November 28, 2025 • 39 mins
Seg 1 – An Oval Office Head Spin
Seg 2 – The Populist Nexus
Seg 3 – Political Words of Power?
Seg 4 – Making NYC Great Again
Seg 2 – The Populist Nexus
Seg 3 – Political Words of Power?
Seg 4 – Making NYC Great Again
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I am as always your host, Mark Angeladies, and we're
joined by once again Liberty Nations senior political analysts and
longtime hosts of this here radio show that I know
you know in love, mister Tim Donner. Thanks for being
(01:16):
back with this.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Tim, always a pleasure. Now it's a pleasure Mark. Let's
have fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We'll try. We couldn't escape dragging you back in for
this week. Though. After the some would call it momentus,
some would call it a great meeting. Some would say, sir,
there's never been such a good meeting in the Oval
Office between New York mayrill elect Zora and Mandani and
the President of the United States, mister Donald J. Trump,
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And they had what I think was well, give me
your thoughts on it, Tim, You've written extensively on this
as well on the page of libutinnation dot com. But
give me your thoughts on how you think that meeting
went in the public vision.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, Mark.
I'll tell you what it was like, being in an
alternate reality, like you were viewing some surreal experience. It
was hard to even fathom because, of course, you know,
as I wrote in libertynation dot com, on the day
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of the meeting, in anticipation of it, grabbed the popcorn
because it was going to be quite a spectacle, But
there wasn't. And I think the media was very disappointed too,
And I think everybody on both sides of the was
sort of in a state of shop that these two
men could find the kind of common ground that they
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evidently were able to discover. And what I wrote on
after the weekend on libertynation dot com sort of looking
back at that, is that what they do share is
a populist worldview that you respond to the particular concerns
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of the population at any particular time, and so on
that basis, it made some sense. It also made sense
that Mamdani knows that he's got to rely on Trump
to keep this bigot open for federal funding upon which
Mamdani will be very dependent. And Trump really does love
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New York City. There's no question that's the place that
launched him to global stardom and to become the most
powerful man in the world, despite the protestations of his
own hometown. To be sure, but I think they do
share a common desire to make New York City work.
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And with that shared desire some of the differences can
be deconstructed. Obviously they come from dramatically different polar opos
a world views. However, it shows that in politics, unlike
we've seen over about most of the last dozen years
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or so, there can be some crossing up the aisle
to get things done. And I think Trump sort of
became an exemplar of that. So did Mom Donnie, and
I think they were both drawn to each other's immense char.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You know, I was actually not surprised that it went
so well. I really wasn't. I know, in hindsight, everybody
can say, oh, of course this is happening, but you know,
I have a track record of calling these things. But
I wasn't that surprised because there are there's a media
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image of Donald Trump, and then there's the real Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump has been wildly success full of his
whole life. He's up until he became the Republican nominee
for president back in twenty fifteen, he was widely loved
by just about everybody. And you don't do that with it,
but at least you don't get to that position without
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at least being moderately charming and being able to speak
to people who do not necessarily share your point of view.
I mean, that's how else do you build a business empire? Right?
And so I figured he would he would, you know,
be the gracious host as it were, because he's got
the opportunity to present now whether Zoora and Mandani wants
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this or not, and I'm almost certainly he doesn't. Trump
sort of presented as I'm a mentor of Zora and
Mandani even though they're on opposite sides, because you know,
he's doing the backpacking and we'll talk about this later.
But when one of the reporters asked, Zora Mandani, you
call Donald Trump a fascist? Do you stand by that?
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And Donald Trump turround said you can just say yes,
it's easy. You know. It was showing two things. One
that Donald Trump loves a winner. He likes hanging out
with winners, and Zorah Hamdowni is a winner, no doubt
about it. And the other thing is there's been this
constant narrative for the last ten years that Donald Trump
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is thin skinned. Now he's reactive. I've always agreed that
he's reactive, but I've never felt he was thin skin
because you can't survive so long in politics and then
reached the affige if you think eight years down the
line of nine years down the line of your political
career and be thin skin because you make too many
enemies along the way. And yet he's rallied the party
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back around him. And you know, you've had Gretchen Whitmer
walk through the doors. There, You've had Bill Maher, who
has made a career in the last decade of I
mean he already had a career of course, but of
being notably anti Trump. Went for dinner with Donald Trump
and apparently had a very nice time, and they got
along quite nicely, and so I wasn't all that surprised.
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But how much of what we are presented from the
media and from congressional Democrats, how much that's just a
facade of what the real Donald Trump is.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, I think when Donald Trump said to Zorinman done,
he just answered, yes, it's fine, and he gave the
kind of knowing smile that said, look, this is just politics.
I understand it. I may not really think you're e comy,
you may not really think I'm a fascist. Just go
ahead and say, yes, give them what they want, because
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it's all just a show. But let's not forget that
when unold Trump was rising to start him in New York,
when he was rebuilding the New York Skyline, he had
to deal with a city that was ninety five percent Democratic.
So he learned a long time ago that you have
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to know how to deal with the adversaries, are those
who believe things different than you do. And of course
it led many conservatives to be very skeptical of it
because he had proclaimed to be pro choice. For example,
he had said nice things about Clinton, Bill Clinton and
invited Hillary Clinton tho his wedding and all this stuff.
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So he's used to crossing to the other side of
a divide, so to speak. And I think he just
called on that again. And I think he quite enjoyed
confounding the media and his own party and the Democratic Party.
