April 29, 2024 • 42 mins
Join me and Dragon master jacob as we talk about the new fallout show and where it succeeds where shows like halo failed. this is a live show every Saturday at 10 am MDT -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/colorlessmoon65
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We're back this week. Of course, we're here to talk about the new
Fallout show. If you don't knowanything, Amazon recently released the Fallout TV
show. It released on April twelfth. It has sparked an interesting discussion in
the community about video game adaptations andhas caused an interesting stir in the Fallout
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community as a whole. So we'rehere to talk about it. Cover the
show, cover the response to it, and how the games have kind of
responded as well. I'm your host, Isaiah, I'm dragon Master Jake,
and this is locked flute. Yeah. So April twelfth, the Fallout show
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released came out by Amazon Prime.Amazon Prime brought it out on April twelfth.
It was mostly I would call ita mostly faithful adaptation to Fallout,
to the Fallout Seer video games.It was really well done. There,
there's an amazing budget behind it,good acting, fantastic story. But this
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has sparked the discussion about video gameadaptations done right. Oh yeah, I
mean there's been several games. Imean, you look at They've tried to
make several games into TV shows andmovies and a lot of them don't do
well. We're looking at you,Halo. Oh so pretty bad. What
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really came out about this is thatthey are staying faithful to the source material
very much. So they created rulesthat they followed. They went to the
game makers Todd Howard, and said, hey, is there anything you didn't
want us to touch? Is thereanything you don't want us to cover?
Is there anything you don't want usto do? Well, we're making this
show, which was a great wayof setting things up to help with with
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keeping in cannon as well as justmaking it a good movie in general,
because they knew where they could goand what potentially what could help with then
with pretty much advertise the next game. So the rules that they followed and
were told to follow by Todd Howardwere one, you cannot discuss send the
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zero San Francisco, and that makessense that it might be a storyline that's
coming in Fallout four Fallout five.They I think there was something discussion about
not touching Philadelphia either. They alsosaid, you cannot decanonize any of you
cannot decanonize any canon ending yeah,which and they respected that. They very
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much respected that. So when you'regetting into that, when you're getting into
the hey don't do this, don'tdo that, and you're going to the
game makers and saying, Okay,we respect that, we respect the source
material, and they made a faithfuladaptation. More than that, Fallout feels
like the Fallout games. I mean, I love how I love how somebody
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else put was the TV show feelslike you're going over and playing watching your
friend play Fallout. Yep, itfeels like you're watching somebody play the game.
It. They kept a good storylinegoing, They've got good acting,
the characters are well designed. Therewere some There was some There was some
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discussion about the power armor, specificallyone scene. I think it's in the
trailer that we're showing here. There'sa scene where he is kind of flying
in in a suit of power armory. He's got thus and he looks like
he doesn't know what he's doing.And the community when they saw the trailer
were like, we're gonna hate thisbecause we don't We're not sure this is
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gonna be good because he doesn't evenlook like he knows how to use power
armor. And then the show cameout and it was like, you're right,
he doesn't know how to use powerarmor. It was it was a
really good way of showing that Hey, it just similar to the games.
It's some guy jumped in a suitof power armor and figured it out.
It is, like I said,it's really well done. If you haven't
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watched the Fallout Show and haven't reallylike went into it, it's it's worth
it. It's good introduction to theFallout series. There's some parts that everyone's
like, very that confused everybody.You know, there's the fall of Shady
Sands, which is in the Itwas in one of the trailers. It
had the discussion. It does reallywell with cleaning up its storylines, respecting
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the source material, which is superimportant. And we're gonna actually talk about
why you respect that source material andsome of the other shows that have come
out that haven't done it Halo andwhy this We really just want to rant
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about Halo here, don't we.Okay, I've watched I've watched the Halo
Show all the way through so far. My condolences. It was it was
a good show, as in,if you know nothing about Halo whatsoever,
entertainment wise, it was interesting.But as far as when you've played Halo
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and understand the story, it washorrible exactly so. And that's the source
material thing. You know, everybodywants to do their own spin, and
it's like, you can do astory in the world. We're actually gonna
close the trailer here because we don'tneed it at this point. And what
I'm saying is you can, youcan. You can do a story in
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the world, and I think Falloutin some other games show sorry, prove
this. You can do something inthe world that is canon while still respecting
the source material as it is.Oh yeah, and they really showed just
how well you can do it.It was a really amazing show show.
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Not only that, but it gota lot of people when they were going
through the while they were watching theshow, it got them interested in the
Fallout games. I mean there wasa massive spike in a player base across
all Fallout games. Yeah, likethey came out, you know, Fallout
four had like three hundred thousand concurrentplayers I think, and then five million
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concurrent players across all Fallout games whenthis show came out. It was just
an amazing way that they brought thecommunity back in and they really the company
really did well on furthering it withthem releasing a the Next Gen update for
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Fallout four. They really capitalized onthe publicity from from Fallout. Yeah,
and they came out with that.We'll be talking about the new Fallout update
a little bit later, but thefact that the show did so well,
We're going back to what I wasoriginally talking about here, in that you
can do a something based in theworld, you can keep it canon without
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without I would say, desecrating,but contradicting the canon. So if you
know, when, like I said, they went to the Todd Howard and
said, Okay, what don't youwant us touch? What don't you want
us to do? Then they said, okay, you cannot decanonize anything.
They're like, cool, so wehave free rein Shady Sands. That was
all them. There was the pridWind, which fascinatingly a little bit of
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a lore thing here. The pridthey even accidentally decanonized to Fallout four endings
and I know there's no Cannon endingfor Fallout four yet. Yeah. And
they could have discussed it with withthe oh I can't remember his name,
Bethesda. Yeah, they could havediscussed it with Bethesda about uh, just
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the fact that hey, which becauseFallout four has so many has four or
five endings, and they could havejust said, hey, which endings are
we allowed to decanonize because you knowyou're not gonna go down that ye.
So it could have been that theywent to Bethesda and said, hey,
we want this in there. Whatis the canon ending for Fallout four so
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that we know when we're building ourshow that we can do this. So
because the show is canon and itand it didn't they didn't fully decanonize and
specifically pick a specific ending for Falloutfour because all it I think me and
my brother had this discussion earlier todayabout it decanonized I think two endings.
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Yeah, it decanonized. So theexistence of the prid Win the ship has
been confirmed by by people who havegone frame by frame through the scenes with
it zooming in heavily and finding hey, that's the prid Win. It says
prid Win on it that it immediatelydecanonizes the Institute ending and the Railroad ending
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for Fallout four, which because inboth those endings you destroy the Brotherhood of
Steel. And like I said,they could have gone to him and said,
hey, are you looking at keepingthe Brotherhood of Steel for Fallout five?
And if Bethesda said yes, thenokay, you know for a fact
that the prid Win was not destroyedspecifically, are you planning on keeping the
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the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhoodof Steel, Yeah, the Capital chapter
because you can keep the West Coastchapter. They're just slowly dying off.
But yeah, when they went through, and it's like, cool that decanonizes
two, And of course the fanbase was like, as soon as that
things shut up, is that theprid Win is my ending no longer canon?
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And of course sometimes it wasn't.At some point it's like, oh
yeah, sorry, man, theInstitute can't win the Commonwealth. You need
Nuka Cola for that. The Institutecan't win the Commonwealth. Sorry. The
Railroad doesn't win the Commonwealth either theMinute Men win or the Brotherhood win.
So at least when you got aplayer Fallout four, Hey, we talked
about a theory on the Raiders personalcanon I would like to have. I
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would like to have the the thecanon ending for for Fallout four be that
the Minutemen one defeated the Institute andthen the Soul Survivor sided with the Raiders
and invaded the Commonwealth. Personally,I would love that to be canon.
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I don't think it ever would becreate an interesting story with the Soul Survivor.
