S03E22 - Mary Rodwell // The New Human

This week's episode of Lost Origins features all things extraterrestrials and altered reality. This week Andrew and CK link up with Mary Rodwell and the conversation does not disappoint.

Mary Rodwell is recognized internationally as one of Australia’s leading researchers and writers in the UFO and contact phenomenon areas. Mary is the author of the highly acclaimed book ‘Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life’; and producer of EBE award winning documentaries:- Expressions of ET Contact: A Visual Blueprint, and Expressions of ET Contact: A Communication and Healing Blueprint. Her new book ‘The New Human’ which describes and documents star children was released in late 2016.

Mary is the Founder and Principal of Australian Close Encounter Resource Network (ACERN) which was established in 1997 to provide professional counseling, support, hypnotherapy and information to individuals and their families with ‘anomalous’ paranormal experiences and abduction-­‐contact experiences. Mary is also Director and Chair of the Experiencer Support Programs of Dr Edgar Mitchell: Foundation for Research into Extra-­‐terrestrial Encounters; and an advisory Committee member of Exopolitics. Mary also organized the inaugural 'Hidden Truths' international conference held in Perth, Western Australia in 2003.

Mary has researched more than 3000 cases and suggests extraterrestrial encounters are a global phenomenon and this is evident in the new humans referred to as star children. Mary affirms that star children exhibit a maturity and wisdom beyond their years and have an awareness and connection to spiritual realms. ‘Indigo’s’ or ‘crystal’ children as they are also known have telepathic abilities, are spiritually awakened, and can describe many species of non-­‐human visitors with a feeling that they are as real to them as their ‘real’ family because they feel supported by them.

Episode Transcript

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joke. Today we are welcoming MaryBroadwell to the show for the first time,
really really excited to do so.The conversation that we were able to

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have with Mary was one hell ofa ride and one definitely a mind bender.
Mary has recognized internationally as one ofAustralia's leading researchers and writers in the
UFO and contact phenomenon areas. She'salso the author of the highly acclaimed book
Awakening, How Extraterrestrial Contact can transformyour life, and she's the producer of

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EBE Award winning documentary. Those includeExpressions of ET Contact a Visual Blueprint and
Expressions of ET Contact a Communication andHealing Blueprint. Her latest book, The
New Human, which describes and documentsfor Our Children, was released in twenty
sixteen. That was met with highacclaim and so today we are really really

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excited to jump in and just pickher brain on what this New Human concept
is. We're going to be lookingat human DNA, reality, dysfunction,
and so much more. So Joyand c K and I for a conversation
with Mary Rodwell. Hello, MaryRodwell, how are you doing. Hello,

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lovely to speak with you. No, we really appreciate it. Thank
you for making time for us today. And you are calling into the show
all the way from Australia, whichis really cool. We appreciate that.
And there's a time of difference there. Thank you for hanging with us.
It's a pleasure. And so Mary, you know, we know you are
really multifaceted professional. You're a professionalcounsel or a clinical hypnotherapist. You're a

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former nurse and a midwife. You'vebrought life into the world and most recently
you wrote a new book, TheNew Human Awakening to our Cosmic Heritage.
But for those who aren't, youknow, familiar with your work, who
haven't been to your website, canyou give us an overview of kind of
your your professional career, you know, how you got interested into all the
things that you're interested in, andhow you got to this moment. Well,

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in a pricy as you said,I was a nurse and a midwife,
and you would have probably a lotof your audience will probably wonder how
on earth a nurse and a midwife, you know, thirty or forty years
ago ends up traveling the world talkingabout alien And you know, forty years
ago, if you told me thatthat was my future, I have probably

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sent to the nearest psychiatrist. Soa loss has happened, and it was
a process really going from you know, the conventional healing in the medical profession
to counseling. And the great thingwith counseling is you get to hear all
sorts of human experience, you know, and I did that for you know,

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I have done that ever since alongwith everything else and grief and bereavement.
People facing their mortality, they startto tell you about unusual experiences when
they open up, because if you'reworking with someone who's facing their mortality,
for example, they want to knowis the life after death? You know,
others that have lost someone close tothem say, you know what,

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I've often wondered if if months aroundafter after she died because I had a
feeling he was or I sensed heraround, or I you know, I
feel she talks to me, orthese kinds of things. So I suppose
what I'm saying is I slowly openedmy understanding of reality to put it into
me. And you know, I'vebeen an avid worm most of my life.

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If it was a subject that wasweird and wonderful, I usually had
a book on it because I foundthe mystery of being on this planet,
what we're here for? What's itall about? As many of you,
and this particular podcast is all aboutlooking at beyond what you're being taught or
educated to believe about ourselves. Andwe know that it's an edited version.

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You will know. I know that. And the fact was that when you
get to the point of are wealone? What was fascinating for me.
I'd never really looked at that untila gentleman walked through the door. He
was middle aged, very articulate andintelligent, and he said to me,
Mary, there are support groups foreverything, but this, for this,

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they just think you're a looney,and proceeded to tell me about his family's
experiences. His partner was having experiences. He was waking up with marks on
his body, shaved areas on hislegs, his children were having experiences.
The relatives wouldn't even come to thehouse because they thought it was demons.
And he said, can you help? And fortunately, like the synchronicities in

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our lives, I'd read two booksonly a few weeks prior to this,
and one of them was by doctorJohn Mack, a former head of psychiatric
at Harvard University Riding, and hewrote the book initially as a skeptic,
and he was exploring people with theseexperiences, and he died all the psychological

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testing and came to the conclusion inhis book Abduction human encounters with aliens,
and he believed them. And healso wrote Passport to the Cosmos. Also,
I'd read Communion Whitley Strieber's book,The Classic about his own experiences as
an author, and fortunately, havingread those, I was a little bit

