August 27, 2025 • 17 mins
John Locke came up with the idea of natural rights, which are much better than the instincts of our caveman ancestors! He called those natural rights life, liberty, and property. But of course as civilization has evolved It has gone a lot further than that. Dave Smith talks about some of the government abuses that force us into wars.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to the podcast Coffee with Mike and Julie
Libertarians Talk Psychology. This is current commentary from an NBA
businessman and a PhD psychologist.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're having a little problem with the microphones today, so
it will probably be a little bit of a short
podcast anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Also, I want to shout out to Susan and thanks
Susan for her nice card.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Her nice card card.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I received a card from a friend by the name
of Susan, and I just I wanted to thank her
for that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, she has listened to our podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
She listens to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
With one stone. I don't have to send a card back,
and I'm in such crappy shape with my arthritis. It's
hard to get a card in the mail. It's hard
to write a card. So I'm just gonna thank her,
and I hope she listens to this. This will be
the ones you don't listen to. I got my return,
feel pressure to respond, so I've responded.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, good for you, Thank you, Sue. Today's topic has
to do with natural rights, which is a concept that
our founders dealt with. We recently watched a show Quest
for Fire and we watched prehistoric man completely without central
(01:30):
control or central government of any kind, and they were brutal,
cannibalism to theft, and violence. It was brutal. But the
thing that I noticed about it is within a small group,
it was kind of a libertarian thing. They didn't abuse
each other as long as it was a small group.
When they get outside of their group, they were abusive
and terrible, and they just operated on their instincts. They'd
(01:53):
do anything in order to eat. And this has always
been something that I've been real curious about, is how
to structure society so that you maximize individual freedom and
minimize government. Any comments so far.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, I didn't see the same thing in the movie
you saw, but it's interesting to note that you saw
the group boundary. I didn't notice that they were particularly
kind to people within their tribe, but I do know
from evolutionary psychology that the tribes you know, were very loyal.
(02:29):
The individuals within the tribe were very.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Long, and I would say that to take it a
step further, just look at Indian tribes. Indian tribes were
kind of the same way. Within their tribe, they were
very loyal and they could get by.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Fun and ethics were for the tribe members, right, ethics
weren't for your non tribe members.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, outside of their tribe, and that included the white
Man and every other Indian tribe, they would steal and
be violent. So yeah, so they were operating golf of
their instincts. Now, the philosopher that came up with the
concept of natural rights, and by the way, a little later,
I'm going to play a Dave Smith clip kind of
(03:13):
talks about war and kind of talks about.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
How is there any other topic Dave Smith talks about
or is it always?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's his number one, number one topic? That's his number one.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But we just watched Pat Yeah what a movie.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that was a great.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But that perform course, George C. Scott got Best Actor
and he deserved it. He deserved it. Of course he
had a lot to work with with. Patton was in
that case.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But the original philosopher was a gun named John Locke,
and he said that people have inalienable rights. In other words,
there's some phrases that John Locke used that Thomas Jefferson
used inalienable rights and John Locke referred to life, liberty,
and property, And of course Thomas Jefferson said, pursuit of happiness.
But it's really the concept is the same. John Locke
(04:06):
believed the very minimalist government would allow you to have life, liberty,
and property. And the problem is when you start getting
into the definition, especially the definition of property, you start
having to have some central authority that's going to enforce
ethical behavior between the people and the.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think you're always going to have that. Your God
is going to have people are going to cheat if
they can get away with it. You're going to have
to have some kind of enforcement, right.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I don't guess there's a whole lot more to
say about that, except that I'm fascinated with the topic.
And that is the question I would love to arrive
at someday. I doubt that I'll arrive at it today.
