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Now part of the dark Cast network. Welcome to indie
podcasts with a Dark Side. On October twenty fifth, twenty eighteen,
a sixty four year old Athena Valentini failed to show
up to work. The police were called out to perform
a welfare check at her Grover Beach, California condo. They
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arrived at eleven am and discovered her body in the bedroom,
slumped over on the floor and covered in quote a
large amount of blood. They deduced that she died from
a stab woom in her neck. There was no sign
of a break in, theft or a struggle, and autopsy
later revealed that Athena had died from multiple stab wounds
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with her throats slashed, but investigators found no murder weapon
at the scene. Police had their work cut out for
them in finding out who did this. Welcome Lambs, Welcome
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back into your episode. Born around nineteen fifty four, Athena
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Valentini was described as helpful and kind for her entire life,
even when she was a kid. That's how they described her.
Athena had a dedicated career in the California Department of
Corrections and Rehability. She began working as a license of
vocational nurse in twenty eleven and had been working at
the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo since twenty thirteen.
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I Hope. I said that right before this, Athena had
worked at the California State Prison in Corcoran, still in
the field of correctional health care, so it does look
like she lived up to her name. She was described
as helpful and kind for her entire life. Then she
went into nursing, but she went into nursing in the
correctional health care field, so she's still living up to
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her name. Colleagues remembered Athena fondly, describing her as a strong, loving,
and caring individual. One coworker said, quote, her and I
connected from the very beginning. She's a good person. She's strong,
very loving, and caring. In her free time, Athena enjoyed
walking her dog, which also had gone missing after she died.
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After getting married, Athena gave birth to a son, Levente
Las Lazarre, in the early nineteen nineties, and always spoke
highly of him. At the time of this case, he
was attending college in Bloomington, Indiana. Despite the physical distance
between them, they maintained a close relationship. Shelby Holmes, who
was a friend of Athena, said, quote, they had a
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great relationship. They talked every day over the phone. Athena
lived in a condo in Grover Beach, as well as
owned and rented out another condo in Woodland Hills. On
October twenty fourth, twenty eighteen. This was just another day
for Athena, as she went to work and came home
in the afternoon. After police found her murdered on October
twenty fifth, they blocked off the surrounding streets and interviewed coworkers,
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friends and acquaintances. They also looked through surveillance footage leading
up to her house. The footage showed Athena leaving her
house to run errands, walking her dog, and basically returning
back home. She got back home from work at around
two thirty nine pm and left to get at around
three point thirteen pm. At three twenty six a car
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was seen parking in front of her house before making
a U turn and driving away. Athena then got home
like twenty minutes later at three forty one pm, and
was last seen alive cleaning her car at six pm.
Most importantly, the video evidence didn't show any signs of
altercations or arguments with anyone. However, even though the video
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evidence didn't show any signs of altercation. The most crucial
evidence came from video footage showing a person matching Levente's
description walking towards Athena's house at six thirty four pm.
This person appeared to be on a cell phone. At
ten fifty one pm, the same person was seen leaving
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Athena's house, followed by her unleashed dog. Since this person
strongly resembled Athena's son, police started looking into him. First.
They were very so price to find out that Levente
had driven more than twenty four hundred miles on October
twenty fourth from his school to his mother's house, so
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that's foury twenty three point three six kilometers. Then they
found out that he'd bought a prepaid cricket cell using
a different name and used a PO box in Cincinnati
as the address. Levente's movements were tracked through his cell
phone activity and surveillance footage. His burner phone interacted with
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cell towers along Highway one sixty six through Bakersfield the
day after Athena's body was discovered. Levente's online activities also
raised suspicion. At eleven oh three am on October twenty fifth,
Levente searched Google for quote homicide Grover Beach, Ninth Street,
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end quote Levente Lazarre suspect Grover Beach end quote Levente
Lazarre murder, Grover Beach and also quote Grover Beach murder.