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more prepared to look into this,and you know, and think to myself,
okay, if this is a reality, and I certainly didn't know for
sure. These people, whatever thisis about, they need help, and
that's my job. I'm a counselor. I'm there to help people work through
whatever the experiences, whether it's physicalor non physical. But of course that

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was really the start, and threeand a half thousand people later, families,
children. I've got a huge amountof data now about a whole range
of ways that people interact with thesenon human intelligences. And there is no
doubt in my mind it's right acrossthe planet. I'm emailed from all over

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the globe with people that are tellme about their own experiences, about their
children's experiences, and desperate to getinformation, help at least someone to listen
to them, more than anything else. And you know, if you like
my life and why I wrote TheNew Human and also Awakening the book prior

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to that, because as a therapist, I wanted to be able to offer
information that would help people work thingsout for themselves. Wow, awesome,
I love it. Yeah, I'mso so glad that you went from what
you were doing before to providing somany important moments for people who otherwise didn't
have a place to turn for sure, for sure, and three and a

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half thousand people, I mean,that's you know, that's considerable. That's
not a small number by any means. So let's talk real quick, Mary
about your recent book for the restof the episode. So your your latest
book, The New Human I believethat came out in twenty sixteen. That
explores some fascinating encounter experiences like youhad talked about, but it also pokes

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at human DNA, reality, dysfunction, and so many more talking points that
we're gonna we're gonna rip into today. Let's set the stage though, if
you could just hit us with anoverview of the book, I think that
would be super helpful for our listenersso they know what to expect when they
grab a copy of it. Absolutely, and I really put my profession on

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the line with this. What I'vediscovered anything else that there seems to be
a huge program or a in termsof what's happened for Vanity and that for
me. I wrote this book becauseeveryone wanted to know what was going on,

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why thanks having experiences, what wasit all about? And that's what
I wanted to know is if thousandsof people, maybe even millions, and
I believe that's probably the case,having these experiences, what does it mean?
What does it say about us?And why are these intelligence is interested
in us? And the one thingI noticed, well, there were several

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patterns that were significant. One ofthem was the intergenerational link between people in
the family that had experiences. Idiscovered often it was either their parents and
their grandparents, etc. That hadhad something going on, and from that
even the children and of course thegrandchildren. So it was intergenerational, which
was fascinating because they were working withcertain genetic lines. So what did that

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mean for example? And the otherthing was that I found quite significant is
each generation appeared to be that littlebit more aware. There's a little bit
more conscious of their multidimensional nature.In other words, more psychic if you
want. You know, that's avery you know, a word everybody understands,

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But by psychic, I mean moreintuitive, able to see things that
the rest of us don't see soeasily, because we only see one percent
of visual spectrum for a start,Whereas these individuals over the generations seem to
be able to see energy fields,able to see spirits, able to see
orbs of light. I'm able tosee field things that we know, the

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hologram tapping into consciousness or the hoo. You know, it's pretty crazy too
that. I mean, we've hadseveral conversations with different folks exploring extraterrestrial phenomena
and uh, you know, abductionexperiences, all things in that space,
and every one of those conversations doeseventually poke at the intergenerational component of it.

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I've found that to be super fascinating, and I feel like maybe it's
we finally have enough data to actuallycompare multiple experiences and instances of this happening
throughout the globe to actually see thatwhoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on,
there is a common denominator here,there are patterns, and so I
think it's I agree, it's veryvery fascinating. Um, it's very interesting
that that the intergenerational piece is,you know, frequently from a scientific perspective,

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just makes a lot of sense,right for sure. I mean,
you know, these experiences in general, if they're exactly the way that people
are describing, and people are selected, you know, for some sort of
experimentation. Um, you know,just like we prescreen genetics for our own
human experiments. I don't see whyany other intelligence wouldn't follow suit was saying,
Hey, these specific markers are interestedin, right, And I think

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specifically that leads into you know,one of the really interesting aspects of some
of what we discuss with people overtime is you know that people have these
believable, unbelievable, extraordinary, incredible. You know, people throw out so
many of these words. And oneof the cool things about you know,
what you're working on here is thatyou really start with the conception that these

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are true experiences. And you know, one of the the on your book
specifically, it talks about how ourcosmic heritage explores the diversity of encounter experiences
with non human intelligences. These aretrue accounts from families and children, many
of whom have full conscious recall ofpast lives, being educated on spacecraft and
have been prepared for their Earth missionspecific quest. So I think one of

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the cooler things that people really wantto hear too is just trying to understand
some of these accounts. So,could you break down a couple of these
experiences for our audience? Yeah,Well, the most important thing first is
to say that I've been working withan organization called the Doctor edgar Mitchell Foundation

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for Research into Extra Trusting Disordering Experienceand we did a survey six hundred questions,
four thousand, two hundred individuals rightacross the globe, and it was
orchestrated by a professor of psychology,doctor John Klimo, and a neuroscientist,
doctor Bob David. And what wediscovered, and this is the significant part

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of this because as you're saying experiencesthat, you know, how do you
believe them if they're out of ourthree D understanding? And what we discovered,
excuse me, was very profound.We discovered that twenty five percent of
this was physical, seventy five percentwas non physical. In other words,

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many of those individuals having experiences werehaving them out of body, not with
their physical body. So that's thefirst thing, and that was why it
was so hard for the nuts andbolts ufologists that want to see a piece
of the craft or they, youknow, they want more tangibility, they're
not going to get it because alot of the time it's the consciousness the

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body was having the experience. Andmany of people say, oh, I've
had dreams of being on spacecraft andwhat have you. But I didn't know
if it was just a dream.And I'd say to them, how long
have you remembered that? And they'llsay, oh, I've remembered that dream
for the last twenty years. Isaid, so you still think it's a
dream. Interesting, if you aretaken in a trance state, you may