But how do you design a society to maximize that
individual freedom, to maximize those natural rights?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Surprise that you would say that, how do you design
a society to maximize individual rights? We have a book
called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I mean,
our founding fathers did the best they could. I mean,
I'm sure it could be improved upon, but that's how
you do it. They'd answer that, well, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And my point is what a disaster it has turned into. Now,
I would say I completely agree with you that our
founding fathers were very much tent to John Locke, and
they were very much into natural rights, and they did
a terrific job, or a terrific attempt to have the
three branches of government, the checks and balances. That's a
(05:38):
terrific idea. But I am very disappointed.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's the Bill of Rights plugged a lot of holes
that they had left.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
If I had one thing that I wish I could
suggest to our founding fathers, it would be the economist
Walter Williams said that our governing body should only make
laws so that they apply to everyone equally. That when
we allowed our government to make laws that applied unequally,
(06:10):
then people started playing the game, started playing the system,
and started taking advantage of government and business collusion.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's a very good point. That's a very good point.
That's an improvement that should be made.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I'm going to go straight to the clip from
Dave Smith, and what I'm trying to illustrate with this
clip is that we are a long ways away from
a minimalist government that allows life, liberty, and property.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
For the last forty to fifty years, now that you
look at it, clearly, now that we look at it,
clearly have been demised of individual freedom.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right. So here you go. This is part of the
Problem podcast from August eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Two of them together after all these years.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Now, you know, for people who don't remember, Vladimir Putin
and Donald Trump did meet in Helsinki back in what
I believe was twenty eighteen. And the huge controversy back then,
Rob right, was that Donald Trump said that he believed
Vladimir Putin because all the questions were about him interfering
(07:17):
in the twenty sixteen election. And Vladimir Putin was like,
I didn't interfere in the twenty sixteen election. And then
they asked Trump, they said, you know, you know, he's
saying he didn't interfere in the election.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Do you believe him? And he goes, you know, I
believe him. He tells me he wasn't involved in that.
I believe him.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
And this is what the entire corporate media tried to
spin as treason by Donald Trump because he dared to
say that he trusted Vladimir putin over his own intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And it is with.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
All of the evidence that's come out since that time,
and even the most recent stuff that Tulsey Gabbard's been releasing,
it is it is something to think about the fact
that like Donald Trump ran in twenty sixteen on deton
with Russia, he explicitly ran on getting along with Russia
(08:08):
and not moving in this, you know, more and more
hostile direction, and then when he tried to do it
in twenty eighteen, they all accused him of treason for
this thing that we've now learned that they completely made
up and planted and used just for this purpose. I mean,
for a few purposes, but this was one of the
(08:28):
major ones to prevent the democratically elected president of the
United States of America from enacting the policy that he
ran on, that the American people supported to enact his
policy with regard to getting along with the biggest nuclear
power in the history of the world.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's just that that's a.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Crazy story to then see it all come to at
least they're in the same room and at least there's
talk of trying to end the bloodshed and wing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
To reach some type of deal.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So I don't know it just thinking about a lot
of those things, like all about Russiagate, and it really
does when you see how high the stakes are, it's
like it gives you a whole nother level of appreciation
for how criminal Russia Gate was, you know what I mean,
Like it it's very easy for us to always like
stop at the level of the intelligence agencies tried to
(09:25):
frame the duly elected president of the United States of
America for treason because really, do you like when you
say that out left, do you need to go further
than that? Like that seems to be enough. That seems
to be more than enough for this to be like
one of the greatest outrages in the history of the
United States of America, Right, But it's actually quite a
bit worse than that, because it was actually intentionally being
(09:49):
used to prevent Donald Trump from pursuing his policy agenda,
which was to get along with the country with the
biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the history of the world.
And they intentionally thwarted that, and that has already resulted
(10:09):
in a war where hundreds of thousands, perhaps well over
a million, people have died. So like it's just like,
as you think about that. It really is. It gives
you a whole new feeling. Even though listen, I know
the administration is already a failed administration. I know that
they're probably not going to deliver on ten percent of
the good things that they promised. But like, and I
(10:31):
know that they're pivoting away from the Epstein cover up,
but it does. It did just leave me with another
thing of like, man, they really those people who did
Russia Gate really need to pay, Like they really do
need to be held to account to that. It's just
so it's hard to overstate what a profound crime that was.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, and my point is, look at what a well
con system it is. They're kind of allows such a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, didn't you mention that he had a list of things,
you know, like this was Russia Gate was one of them,
and there was you know, COVID vaccines, and then there
was the impeachment, the phone call was Olenski. You mentioned
he had a list.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I couldn't find it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
When you went back, when you went back to look
for it, you couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, Scott Adams talks about all these things, Epstein files.
