S03E23 - Veritas Nunquam Perit

Season three of Lost Origins is arguably the strongest in the show's history. Andrew and CK continued their quest for the truth and connected with some of the leading minds in the historical and investigative space. The two welcomed several new guests onto the show, reconnected with some old friends, journeyed to California for the Conference on Precession and Ancient Knowledge, and so much more. In today's episode, the team closes season by reviewing some of the top moments from recent conversations and share some important information regarding season four.

Episode Transcript

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What it's good people. I likethat we laughed like little girls. They're
just called giggly. This is apodcast. What's up, everybody? Welcome
to this week's episode of Lost Origins. Your two favorite history nerds are back
at it again. C Ka Homie. How's the week show look? Oh?
Wild? What a couple of wildones? Ye? Happy to be
alive, happy to be living thedream. You. I'm right there with

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you. It's it's been a ride, but we are did so many ups
and downs in the world at themoment. Just a lot going on,
Yeah, a lot of markets andchaos. Maybe by the time this episode
comes out and things will be greatagain, maybe they'll have this whole covid
nineteen things solved, totally linked andeverybody's super healthy. Yeah. I'm excited

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for Facebook to turn back into youknow, the place where you can can
share baby photos and stuff instead ofjust like stats that just make you fear
walking outside. And you know,hopefully this whole election thing could just like
get over with. But I thinkwe're gonna have a few more months of
it at least. Man, whata time. Yeah, one thing I've
really been just like I don't wantto say stressing over but contemplating. There

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we go. We have a tripto Grease booked in the middle of April,
and I'm wondering if it's going tobe the first time in my life
did I actually get to use mytravel insurance. Might have to mum that
one. So we'll see you couldyou could do the thing that I've seen?
Um? You know, I actuallyI went to New York a couple

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of weeks ago, and I'm goingto New York this week. And one
of the things that I saw onmy flight the first time was there was
a person wearing swimming goggles in additionto their mask. Neat. Yeah,
I was like, Scooba stuff,Like that's the first There was no like
the like the actual goggles, alittle little ones just to cover their eyes.

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I will say that, like youknow, we've talked about this before that
we don't we don't talk about productsthat we don't believe in, and this
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otherwise wouldn't be able to take.Yeah, you know, this fits into
your night. You can throw thison, you know, just in your
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now taken four full courses over thecourse of a period of time that otherwise
I would not have learned this stuffperiod full stop. And specifically, I
know some people have been following alongwith us. And the course that we're

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looking at right now is the theoryof everything. It's the quest to explain
all reality. So I know thatsounds like almost too heavy sometimes, but
I think you know, and andI know this audience is generally among the
headiest folks out there, and soyou know, it's talking about things not
just dark matter, Big Bang theoryof relativity, but also just looking at
like what exactly is time? Youknow what, how does space interact with

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you? How does it interact withmatter? Just thinking about some of the
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you guys are going to enjoy it. So so here we are after one
of the longest seasons. This tiesfor the longest season, right, I
guess it would be the longest withthe twenty three episodes, this one would
be twenty three, This would bethe longest, really really serious. You
know, nobody can say that wedon't try to swings on each season.

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For you guys, this is hopefullythis has been super awesome. Season three.
We ripped right past you know,any kind of real break season two.
End of season three, Andrew andI now have done, like,
I don't know, almost fifty episodestogether in addition to the twenty something that
you did prior to be joining,and I think we've both learned a lot.

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We did, I mean I knowI did, and we got to
like have some of the headiest conversations, not just with the guests on the
show, but offline. You andI feel like when we were talking through
a lot of this stuff and tryingto make sense of it, I'm trying
to take it to a different level, man. Like that experience for me
was unreal feeling, yeah, exactly, first time I've ever taken a trip
to California or anywhere for podcasting,So that was kind of cool. Yeah,

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so we wanted to take a littlemoment and just say, all right,
let's let's just like look back overthis stuff. You know. We
did this at the end of seasontwo just because like we're going so quickly
through so many different things, talkingabout so much different stuff. But we
thought we'd just take this episode andkind of go through some of our favorite
learnings, different discussions we've had withdifferent authors that we really liked. So

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hopefully it'll give other people an opportunityto kind of be like, oh,
yeah, yeah, I did likethat one, and it's one you missed.
Maybe you realize I go back andscoop that up right, check it
out, and hopefully, you knowyou guys can like join the conversation on
social give us a poke and belike, no, I totally disliked what
you said about that other thing,or guys, you totally forgot about my
favorite episode this one. Give usa shout so you gotta kick us off.

