Doctor by Day, Killer by Night - A Son Exposes His Father | John Boyle Jr.

Just after 3 a.m. on December 31, 1989, Collier Boyle heard the sound of raised voices, followed by two loud thuds, and then nothing. By morning, his mother, Noreen, was missing. His father, John Boyle Jr., claimed she’d left for a trip, but the suitcase she always used was still there, untouched. So was her purse.

Collier asked questions that no one seemed willing to answer. As suspicion grew, so did the weight of what he knew. Eventually, it would be his voice—his testimony—that unraveled the story his father tried so hard to hide.

This episode traces the truth behind Noreen Boyle’s disappearance and the courage of a boy who spoke up, even when it meant turning in his own father.

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Now part of the dark Cast Network. Welcome to indie
podcasts with a Dark Side. Just before the clock struck
nineteen ninety In the early morning hours of December thirty first,
nineteen eighty nine, eleven year old Collier Boyle was jolted
awake in his Man's Field, Ohio home. He heard a

(00:21):
scream followed by two loud thuds coming from his mother,
Noreene's bedroom. The glow of his batman clock said that
the time was three seventeen am. Young Collier held his
breath while asking himself a bunch of questions. Just then,
heavy footsteps passed outside his bedroom door before fading into

(00:43):
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love and Murder. The next morning, Collier rushed to his
mom's bedroom, only to find it empty. He then went
to his father, who was sitting calmly on the living

(02:09):
room couch. John Boyle Junior told him, quote, Mommy went
on a little vacation, but Collier knew his mother would
never leave him or his younger sister Elizabeth without saying goodbye.
John must have picked up on his doubt because he
suddenly yelled at him, quote, I never laid a finger
on mommy. And then he warned him not to call

(02:29):
the police. I mean, that's kind of a weird warning. Actually,
both him and his mother, Christine Boyle, Collier's grandmother, told
him not to call the police, saying that he would
be punished if he disobeyed, but Collier didn't listen. He
waited until no one was around, then dug into his garfield,
the cat's stuffed animal, where he'd hidden a list of

(02:52):
his mother's closest friends and family. He started making calls
one by one, and on January second, nineteen ninety, one
of those friends reported Noreen missing, and a police investigation started.
John Francis Boyle Junior, who went by Jack, was from
Irish and Italian roots and was born on May first,

(03:14):
nineteen forty three, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He grew up poor
and went on to serve in the Navy, but even
that may be a lie, because apparently a lot of
the stories he told about his military career, like claiming
to be a fighter pilot or flight surgeon. Actually that
turned out to be a complete lie when people looked
into it. Anyway, He met Noreen Marie Schmid when she

(03:37):
was sixteen and he was nineteen at a drive in diner.
Noreen was from a working class background and worked as
a dental hygienist. She supported Jack through medical school at
the University of Pennsylvania, where he specialized in osteopathy. The
couple married and bounced around a bit before settling in Mansfield,
Ohio in nineteen eighty three. They shared two chi children, Collier,

(04:01):
their biological son, and three year old Elizabeth, who they
had adopted from China. From the outside, it looked like
they were living the dream, a successful doctor with a
photogenic family. That quote looked like they stepped from the
pages of a magazine and even included a wire fox
terrier named Goudy. Jack ran a thriving medical practice, with

(04:22):
quote about one in every thirteen Richland County residents being
his patients. He even took his son with him on
house calls. Noreen was a stay at home mother and
a socialite. Quote the light of people's lives. People loved her.
She was warm, generous, and always trying to connect with others.
While she sometimes embellished her past, claiming to have grown

(04:44):
up in a mansion or held an MBA from Morden,
Collier remembered her as someone who quote really embodied how
can I connect with you? And taught him to genuinely
care about others. But behind closed doors, it was a
different story. John was just described as quote a rage
aholick with a quote Jekyl and hide personality. He was

(05:06):
controlling and constantly abusive towards his family. Collier says that
he was called a quote stupid little fat boy and
quote the F word faggot by his own father. He
also had a long string of affears that Noreen quietly
tolerated well at least for a while, mostly because she

(05:28):
didn't want her kids growing up in a broken home.
That all started to fall apart in nineteen eighty nine.
Collier was eleven when he met one of his father's mistresses,
a twenty seven year old woman named Sherri Lee Campbell.
Not long after, he noticed Sherry wearing a very specific ring,
his mom's custom made diamond ring. Then he saw his