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very well believe it to be adream. But if you've still remembered it
after twenty years and it was thatsignificant, it's certainly not a dream.
It's just that you've gone in thatstate that makes you think it such,
because normal dreams are gone within minutes. The other thing being a therapist first
before researcher. The important thing withthat was I wasn't there to judge the

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experience. I was there to listento how they understood their experience and help
them work through it in what itmeant to them, how they choose to
understand it, and how they chooseto integrate it so that it no longer
is destabilizing to me. It wasn'tfor me to say, oh, well,
I believe that or I don't believethat, because the one thing,

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guys, that's really important to meis that I don't know what I don't
know. We feel the same way. You know, you can't judge something
just because it's not your experience.I remembered cooking to a breakfast show once
many years ago, and the questionshe said to me is, ah,

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so you believe them? Then Isaid, well, let's put it like
this. I've never been to Alaska. If people come to me, they
tell me about their to Alaska,they show me pictures of it, explain
their experience. I may never goto Alaska, but I've got to believe
Alaska exists. So this is thesame thing. It's not my personal experience,

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But how dare I have the arroganceto decide that I know what reality
is and they don't. So thesecond part of that is how many people
have similar experiences? And when yousee the patterns of experience, there are
so many that are standard with somebodyhaving encounters. And you know there's questionnaires

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out there. I've got a questionnairein the books as well, saying do
you relate to any of this?And you would be amazed how many people
will eight to the questions. AndI remember very profoundly a gentleman in his
sixties contact with me and said,I've had lots of really strange experiences.

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You're probably going to think I'm crazy. And I said, well, i'll
tell you what. I'll send youa questionnaire, tell me how you go.
So I did that. Within twentyfour hours. This gentleman got back
to me. He was extremely emotionaland teery, and he said to me,
how do you know about my life? And well, plainly I don't,

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but I do know about experience.And this is the bottom line is
when you've got hundreds of people sayingthe same things. And I'm talking about
not just children, I'm talking aboutall professions. Doctors, nurses, social
workers, psychiatrists, politicians, celebrities, you name it have been in contact

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with me. Many of them can'ttalk about it because of their professions,
etc. All I'm hearing is thesame kinds of things, and it's a
broad spectrum from people who have beenterrified that still, you know, the
whole thing freaks them out. Theythink they're losing the plot, right through
to those that say, you knowwhat, this has been the most amazing

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experience of my life because it's openedme up to so much that I didn't
know. Because one of the amazingthings with this, and when people say
what's the reality, I said,first of all, it changes their perspective
of who they are, what theyare, what life means to them.
I said. They go from materialisticvalues, they go from wanting to fit

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into the three D world. Theyexpand their horizons, They start looking into
truth. Some of them get fascinatedwith quantum physics, astronomy, etc.
Etc. Many of them change theirdiet, their lives. They let go
of the materialistic values. They focuson a whole range of new things to

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do with sciousness, spirituality. Andthe one fact that doesn't surprise me now
after my research is we discovered thateighty five percent of those were asked you
know, sorry, a hundred percentthey were asked what do you you know?
How do you feel about your experiencesnow? And eighty five percent of
them said that they'd experienced a psychospiritual transformation. Fifteen percent was still in

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the fear place, but the residentssaid they would never change it, even
although initially it was scary when youwhen you think about, you know,
the specific kinds of trends or similaritiesin some of these experiences. What are
some of the most common things thatyou hear these individuals experiencing, well,

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the first thing is, many ofthem feel quite strange on this planet.
I'll say, you know, I'venever I felt like I've never belonged.
I feel my body's too dense.I feel I'm from somewhere else. I
mean, and these are not quantifiablein three D terms, their feelings or
doings. That's the first thing.Some of them will say, you know,
I remember I came from somewhere else. And often that's the children mostly

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that will say, and they've I'vegot children of six and seven telling me
that they're you know, they'll rememberthe planet they're from. They'll remember.
One little ten year old was tellingme that he was in a blue body.
He explained that this is his veryfirst Earth life and he's come in
with an understanding that he's to helpwith the pollution, that that's part of

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his job, part of his mission. Another child told me he remembers being
a will of the Whisper spirit workingout what he needed to do on this
planet, in other words, decidingwhat kind of life he was going to
have. And the next thing hefound he was in mummy's tummy, and
that's how he explained it. Alot of them will say they've come with

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different missions. And every old tellingme that his family, his real family,
were the mantid being. He explained, you know, the mantis looking
beings. He said, that's myreal family. They're my ancestors. And
when I die, that's I'm goingback to being a mantis. And he
explained to me that community and thathis job here was to help people understand

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animals, that they're conscious and they'reprecious, and that we've got to start
treating them with respect. I mean, you know, these are not something
they you know, they see oncartoons, This is not something they see
on talk shows. They don't readbooks on this. The parents say to
me, we have never frontloaded them, we have never said anything about this,
and they will come out with itspontaneously. And also many of them

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will say that when they go onthe spacecraft. I remember this eight year
old who came to visit me withhis mum, and he said that when
he went up on the spacecraft,he was with two of his school friends.
They were having some procedures done,but then they were being taught by
these beings. And there were otherchildren like them, but there were some
that didn't look quite human. AndI said to him, how did they

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look then? And he said,oh, their eyes were different. I
knew they weren't the same as us. But we were taught to use our
minds. We were given complex information. And so I said, well,
can you tell me about some ofthat per plexfimation? No, he said,
it's too complex for you. Hm. Wow. Man. And so

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when you think about any that kindof stood out to you as outlier,
you know, experiences that maybe youwere um, you know, shared by
a couple of people in your experience, but more so as like some of
the potentially more fantastic can you andyou know obviously would without violating any kind
of confidence, Are there any thatstand out to you as kind of like

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a more outlier experiences from the fromthe mass. I think the thing that
this is leading you to is somethingabout who we are as a consciousness.
I think that's where it's taken me, because I'm hearing more and more about
those having experiences on spacecraft that theiressence, if you like, can sometimes

