Be Cautious

On this Money Monday Edition, Fernando Fills in and talks about the markets, what you need to know about your stocks, where your money is going, gun reforms, immigration policies, and hiding border footage. Today's guests: Dr. John Lott, Dr. Dean Fanelli, and, Joe Pinion.

Episode Transcript

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Hi, everyone, Welcome back toa Money Monday edition here on Liquid Lunch.
Again, you are in the rightplace. I'm New Jersey's premier journalists
for Nandy Ribey Flynn and for thegreat John Tobacco, who is on the
campaign trail today. As we allknow, he's been gathering signatures by the
thousands here as he seeks to becomeNew York City's Controller well obviously to win

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the Republican nomination and ultimately win thecontroller seat later on this November. I
got a good feeling in John's gonnaget this done. If you've been watching
him on social media, folks,John has been just an absolute delight,
and he's been going all over theyou know, the Trick State area,
and he has just been able toreally galvanize people and get them interested in

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normally what listen. Not to sortof water down what the controller's position.
It's a very important position in citygovernment here in New York, but to
say that at least John is reallygetting people galvanized. He's mobilizing people,
not just with signatures, folks.That's one thing. One thing is against
signatures, and one things to havea social media present. But you can
tell the energy around John when hegoes to gatherings, when he's having press

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conferences, when he is addressing thepublic, notwith saying the fact he's just
an exceptional addresser, so his suitsare always on ploying. But there's the
thing about John, He's really gettingpeople interested in this race. Where Folks,
we all know what a disaster NewYork City has been for the last
few years under you know, buildthe Blasio and of course is do nothing

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life. But more importantly, nowwe're starting to see candidates surfacing for not
just controller, we're also seeing someinteresting names being flowed around for mayor.
And folks, listen, you know, I'm old enough to remember what New
York City looked like in the earlyto make nineties. Okay, and right

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now the bike appolis resemble those DavidDinkins days. An offensive. David Dinkins
got rest his soul, but thecity was a dumb and say what you
want. After all these years ofwhat we know about Rudy Giuliani, Rudy
cleaned up New York. We needa conservative, We need a Republican to
step into the governor's mention right nowand clean up New York City. It's

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a ghost town. It has justbeen disastrous under democratic rule everyone, Let's
be honest. I mean, Democratshave run New York City permanently, the
city Council for as long as Ican remember. And the reason why New
York City and other major cities aroundthe country continue to be disasters both economically
and socially and politically is because youhave to these sort of like life for

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Democrats in there, and it's reallydisappointing. So as far as I'm concerned,
you know, I'm one of thesetypes that I am excited about strong
fiscally conservative Republicans running for city office, whether again it's John Tobacco for a
controller or any viable Republicans mayor.But folks against focusing on the controller race.

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You know, I can't say howenough, how proud Ama John in
what he's doing right now the campaigntrails. So, folks, we got
some great guests lined up here todayon a money Monday, and I think
we do have them on right now. Okay, great folks, and join
us now here live on a moneyMonday. Is fellow PhD Dean. I'm

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sorry, doctor John Locke, excuseme. And he is the president at
the Crime Prevention Research Center, andfolks, you definitely want to check out
all the amazing information to be alablewith them. But again, doctor Lot
joins this yere on a Monday.Monday, Doctor A Lot, how are
you, sir doing great? Thanksfor having me on. Appreciate that,

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Doctor A. Lott. Obviously Ican see the posters in the background.
We know that gun reform, guncontrol, gun ownership is under the microscope
again. And we know obviously inthe last couple of weeks we've had two
mass shootings, two very different massshootings in terms of the perpetrated themselves,

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sort of the target audience that theywere seeking. It just seems that,
you know, whether it's nra bilificationor gun laws are already on the books,
It seems that gun reform and guncontrol are popular topics. How do
you see this playing out, DoctorLot? You know, everybody wants to

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do something. Everybody wants to tryto keep dangerous, prohibited people from obtaining
guns. The problem is is thetypes of rules to keep on being pushed,
often within an hour or two ofthe attack, before they even know
any of the effects about the individualattack. Wouldn't have stopped those attacks.
You know, the big thing that'sbeing pushed right now are these background checks,

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either the so called closing the Charlestonloophole or these universal background checks,
background checks on the private transfers ofguns. There's not one mass public shooting
this century that would have been stoppedif either of those rules have been in
effect my own belief. Unfortunately,I've come to think that they really just