He was using a McDonald's WiFi in Winslow, Arizona when
he did that, so basically he's driving back to school
going back. Police also found that on October twenty third,
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Levente searched about topics related to murder and probate. He
also searched for if a murderer can inherit from a
will and how does probate work if the decendant is murdered. Now,
the interesting thing is these searches were made before law
enforcement even discovered Athena's body. So he's searching for Levente Lazar,
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suspect Grover Beach, and homicide Grover Beach, ninth Street and
Grover Beach murder and all this stuff before police even
found her body. So it's like, how did you know
there was a murder? Why do you think they would
have been searching Levente Lazar murder or suspect Grover Beach
before they even found her body and even realized it
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was a murder. Detectives also discovered that Levente had asked
about the value of his mother's property and estate a
few months before her death. You know, children like this,
I don't understand y'all couldn't have just asked your mom
for money. Like y'all didn't have a bad relationship. You
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couldn't have just said mom, I need some money. Instead,
you decided to try and become double O seven to
murder your mother who gave birth to you and raised you,
and money was more important to you than your mother.
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Uugh Levente, who was twenty six years old at the
time of this case, led a life that appaired ordinary
on the surface, but police actually revealed that he had
a bunch of financial troubles. By October twenty eighteen, his
bank account was a mere twenty two hundred dollar with
about six thousand dollars spread across three brokerage accounts. And
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this is what they said, a mayre twenty two hundred dollars.
I know some people wish they had twenty twenty two
hundred dollars in their bank, But you know, I guess
if he came from a household of wealth. It was
a mayor, twenty two hundred dollars. What am I going
to do? It is twenty two hundred dollars. That's the
price of my coffee. He owed sixty nine thousand, eight
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hundred twenty nine dollars in student loans and had accumulated
a twelve thousand, two hundred twenty six dollars and eighty
four cent debt to the irs. In an attempt to
alleviate his financial issues, Levente agreed to sell an annuity
he was set to receive at the age of thirty.
Instead of waiting for the full two hundred thirty six thousand,
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three hundred and twelve payment in twenty twenty two, he
opted for an immediate payout of one hundred eighty six
thousand dollars. Clearly, this dude does not know anything about money. Dude,
you just had four years to wait and you would
have gotten two hundred thirty six thousand dollars, and you
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opted to take out the immediate one hundred and eighty
six thousand dollars. Student loans weren't going anywhere. You could
have paid the minimum of your student loans while you
were waiting for your payout in four years. Four years.
I wish I was waiting four years for two hundred
and thirty six thousand dollars to fall into my lap.
You also could have just gotten a job. You could
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have worked for four years until your two hundred thirty
six thousand dollars came in. But you could have worked instead.
You set your mind to take in that time that
you could have been filling out job applications and shit
to going down and figuring out, first of all, figuring
out how to murder your mom and not get caught.
Clearly you're pretty dumb because you then searched your name
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and all this other stuff and was like, well, I
have a burner phone. Police will never track me here.
Like you set your mind to do this, and you're
so horrible at it, just like you're horrible at money.
You could have just gotten a job, dealt with your
financial issues, even asked your mother for help, and even
if she said no, she's in her complete right because
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she didn't help you get this debt. And you could
have just been a man or been a decent human being,
because whether a man or woman, you could have just
been a decent human being. A grown person and dealt
with your financial troubles. It is what it is. One
of the most significant pieces of physical evidence was the
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original copy of Athena's newly drafted will and testament. Police
found out that Athena had named Levente as the executor
and primary beneficiary of her will. She also named him
as the sole beneficiary of her retirement account. This discovery
provided a strong motive for premeditated murder, suggesting that Leven
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had killed his mother for financial gain. Now my thing is,
your mom thought about you when she was going to die.
She thought about one day I'm going to die, let
me make sure that my precious loving son is going
to be taken care of the money that I worked
for all these years taking care of other people. Let
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me make sure he gets it. And her bitch ass
son said, Nah, I can't wait that long. I'm gonna
make that happen now. Anyways. Continuing on in the investigation,
the Burner phone traveled to California between October twenty third
and October twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, communicating with Athena's phone
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twenty times. On the day of her death, then Levente's
movements were captured on security footage from Athena's condo complex. Later,
on the evening off of October twenty fourth, at six
twenty pm, video shows Levente driving northbound on Ninth Street,
about two blocks from Athena's house. In November twenty eighteen, Levente,
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thinking that he's smarter than the average beer, voluntarily came
to the Bloomington police station. He waved his Miranda rights
and spoke with investigator Casey Neil. So he basically went
in there trying to look like he's cooperating with investigators,
and he's like, you know, I'm innocent, so I don't
need my Miranda rights issue on an issue too. You
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think you're so smart, but you actually know nothing, which
clearly we know if you decided that the answer to
all your financial issues was to murder your mom, so
clearly we know that you're not all there. And I
don't mean mental health wise, I mean you're stupid. During
the interview, Levna gave Neil permission to search his Galaxy phone. Yes,
you can search my phone. You'll find nothing on deer
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because he doesn't know that I had a burner phone,
So he said, you can search my Galaxy phone. You
can search my apartment, and you can search my financial records.