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inhabit one of the beings on boardcraft. And to give you an example
of that, the first time Icame across this eight year old who told
me that when he goes up onthe spacecraft sometimes he evaporates into a manted
form, in other words, amanted body for a time, and then
he'll come back to his human body. So, in other words, his

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soul, his consciousness, his essence, if you like, will be operating
in another form on board spacecraft.And then I heard another lake who told
me she was on the board spacecraftand I said, so, what are
you doing and she said, well, actually I'm not in my human body,
I mean a gray body as zetabody, as a scientist, and

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I'm doing workward craft. And Isaid, well, so what's happened to
your human body? She said,oh, it's just over there, she
said, you know, it's justwaiting for me. And I said,
well, how do you get backto your human body? And she described
this ball of light leaving the graycontainer or the gray body, and going
back and inhabiting her human body.And then I've heard others say similar things.

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I mean, there's a gentleman inEngland who described exactly what the sight
year old happened to him in leavingand going into a manted body, and
he said he did exactly the samething because his ancestry is part mounted.
And that's Simon Parks, who's apolitician in England, described exactly the same

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thing. I'm here more and morethat there is a real connection between these
intelligences and our soul. And I'llgive you another example. One of the
fascinating ones was when I was inthe Lake district and I was a family
there had had their car and they'dbeen taken on board craft and there was
the grandmother, the mother and twoof her and two children. And when

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I went there, they said,we need to find out what happened.
And I did a regression on thegrandmother first, but then the fifteen year
old he wanted to remember what wasgoing on for him, and when he
was in the hypnosis, he startshaving a conversation with the beings and then
he says, one of the experiences, he's in his garden at home and

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the spacecraft arrives with this gray comingout to meet him, and then he
says, oh. He says,there's three bright orbs here. One's great
granddad and one's great nanna, andone's his brother. And I said to
him, what do you mean.He said, well, they're visiting as

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well, and I said, so, how do you know that they're you're
you know, you're the your yourrelatives that have passed on. And he
said, oh, he says,I just know, and they're saying they're
with me just so I won't bescared, so I feel comfortable. And
then he told me that the beingsthat left him at that time went back

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on the spacecraft, but the orbsof light that were his relatives went back
on the spacecraft too. Wow.So let me ask you this just out
of curiosity, because it sounds likeyou're having some amazing and fascinating and intense
conversations and sessions with these folk.Are these like recurring experiences that they're having.
Is it like a sing singular abductionexperience or for some of these people,

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is it an ongoing experience event orseries of events where they're constantly being
taken or returning to, you know, the different body with the you know,
with their same consciousness. What doesthe rhythm of this look like?
Are you seeing any patterns there aswell? Mary? It's a very good
question, and that was what wasvery clear to me because I do hypnosis.

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As as you already are aware,they'd want to know maybe about a
missing time episode that going to seesomeone should have only taken an hour and
it takes three what happened to thattwo hours or whatever? So that might
be the only thing they've isolated tostart with about their contact with these intelligences.

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What's fascinating, and this is theway that I work, is when
they're in that space and they maysee themselves on the table having a procedure,
but don't know what that procedure is. I get then then to look
around them and find out what kindsof intelligences are there with them. They'll
describe them, and I'll say tothem, is any of them looking familiar

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to you in any way? Andthey all I seem to find one of
the beings that looks familiar. Well, of course allegedly tells me that they
know that being. So I willsay, now ask them how many times
they've picked you up? And theywill reel off without a seconds, without
any kind of hesitation, two,five, seven, fifteen, Da dah,

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da da dah, and they willliterally reel off the times that they've
been picked up. Wow, Sothat'd be the time they've ever realized that,
in fact, this is an ongoingthing, and then we have you
know, they can have a conversation, they can find out why they're there,
and often they're told it could bea healing procedure, it could be
collecting genetic material, it could beand they can ask questions about the cells

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family and people say, well,how can they possibly do that when you
know at this particular time, Isaid, because you know, in that
space there isn't time, There isjust the experience, and this is what
we're One of the things about ourparadigm is that in terms of understanding that

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time is only linear. It's somethingwe have as a three D consciousness,
but as our multidimensional consciousness, timeisn't linear at all. It's all now.
So they can have a conversation,they get their answers, they get
their understanding of why they've been pickedup, you know, what is their
connection to these intelligences? You know, And they'll be told a whole range
of reasons why they've interacted with thesethings, including and you know, you

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have to go to wherever they go, including the fact that I will say
to them, have you, onany level consented to this? And usually
they say yes, But before Icame here, in other words, it
was a sole contract. So thatleads me to another question, because I
mean, it's fascinating through and throughMary, and my mind is like looking

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at why why are certain humans?Are people being selected and having these experiences,
And that takes me to one ofthe talking points in your book about
hybrid and you know how you explorethe concept of them essentially being a new
species of human. So I feellike this is a great jumping off point
for you to walk us through thistheory as a whole and the research that
you have completed to corroborate this.So break us off on and what we're

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looking out there as it relates tothe hybrid. It's a very good question.
But as you probably you know,I've already said that my background is
nursing mid with me, I wantedto see the tangibility as well as honor
their experiences, and it took meright back to where our origins, you
know, I mean, you're lostorigins. It's about the origins of the

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species. Is the clue is themost important clue, and it's about our
DNA, the fact that we wereyou know, our previous hominids were Neanderthal's
chromagnant others, and then there's thismissing link. Then all of a sudden,
Homo sapiens sapiens appears with twice thebrain size, added two hundred and

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twenty three genes that were a sidewaysinsertion of genetic material, all to do
with higher psychological functioning molecular biologists thathave contacted me, geneticists that have noted
that we appear to have had ourDNA altered and spliced and put back together
again. There's Lloyd Pie's book,The Intervention Theory. There's a geneticist there

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WHI saw blow geneticist that says,you know, but if I talk about
this, I'll be hung up andyou know, and left to die.
The bottom line is that people aren'ttold the truth. In fact, what
comes through if you look at mythology, you look at anthropology, you look
at the gods throughout our history thatare being talked about. I don't believe

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there were gods whatsoever. I meanthese were I believe extraterrestrials visiting this planet
with with greater technology than we hadand will misunderstood. You hear the Dogun
tribe talking about the gods that actuallythe nummo part human, part fish that
interfered with our and added DNA tous. This is part of their mythology.