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What was one of your most memorablemoments or conversations or takeaways from season
three. I will say that stillI still talk about this quite a bit
with people. I still I findmyself bringing content up from this discussion pretty
often, and it was not aconversation that I had, you know,

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like on my calendar early on inthe year being like, oh, this
one's absolutely going to be the one. But doctor Stephen Lynton nice still just
ruminating on so many of the differentthings that he talked about, even even
really simple things like getting the rightamount of sleep, yeah, right,
and the way that sleep affects yourneurochemistry, specifically thinking about your pineal gland

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releasing melatonin as the moon starts goingdown, you know, selma energy starts
hitting you, and just the simplephysics of the quantum biology reaction that happens
in this like crazy magic factory thatis your body and brain and seeing how
that you know, melatonin starts beingreleased, your your body starts, you

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know, changing its disposition towards sleep, starts releasing other neurochemicals just to like
prepare you for the crazy wonderland thatis your dreams. Let alone the fact
that it's repairing you right right,that your body's like taking all these opportunities
while you're not moving around and beingthis like clunky, like weird ape creature

(11:01):
running around and smashing things into youand like eating stuff and you know,
pooping and yelling and doing whatever itis that people do. I still do
all those things, all those things, you know, like and and then
the fact that like you get toin the middle of that, you know,
really touch this infinite space. Yeah, And I think just hearing from
him about some of his own personalregimen, you know, with meditation.

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I know meditation is a really importantthing to you as well. Um,
but just the fact that he's takenit the extra mile. You know,
he's like spent time trying to reduceany calcification efforts to his pineal gland in
order to get better clarity during meditation, and his own dream states he's you
know, removed the little bit ofskin underneath his tongue to be able to

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like put better pressure on the topof his hard palate so that he can
drop into meditation more smoothly. Um, thinking about getting K two in your
diet a little bit more for sure, making sure that you get you know,
grass fed milk, if you're eatingmeats, that it's dominantly like grass
fed meats as opposed to all ofthese different grains that are maybe you know,

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changing the fat solubility of the thingsthat you're eating. Um, So
for those who haven't listened to thatepisode, it's one of our seapack episodes.
Yeah, I would say, you'reabsolutely missing out and you gotta check
it out. I would almost saypause this and just go listen to it.
And I would agree, because thatone was definitely one that was not
on my radar. I had noidea what to expect. Interestingly enough,

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I talked to him this morning.We were talking about season four and just
game planning and so we are goingto when we released season four, have
a Doctor Lynne episode and I said, it's been a hot minute since you've
ham horned. We've actually gotten quitea few message people are annoyed. There's
some people that are really really upsetthat they're not getting their ham horns back.

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You might get one more guys.Dang, Yeah, right boy.
So Doctor Lane coming back for seasonfour. But yeah, the meditation component
was just super super interesting to me. The K two piece that that one
really really shook shook my like shookme to my core. But what I
also really enjoyed about that conversation wasthis was, you know, season two

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we started like Fortmouth a little bit, and then season three. I feel
like we just went off the deepend for all things. You know,
what is reality? What you know, what is like what does it mean
to be a human being? Andyou know DMT and you know pineal Gland
and like really exploring consciousness and allthese things. And that dude took it
to a place that I was notprepared for at all. Like I remember
both of us after he walked outof that interview room as Zepeck like looked

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at each other and melted yeah,like and just think that. And he's
just you know, to see somebodywho went through med school spent a lot
of time not just trying to thinkabout how to help people live healthier,
more productive lives in general, butto have somebody like that, who's so
grounded in science, who spends somuch of his time thinking about the biological

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aspect of it, really take itto this different place and emphasize the fact
that you know, we are adream machine, right, you know,
like there are a few means throughwhich we can connect to sort of our
infinite self. You know, We'vehad a number of other great conversations with
some other people about that self andhow it gets neglected. But to have

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you know, an MD physician talkingabout this stuff with just absolute certainty was
really cool. Yeah, it was. It was illuminating for sure. So
I'm glad that you you pointed tothat one first. That one is definitely
a solid one that we've put inthe bag for season. What a legend.
And I think anybody else who's youknow, listened to that episode or

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other episodes where we've talked about itin the past. You know. I
think one of the interesting things aswell is that, like this guy has
one of those voices too that justlike I could probably listen to like every
episode if I could just have aLynn filter on my own voice, I
think I would sound a lot moreinteresting just in general. Yeah, there's

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a potential opportunity for technology filter.Yeah, we'll come back to that.
Yeah, my wife and my sisterin law are obsessed with this guy,
and we're very sad to hear thathe has a lady friend. Yeah I
get it though, I mean,he is a handsome, but he's also
actually yeah they were just talking abouthis voice even, but like, yeah,
he's also a handsome fellow. Yeah. Yeah, So who next,

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Doctor Brian Keating. The way wekicked off season three. I feel that
set the stage for a lot ofthe conversations that we were going to have
all things space, universe like Cosmos, Big Bang like that. For me
has always been such a magnet andI've always been really really drawn to that
stuff and really interested in it.And so to be able to pick the

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brain of doctor Keating was just socool for me when we were talking about
everything from his book Losing the NobelPrize, which is really really good.
That book is such good shit.If you have not read it, please
pick it up, check it out. It's so worth it. But just
like how down to earth he wasand easy to talk to. Um,
you know, I've never actually talkedto a PhD at his level in that

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field, and I feel like Iknow a good amount of stuff about the
universe, you know, from froma layman's perspective. I've watched me several
doctumentaries, um, but great coursesplus Yeah, so there we go to
go back for you, m ButI mean just to be able to like
have a conversation with him and askhim questions about the things that I don't