(05:52):
dad kiss her. When his dad noticed that he saw that,
John begged him, quote I need you to do me
a favor. Don't tell mommy about Sherry. But Collier told her,
and that was it. Noreen had had enough. She was
furious not just about the cheated but about him dragging
her son into it. On November seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine,

(06:14):
she filed for divorce, citing quote extreme mental cruelty and
gross neglect. The divorce was messy. The divorce proceedings focused
mainly on financial negotiations. Then at one point in late November,
Noreene turned to her son and told him, quote Collier,
I want you to know that if anything happens to me,

(06:36):
your father had me killed. Even through all of this,
John persuaded Noreen to give their marriage another try. And
I mean, her main thing is she doesn't want her
children to grow up in a broken home. Cell she
gave it another try. He told her that they could
have a fresh start in a new home, and on
November thirteenth, nineteen eighty nine, he bought this gigantic new

(06:57):
home in Eerie, PA and told her that he was
going to move his medical practice over there. He told
the realtor that he wanted to start living there by
January first, nineteen ninety, with no exception. On December fourth,
nineteen eighty nine, John asked the realtor, quote, what soil
is under the basement floor? He told them that he

(07:17):
wanted to lower it so that he and Collier could
play basketball, which Collier just looked at his father because
what basketball? He said, him and his dad never played basketball.
But of course, you know you don't say that in
front of the adults. So he was just like, okay, basketball, Yeah, okay, dad.
Then on December twenty ninth, just two days before Noreene's disappearance,

(07:42):
John rented an electric jackhammer to supposedly break up ice
on his property. Quote, he got it for the ice
on the brick sidewalk of his local home because he
was afraid his wife and children would slip and fall. Now,
how many people have you ever known, or ever met,
or ever heard of, and for the people who are

(08:02):
not in states or countries or whatever with ice, but
you've read books about snow and ice. How many books
have you read where you heard that somebody needed a
jack hammer to break up ice on their property after
Noreene's disappearance, kept saying that she'd gone on a trip.
Collier said, quote, I knew right then that he had

(08:24):
done something to her, but that quote they didn't believe me.
It wasn't until Captain Dave Mesmore came on the scene.
He took me seriously. That's how we launched this whole investigation.
Mansfield Police Lieutenant David Mesmore took Collier seriously from the start.
He said Collier was like a quote miniature adult and

(08:46):
remembered quote how adamant that there was something really wrong.
Collier started secretly helping Lieutenant Mesmore, feeding him details whenever
he could, including through secret meetings at Collier's elementary school,
where with the principal's permission, they would talk in empty classrooms.
One of the biggest pieces he found were some pictures

(09:07):
in his dad's truck of John with a visibly pregnant
Sherry Campbell inside the Erie home. The picture didn't just
look like they were, you know, together as friends. You
know how you're in a picture taking pictures with your
friends or coworkers or something. That's not what it looked like.
It looked like two people who were together together and
that they had moved into the Erie home and they

(09:29):
were already living there. That's what the picture looked like.
Investigators started tracking John's purchase. They found that he had
bought c and they found the rental of the jackhammer.
They were also able to trace chunks of concrete debris
from the Erie House to a property belonging to Sherry's uncle,
Mark Davis. On January eighth, John had a contractor installed

(09:53):
shelving in the basement, where the contractor even told police
that the basement windows were why open at the time,
which to him, he said, was kind of weird since
it was freezing cold outside. On January twenty fifth, nineteen
ninety three, weeks after Noreene vanished, investigators finally executed a

(10:14):
search warrant on the Eerie home. This final push forgetting
a search warrant came when Collier contacted Detective Mesmore saying
that John had suggested he and Collier take a trip
to Florida. This terrified the little boy, who thought, quote,
he's onto me, he knows something's up, he knows I've

(10:35):
been talking to people, and he thought that he quote
might not make it back alive. This is why Detective
Mesmore moved faster. During the search, they found a section
of fresh concrete beneath newly laid green carpet under some shelvin.
They pulled this up and started digging. Investigators brought in

(10:56):
the jackhammer to break through the concrete patch, which measured
approximately thirty six inches by seventy six inches. About three
hours later, they found Norene's body wrapped in a blue
tarp secured with duct tape, with a plastic shopping bag
tied over her head. She had on her rolex with

(11:18):
her initials on it, which was a gift from John
several years ago, along with the watch. Investigators found Noreene
still wearing her pink nightgown. Investigators noticed that her watch
had stopped ticking on December thirty first, confirming the time
of her death. The Allegheny County Coroner, doctor Michael Sobel,
used dental records to officially identify the body as Noreene Boile.