I think the reaction from the left was very similar
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to the right. It was kind of like here was
a favorite uncle sitting there at at the resolute desk
with his favorite nephew, Zoran, dutifully standing by his side
and patting him from time to time and say you're
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doing well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yet you know, yes, there was very much a lot
of that. Now. You mentioned earlier about the populis bent
that both men have, and we're going to discuss that
after this short break. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
For your freedom and your liberty. Liberty Nation with Mark Edge.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Ladies Andrew back on Liberty Nation Radio Head Coast Coast
on the Radio America Network. I remain Mark Angelidies. We're
continuing our conversation with Tim Donn and now earlier in
the show, Tom, we were discussing the meeting between zeron
Man Damian President Trump in the Oval Office, and you
touched on something that I really wanted to dig into,
so let's not let that go. But both of these men,
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they have a very populist bent about them, don't they,
And it's coming from from different sides for what they
perceive the populace to actually be wanting and the remedies
maybe the maybe I've got that wrong. Have I got
that wrong to maybe they both want the same thing,
they just have different ways of achieving.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, well that used to be how politics was before
Donald Trump. Is it to two sides disagreed on the
way to get where they both wanted to go, But
they didn't call each other fascists or communists. They didn't
you try to really undermine a presidency with false investigations
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and charges, which of course happened constantly through Donald Trump's
first term. You know, it is possible for people to
agree on some things if they're assessing the prop Yes,
if they're assessing the problem, they can agree. And that
brings to mind a great story that my wife, Lisa,
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the executive editor of Libertynation dot com. She and I
would sit at a public gathering or at airport during
the twenty sixteen presidential campaign, and when somebody rebellious it
looked like they were rebel walked by. Someone would say
long hair and unconventional dress, would pass by. We'd look
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at each other and go, what do you think Trump
was Bernie? And the point was that you had rebels
on both sides of the political aisle that were tired
of the respective establishments of the Republican and Democratic parties.
And thus, when Bernie Sanders was basically pushed out of
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the primary in twenty sixteen, many of his voters crossed
over and then voted for Trump because they both identified
the same problems. And likewise, it's reported, and I think
reliably so, that at least ten percent of the people
who voted for Trump in New York City in twenty
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twenty four, or polled believer for Mom Donnie in twenty
twenty five. And that's nature popularism is that it's not
a fixed ideological belief system. It's really an accommodation to
the stated and most besperate needs of the population, so
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that you become a lot more flexible that if you're
a doctrinaire conservative or liberal.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's very much an element of pragmatism around populism. I
think that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Sometimes they call it a transactional view of politics, like
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And I wonder about that transactional view under Zorah Mandonie
in Mandonni in New York because, as you pointed out earlier,
the mayor elect, he does need the federal spigot, especially
as even though New York State Governor Kathy Hokel has
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vastly endorsed him, she has been quite clear that all
of his plans, you know, that they're going to have
to be either scaled back or ditched entirely, or put
on a back burn until a later date, because what
he's suggesting costs a lot of money. The many things
he's suggesting all costs a lot of money and other
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than just raising taxes in there by scaring off your
tax base. I mean, anybody who thinks the laugh of
curve doesn't work in this day and age, they've got it.
They need to examine something, either head or an economics book.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh they still want to call it trickle down economics, sure,
which is a pejorative of course. But the lap for
a curve is you know, to me almost indisputably correct
in terms of where government revenues cross with you know,
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debt versus growth.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, you got to get the sweet spot, right. I
mean that is actually making I follow a lot of
the conservative right YouTubers and Twitter exers, I don't know
what you call that, posting their exhibits maybe, and the
laughter curve is getting a it's getting a resurgence among
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the people much younger than me. So people who maybe
weren't even alive in the nineteen eighty four when he
came out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Earlier that probably eighty one eighty.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, people who weren't even alive then, and they're talking
about it. They've got to understand the laugh for curve,
and I love seeing its resurgence. I've completely forgotten what
my point was here, Tim, But.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, but you made another really alternative.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And sure, yeah, so there's this this issue that sorry,
that was it that zero. Mandani needs the federal needs
federal funds to keep things going while he continues to
push for the the revolutionary ideas. I'm not saying that's
a good or a bad thing in terms of revolutionary,
but the revolutionary ideas he has for New York City.
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He needs that money to continue, and he needs not
to be in contention where the money might get held
up in at the women of the President or buy
an executive order that then has to get chased through courts.
Because he's on a finite timeline to be successful, whereas
Donald Trump's timeline in terms of political power and wielding
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the the sort of the sort of federal funding, that's
got a finite timeline too, But that's because he's term limited.
He's done it January nineteen January twenty, twenty twenty nine.
Donald Trump's done. Whereas Mandani might want to have a
career that continues, I would certainly imagine he does, but
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he has to be he has to be proven successful
in what he does, and court cases stopping flowing the
funds that could all derail his promising career.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right well, I think if Montani is smart, what he
should start pivoting towards is to say that his agenda
is aspirational. In other words, he wants free buses, he
wants heavily subsidized childcare. He wants to raise taxes on
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the rich, he wants to build new housing, he wants
to freeze the rents. But if he's smart, what he'll
do is say, look, a lot of this is dependent
on the governor and to some degree the President, so
that he puts hocel governor a hocal in a position
to be the one who can be blamed if Mam
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Donnie can't get done what he wants to get done.
And is tremendous pressure on Ahkal to begin with, because
she is being challenged by a least stefanic who is
considered a strong Republican candidate for governor. Going forward, we'll
see what happens, but the general perception is that Stefanick
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is a strong candidate and that HOCl is not. Of course,
she only became governor when Andrew Cuomo was forced to resign,
and then she was able to barely when reelection against
another impressive candidate. Lee held it back three and a
half years ago. So I think Mondonni would be smart
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to say, look, I can't do this all by myself.
I need the governor and I need the President to
be supporting my agenda in one way or another. In
that way, he takes some of the heat off himself,
some that he's already feeling. I mean, the World Socialist
website was apoplectic about his meeting with Donald Trump. He
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said it was a grotesque spectacle to have mom Doni,
a DSA Democratic Socialism of America member, meeting with the
fascist Trump, and the fascist was not in quotes, So
you know, I think Trump, in addition to everything else,
managed to drive a wedge between Mamdani and his most
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extreme beliefs.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We're going to discuss what power these words have in
the current age, because my suspicion, Tim is that they're
losing whatever power they once had. And we'll be back
after this show. Bright don't go anywhere, no week.
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here radio show, mister Tim Donnog, who also happens to
be Liberty Nations senior political analyst. Now, Tim, we've been
discussing the populist leanings of both Donald Trump and Zerah Mandanao.
(19:44):
We've discussed what they kind of have in common and
where they differ, and I want to bring it back
just now to when Donald Trump sort of laughed off
a question to Zarah Mandani in the Oval office last
week and he was asked, you once called Donald Trump
a fascist? Do you stand by that? And Donald Trump
said just say yes, it's easier than explaining anything, And then,
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of course Mondani went on later to say, yes, I
do think he's a fascist. And I wonder because Donald
Trump didn't seem to care about being called a fascist.