You know, it's obvious that there's a deep state. It
became super obvious to us. But as Trump is uncovering,
by the way, what is he saying about their failed administration.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh, he's just saying that he's not always in favor
of Trump. You know, he thinks Trump let down the
American public over this Epstein stuff. He's let down the
public over the dog stuff. In general, he's in favor
of Trump, but he's very vocal about it when he
doesn't think Trump followed through what he said he was
going to do.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
H Okay, he couldn't get the senior citizens social Security
tax relief into the big beautiful bills, so he just
did an executor. I found Trump to follow through with
his promises.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, well, you do tend to like the guy, and
I do too.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I kind of like Patten. Also, even though Patton slapped a.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Sick shaffed those soldiers slapped.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Those soldiers one of them had in malaria and like
one hundred and four temperature.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I've already mentioned the thing sure would have been
a helpful thing that if Congress could only pass laws
that applied equally to everybody, that that would have made
a big difference in our country. The other thing that
worked pretty well for a lot of years, a lot
of decades and maybe centuries was our journalism. Our journalism
(12:41):
was the detection system, and our journalists did pretty much
keep the government honest until as far as I'm concerned,
until about five or ten years ago, when they just
got totally in bed with government and in bed with
the big time businesses and got into the cancel culture.
(13:03):
And of course part of their incentive for that is
they hated Trump so much they didn't team up with
anybody else rather than team up with Trump. So we
had a serious problem there when the journalists did not
exercise journalism and did not allow of free speech.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
There was no detection system. But I don't agree that
it was five years ago. I think it's more like
twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You could be right.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Our time were gone in the seventies and eighties eighties, for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Sure, well, the journalists weren't as good, but I didn't
see it myself until the cancel culture came.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, you know, the hypothesis might be that the cheating
became more prevalent because there was no detection system, right, absolutely,
I mean, the people could get away with it absolutely
well that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And of course that just makes me grateful about the
Internet and modern podcast casting that that has become the
new free speech and the new detection system.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I tell you was that I remember saying this, that
the internet was going to save us, you know, from
the demise of true journalists like my parents. You know
the thing I noticed about my parents, and they were
two journalists, it wasn't about money, and then it became
about money for journalists, and they associated themselves with the universities.
(14:28):
Remember I went to that seminar by the I think
it was Louisiana Press Association held a seminar and they
brought in a bunch of professors and all that. It
was a bunch of stupid idiots. They didn't know what
they were talking about. They talked about government, they wanted
government funding. It was naiy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They just live in their own little bubble and they
believe they're big believers in their own little bubble.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Anyway, it was a fiasta.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I thought, well, I think I've made the point that
I can possibly make. I do not have the answer.
One answer I do have that I do think we're
probably going to accomplish, is the free speech does seem
to be coming back. That's where my hopes are.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, there's I'm kind of gonna change the subject
just a little bit backwards. The Tenth Amendment that says
the rights not listed here are the privilege of the
rights that the states don't have or the privilege of
the individual. We should reinstall that. The Supreme Court should
reinstall that. That is a big protection for violation of
(15:34):
individual freedom and states rights. We should follow what the
founding fathers put in the damn Bill of Rights.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I like that, that would be good.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
We should take some away from the states. The states
should be accountable.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Takes solignty away from this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, that's another if issue a state. You can't sue
the state for violating your rights. Okay, states should be
accountable like an individual. Anyway, that's a different topic.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, Well that's all I've got is all that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I got that you talked.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't have the list I wish I had it,
couldn't find it. I got tired of looking for it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know the fact that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, let me just from memory, is the Russia Gate, COVID,
the impeachments, the investigation, the multimillion dollar investigations, that turn
up nothing, the announcement that they have nothing right after
the midterm elections. I mean, it is a corrupt, broken system.
(16:36):
And then the whole time that's going on, our military
industrial complex is involved in Afghanistan, and now it's involved
in Ukraine, and now they're all looking forward to Israel.