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understand and have him walk us throughwhat we know about the Big Bang that
stuff he's doing in South America.Just got such a really really cool experience.
Or and I think, like,you know, so often when we
end up speaking with people that area little bit more alternative thinkers, Yeah,
um, we we spend you know, a lot of time trying to
like tie in that alternative course ofthought to some things that are a little

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bit more grounded in at of evidencebased UM work. And I think like
just giving people the opportunity to hearfrom somebody who spends tons of time not
just in an evidence based reality,but also in this very theoretical space.
Yeah. Total that like cosmology asa science is itself kind of this window

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into how little we know about ourselves, how little we know about the universe.
UM. And I thought to yourpoint, you know, for somebody
who is you know, basically onthe furthest bleeding edge of astrophysics in the
world, among the most respected,you know people out there in the field,
one of the one of the mostimportant Brian's in physics and next to

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Brian Cox and Brian Green. Um, to have this guy have such humility
in the face of that, umyou know, running a multi hundred million
dollar telescope array, and still beinglike there's some stuff we just don't know
yet, give me so much anxiety, so much break that lends guys such
it one thing and then I andthen we can move on. But one
thing that I thought was so coolthough, was him and I were having

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a conversation on the side about Roman, my middle boy, and you know,
just his affinity with the universe,and you know, he loves watching
those documentaries and we read books aboutspace all the time. And when I
shared that with doctor Keating, helatched onto that and he's like, here's
an opportunity to feed a young mindand like get him so stoked on space

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and just the way things work.That care package that hit our front doorstep,
Gosh, that thing rocked Roman's brainlike it had a like meteorite,
a piece of a meteorite sick thathe gave to Roman. It's just so
cool to see him go out ofhis way to like he genuinely gives a
shit about what he's doing. AndI think it just it shows with moments
like that and just turning little mindsonto the wonder of space is such a

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cool thing. Yeah, you know, like I think in general, seeing
it kind of reminds us how littlewe know when we're looking into it.
But when kids start thinking about thisstuff, it's just like, oh man,
I could know all that someday.Right, It's like it's pretty pretty
amazing. Yip yip yip. Wedo have to take just a quick break,

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but when we come back, we'regoing to continue to explore our favorite
moments from season three. So morefrom your two favorite history nerds after the
break. All right, welcome backto this week's episode of Lost Origins.

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On today's episode, we are exploringall of our favorite moments from season three.
Before the break, we were reminiscingabout some of the incredible conversations that
we've had, and we're gonna justjump right back in. All right,
hey, here with your next one. What do you guys so this gentleman,
it's I mean, it's interesting westart with three doctors here in this

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discussion. But I will say thatthis guy, I was unfamiliar with this
person's work, And afterwards, Iwill say that just you and I spoke
about this conversation for weeks, andlike I've also sent his stuff to a
bunch of different people. But doctorThomas Carlson, like this guy is a

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legend. Yeah, Like, Ithink more so than anything when we first
started having the conversation with him andtrying to understand, you know, why
is it that somebody who has asdeep of academic credentials as he has.
You know, this guy's a Yalefellow, he's a PhD author, researcher
studies. You know, he's asenior lecturer history of religion philosophy at Stockholm

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University. Heavy hitter, Um,how did he get so deep into dark
arts? Right? I don't know, but I love it? And specifically,
like we found the answer to thatin his story about being in that
soup or in the sioux in Morocco, right, and like the guy rolls
on him and is talking about thedrug rule like and like this guy basically

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had a grounded, magical, mysticalexperience with this person in his like youth
that has you know, pretty muchguided so much of his practice as not
just as an academic, but assomebody who himself is an initiate in the
left handed arts right. Right,Like, this guy is legitimately a dark

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magician wizard. So cool, Likeand I think, like, you know,
also, just don't get so manyout or we don't get so many
opportunities to speak with you know,we speak with a lot of different foreign
professors and researchers, which is reallycool. It's like super fun to have
this to be alive in this timewhere we can speak with people across the
world via skype um. But thefact that this person who speaks multiple languages,

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um, you know runs a theEsoteric Crossroads conference in Italy and you
know it spends all this time doingdifferent translantic thing. His accent still to
this day like fires me up.Yeah, just like the cadence of how
excited he is about these things andhow like perfectly he speaks English even though

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it's like his third language or something. Um. I think in general,
if you guys haven't listened to thatepisode, this is another one. Just
do yourself a favor, just hollerat it. It's and we've gotten a
few messages about the accent and itbeing it being hard to like really understand
and get like plugged into. Somy recommendation would be like tough at out
for a second and really really bein a place where you can focus,

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because once you get plugged into it, then then then it's just it's magic.
It's fire, it's awesome, andit's definitely a conversation that you want
to consume. I mean I've hadto listen to it a couple of times
as well, because there's such densityof information in there, you know,
the Luthark runs and just like ingeneral thinking about Like I hadn't spent as
much time thinking about runs in generalprior to that conversation, and since then,

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like just that aspect of mysticism hasbeen something that I feel, like,
you know, I even have myown set of runs, Like,
yeah, we've talked about UM,but just thinking about decoding things that were
for so long a real communication systemthat people used, you know, pretty
clearly to try to pierce that,you know, metaphysical veil around us.