And it kind of makes me think that if you
use something so much and with so attached so little
value to it, that you can just as we say
and toss it around willy nilly to everybody who disagrees
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with your opinion. Then it loses any power that it
may have had to shock. So, for example, in England
Oswald Moseley in the thirties he was the leader of
the British Fascist Party or Union of Fascists, and then
in so he was widely discredited and then a couple
of decades late, to be called a fascist was I mean,
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it was almost a death sentence in British politics. Somebody's
called me a fascist and they've got to try and
defend themselves against a fascist charge. But now it's kind
of normal, right, It's kind of normal to be called
a fascist, eracist and nazi by people who have differing opinions.
And so I wonder if it's ammunition that's been spent.
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And where do people who would use such language without
really giving it any thought at all, just as a
word to attack or to demeans somebody's argument, Where do
they go from here?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, I think you can start with the idea that
you know, I would lay significant money on the wager
that well over fifty percent of American people have no
idea what fascism is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, they I would bet against you on that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, they know it's not good, right, they know it.
They know it's a tremendous insult. But look, I'll go
back to the old story about the boy who cried war,
and you know he said multiple times he was warning, warning,
the wolf is here, the wolf is here, and the
wolf wasn't there. Then finally the wolf did appear, and
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when he yelled the wolf is here, nobody paid attention
because he had had too many false alarms.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
About the wolf.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And I think, you know, I think Trump realized that
the way he sort of amusingly laughed and said, go ahead,
you can say yes to the idea that I'm a fascist,
because he realizes that it's just theatrical, it's performative politics
to try and separate yourself from someone of a different
belief system. But the Democrats have gone so far overboard
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for so long with this idea of fascism, a despotism, authoritarianism.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
This is the most important election of our lifetimes. This
is not being America tive. There might not be in
Amica left.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, I think this is why most people sort of
look at it. The average person who doesn't obsess about
politics and just wants to live their lives looks at
this and goes, oh, all right, they're calling him a
fascist again. I mean, you know, rinse and repeat. They
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lose their power the more you use them, which is
why when Trump said that it was a communist, well,
that had a little more force because the word communist
really hadn't been used all that much. Bernie Sanders came
along as a self described socialist, and Republicans were happy
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to bow to that label and continue to call them
a socialist. Trump took it to another level with the
communism thing. But I don't feel like the average person
really response to that kind of extreme rhetoric anymore because
it's just been you too off and too inappropriately.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
There's a couple of things there, Tim. First, I would,
and I have mentioned this speaking with you before on
the show, that for me, when I look at you know,
people call other people Nazis, and there's something really badly
inherent in there. Right, The Nazis murdered millions and millions
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of people for their ideological cause, and you know, so
nobody would call themselves a Nazi nowadays unless they're willing
to take that far upon their heads. But the same
has never been true well in the last I guess
thirty years, the same has never been true for those
who self identify it as communists, even though there's clearly
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attributal far more. There's more, clearly, far more deaths attributable
to the Communists than there were even to the Nazis.
And I think it's either a fading of education or
or understanding that that's not a that that's not a
bigger thing. But then, of course, you know, they're trying
to switch it around and say, you know, well, capitalism
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is a deadly force that leads to poverty, and you know,
this is why people are hungry, as if people weren't
hungry before free markets came about. It's a blood libel
in many ways, you know. And I wonder, so where
will these people who use this kind of language to
just try and shut down debate. I mean, that's what
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they're doing now, right, They're just trying to shut down
their opponents by putting a label on, hoping that the
person who they put it against will react and then
forget their point.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Those kind of names, but they go those kind of
names are designed to shut down conversation rather than ignite it.
So you call someone a Nazi or a fascist, and
there's no response to that, although they know I'm not
a fascist, and the person being called that isn't a
spot because they won't dignify and so, and that's kind
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of what Trump was doing in the Oval office thing.
Go ahead, he didn't call me a passions if you want,
it doesn't bother me because he's been called every name
in the book.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, we hear often about how words have power and work.
It should be used responsibly, and I think there's a
there's a lot of blame to go around in terms
of the devaluation of language that has been Now we're
gonna be back with Tim Donner after this short break
discussing what can make New York City greater gain I
don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For your freedom and your liberty Liberty Nation with Mark.
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Edgelides Andrew Breck on Libity Nation Radio. I remain your
host Mark Ansley's and we're continue our conversation with Liberty
Nations seeing a political analyst, Tim Donner. Now, Tim, I
think the the natural endpoint for our show here is
to discuss what's really on everybody's mind, and that is
what would it take to make New York City great again?
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Now it's certainly a great city as far as I'm concerned.
Is it as great as it once was? Though now
you are You're a New Yorker by geography and presumably
by soul, tim although you are once removed. Now I guess,
is New York as great as it used to be?
And what are some of the problems that perhaps make
it not quite the shining city on the Hill that
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many thought it was?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well? I think that the thing that New York has
lacked for the longest time, with a few exceptions such
as Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg, has been subpart leadership,
going all the way back to John Lindsay in nineteen
sixty nine and forward the city servative liberal, Yes, yes,
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liberal Republican. I mean he defined a Rockefeller Republican moniker
from back in those days. Those kind don't even exist anymore.
But the lack of leadership from the bulk of the
mayors over the last fifty years has been the biggest
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problem in terms of an ongoing problem. But the biggest
problem now that has to be reversed is New York
status as a sanctuary city. Now for a long time,
there wasn't a great cost to that. It was just
virtue signaling, oh, yes, we're compassionate here and we welcome
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all comers, whether they're legal or illegal immigrants. But they
had to pay the piper for this once Governor Greg
Abbott of Texas and Ron De Santas of Florida said, Okay,
the Biden administration is letting in untold millions of illegal immigrants.