(11:42):
The autopsy report listed that forty four year old Noreene
had died from quote blunt force trauma and suffocation. Asphyxiation
was caused by the plastic bag secured around her head
with duct tape. How horrible. Forensic evidence suggested Noreene had
been struck with a hammer or similar object before being suffocated.

(12:07):
The plastic bag, blue tarp, and duct tape were all
traced back to supplies available at John's medical office. Forty
six year old John was arrested and charged with aggravated
murder and abuse of a corpse. He was held on
a five million dollar bond because the prosecution feared that

(12:28):
he would flee. On June fourth, nineteen ninety, his trial
started and lasted approximately four weeks. This trial, at the
time was called the quote crime of the century. Every
day the courtroom was packed with overflowing crowds watching it
on TV in the lobby. So there were so many

(12:48):
people in the courtroom that the courts had to put
up TV. They specifically, it's not like they had TVs
there before, They specifically had to put up TVs for
everybody to be able to watch this trial. The prosecution,
led by prosecutor James Mayer Junior, argued that John's actions
were quote meticulously contrived. He described John as a quote

(13:12):
healer by day, killer by night, and called him quote
diabolical and probably the biggest liar I've ever seen. That's
the other thing he called him. The case was built
on circumstantial evidence, but there was a mountain of it.
So according to US law, in some other countries law,

(13:33):
the amount of circumstantial evidence there is makes the court
feel like it's an open and shutcase, like it's very factual,
even if you don't have physical evidence in front of you.
So they brought forth some of this circumstantial evidence, like
the rental of the jackhammer, the purchase of the concrete,
and the green carpet. These were all bought just days

(13:55):
before Noreen's murder. Police testified that John bought the house
in with a plan to kill his wife, bury her
in the basement, and quote walk on her for the
rest of his life. They also discussed how Noreene's identity
was confirmed, about the rolecks on her wrist, and the
fact that there was no sign of forced entry, and

(14:16):
they brought this up to negate a claim that someone
had broken in and done this. They pointed out John's
own lies about his background and his military history. This
was to show that, you know, John's credibility couldn't be trusted.
Then the prosecution brought forth evidence of John's dealings with Sherry.
He'd planned a New Year's roast with her, kind of

(14:40):
like he knew Noreen wouldn't be around. Wow. Bold. Wow.
They brought to the court that when John went to
purchase his Erie home. Oh, I thought that was bold.
When he went to purchase his Erie home, he brought
Sherry with him and, as if that wasn't bad enough,

(15:00):
introduced her as his wife, even calling her Sherry Boyle.
Remember her name was Sherry Campbell. It just keeps getting
bolder and bolder, and worse and worse. She even co
signed the mortgage. On November thirteenth, nineteen eighty nine, they
signed a contract for a two hundred and ninety nine
thousand dollars home in Erie, PA. The purchase was completed

(15:23):
on December fifteenth. As we all know, we've gone through
this before, but now we're seeing it in a new light.
So the purchase along with Sherry, was completed on December fifteenth,
just two weeks before Noreen vanished. Sherry forged Noreen's signature
on the document as n Sherry Boyle. Oh my god,

(15:44):
how many people are in on this. I thought it
was just bold with him planning a new year's roast.
But Dude, then a collier at just twelve years old,
took the stand and became the prosecution's most powerful witness.
He calmly and articulately described hearing the scream and thuds
on that night. He talked about his father's suspicious demeanor change,

(16:07):
saying that he suddenly flipped from cold and distance to
Daddy perfect overnight. Quote he was acting like Daddy dares
and Daddy perfect and so nice and stuff like that.
He talked about the verbal abuse, the lies, the fear
inflicted on him and his mother by John. He also
said that his mom had given him the names and
phone numbers of her friends, telling him, quote, if your

(16:31):
father happens to say that I might have left, call
all my friends and have them contact the police and
have them investigate how I disappeared. That's when he put
this inside of his stuffed garfield. And he told the
jury that if they let his father walk, his father
would kill him in revenge. And finally, he ended in
saying that he knew he had to take every opportunity