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UM definitely worth a listen. Yeah, I would check it out. Also,
you know the dudes in a metalband, the dude in a metal
band, I mean, that's thatthat speaks to me at a whole different
level. So yeah, it makessome shredy dark metal too. Yeah,
I mean that real day world islike super well known for Yeah, how
brutal that stuff. Yeah, metalecalypse in full effect, like real people

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doing it, like serious shredding Floky, I slips in the out of that
cool month. You know, it'sso good. So who's who's next on
your list in this mass? Allright? So I might throw you a
curveball here because I know that,like, while we do have a lot
of conversations about this topic, itis one that for both of us technically

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there typically has a little bit moreskepticism at the wheel, right, Um,
But the conversation with Jeffrey Sortino,Um, the extraterrestrial stuff, it's
fun to talk about. I reallyenjoy it, but it's also like not
the main focus of the show.It. You know, we've always from
day one really looked into megalithic structuresand lost civilizations and ancient mysteries. But

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because the space has some pretty gnarlyoverlap, which is the extraterrestrial implications of
the past and a lot of thatyou probably could point to Zechariah Stitching for
the work. Yeah, exactly.Um, I've always found that area to
be a little bit it you know, rinse and repeat, and if I
offend somebody out there, I'm sorry, but it means it's a lot of

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the information that you can consume onthat area it's pretty much the same,
maybe with a little bit of adifferent twist or some new nuggets here and
there. But the way that JeffreySartin Sartina tells his story on such a
personal level. I said it inthe episode and I'll say it again when
I read his book. I've readso many books about ancient mysteries and just

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you know, stuff that fits withinthis vertical in general, and they're all
good in their own unique way,for sure, but they all read very
similar to a textbook, right orsome degree of it. And I read
his book in maybe one and ahalf sittings, like it is such a
story, and the way he drawsyou in with personal experience and heavy,

(25:52):
heavy personal experience, it just itdug its closing me deep. And that
was a time. That was thesummer of two thousand nineteen when we recorded
that episode, And so that wasa time where a lot of the stuff
that I was taking into meditation withme and contemplating in terms of just like,
you know, what does it meanto be alive? And you know,
how should I look at reality andexistential crisis one on one? All

(26:15):
these things. The timing could havebeen more perfect, I think so that
conversation was unbelievable for me. Himand I to this day, we've stayed
friends, we stay in touch.I'd love to get him back on the
show at some point. But theguy is just really, really solid,
and I like that he's doing whathe's doing because of the personal ties that

(26:36):
that it has and how important theyare to him. And for those who
you know, haven't listened to thatepisode, um, you know, he's
still also you know, talks abouta lot of things that I think are
you know, less personal even,but are still really core to some of
the stuff we talk about on theshow, you know, whether it's uh
Sumerian creation myths or creation stories,you know, thinking about and his book
specifically, you know, the identityof God um search and I search for

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an identification of God through ancient textson its surface, you know, really
is some of the core aspects ofwhat we talk about here. You know,
how do we tie back some ofthese ancient mythos? How do we
you know, how do we lookat some of these older stories to try
to give context to our life.But I agree with you that I think
the level to which he takes someof his personal experience with this stuff,

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let alone, you know, gettinginto some of the other um, you
know, tried and true alien groundslike the Hills for instance, you know,
Barney and Buddy Hill. Um,I think really brings it all home
in a way that is pretty rare. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
If you've not checked that episode out, as I would argue that it's definitely
worth the investment. So all right, throw one back, Abby. Oh

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thanks to hear your lawn dart downthe yard, Buddy. So I was,
you know, generally like thinking aboutuh like throughout the course of the
season, we've also had like afew different themes, right, and I
think one of the things that Ihadn't that I haven't spent a lot of
time with. Um, I thinkmore so than anything, it's like almost

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all these topics we spend some amountof time with, but some of them
are a little bit like, Idon't know, obscured by how accessible they
are. And that's a weird thingto say, but one of them is
giant and so early on in theseason, UM, I thought one of
the things that was cool to youknow, set the tone a little bit.
We got the opportunity to sit downwith the um professor of what does

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he what course does he teach specifically? Um, it's religious. So yeah,
it's Saint Joseph University Professor of Theologyand Religion, our man Adam Stokes.
Um. He has a BA inReligion from Duke, a Masters in
Divinity from Yale. UM. Anotherreally really smart guy. Um. But
he really kind of just like setthe tone for some of the other thematic

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elements that we talked about, youknow, about giants later in the season.
And I thought he really helped usget a sense of no, this
is something that's like real simple archaeologicaldig sites that show this very clear divergence
in terms of people's size. Thereused to be a lot of really large
people in the mix. They werebigger, they were significantly bigger. And
I think, like, you know, whether it's the West Hickory case eighteen