We're not going to We're not going to pay the
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price for this alone. We're going to send these illegal
immigrants up north to these self declared sanctuary cities. And
it basically said, you want to call yourself a sanctuary city,
well here you go deal with these millions of illegal
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immigrants who were allowed to come into the country. There's
no question that Eric Adams, the current mayor for a
few more weeks New York had all these immigrants dumped
on them, dumped on him and the city. And it's
taken a tremendous toll in terms of crime, in terms
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of having to divert precious resources to keeping these people
alive and fed, and yet so many of them have
gone out and committed crimes. They've overcrowded the city. I
think if you reversed the sanctuary city status that that
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would go a long way towards allowing the city to
correct its problems. Of course, there's not a chance in
the world that Zora and Mondani will renounce the sanctuary
city status, but it also means he doesn't have to
take it quite so literally. He's not going to have
the problem that Eric Adams had, which is an influx,
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an overwhelming influx of tens or hundreds of thousands of
new residents that had to be taken care of because
none of them had jobs, and he still had to
eat and live and exist and hopefully in a way
that wasn't going to cause them to go out and
commit crime because of the fact that they were impoverished, hungry,
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or whatever. So I think the sanctuary city thing is
really the biggest single method reversing that, the biggest single
method of sort of flipping the switch in New York.
But on a smaller scale, this is something that Andrew
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Cuomo and Curtis leeworthy competitors of Mom Donnie during the
during the mayoral election, they both wanted more cops five
thousand more cops in the case of Andrew Cuomo. Now,
Mom Donnie has not renounstead or said he will refuse to.
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He says he's happy with the thirty five thousand cops
that they have now. But there's no question in a
city riven by crime, where people are afraid to ride
the subway or go out at night, to have that
extra police presence would make an enormous difference to make
New York safe again.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, there's Annie's put up this proposal to have
a literal army of social workers to go and deal
with the with what's a mental health crisis called rather
than a criminal call. I've spent actually some considerable time
trying to think that through. We obviously we talk about
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a lot of things, and sometimes we don't think about
the things until in depth. But I've really spent considerable
time trying to play this out for different angles to
see how this would work. And the idea that you
can send a social worker to something that a dispatcher
would have to determine is this somebody having a mental
health crisis and is it likely to turn violent? A
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dispatcher somebody who sits there and just fields the calls out,
They'll have to choose does it go this way? Does
it go that way. They'll be determining what kind of
response ends up. And I would imagine that a significant
proportion of the crime violent crimes that take place in
New York City are mental health driven anyway, but they
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don't require an actual police response. I mean, so, you know,
how are you going to convince the guy who's trying
to set fire to somebody on the subway? Hey, you
know what, maybe we sit down, we have a coffee,
we talk about it, you know, while he's lighting somebody
on fire. I mean, I think I.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Think that the theory behind Mamdanie's plan makes sense. In theory,
which is, if we can send social workers in to
handle disputes that don't really treading to turn violent, it
will free up the cops to engage with serious crime.
(33:42):
But the problem is that domestic violence. I talked to
a couple of cops about this, and what they say
is that domestic violence domestic disputes are the hardest to
negotiate because tensions are so high. If a husband's beating
his wife or vice versa, a social worker isn't going
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to be able to go in and convince the husband
to suddenly turn his life around and stop beating his wife.
I mean, you go and you say, when did you
stop beating your wife? Okay, So the theory is not
a bad one, which is that if you can channel
real law enforcement to a crime that's considered serious, then
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you can use social workers for those crimes which aren't,
or those disputes which aren't. But you put your finger
on it, it's almost impossible to know simply from a
nine to one one call whether a dispute is something
that could be handled by a social worker or a cop.
(34:54):
And in most cases, I'm assured a social worker is
not equ to handle any kind of domestic dispute because
they don't want reason, they don't want rationality, they're hot
under the collar, and they need active intervention by a
(35:16):
trained policeman. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I think the outcome of this will be hurt social
workers or even worse, which brings us to one other
policy that I've given quite some thought to, and that's
Zeramon Damie's plan for the bus services in New York
City to be free. Now, you can see why that
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would be a good thing for many low income people
who are trying to either trying to go to work
and back home or looking for work where they've got
a crisscross the city. It's saving them and it might
not be much, but you know, it adds up day
after day, especially for low income Americans. So you can
kind of say, well, that would actually be a good
(36:02):
helping hand. But the reality of the situation, I mean,
who has to deal with the drug addicts who think, well,
here's a nice safe place for me to get high
and sleep and perhaps even live. You know, I can
live on the bus for most of the day and
even the night the night bus services and things, because
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they don't have to pay for a ticket. Now is
it bus drivers who are going to have to clear
them out? And under what right will they clear them
out when the city, you know, the city pays for
bus travel, traveling by the virtue being on there.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I think you're going to inevitably see the same thing
happen to buses as it's already happening on the subways,
which are not free. But if they're free, that says
anybody can get on at any time and at least
theoretically can stay on for as long as they want
(36:57):
because it becomes a public right, and when you turn
it from a commodity into a right, it's going to
be a very slippery slope. To try and deny people
the length of time they want to stay on a bus.
It's going to make them more unsafe because you're going
to get people who are mentally ill and or homeless,
(37:21):
and the crossover the are is very high. Who are
you know, basically inhabited buses, And that's going to drive
people away from that kind of public transit and therefore
make the whole free bus service counter productive. It will
actually drive people away from buses rather than towards them
(37:45):
because they won't be safe.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, that's pretty much the end result that I can't
seem to escape that, no matter which way I try
and think around the issue, is you end up with
people who would rather be either on the street doing
their drugs and sleeping and just enjoying whatever life they
have there, or would they like to be, especially in winters,
(38:08):
would they like to be in a nice, warm bus
move from place to place with nobody there to usher
them along, no major street violence taking place just aimed
at them, because you know they are the homeless people
and the drug addicts that they are victims of a
lot of street violence. I mean they're also the perpetrates
and a lot of street violence, but they're also the
victims of it. And if they can just hang out
(38:30):
on a bus, well, great for them, not so great
for everybody else.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Right, Well, you just ask yourself a question. Suppose you
were addicted to drugs and homeless and it's winter. Yeah,
where would you want to be on the street?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Sign me up? So around Mandani.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean, I think anybody would make that choice. And
that's well, that's the problem with the motivation behind these
free buses is that they may be well intended, but
you know, unintended consequences of policies like that could be
disastrous for New York and make it even more unsafe
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than it is now.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's a fine line and it's a tough one to
walk from making New York City great again. Tim Donner,
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back with this.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Tim, always a pleasure. Now it's a pleasure Mark. Let's
have fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We'll try. We couldn't escape dragging you back in for
this week. Though. After the some would call it momentus,
some would call it a great meeting. Some would say, sir,
there's never been such a good meeting in the Oval
Office between New York mayrill elect Zora and Mandani and
the President of the United States, mister Donald J. Trump,
(01:44):
And they had what I think was well, give me
your thoughts on it, Tim, You've written extensively on this
as well on the page of libutinnation dot com. But
give me your thoughts on how you think that meeting
went in the public vision.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, Mark.