We are totally blind dead when it comes to our
military industrial complex telling us what, Okay, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well,
You're listening to the podcast Coffee with Mike and Julie
Libertarians Talk Psychology. This is current commentary from an NBA
businessman and a PhD psychologist.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're having a little problem with the microphones today, so
it will probably be a little bit of a short
podcast anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Also, I want to shout out to Susan and thanks
Susan for her nice card.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Her nice card card.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I received a card from a friend by the name
of Susan, and I just I wanted to thank her
for that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, she has listened to our podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
She listens to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
With one stone. I don't have to send a card back,
and I'm in such crappy shape with my arthritis. It's
hard to get a card in the mail. It's hard
to write a card. So I'm just gonna thank her,
and I hope she listens to this. This will be
the ones you don't listen to. I got my return,
feel pressure to respond, so I've responded.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, good for you, Thank you, Sue. Today's topic has
to do with natural rights, which is a concept that
our founders dealt with. We recently watched a show Quest
for Fire and we watched prehistoric man completely without central
(01:30):
control or central government of any kind, and they were brutal,
cannibalism to theft, and violence. It was brutal. But the
thing that I noticed about it is within a small group,
it was kind of a libertarian thing. They didn't abuse
each other as long as it was a small group.
When they get outside of their group, they were abusive
and terrible, and they just operated on their instincts. They'd
(01:53):
do anything in order to eat. And this has always
been something that I've been real curious about, is how
to structure society so that you maximize individual freedom and
minimize government. Any comments so far.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, I didn't see the same thing in the movie
you saw, but it's interesting to note that you saw
the group boundary. I didn't notice that they were particularly
kind to people within their tribe, but I do know
from evolutionary psychology that the tribes you know, were very loyal.
(02:29):
The individuals within the tribe were very.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Long, and I would say that to take it a
step further, just look at Indian tribes. Indian tribes were
kind of the same way. Within their tribe, they were
very loyal and they could get by.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Fun and ethics were for the tribe members, right, ethics
weren't for your non tribe members.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, outside of their tribe, and that included the white
Man and every other Indian tribe, they would steal and
be violent. So yeah, so they were operating golf of
their instincts. Now, the philosopher that came up with the
concept of natural rights, and by the way, a little later,
I'm going to play a Dave Smith clip kind of
(03:13):
talks about war and kind of talks about.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
How is there any other topic Dave Smith talks about
or is it always?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's his number one, number one topic? That's his number one.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But we just watched Pat Yeah what a movie.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that was a great.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But that perform course, George C. Scott got Best Actor
and he deserved it. He deserved it. Of course he
had a lot to work with with. Patton was in
that case.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But the original philosopher was a gun named John Locke,
and he said that people have inalienable rights. In other words,
there's some phrases that John Locke used that Thomas Jefferson
used inalienable rights and John Locke referred to life, liberty,
and property, And of course Thomas Jefferson said, pursuit of happiness.
But it's really the concept is the same. John Locke
(04:06):
believed the very minimalist government would allow you to have life, liberty,
and property. And the problem is when you start getting
into the definition, especially the definition of property, you start
having to have some central authority that's going to enforce
ethical behavior between the people and the.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think you're always going to have that. Your God
is going to have people are going to cheat if
they can get away with it. You're going to have
to have some kind of enforcement, right.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I don't guess there's a whole lot more to
say about that, except that I'm fascinated with the topic.
And that is the question I would love to arrive
at someday. I doubt that I'll arrive at it today.
But how do you design a society to maximize that
individual freedom, to maximize those natural rights?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Surprise that you would say that, how do you design
a society to maximize individual rights? We have a book
called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I mean,
our founding fathers did the best they could. I mean,
I'm sure it could be improved upon, but that's how
you do it. They'd answer that, well, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And my point is what a disaster it has turned into. Now,
I would say I completely agree with you that our
founding fathers were very much tent to John Locke, and
they were very much into natural rights, and they did
a terrific job, or a terrific attempt to have the
three branches of government, the checks and balances. That's a
(05:38):
terrific idea. But I am very disappointed.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's the Bill of Rights plugged a lot of holes
that they had left.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
If I had one thing that I wish I could
suggest to our founding fathers, it would be the economist
Walter Williams said that our governing body should only make
laws so that they apply to everyone equally. That when
we allowed our government to make laws that applied unequally,
(06:10):
then people started playing the game, started playing the system,
and started taking advantage of government and business collusion.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's a very good point. That's a very good point.
