June 4, 2025 • 22 mins
It breaks my heart to see one of my heroes, Kash Patel, resort to the same deep state trick I have been hearing for decades: “believe me, I am an expert, and Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide”.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to the podcast Coffee with Mike and Julie
Libertarians Talk Psychology. This is current commentary from an NBA
businessman and a PhD psychologist.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think I have been overly optimistical. What's laughing already
a year?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Overly optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You don't believe that, ever?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Believe that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, well, I'll put it this way. I am broken
hearted about what's going on lately with these heroes that
Trump has put in place in our government, and they
are kind of falling apart. It looks to me, it
looks to me that they are not following through like
I thought they would, and they're going right down the
same path that we've seen in the past, where instead
(00:56):
of exposing the truth, some expert gets shoved in front
of us and we're supposed to just accept what the
expert said. You can't listen to the opposing expert. They
shut that gun up. And well, let me just go
through the quick list.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Of heartbreaking experiences for you who are struggling to be
an optimist.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, struggling.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
To stay optimistic.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But of course, my oldest memory is the JFK and
RFK stuff, and in recent years they were going to
expose all that stuff. Well, they didn't. Got the food pyramid,
My god, the food pyramid. When we were teenagers, that
was the thing. And now we can see that we
were just following the experts, and the experts were completely
lying to us. Then there were wars that I didn't
(01:44):
even know about. We were bombing countries I never heard
of before. The argument was always the expert would say,
we have to fight them over there instead of over here,
because they're going to come over here from wherever. That's
just being yeah, well, of course the drone bombings didn't
have anything to do with experts. That's just my disappointment
and hearing about our country drone bombing because we don't
(02:07):
want to torture people anymore. If you remember this, instead
of torturing people, we decided we would drone bomb instead,
and we were drone bombing hospitals and weddings and all
kinds of stuff. The expert argument was that when we
go kill a few people in that other country, the
population will rise up and they will support us because
(02:31):
we are democratic and we will be introducing such good
things to their country. And then, of course the latest
thing is this stuff about COVID, and I really kind
of liked our medical profession until COVID came along, and
they were just so wrong about everything. Everything. They were
so wrong about war. The one about the masks, to
(02:54):
me was the most revealing of all. Was everyone was
pushing the masks and telling me, you know, experts recommending it.
So I did do a little little bit of a
deep dive. I only found one study that showed that
the masks were effective, but they were only effective along
with social distancing, and I'm thinking, are you kidding? All
(03:17):
that shows me is that the social distancing works, not
the mask.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, I don't think the mask is a good example,
because covering your mouth when you cough is an effective
way to cut down on the viral load in the air.
And I don't want to get into this, but I
don't think that's the best example. You have lots of
good examples of how following the herd mentality and the
experts is a ridiculous idea.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, there's always That's the point. That's the point I'm making.
There's always something that makes logical sense when some expert speaks.
And maybe I'm wrong about the mask, but the point
is in every case, it deserved to be exposed and
looked at a little closer, including the mask.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's true in every case, both sides should be looked
at like the scientific method doesn't automatically the thing you're
objecting to, which you should object to, is this automatic
confirmation bias? That's part of the herd mentality. Well, I said,
enough people agree to something, they'll agree to any ridiculous
thing if enough people are agreeing to it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So my heart was broken lately.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh you have a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I have a broken heart.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh your broken heart?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
When Cash Battel and Dan Bongeno will get on national
news and just declare from their expert opinion that Jeffrey
Epstein committed suicide. So I'm going to go ahead and
play Tucker Carlson's reaction to that, because I think that's
pretty good. This is Tucker reacts to Cashpattel, and Dan Bongeno.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
No matter who gets elected, the Epstein videos remain secret.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Wait what are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I thought we could all sleep well at night now
knowing that Epstein legit killed himself.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right, what would just come out?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know, a suicide when you see one and that's
what that was.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They killed themselves.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You weren't convinced by that. No, why I've dug.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into that and it's just so spooky. I mean, how
do you charge a guy with sex.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Trafficking when there are no there are no end users
that have been charged. Who to do traffic to?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
What do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do I think it was? I think it was
a blackmail operation. What do you think it was?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think it was a blackmail operation run by the
CIA and the Israeli intel services and probably others. You know,
French intelligence always has handed everything I've noticed, probably them
two the usual darkest forces in the world, colluding to
make rich and powerful people obey their agenda.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, so talking to you, I don't know this guy.