So he gave Neil the password to all of his
electronic devices. Initially, Levente denied that he'd been to California
since January twenty eighteen. He said that that was the
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last time he had seen his mother. He said he
had remained within one hundred miles of Bluemington since then,
and that the last conversation he'd had with Athena was
a two minute phone call on October twenty second. I'm
gonna let you know right now, you just gave way
too much information, sir, because I talked to my mom often,
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and I can't even tell you how frickin' long I
stayed on the phone with her the last time I
talked to her, which was probably like yesterday. It wasn't yesterday,
but it was just a couple of days ago, and
I don't remember exactly how long I stayed on the
phone with her. And if police pulled me over right
now to ask me, when's the last time you talked
to your mom, I'd be like, uh, I'm not gonna remember.
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October twenty second for two minutes, exactly two minutes. I
was eating a donut at the time when she called,
and the sun was shining in the about to I'm
not gonna remember all those details. You remembered a little
bit too much, sir. So when police said, okay, you
don't have any other phone other than this galaxy, he said, no,
I don't. They said, oh, that's that's very interesting. We
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found this cricket phone. And he was like, nah, I
never bought a cricket phone. And they said, okay, so
if we went through your search history, there'd be nothing
murdery in there, and he was like, no, why would
I search anything murder related. You can go through my
Internet browsing history. So he keeps talking to the police,
and he talks about how he trained his mother's dog
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to follow him or follow his mom without a leash,
because I'm such a great son. But he said the
dog would also listen to other people that it knew.
Leveni also told Neil that he'd recently completed a master's
degree in history and that he was employed by Walt
Disney Publishing. He said that he was a stock trader
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and had accounts with two brokerage houses. He said he
had one hundred thousand dollars or more in his brokerage
accounts and seven thousand dollars to eight thousand dollars in
his bank account. He also said he had annuity that
would pay two hundred thirty six thousand in four years
when he turned thirty. Little did he know that police
already knew what was going on, and they're just staring
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at him while he's lying his ass off. But he
said he wanted to sell his annuity now because he
wanted to make a down payment on a house for
himself and his girlfriend. And he continued to deny that
he traveled to California. He continued to deny that he
killed his mother, and he said he had no motive
in killing his mother. Why would I do that? Clearly
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I have enough money and I love my mom. She's
a great woman. Why would I kill her? So, after
Neil finished listening to his blubberin, he said, Okay, well,
here's this cricket phone and we tracked it from your
place in Indiana, oh, all the way down to your
mom's house. Also, you said you had seven to eight
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thousand dollars in your bank account. But sir, I don't
know if you can't see, or you can't read, or
you're just plain old stupid. But I see here, and
he pushes, like the bank account. This is what I'm
thinking in my head, because this is what I would do,
And he slowly pushes the bank account statement in front
of him. I see here that you have twenty two
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hundred dollars in your bank account. Then you said you
had one hundred thousand dollars or more or more, not
less in your brokerage accounts. But I see here that
you have about six thousand dollars, sir, spread across three
brokerage accounts. Your name is Levente Lazarre. Yes, So then
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Levente started admitted some things. So when they said here's
the cricket phone, he said, oh, that that cell phone.
You asked me if I had another cell phone, but
you didn't ask me if I had a cricket phone.
You know, there's the distinction there, cell phones cricket phone.
Now I didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did get
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a cricket phone. And then they said, okay, well we
see that you traveled to California. Oh that California. Yo.
When you said California, I thought I heard like California, Florida,
and I've never been to that city, California, Florida. I
also thought that you were talking about California, England, and
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I've never been to California, England, but you're talking about
California on the West coast. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
did drive to that California. You gotta be specific, Officer
when you say these things, because you know, I just
I didn't understand what you were saying. He said, Yeah,
I did go to that California on the West coast
of the United States. But I went because I wanted
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to buy some marijuana legally, because you know over here
you can't do it. But I did want to go
over there and get some marijuana, you know. So I
did go to California, and I stopped in Los Angeles
to buy the marijuana, and then I forgot, you know.