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For example, other indigenous tribes talkabout the star visitors coming and adding
DNA to human DNA. You've gotdoctor Francis Crick. But also, you
know, he was co found ofthe DNA molecule, for example. He
always believed that we were intelligently designedand that within our DNA we would find

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the information once we understood what wasactually in our DNA itself. There are
there's more understanding that possibly at leasttwelve different species have added their DNA to
ours. I mean some of themtalk about the an anarchy in the Sumerian
text for example, and other speciesof God's for example. Well, so

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I've got no you know, inmy mind, to be quite blunt,
we're all hybrids. But there aresome now that are relating more to the
hybrid nature because they're coming in withthat awareness. And I'm meeting teenagers and
children as well as adults saying Iknow I'm a hybrid, and they're connected

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to particular species. It may bea species of feelines, line beings.
It may be mounted like the littleeight year old for example. It may
be a crystalline being. It maybe a reptilian being where they see themselves
as a hybrid. There's a wholerange of them that people are saying,
that's my connection to my star family, and that's what they see, that's

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their ancestry. They believe that manyof them believe their origins come from that
particular star system, for example,and they've come in human form to help
with this planet and its evolution.And the fact that they are awake to
that or sense that with their senseof mission. Is what I am talking

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about, is connecting or awakening toour cosmic heritage, because that I believe
is our heritage. It comes fromthe stars. Could I ask you for
your personal opinion on something, Mary, Yes, so I can't help,
But just wonder why the entire likesocietal like resistance to talking about that missing

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link and how it very much appearsthat, like you had said, there's
like a splicing of our DNA,genetic manipulation, modification, all the things.
But you had mentioned like he can'ttalk about it because that's it.
He's hanging out himself out to dryor whatever. Why do you think personally,
based on your experience in this fieldand all the time that you've spent

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with you know, thirty five hundredplus human beings talking about their experiences,
that we as a species as asociety are so closed off to discussing these
things. Because I also can't helpbut feel that if we knew that this
was actually our origin story and weactually looked at some of the you know,

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Sumerian accounts, the accounts of Mesopotamiaas it relates to the Anunaki or
whatever, and let's just say thatin this rant here that those are actually
you know, true, and theycame here because they were having issues with
their planet to where they had toleave their planet to find resources elsewhere to
fix or the situation right the shipor whatever. Couldn't that help us as

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a species kind of get things backon the rails as it relates to,
you know, just the way thatwe've abused this planet and the things that
are changing, and you know,just the the unknown future that we have
as it relates to Earth or isthere. I mean, I'm just trying
to wrap my head around why wewon't talk about it, because I feel
like there could be some really positiveoutcome if we actually understood where we come

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from and what does it actually meanfor us as a species. So I'm
just really curious as to your takebased on your time or on this stuff.
Well, let's put it like this. Since I've got involved in this
whole phenomena, one of the thingsit's forced me to do is re examine
all my educational beliefs, you know, my scientific beliefs, my anthropological,

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archaeological theological beliefs. In fact,every area of knowledge and what I've discovered
it we have in the main anedited version of the truth. And this
has been going on for centuries.There are people I believe on this planet
that absolutely know this. They knowthe truth. And it's like when we

(38:35):
look at the power that gives them, the more they understand, and the
less the majority understands, the morepower they have. And you know,
although I know I never wanted toget into the conspiracy side, to me,
that wasn't helpful except where I hadto look at it, and I
you know, when people call themconspiracy theories, I call them conspiracy and

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that actually, when you're looking ata conspiracy, you're a critical thinker.
You're not allowing the mainstream to dictatewhat you learn, learn and grow from
in terms of your education. Ireally believe that there's there's been a power
struggle on this planet for millennia,and the way that that power has been

(39:19):
retained is through not telling, youknow, the the everyday person the truth
about who we are, what weare, etcetera, etcetera. Because that
maintains a power structure on this planetthat is extremely unhealthy. I mean,
for me, from the even asyou say, if people knew the truth,
it would change everything. It wouldchange the way that we look at

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each other, it would change theway that we judge each other. It
would change religion, it would changescience, it would change anthropology, archaeology,
etc. Etc. I mean,we're not told the truth often about
our own history, of our owncountry, for example. You know why
is that? And it's because thereare things they want to keep hidden.
Because the more you understand about whoyou are and what you are, the

(40:06):
more empowered you're going to be.And the fact that we're you know,
we're given an inaccurate version means thatwe never really have the understanding to help
ourselves, you know, change thisplanet and change what's happening. You know,
it's it's like the truth embargo ofthe truth of the fact that in
the you know, the deep state, shadow governments know full well we're being

(40:29):
visited, and they're you know,they're doing a drip feed at the moment
saying oh we've you know, theNavy is saying, oh, yeah,
there are strange you know, unidentifiedareal phenomena. We don't know what they
mean or what they are. Whata load of bs that is. They
fully know what it's about. Andthey've got craft, you know, many
many craft that have crash landed aroundthe globe. They also know and have

(40:52):
had interaction with these beings. Manydifferent forms of beings too, not just
you know, the grays for example, which seems to be the only one
they talk about, or reptilians orwhatever, you know, the scary scary
stuff. The bottom line is thatwe are having many intelligence is visiting us,
many humanoids and all the rest ofit. If people knew this,