That's an improvement that should be made.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I'm going to go straight to the clip from
Dave Smith, and what I'm trying to illustrate with this
clip is that we are a long ways away from
a minimalist government that allows life, liberty, and property.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
For the last forty to fifty years, now that you
look at it, clearly, now that we look at it,
clearly have been demised of individual freedom.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right. So here you go. This is part of the
Problem podcast from August eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Two of them together after all these years.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Now, you know, for people who don't remember, Vladimir Putin
and Donald Trump did meet in Helsinki back in what
I believe was twenty eighteen. And the huge controversy back then,
Rob right, was that Donald Trump said that he believed
Vladimir Putin because all the questions were about him interfering
(07:17):
in the twenty sixteen election. And Vladimir Putin was like,
I didn't interfere in the twenty sixteen election. And then
they asked Trump, they said, you know, you know, he's
saying he didn't interfere in the election.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Do you believe him? And he goes, you know, I
believe him. He tells me he wasn't involved in that.
I believe him.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
And this is what the entire corporate media tried to
spin as treason by Donald Trump because he dared to
say that he trusted Vladimir putin over his own intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And it is with.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
All of the evidence that's come out since that time,
and even the most recent stuff that Tulsey Gabbard's been releasing,
it is it is something to think about the fact
that like Donald Trump ran in twenty sixteen on deton
with Russia, he explicitly ran on getting along with Russia
(08:08):
and not moving in this, you know, more and more
hostile direction, and then when he tried to do it
in twenty eighteen, they all accused him of treason for
this thing that we've now learned that they completely made
up and planted and used just for this purpose. I mean,
for a few purposes, but this was one of the
(08:28):
major ones to prevent the democratically elected president of the
United States of America from enacting the policy that he
ran on, that the American people supported to enact his
policy with regard to getting along with the biggest nuclear
power in the history of the world.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's just that that's a.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Crazy story to then see it all come to at
least they're in the same room and at least there's
talk of trying to end the bloodshed and wing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
To reach some type of deal.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So I don't know it just thinking about a lot
of those things, like all about Russiagate, and it really
does when you see how high the stakes are, it's
like it gives you a whole nother level of appreciation
for how criminal Russia Gate was, you know what I mean,
Like it it's very easy for us to always like
stop at the level of the intelligence agencies tried to
(09:25):
frame the duly elected president of the United States of
America for treason because really, do you like when you
say that out left, do you need to go further
than that? Like that seems to be enough. That seems
to be more than enough for this to be like
one of the greatest outrages in the history of the
United States of America, Right, But it's actually quite a
bit worse than that, because it was actually intentionally being
(09:49):
used to prevent Donald Trump from pursuing his policy agenda,
which was to get along with the country with the
biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the history of the world.
And they intentionally thwarted that, and that has already resulted
(10:09):
in a war where hundreds of thousands, perhaps well over
a million, people have died. So like it's just like,
as you think about that. It really is. It gives
you a whole new feeling. Even though listen, I know
the administration is already a failed administration. I know that
they're probably not going to deliver on ten percent of
the good things that they promised. But like, and I
(10:31):
know that they're pivoting away from the Epstein cover up,
but it does. It did just leave me with another
thing of like, man, they really those people who did
Russia Gate really need to pay, Like they really do
need to be held to account to that. It's just
so it's hard to overstate what a profound crime that was.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, and my point is, look at what a well
con system it is. They're kind of allows such a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, didn't you mention that he had a list of things,
you know, like this was Russia Gate was one of them,
and there was you know, COVID vaccines, and then there
was the impeachment, the phone call was Olenski. You mentioned
he had a list.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I couldn't find it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
When you went back, when you went back to look
for it, you couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, Scott Adams talks about all these things, Epstein files.