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eighteen foot tall humans, whether it'sa Nephelim. Um. You know,
I think we spoke about Nephilim withat least three people this season. Um.
The ref I am some of theseother people from old Old Testament books.
Um. You know, some bookof Enoch has come up quite a
bit. Um. But I justthought that discussion was. It was really
illuminating for me in general, Idid not have as um, I don't

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know, in depth of knowledge ofhow serious and real this stuff is and
how potentially there's some other crossover withyou know, where did these genetic lineages
come from? You know, wespoke with Andrew Collins and some other people
about you know, the you knowDennis seven yea, Dennis Sevan Dennis seven
Um. However you'd like to pronouncethat, I think it's de nissive in

(30:03):
right, He's gonna make sure youdon't put the wrong and fastest indeed,
But just thinking about the genetic lineagesand just the way that Neanderthal DNA,
you know, has potentially pervaded somesome aspect of our lineage in ways that
maybe we don't understand as much,and potentially some other genetic information that really
did produce some massive people. Right. Um. It's a little bit different

(30:27):
than some of the things we talkedabout on the show, but really love
the Adam Stokes conversation. Same.Can you imagine though, real quick,
an eighteen foot tall dude like you'rea tall drink of milk, right,
dude, that's three times my hike, Yeah, sixty three, and that
person would tower over me. Yeah, poor buddy. Imagine like trying to
ghost sit down and just like havea normal sized meal when you're like eighteen

(30:51):
feet tall and probably whatever four hundred, five hundred pounds or whatever the masses.
It's like even cheesecake factory portions aren'tgoing to cut it. That.
It's like cheesecake factory portion you wouldneed like three of those meals just to
like have lunch. But I thinkthat could be cool, though, because
it's always so hard to decide,like sure, you know what I mean,
Yeah, and you don't want haveto like take stuff home and like
wherever, like to the massive cavethat he's like corried out or whatever,

(31:14):
and they're put in these like stupidplastic containers that are going to like pollute
the ocean. He's like, no, I want five of these meals and
I'm gonna eat him here right rightnow. They're like, whatever, sir,
whatever you want, it's fine.Yeah. Imagine him trying to sign
his bill with a pen, youknow, like fits in his two tiny
little fingers, look like a childusing just can't help And think of that

(31:36):
episode of the Office where Michael Scottgets a little super tiny cup and tells
Bam that he's I'm growing. Imeans so funny the express the espresso cup.
Right. No, I agree thatthe Adam Stokes conversation was so cool.
Um. I've done a little bitof like brushing up on the giant
stuff, but nowhere near to thelevel that I have with you know,
just ancient megalithic sites and lost civilizationand whatnot. And that conversation was wicked

(32:04):
intense. And he's another guy thatwe've been able to maintain a relationship with,
you know, since he's coming ontothe show. Um, he has
articles on the Lost Origins website thatis content that he's written specifically for that
website, So it's not content you'regoing to get anywhere else out there,
which is really neat um. Andthe guy is just a really good dude
and a family guy. And uh, I just I like, I like

(32:24):
seeing what he's got going on inhis life through social media and just you
know, the connections that we havein conversations. Great, such a good
human who next. Okay, thisone was a bucket list item for me.
I know you do so I severaltimes since the beginning of this show,

(32:45):
I have tried to figure out away to tunnel into this person's inbox
and with you know, with asubject line or you know, anything they
could get the attention because I knowhe's insanely busy. Um and I was
never suxessful. But at seatback,we were able to track him down,
right We legend Yeah, doctor Robertshock Man being able to not just pick

(33:09):
his brain, right, Like,the conversations that we get to have with
these people regardless of where they are, you know, on the earth because
of Skype is incredible. It's awesome. But the experience that we get when
we are eyeball to eyeball with themis night and day difference. And to
be able to sit in the roomwith doctor shock and like just look him

(33:30):
in the face when we're talking tohim and still see that after all these
years are doing this research and youknow, beating this drum and you know,
just sharing all of the things thathe's poured his life into, that
guy still gets so passionately stoked onthe stuff that he's working, one to

(33:50):
a degree where it's like it's contagious, right. Um, So being able
to talk to him about you knowthe younger, dryest and go back we
teppy and just everything solar solar flaresright. Like I can remember in season
one of Lost Origins, Um,I was reading Forgotten Civilization by Doctor Shock,
and I remember going over a StillivanDenver and I went over to this

(34:12):
little ramen joint it's like a blockand a half from my office for lunch
and just sat down or some ramenand just was reading that book and like
that. For some reason, Iwas always stuck out to me and to
be able to hear what I thought. I thought his words were going to
sound like in my brain coming outof his mouth, and then actually sit
with him in the room. Itwas just it was a really cool,

(34:35):
almost fanboy experience for me. Almostdude, you were like I guess you
were. You were like actually shiningin that entry. I look over a
couple of times and it was like, you're just beaming at this guy and
he's you know, he's a bigguy. Also he's he's a skinny,
like a wiry person, but he'salso extremely tall. Totally Um really lovely
wife research partner with whom he's doneso much of the work, and go