I'll tell you what it was like, being in an
alternate reality, like you were viewing some surreal experience. It
was hard to even fathom because, of course, you know,
as I wrote in libertynation dot com, on the day
(02:24):
of the meeting, in anticipation of it, grabbed the popcorn
because it was going to be quite a spectacle, But
there wasn't. And I think the media was very disappointed too,
And I think everybody on both sides of the was
sort of in a state of shop that these two
men could find the kind of common ground that they
(02:46):
evidently were able to discover. And what I wrote on
after the weekend on libertynation dot com sort of looking
back at that, is that what they do share is
a populist worldview that you respond to the particular concerns
(03:08):
of the population at any particular time, and so on
that basis, it made some sense. It also made sense
that Mamdani knows that he's got to rely on Trump
to keep this bigot open for federal funding upon which
Mamdani will be very dependent. And Trump really does love
(03:32):
New York City. There's no question that's the place that
launched him to global stardom and to become the most
powerful man in the world, despite the protestations of his
own hometown. To be sure, but I think they do
share a common desire to make New York City work.
(03:54):
And with that shared desire some of the differences can
be deconstructed. Obviously they come from dramatically different polar opos
a world views. However, it shows that in politics, unlike
we've seen over about most of the last dozen years
(04:15):
or so, there can be some crossing up the aisle
to get things done. And I think Trump sort of
became an exemplar of that. So did Mom Donnie, and
I think they were both drawn to each other's immense char.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You know, I was actually not surprised that it went
so well. I really wasn't. I know, in hindsight, everybody
can say, oh, of course this is happening, but you know,
I have a track record of calling these things. But
I wasn't that surprised because there are there's a media
(04:53):
image of Donald Trump, and then there's the real Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump has been wildly success full of his
whole life. He's up until he became the Republican nominee
for president back in twenty fifteen, he was widely loved
by just about everybody. And you don't do that with it,
but at least you don't get to that position without
(05:14):
at least being moderately charming and being able to speak
to people who do not necessarily share your point of view.
I mean, that's how else do you build a business empire? Right?
And so I figured he would he would, you know,
be the gracious host as it were, because he's got
the opportunity to present now whether Zoora and Mandani wants
(05:35):
this or not, and I'm almost certainly he doesn't. Trump
sort of presented as I'm a mentor of Zora and
Mandani even though they're on opposite sides, because you know,
he's doing the backpacking and we'll talk about this later.
But when one of the reporters asked, Zora Mandani, you
call Donald Trump a fascist? Do you stand by that?
(05:57):
And Donald Trump turround said you can just say yes,
it's easy. You know. It was showing two things. One
that Donald Trump loves a winner. He likes hanging out
with winners, and Zorah Hamdowni is a winner, no doubt
about it. And the other thing is there's been this
constant narrative for the last ten years that Donald Trump
(06:18):
is thin skinned. Now he's reactive. I've always agreed that
he's reactive, but I've never felt he was thin skin
because you can't survive so long in politics and then
reached the affige if you think eight years down the
line of nine years down the line of your political
career and be thin skin because you make too many
enemies along the way. And yet he's rallied the party
(06:40):
back around him. And you know, you've had Gretchen Whitmer
walk through the doors. There, You've had Bill Maher, who
has made a career in the last decade of I
mean he already had a career of course, but of
being notably anti Trump. Went for dinner with Donald Trump
and apparently had a very nice time, and they got
along quite nicely, and so I wasn't all that surprised.
(07:02):
But how much of what we are presented from the
media and from congressional Democrats, how much that's just a
facade of what the real Donald Trump is.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, I think when Donald Trump said to Zorinman done,
he just answered, yes, it's fine, and he gave the
kind of knowing smile that said, look, this is just politics.
I understand it. I may not really think you're e comy,
you may not really think I'm a fascist. Just go
ahead and say, yes, give them what they want, because
(07:35):
it's all just a show. But let's not forget that
when unold Trump was rising to start him in New York,
when he was rebuilding the New York Skyline, he had
to deal with a city that was ninety five percent Democratic.
So he learned a long time ago that you have
(07:57):
to know how to deal with the adversaries, are those
who believe things different than you do. And of course
it led many conservatives to be very skeptical of it
because he had proclaimed to be pro choice. For example,
he had said nice things about Clinton, Bill Clinton and
invited Hillary Clinton tho his wedding and all this stuff.
(08:21):
So he's used to crossing to the other side of
a divide, so to speak. And I think he just
called on that again. And I think he quite enjoyed
confounding the media and his own party and the Democratic Party.
I think the reaction from the left was very similar
(08:41):
to the right. It was kind of like here was
a favorite uncle sitting there at at the resolute desk
with his favorite nephew, Zoran, dutifully standing by his side
and patting him from time to time and say you're
(09:02):
doing well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yet you know, yes, there was very much a lot
of that. Now. You mentioned earlier about the populis bent
that both men have, and we're going to discuss that
after this short break. Don't go anywhere.
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For your freedom and your liberty. Liberty Nation with Mark Edge.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Ladies Andrew back on Liberty Nation Radio Head Coast Coast
on the Radio America Network. I remain Mark Angelidies. We're
continuing our conversation with Tim Donn and now earlier in
the show, Tom, we were discussing the meeting between zeron
Man Damian President Trump in the Oval Office, and you
touched on something that I really wanted to dig into,
so let's not let that go. But both of these men,
(09:46):
they have a very populist bent about them, don't they,
And it's coming from from different sides for what they
perceive the populace to actually be wanting and the remedies
maybe the maybe I've got that wrong. Have I got
that wrong to maybe they both want the same thing,
they just have different ways of achieving.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, well that used to be how politics was before
Donald Trump. Is it to two sides disagreed on the
way to get where they both wanted to go, But
they didn't call each other fascists or communists. They didn't
you try to really undermine a presidency with false investigations
(10:30):
and charges, which of course happened constantly through Donald Trump's
first term. You know, it is possible for people to
agree on some things if they're assessing the prop Yes,
if they're assessing the problem, they can agree. And that
brings to mind a great story that my wife, Lisa,
(10:51):
the executive editor of Libertynation dot com. She and I
would sit at a public gathering or at airport during
the twenty sixteen presidential campaign, and when somebody rebellious it
looked like they were rebel walked by. Someone would say
long hair and unconventional dress, would pass by. We'd look
(11:17):
at each other and go, what do you think Trump
was Bernie? And the point was that you had rebels
on both sides of the political aisle that were tired
of the respective establishments of the Republican and Democratic parties.