(16:52):
to move forth and do what he did to find
his mom. Quote, I knew I was risking my life.
I knew my father was dangerous and that he was violent,
but I didn't care. I was going to find out
what happened to my mother. It also came out that
Noreen's last recorded statement was as she was speaking with
a friend of hers December thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine, where

(17:13):
she told that friend, quote, well, it looks like John
isn't going to murder me tonight his mother's staying over.
Prosecutors ended saying that based on all this evidence, John
was quote secretly plotting to get rid of Noreen so
he can marry his pregnant, twenty six year old mistress
and install her at the eerie resident Now, the defense,

(17:34):
John's attorneys, Robert Whitney and Charles Robinson, was stuck with
a client they called quote difficult, claimed he was quote
always right, he wouldn't take a plea deal, and he
stuck to his story. Some random car showed up, Noreen
walked outside and just vanished to wish then I would
be like, well, how did the body get there, to

(17:55):
which he answered he quote didn't know how the body
got in the basement. The defense claimed that quote someone
else must have murdered her, broke into the home, tore
out the basement, carpet in and shelves, broke the cement floor,
dug the grave and buried Noreen. Cemented over the hole,
replaced the carpet and shelved, and removed a debris What

(18:20):
I mean what that that was his? He paid someone
to Moving on the defense, I guess, not really having
a defense, floated around some wild theories. They said that
she was involved in a baby selling ring, smuggled international

(18:41):
gold jewelry, had multiple What the frick are these people doing?
I mean, I know I talk about the defense all
the time, but damn anyways, had multiple affairs, and was
planning to torch the eerie mansion out of jealousy. So
basically everything outside of her known personality. She was just
about to do some unknowne stuff baby selling ring, and

(19:06):
they were just grasping, oh maybe she was selling babies.
Oh no, no, no, maybe hear me out here. She was
smuggling international gold jewelry. I think she had multiple affears
and finally, your honor, she after doing all of that,
because you know, she's a huge everything else, I guess,
but out of jealousy, she decided to torch the eerie mansion,

(19:30):
just say that you don't have a defense. Just it
would have just been better for you to go up
there and say your honor. I don't know, I don't
even know what to say. A defense, rest your honor
like that would have been better than all this word
vomit you just in front of national TV, in front
of a court. What am I the only one who's

(19:55):
baffled here? Let me know in the comments, because what
John's brother been testified that he'd seen Noreen alive at
Duel's airport after her disappearance. He said she was carrying
a gun and somehow involved in a child abduction ring,
so he was going along with that shit too. And
I'm sorry, I'm gonna pause here real quick. If this

(20:17):
were my brother, I'm not gonna sit up there like
a fool and lie if I wasn't sure, because you know,
it's circumstantial evidence. Let's just be honest. Then the best
thing I could do for myself is to shut the
f up. Just there's such a thing as shutting the
f up. This is a sentiment like many people haven't

(20:38):
grasped to this day. But maybe you should take a
class and shutting the f up. Everything doesn't require for
you to talk. I can't believe his brother went out,
Oh yeah, yo, yeah. I saw her at the at
the airport and she had a gun, and I think
when she had that gun, that spelled child abduction ring
to me, because you know, anytime I see a person

(20:59):
with a gun, child abductionary. What the again is it?
Just me? Let me know in the comments. Then when
all that, I don't mean to laugh, but this is
so stupid. I'm laughing because it's just like, how did
you just let this continue on in court? Then, when
all that didn't work, the defense tried to say that

(21:21):
the body in the basement wasn't Noreene, and they based
this on a misreported eye color in the coroner's report.
You see, your honor, she had blue eyes, and the
report right here said she had brown eyes. So even
though she was wearing to watch, even though the watch
literally had her initials on it, even though they did

(21:41):
dental record tests and everything like that, the eye color,
Because your Honor, we all know here that medical examiners,
when they type stuff, they cannot make a mistake. So this,
your honor, is proof that that body in the basement
was not Noreene, I rest my case. So they requested

(22:02):
to have the body independently examined, but the judge said no,
go sit down and shut up. The court said that
he had quote ample opportunity at trial to mount such
an attack during cross examination of the coroner. So when
the coroner was up there and he was cross examining him,
they didn't even say anything about the eye color anything.