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want to make it costly for lawabiding citizens to be able to get guns.
So take something like the Charleston loopholecase. The claim is is that
Dylan Roof, who shot the Blackchurch in Charleston, South Carolina in twenty
fifteen, if they'd only had moretimes so they want to allow up to
thirty days to go and check somebody'sbackground, they would have figured out that

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he was a prohibited person. That'ssimply not true. You're prohibited from buying
a gun if you're a felon orcertain misdemeanors, or if you've been arrested
for crime, a state crime inthis case, where you would be serving
a prison term of two years ormore. He was arrested for a misdemeanor

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drug possession, and the maximum prisonterm you would have faced would have been
six months, so they could havechecked his record for thirty years and they
still wouldn't have been able to stop. If they want to change the rules
so that any arrests for any misdemeanorwould bar you from being able to go
and purchase a gun until you're adjudicated, Cline, make that claim and push

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that if they want to have thirtyday waiting periods for people to go and
buy guns, CIB make that claim, make it explicit that that's the point
of the law that they want topush and argue for it. But instead
what they want to do is tagit to a heinous crime and that they
wouldn't have stopped even if their rulehad been in effect. But they want

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to use that to go and pushother types of laws that I guess they
don't think they can get enacted otherwise. And you know, if you look
at these things, if they reallywant to get background checks, there's a
few simple changes that they could makethat would make them reason, but they
refuse to make. And I'm happyto talk about them if you want me

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to. Absolutely And again, doctorLott, and for our audience, here
suting here on a Monday, Mondayon linquoid lunch. You can check out
all the wornical resources available by theCrime Prevention Research Center at their website www
dot Crime research dot org. DoctorLott, you know, Um, I
have a fity for criminal justice.I worked for criminal I worked in the

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criminal justice system for ten years beforeentering academia, you know, obviously getting
graduate degrees in criminal justice. I'vealways had a passion for it. I've
always been interested in looking at trendsand looking at the way that our system
has evolved and how it still continuesto evolve right now in our you know,
right now in our political and socialclimate. Let me ask you this
because you know, we have aboutthree minutes left on the show. Um,

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you mentioned the Colorado incident, andagain I don't want to make this
overly political, but it seems thatevery major gun control slash gun reform law
that needs to be put into afact right that many on the left and
progressives are all these you know,harping on seemed to be an effective state
of Colorado, and yet that stilldidn't stop this man from purchasing a weapon,

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despite the fact that he was onthe FBI watched last date. If
I'm not mistaken him, and evenwith all of those dynamics there, he
still was able to purchase a firearmand obviously carry out this heinous act.
It just seems that, you know, there's always this campaign about gun control,
gun control, but guess what,even in the cities or states where

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they're the laws are stricted than others, guess what, These acts are still
taking place doctor a lot. It'sreally really discerning. Look, I wish
there was some magic bullet for someof the things that they're pushing that would
work. There aren't things that canbe done, but they refused to do
it. I mean, the bigthing you look at is ninety four percent
of these mass public shootings occur inplaces where people were banned from having guns.

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These attackers may be crazy in somesense, but they're not stupid.
Their goal is to commit suicide usually, but do so in a way that's
going to get them publicity. Andthey know the more people they kill or
wound, the more publicity that they'regoing to be able to get. So
they go to a place where victimsaren't going to be able to go and
defend themselves. I mean, ifyou have one police officer in uniform,

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there they have an incredibly difficult jobbecause the killers know if they go to
a place where civilians are banned fromheavy a gun, who are they going
to go and kill first? It'sgoing to be that officer, because they
know once they kill that officer,they're going to have free rein to go
after the other people they're there.You'd actually make the job, but the
officer safer if you allowed the civiliansto carry in those places, because the

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killers would know that when they goafter the officer, they reveal their position
and they have to worry that somebodybehind them or to the side might be
able to go and stop them atsome point. When these attacks keep on
occurring time after time in these places, the successful attacks, people would believe
that it's just not random. Atour recent at our website at crime research

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dot org, we have literally dozensof unsuccessful attacks where the killers went to
places where victims were allowed to defendthemselves and they were stopped. The thing
is those cases just don't get nationalnews coverage. My guess is the entire
debate would be dramatically different if oncein a while the media would mention in