And thus, when Bernie Sanders was basically pushed out of
(11:38):
the primary in twenty sixteen, many of his voters crossed
over and then voted for Trump because they both identified
the same problems. And likewise, it's reported, and I think
reliably so, that at least ten percent of the people
who voted for Trump in New York City in twenty
(11:59):
twenty four, or polled believer for Mom Donnie in twenty
twenty five. And that's nature popularism is that it's not
a fixed ideological belief system. It's really an accommodation to
the stated and most besperate needs of the population, so
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that you become a lot more flexible that if you're
a doctrinaire conservative or liberal.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's very much an element of pragmatism around populism. I
think that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Sometimes they call it a transactional view of politics, like
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And I wonder about that transactional view under Zorah Mandonie
in Mandonni in New York because, as you pointed out earlier,
the mayor elect, he does need the federal spigot, especially
as even though New York State Governor Kathy Hokel has
(13:04):
vastly endorsed him, she has been quite clear that all
of his plans, you know, that they're going to have
to be either scaled back or ditched entirely, or put
on a back burn until a later date, because what
he's suggesting costs a lot of money. The many things
he's suggesting all costs a lot of money and other
(13:26):
than just raising taxes in there by scaring off your
tax base. I mean, anybody who thinks the laugh of
curve doesn't work in this day and age, they've got it.
They need to examine something, either head or an economics book.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh they still want to call it trickle down economics, sure,
which is a pejorative of course. But the lap for
a curve is you know, to me almost indisputably correct
in terms of where government revenues cross with you know,
(14:02):
debt versus growth.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, you got to get the sweet spot, right. I
mean that is actually making I follow a lot of
the conservative right YouTubers and Twitter exers, I don't know
what you call that, posting their exhibits maybe, and the
laughter curve is getting a it's getting a resurgence among
(14:28):
the people much younger than me. So people who maybe
weren't even alive in the nineteen eighty four when he
came out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Earlier that probably eighty one eighty.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, people who weren't even alive then, and they're talking
about it. They've got to understand the laugh for curve,
and I love seeing its resurgence. I've completely forgotten what
my point was here, Tim, But.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, but you made another really alternative.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And sure, yeah, so there's this this issue that sorry,
that was it that zero. Mandani needs the federal needs
federal funds to keep things going while he continues to
push for the the revolutionary ideas. I'm not saying that's
a good or a bad thing in terms of revolutionary,
but the revolutionary ideas he has for New York City.
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He needs that money to continue, and he needs not
to be in contention where the money might get held
up in at the women of the President or buy
an executive order that then has to get chased through courts.
Because he's on a finite timeline to be successful, whereas
Donald Trump's timeline in terms of political power and wielding
(15:41):
the the sort of the sort of federal funding, that's
got a finite timeline too, But that's because he's term limited.
He's done it January nineteen January twenty, twenty twenty nine.
Donald Trump's done. Whereas Mandani might want to have a
career that continues, I would certainly imagine he does, but
(16:03):
he has to be he has to be proven successful
in what he does, and court cases stopping flowing the
funds that could all derail his promising career.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right well, I think if Montani is smart, what he
should start pivoting towards is to say that his agenda
is aspirational. In other words, he wants free buses, he
wants heavily subsidized childcare. He wants to raise taxes on
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the rich, he wants to build new housing, he wants
to freeze the rents. But if he's smart, what he'll
do is say, look, a lot of this is dependent
on the governor and to some degree the President, so
that he puts hocel governor a hocal in a position
to be the one who can be blamed if Mam
(17:03):
Donnie can't get done what he wants to get done.
And is tremendous pressure on Ahkal to begin with, because
she is being challenged by a least stefanic who is
considered a strong Republican candidate for governor. Going forward, we'll
see what happens, but the general perception is that Stefanick
(17:25):
is a strong candidate and that HOCl is not. Of course,
she only became governor when Andrew Cuomo was forced to resign,
and then she was able to barely when reelection against
another impressive candidate. Lee held it back three and a
half years ago. So I think Mondonni would be smart
(17:49):
to say, look, I can't do this all by myself.
I need the governor and I need the President to
be supporting my agenda in one way or another. In
that way, he takes some of the heat off himself,
some that he's already feeling. I mean, the World Socialist
website was apoplectic about his meeting with Donald Trump. He
(18:12):
said it was a grotesque spectacle to have mom Doni,
a DSA Democratic Socialism of America member, meeting with the
fascist Trump, and the fascist was not in quotes, So
you know, I think Trump, in addition to everything else,
managed to drive a wedge between Mamdani and his most
(18:37):
extreme beliefs.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We're going to discuss what power these words have in
the current age, because my suspicion, Tim is that they're
losing whatever power they once had. And we'll be back
after this show. Bright don't go anywhere, no week.
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Speaker 2 (19:23):
And you're back on Liberty Nation Radio, Ghast Coast on
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continue our long form conversation with longtime host of This
here radio show, mister Tim Donnog, who also happens to
be Liberty Nations senior political analyst. Now, Tim, we've been
discussing the populist leanings of both Donald Trump and Zerah Mandanao.
(19:44):
We've discussed what they kind of have in common and
where they differ, and I want to bring it back
just now to when Donald Trump sort of laughed off
a question to Zarah Mandani in the Oval office last
week and he was asked, you once called Donald Trump
a fascist? Do you stand by that? And Donald Trump
said just say yes, it's easier than explaining anything, And then,
(20:07):
of course Mondani went on later to say, yes, I
do think he's a fascist. And I wonder because Donald
Trump didn't seem to care about being called a fascist.