But overall, like and it justhasn't just brought up like Fallout four
coming back. They were smart anddefinitely capitalized on Fallout Fallout Show's release by
giving us Fallout for, but theydid not they were not like, they
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did not immediately go, hey,you know what we're gonna do. We're
going to release a new game oranything. It hasn't just brought up the
discussion about Fallout for because the otherfollow up games have been brought into discussion.
People have gone back to play Falloutthree. Followup three is widely regarded
to be a masterpiece. Oh yeah, and uh they even people have even
gone to fall Out seventy six,which that one was a rough game when
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they released it. It was,But the fact that people have gone back
to play it still shows just howhow much impact this show had. Yeah,
it shows how much impact this showhad. It shows how much how
much change has happened. Not tomention there's a discussion about what kind of
Fallout player are you? What kindof Fallout player are you? If you
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don't know what kind of follow upplayer you are, well, we have
a discussion to make because in myopinion, they're out of the Fallout players
are You've got three types of Falloutplayers. You've got the New Vegas player.
Where's my camera? You've got theNew Vegas player. They only play
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New Vegas. They think New Vegasis the best one. They hate the
inferiority of Fallout four in some ofthe other games. You have the Fallout
player, which is the ones thatplay seventy six, four and three,
you know, the Bethesda Fallout player. And then you have the tactical,
not tactical, but old school Falloutplayer, the ones that play fall Out
one and two, the ones thatplayed the old school kind of tactical RPG
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kind of thing. Yeah. Imean, I've seen gameplay of Fallout one
in two moreover the Fallout games.This whole Fallout discussion has come up.
Personally, I'm a Fallout four player. I love Fallout four. I tried
to play New Vegas. Going backto New Vegas in twenty twenty four without
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mods and on like a console isimpossible. Of course, Fallout seventy six
almonds and chat here and he hejust mentioned, you know, hey,
it it never fell off the shelves. His exact thing is Fallout seventy six
never fell out of the shelves.Nobody bought Fallout seventy six. I think
it's on game Pass, Yeah,and their expansions are in game pass.
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No one played seventy six because seventysix was a busted mess. Yeah,
I mean it was legitimately to thepoint where at this point, unless you
mod it, you can barely evenopen the game. Well, you can't
really mod seventy six because it's anonline only game, and that's just it.
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At least with Fallout, Fallout three, Fallout New Vegas, and Fallout
four, you can mod the gameto all hell and go full sky or
mod it till it breaks. Yeah, well you actually want to play the
game, so you mod it tilit breaks, then you uninstall the last
modul' insalled it works. But that'sthe thing. You got to do,
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that kind of thing to keep thegame going. And they've definitely capitalized on
this. We're going to actually talkabout the the new stuff that came to
fall Out for because they didn't justgive us the next gen update. They
they moved content similar to what theydid for the UH for the Skyrim Anniversary
Edition. That's that's you, mybad that's my phone buzzing. The Sorry
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my I don't know why my phonewas buzzing. They where was I added
stuff? They didn't just kind oflike what they did for the Skyrim Anniversary
Edition Bethays, the added content fromthe Creation Club into the main game.
Yeah, and that's what they didhere with the new Fallout four uh that
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they released for the next gen consoles. They they brought it to four K,
They've added a performance mode, They'veadded a lot of side quests and
stuff to the game. They addedan Enclave storyline. So they didn't just
go like, you can not playit in four K, it's next gen
up grade. No, they went, let's actually put some content in there.
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Let's make it an upgrade. Let'ssee for the players that are coming
back, let's give them something new, which is very important when you're when
you're trying to get people back intoyour games, because now they can go
well, as soon as the showreleased, I want to know their sales.
I want to know their sales,Spike. Honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if when they released season two, if shortly after they release Fallout five,
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mainly because I mean they would continuethem keeping that ball rolling. That's
true, they keeping that ball rolling. Honestly, I firmly believe that fallow
has its own problems, especially withFallout four. They had a huge mistake
when they were releasing this, sothey did not And we want to discuss
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some of the controversy that's going onright now in the fall up community.
Other than the outright hostility towards newFallout players, New Vegas players are pretty
elitist about the whole thing. I'vebeen seeing memes all over online right now
about like Fallout Fallout New Vegas versusFallout four. It's like, no,
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No, Fallout New Vegas players arevery elitist. They very much think their
game is the best one. Honestly, I do believe it has the best
story of them all. But youreally want to tell me that the gameplay
of Fallout New Vegas is better thanthe gameplay of Fallout, So Fallout four
probably not. I mean, likeyou're saying, the story is really really
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good, but I mean just howsmooth the gameplay is, and Fallout four
it almost feels how my brothers alwaysdescribed it is. Fallout four is Skyrim
with guns, fall for Skyrim withguns. Uh, and and that's a
very like adaptable way to play.It means they were intending for a very
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very intentional gameplay loop, which isthe Skyrim gameplay loop of go into an
area, eliminate the enemies, getthe treasure. It's played less as a
full on RPG. Now back tothe little bit of the controversy. Other
than you know, the the otherthan you know, the Fallout Fallout New
Vegas players being hostile towards everyone elsethat that's pretty normal, and the Fallout
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one and two players being back.They're going like, we exist, we
started this, we played the firstfew games, and I'm like, there's
not I got nothing against them.They they do well. I think the
games are just before my time,and it's before a lot of our time.
You know, I grew up onSkyrim. I grew up on Fallout,
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so not Fallout. I didn't playFallout until I was an adult,
but I grew up on Skyrim,so I knew the gate when I saw
the Fallout game plan, like,it's Skyrim with guns, Well, let's
get some guns. And what's evenbetter is the fact that now you can
actually mod Skyrim to have guns.But that's the thing. The other bit
is they did not warn their moddingcommunity about the next gen update, so
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there's no mods. The mod supportis in the gutter right now because every
mod broke when this upgraded updated.Do you know it's even worse. There
was a massive project going on inFallout four for a major mod called Fallout
London. Well, that's just itas far as the modern community. Yes,
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it throws a wrench in the plants, but the modern community always will
come out with something eventually. Imean it may take a little bit longer,
but they will then. But letme let me talk about Fallout London
real quick, because Fallout London waslike essentially a complete area, changes moves,
Fallout into London, new new textures, knew everything, It's essentially a
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new game, new stories, newNPC's everything. They essentially made a new
game in the Fallout four engine,and then three days after its release,
unceremoniously they dropped the next gen upgrade. Ooh, so there's probably still gonna
be a lot of people that aregonna play it on the old Yeah.
Plus they promised us the next genup upgrade like two or three years ago.
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Yeah, I mean they promised ittwo or three years ago. But
they also having the show. Theydid a really good job with the release
of the next Gen update. It'slate, but their timing was really well
done. It was well done.It had its own issues. You know,
they could have given the community somewarning. What was it that they
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Bethesda did with the Skyrim Anniversary Edition, Because before they released the Anniversary Edition
or one of the big updates,they went to the modern community and were
like, hey, what's gonna Hey, by the way, this is coming
out. Here's the changes that arebeing made. I don't know if they
handed them like an advanced advanced copyor something to let them get ahead start,
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but they gave their community a headstart on their modding, being like,
yeah, we're about to change this. We know we're about to screw
your entire mod but don't worry.We'll give you a head start to get
it fixed. Fallout just didn't havethat, the fact that they just unceremoniously
released it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, they should have let the
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modern community know. But that alsodepends on whether or not they wanted people
to continue to mod the game.Because they're adding so much, they may
have wanted that time for people toplay all the new content before they start
modeling it. And that could beand but I don't respect that as a
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decision because it's a Bethesda game.Bethesda games are held up by their modern
community, and they're bugs, andthey're bugs. So we we discussed it
briefly before, but we we we'regonna change topics real quick. And I
want to get onto like like howthe Fallout Show got it right and why
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other companies get it wrong. Wewant to get angry. We're gonna talk
about Halo. Yeah, that waslike I said, I don't know if
you've watched season two. I haven't. No, I don't. I didn't
even watch season one. I heardthe stuff about them, and I shied
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away from the Halo Show. Sofollow some Fallout show came out out earlier
this year. There was the seasontwo of the Halo TV show. One
the Halo TV Show. God,it's a It is an example of why
you should never let people that donot respect the source material get a hold
of a get a hold of aproperty. Oh yeah, I mean Halo
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could have been done really well,and how they did it was horrible.