I think it's a guy named chel and Ryan. I
don't know who it is, but Tucker's voice is easy
to ruck and the discussion is relevant anyway. So I
saw Cash and Dan Bongeno almost depending on these people
to be truthful with me. I don't really care that
(06:10):
much about people who are guilty. I don't care about
putting them in jail. That would be the best thing.
Put people in jail who commit crimes. But if we
can just get it revealed, have the truth revealed, that
would be a great thing. But instead they come up
with these experts who tell us no, no, there's nothing
to see here. That is so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Did you see the clip of cash Battel and so
they said they talked to the experts, and the experts.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They claim, they claimed they were the experts cash Battel
and Dan Bongino said, we are experts. We know suicide
when we see it, and this was a suicide. You
can forget about it, which is very disappointing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, there's a possibility there, correct, But there's also a
possibility their line, well, which is what's heartbreaking to you.
You're not trusting them. Do you think they're still hiding something?
What benefit would it be to hide it?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, that's part of what I want to know. But
the thing that upsets me is to not give me
any facts. Have someone stand up there and be an
expert and tell me that I don't need to think
about this anymore because I'm an expert, you know, because
this guy is an expert, and this is the truth,
(07:26):
and we can just neglect it now. In the case
of Jeffrey Epstein. There's a lot of truth that I
think needs to be revealed. And I don't even care
about if he committed suicide or not. That's just one
thing that's worth revealing.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like the guy on the Tucker Carlson Show says, we
don't have a list of his clients.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yet we don't have anything right exactly. This is the
thing that I have always objected to in the past.
Republicans get elected based on, hey, we want smaller government.
If you'll just give us the House and the Senate
and the presidency, we will clean everything up. And then
they get in power and nothing happens, and they start
(08:08):
throwing the experts out in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Front of Well, that's a diar. Look at what's going on.
There's all kinds of stuff happening. But in my view,
let me go back to the Epstein thing. There's some
degree you know, there's a twenty percent chance he committed suicide,
maybe a fifty percent, Maybe it's a toss up, maybe
it's a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I don't even care, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, I just think in speaking of probabilities, the thing
you're concerned about is that if he didn't commit suicide.
Why would they lie to Why are they lying to us?
And so the possibility of them lying to us is
also low. I think the possibility that he committed suicide
is higher to me than the possibility that cash Ptel
(08:54):
and Dan Vonageo are colluding with the people who blackmail
high level individuals in the country, like covering up the Clintons.
I mean, all of it is unbelievable to me. I
don't know what to think about that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, it all boils down to the same thing. I mean,
your discussion, what you just described is the same long
rabbit hole we go down every time we start evaluating
whether the expert is likely to be well.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean, that's how you discover the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I'm saying we need to insist that people give
us some facts, don't throw an expert up in front
of them.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, I agree with you on that. In other words,
don't play the expert card exactly. You know, that's not
a logical argument. I'm the expert. It is not a
logical argument. That's just a persuasive tool in the toolbox.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Now I'm going to play a little Dave Smith in
a minute where he talks about RFK junior. Dave Smith
is a little perfectionistic about it. But if we can
ignore that, we can appreciate what RFK Junior is doing.
But before that, I want to comment on a little
Elon Musk statement where Elon Musk, so this one is
(10:09):
important Elon Musk and I think he did it in
a text message. I'm just going to speak it. But
he made the observation that he has discovered through dose
that he can't just fix the problem by exposing graft
and corruption. That's not enough. That he can't reduce waste
(10:31):
and abuse enough to fix the economy. That the economy
is going to have to grow. And what he means
is it's going to have to grow faster than the
Congress can spend money. And of course that never happens.
Congress always spends more money than the economy can grow.