(22:24):
This was just something they pulled out there behinds later. Now,
John eventually took the stand himself. He testified get this
Lambs for nine hours across two days, just wasting time.
He denied everything, stuck to his story and claimed that

(22:46):
Noreen left in that mystery car after an argument where
she had quote thrown a pile of credit cards at him.
So apparently she left in that mystery card threw all
her money at him, and then buried herself in the basement.
That that's I guess that's his logic. I don't know. Finally,
the trial was over and it was time for deliberation.

(23:08):
After only six hours of deliberations, on June twenty ninth,
nineteen ninety, the jury found John guilty and convicted him
of aggravated murder and felony abuse of a corpse. He
was then sentenced to quote life imprisonment for the murder
with no possibility of parole for twenty years to run
consecutively to an eighteen month term for abuse of a corpse.

(23:32):
His total sentence was twenty one and a half years
to life. On July sixth, nineteen ninety, he was admitted
to the Ohio prison system and also stripped of his
medical license. Wow, they let him keep his license that long.
I mean, I know he probably wasn't practicing, but they
let him. I guess they were waiting for, you know,
a guilty verdict or whatever, because he could have come

(23:54):
back innocent, then he could have kept his license. So okay,
I see now, John didn't take this sitting down. As
we can see from the wild defense that went on,
he wasn't going to take this sitting down. He has
consistently tried to overturn his conviction and be released. After
the trial, his team tried to argue that the prosecutor

(24:15):
engaged in misconduct by introducing improper character evidence from seven
witnesses improperly vouching for Collier's credibility. They can't vouch for
Collier's credibility, Okay, I mean I guess legally, yeah, and
calling John a quote liar and a thief in front
of the jury. They also claimed ineffective assistance of counsel,

(24:38):
saying that John's lawyers didn't fight hard enough for him,
that the lawyers didn't object when they should have, and
they let things slide. I mean, it seems like they
had to have a lot of objections thrown at them,
so I don't really think they were paying attention to
the prosecution. And also, my argument would have been that
my defense was complete shite, just complete utter. Did you

(25:03):
hear what those lawyers said? That was what they claimed
My defense was, yes, shite. They said that the team
had a generally passive defense, they had a generally past
defense actually, but that was because, in my opinion, they
didn't have a defense. There was no defense to be had,
like she left in a car, but somehow ended up

(25:24):
under the concrete in his new house, Like what can
you say to that? But I guess they said somebody
else did it. Oh my godness, Oh my god. I
can't believe that the courts did acknowledge that some of
prosecutor's Mayor's behaviors was quote unprofessional at best, and that
the defense could have done more. They called their performance

(25:46):
quote deficient. But in the end none of that actually mattered.
The court ruled these errors harmless, giving the quote overwhelming
evidence of John's guilt. In June nineteen nine, ninety four,
John filed the habs Corpus appeal, claiming that there wasn't
enough evidence to convict him and that there were errors

(26:08):
during the trial. This was denied, and they again said
that the evidence of his guilt was quote overwhelming stop
asking us, But John said nope. In nineteen ninety five,
trying to push this theory that the body found in
the basement wasn't actually Nourenes, John forced the courts to
exhume her remains. DNA testing was done and turns out

(26:34):
that the body was Nourenes. That finally shut that down
about the eye color being wrong on the coroner's report, which,
as we well know, was just a human error, not
a whole police forces conspiracy. Even after all of that,
John still kept filing motions he wanted more jail time credit,

(26:55):
he claimed procedural missteps and sentenced in anything to chip
away at his judgment. But none of it worked. Every
attempt was denied and the court stood by the original
conviction every time, and yet he can't run in his mouth.
For decades, John publicly denied killin Mariene. He stuck to
his story that she walked out one night and never

(27:16):
came back, except she did come back because she was
under the concrete in your basement. John's also tried for
parole multiple times. His first herring was in twenty ten
and was denied. The board said release in him would
undermine justice and diminish the horror of what he did.
His second attempt came in twenty twenty, and he was

(27:38):
denied again. That time the board cided quote extreme brutality, callousness,
extended victimization, and said letting him out would be a
threat to public safety. And I completely agree with this,
this extended victimization, like get your in prison every evidence
pointed to you doing like stop, just stop now. While