They didn't really follow Halo's story.What's whatsoever. I mean, well,
they did worse than that. Theybutchered the canon. Oh yeah. And
then they come out and go,oh, this isn't based in the Halo
in the video game universe. Thisis its own universe. And it's like,
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then, what the what's the pointand Plane in releasing the show?
It's not canon, It's not worthit. Your story is not better if
you're gonna, if you're gonna completelyrewrite the canon to something, you need
to make it better. And Ihave an example of this. Let's talk
Castlevania. Castlevania. Jake hasn't seenCastlevania. I haven't. Castlevania is an
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adaptation of the Castlevania games. Itdoes not follow the Castlevania story. It
follows its own complete story with Draculaand all of that. But it is
done so well. The action scenesare on point, the characters are on
point, the story is fun.It's good. I argue that the story
is better than some of the Castlevaniagames. If you are going to rewrite
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canon and you are going to makeit your own thing, your product has
to be better than the original.And Halo did not do that. No,
like you said, they butchered thatstory and it was Halo had a
really good story, especially when itcame to the first Halo ring discovered.
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It was a phenomenal story on howthey set it up. Well, it's
iconic and like Reach, I knowthat they did the Fall of Reach in
Halo for I mean in low seasontwo, which means they are literally going
into They're not just going into likeevents before the Games. I'd understand if
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they wanted to do the events beforethe games. You know, the original
Spartans design and attacking. You know, okay, this is what the Spartans
were designed for, quelling human rebellion. Then the Covenant showed up. Maybe
there's early days of the Covenant War. I can understand that. But when
you do the Fall of Reach,the one of the most iconic moments in
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all of Halo, the Fall ofReach. We have Noble six, we
have the Spartans doing the Spartan things. We have the difference between Spartan threes
and Spartan Two's. Yeah, youhave all of I mean all of Noble
Team in general. They as faras the TV show, they weren't there.
It's it's terrible and that's the thing. This is like they they stated
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they don't respect the source. Yeah, and it's so stupid that. I
mean, how this story was writtenwas phenomenal. Halo's story, especially when
it came to the fall of Reachand you had Noble Team and you go
through it was amazing on how theydid it. They they didn't focus everything
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on a single person. Well,and that's the thing they Reach was an
entirely different game to the other ones. The other ones were actions. This
one was a tragedy. Yeah,Halo Reach was a tragedy. And going
back to like Halo and Fallout,the kind of why why we're bringing up
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Halo in this discussion is because Halo, the Halo team was a team that
not only did not respect the sourcematerial, but actively hated the source material.
They've stated they don't play the they'venever played the Halo games, they
don't intend to play the Halo games. They they don't care. They're like,
yeah, no, had we wantedto make our own sci fi story,
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then make your own sci fi story. You don't need to put slap
Halo on it and call it Halo. Right. It's almost like Assassin's Creed
where they just start slapping Assassin's Creedon whatever they come out with yeah,
and it's like gaming's doing the samething with like as people have lost the
originals, the new stuff, they'reslapping the names on it and doesn't work.
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Ubisoft is a great example. Youbrought up Assassin's Creed. You know,
Assassin's Creed. Valhalla should not havebeen an Assassin's Creed. I mean
it. There's a lot of gamesthat they that they there's a lot of
games that are doing that where theycome out with a game and they slap
a famous a title on it,a famous title on it, and say
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it's gonna make us money, andit's like, at this point, it's
just a cash grab and I'm notgonna play. They're doing is degrading the
original. So like back to Halo, back to Fallout, Fallout respects of
source material. The people of Outrightsaid they played the Fallout games, they
love the Fallout I think it wasthe creators. Like I played all of
the Fallout games. I grew upplaying Fallout three, and it's like,
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great, you love the games.That should be a prerequisite to making Fallout
games. The Fallout show is Ilike the games, I like the source
material. It is worth it.There's this stigma in Hollywood that the source
material for that video games are thislesser medium. It's like, no,
they're telling better stories than you guys. Now heck you look at it.
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Uh, the as far as TVand entertainment in general, video games are
passing movies completely. I mean,we're you're seeing, like he was,
saying, better stories and then inthe games a lot less political stuff in
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the games. I mean a lotof people have gotten tired of that with
shows. But yeah, but we'renot. We're not here for the political
discs. And that's where it's You'reyou're wanting to move toward. You're starting
to go, well, let's startmaking games because they're these games are doing
really well. And then you butchertheir story and you go, well,
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the game did well, why didour story not. Yeah, you have
a game like RDR two, likeAllman brings up in chat, the most
amazing story you could not you couldif somebody brought to you RDR two as
a film or Red Dead Redemption asa whole, would make a fantastic film.
What I feel like is some ofthese games, you know they the
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writers were in I bet they werein Hollywood. I'd love to I need
to do some research, and Iwould love to take a look and see,
Okay, how many of these writersbefore they went into video games worked
in Hollywood. And then we're eitherdriven out or left realizing I can't tell
the story I want to tell.Yeah, the people who made Halo,
they wanted to they wanted a scifi war series. Cool, make your
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sci fi wor series. Don't callit Halo if you're gonna butcher the source
material. And I can understand ifyou like, if you make some continuity
errors. Yeah, if you makecontinuity errors and the source material is like,
you're like, okay, yeah,you can reckon that and say,
I know we made a mistake,or you know, hey, this is
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a separate world. This seth continuityworks here. But it were still staying
mostly faithful. The where I gotlost in Halo was when that human was
brought into the Covenant. Yeah,never should have happened. What I mean,
the Prophet's legitimately just throughout the Halostory, the profits sat there and
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condemned humanity as heretics and as uh, they're mere deceis. Distance was a
threat to the Covenant, their mereexistence. So as soon as somebody was
brought into the Covenant. I'm like, you don't understand the Covenant, Yeah,
because the Covenant, the Covenant wouldhave executed that child before anything.
Yeah, and never saved them inthe first place. The back to followup,
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but yeah, you you make yourshow, and when you respect the
source material, you can do yourown thing. And it's like, no,
you have this fantastic world. Ifyou respect and read into the Lord.
You're like, no, there's somethingdeep here that we can play off
of and follow it. They're like, cool, we have the Vault dwellers.
They're fantastic. They're your every manand there you have these comedic moments
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where you're like, this person doesn'tunderstand how this apocalyptic world works. And
not only that, but when youdo it right like this, where like
the follow ut TV show did,where you go through you show them these
are this is the Vault. AndI love how they added the the prell
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they gave they gave more context withthe pre worst stuff. Yeah, and
it allowed people to start going.I mean, I didn't play a lot
of Fallout. I didn't play itvery much. I played a little bit
of Fallout four, but I tookand I'm like, I watched the show
and I went, I want toknow more about the vaults the because there
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was well over one hundred vaults allhad different experiments. It was I wanted
to look into the actual vaults andwant to know way what kind of experiments
are there. The show, Agood show based on a video game,
encourages people to take a look atthe video game and say, okay,
and not just at the video games. I can learn more. It says,
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do you want to know more?And it goes yes, not just
the video game, but the actualstory, because I mean you, as
you play through the games, youcan miss a lot of story material.
I mean they hide it in consolesand books and different things like that,
and you can it's easy to misssome of the some of the story material.
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And so for me, I didn'tgo through and try and play every
game. Instead, I wanted togo, well, let me look into
the story and what the actual storywas. The people who've gone through track
down all the material. Yeah,so they could learn that the entire story.