So that's very depressing to me to have him back
(10:52):
away from those which he had to do. I don't
blame him, but it's kind of more of the same that,
oh gosh, this is this is the same thing all
over again.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He discovered prospect there theory where people will fight tooth
and nail to keep themselves from losing something much more
than they will fight to gain something. And so when
you start trying to take things away from people, you
run into super unrealistic and irrational human behavior. And that's
(11:24):
what Elon Muss ran into. He realized the human factor
is a limiting factor. So how do you do that?
I mean, I was wondering about that big, beautiful bill.
In other words, it's obvious that Trump is trying to
guarantee that the tax revenues are going to cover stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, that's not what's happening, though it is definitely an
increase in spending.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm saying something different. I think what I'm saying is
he thinks that supercharging the economy is going to our
Laugher talked about this that in his first term, the
the reductions in red tape, the reduction in taxes, all
of that bump the coffers. And so it's obvious to
(12:08):
me they're not brain dead. They have a strategy, but
they're backing off the cuts. I don't know, I'm no
expert on what their strategy is.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, that's all, but I just want to comment that's
always the strategy. The strategy is always, Hey, we're fixing
it now, so that in the future, five or ten
years from now, everything will get caught up. And I'm
saying that's an optimistic We need to recognize, we need
to recognize reality. That's optimistic.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, you'd be the Thomas Massey who refuses to vote.
It's Thomas Massey, a libertarian. Yeah, Ran Paul refuses.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
To Yeah, right, And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think it's a challenging situation because you don't have
full control. You can't do the cuts, because it's not
a business, it's democracy. Well, they're seeing that the midterms
are coming up and that if they alienate enough people,
they'll lose the House. Well, all I concerns.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
All I'm trying to say is that the first step
is to face reality, give me the truth. If you
want to guarantee people that you're not going to throw
them in jail, if you'll just tell us the truth,
that's the first step. I'd be happy with that. But
that doesn't seem to happen. They throw these experts out
there and tell us to just ignore what's right in
(13:32):
front of our face. But let me go ahead and
play a couple of minutes of Dave Smith, Okay, talking
about Rfkjunior because that's a positive thing. And I really
think part of RFK Junior. One reason I'm crazy about
this guy is he's independently wealthy, so they can't bribe him.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He's not in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
He isn't in it for the money. And he is
really dedicated to this stuff. I mean, he isn't swayed
with the argument. House is going to come tumbling down
if you do this. He doesn't care about He's.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well, he's seen the corruption over decades. Right, he's very
very You're right, he's very He's uncorruptible.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think so if other people could be as dedicated
as he is, I would be much happier. So this
is part of the problem. HHS finally admits the truth.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You know, topic which I don't know, you know, we
just we spend so much time over the years talking
about it. But so Bobby Kennedy just came out and
said that the Health Department is no longer recommending that
healthy children get the COVID vaccine, which is good it
you know, it's some of us might have been hoping
(14:43):
for a little bit more out of this administration, but hey,
that's that's a positive step in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But I have just because.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I guess partially because the I guess yesterday or the
day before was the five year anniversary of George flo
It's death and certain and then also with the you know,
the Health Department doing reversal on the vaccines, it's just
been I've been thinking a lot about like those years,
(15:15):
and there's just there's been a lot of the like
the compilations that are on Twitter of like what the
media was saying at the time, and it's so strange
now five years later to look back at twenty twenty
obviously the vaccines were talking more about twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two, but it is wild, like how much
(15:35):
happened in the in half a decade, you know, in
the last five years, and so there is something as
we're kind of climbing out of that to it just
brings up a lot of these memories of how crazy
everything went. Anyway, good good move by Bobby to stop
(15:58):
recommending that kids get this thing. It is one of
those things though, like when you just watch even when
government policy gets it right, it lags so far behind,
like are what are we even on what what COVID strain?
Are we even on. I don't even know what you
call it. Like, the last one I learned was omicron.
(16:20):
I have no idea what strain of COVID this is.
It's certainly not the same one, right, Rob, It's got
to be a different one now, I'm sure it's less deadly.