(28:02):
John's doing all of this and eating through his kid's
money because remember, somebody has to pay for the lawyers,
and instead of just letting the kids live on the
money getting therapy because their whole lives have been frickin' ruined,
he's just eating through the money, saying that, oh no,
she drove away in a car, but I don't know
how she got under my floor in my basement. Remember,

(28:23):
he has three kids now, so anyway he's doing all
of this, Let's turn to the kids. Collier's life was
never the same after his mother's murder. He legally changed
his last name to Landry and was left to navigate
life alone. He wasn't just grieving his mother. He was
basically an orphan. His younger sister, Elizabeth, was adopted by

(28:46):
another family, but because Collier was a tween boy, he
wasn't exactly considered what they would say, quote a hot
commodity into foster system. Both sides of his family rejected him.
His mother's side this since themselves because he looked too
much like his father, and his father's side turned their
backs on him because he had testified against John. Actually,

(29:09):
when his grandmother, Christine figured out that he was the
one to call police, she'd admonished him for doing so,
and during the investigation she tried to help John stop
the police from talking to Collier. I don't understand how
any of this makes sense, especially for the mother's side.
You distance yourself from your family member's offspring because he

(29:35):
looked too much like his father, And how is that
his fault? What his face looks like? So you helped
in the trauma. You helped in the trauma because he
looked like his father. And looking at the pictures, if
you want to see the pictures, go to the patreon
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(29:58):
a three dollars tare. But if you see the picture,
he looks exactly like his father, but your mind can
differentiate that. You can see this his Collier and he's
not his father, and then this is John and he's
John like So you would just stop talking to your

(30:18):
relative's offspring because of something they had no control over.
Radio righty f and O. Now my other question is
would the grandmother be considered an accessory or something? The
grandmother and Sherry, would they be considered an accessory? But
then again with Sherry, that doesn't necessarily mean she knew

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what he was gonna do, or even know or even
after it was done, knew that he did that. She
could have just thought, you know, he was she known
his wife and buying her a house, and here you
gotta sign under her name, so no questions asked. Maybe
that's what she thought. So what about the grandmother though,
because the grandmother didn't want the police, So to me,
the grandmother knew something was going on, So would she

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be considered an accessory? But I didn't hear anything else
of her, But that's just weird. After bouncing around briefly
in foster care, including a short stay with the Mesmore family,
remember Lieutenant Messmore, he was eventually adopted by a kind couple,
the Zigglers, who gave him a real home and extended family.

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But the damage had already run deep. Being the child
of both a murderer and a murder victim left Collier
with a fractured sense of identity. At school, he was
bullied because like why why would they both? Uh? Okay,
and he also had a constant sense of just being
the quote boil kid. He later studied vocal performance at

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Ohio University, then packed up and moved two thousand miles
to Los Angeles to become a freelance cinematographer sleep because
there was a place where nobody knew his story. Even
with all that trauma, Collier chose to face his past
head on instead of hiding from it. He used his
voice to heal, to grow, and to help others do

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the same. In twenty seventeen, he released a documentary called
A Murder in Mansfield and it aired on ID Network
in twenty eighteen. This included a face to face meeting
with his father in prison. John, as expected, stuck to
his story, but in that room, in front of the cameras,

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Collier met him with a quote surprisingly genuine on camera hug. Then,
in twenty twenty five, Collier started a podcast produced by
Sony Music Entertainment called Finding Mom's Killer. While making the podcast,
he reconnected with his father again after not talking to
him for nearly a decade. The two now speak frequently

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by phone, but have not met in person since he
last visited prison in twenty fifteen, and this was when
he was making a documentary, so it came out later on,
but he was making it in twenty fifteen. This recent
conversation was a mixed ranging from everything from John's love
of the Philly Eagles and their last Super Bowl run,
to his parole plans, to Collier trying to explain how

(33:16):
text messages work. But underneath all that surface talk, Collier says,
one question still haunts him. What made his father snap?
Quote you had everything, a family, a thrive in business.
You eft everything up. Why for what? You caused so
much reciprocal damage to so many people, not just me,

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not just my mother, not just you. There were so
many ancillary characters, so much collateral damage from his violence.
Then out of nowhere, John admitted to killing Noreen, but
he claimed there was an accident. Quote. Noreen's death will

