview. Somebody asked him about that.
He said, are you ever going to talk to him
about it? And he said, no, I'm not going to
talk to him about it. A brilliant way of handling it.
The son knew exactly what he felt. It wasn't like
there was a problem with letting someone know. That was
(23:29):
just a brilliant way and it probably I remember when
my second grade teacher caught me in a spelling I
was cheating spelling. Ye did I've told you this? I
had because I can't spell worth a crap. I have
a learning disability and it's spelling. She came and she
uncovered my hand and saw that I was cheating and
(23:50):
never said a word. And I've remembered it for seventy years,
sixty five years. I mean, it drilled into my guilt
and shame like nothing else. So these people that know
how to get a message across with being gentle and loving,
but drill at home. Trump's got that skill.
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