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their news coverage that we've had yetanother attack in places where guns are banned,
and once in a while give nationalnews coverage to the cases where people
with permanent concealed handguns have stopped theattacks. Doctor doctor Lott, I have
to cut you off there on Myapologies to you. You're a wealth of
information, Doctor Lott. Again,everyone, please check out the Crime Prevention

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Research Center again at Crime research dotorg. I didn't google you before the
show, Doctor Lott. Shout outto the UCLA Bruins. Moving on the
Sweet six in the March. Yes, I'm on, Okay, great,

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okay, Hi everybody, welcome backto a Money Monday edition here on Liquid
Lunch. You are in the rightplace. Fernando Ribe Flendon for the great
John Tobacco. We have a jampack show here, some great guests.
We're going live until two pm here, I'm this TV also streaming on Facebook
Live. And ladies and gentlemen,you know, here's some news of today
to definitely get your week started.And something that really doesn't surprise me,

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folks, because we started coming sincehe took office in January twenty but officials
from the Binding Administration tried to muzzleover eighteen Republican US senators expecibly on Ted
Cruiz's border trip by ordering them todelete photos of kids in overcrowdit facilities.
But they refused, and good forthem. Let me just give you some

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context here about what went on lastweek. Now, nineteen Republican senators on
Friday decided to and again visit SouthTexas, and folks, let me tell
you, it was one of thosethings that just kind of drives you crazy.
And apparently in Donna, Texas.Now, the senators who were in

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attendance shared images from inside the sheltershowing the hollest crowded conditions with children packed
almost side by side. Now,pods designed to hold only eighty children were
cremed at nearly ten times capacity,holding approximately seven hundred and nine. Now,
the buy administration has refused to allowpress inside of the facility to document

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the conditions. But folks, youknow, one of the things that's really
really aggravating about this is didn't weall hear for the last four years the
liberal media, whether it was CNN, MSNBC or garbage publications like The New
York Times, the Washington Post,the Chicago Tribune, the La Times,
all talking about, oh, howinhumane the conditions were right by the Trump

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administration, Right, didn't we hearabout, oh, you know, the
term kids in cages, right,which originally, if you remember, started
out during the Obama Biden administration,right from two thousand and nine to sixteen,
but the liberal media never really seta peep about it. But during
the Trump presidency it was something thatthe liberal media was almost fixated on.
But now it seems that conditions areworse at the border, especially at these

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facilities. Remember, they're not youknow, kids aren't in cages anymore.
They are now in detention centers ordetention camps. So obviously the wording has
changed tremendously. But one of thethings that we've learned obviously is that you
know, the Byan administration has rolledback some very tump tough Trump era graction

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policies, which, to know one'ssurprise, has sparked a surge of people
a crossing the border last monthay,was documented and more than one hundred thousand
migrants Okay, we're apprehended and thatright now, Ledge and Joe, let's
be honest, there's just an inadequateamount of resources, okay, and infrastructure
to cope with the search. Butthe Biden administration doesn't want you to know

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that, right, And for alot of people, especially for those of
you especially on my new speed onsocial media, they're all like, you
know, these political scientists, rightthat had so much you know, inner
knowledge of our immigration policies or howthese you know, centers were being run.
Well, you can stop talking aboutit now that Joe Biden's in charge.

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Guess what. Well, now,all of a sudden, it's crickets,
right, It's almost as quiet ascity field in October. Okay,
let's be honest about it. Iran, that's how quiet it is.
Okay, And of course you know, hey, as long as as long
as you're not seeing mean tweets anymoreon your news speed, I guess everything's
peaching now, right. But folks, that is I think when it gets

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a lot of us aggravated about howBlanley dishons the liberal mainstream media is because
as we all see, there's beena surge of the border. Okay,
there has been. And again,you know, when you look at how
awful this is, and you know, you look at it from a perspective
of optics, right, It's alwaysabout optics. It's always about how you

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know, we see things, right, and again, if we can run
that asset there, that'd be great. About the border, I know there's
an asset there we have there toshow our audience. But folks, this
is what tries me absolutely bonkers,right because now we're seeing that essentially the
Biden administration is kind of given agreen light to these caravans of people coming