And it kind of makes me think that if you
use something so much and with so attached so little
value to it, that you can just as we say
and toss it around willy nilly to everybody who disagrees
(20:31):
with your opinion. Then it loses any power that it
may have had to shock. So, for example, in England
Oswald Moseley in the thirties he was the leader of
the British Fascist Party or Union of Fascists, and then
in so he was widely discredited and then a couple
of decades late, to be called a fascist was I mean,
(20:53):
it was almost a death sentence in British politics. Somebody's
called me a fascist and they've got to try and
defend themselves against a fascist charge. But now it's kind
of normal, right, It's kind of normal to be called
a fascist, eracist and nazi by people who have differing opinions.
And so I wonder if it's ammunition that's been spent.
(21:17):
And where do people who would use such language without
really giving it any thought at all, just as a
word to attack or to demeans somebody's argument, Where do
they go from here?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, I think you can start with the idea that
you know, I would lay significant money on the wager
that well over fifty percent of American people have no
idea what fascism is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, they I would bet against you on that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, they know it's not good, right, they know it.
They know it's a tremendous insult. But look, I'll go
back to the old story about the boy who cried war,
and you know he said multiple times he was warning, warning,
the wolf is here, the wolf is here, and the
wolf wasn't there. Then finally the wolf did appear, and
(22:10):
when he yelled the wolf is here, nobody paid attention
because he had had too many false alarms.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
About the wolf.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And I think, you know, I think Trump realized that
the way he sort of amusingly laughed and said, go ahead,
you can say yes to the idea that I'm a fascist,
because he realizes that it's just theatrical, it's performative politics
to try and separate yourself from someone of a different
belief system. But the Democrats have gone so far overboard
(22:45):
for so long with this idea of fascism, a despotism, authoritarianism.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
This is the most important election of our lifetimes. This
is not being America tive. There might not be in
Amica left.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, I think this is why most people sort of
look at it. The average person who doesn't obsess about
politics and just wants to live their lives looks at
this and goes, oh, all right, they're calling him a
fascist again. I mean, you know, rinse and repeat. They
(23:21):
lose their power the more you use them, which is
why when Trump said that it was a communist, well,
that had a little more force because the word communist
really hadn't been used all that much. Bernie Sanders came
along as a self described socialist, and Republicans were happy
(23:42):
to bow to that label and continue to call them
a socialist. Trump took it to another level with the
communism thing. But I don't feel like the average person
really response to that kind of extreme rhetoric anymore because
it's just been you too off and too inappropriately.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
There's a couple of things there, Tim. First, I would,
and I have mentioned this speaking with you before on
the show, that for me, when I look at you know,
people call other people Nazis, and there's something really badly
inherent in there. Right, The Nazis murdered millions and millions
(24:26):
of people for their ideological cause, and you know, so
nobody would call themselves a Nazi nowadays unless they're willing
to take that far upon their heads. But the same
has never been true well in the last I guess
thirty years, the same has never been true for those
who self identify it as communists, even though there's clearly
(24:48):
attributal far more. There's more, clearly, far more deaths attributable
to the Communists than there were even to the Nazis.
And I think it's either a fading of education or
or understanding that that's not a that that's not a
bigger thing. But then, of course, you know, they're trying
to switch it around and say, you know, well, capitalism
(25:11):
is a deadly force that leads to poverty, and you know,
this is why people are hungry, as if people weren't
hungry before free markets came about. It's a blood libel
in many ways, you know. And I wonder, so where
will these people who use this kind of language to
just try and shut down debate. I mean, that's what
(25:32):
they're doing now, right, They're just trying to shut down
their opponents by putting a label on, hoping that the
person who they put it against will react and then
forget their point.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Those kind of names, but they go those kind of
names are designed to shut down conversation rather than ignite it.
So you call someone a Nazi or a fascist, and
there's no response to that, although they know I'm not
a fascist, and the person being called that isn't a
spot because they won't dignify and so, and that's kind
(26:04):
of what Trump was doing in the Oval office thing.
Go ahead, he didn't call me a passions if you want,
it doesn't bother me because he's been called every name
in the book.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, we hear often about how words have power and work.
It should be used responsibly, and I think there's a
there's a lot of blame to go around in terms
of the devaluation of language that has been Now we're
gonna be back with Tim Donner after this short break
discussing what can make New York City greater gain I
don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For your freedom and your liberty Liberty Nation with Mark.
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Edgelides Andrew Breck on Libity Nation Radio. I remain your
host Mark Ansley's and we're continue our conversation with Liberty
Nations seeing a political analyst, Tim Donner. Now, Tim, I
think the the natural endpoint for our show here is
to discuss what's really on everybody's mind, and that is
what would it take to make New York City great again?
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Now it's certainly a great city as far as I'm concerned.
Is it as great as it once was? Though now
you are You're a New Yorker by geography and presumably
by soul, tim although you are once removed. Now I guess,
is New York as great as it used to be?
And what are some of the problems that perhaps make
it not quite the shining city on the Hill that
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many thought it was?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well? I think that the thing that New York has
lacked for the longest time, with a few exceptions such
as Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg, has been subpart leadership,
going all the way back to John Lindsay in nineteen
sixty nine and forward the city servative liberal, Yes, yes,
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liberal Republican. I mean he defined a Rockefeller Republican moniker
from back in those days. Those kind don't even exist anymore.
But the lack of leadership from the bulk of the
mayors over the last fifty years has been the biggest
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problem in terms of an ongoing problem. But the biggest
problem now that has to be reversed is New York
status as a sanctuary city. Now for a long time,
there wasn't a great cost to that. It was just
virtue signaling, oh, yes, we're compassionate here and we welcome
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all comers, whether they're legal or illegal immigrants. But they
had to pay the piper for this once Governor Greg
Abbott of Texas and Ron De Santas of Florida said, Okay,
the Biden administration is letting in untold millions of illegal immigrants.