It's like you've gotten to a point where the thought
of a kid having like a severe negative outcome from
COVID is like statistically impossible. I think kids get healthier
(16:41):
from having COVID at this point, and like, so now
they're finally like, oh, yeah, you know, we're not recommended
you take that vaccina at anymore. Which, by the way,
at the height of it, almost no one was given
this thing to their kid, Like, even at the height
of it, when the overwhelming majority of adults had complied
with getting the job. Some of us me and you,
(17:02):
Rob remain pure bloods. But even at the height of it,
people weren't giving it to their kids in large numbers.
Now you're almost like, who was even thinking about that?
But anyway, they're not recommending it, and that is good.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I thought COVID just went back to being the flu.
That's that's what I thought. I thought we were just
done with it. And you know what, at this point,
if any parent out there wanted to give their kid
the booster shots and give them to them every year
and every six months, maybe they should just get the
Darwin Awards for getting rid of their own officer. You
parenthood is very late abortions. I'm shocked at any doctor
(17:42):
in the country was still recommending this. I'd be surprised.
I'd love to know the numbers of how many parents
were going into a doctor's clinic and recommending the latest
COVID booster. This seems like no longer relevant information or
policy that it even needed to be made. I'd love
to hear the numbers. It just seems shocking that this
announcement needed happened. And if we're going to revisit COVID,
(18:02):
let's be prosecuting Fauci. I don't need these little tiny
announcements about something that people shouldn't have been doing anyways.
And I'm surprised was a law or or recommendation that
was even still in the books.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, it's well right, Yeah, look, I couldn't agree with
you more. I mean, I understand legal technicalities with the
autopenicide that Fauci does have a blanket pardon. So you know,
I don't know what the you know, how practical it
is to prosecute him at this point, but I'd even
be happy with just presenting the case.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Find him, you know, like even just for the hell
of it, and parade him in front of Congress, and
I actually force and to answer all these questions and
unwind some of what was going on behind the scenes
that he pushed this as far as he did.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Okay, so that's good enough. And I want to comment
that Dave Smith is a libertarian and libertarians are perfectionistic,
so he almost sounds like he's being critical RFK Junior.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But it is, it is a little thing, and it's
really really late.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He's right about all of that. But RFK Jr. Just
elevated himself to the point where he can do something
about all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
And it is it's ridiculous that the government supported. I mean,
you can see commercials paid for by the government for
children to be vaccinated. You can still see that there
are still they're in collusion with big Pharma, bad bad bag.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, they're still advertising.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
So I mean, it's the least he can do. I'm
not blown away by the I mean, it's kind of like,
of course, you don't recommend the COVID vaccine. COVID vaccine
only works for a couple of months, even if it
works well.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But it's just great that RFK Junior is doing what
he's doing. And I don't care if it took forever,
and I don't care if the pharmaceutical companies are still
advertising for these your vaccines. Care happy that someone is
sitting there pointing a finger and getting the truth out
there too.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And you're more forgiving of RFK for some reason than
you are of Cash Patel, are Elon Musk, They're all
doing the best thing.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I forgive Elon Musk, he had no choice. Cash Patel
has maintained his position and has decided to go down
the route of follow me. I'm the expert, which I
completely disagree with.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You think they're lying to us. I mean, you may
have a point.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You must. Didn't do that. Elon Musk, he just had
no choice.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He is an amazing person. How he cuts through and
he tells the truth about stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
He tried. He tried, He did the best he could.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, they may have cut out.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He butted up against the deep state and realized I
can't win this, and he backed down.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, good for him in a way to deal with reality.
It's like, yeah, I'm going to stir this with a stick.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now. There may be there's some other heroes in the
Trump administration, and they may prove themselves or not. But
this Cash Fetell thing. Those two guys that look like
guilty ten year.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Old apparently there's some body language people that don't like
their body language.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
When you look at it, you'll see they look guilty,
like two kids who are guilty. Really, two kids sitting
at the kitchen table with their parents accusing them of
something and they just look guilty.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, there's so many facts of suspicion around that guy's death. Well,
I mean, you know, you just can't believe what you hear.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, and again I don't care, I do, but just
don't throw the expert argument at me. Give me some facts. Anyway.
That's where I am.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
You're disappointed, I'm disappointing.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
My heart is broken. I had big expectations about some
of these heroes that Trump pulled into his administration, and
for them to go down the same path that I
have seen before breaks me.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, I still have hope.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, good
Speaker 4 (22:11):
H.