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from Central America. Right, weall listen, we don't we don't know
who's coming in with COVID. Whetherit's parents with their children or children separately,
we don't know. But meanwhile,here in the United States, right,
we have to get vaccinated, wehave to make sure that we are
practicing responsible social distancing, right thatwe're wearing masks. But yeah, here
at the border, that doesn't seemto be a priority. And for whatever

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reason, it seems like the liberalmedia won't call out Joe Biden on this.
And of course, you know lastweek, folks, how embarrassing was
it that in the middle of theweek, right almost in the mid afternoon,
when no one's really watching television.I mean I was, but that
the White House Society to sort ofparade Joe Biden out for a pressor he
could tell how incoherent he was.Right, God, Perbiddy did this during

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primetime. It's amazing to me.Volks. Where you know the president of
United States, the forty sixth presidentwent nearly I think sixty plus days without
giving a press conference. Okay,But in the previous administration, if the
forty fifth president went sixteen minutes withoutgiving a pressor or wanting to take questions
from from the media, oh mygod, everybody was bitching a moment about

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it, right, whether it wasCNN, MSNBC or anybody. Right,
But now that Joe Biden is cognitivelyfolks, listen my PhD's nine psychology.
Okay, but I'm a social scientist, but I know enough from my years
in grad school, from taking courseswhatever, that I can absolutely detect when
someone is cognitive cognitively declining before myvery eyes. Okay. And I'm not

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trying to make fun of that,because maybe we have family members that are
going through this, and I getit's not a funny situation when we see
someone's cognitive state really in decline.Again, it's not a funny matter.
But this is the president of theUnited States. This is supposedly who eighty
million plus people voted for because he'sseeing like such an overwhelming improvement over Donald

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Trump. And well, we're allseeing in more than sixty days that that's
not the case. But again,the liberal media won't hold his feet to
the fire. We also over theweekend that an official from the Biden administration
went to the border to stop SenatorTech Crews and others from documenting. You
saw it, obviously, It's allover the media. It's all over social
media too, Instagram, Twitter,and on Facebook, where you could hear

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tech Cruise's voice clearly in the backgroundtelling this woman like, Hey, what
does the biob instration have to beafraid of? Folks? It's just downright
disgraceful. And I'm looking at againthese dynamics that are being reported over the
weekend. It's not just US CenterTech Cruise, but others that feel the
need to do the media's job andreport on these horrendous living conditions. Didn't

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we hear right throughout the campaign bothJoe Biden and God help us, Kamala
Harris right talking about, oh mygod, well, you know, we're
gonna have a more humane policy whenit comes to immigration. We're gonna have
a more humane policy at the border. Really, does it look humane to
you, folks? When kids,when the maximum media kids can fit into
one pod and you're having over sevenhundred now crammed in there, folks.

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If that's humanity, then I needto see what is something that is the
degradation of society because it seems likethis administration continues to be tone death And
then got for senators to cruise andothers that went to the border again and
reported on this, whether it wasIndiana Senator Mike Brown or others. God

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blessed them because we all know that. Whether it's Chucky Schmunky Todd at you
know, NBC Meet the Press,or we're talking about I don't know,
deface the Nation right on CBS,or even Chris Wallace, who I lost
a lot of respect for. Youknow what, why aren't they at the
border recording on this? I thinkit's disgraceful. Hocus something we'll definitely keep
an eye on for and we'll keeptalking about it here on Lincoln Lunch because

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other news channels and other news programsaren't doing that. We'll be right back
here as we continue with Money Mondayhere on Lincold Lunch'm fro Anandi Arabia,
philandin for John Tobacco. We'll beright back after this. Hi, Hi

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everyone, welcome back. Yes,you're in the right spot. It is
a liquid lunch here on a MoneyMonday. I am Fernandi Reva, New
Jersey's premier journalists, filling in forthe next New York City Controller John Tabackwise
he's on the campaign sholt today,so we have a jam pack show.
We're going live here on this TVand also Facebook live unto two pm.
And of course, folks here onMoney Monday, we bring you money guests,

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and today's obviously right now is anexception. Joining me now is doctor
Dean Finelli, a pharmaceutical management expertand also an attorney at Cooley LP.
Doctor Finnelli, counselor. How areyou, sir, doing well? Fernando,
Thank you for having me. Appreciateit, Doctor Fernelli. You know
right now we're sort of living ina sort of very awkward and very volatile