You can learn the entire story,you know. When they talk about
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about the follow Shady Sins and waslike everybody who didn't show the shows like
Shady sins and everybody that knows it'slike the New California Republic or you know,
the New California Republic sucks or whateverside they're on. The show engaged
viewers that did not know the Falloutgames, while still throwing a major bone
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to those that played the Fallout games, because when you watch the follow Out
show, you're like, okay,okay, that's what a goul is.
Well, first of little bit,you're like, what, what the heck's
a ghoul? And then they explainit. You're like, everyone's like,
okay, what exactly are the goalsand how are they made? Well,
followut go in depth into that.They didn't cover the supermutants. You saw
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the New California Republic, and youknow, you get a chuckle out of
normal people that like New California Republicand everyone's like, the New California Republic
is huge. When the Ranger armorshowed up and we're like, are those
Rangers? Yeah, you know,Rangers lead the way. It was major.
You need to A show that's basedon a video game should encourage people
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to say the video game could begood, The story is engaging, the
world is deep. These games,these games have some of the most in
depth world building we have ever seen, and if you wanted to make shows
based off of it, it wouldbe super easy if you respected the source
material because you don't need to gooutside the source material. Yeah, and
not only that, but it's similarto really well done books. I mean
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you look at like Lord of theRings. Lord of the Rings has a
massive universe, So do games pickup a pocket of it? You're like,
oh, I we want to doa we want to do a Elder
Scroll series. Cool, what's goingon in What's going on? And elsewhere?
What's going on in Moral Wind?What's going on here? Any any
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of these games, you can justsay what's going on here and immediately have
a story going Yeah, and youcan even take, okay, what's going
on here, Let's go talk tothe creators and see what they have to
say, what they want us toavoid, what they want us to Maybe
the creators literally hand you your storyon the plate, and it's like,
oh, there's a war going on, Oh there's political strife. Oh we
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can Game of Thrones this, yeah. It. The thing is is video
games have a massive universe similar tolarge book series, and they have the
story. So video games, nolonger are you're going to rescue the princess.
Well maybe Zelda is still that.Even Zelda's more in depth. Oh
yeah, even Zelda is like like, this is an ancient curse following down
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falling down from the royal family,and it's like, okay, that is
interesting. Everything is so in depthand gaming now it's like the stories and
the world building is all there.The hardest part, I feel like the
hardest part of the story making processis the world building. Making sure your
world makes sense and it's engaging foryour readers, for your watchers, for
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your players, and it's all engaging, and it's like, cool, how
do we do that? Well?For the TV shows, they're like,
you have this pre built world.You have this here. If you respect
the story and or bring in bringin somebody who can make decisions, who
respects the story. You have aworld and that hard part over. You
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just need to place something in it, and as long as you don't contradict
it, you're phenomenal. Yeah,I mean I still uh, hey,
look at Themorrow on the Mario movie. Yeah, somehow they came up with
a Mario movie that killed it right. Legitimately, if you play any Mario
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game. It is legitimately we're gonnasave the Princess. I think there is
some more in depth storytelling in Mariothat they don't cover. I don't know
enough about it. So yeah,as far as I know something, there's
a lot of background material that youdon't really see in a lot of the
games, or but there is astory behind it. But still Mario.
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I know the legend of Zelda isgetting a movie, and that one seems
like it would be really interesting,and I really hope it gets done correctly.
I hope it gets done correctly.I'm a little off put because they
are doing it. They are doingit live action, and like I said
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it, I hope they do itcorrectly. Let's talk about the follow up
stuff and why, like okay,versus that you know the follow up stuff,
look, goofy, Jack Black isZelda. I'm down. Jack Black
is Zelda. Thank you amen.But as far as Zelda goes, it
can work. Follow Like you talkabout the goofiness of links outfit, you
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talk about any of the goofiness oranything like that, it's like cool.
His point to ears, well thatthat's just Highlian's and they're kind of el
they're practically elves. Let I'm like, cool, Uh, you can make
it look less goofy, like thefallout the fault. Let's talk like the
vault suit. The vault suit fromthe show. It does not look goofy.
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You know, it's kind of it'sout of place, but it's not
goofy. It's like, okay,what can you what can you do with
links links clothes? Well, one, it's an adventuring gear. So we
based the tunic off of the TwilightPrincess armor. I'm actually pulling that up
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because he really likes the Twilight Princessarmor. Well, the Twilight Princess armor
is practical, more practical than otherarmor because it actually what it is is
it's it's the you have chain underneatha jerkin over it, you've got some
pants, some decent adventuring gear.The cap still is kind of goofy,
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but it's like it's out of place. You could lose the cap and you
wouldn't lose the rest of the arm. But I mean, it's also similar
to the Champion's leather leathers from Tiersof the Kingdom. They it's you've got
the leather straps. They made itlook more functional, and that's all you
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gotta do is make it functional Aileen'sor Elves without the boff. Sorry,
Elvin, I'm laughing about this.We're going off topic way too much.
I actually think we should save thisfor our Zelda stream and are discribably because
we're gonna go way off topic.But those were our thoughts on the Fallout
show. I mean, we're hereand I can't wait for season two because
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season two is confirmed there, seasontwo is confirmed, so I cannot wait
for Fallout season two. It's gonnabe so much. They're doing it right,
is the thing, and that's whatI want to get. That's what
I've been getting at is there's away to do these right. And I
think the modern industry is changing ina way where they're realizing they can do
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it right. They'll make more moneyif they do it right, because and
they'll be able to make more ifthey do it right. Yeah, mainly
because if you do it right,you're not alienating you're not alienating the majority
of the fan base that would bringnew people in and be like, well,
this is Fallout. How did youwatch the You can go watch the
show. It's only eight episodes.Yeah, it's a great show. Go
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watch it, and it follows thestory. And yeah, your fan base
for the games can bring people ininto the show. Yeah, and it's
a self fulfilling loop where your gameplayers bring your new people into the show.
The show. They watch the showif they really like it and they're
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they've been on the on the fenceabout about fallout, then they go play
the games and maybe tell somebody elseto watch the show. Yeah, it
does. They did a really goodjob on this show, honestly, and
I I count I want to continue. I've been looking at the vaults.
I love watching and looking at thevault experiments. I love how Isaiah said
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that the vault suits seem practical.I mean, honestly, they look a
little weird because I mean, yougot blue and yellow. The coloring is
where the material looks fine. There'sthat little thing there. I assume it's
the type of Gegger counter. Itlooks like it serves a purpose. I
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mean they do look compared to likethe Raiders and the different groups. They
look weird. They're out of place, but they also adapt to the area.
So by the end of the show, you have the vault dweller who
was in this vault suit before leather, straps, pouches, guns. You're
like turned it into it, setit up for an adventure for to explore.
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Yeah, it's less you know,we're living in this stuff more Okay,
now now we need it to bemore functional for a different environment.
Oh yeah, that's everything that wehave to talk about this. I mean,
so we're probably we're gonna be loggingoff. Of course, we're gonna
be playing zeld in about twenty minutes. We always start our zeld a live
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Zelda stream on Saturdays at eleven amMDT is our time zone. Yes,
so join us as we continue ourTears of the Kingdom and we'll get that
all set up and we'll be backhere. Of course, if you want
more, you know, bring yourfriends. They can always watch the streams.
That having friends in these streams is, it's fantastic. We'll catch you
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in about twenty minutes onmon we're startingsome uh, we're starting some. We're
gonna start the story. Actually we'regonna be getting We're gonna be doing Tuln's
quest line. Oh cool. Andalso not only that, but we can
also continue our Zelda talk that wewere going on talk Zelda will fit more
in Zelda than it would if we'rewhen talking about Fallout, mainly because we
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like rabbit holes. Yep. Soyeah, I'm your host, Isaiah,
I'm Draggon Master Jake. We're loggingout from now.