(41:13):
then it would change the way theysee themselves. The other thing, too,
is that we're not being told whatwe are. The biggest issue for
me with that is, first ofall, they have technology that we're not
being given, or we're being dripfed with technology things that came from the
like fiber optics, teflon, digitalchip, night vision are all universe neared

(41:38):
from the craft. They have theability to change the way we actually energize.
You know, we use power andenergy free energy. They've got ways
to do healing, for example,But what will that do that will change
the power structure on this planet.I remember reading the book the day after

(41:58):
roswell Or Corso, and he describesin the book how he actually met one
of the Grays outside a military basein America and the being said to him,
Oh sorry. Corso said to him, so what does that mean for
us? You know, in otherwords, what are we going to gain

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out of it? And the beingsaid, A new world if you can
take it. And plainly, wecouldn't take it, could we, because
all of that's being shut down.My biggest issue, more than anything else,
is the hundreds of thousands, verylightly millions of people that think there's
something wrong with them, that thinkthey're going crazy because they are afraid if

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they go to a psychiatrist or psychologistin present understanding, they're going to be
seen as as mentally ill. Andthere are millions of people, I believe,
in hospitals that are having experiences thatthink they are mentally ill. And
I write about one story of alittle a nineteen year old young lady that
finally in touch with me, andshe said, when she was fourteen,

(43:02):
she went to the doctor and toldthe doctor that she was seeing aliens and
he said, you know that youmust be unwell and schizophrenic, and put
her on a cocktail of medications.Three times she nearly took her own life.
And it wasn't until she was nineteen, seeing someone talk about this on
a talk show that she said tome, she phoned me up and said,

(43:24):
I think I'm having real experiences.And she was at this point very
heavily medicated and misunderstood and suicidal.Now this is just one case I reckon
of many thousands, possibly more thanthat, of people because the truth isn't
out there, and because we don'tknow the truth, that many people are

(43:45):
being misunderstood and are actually taking medicationsor think they're crazy. So for me,
the big one is the truth hasto come out so that this stops,
and that people start to realize whowe are, what we are,
and our potential. Because these youngkids coming in now are amazing and they

(44:06):
know the truth. I talked toa seven year old when I was in
the US who said to me,you know, Mary, I can tell
when someone's telling the truth or whenthey're telling lies. And I said to
him, so, how do youhow do you know that? How do
you you know? What does itmake you feel? And he said,
when they're lying to me, Igo all cold, he said, And
when they're telling the truth, Ifeel warm. I always know. And

(44:29):
these are the kids coming in,so when you lie to them, they'll
know whether you're lying or not.And this is why we need that,
because we need to know the truthabsolutely. So thank you for opening up
about that. You know. Andone of the other aspects of this kind
of stigmatizing effect that you're describing,I think you know that happens to a
lot of different people for different reasons, different social breaking of different social norms.

(44:54):
And one of the things that youget into is this idea of new
pro grams for humanity, including thingslike tension deficit, hyperactivity disorder, Asperger's,
different forms of autism, spectrum disorder. So could you walk our listeners
through, you know, what doyou mean by new programs for humanity and
how do these conditions play into theoverall theory. It's a very good question,

(45:20):
an important one, and one thatI got led into over a number
of years because once I saw theintergenerational link, when I saw that people
adults were coming to me saying,I realized, now this has come through
my mother's side. My mother wasalways a bit different, and my grandmother
was always a bit clairvoyant, orthey may say granddad was always into UFOs.

(45:42):
There's your link. As soon asyou get someone exploring beyond the three
D world, there is a realobvious link to them. So okay,
So I thought to myself, sowhat's going on. We know there's been
more sightings. We know that there'sa lot more coming out now since we
technologically reached a certain level, andthere is a real sense as an urgency

(46:08):
now from what the message is thatthey get that we need to change the
way that we're treating each other,but also how we're dealing with our ecology.
What we're actually doing is highly dangerousand really needing to spiritually become more
aware. What I discovered was thatthe parents were coming to me telling me,

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oh, my kids adhd or mykids autistic or got aspergers, or
you know, my kids, dyslexic, etc. Etc. And I thought,
well, how is that compatible withan upgrade? If literally I'm seeing,
you know, the adults opening upthat are a bit more aware than
their parents and a bit more awarethan their grandparents, why suddenly would we

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have dysfunctions which appear to be dysfunctionsat least, it didn't make any sense
until I start to explore it andfind out, well, what are these
dysfunctions? Certainly ADHD do not functionvery well in a three D educational program.
They lose interest very fast and getbored very fast. So what is

(47:14):
going on there? So what isthat all about? And gradually you get
these little clues, these little synchronousiasthat give you information. And regarding ADHD,
it was a lovely gentleman in HongKong. Neil Gold, who is
a researcher and experiencer, wrote thebook Close Encounters of the ADHD Kind,
and he talked about his interactions withthe light beings. He talked about the

(47:37):
fact that he only discovered he wasADHD in his fifties, and he said
it was Mary, I always sawreality in an expanded way. I always
could make sense of the matrix thatI was seeing and I knew I was
seeing things differently to everyone else,and he in fact retranslated is ADHD into
always styled into higher dimensions. Thatwas the clue. The clue was ADHD

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do. They're harder to program,and the only way we program them literally
is to shut them down, togive them riddling or some other sedative to
slow them down so they can beif you like programmed what I felt,
and you do this, you findyourself saying, well, what are the

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intelligence is up to here? Whatis it? They was the objective,
and it came very clear to methat they wanted to make sure that we
were no longer programmed into a limiting, unlimited belief system and paradigm, because
that's what happens to all of us. We get programmed into beliefs. And

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I remember a nine year old inScandinavia saying to me Mary that when you
go to school, the teachers programyou and then they just press the keys.
They program you out of your light. So what happens is that three
D programming is to literally shut usdown. It gets us into a program

(49:05):
of limitedness. You're told unless youcan touch it, feel it with your
senses, it's not real. Weall have intuition, we all have the
abilities to access the multidimensional nature ofreality that is innate in us, and
yet we're told we're not to trustit because you can't quantify in the in
the left brain analytical side of you. We have a multidimensional side of us

(49:28):
that access the matrix that we getintuition, we get feelings, we get
knowings, we get senses. Peoplewill see spirits, will see orbs,
and you're told that's not real,that you're crazy. If you hear information
or you get a sense of informationthat you haven't learned, you must be
crazy, when in fact, that'sactually a natural part of who we are.