I said, I hadn't seen my mom in a while,
but I did stop to make a surprise visit to her.
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It's all coming back to me now, and it's all
coming back to me now. I did stop by my mom.
It was just a surprise visit. I just completely forgot
about it because of the stress of everything that was
going on. I completely forgot. I remember that I talked
to her for two minutes on October twenty second, but
I completely forgot about all of this because of the
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stress of what's going on. You have to understand, Officer,
I am so stressed out. I did visit my mom
because I wanted to get this ring from her, because
I wanted to give it to my girlfriend because I'm
a douchebag, and I want to give her a promise
ring because I'm five. So he said, yeah, I did
go to her house to get that promised ring, and
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this was the twenty fourth, but she wasn't there, so
I didn't see her. I did call her cell phone,
but she didn't answer, and I just figured she was
at work. So I went by her house and then
just went back to Indiana without seeing her because I
had to get back there. I have other plans. And
they said, well, why didn't you just, you know, cancel
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your plans and stay with your mom, And he said,
n no, because she would have tried to talk me
into staying for a week, and I just I didn't
have time for that right now. And they said, okay,
so why did you lie about not traveling to California,
and he said, well, to be honest, I was really
worried about that because I did purchase marijuana, and I
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think transported it across state lines is a federal crime.
So I didn't want to tell y'all about that. And
then when investigators reminded him that he has a balance
of twenty two hundred dollars and not six thousand to
eight thousand dollars like he said, and a student loan
of sixty nine, eight hundred twenty nine dollars, he was like, well, yeah,
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on my student loan, I'm paying fourteen dollars and eighty
four cents a month on that. And they said, okay,
you owe the irs twelve thousand dollars and he was
like yeah. And then he goes, well, at the time
of your mom's death, she was worth about four hundred
and ninety three thousand, four hundred and twelve dollars, and
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then also with her two condos and her retirement. Interestingly,
that all goes to you. What do you have to
say about that? And he said, in my head, this
is what happened. And he said, uh, yeah, he didn't
really say that, but I mean, what can you say?
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What are you gonna say, yeah, I lied about every
frickin thing I told you, and I didn't know that
you had all that information. So now I'm pissing myself,
so in my head, he just sat there like, uh.
So he was arrested. His trial started on October second,
twenty nineteen, and lasted three weeks. Jurors were presented with
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electronic and physical evidence, including Levente's Internet search histories, surveillance footage,
and the discovery of his mother's will that had been
in his possession. Levente, being the genius, oh genius that
he is, testified on his own behalf, admitted that he
had lied to investigator Neil. He claimed he had lied
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about not going to California because you know about the
weed transport a cross state lines, blah blah blah. He
also denied being the person that they saw in the
video walking towards his mother's condo. Then he went on
to describe several ways in which he claimed the individual
in the footage differed for him from him. If you
can see your honor, he has auburn I mean I
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have auburn hair, but my auburn is a couple shades
darker than his dark auburn hair. If you can see
your honor, he has a mustache. Clearly my face is
clean today. It's like, what these are things I'm just
saying in my head? In the reports it just said,
he just described several ways that the individuals different from him.
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The prosecution presented a compelling case against Levente, which I
could have presented a compelling case against Levente. They alleged
that they said that Levente killed his mother to speed
up his inheritance and liquidate her assets to pay off
debt and tax liens before he planned to get married,
which then part of that money would probably go to
his wedding too. The District Attorney's office showcased electronic and
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physical evidence demonstrating Levente's forty four hundred mile round trip
from Bloomington to Grover Beach, which just happened to coincide
with the date of Athenis Stabin. They also revealed self
records showing Levente's Berna phone interacting with towers along the
root across the countries and calling his mother twenty times.
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They also showed all online searches Levente made about the
murder and the inheritance, and brought up that the searches
that he'd made for news article naming him as the
suspect was before her body had even been discovered. Surveillance
footage and street cameras were presented showing Levente driving up
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to Athena's Grover Beach condo and later walking away from
her residence trailed by the dog, which still was never found.
They also told the jury that Athena's will, which named
Levente as the beneficiary, was discovered in his Indiana home.