(34:02):
always remain a tragedy, and I'm the one responsible for that,
accidental or otherwise. He said that during an argument, Noreen
came at him with a knife. He pushed her, she fell,
hit her head on the stool, and died. According to him,
he panicked, put a plastic bag over her head because
he felt guilty, loaded her body into the car, drove

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it to eerie. Quote. I dragged it over and put
it in a hole, thinking it's going to disappear on
its own. Thinking if I covered it up, it would
never be discovered and I would never have to see
it again or think about it. That's was his story.
So number one, you're still not taking accountability number two,
you still came up with a wild story. Noreen just

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randomly came at you with a knife. You pushed her,
and she happened to hit her head on a stool
and died. And then you panicked. But you're a doctor,
and so it in your panic and in your supposed guilt,
you put a plastic bag over her head. How does
any of this make sense so far? And then you

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loaded her body in the car and drove it to Eerie,
and then dug a hole and put her in it,
and that solved your guilt. And listen to how he's
talking about it. Listen to how he's talking about the body.
He didn't say Noreen, He didn't say my wife. He
said I dragged it over and put it in a hole,

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thinking it's going to disappear on his old thinking if
I covered it up, it would never be discovered and
I would never have to see it or think about it.
Do you hear that speech? Lieutenant Mesmore didn't believe one
word of what John said, just like Kay doesn't believe it.

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He pointed out that this man was a doctor, same
thing I said. If it were really an accident, he
would have tried to help her exactly. He didn't. Instead,
he did all this, well, he claimed to have done
all this crazy crap because he was supposedly, you know,
scared and guilty, and is like, that doesn't that doesn't

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make sense. So he did all this and then he
buried her, Like how does that? What are you talking about?
And Collier doesn't believe it was an accident either. But
when it comes to his father's possible release for prison,
he has mixed emotions. He asks, where would John even live?
How would an eighty two year old man who hasn't

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touched a smartphone or opened a laptop in decades adjust
to a world that's entirely digital? Now, who's even going
to hire a convicted murderer pushing eighty three? Quote it's
hard enough for anybody to get a job these days,
let alone a convicted felon who's going to be eighty
two years old. John half joked that he could live
in Collier's garage, and Collier immediately shut that shit down.

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He was like, no, But even with all of this,
he doesn't hate his father, and he's not entirely against
his parole either. Quote, it's a lot for me to
think about. I'm still trying to keep my own head
above water. I'm still dealing with the lingering effects of
this trauma and everything I've been through. What makes sense,
what doesn't, what's fair? There are so many different nuances

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with all of this. Sometimes Collier wonders what life might
have looked like if his mom had lived, if he'd
grown up with two parents who were normal, loving, safe. Quote.
My favorite quality about myself is I'm a genuinely nice
and kind person. I'm just grateful that this tragedy didn't
rob me of those things. As for podcasts talking about

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his mom's case, he doesn't listen to them. He said,
it's just too much, too many dark memories he's spent
years trying to keep from swallowing him whole. John is
now eighty one years old. His next parole herring is
set for October first, twenty twenty five, and as of
those closest to the case are concerned, he doesn't deserve

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another day of freedom. Lieutenant Mesmore said, quote, I'd like
to see him stay in prison for the rest of
his life. He's got no business being out here. And
that is the case of how Noreen Boyle was murdered
by her husband, John F. Boyle Junior. What did you

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think about this episode? I am still stuck on the defense.
I am still stuck. I know, I harp on defenses
all the time, and I always say, like, if I
knew this person was guilty, my defense would be shit.
And I this defense. Look, they took me literally and

(38:46):
they just came in with crap. They were like, we
know this guy's guilty, but we got to say a
bunch of stuff, So we'll just say a bunch of stuff.
I still can't get over that defense. And you know,
for years you stuck to the story if she just
drove away, and then finally on your son's podcast, you
finally said you killed her, but it was an accident.
And then the most asinine explanation on top of that.

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So in all these years, you've been in prison, all
these years, and yes, Dale not taking accountability. So what
did you learn? Where's the rehabilitation? You know what I'm saying.
I guess he got one step closer to acceptance by
saying he did kill her, but then took ten steps

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back by saying it was an accident and making up
another story. Anyways, y'all, let me know your thoughts in
the comments below. I cannot wait to hear what y'all
have to say about this one. I do commend Colier
with how he's dealing with all of it, and if
you want to hear part of his podcast, I do
have the link to that in the Patreon as part

(39:56):
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(40:18):
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