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time when it comes to COVID andvaccinations here in New Jersey, for example,
I know the governor is getting alot of flak from media, even
from like the officials within his ownparty that vaccine rollouts are not happening as
quickly as they should. We knowthat's happening in other states as well.
What are you hearing as someone thatworks in the industry about vaccine rollouts and
why is such a sluggish pace inso many states. Yeah, that's a

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good question, because certain states aredoing it very well, and you know,
we have almost about one hundred andfifty million people Americans that have been
vaccinated in about one hundred and eightymillion doses that have been distributed. Yet
certain states, as you mentioned NewJersey and amongst others, they're not really
getting it as well as they could. I think some of it has to
do with just overly bureaucratic kind ofyou know, that type of nonsense getting

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in the way and not really rollingit out to the pharmacies as well as
they should be. But other Ireally think the main reason is, you
know, this government bureaucracy that's justkind of tying things up. Sometimes you
just have to let the market figurethings out, and in New Jersey it
seems like they're not doing that aswell. No, they certainly are not.
And I think that's a lot ofthe flat that the governor who's facing

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reelection as a matter of fact,is having to endure right now, you
know, doctor Finn, let meask you this and again from a real
world perspective, sort of an everyday, you know, regular guide perspective,
many people are still very leary aboutvaccinations. I mean, for example,
my parents, who don't have anypredisting conditions, they're in very good health,
but you know, they're older,all right there, They're in their

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late sixties, early seventies, andaccordingly, you know, listen, let's
be preemptive here, let's be judicious. And my parents went ahead and got
vaccinated. But many people, whetherit's in their asia demographic or even in
my own are still leary, right. I mean it's almost like, you
know, the flu has been aroundfor over a hundred years, We've had
different variations of the flue shop butyet people all around the world still die

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of the flu. Ye, yes, we had a very slow flu season
probvious reasons. But I think that'salmost the mindset that many people have.
I would speculate, ask to whythey're hesitant about, you know, the
COVID vaccine, whether it's mode ornot. But it's Johnson Johnson, I
mean, it just seems like,wait a minute, even if we get
vaccinated, we're still going to beperhaps susceptible to new variants. We'll stop

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to wear a mask, we'll stopto engage in other protocols. And for
a lot of people, that justseems like, wait a minute, what's
the sense of vaccination them if westill have to engage in these sort of
protocols. Is that fair to sayin terms of people being concerned? I
think it is. But I thinkwe have to remember, you know,
when you think about this, ninetyeight ninety nine percent of us are going
to be fine. You know.The reason we have to get vaccinated is

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because you know that one two percentof people, you know, do that
over the course of three hundred millionpeople. You know, that adds up
to quite a bit of people.So we have to get vaccinated. I
think the point though, is Ithink the government has to be a little
more judicious and a little more expedientwith getting out accurate information. I think,
you know, when we hear aboutyou know you have to get after
your vaccinated, you just still haveto wear the mask. I think,

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you know, we need to explainto yes, for now, we're still
figuring out. It looks like thevaccines are going to prevent the not only
protecting us from the symptoms of thevirus, but also preventing the preventing the
transmission of the virus. So that'san important factor that gives people optimism that,
Okay, get vaccinated, there arethese good things that are going to
happen. Where are the masks forthe time being, But we're going to

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be back. We could definitely seethat light at the end of the tunnel
at this point, absolutely, andjust getting back to a sense of normalcy
is so crucial here. I mean, here in New Jersey where I live,
I'm seeing so many municipalities opening upthings as simple as you know,
summer baseball leagues, right or arecreation of soccer or anything like that.
I mean, that just is areminder from a year ago where my god,

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we were stuck indoors right when wesaw obviously, right we didn't know
what we know now about this virus. But we're seeing again, warmer weather,
We're seeing aspects of normalcy resuming,and I mean that's great for everybody
out you know, without a doubt. Doctor, let me pick your legal
brain here from me obviously if ouraudience you're also an attorney. And here
in New Jersey, for example,Rutgers, the state university of my alma

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mater, announced this past week ontheir website that complete in class instruction will
resume in September during the new academicyear. But they also indicated on the
school website that people that will bereturning to campus, faculty, students,
whoever, will have to be vaccinated. Like that will be an end all,