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So what I discovered, or whatI believe is going on, is
these new programs make the new humanharder to program. They are wired differently
deliver so that they're not so easyto program into this inaccurate matrix that we're
told is three D. And withthem they are able to honor more of

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their senses. And one of thewonderful molecular biologists experiences that I talk about
in the book, and she's contributedto the book along with others that have
the background of being both a scientistand an experiencer. Doctor Lena Olsen molecular
biologists. She's also an experience soshe calls them letter people and she's one

(50:31):
of them, part ADHD, partautistic, and said that she's tested the
senses and they're all expanded. Inother words, the sense of touch is
six times more sensitive, the visualacuity is a lot more expansive, hearing
is a lot more sensitive, andshe's tested all of this from her scientific

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side, but as she says,she's also able to perceive the non physical
realms, to actually see energy fieldsand all. So pick up information from
these intelligences which are either as downloadsor a communication and their voyants do it
Clare audience, those are de ClaireAudience. We're coming to the understanding now

(51:14):
that what we're talking about is humanconsciousness, which is separate although linked in
this lifetime, separate to the bodybecause it can travel out of body.
Astill traveling tells us that remote viewingtells us that people have out of body
experiences. Those that have had neardeath experiences have talked about being out of
body and taking in information with theirconsciousness, soul, spirit. The evidence

(51:37):
now is overwhelming that we're more thanthe physical container, and yet that has
been shut down through the programming thatsays nothing beyond your senses is real.
So what we're seeing is almost acatalyst through these interactions that are showing us
more of what we truly are andmaking sure the programs of the new genetic

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mixes do not lose that awareness becauseof the fact they're harder to programs,
so they're wired differently. And peoplesay, well, why you know that
they talk about indigos crystals. Allthat says is their different programs for different
mandates. For example, the Indigois one that challenges the system, is

(52:21):
the rebel. You've got others thathave come in as healers, You've got
others that have come into work withEarth energies. And I had the seventeen
year old explained to me from NewZealand that he's an Octorian ambassador and his
ability is to change the ecosystem interms of how we live to be in
harmony with the planet. That's hisjob. That's why he's come in.

(52:45):
And he knows about his origins andthey all identify with being hybrids, which
means to me is that DNA,that is the et DNA, our star
family DNA is being activated and asit gets activated with these frequencies, they
then connect to their hybrid origins ina far more tangible way. And Hot,

(53:06):
damn, Mary, I think thatyou teed up the next question perfectly.
I know that we're nearing our timehere and we want to respect yours.
But one concept that I want tomake sure we touch on tonight is
reality dysfunction that you explain in yourbook. I would love for you to
walk us through what reality dysfunction is, but then also your research around how
we potentially need to evaluate or reevaluatethe current model and or implement a new

(53:30):
model of reality. So I wasopen that you could just walk us through
explaining reality dysfunction for our audience andthen maybe break us off on what the
new model could or should potentially looklike. Well, as I say,
I've touched on the fact that Ibelieve that we have been programmed into an
inaccurate reality and that problem and becauseof that, the materialistic mechanism scientific paradigm

(53:59):
has done this over the last fewhundred years to the point where we doubt
that aspect of ourselves that is multidimensionalwhen you have the fact that they're saying
that we're just a physical body andthat when we die, we die.
For example, everything to do withexploring consciousness now is telling us the opposite.
Those that are looking into consciousness,whether it's through near death experiences,

(54:20):
shamanic experiences, you know, theymay you know, there are lots of
different ways you tap into the matrix, which doctor Rudy Shield, who's an
astrophysicist, calls the quantum hologram.We now understand that DNA has the ability,
and this is through science Russian scientiststhat have discovered that DNA actually operates

(54:43):
miniature wormholes into consciousness into if youlike the consciousness, we're all part of
that intelligence. We all are,whether you see that as spirit's soul essence
or it is, it's the consciousnessthat we're all part of, and we
act as that through literally our DNA, the holographic nature of our DNA that

(55:05):
creates those wormholes into the matrix itself. So this is all becoming more and
more acceptable as the scientists look atthis and realize that there's so much more
to reality. One of the lovelyquotes is from Albert Einstein, saying those
that the belief that they have themandate on truth and knowledge are shipwrecked by

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the laughter of the gods. Andquite honestly, anyone who tries to tell
you they know what reality is,quite honestly, I would worry about them,
because nobody has the mandate on reality. Nobody fully understands what is reality
and whether we're co creators of consciousness, which I suspect we may very well
be. But the bottom line iswe're finally realizing that everything we've been ever

(55:52):
taught by up to date has notbeen the truth about what reality is.
And it's now consciousness is that,you know, the big one, And
what it's saying is that what we'reexperienced, we have the ability to access
the matrix, to access the hologram, and to get information in numerous ways

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with our awareness, and these youknow, remote viewing is one of the
ways we do it out of bodyexperiences. It may be through shumanic experiences,
hallucogens or another one. I'll tellyou a little story briefly. When
I was speaking Oxford University, andI still can't believe I actually won the
won the forum, but this youngstudent came up to me and he said,