We're back this week. Of course, we're here to talk about the new
Fallout show. If you don't knowanything, Amazon recently released the Fallout TV
show. It released on April twelfth. It has sparked an interesting discussion in
the community about video game adaptations andhas caused an interesting stir in the Fallout
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community as a whole. So we'rehere to talk about it. Cover the
show, cover the response to it, and how the games have kind of
responded as well. I'm your host, Isaiah, I'm dragon Master Jake,
and this is locked flute. Yeah. So April twelfth, the Fallout show
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released came out by Amazon Prime.Amazon Prime brought it out on April twelfth.
It was mostly I would call ita mostly faithful adaptation to Fallout,
to the Fallout Seer video games.It was really well done. There,
there's an amazing budget behind it,good acting, fantastic story. But this
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has sparked the discussion about video gameadaptations done right. Oh yeah, I
mean there's been several games. Imean, you look at They've tried to
make several games into TV shows andmovies and a lot of them don't do
well. We're looking at you,Halo. Oh so pretty bad. What
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really came out about this is thatthey are staying faithful to the source material
very much. So they created rulesthat they followed. They went to the
game makers Todd Howard, and said, hey, is there anything you didn't
want us to touch? Is thereanything you don't want us to cover?
Is there anything you don't want usto do? Well, we're making this
show, which was a great wayof setting things up to help with with
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keeping in cannon as well as justmaking it a good movie in general,
because they knew where they could goand what potentially what could help with then
with pretty much advertise the next game. So the rules that they followed and
were told to follow by Todd Howardwere one, you cannot discuss send the
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zero San Francisco, and that makessense that it might be a storyline that's
coming in Fallout four Fallout five.They I think there was something discussion about
not touching Philadelphia either. They alsosaid, you cannot decanonize any of you
cannot decanonize any canon ending yeah,which and they respected that. They very
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much respected that. So when you'regetting into that, when you're getting into
the hey don't do this, don'tdo that, and you're going to the
game makers and saying, Okay,we respect that, we respect the source
material, and they made a faithfuladaptation. More than that, Fallout feels
like the Fallout games. I mean, I love how I love how somebody
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else put was the TV show feelslike you're going over and playing watching your
friend play Fallout. Yep, itfeels like you're watching somebody play the game.
It. They kept a good storylinegoing, They've got good acting,
the characters are well designed. Therewere some There was some There was some
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discussion about the power armor, specificallyone scene. I think it's in the
trailer that we're showing here. There'sa scene where he is kind of flying
in in a suit of power armory. He's got thus and he looks like
he doesn't know what he's doing.And the community when they saw the trailer
were like, we're gonna hate thisbecause we don't We're not sure this is
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gonna be good because he doesn't evenlook like he knows how to use power
armor. And then the show cameout and it was like, you're right,
he doesn't know how to use powerarmor. It was it was a
really good way of showing that Hey, it just similar to the games.
It's some guy jumped in a suitof power armor and figured it out.
It is, like I said,it's really well done. If you haven't
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watched the Fallout Show and haven't reallylike went into it, it's it's worth
it. It's good introduction to theFallout series. There's some parts that everyone's
like, very that confused everybody.You know, there's the fall of Shady
Sands, which is in the Itwas in one of the trailers. It
had the discussion. It does reallywell with cleaning up its storylines, respecting
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the source material, which is superimportant. And we're gonna actually talk about
why you respect that source material andsome of the other shows that have come
out that haven't done it Halo andwhy this We really just want to rant
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about Halo here, don't we.Okay, I've watched I've watched the Halo
Show all the way through so far. My condolences. It was it was
a good show, as in,if you know nothing about Halo whatsoever,
entertainment wise, it was interesting.But as far as when you've played Halo
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and understand the story, it washorrible exactly so. And that's the source
material thing. You know, everybodywants to do their own spin, and
it's like, you can do astory in the world. We're actually gonna
close the trailer here because we don'tneed it at this point. And what
I'm saying is you can, youcan. You can do a story in
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the world, and I think Falloutin some other games show sorry, prove
this. You can do something inthe world that is canon while still respecting
the source material as it is.Oh yeah, and they really showed just
how well you can do it.It was a really amazing show show.
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Not only that, but it gota lot of people when they were going
through the while they were watching theshow, it got them interested in the
Fallout games. I mean there wasa massive spike in a player base across
all Fallout games. Yeah, likethey came out, you know, Fallout
four had like three hundred thousand concurrentplayers I think, and then five million
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concurrent players across all Fallout games whenthis show came out. It was just
an amazing way that they brought thecommunity back in and they really the company
really did well on furthering it withthem releasing a the Next Gen update for
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Fallout four. They really capitalized onthe publicity from from Fallout. Yeah,
and they came out with that.We'll be talking about the new Fallout update
a little bit later, but thefact that the show did so well,
We're going back to what I wasoriginally talking about here, in that you
can do a something based in theworld, you can keep it canon without
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without I would say, desecrating,but contradicting the canon. So if you
know, when, like I said, they went to the Todd Howard and
said, Okay, what don't youwant us touch? What don't you want
us to do? Then they said, okay, you cannot decanonize anything.
They're like, cool, so wehave free rein Shady Sands. That was
all them. There was the pridWind, which fascinatingly a little bit of
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a lore thing here. The pridthey even accidentally decanonized to Fallout four endings
and I know there's no Cannon endingfor Fallout four yet. Yeah. And
they could have discussed it with withthe oh I can't remember his name,
Bethesda. Yeah, they could havediscussed it with Bethesda about uh, just
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the fact that hey, which becauseFallout four has so many has four or
five endings, and they could havejust said, hey, which endings are
we allowed to decanonize because you knowyou're not gonna go down that ye.
So it could have been that theywent to Bethesda and said, hey,
we want this in there. Whatis the canon ending for Fallout four so
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that we know when we're building ourshow that we can do this. So
because the show is canon and itand it didn't they didn't fully decanonize and
specifically pick a specific ending for Falloutfour because all it I think me and
my brother had this discussion earlier todayabout it decanonized I think two endings.
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Yeah, it decanonized. So theexistence of the prid Win the ship has
been confirmed by by people who havegone frame by frame through the scenes with
it zooming in heavily and finding hey, that's the prid Win. It says
prid Win on it that it immediatelydecanonizes the Institute ending and the Railroad ending
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for Fallout four, which because inboth those endings you destroy the Brotherhood of
Steel. And like I said,they could have gone to him and said,
hey, are you looking at keepingthe Brotherhood of Steel for Fallout five?
And if Bethesda said yes, thenokay, you know for a fact
that the prid Win was not destroyedspecifically, are you planning on keeping the
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the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhoodof Steel, Yeah, the Capital chapter
because you can keep the West Coastchapter. They're just slowly dying off.
But yeah, when they went through, and it's like, cool that decanonizes
two, And of course the fanbase was like, as soon as that
things shut up, is that theprid Win is my ending no longer canon?
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And of course sometimes it wasn't.At some point it's like, oh
yeah, sorry, man, theInstitute can't win the Commonwealth. You need
Nuka Cola for that. The Institutecan't win the Commonwealth. Sorry. The
Railroad doesn't win the Commonwealth either theMinute Men win or the Brotherhood win.
So at least when you got aplayer Fallout four, Hey, we talked
about a theory on the Raiders personalcanon I would like to have. I
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would like to have the the thecanon ending for for Fallout four be that
the Minutemen one defeated the Institute andthen the Soul Survivor sided with the Raiders
and invaded the Commonwealth. Personally,I would love that to be canon.
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I don't think it ever would becreate an interesting story with the Soul Survivor.
But overall, like and it justhasn't just brought up like Fallout four
coming back. They were smart anddefinitely capitalized on Fallout Fallout Show's release by
giving us Fallout for, but theydid not they were not like, they
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did not immediately go, hey,you know what we're gonna do. We're
going to release a new game oranything. It hasn't just brought up the
discussion about Fallout for because the otherfollow up games have been brought into discussion.