(25:23):
be all, It will be noexceptions to that. However, other
colleges and universities in New Jersey,for example, where I work at at
Bergen Community College, still teaching remotely, have not yet given that mandate,
have not yet put their foot down. And I took to a lot of
educators in again in academia that arestill concerned about this. And at the

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end of the day, you know, is it more about a public health
issue or can someone just again seeklegal advice or you know, seek litigation
where like, listen, I don'twant to get vaccinated. I think this
is infringing upon my rights and myprivacy that it's not necessary. Where do
you see any legal arguments like thisproceeding? Because it seems like this is

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an inevitable counselor Yeah. I thinkthat's a really important point. You know,
we are seeing you know, atthis point, we're still learning a
lot, and I think people maybestill kind of overreacting. I think we
do certainly want to protect people.It's great to hear schools are going back
certainly in this area as well.But I think as more information comes back,
we're going to see that get pulledback. I mean, I think

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a blanket everyone needs to get vaccinatedperiod is a little over the top.
You know, as I mentioned earlier, ninety eight percent of us are going
to be fine. Most of thecountry's getting vaccinated. We're going to hit
that herd immunity over the summer,so for all tens of purposes, we're
going to be in very good shape. Whether or not people are vaccinated,
getting back to school, it's goingto be very safe. So I think

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having this blanket you need to proveyour vaccinated to get in as a little
over the top. And as youmentioned, from the legal perspective, you
know, there are going to becertain people that just can't be vaccinated,
whether it's health conditions or religious beliefs, and universities will have to make combinations
for those people as well. SoI think right now we're hearing rules go
out I think to ease parents concernsabout kids, but I think we're gonna

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see universities pulling back on these goes. A blanket over the top kind of
everyone needs to be vaccinated is alittle too much legally, and I think
personally as well. I'm with you, counselor, and speaking about vaccinations again,
we heard over the weekend here inthe New York, New Jersey area
it seems like New York State mightbe one of the first in the country
to require a vaccine passport. Youknow, when I hear those terms,

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Counselor, it makes me very worriedabout Listen, I'm already skeptical of government
enough as it is, and italmost sort of reminds us about man,
is government becoming a little uscurpatious?Here? Is government becoming a little too
invasive? Is government becoming again Ihate to throw this word out because it
sort of gets thrown out too often, but it seems like it's becoming a

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little totalitarian. When we started hearingin terms like vaccine passports, and we
won't be able to travel state tostate or even do anything without a vaccine
passport. Counselor, Again, you'rethe legal mind, I'll I'll sort of
just conceit to you, this seemsoverly invasive. Again, and I'm just
I'm just an academic. But toa regular guy, this seems over the

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invasive. Counselor, absolutely, Imean, the legal aspects of this are
just, you know, way overthe top. I mean, it just
screams out kind of Eastern European Sovietera, show me your papers ce nonsense
of you know, the government justgetting in every aspect of our business.
You could see the government just alreadyjust imagining what could happen. You could
see the government saying, okay,I'm only gonna allow a restaurant to open

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one hundred percent if you have thisvaccination passport, using it to manipulate businesses.
I just think it's it's you know, I get it, the government
wants to protect the people, Butagain, I think it's a little over
the top. We can't de riskeverything, and you know, once we
hit her immunity, it's going tobe safe for people to get out.
And I just don't really see aneed for this doctor finale with just about

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a minute, we have left herereal quickly. I know, baby people
to show concern about the different typeof vaccines. I'm not a fan of
needles to begin with, So ifsomeone's telling me then Moderna requires two injections
and Johnson Johnson only requires one,it seems like the Jay and Jay one
seems more feasible for me, especiallyhaving this panack tack I have about needles.
But what are you hearing about theeffectiveness of these different vaccines and why

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one requires two dosages and one onlyrequires one. What are you hearing?
Very quickly, Yeah, that's justthe way the trials were run. I
mean, certainly you will have someimmunity after the first shot or FIS or
MODERNA, they're all very effective.You know, you shouldn't think I don't
want Jay and Jay. We're gettinghung up on these percentages. They'll all
save lives and they'll all protect youfrom being those severe symptoms and being in

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the hospital. So whatever one youcan get will help, whether it's Jay
and Jay or fires or MODERNA.Doctor Fernellio, very quickly, before we
let you go, I know youwent to school in Philly at Temple.
You're living now in DC? Whatis that like? Because I've been in
DC plenty of times. Some nightSeria is not There's also not so many
nice series in DC. How haveyou adjusted to living in the nation's capital.