You're listening to the podcast Coffee with Mike and Julie
Libertarians Talk Psychology. This is current commentary from an NBA
businessman and a PhD psychologist.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I think I have been overly optimistical. What's laughing already
a year?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Overly optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You don't believe that, ever?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Believe that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, well, I'll put it this way. I am broken
hearted about what's going on lately with these heroes that
Trump has put in place in our government, and they
are kind of falling apart. It looks to me, it
looks to me that they are not following through like
I thought they would, and they're going right down the
same path that we've seen in the past, where instead
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of exposing the truth, some expert gets shoved in front
of us and we're supposed to just accept what the
expert said. You can't listen to the opposing expert. They
shut that gun up. And well, let me just go
through the quick list.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Of heartbreaking experiences for you who are struggling to be
an optimist.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, struggling.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
To stay optimistic.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But of course, my oldest memory is the JFK and
RFK stuff, and in recent years they were going to
expose all that stuff. Well, they didn't. Got the food pyramid,
My god, the food pyramid. When we were teenagers, that
was the thing. And now we can see that we
were just following the experts, and the experts were completely
lying to us. Then there were wars that I didn't
(01:44):
even know about. We were bombing countries I never heard
of before. The argument was always the expert would say,
we have to fight them over there instead of over here,
because they're going to come over here from wherever. That's
just being yeah, well, of course the drone bombings didn't
have anything to do with experts. That's just my disappointment
and hearing about our country drone bombing because we don't
(02:07):
want to torture people anymore. If you remember this, instead
of torturing people, we decided we would drone bomb instead,
and we were drone bombing hospitals and weddings and all
kinds of stuff. The expert argument was that when we
go kill a few people in that other country, the
population will rise up and they will support us because
(02:31):
we are democratic and we will be introducing such good
things to their country. And then, of course the latest
thing is this stuff about COVID, and I really kind
of liked our medical profession until COVID came along, and
they were just so wrong about everything. Everything. They were
so wrong about war. The one about the masks, to
(02:54):
me was the most revealing of all. Was everyone was
pushing the masks and telling me, you know, experts recommending it.
So I did do a little little bit of a
deep dive. I only found one study that showed that
the masks were effective, but they were only effective along
with social distancing, and I'm thinking, are you kidding? All
(03:17):
that shows me is that the social distancing works, not
the mask.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, I don't think the mask is a good example,
because covering your mouth when you cough is an effective
way to cut down on the viral load in the air.
And I don't want to get into this, but I
don't think that's the best example. You have lots of
good examples of how following the herd mentality and the
experts is a ridiculous idea.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, there's always That's the point. That's the point I'm making.
There's always something that makes logical sense when some expert speaks.
And maybe I'm wrong about the mask, but the point
is in every case, it deserved to be exposed and
looked at a little closer, including the mask.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's true in every case, both sides should be looked
at like the scientific method doesn't automatically the thing you're
objecting to, which you should object to, is this automatic
confirmation bias? That's part of the herd mentality. Well, I said,
enough people agree to something, they'll agree to any ridiculous
thing if enough people are agreeing to it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So my heart was broken lately.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh you have a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I have a broken heart.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh your broken heart?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
When Cash Battel and Dan Bongeno will get on national
news and just declare from their expert opinion that Jeffrey
Epstein committed suicide. So I'm going to go ahead and
play Tucker Carlson's reaction to that, because I think that's
pretty good. This is Tucker reacts to Cashpattel, and Dan Bongeno.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
No matter who gets elected, the Epstein videos remain secret.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Wait what are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I thought we could all sleep well at night now
knowing that Epstein legit killed himself.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right, what would just come out?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know, a suicide when you see one and that's
what that was.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They killed themselves.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You weren't convinced by that. No, why I've dug.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into that and it's just so spooky. I mean, how
do you charge a guy with sex.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Trafficking when there are no there are no end users
that have been charged. Who to do traffic to?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
What do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do I think it was? I think it was
a blackmail operation. What do you think it was?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think it was a blackmail operation run by the
CIA and the Israeli intel services and probably others. You know,
French intelligence always has handed everything I've noticed, probably them
two the usual darkest forces in the world, colluding to
make rich and powerful people obey their agenda.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, so talking to you, I don't know this guy.