People have gone back to play Falloutthree. Followup three is widely regarded
to be a masterpiece. Oh yeah, and uh they even people have even
gone to fall Out seventy six,which that one was a rough game when
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they released it. It was,But the fact that people have gone back
to play it still shows just howhow much impact this show had. Yeah,
it shows how much impact this showhad. It shows how much how
much change has happened. Not tomention there's a discussion about what kind of
Fallout player are you? What kindof Fallout player are you? If you
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don't know what kind of follow upplayer you are, well, we have
a discussion to make because in myopinion, they're out of the Fallout players
are You've got three types of Falloutplayers. You've got the New Vegas player.
Where's my camera? You've got theNew Vegas player. They only play
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New Vegas. They think New Vegasis the best one. They hate the
inferiority of Fallout four in some ofthe other games. You have the Fallout
player, which is the ones thatplay seventy six, four and three,
you know, the Bethesda Fallout player. And then you have the tactical,
not tactical, but old school Falloutplayer, the ones that play fall Out
one and two, the ones thatplayed the old school kind of tactical RPG
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kind of thing. Yeah. Imean, I've seen gameplay of Fallout one
in two moreover the Fallout games.This whole Fallout discussion has come up.
Personally, I'm a Fallout four player. I love Fallout four. I tried
to play New Vegas. Going backto New Vegas in twenty twenty four without
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mods and on like a console isimpossible. Of course, Fallout seventy six
almonds and chat here and he hejust mentioned, you know, hey,
it it never fell off the shelves. His exact thing is Fallout seventy six
never fell out of the shelves.Nobody bought Fallout seventy six. I think
it's on game Pass, Yeah,and their expansions are in game pass.
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No one played seventy six because seventysix was a busted mess. Yeah,
I mean it was legitimately to thepoint where at this point, unless you
mod it, you can barely evenopen the game. Well, you can't
really mod seventy six because it's anonline only game, and that's just it.
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At least with Fallout, Fallout three, Fallout New Vegas, and Fallout
four, you can mod the gameto all hell and go full sky or
mod it till it breaks. Yeah, well you actually want to play the
game, so you mod it tilit breaks, then you uninstall the last
modul' insalled it works. But that'sthe thing. You got to do,
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that kind of thing to keep thegame going. And they've definitely capitalized on
this. We're going to actually talkabout the the new stuff that came to
fall Out for because they didn't justgive us the next gen update. They
they moved content similar to what theydid for the UH for the Skyrim Anniversary
Edition. That's that's you, mybad that's my phone buzzing. The Sorry
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my I don't know why my phonewas buzzing. They where was I added
stuff? They didn't just kind oflike what they did for the Skyrim Anniversary
Edition Bethays, the added content fromthe Creation Club into the main game.
Yeah, and that's what they didhere with the new Fallout four uh that
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they released for the next gen consoles. They they brought it to four K,
They've added a performance mode, They'veadded a lot of side quests and
stuff to the game. They addedan Enclave storyline. So they didn't just
go like, you can not playit in four K, it's next gen
up grade. No, they went, let's actually put some content in there.
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Let's make it an upgrade. Let'ssee for the players that are coming
back, let's give them something new, which is very important when you're when
you're trying to get people back intoyour games, because now they can go
well, as soon as the showreleased, I want to know their sales.
I want to know their sales,Spike. Honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if when they released season two, if shortly after they release Fallout five,
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mainly because I mean they would continuethem keeping that ball rolling. That's
true, they keeping that ball rolling. Honestly, I firmly believe that fallow
has its own problems, especially withFallout four. They had a huge mistake
when they were releasing this, sothey did not And we want to discuss
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some of the controversy that's going onright now in the fall up community.
Other than the outright hostility towards newFallout players, New Vegas players are pretty
elitist about the whole thing. I'vebeen seeing memes all over online right now
about like Fallout Fallout New Vegas versusFallout four. It's like, no,
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No, Fallout New Vegas players arevery elitist. They very much think their
game is the best one. Honestly, I do believe it has the best
story of them all. But youreally want to tell me that the gameplay
of Fallout New Vegas is better thanthe gameplay of Fallout, So Fallout four
probably not. I mean, likeyou're saying, the story is really really
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good, but I mean just howsmooth the gameplay is, and Fallout four
it almost feels how my brothers alwaysdescribed it is. Fallout four is Skyrim
with guns, fall for Skyrim withguns. Uh, and and that's a
very like adaptable way to play.It means they were intending for a very
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very intentional gameplay loop, which isthe Skyrim gameplay loop of go into an
area, eliminate the enemies, getthe treasure. It's played less as a
full on RPG. Now back tothe little bit of the controversy. Other
than you know, the the otherthan you know, the Fallout Fallout New
Vegas players being hostile towards everyone elsethat that's pretty normal, and the Fallout
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one and two players being back.They're going like, we exist, we
started this, we played the firstfew games, and I'm like, there's
not I got nothing against them.They they do well. I think the
games are just before my time,and it's before a lot of our time.
You know, I grew up onSkyrim. I grew up on Fallout,
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so not Fallout. I didn't playFallout until I was an adult,
but I grew up on Skyrim,so I knew the gate when I saw
the Fallout game plan, like,it's Skyrim with guns, Well, let's
get some guns. And what's evenbetter is the fact that now you can
actually mod Skyrim to have guns.But that's the thing. The other bit
is they did not warn their moddingcommunity about the next gen update, so
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there's no mods. The mod supportis in the gutter right now because every
mod broke when this upgraded updated.Do you know it's even worse. There
was a massive project going on inFallout four for a major mod called Fallout
London. Well, that's just itas far as the modern community. Yes,
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it throws a wrench in the plants, but the modern community always will
come out with something eventually. Imean it may take a little bit longer,
but they will then. But letme let me talk about Fallout London
real quick, because Fallout London waslike essentially a complete area, changes moves,
Fallout into London, new new textures, knew everything, It's essentially a
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new game, new stories, newNPC's everything. They essentially made a new
game in the Fallout four engine,and then three days after its release,
unceremoniously they dropped the next gen upgrade. Ooh, so there's probably still gonna
be a lot of people that aregonna play it on the old Yeah.
Plus they promised us the next genup upgrade like two or three years ago.
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Yeah, I mean they promised ittwo or three years ago. But
they also having the show. Theydid a really good job with the release
of the next Gen update. It'slate, but their timing was really well
done. It was well done.It had its own issues. You know,
they could have given the community somewarning. What was it that they
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Bethesda did with the Skyrim Anniversary Edition, Because before they released the Anniversary Edition
or one of the big updates,they went to the modern community and were
like, hey, what's gonna Hey, by the way, this is coming
out. Here's the changes that arebeing made. I don't know if they
handed them like an advanced advanced copyor something to let them get ahead start,
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but they gave their community a headstart on their modding, being like,
yeah, we're about to change this. We know we're about to screw
your entire mod but don't worry.We'll give you a head start to get
it fixed. Fallout just didn't havethat, the fact that they just unceremoniously
released it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, they should have let the
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modern community know. But that alsodepends on whether or not they wanted people
to continue to mod the game.Because they're adding so much, they may
have wanted that time for people toplay all the new content before they start
modeling it. And that could beand but I don't respect that as a
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decision because it's a Bethesda game.Bethesda games are held up by their modern
community, and they're bugs, andthey're bugs. So we we discussed it
briefly before, but we we we'regonna change topics real quick. And I
want to get onto like like howthe Fallout Show got it right and why
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other companies get it wrong. Wewant to get angry. We're gonna talk
about Halo. Yeah, that waslike I said, I don't know if
you've watched season two. I haven't. No, I don't. I didn't
even watch season one. I heardthe stuff about them, and I shied
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away from the Halo Show. Sofollow some Fallout show came out out earlier
this year. There was the seasontwo of the Halo TV show. One
the Halo TV Show. God,it's a It is an example of why
you should never let people that donot respect the source material get a hold
of a get a hold of aproperty. Oh yeah, I mean Halo
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could have been done really well,and how they did it was horrible.