(30:06):
You know, it's it's changes allthe time. Every four years we
have these new administrations coming in andyou can it's palpable. You could feel
the city change, and you know, unfortunately it seems like it's a little
bit draconium, like a lot ofcities now. But I think we're seeing
that light at the end of thetunnel. Hopefully DC doesn't have these passports
though. I agree with you,and again doctor Fernelli, stay safe and

(30:27):
healthy. We appreciate contributions here onLiquid Lunch. Thank you so much,
and we'll talk to you again soonhere on a Money Monday, my pleasure.
Thank you folks. Again, DoctorFernelli there noted and renowned pharmacuical management
expert, also an attorney at CooleyLP in Washington, DC. Folks,
We've still got a lot more togo here on a Money Monday edition.

(30:48):
I'm Fernadi Remay filling in for hopefullyactually he's next controller John Tobacco who was
on the campaign show today. We'llbe right back here on a TV and
Facebook live right after this. Thankhi everyone, welcome back here to a

(31:23):
Money Monday edition here of Liquid Lunch. I'm fern Adi Reba, pulling in
for hopefully New York City's next controller, John Tobacco as he's on the campaign
trail here or just about to closeout hour one. And what a great
way to do so with Joe Pinion, noted Republicans tragist and a superstar in
his own right. I know I'veseen him on news Back TV and other
news outlets. Joe, how areyou, sir? I always good to

(31:45):
join your my friend hopeball as well. Thank you, Joe, You're making
my job a lot easier here ona Money Monday. Um, Joe,
let's start up with I talked aboutthis earlier during News of the Day,
and it's just really interesting to meseeing the buying administration now being so cautious
and so koy with how they're notallowing footage to be taken at the border
at these detention centers right because beforethey were kids in cages right where supposedly

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only eighty kids can fit in there. But now we have up to seven
hundred, and thank god for likeState, the US centers like Tech Cruz
and Mike Brown collectively that are goingto the border to report this because god
knows, the mainstream media isn't doingtheir job. Well. Look, I
think the great thing about America I'vealways said is I don't get to tell
you what to believe, but Ido get the demand to be consistent.

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The lack of consistency that we havefrom the left end the media is shocking.
It's beyond the pale. He hadAOC as I call weeping at the
gate talking about the detention of thesechildren, and previously all of a sudden
she went from tweeting about it nonstops. You're barely talking about it today.
Look, we know for a factthat it's not enough to say you want

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to help people. Sometimes the mannerin which you try to help people actily
is causing more trauma and more damage. We know that these children are being
brought here for illegitimate purposes, thatthese children and mayways find themselves being sex
traffic. We know that the womento come here that are brought here by
coyotes find themselves sometimes being the victimof sexual assault. These are real threats.

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So it's not enough to just saygive people a pathway open. Biden,
as the Speaker of the House says, you have to really talk about
what are you doing and how areyou doing it? And lost in all
this are the millions upon millions ofpeople who, in spite of facing the
same challenges of those people who arecoming here illegally, have chosen to go

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through the legal process of coming tothis country to claim their place through rightful
methods. And those are the peoplethat we should want to support. Those
are the people that we should wantto fast track. And that is completely
not what the left is doing,and that is completely out of step or
what the Biden administration is doing rightnow. They don't it's not enough to
say that we have a border crisis. They don't even want us to have

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a border view. Absolutely, AndI'm really glad you brought that up,
Joe, because I talk about whatmy students all the time as I'm still
teaching remotely that you know, herelike any other industrialized nation in the world,
preserving our sovereignty, preserving our borders. That's not racist, that's not
being xenophobic, that's not being bigotedor prejudiced. That is practicing what I

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would argue is governing, and that'swhat we expect out of the federal government.
I mean, it's written into ourmost sacred document about the preservation of
sovereignty. It just seems like likemany liberals are progressive, especially in the
media, don't want to have thoseconversations or are they sort of enable these
elected officials like you know, SandyCortez as well as Chucky Schumer and other
prominent Democrats said, you know whatthey're all about. We have to wear