I think it's a guy named chel and Ryan. I
don't know who it is, but Tucker's voice is easy
to ruck and the discussion is relevant anyway. So I
saw Cash and Dan Bongeno almost depending on these people
to be truthful with me. I don't really care that
(06:10):
much about people who are guilty. I don't care about
putting them in jail. That would be the best thing.
Put people in jail who commit crimes. But if we
can just get it revealed, have the truth revealed, that
would be a great thing. But instead they come up
with these experts who tell us no, no, there's nothing
to see here. That is so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Did you see the clip of cash Battel and so
they said they talked to the experts, and the experts.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They claim, they claimed they were the experts cash Battel
and Dan Bongino said, we are experts. We know suicide
when we see it, and this was a suicide. You
can forget about it, which is very disappointing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, there's a possibility there, correct, But there's also a
possibility their line, well, which is what's heartbreaking to you.
You're not trusting them. Do you think they're still hiding something?
What benefit would it be to hide it?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, that's part of what I want to know. But
the thing that upsets me is to not give me
any facts. Have someone stand up there and be an
expert and tell me that I don't need to think
about this anymore because I'm an expert, you know, because
this guy is an expert, and this is the truth,
(07:26):
and we can just neglect it now. In the case
of Jeffrey Epstein. There's a lot of truth that I
think needs to be revealed. And I don't even care
about if he committed suicide or not. That's just one
thing that's worth revealing.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like the guy on the Tucker Carlson Show says, we
don't have a list of his clients.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yet we don't have anything right exactly. This is the
thing that I have always objected to in the past.
Republicans get elected based on, hey, we want smaller government.
If you'll just give us the House and the Senate
and the presidency, we will clean everything up. And then
they get in power and nothing happens, and they start
(08:08):
throwing the experts out in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Front of Well, that's a diar. Look at what's going on.
There's all kinds of stuff happening. But in my view,
let me go back to the Epstein thing. There's some
degree you know, there's a twenty percent chance he committed suicide,
maybe a fifty percent, Maybe it's a toss up, maybe
it's a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I don't even care, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, I just think in speaking of probabilities, the thing
you're concerned about is that if he didn't commit suicide.
Why would they lie to Why are they lying to us?
And so the possibility of them lying to us is
also low. I think the possibility that he committed suicide
is higher to me than the possibility that cash Ptel
(08:54):
and Dan Vonageo are colluding with the people who blackmail
high level individuals in the country, like covering up the Clintons.
I mean, all of it is unbelievable to me. I
don't know what to think about that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, it all boils down to the same thing. I mean,
your discussion, what you just described is the same long
rabbit hole we go down every time we start evaluating
whether the expert is likely to be well.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean, that's how you discover the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I'm saying we need to insist that people give
us some facts, don't throw an expert up in front
of them.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, I agree with you on that. In other words,
don't play the expert card exactly. You know, that's not
a logical argument. I'm the expert. It is not a
logical argument. That's just a persuasive tool in the toolbox.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Now I'm going to play a little Dave Smith in
a minute where he talks about RFK junior. Dave Smith
is a little perfectionistic about it. But if we can
ignore that, we can appreciate what RFK Junior is doing.
But before that, I want to comment on a little
Elon Musk statement where Elon Musk, so this one is
(10:09):
important Elon Musk and I think he did it in
a text message. I'm just going to speak it. But
he made the observation that he has discovered through dose
that he can't just fix the problem by exposing graft
and corruption. That's not enough. That he can't reduce waste
(10:31):
and abuse enough to fix the economy. That the economy
is going to have to grow. And what he means
is it's going to have to grow faster than the
Congress can spend money. And of course that never happens.
Congress always spends more money than the economy can grow.
So that's very depressing to me to have him back
(10:52):
away from those which he had to do. I don't
blame him, but it's kind of more of the same that,
oh gosh, this is this is the same thing all
over again.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He discovered prospect there theory where people will fight tooth
and nail to keep themselves from losing something much more
than they will fight to gain something. And so when
you start trying to take things away from people, you
run into super unrealistic and irrational human behavior. And that's
(11:24):
what Elon Muss ran into. He realized the human factor
is a limiting factor. So how do you do that?