They didn't really follow Halo's story.What's whatsoever. I mean, well,
they did worse than that. Theybutchered the canon. Oh yeah. And
then they come out and go,oh, this isn't based in the Halo
in the video game universe. Thisis its own universe. And it's like,
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then, what the what's the pointand Plane in releasing the show?
It's not canon, It's not worthit. Your story is not better if
you're gonna, if you're gonna completelyrewrite the canon to something, you need
to make it better. And Ihave an example of this. Let's talk
Castlevania. Castlevania. Jake hasn't seenCastlevania. I haven't. Castlevania is an
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adaptation of the Castlevania games. Itdoes not follow the Castlevania story. It
follows its own complete story with Draculaand all of that. But it is
done so well. The action scenesare on point, the characters are on
point, the story is fun.It's good. I argue that the story
is better than some of the Castlevaniagames. If you are going to rewrite
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canon and you are going to makeit your own thing, your product has
to be better than the original.And Halo did not do that. No,
like you said, they butchered thatstory and it was Halo had a
really good story, especially when itcame to the first Halo ring discovered.
(23:49):
It was a phenomenal story on howthey set it up. Well, it's
iconic and like Reach, I knowthat they did the Fall of Reach in
Halo for I mean in low seasontwo, which means they are literally going
into They're not just going into likeevents before the Games. I'd understand if
(24:10):
they wanted to do the events beforethe games. You know, the original
Spartans design and attacking. You know, okay, this is what the Spartans
were designed for, quelling human rebellion. Then the Covenant showed up. Maybe
there's early days of the Covenant War. I can understand that. But when
you do the Fall of Reach,the one of the most iconic moments in
(24:33):
all of Halo, the Fall ofReach. We have Noble six, we
have the Spartans doing the Spartan things. We have the difference between Spartan threes
and Spartan Two's. Yeah, youhave all of I mean all of Noble
Team in general. They as faras the TV show, they weren't there.
It's it's terrible and that's the thing. This is like they they stated
(24:59):
they don't respect the source. Yeah, and it's so stupid that. I
mean, how this story was writtenwas phenomenal. Halo's story, especially when
it came to the fall of Reachand you had Noble Team and you go
through it was amazing on how theydid it. They they didn't focus everything
(25:19):
on a single person. Well,and that's the thing they Reach was an
entirely different game to the other ones. The other ones were actions. This
one was a tragedy. Yeah,Halo Reach was a tragedy. And going
back to like Halo and Fallout,the kind of why why we're bringing up
(25:40):
Halo in this discussion is because Halo, the Halo team was a team that
not only did not respect the sourcematerial, but actively hated the source material.
They've stated they don't play the they'venever played the Halo games, they
don't intend to play the Halo games. They they don't care. They're like,
yeah, no, had we wantedto make our own sci fi story,
(26:03):
then make your own sci fi story. You don't need to put slap
Halo on it and call it Halo. Right. It's almost like Assassin's Creed
where they just start slapping Assassin's Creedon whatever they come out with yeah,
and it's like gaming's doing the samething with like as people have lost the
originals, the new stuff, they'reslapping the names on it and doesn't work.
(26:26):
Ubisoft is a great example. Youbrought up Assassin's Creed. You know,
Assassin's Creed. Valhalla should not havebeen an Assassin's Creed. I mean
it. There's a lot of gamesthat they that they there's a lot of
games that are doing that where theycome out with a game and they slap
a famous a title on it,a famous title on it, and say
(26:48):
it's gonna make us money, andit's like, at this point, it's
just a cash grab and I'm notgonna play. They're doing is degrading the
original. So like back to Halo, back to Fallout, Fallout respects of
source material. The people of Outrightsaid they played the Fallout games, they
love the Fallout I think it wasthe creators. Like I played all of
the Fallout games. I grew upplaying Fallout three, and it's like,
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great, you love the games.That should be a prerequisite to making Fallout
games. The Fallout show is Ilike the games, I like the source
material. It is worth it.There's this stigma in Hollywood that the source
material for that video games are thislesser medium. It's like, no,
they're telling better stories than you guys. Now heck you look at it.
(27:33):
Uh, the as far as TVand entertainment in general, video games are
passing movies completely. I mean,we're you're seeing, like he was,
saying, better stories and then inthe games a lot less political stuff in
(27:55):
the games. I mean a lotof people have gotten tired of that with
shows. But yeah, but we'renot. We're not here for the political
discs. And that's where it's You'reyou're wanting to move toward. You're starting
to go, well, let's startmaking games because they're these games are doing
really well. And then you butchertheir story and you go, well,
(28:15):
the game did well, why didour story not. Yeah, you have
a game like RDR two, likeAllman brings up in chat, the most
amazing story you could not you couldif somebody brought to you RDR two as
a film or Red Dead Redemption asa whole, would make a fantastic film.
What I feel like is some ofthese games, you know they the
(28:37):
writers were in I bet they werein Hollywood. I'd love to I need
to do some research, and Iwould love to take a look and see,
Okay, how many of these writersbefore they went into video games worked
in Hollywood. And then we're eitherdriven out or left realizing I can't tell
the story I want to tell.Yeah, the people who made Halo,
they wanted to they wanted a scifi war series. Cool, make your
(29:02):
sci fi wor series. Don't callit Halo if you're gonna butcher the source
material. And I can understand ifyou like, if you make some continuity
errors. Yeah, if you makecontinuity errors and the source material is like,
you're like, okay, yeah,you can reckon that and say,
I know we made a mistake,or you know, hey, this is
(29:23):
a separate world. This seth continuityworks here. But it were still staying
mostly faithful. The where I gotlost in Halo was when that human was
brought into the Covenant. Yeah,never should have happened. What I mean,
the Prophet's legitimately just throughout the Halostory, the profits sat there and
(29:44):
condemned humanity as heretics and as uh, they're mere deceis. Distance was a
threat to the Covenant, their mereexistence. So as soon as somebody was
brought into the Covenant. I'm like, you don't understand the Covenant, Yeah,
because the Covenant, the Covenant wouldhave executed that child before anything.
Yeah, and never saved them inthe first place. The back to followup,
(30:10):
but yeah, you you make yourshow, and when you respect the
source material, you can do yourown thing. And it's like, no,
you have this fantastic world. Ifyou respect and read into the Lord.
You're like, no, there's somethingdeep here that we can play off
of and follow it. They're like, cool, we have the Vault dwellers.
They're fantastic. They're your every manand there you have these comedic moments
(30:32):
where you're like, this person doesn'tunderstand how this apocalyptic world works. And
not only that, but when youdo it right like this, where like
the follow ut TV show did,where you go through you show them these
are this is the Vault. AndI love how they added the the prell
(30:52):
they gave they gave more context withthe pre worst stuff. Yeah, and
it allowed people to start going.I mean, I didn't play a lot
of Fallout. I didn't play itvery much. I played a little bit
of Fallout four, but I tookand I'm like, I watched the show
and I went, I want toknow more about the vaults the because there
(31:14):
was well over one hundred vaults allhad different experiments. It was I wanted
to look into the actual vaults andwant to know way what kind of experiments
are there. The show, Agood show based on a video game,
encourages people to take a look atthe video game and say, okay,
and not just at the video games. I can learn more. It says,
(31:37):
do you want to know more?And it goes yes, not just
the video game, but the actualstory, because I mean you, as
you play through the games, youcan miss a lot of story material.
I mean they hide it in consolesand books and different things like that,
and you can it's easy to misssome of the some of the story material.
(32:00):
And so for me, I didn'tgo through and try and play every
game. Instead, I wanted togo, well, let me look into
the story and what the actual storywas. The people who've gone through track
down all the material. Yeah,so they could learn that the entire story.
You can learn the entire story,you know. When they talk about
(32:21):
about the follow Shady Sins and waslike everybody who didn't show the shows like
Shady sins and everybody that knows it'slike the New California Republic or you know,
the New California Republic sucks or whateverside they're on. The show engaged
viewers that did not know the Falloutgames, while still throwing a major bone
(32:43):
to those that played the Fallout games, because when you watch the follow Out
show, you're like, okay,okay, that's what a goul is.