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can I ask you a question?And I said sure. He said,
I've got a friend, and Ilaughed when he said that I've got
a friend magic mushroom. And whenhe took the magic mushrooms he saw a
gray Was that genetic memory or wasthat real? And I laughed and I
said, I suspect it was actuallyreal because when you take these these altered

(56:55):
states, go into these altered states, you're seeing more of the matrix.
You are seeing more of our greaterreality. And there are many different ways
that people can access us, andthat's one of them. You know,
through taking Iyahwascar or or these otherways are showing us the true nature of
reality. And it's about time,you know, that people will wake up

(57:17):
and realize that they've been led toand that the truth is that we're still
trying to find out what is consciousnessand what we are. And I certainly
know that we're not tied to ourphysical body, that our physics. When
our physical body dies, then wecertainly still are consciousness that chooses to access

(57:39):
other realms and continues to access otherrealms way beyond the loss of our physical
body. Reincarnation has shown me thatthrough doing hypnosis, people going to other
lifetimes and then experiencing in between liveswhere they're just consciousness or they're just light,
and then then deciding to be inanother form. You know, hundreds

(57:59):
of of regressions I've done, samekind of information comes through. You know,
they're not all hallucinating, they're notall fantasizing. There's got to be
a tangibility there. There's got tobe some kind of evidence that that's a
reality. Well, Mary, Ifeel like it's uh, you know,
always incredible to speak with somebody whohas your diversity of experience. But I

(58:21):
think, you know, you dropthat awesomeness on us right at the end.
You know you could and I couldn'thelp, but think you know in
your reply you're like, well,you know, tell your friend that this
is the case. But you know, some of the stuff that you're describing
here about regression and you know,the sort of many things that you've learned
through hypnosis. You know, I'llgo out on a limb here and say

(58:44):
that I could imagine tons of thelost origins. Audience would probably love to,
you know, dig deep into thatwith you in a future episode.
So you know, we know you'revery busy, but um, it would
be really awesome if we could maybetake a separate conversation in the future and
even just talk about you know,some of the hypnosis experiences and some of
the things that you've learned about differentaspects of consciousness and you know, translated

(59:07):
experiences. UM. And I knowwe kind of ran out at a time
today, but hopefully in the future, UM, we could talk to you
about that. Um. But welland also like no great point. I
know the Lost Origins community and audiencewould love that. But like selfish mud,
yeah, I would even if evenif we don't release the episode,
maybe we just kind of call andjust talk for an hour about that talk

(59:28):
to us, um, but beforewe before we let you go today,
UM, can you tell us andtell the audience? UM, you know,
where can they find your current workon the web or different social media
channels? What else are you workingon? You know? How can people
keep up with you? Well,just google Mary Rodwell and you'll get my
acerna site which is austrailing Close EncounterResource network. I'm also a co founder

(59:52):
of the doctor GOA Mitchell Foundation forResearch into Extras and Extraordinary Experiences U,
which is www. Dot experiencer dotorg. I'm also on Facebook, so
there's many different ways that you canaccess mean and lots of presentations to again
or you need to on YouTube.You'll see where I take people, and

(01:00:15):
I take them a fair way downthe rabbit hole, I might add,
but that's the point in terms ofthe research that I'm doing. I continue
to push the boundaries because I haveto, because that's what I'm coming across.
And you were talking about hypnosis.I have gone with people to parallel

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parallel lives, to different timelines too. As I say, being just creator,
energy, beings, you name it, There's been no limits to where
I've traveled with my clients. Soabsolutely I'm more than happy at some point
to talk a little bit more aboutwhat I've discovered about the soul and you

(01:00:59):
know what we experience A very sorrywe lost you there, so awesome.
Really appreciate that. And also,um, for those who want to check
out your personal website, I hopeyou're okay with me giving out that url
as well, just because it issuch a cool url. Alien lady dot

(01:01:21):
com Really cool. Yeah, andwe'll make sure that we link to all
of Mary's websites on the media sectionof our website and doing this episode dropped.
So if you're listening to this onyou know Apple podcast is what it's
called now, Google Play, Spotify, whatever catcher you're using, hopover it's
a lost Organs dot com forward slashmedia s goop up this episode and we'll

(01:01:44):
get you linked up with her andyou can find use books on Amazon.
You can also go to alien Ladydot com directly and there's a shop section
where people can order each of theseindividual books, New Human Awakening, Expressions
of Eat, Contact and Entire MeditationCD series. So there's a lot of
good stuff on there to check out. But Mary, thank you so much

(01:02:06):
for spending time with us today andyou know, getting deep into these things.
Really appreciate you articulating so much ofthis stuff today. It's been absolute
pleasure both of you for inviting me. Thank you, and hopefully we'll talk
again before too long. We definitelywill. We look forward to getting you
back on the show. Mary,thank you so much, and you have
an awesome Australian morning. Thank youby now hot Damn. I hope that

(01:02:30):
you guys enjoyed that conversation as muchas t K and I did. Man
Mary is just well spoken, butalso very very thorough in the way that
she's researching and approaching these different concepts. Though the conversation as it relates to
reality dysfunction was one that I justcould not get out of my head.
It's one that he and I spentso much time discussing. After the conversation

(01:02:53):
with Mary, just an amazing,amazing rabbit hole opened up for you through
that conversation. So head over toher website, make sure they check out
her books and her films, andyou guys will not be all right.
So next week's episode is going tobe incredible. If you were a fan
of Joseph Selby's appearance from the Spackrun this season, you are going to

(01:03:15):
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the conversation that we started at Tepackat the tail end of twenty nineteen.
If you have not listened to thatepisode, go check it out. The
chunk of Seapack episodes is more ofa smaller bite size approach to a lot
of these researchers, and so you'reable to jump in and get like a

(01:03:36):
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Kevin Bailey recent Patreon supporter Kevin Man. We appreciate it more than we can
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I'm Andrew and challenge you to questioneverything do I need to do to

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do to do,