I mean, I was wondering about that big, beautiful bill.
In other words, it's obvious that Trump is trying to
guarantee that the tax revenues are going to cover stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, that's not what's happening, though it is definitely an
increase in spending.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm saying something different. I think what I'm saying is
he thinks that supercharging the economy is going to our
Laugher talked about this that in his first term, the
the reductions in red tape, the reduction in taxes, all
of that bump the coffers. And so it's obvious to
(12:08):
me they're not brain dead. They have a strategy, but
they're backing off the cuts. I don't know, I'm no
expert on what their strategy is.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, that's all, but I just want to comment that's
always the strategy. The strategy is always, Hey, we're fixing
it now, so that in the future, five or ten
years from now, everything will get caught up. And I'm
saying that's an optimistic We need to recognize, we need
to recognize reality. That's optimistic.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, you'd be the Thomas Massey who refuses to vote.
It's Thomas Massey, a libertarian. Yeah, Ran Paul refuses.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
To Yeah, right, And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think it's a challenging situation because you don't have
full control. You can't do the cuts, because it's not
a business, it's democracy. Well, they're seeing that the midterms
are coming up and that if they alienate enough people,
they'll lose the House. Well, all I concerns.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
All I'm trying to say is that the first step
is to face reality, give me the truth. If you
want to guarantee people that you're not going to throw
them in jail, if you'll just tell us the truth,
that's the first step. I'd be happy with that. But
that doesn't seem to happen. They throw these experts out
there and tell us to just ignore what's right in
(13:32):
front of our face. But let me go ahead and
play a couple of minutes of Dave Smith, Okay, talking
about Rfkjunior because that's a positive thing. And I really
think part of RFK Junior. One reason I'm crazy about
this guy is he's independently wealthy, so they can't bribe him.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He's not in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
He isn't in it for the money. And he is
really dedicated to this stuff. I mean, he isn't swayed
with the argument. House is going to come tumbling down
if you do this. He doesn't care about He's.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well, he's seen the corruption over decades. Right, he's very
very You're right, he's very He's uncorruptible.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think so if other people could be as dedicated
as he is, I would be much happier. So this
is part of the problem. HHS finally admits the truth.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You know, topic which I don't know, you know, we
just we spend so much time over the years talking
about it. But so Bobby Kennedy just came out and
said that the Health Department is no longer recommending that
healthy children get the COVID vaccine, which is good it
you know, it's some of us might have been hoping
(14:43):
for a little bit more out of this administration, but hey,
that's that's a positive step in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But I have just because.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I guess partially because the I guess yesterday or the
day before was the five year anniversary of George flo
It's death and certain and then also with the you know,
the Health Department doing reversal on the vaccines, it's just
been I've been thinking a lot about like those years,
(15:15):
and there's just there's been a lot of the like
the compilations that are on Twitter of like what the
media was saying at the time, and it's so strange
now five years later to look back at twenty twenty
obviously the vaccines were talking more about twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two, but it is wild, like how much
(15:35):
happened in the in half a decade, you know, in
the last five years, and so there is something as
we're kind of climbing out of that to it just
brings up a lot of these memories of how crazy
everything went. Anyway, good good move by Bobby to stop
(15:58):
recommending that kids get this thing. It is one of
those things though, like when you just watch even when
government policy gets it right, it lags so far behind,
like are what are we even on what what COVID strain?
Are we even on. I don't even know what you
call it. Like, the last one I learned was omicron.
(16:20):
I have no idea what strain of COVID this is.
It's certainly not the same one, right, Rob, It's got
to be a different one now, I'm sure it's less deadly.
It's like you've gotten to a point where the thought
of a kid having like a severe negative outcome from
COVID is like statistically impossible. I think kids get healthier
(16:41):
from having COVID at this point, and like, so now
they're finally like, oh, yeah, you know, we're not recommended
you take that vaccina at anymore. Which, by the way,
at the height of it, almost no one was given
this thing to their kid, Like, even at the height
of it, when the overwhelming majority of adults had complied
with getting the job. Some of us me and you,
(17:02):
Rob remain pure bloods. But even at the height of it,
people weren't giving it to their kids in large numbers.