You know, it's obvious that there's a deep state. It
became super obvious to us. But as Trump is uncovering,
by the way, what is he saying about their failed administration.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh, he's just saying that he's not always in favor
of Trump. You know, he thinks Trump let down the
American public over this Epstein stuff. He's let down the
public over the dog stuff. In general, he's in favor
of Trump, but he's very vocal about it when he
doesn't think Trump followed through what he said he was
going to do.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
H Okay, he couldn't get the senior citizens social Security
tax relief into the big beautiful bills, so he just
did an executor. I found Trump to follow through with
his promises.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, well, you do tend to like the guy, and
I do too.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I kind of like Patten. Also, even though Patton slapped a.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Sick shaffed those soldiers slapped.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Those soldiers one of them had in malaria and like
one hundred and four temperature.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I've already mentioned the thing sure would have been
a helpful thing that if Congress could only pass laws
that applied equally to everybody, that that would have made
a big difference in our country. The other thing that
worked pretty well for a lot of years, a lot
of decades and maybe centuries was our journalism. Our journalism
(12:41):
was the detection system, and our journalists did pretty much
keep the government honest until as far as I'm concerned,
until about five or ten years ago, when they just
got totally in bed with government and in bed with
the big time businesses and got into the cancel culture.
(13:03):
And of course part of their incentive for that is
they hated Trump so much they didn't team up with
anybody else rather than team up with Trump. So we
had a serious problem there when the journalists did not
exercise journalism and did not allow of free speech.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
There was no detection system. But I don't agree that
it was five years ago. I think it's more like
twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You could be right.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Our time were gone in the seventies and eighties eighties, for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Sure, well, the journalists weren't as good, but I didn't
see it myself until the cancel culture came.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, you know, the hypothesis might be that the cheating
became more prevalent because there was no detection system, right, absolutely,
I mean, the people could get away with it absolutely
well that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And of course that just makes me grateful about the
Internet and modern podcast casting that that has become the
new free speech and the new detection system.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I tell you was that I remember saying this, that
the internet was going to save us, you know, from
the demise of true journalists like my parents. You know
the thing I noticed about my parents, and they were
two journalists, it wasn't about money, and then it became
about money for journalists, and they associated themselves with the universities.
(14:28):
Remember I went to that seminar by the I think
it was Louisiana Press Association held a seminar and they
brought in a bunch of professors and all that. It
was a bunch of stupid idiots. They didn't know what
they were talking about. They talked about government, they wanted
government funding. It was naiy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They just live in their own little bubble and they
believe they're big believers in their own little bubble.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Anyway, it was a fiasta.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I thought, well, I think I've made the point that
I can possibly make. I do not have the answer.
One answer I do have that I do think we're
probably going to accomplish, is the free speech does seem
to be coming back. That's where my hopes are.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, there's I'm kind of gonna change the subject
just a little bit backwards. The Tenth Amendment that says
the rights not listed here are the privilege of the
rights that the states don't have or the privilege of
the individual. We should reinstall that. The Supreme Court should
reinstall that. That is a big protection for violation of
(15:34):
individual freedom and states rights. We should follow what the
founding fathers put in the damn Bill of Rights.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I like that, that would be good.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
We should take some away from the states. The states
should be accountable.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Takes solignty away from this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, that's another if issue a state. You can't sue
the state for violating your rights. Okay, states should be
accountable like an individual. Anyway, that's a different topic.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, Well that's all I've got is all that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I got that you talked.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't have the list I wish I had it,
couldn't find it. I got tired of looking for it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know the fact that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, let me just from memory, is the Russia Gate, COVID,
the impeachments, the investigation, the multimillion dollar investigations, that turn
up nothing, the announcement that they have nothing right after
the midterm elections. I mean, it is a corrupt, broken system.
(16:36):
And then the whole time that's going on, our military
industrial complex is involved in Afghanistan, and now it's involved
in Ukraine, and now they're all looking forward to Israel.
We are totally blind dead when it comes to our
military industrial complex telling us what, Okay, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well,
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