(35:00):
Letepe. She came and sat inthe interview with us as well. Great
conversation with both of them. Butyeah, man, I think, you
know, just in general, he'sone of those guys you know you read
his stuff when you're a kid,and then to see that he's still on
the forefront of a lot of thisstuff. And we also had just seen
his lecture you know, prior tothat as well, where he really went

(35:20):
through all of his own personal findingsthat go Beckley Teppe, you know,
spent time looking at like the youknow, new museum that they've set up
for it, and like all ofhis own personal anecdotes about the accuracies and
inaccuracies of you know, all ofthe stories that they're putting out there about
it. But you know, fewpeople have transformed the sort of landscape of

(35:42):
a lot of the models of historythen this guy, you know, and
you know, his work with doctorAnthony West, you know, I think
is you know, one of thedefinitive kind of partnerships in the mix.
And so it was also just likeso nice to see that this guy was
so just per humble kind. Yeah, like definitely, I think, um

(36:04):
I will say, just you know, shout out to you uh, you
know, you even got props fromhim in the discus. I don't know
if it was in the podcast orafter the podcast. It might have been
after the podcast when we were sittingdown and he's like, you know,
you had a lot of interview requests. A lot of these people trying to
interview stuff. They want to talkabout these things or that things, and
they you know, don't really knowwhat they're talking about. But he was
specifically saying that you were one ofthe most like informed people that has ever

(36:28):
you know, interviewed him. AndI was like, yeah, this is
my books sign as boobs, whichhe totally did with the sharpie. He
didn't do that then it tattooed forever, but yeah, what legend. Yes
and really cool. I feel likewe could have talked to him for a
lot longer, um, but hehad to get on, Like they had
their bags with them. They literallymade time for this to like right before

(36:50):
they had to get and go tothe airport. Again. I hope they
made it home, Okay, Yeah, I assume, Yeah, I assume
they did. I'm not sure.Yeah, I think they did. So
let me throw an unexpected question atyou, really before we talk about what
season four looks like there are thereany authors, researchers, minds, individuals
that you would like to have theopportunity to speak with throughout season four.

(37:15):
I would say I think that probablyI felt like we were a little bit
cheated by not being able to haveour conversation with Alan yep Um. We
for those who didn't hear about it, we got to sit down with Alan
Green very briefly. Um, buthe had some like laryngeal things going on,

(37:38):
like yeah, he can barely likespeak um. And you know,
real shame because the man has likewon His voice is like a song yeah.
Um, literally like it's nuts um. And you know, not even
related to the fact that so muchof his work is done within like you
know, the field of sonic geometryand sound forms in general role. But

(38:00):
yeah, I will say that's it'skind of like the one that got away
this season. And I know we're, you know, gonna make it happen.
It will absolutely go down. ButI would say that's it's not even
because it's low hanging fruit. It'slike the biggest conversation we didn't get to
have with this guy that we prepared, you know, with whom we put
for whom we prepared to speak tovery specific things, even dovetailing on some

(38:23):
of the other work with somebody elsethat I will also on the spot bring
up because I didn't bring him upbefore. I'm just to throw him in.
And it was one of those thingswhere like I was going to say
his name first in this list,but you know, I've kind of been
fan boying him too hard this lastseason, and you know, I don't
want him to think we're just overhere just talking about him the whole time.

(38:44):
But Robert Edward Grant, where's yourpants go? Dude? I know,
right now of a sudden, I'mnaked. Robert Edward Grant was legit
one of the most interesting conversations Ithink we've ever had. And obviously,
like I'm, you know, biggeek with a lot of the math part
of his work in general, butI don't think either of us were necessarily

(39:06):
prepared for just how like straightforward hewas about such complexity. Yeah, you
know, I mean this guy,when you know, when we talk about
sonic geometry really having a profound impacton not just the formation of matter,
the way that light moves through things, the way that sound affects, you
know, aspects of our life thatwe don't even realize. But you know,

(39:28):
we even got into crazy stuff likehis work in the cryptographic space now,
and I think in general, hewas one of those guys that,
like I know, at least personally, I had anticipated so much, like,
oh, I want to ask himthis question. I want to ask
him this question. And the interviewjust ripped by, and I was like,
oh man, we need like fourmore hours to talk to this guy.
And so for just to to youknow, speak to both of those

(39:50):
individuals, we have been communicating withthem in an ongoing capacity and both of
them are going to make an appearanceon season four, so they're both super
ready and willing to make the thinghappen. But I do gotta say,
that's the only time in the historyof the show that I've ever made a
reference to an orgasm in the conversation. He blew my mind, um,

(40:14):
and I expressed it, And itmight be the only time. That's weird
because I would think that you wouldbe making random jokes like that more often,
but you reserve that jokes about itthe only time I've ever made.
But he did never have to likepausitive interview, go change pants, like
come back in, pretend everything wascool, like have his security like,
you know, pat you down,and then go change pants again and then

(40:34):
be like, no, dude,I don't need to get patted. It's
unfair. I would agree. Ithink Alan Green and Robert Ever grant one
thousand percent season four, they gottabe on that roster. It's got to
happen. Those conversations are just goingto be insanity. And I will say
that, like, uh, asI'm looking back over this and I'm seeing