So like, what can you say? My thing is maybe
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he can say that wasn't me in the video. Okay,
you know the dog follows other people they know, SOI
have been somebody else that my mom knew that went
in there and murdered her. Okay, I don't know what
you could say about the Berner phone. Why did you
buy the Berner phone? And why did you call your
mom twenty times and then lied to the police that
you didn't call her on you The last time you
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called her was what October twenty second? He said, I
don't know how you could come back for that from
that one. But to me, the most damned piece of
evidence was the online searches you made before your mother's
body was even found. How in the frick would you
explain those away? That's to me, if I was on
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the jury, that would be my most damned piece of
evidence because everything else could possibly be explained away. The
burner phone cannot the complete lying, even though you tried
to explain it. As I can understand the traveling across
state lines, Okay, you can explain that away, but the
burner phone. Why'd you have to buy that line about
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your bank account finances, which I guess your thing would be, well,
I didn't want to be a suspect, But then again,
if you had just told the truth, you're just broke, okay.
But the number one is the search history. Who searches
for that shit before you even know your mom was dead?
You know? And then the second thing is the bernafone.
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As a juror, you're guilty already to me. Just from
that evidence, You're guilty to me. The defense's strategy primarily
relied on Levente's testimony, which I mean, they just was like, well,
at least I'm just getting paid because I ain't gonna
win this. As the only witness for the defense, the
only witness. He told the jury that he went out
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to California to get the weed, like I said, and
to get the ring from his girl for his girlfriend,
neither of which, by the way, were found or gotten
or evidenced that anything. And then he also insinuated that
maybe his mother was killed by a past boyfriend or
a husband, and it's like, yeah, your mom has many
husbands and boyfriends that resemble you, really, meaning the person
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they saw on the security footage, which looked exactly like Levente.
He then claimed that in mid October, he had started
talking to his mother about making the trip from Indiana
to California, and oh, here it goes. This is how
he talked away the cell phone. He said he bought
a Berna phone to prevent his girlfriend from finding out.
I mean, you could have just deleted your phone history
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or whatever to prevent your girlfriend from finding out. It's
not going to stop the cops from finding out. But
you could have done that to stop your girlfriend from
finding out. So that's that's a bullshit, lame excuse. He
also testified that he had recently lost a significant portion
of his inheritance between forty thousand and fifty thousand, and
that his mother was the only one who knew about
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this financial setback. He stated that he discussed this loss
at length with her because she was quote financially astute,
and she saved all her money. Yet that's not making
you look any better, Levente. So the jury could basically
agrees with me, because despite his attempts to explain his actions,
they found the evidence against him overwhelming, and on October
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twenty one, twenty nineteen, he was found guilty of first
degree murder with enhancements for using a deadly weapon and
committing the crime of financial gain. On December eleventh, twenty nineteen,
Levente was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
of parole. San Louis Obispo District Attorney Dan Dell stated, quote,
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while no amount of punishment will bring our victim, Athena
Villini back, a sentence of life in prison without the
possibility of parole is a just outcome for this senseless murder.
And Levente is currently serving out his sentence at the
California Medical Facility in Vacaville, California. What do y'all think
about that case? This entitled spoiled manchild murdered his mom
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because of money, and it wasn't How long do you
think that amount of money was gonna last, sir? You
murdered your mom for money that might last you with
your financially unsavvy ass maybe about a couple years, maybe
about a couple years, or maybe you would try and
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make it last of four years until you got your
other inheritance money. But then that would have lasted what
another four years, and then you would have been broke.
And then what would you have done, because if you
asked your mom for help, even if she didn't help you,
you would have still had somebody in your corner for
the rest of your life. Now, Max, if you had
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gotten away with it, which you're too stupid, but if
you had gotten away with it, you would have Max
had a security nest for like eight years. I know
you wouldn't have been financially savvy enough to effectively carry
on those rentals. You probably and all your stupidity, would
have sold both of those condos thinking of the now
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and not the long term, because clearly that's how you
think you thought. Let me murder my mom now to
get the money now instead of thinking of long term.
I love my mother. She'll always be there for me.
She'll always be there to help me. Long term. For
everything that she's done for me, I could do back
for her, you know, get a job, whatever long term
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you're thinking in the now. So I know you would
have sold those two condos because you would have thought
about the money now. Then you would have blown through
that money. And then what then? What were you gonna
try and marry a woman with money? You would have
left the woman that you're with if she doesn't have money.
I don't know anything about her, but if she didn't
have money, you would have left the woman you're with
and try and find you a woman that has money.