We're not going to We're not going to pay the
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price for this alone. We're going to send these illegal
immigrants up north to these self declared sanctuary cities. And
it basically said, you want to call yourself a sanctuary city,
well here you go deal with these millions of illegal
(29:17):
immigrants who were allowed to come into the country. There's
no question that Eric Adams, the current mayor for a
few more weeks New York had all these immigrants dumped
on them, dumped on him and the city. And it's
taken a tremendous toll in terms of crime, in terms
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of having to divert precious resources to keeping these people
alive and fed, and yet so many of them have
gone out and committed crimes. They've overcrowded the city. I
think if you reversed the sanctuary city status that that
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would go a long way towards allowing the city to
correct its problems. Of course, there's not a chance in
the world that Zora and Mondani will renounce the sanctuary
city status, but it also means he doesn't have to
take it quite so literally. He's not going to have
the problem that Eric Adams had, which is an influx,
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an overwhelming influx of tens or hundreds of thousands of
new residents that had to be taken care of because
none of them had jobs, and he still had to
eat and live and exist and hopefully in a way
that wasn't going to cause them to go out and
commit crime because of the fact that they were impoverished, hungry,
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or whatever. So I think the sanctuary city thing is
really the biggest single method reversing that, the biggest single
method of sort of flipping the switch in New York.
But on a smaller scale, this is something that Andrew
(31:06):
Cuomo and Curtis leeworthy competitors of Mom Donnie during the
during the mayoral election, they both wanted more cops five
thousand more cops in the case of Andrew Cuomo. Now,
Mom Donnie has not renounstead or said he will refuse to.
(31:31):
He says he's happy with the thirty five thousand cops
that they have now. But there's no question in a
city riven by crime, where people are afraid to ride
the subway or go out at night, to have that
extra police presence would make an enormous difference to make
New York safe again.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, there's Annie's put up this proposal to have
a literal army of social workers to go and deal
with the with what's a mental health crisis called rather
than a criminal call. I've spent actually some considerable time
trying to think that through. We obviously we talk about
(32:13):
a lot of things, and sometimes we don't think about
the things until in depth. But I've really spent considerable
time trying to play this out for different angles to
see how this would work. And the idea that you
can send a social worker to something that a dispatcher
would have to determine is this somebody having a mental
health crisis and is it likely to turn violent? A
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dispatcher somebody who sits there and just fields the calls out,
They'll have to choose does it go this way? Does
it go that way. They'll be determining what kind of
response ends up. And I would imagine that a significant
proportion of the crime violent crimes that take place in
New York City are mental health driven anyway, but they
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don't require an actual police response. I mean, so, you know,
how are you going to convince the guy who's trying
to set fire to somebody on the subway? Hey, you
know what, maybe we sit down, we have a coffee,
we talk about it, you know, while he's lighting somebody
on fire. I mean, I think I.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Think that the theory behind Mamdanie's plan makes sense. In theory,
which is, if we can send social workers in to
handle disputes that don't really treading to turn violent, it
will free up the cops to engage with serious crime.
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But the problem is that domestic violence. I talked to
a couple of cops about this, and what they say
is that domestic violence domestic disputes are the hardest to
negotiate because tensions are so high. If a husband's beating
his wife or vice versa, a social worker isn't going
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to be able to go in and convince the husband
to suddenly turn his life around and stop beating his wife.
I mean, you go and you say, when did you
stop beating your wife? Okay, So the theory is not
a bad one, which is that if you can channel
real law enforcement to a crime that's considered serious, then
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you can use social workers for those crimes which aren't,
or those disputes which aren't. But you put your finger
on it, it's almost impossible to know simply from a
nine to one one call whether a dispute is something
that could be handled by a social worker or a cop.
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And in most cases, I'm assured a social worker is
not equ to handle any kind of domestic dispute because
they don't want reason, they don't want rationality, they're hot
under the collar, and they need active intervention by a
(35:16):
trained policeman. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I think the outcome of this will be hurt social
workers or even worse, which brings us to one other
policy that I've given quite some thought to, and that's
Zeramon Damie's plan for the bus services in New York
City to be free. Now, you can see why that
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would be a good thing for many low income people
who are trying to either trying to go to work
and back home or looking for work where they've got
a crisscross the city. It's saving them and it might
not be much, but you know, it adds up day
after day, especially for low income Americans. So you can
kind of say, well, that would actually be a good
(36:02):
helping hand. But the reality of the situation, I mean,
who has to deal with the drug addicts who think, well,
here's a nice safe place for me to get high
and sleep and perhaps even live. You know, I can
live on the bus for most of the day and
even the night the night bus services and things, because
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they don't have to pay for a ticket. Now is
it bus drivers who are going to have to clear
them out? And under what right will they clear them
out when the city, you know, the city pays for
bus travel, traveling by the virtue being on there.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I think you're going to inevitably see the same thing
happen to buses as it's already happening on the subways,
which are not free. But if they're free, that says
anybody can get on at any time and at least
theoretically can stay on for as long as they want
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because it becomes a public right, and when you turn
it from a commodity into a right, it's going to
be a very slippery slope. To try and deny people
the length of time they want to stay on a bus.
It's going to make them more unsafe because you're going
to get people who are mentally ill and or homeless,
(37:21):
and the crossover the are is very high. Who are
you know, basically inhabited buses, And that's going to drive
people away from that kind of public transit and therefore
make the whole free bus service counter productive. It will
actually drive people away from buses rather than towards them
(37:45):
because they won't be safe.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, that's pretty much the end result that I can't
seem to escape that, no matter which way I try
and think around the issue, is you end up with
people who would rather be either on the street doing
their drugs and sleeping and just enjoying whatever life they
have there, or would they like to be, especially in winters,
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would they like to be in a nice, warm bus
move from place to place with nobody there to usher
them along, no major street violence taking place just aimed
at them, because you know they are the homeless people
and the drug addicts that they are victims of a
lot of street violence. I mean they're also the perpetrates
and a lot of street violence, but they're also the
victims of it. And if they can just hang out
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on a bus, well, great for them, not so great
for everybody else.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Right, Well, you just ask yourself a question. Suppose you
were addicted to drugs and homeless and it's winter. Yeah,
where would you want to be on the street?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Sign me up? So around Mandani.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean, I think anybody would make that choice. And
that's well, that's the problem with the motivation behind these
free buses is that they may be well intended, but
you know, unintended consequences of policies like that could be
disastrous for New York and make it even more unsafe
(39:08):
than it is now.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's a fine line and it's a tough one to
walk from making New York City great again. Tim Donner,
thanks ever so much for being with us on the
show today. Thank you more, and that's all we have
time from this week's edition of Liberty Nation radio head
Coast to Coast on the Radio American Network. I was
being your host, Mark Antley. I would like to thank
our guest today mister Tim Donnd, longtime host of this
here radio show, and of course you the listeners who
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take the time each week to tune in and hear
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