(40:58):
we're making all these fanboy joel um, you know, we probably need to
have more ladies on the show.Yeah, I would agree. You know,
like, as I've been looking atthe list in general, it's like
we had the opportunity to speak withdoctor Carmen Boulter, for instance, over
the course of our time at Seapackand Man or a smart woman just like
that person blew my mind with someof her experience with specifically the study of

(41:22):
divine feminine um, so of herown personal experiences just like her dream state
stuff. Um. And the factthat you know she leads tours you know
of these ancient sites you know inEgypt, and is you know, one
of the world's foremost experts in thisI felt like last season we had a
lot more women on the show.Yeah yeah, and so I think that's

(41:44):
one thing that we might need toshoot for next season as well. I
would agree, I would agree.I mean Sonia and Grace coming back would
be super cool. We did haveLucy Pringle on the show, and then
we also had Mary Rodwell. Ohyeah. One that got away for me
for this season that we never talkedabout on the show was doctor Heather Lynn.
She had to reschedule do some travelconflicts, but her book Evil Archaeology.

(42:09):
Man if if you enjoyed Doctor Carlsonstuff like she explores like demons and
possessions like all these like nice,it's super cool. I was really bummed
that that one didn't get to happen. But she's one that I'm like my
eye for season four. So I'llflipping around on you. Who are you
most eyeing on this giant scroll ofpeople with whom we're definitely going to are

(42:35):
possibly going to speak. Who's who'syour top of the list. That's a
big list, right, So oneis going to be in the same space
as Doctor Shock for sure. Fromseason one. I've always tried to get
this person to come out of theshow. I've met another person before.
We you know, we we exchangedemails, We've had conversations via email.
People have seen him on Joe Rogansome other awesome shows. It just never

(42:57):
worked out scheduling wise. But Hancockwould be unbelievable. That would be really
hard for me to not fanboy,but kind of like the og in the
space Ye yeah, we have toget through a few layers of security on
that one. Yeah for sure.But I think the next one this list
for me to be Frank is naSeem Harriman. Okay, what that guy

(43:19):
is doing, like the work thathe's doing, which is like reality consciousness,
Sacred Geometry does a lot of workwith Alan Green and Robert ever Grant.
I mean what the day after Sepack, the three of them rolled to
speak with the Dalai Lama about thisstuff. Yeah, no big deal,
No, a big deal. Justto pick his brain I think would be
one hell of an experience. Ohyeah, we gotta get him in the

(43:42):
mix. Yep, yep. Soif you guys have any requests for researchers,
authors, minds, guests, whatever, that you want us to reach
out to and try to coordinate themcoming onto the show. Hit us up
right either on social put a DMin our bucket, head over to the
website, just shoot us an emailthrough that let us know who you want
to hear from, and we'll dowhat we can to make it happen.

(44:02):
And you know, furthermore, ifyou are an author in this space and
you've been listening to the podcast,UM, reach out. I don't be
afraid to, you know, tryto do that cell promotion thing. We've
had a number of different guests onthe show who are pretty awesome with whom
we've spoken as a result of themreach out, reaching out and saying,
hey, guys, have you seenmy work? Yeah? Right, Like,

(44:23):
yeah, what arect example love votingwould a great person And so,
you know, with that being said, UM, I think, you know,
longtime listeners of the show, peoplewho have been following Andrew since season
one, know that there was,you know, a pretty gnarly gap in
between season one and season two whenI finally joined up with this amazing circus

(44:46):
of a parade. UM. AndI just I think in general, some
people probably have some PTSD or orsome kind of like residual memories there where,
like dude, don't play me out. You know again, I know
it takes a lot to do thepodcast, but I kind of you know,
we've we've been blessed by having alot of people who listened to the
show weekly. UM, and reallygotten used to Um. You know,

(45:07):
Andrew, just another quick shout out. Andrew does all this production, you
know, on his own. Youknow, we don't have you know,
we have another team that helps witha lot of the other aspects of the
show. But Andrew really has tohit There's tons of work. He is
a full time job, you know, it's kind of an important dude and
another software company, get all theseother things gone on. But um,

(45:29):
you know I get to just showup and have great conversations with people,
do the thing, shout into amic, see my boy. Um,
but this is a lot of work. It's it's you know, it's it's
a ton of work. Um.And I've seen it, you know,
take over various aspects of your lifeof the course the last couple of seasons.
Um. And so you know,one of the things that Andrew and
I have been discussing is we're definitelydoing a fourth season yep, to just

(45:51):
know that that's happening. Um,but we you know, we want to
be able to dig in and keepthe level of quality really high. Yeah,
for sure, make sure that wespeak with people that you know are
doing the cutting edge work in alot of these spaces. But also not
like murder of you know, ourlives with trying to do this at midnight,
you know, day before or somethingdrops. So in between season three

(46:15):
and season four, we're gonna takea little hiatus. It's a little break,
just a little break, but we'regonna be strategic about it too.
Right. You guys have been reallyreally good about sharing your thoughts and feedback
regarding the show, the formats,the different things that we've experimented with,
and we appreciate the hell out ofthat, right. You know, we
get a lot of emails, andwe get a lot of messages and social