Now you're almost like, who was even thinking about that?
But anyway, they're not recommending it, and that is good.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I thought COVID just went back to being the flu.
That's that's what I thought. I thought we were just
done with it. And you know what, at this point,
if any parent out there wanted to give their kid
the booster shots and give them to them every year
and every six months, maybe they should just get the
Darwin Awards for getting rid of their own officer. You
parenthood is very late abortions. I'm shocked at any doctor
(17:42):
in the country was still recommending this. I'd be surprised.
I'd love to know the numbers of how many parents
were going into a doctor's clinic and recommending the latest
COVID booster. This seems like no longer relevant information or
policy that it even needed to be made. I'd love
to hear the numbers. It just seems shocking that this
announcement needed happened. And if we're going to revisit COVID,
(18:02):
let's be prosecuting Fauci. I don't need these little tiny
announcements about something that people shouldn't have been doing anyways.
And I'm surprised was a law or or recommendation that
was even still in the books.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, it's well right, Yeah, look, I couldn't agree with
you more. I mean, I understand legal technicalities with the
autopenicide that Fauci does have a blanket pardon. So you know,
I don't know what the you know, how practical it
is to prosecute him at this point, but I'd even
be happy with just presenting the case.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Find him, you know, like even just for the hell
of it, and parade him in front of Congress, and
I actually force and to answer all these questions and
unwind some of what was going on behind the scenes
that he pushed this as far as he did.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Okay, so that's good enough. And I want to comment
that Dave Smith is a libertarian and libertarians are perfectionistic,
so he almost sounds like he's being critical RFK Junior.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But it is, it is a little thing, and it's
really really late.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He's right about all of that. But RFK Jr. Just
elevated himself to the point where he can do something
about all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
And it is it's ridiculous that the government supported. I mean,
you can see commercials paid for by the government for
children to be vaccinated. You can still see that there
are still they're in collusion with big Pharma, bad bad bag.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, they're still advertising.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
So I mean, it's the least he can do. I'm
not blown away by the I mean, it's kind of like,
of course, you don't recommend the COVID vaccine. COVID vaccine
only works for a couple of months, even if it
works well.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But it's just great that RFK Junior is doing what
he's doing. And I don't care if it took forever,
and I don't care if the pharmaceutical companies are still
advertising for these your vaccines. Care happy that someone is
sitting there pointing a finger and getting the truth out
there too.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And you're more forgiving of RFK for some reason than
you are of Cash Patel, are Elon Musk, They're all
doing the best thing.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I forgive Elon Musk, he had no choice. Cash Patel
has maintained his position and has decided to go down
the route of follow me. I'm the expert, which I
completely disagree with.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You think they're lying to us. I mean, you may
have a point.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You must. Didn't do that. Elon Musk, he just had
no choice.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He is an amazing person. How he cuts through and
he tells the truth about stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
He tried. He tried, He did the best he could.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, they may have cut out.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He butted up against the deep state and realized I
can't win this, and he backed down.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, good for him in a way to deal with reality.
It's like, yeah, I'm going to stir this with a stick.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now. There may be there's some other heroes in the
Trump administration, and they may prove themselves or not. But
this Cash Fetell thing. Those two guys that look like
guilty ten year.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Old apparently there's some body language people that don't like
their body language.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
When you look at it, you'll see they look guilty,
like two kids who are guilty. Really, two kids sitting
at the kitchen table with their parents accusing them of
something and they just look guilty.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, there's so many facts of suspicion around that guy's death. Well,
I mean, you know, you just can't believe what you hear.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, and again I don't care, I do, but just
don't throw the expert argument at me. Give me some facts. Anyway.
That's where I am.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
You're disappointed, I'm disappointing.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
My heart is broken. I had big expectations about some
of these heroes that Trump pulled into his administration, and
for them to go down the same path that I
have seen before breaks me.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, I still have hope.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, good
Speaker 4 (22:11):
H.
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