Well, first of little bit,you're like, what, what the heck's
a ghoul? And then they explainit. You're like, everyone's like,
okay, what exactly are the goalsand how are they made? Well,
followut go in depth into that.They didn't cover the supermutants. You saw
(33:04):
the New California Republic, and youknow, you get a chuckle out of
normal people that like New California Republicand everyone's like, the New California Republic
is huge. When the Ranger armorshowed up and we're like, are those
Rangers? Yeah, you know,Rangers lead the way. It was major.
You need to A show that's basedon a video game should encourage people
(33:27):
to say the video game could begood, The story is engaging, the
world is deep. These games,these games have some of the most in
depth world building we have ever seen, and if you wanted to make shows
based off of it, it wouldbe super easy if you respected the source
material because you don't need to gooutside the source material. Yeah, and
not only that, but it's similarto really well done books. I mean
(33:51):
you look at like Lord of theRings. Lord of the Rings has a
massive universe, So do games pickup a pocket of it? You're like,
oh, I we want to doa we want to do a Elder
Scroll series. Cool, what's goingon in What's going on? And elsewhere?
What's going on in Moral Wind?What's going on here? Any any
(34:12):
of these games, you can justsay what's going on here and immediately have
a story going Yeah, and youcan even take, okay, what's going
on here, Let's go talk tothe creators and see what they have to
say, what they want us toavoid, what they want us to Maybe
the creators literally hand you your storyon the plate, and it's like,
oh, there's a war going on, Oh there's political strife. Oh we
(34:35):
can Game of Thrones this, yeah. It. The thing is is video
games have a massive universe similar tolarge book series, and they have the
story. So video games, nolonger are you're going to rescue the princess.
Well maybe Zelda is still that.Even Zelda's more in depth. Oh
yeah, even Zelda is like like, this is an ancient curse following down
(35:00):
falling down from the royal family,and it's like, okay, that is
interesting. Everything is so in depthand gaming now it's like the stories and
the world building is all there.The hardest part, I feel like the
hardest part of the story making processis the world building. Making sure your
world makes sense and it's engaging foryour readers, for your watchers, for
(35:22):
your players, and it's all engaging, and it's like, cool, how
do we do that? Well?For the TV shows, they're like,
you have this pre built world.You have this here. If you respect
the story and or bring in bringin somebody who can make decisions, who
respects the story. You have aworld and that hard part over. You
(35:43):
just need to place something in it, and as long as you don't contradict
it, you're phenomenal. Yeah,I mean I still uh, hey,
look at Themorrow on the Mario movie. Yeah, somehow they came up with
a Mario movie that killed it right. Legitimately, if you play any Mario
(36:07):
game. It is legitimately we're gonnasave the Princess. I think there is
some more in depth storytelling in Mariothat they don't cover. I don't know
enough about it. So yeah,as far as I know something, there's
a lot of background material that youdon't really see in a lot of the
games, or but there is astory behind it. But still Mario.
(36:30):
I know the legend of Zelda isgetting a movie, and that one seems
like it would be really interesting,and I really hope it gets done correctly.
I hope it gets done correctly.I'm a little off put because they
are doing it. They are doingit live action, and like I said
(36:51):
it, I hope they do itcorrectly. Let's talk about the follow up
stuff and why, like okay,versus that you know the follow up stuff,
look, goofy, Jack Black isZelda. I'm down. Jack Black
is Zelda. Thank you amen.But as far as Zelda goes, it
can work. Follow Like you talkabout the goofiness of links outfit, you
(37:15):
talk about any of the goofiness oranything like that, it's like cool.
His point to ears, well thatthat's just Highlian's and they're kind of el
they're practically elves. Let I'm like, cool, Uh, you can make
it look less goofy, like thefallout the fault. Let's talk like the
vault suit. The vault suit fromthe show. It does not look goofy.
(37:38):
You know, it's kind of it'sout of place, but it's not
goofy. It's like, okay,what can you what can you do with
links links clothes? Well, one, it's an adventuring gear. So we
based the tunic off of the TwilightPrincess armor. I'm actually pulling that up
(37:59):
because he really likes the Twilight Princessarmor. Well, the Twilight Princess armor
is practical, more practical than otherarmor because it actually what it is is
it's it's the you have chain underneatha jerkin over it, you've got some
pants, some decent adventuring gear.The cap still is kind of goofy,
(38:22):
but it's like it's out of place. You could lose the cap and you
wouldn't lose the rest of the arm. But I mean, it's also similar
to the Champion's leather leathers from Tiersof the Kingdom. They it's you've got
the leather straps. They made itlook more functional, and that's all you
(38:44):
gotta do is make it functional Aileen'sor Elves without the boff. Sorry,
Elvin, I'm laughing about this.We're going off topic way too much.
I actually think we should save thisfor our Zelda stream and are discribably because
we're gonna go way off topic.But those were our thoughts on the Fallout
show. I mean, we're hereand I can't wait for season two because
(39:07):
season two is confirmed there, seasontwo is confirmed, so I cannot wait
for Fallout season two. It's gonnabe so much. They're doing it right,
is the thing, and that's whatI want to get. That's what
I've been getting at is there's away to do these right. And I
think the modern industry is changing ina way where they're realizing they can do
(39:28):
it right. They'll make more moneyif they do it right, because and
they'll be able to make more ifthey do it right. Yeah, mainly
because if you do it right,you're not alienating you're not alienating the majority
of the fan base that would bringnew people in and be like, well,
this is Fallout. How did youwatch the You can go watch the
show. It's only eight episodes.Yeah, it's a great show. Go
(39:51):
watch it, and it follows thestory. And yeah, your fan base
for the games can bring people ininto the show. Yeah, and it's
a self fulfilling loop where your gameplayers bring your new people into the show.
The show. They watch the showif they really like it and they're
(40:13):
they've been on the on the fenceabout about fallout, then they go play
the games and maybe tell somebody elseto watch the show. Yeah, it
does. They did a really goodjob on this show, honestly, and
I I count I want to continue. I've been looking at the vaults.
I love watching and looking at thevault experiments. I love how Isaiah said
(40:37):
that the vault suits seem practical.I mean, honestly, they look a
little weird because I mean, yougot blue and yellow. The coloring is
where the material looks fine. There'sthat little thing there. I assume it's
the type of Gegger counter. Itlooks like it serves a purpose. I
(40:58):
mean they do look compared to likethe Raiders and the different groups. They
look weird. They're out of place, but they also adapt to the area.
So by the end of the show, you have the vault dweller who
was in this vault suit before leather, straps, pouches, guns. You're
like turned it into it, setit up for an adventure for to explore.
(41:22):
Yeah, it's less you know,we're living in this stuff more Okay,
now now we need it to bemore functional for a different environment.
Oh yeah, that's everything that wehave to talk about this. I mean,
so we're probably we're gonna be loggingoff. Of course, we're gonna
be playing zeld in about twenty minutes. We always start our zeld a live
(41:45):
Zelda stream on Saturdays at eleven amMDT is our time zone. Yes,
so join us as we continue ourTears of the Kingdom and we'll get that
all set up and we'll be backhere. Of course, if you want
more, you know, bring yourfriends. They can always watch the streams.
That having friends in these streams is, it's fantastic. We'll catch you
(42:07):
in about twenty minutes onmon we're startingsome uh, we're starting some. We're
gonna start the story. Actually we'regonna be getting We're gonna be doing Tuln's
quest line. Oh cool. Andalso not only that, but we can
also continue our Zelda talk that wewere going on talk Zelda will fit more
in Zelda than it would if we'rewhen talking about Fallout, mainly because we
(42:30):
like rabbit holes. Yep. Soyeah, I'm your host, Isaiah,
I'm Draggon Master Jake. We're loggingout from now.
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