(46:37):
media and whatnot. We've gotten afew carrier pigeons, and like all the
things, you know, we lookat all of them. You know,
just because we don't implement a thingthat you recommend, it doesn't mean that
it wasn't something that we considered byit or that it's not still in a
list exactly exactly. And so youknow, for me, like kind of
taking a step back for a momentis more of a benefit for you guys

(47:00):
from a strategic standpoint, because it'sgoing to give us the runway to really
think through, Okay, what werethe things that the majority of the audience
really really connected with, what werethe things that we were hearing from people
multiple people as new ideas that shouldbe implemented. And then, like you
said, who's on the cutting edgethat maybe we have not had on the
show before, or we have,but we need to talk about a different

(47:22):
thing, like how can we takewhat we've done in the last year and
just elevate it to a whole otherlevel. And so that's really what's driving
us kind of taken a second andbeing super planned out about season four.
We wanted to be the best seasonyet straight up and keep those keep those
things coming, you know, inthe We're gonna you know, stay engaged

(47:44):
and we'll be uh, you know, continuing to check those emails, look
at social you know, look atall those dms, and so you know,
I hope you guys have seen andmany people have heard like, yeah,
we do make adjustments based on whatpeople you know say to us.
We you know, if we'd getsomething wrong, you've heard us correct ourselves
because you know, audience gives usa shout about something, and so in

(48:04):
this you know probably you know,a couple month period or so, if
you have some ideas or you havesome things. Hey, guys, I
never want you to say that wordagain. You know you guys, uh
say peel my wig too much?Or you guys say this thing or that
thing. If you guys say unpackone more time, I'm gonna find where
you guys record and tape your mouth. Show. We've done a pretty good
job. We reduced. Yeah,we have brought the packing tape over just

(48:30):
to record. But yeah, likeall that stuff, like Andrew saying,
just makes makes the pod so muchbetter. Um, And we really appreciate
it, and it's we see itas kind of one of those things where
it's like only our friends tell youwhen you have something in your teeth.
Um. And you know, listenersof the show we consider friends. UM.
And you've helped us improve quite abit and hopefully we come back bigger,

(48:51):
better and better, um than theshow's ever been. So much.
I be eighteen feet tall that wouldbe so inconvenient for the cast. Dude,
like Adams change this up. Iabsolutely felt that. But it's just
like the reality of trying to getyou those five courses from cheesecake factory and
like having to change the mics.There's a lot of fit in this house.

(49:14):
Yeah, I would like I wouldlike to feet fine, Yeah,
that's twice. I mean that's morethan twice what I am. Now,
that's good. That's good. We'llgo to could do twelve. It's gonna
be big, guys, Just huge. Tace yourself, huge, guys,
and hopefully you know when we comeback, Um, the world's not on
fire. A lot of cool thingsare happening. Hopefully podcasts are still a
thing. Yeah, hopefully, likethe Internet still functioning, and you know,

(49:37):
phones still work and stuff, andthere'sn't some sort of zombocalypse happening where
people are like all shuttered up intheir home worried about like the like really
fast climby World War Z type zombies, the worst ones. But if that's
happening, go ahead before it happensand email us your address of where you
believe that you are going to bemost likely to be and we will record

(49:58):
onto a cassette tape, send itto you. Yeah, we'll just mail
it to you. It's fine.Yeah, but maybe there's like a bottle
of water or something that's say,something good I don't know, man or
something handgun or whatever the like keysurvival supplies are at the time. Yeah,
we'll throw it down. It's probablygonna be like a note in there
about great courses plus or like,guys, when in traditions comes back,

(50:19):
check it out, let's forget.But man, what a fun season though,
like trip to California, all theseconversations. It's been so many cool
people, so much cool stuff,and you know most of all you've heard
us talk about this, uh,you know so often. But for real,
guys, just knowing that we're speakingto tens of thousands of people out
there. Um, you know,doesn't matter if you check in every episode,

(50:42):
or you miss an episode, oryou pop in and out, or
you're just some person who just wantsto like, you know, yell at
us on the reviews or something likethat. Bottom line is, even if
it was just two people out therefor whom we have you know, made
a difference or brought some information toyou or you know, filled an hour
or of your you know week,or something with something that's kind of cool
like this is why we do theshow. Love talking to authors, love

(51:06):
talking to researchers, but just youknow, having some people out there for
whom this matters makes all the difference. So thank you to everybody who's listened
to hours of dribble from the twoof us, hours of much cooler,
more important conversations with other people whoaren't us. Yeah, the support means
the world to us. Every emailthat you guys send, um, I

(51:27):
mean, it's incredible to see theimpact that it's had on you know,
the few of you that have reachedout. When you compare that to you
know, how many people listen tothe show every week, it is unbelievable
and we appreciate the shit out ofevery single one of you. So thank
you so much for you know,making season two and season three what it
was for us. Cannot say thankyou enough. So well, for a

(51:50):
hot minute, let's say this onelast time. I guess right, smash
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