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masks, have to be vaccinated.How about the concerns of one hundreds of
thousands of people coming at the border. We don't know if they're being tested,
We don't know if they're they're carryingcovie, we don't know they're caring
variants. But you know what,we can't talk about that because again,
as unders, we're not seeing meantweets anymore. That's all that matters,
Joe, at least that's what Ithink. I mean, the overwhelming majority
of people in line to come tothis country legally are brown people. They

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are minorities. So the notion issomehow that wanting people to come here a
few legal methods is in leve ofself racist makes no sense. You look
at what's going on with these withthese politicians and saying that, you know,
we want to ensure that we haveborder security. Terrorists only have to
get this thing right. One time. We learned on nine to eleven the

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hard way that a small group ofindividuals organized can have a catastrophic impact on
the nation of over three hundred andfifty million souls. So let's be very
clear. It's a security risk,it is a humanitarian risk. It is
immoral what we're doing here, luringpeople here on the false pretense at this
point, because that is effectively whatthe Biden administration is doing. They're simply

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listening to the words that he saidon stage when he was running to be
president. So that's what's happening rightnow. And for the media and the
left to pretend that somehow this isa mess of Donald Trump's making, when
any reality, it's only happening becausethey have repealed all of Donald Trump's policies
makes absolutely no sense. It's intellectuallydishonest, it's a lie. Absolutely Joe

(36:12):
speak about another bad policy with thisnew administration. We hear that it's not
so much about listen, we doneed infrastructure repair. But Transportation Secretary Pete
Boody Jedge came out on the Sundaymorning talk shows yesterday talking about that there's
discussions about taxing the mileage of driversin this country and that's how we're going
to make up the money to raiserevenue for this new infrastructure plan. I

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mean, does it ever occur toliberals and progressives to maybe think about maybe
reducing spending or being a little moreresponsible with taxpayer dollars I mean to the
tax drivers, I mean, talkabout draconium and talk about being tone deaf.
In this era of code where thereare still millions of Americans that have
not even yet gotten their unemployment benefitsor their stimulus check, it just seems

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that Pete Boody Gedge and the leftcontinue to tone deaf on issues like this.
Joe. I mean, they're runningaround calling themselves progressive. There's nothing
more regressive than taxing the common manforgoing about doing the things required to keep
a roof over their head. Soit just it boggles the mind how the
Bid administration and their allies in themedia have decided that Joe Biden alone with

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his stroke of a pen and onepoint nine tillion dollars in funny money that
we just printed. That's what spikingthis recovery has apparently nothing to do with
the recovery that was put in placeby President Trump, has nothing to do
with the fact that operational warp speed, which they said was a fantasy,
delivered a vaccine and record time ofvaccine that right now is going into the

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arms of millions of Americans at arate, by the way, which is
slightly slower than what President Trump hadprojected before the election. So look,
at the end of the day,we just have to be able to call
a spade a spade, be honestabout what's happening here. We spent four
years listening to people talk about theseseven millions of I was created in the
first three years of the Trump administration, had nothing to do with Trump and

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everything to do with Barack Obama.Now, suddenly, less than one hundred
days into this administration, all ofthe economic recovery that is occurring is a
direct result of the policies that haven'teven been fully implemented. As director result
of the checks that haven't even gottento do, the people that have already
needed them the most. This isa joke of epic proportions. Joe,
we have about a minute left.You're very quickly. Last week, the

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White House decided to parade out JoeBiden for a news conference in the middle
of the day when really no one'swatching. He was still very coherent.
I'm gonna trying to make fun ofsomeone who's cognitibility to client before us.
But listen, any million people votedfor this. I'm sorry, very quickly
before let you go. Your thoughtson what I saw was just absolutely laughing.
I mean, look, we listenedto people for four years say that

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President Trump was a lunatic who neededto have the twenty fifth Amendment evoked.
Immediately, we witnessed a man wobblingas if he could clearly have any gate.
So that's the issue right now.It hits hypocrisy, and he's clearly
in many ways not up for thejob. And it's sad he's been allowed
to be trying to out here,Joe, I couldn't agree with you more.
Brothers, Stay healthy and safe.We'll talk to you soon here on

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liquid lunch and closing, and checkout joe opinion on News mex Obviously,
he's doing a great job there.And Joe, we'll talk to again soon
here on. Thank you, myfriend. I appreciate you. So we're
right back here again. We'll justclose it up. Hour one, hour
two starts right out.