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And then what murdered her? And then on and on
the cycle. What was your plan for life? Sir? And
you said you had a job, get a freaking better job,
get a second job, work, ot like, There's so many
other options, but you decided your only course of action
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was to murder your mom and then come up with
the most asinine the lies. You had an excuse for everything.
What was your excuse for searching those things before even
the police knew there was a murder? This is my
question to you. I want to know what your answers
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to that was he probably would have said something like
the police planted it or some crap like that, because
there's no coming out of that. There's no way you
could explain that away. And I'm telling you right now,
I bet you he still maintains his innocence and says
it was one of her husbands or her boyfriends. It
just so happened to coincide with the fact that she
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changed everything in his name, and later, like a couple
months later, she's found murdered. Just a happy coincidence. And
when she's found murdered on your way back from doing
it before anybody even knew, you're doing these searches and
you're calling a brokerage account or whoever to find out
the terms of her will. It all just was happenstance,
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and you are innocent and in the wrong place at
the wrong time. You complete utter garbage pan full of
trash of a human for murdering your mom when all
she was doing was thinking about you. Anyways, you know
my thoughts on the case. I now want to hear
your thoughts on the case. What do y'all think about
this case? And right now, just a little update, I
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am prepping to have the last two weeks in December off.
Like I told y'alls, I'm really scrambling to get episodes
together and pre recorded and posted and everything like that.
So I'm really, really, really busy on the back end.
So I did say I was going to get back
to your comments this week, but actually I'm gonna get
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back to your comments when we come back for season
five in January. So I hope y'all are okay with that.
But I'm not trying to cause y'all have to understand.
I have to gather your comments from all over the net,
put it in one place, market for the days that
it comes out, everything like that. So that's a whole
other job in itself. And as you know, I haven't
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had the best of luck in finding people to hire
who actually want to do the work, and I'm completely
done with that because that takes up time in itself.
So it's just me doing this. So I would just
ask if y'all are patient with me, I am going
to go back to reading your comments, so don't stop
sending in your comments. But because I'm really really busy
in prepping to at least take two weeks off in
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December without y'all losing your episodes that are coming out.
I'm going to take that time put it into getting
great episodes together, and then while I'm on my quote vacation,
I'm going to be gathering your comments and doing all
that stuff. So I hope I explained this correctly. I'm
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not stopping the portion where I read your comments. It's
just on pause for the rest of December and it
will start again in January. So please be patient with me,
and also please don't stop sending in your comments. You
can comment below any episode on whatever platform you're on
and let me know what your thoughts are on those episodes.
Don't forget I have a huge back catalog of episodes.
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If you're new here, you can always go through that
back catalog. If you're not new here and you want
more episodes to listen to, I have a huge back
catalog of bonuses in the Patreon Patreon dot com Forward
Slash Love and Murder, which we do have a sale
going on in December right now where you get half
off the first month, so come on in you want
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to listen to more episodes. I have a huge back
catalog there. If you go through the back catalog of
Love and Murder. You'll hear the evolution of the podcast.
How I started out with a co host, how cringey
it was back then. How then the co host left
and then it was just me. Then I got another
co host, and then that fell off and it became
what it is today. But I think what it is
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today is better than what it was in the past.
So we all go through stuff for a reason, and
I think Love and Murder is better for the evolution
that it did go through. It helped me find my voice,
It helped us get together, and here we are today.
So I'm very thankful for the evolution that Love and
Murder went through, even though when I listened to my
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past episode it was so cringey. Oh my god. So
either way, all that to say that your comments will
come back in January. So I was in the middle
of saying that you can leave your thoughts in the
comments below on whatever platform you're on. Let me know
what you think about this episode. It will get read
out in season five. Also, you can just record your
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comments on your phone and then email it to me
No Conduct Radio at gmail dot com, or you can
go to the website Murder in love dot com and
hit that SOS button. I think with the SOS though,
you only have thirty seconds to record your comment. So
either way, those are three ways that you can get
your comments to me. If you do send in either
voice message with the email or the SOS, that will
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be played so you can hear your voice on the podcast.
If you send in your written comment, I will just
read it out. So let me know your thoughts on
this Levente Lazarre murder case. Let me know if you
were in the jury, what is the exact evidence that
would have made you find him guilty or not guilty.
I want to hear from you. Let me know in
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the comments below. And that is all I have for
you today. And as we end each full episode, I
want to remind you that it's say it with me now,
all love and no murder. Y'all seen in the next episode. Bye.